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    Failure

    enDecember 13, 2023
    What lesson did Katie Dill learn at Airbnb?
    How did Paul Adams view failure in product leadership?
    What key takeaway is emphasized about failure?
    What challenges did Lenny face on her journey?
    How can failure foster growth and innovation?

    Podcast Summary

    • Embracing Failure: Lessons from Top Companies and LeadersFailure is an opportunity for growth. Building trust and effective communication are crucial in navigating through difficult moments and learning from them.

      Failure can be a valuable learning experience, even for the best companies and leaders. This podcast episode dives into the topic of failure and highlights insightful stories, such as Katie Dill's experience at Airbnb. As head of design, Katie faced a rebellion from the design team shortly after joining. Through this difficult moment, she learned that she had not earned their trust and had failed to bring the team along with her. This emphasizes the importance of building trust and effectively communicating with your team. Failure can provide valuable insights and opportunities for growth, and it's essential to listen, learn, and adapt from these experiences.

    • The Power of Trust and AdaptationBuilding trust and involving team members in the process of change leads to better outcomes, while adapting, moving on, and learning from setbacks are key to overcoming challenges.

      Building trust is crucial when making changes within a team or organization. Lenny learned that by actively listening to his team members and understanding their motivations, he was able to bring them along on the journey of change. Inflicting change on people may not yield the desired positive impact, but involving them and gaining their trust can lead to better outcomes. Similarly, Paul's experience of freezing on stage and walking off in front of thousands of people teaches us that even in the face of the worst nightmare scenario, things can turn out okay. It's important to adapt, move on, and learn from our experiences, knowing that these setbacks are not insurmountable.

    • Fear and Failure: Lessons from Google and FacebookOvercoming fear and leading with genuine intentions is crucial for creating successful innovations; understanding users' struggles and focusing on creating something wonderful is key to avoiding failure.

      Fear can hinder innovation and success. Paul Adams discusses his experiences at Google and Facebook, highlighting the failures of social projects like Google Buzz and Google+. He reflects that these projects were motivated by fear rather than a genuine desire to create a great product for users. Adams learned firsthand how not to lead in such environments and emphasizes the importance of understanding users' struggles and creating something wonderful. He also highlights the positive aspects of his time at Google, such as the development of products like Google Maps and Android. Ultimately, Adams's decision to leave Google and join Facebook was driven by a desire to work on projects founded on good intentions.

    • Embracing failure for growth and innovationFailure offers valuable learning experiences and should be seen as an opportunity for growth instead of something to fear.

      Failure and taking risks are important aspects of growth and innovation. Paul Adams, a former Google employee, emphasized the importance of embracing failure as a product leader and how it leads to learning and improvement. He shared his own experiences of failure and highlighted the value of making big bets, even if they don't always succeed. At Intercom, the company he joined, they foster a culture of shipping fast, early, and often, acknowledging that mistakes will be made along the way. However, there is a tension between high standards and the need to learn from failure. Similarly, Tom Conrad, who worked at notable product failures like Pets.com and Quibi, also stressed the importance of learning from these experiences and carrying those lessons forward. The key takeaway is that failure is an opportunity for growth and should be embraced rather than feared.

    • Lessons from Failed Ventures and Personal GrowthFailure can be a valuable catalyst for personal and professional growth, teaching us the importance of timing, context, and prudent decision-making in business endeavors.

      Experiences, even in failed ventures, can lead to personal and professional growth. Lenny reflects on how working at different companies opened doors for him and provided valuable lessons. He highlights the importance of timing and context, using the example of Pets.com and Chewy. Pets.com struggled due to early market conditions, but Chewy thrived by executing well and growing their business over time. Another lesson learned is that excessive investment can become a burden and lead to unwise decisions. Tom Conrad shares how his team made the difficult choice to wind down Pets.com instead of bankrupting it, returning the remaining balance to investors. Ultimately, these experiences and lessons shaped their perspectives, even in the face of failure.

    • Success through solving problems beautifully.Understanding people's needs and delivering a solution that stands out can lead to success, even after initially declining an opportunity. Building a team and focusing on exceptional execution can generate positive word-of-mouth.

      Focusing on creating a product that solves a specific problem in a beautiful, elegant, and delightful way can lead to success. Tom Conrad's experience with Quibi taught him the importance of understanding what people care about and offering a solution that outshines competitors. While he initially declined the opportunity to work on Quibi, he eventually realized the potential and fell in love with the industry once again. Building a team from scratch and designing a product from the ground up allowed him to harness the advancements in software architecture and embrace the rewarding process of bringing something new to the market. Despite stumbling along the way, the key lesson was that addressing a significant problem with exceptional execution can generate positive word-of-mouth and drive success.

    • The importance of a solid foundational equation in company successLearning from failure and avoiding repeating mistakes is crucial for companies to succeed.

      Companies are like math problems, with investments being poured into the equation to produce returns. The success of a company is not solely dependent on the product or its execution, but also on the foundational equation itself. Quibi, for example, made a bet on building a bespoke content library, but the equation was fundamentally broken. The content was supposed to be made in professional studios, but due to Covid, it had to be produced in garages, resembling YouTube content. The library of content needed to be much bigger, and the risk-reward profile of investing more was too high. It is important to fail conclusively and learn from the failure to avoid repeating the same mistakes.

    • Maximizing treatment effect and exploring all tactics to test hypotheses in B2B settings with limited touch points for conclusive results.By maximizing strategies and evaluating potential levers, experiment results can determine if a hypothesis holds true, leading to further optimization and impact on desired outcomes.

      When conducting experiments, it's important to maximize the treatment effect and explore all possible tactics and resources to test a hypothesis. In B2B settings with limited touch points compared to consumer-focused companies like Facebook, it may take longer to gather conclusive results. By throwing all possible strategies at the experiment, it becomes easier to determine if the hypothesis holds true. If it doesn't work, it's not worth investing more time and resources. However, if it does work, further optimization can be done by testing different tactics or narrowing down the approach. This approach applies not only to broad experiments like account-based marketing but also to smaller modifications like email tweaks. It's essential to evaluate all the potential levers that could impact the desired outcome.

    • The importance of empathy and customer-centricity in product managementPrioritize understanding user needs and pain points, and align proposed solutions with the company's strategic strengths for successful product development.

      New product managers often make the mistake of getting too attached to a solution before understanding the actual problems faced by users. Instead of focusing on their vision and desired implementation, it is important to first empathize with users and truly comprehend their needs and pain points. This mindset shift allows for a more customer-centric approach to product development. Additionally, it is crucial to assess the company's strategic strengths and consider whether the proposed solution aligns with those strengths. In the case of Airbnb's "Airbnb Plus" concept, the company should have prioritized improving the representation of homes and addressing the trust issues rather than attempting to compete with managed marketplaces, which was not within their operational expertise.

    • The importance of unit economics and targeted solutions for business success.Understanding unit economics, tailoring solutions, and embracing learning moments are essential for cost savings and better user service in business.

      Understanding unit economics is crucial for the success of a business. It is not enough to have magical thinking about future scalability and profitability. Instead, unit economics should be carefully considered from the beginning. This includes ensuring that the costs and resources invested in the business are economical and sustainable. Additionally, it is important to deeply understand the user problem and tailor solutions accordingly. For example, instead of costly property inspections, Airbnb could focus on guest reviews to gauge the quality of listings. By identifying specific problems and finding targeted solutions, businesses can save costs and better serve their users. Finally, it is essential to recognize that behind every impressive A side, there are often overlooked B moments that shape our lives and careers. Embracing these moments and learning from them is just as important as celebrating success.

    • Overcoming setbacks and seizing opportunities for success.Setbacks are not defining moments, but opportunities to learn, adapt, and create your own path towards success.

      Success is not always a straightforward path. Lenny's journey involved setbacks, rejections, and unexpected challenges. She faced rejections from top schools, dropped out of college due to depression, and experienced multiple layoffs. However, she didn't let these setbacks define her. Instead, she focused on learning and being adaptable. Lenny recognized the importance of storytelling and understanding what others perceive as valuable. She took opportunities that others may have overlooked, like the internship at a tier B/C digital marketing agency. Lenny's determination and willingness to figure things out led her to success. She started her own agency and eventually worked with well-known companies like Duolingo. Lenny's story reminds us that setbacks are not the end, but rather an opportunity for growth and resilience.

    • Embrace the Journey: Time, Resilience, and PerseveranceSuccess is a gradual process, so make the most of the time you have by staying resilient, believing in yourself, and embracing the valuable lessons that come from exploring different paths and overcoming setbacks.

      Our careers are longer than we think, and we have plenty of time to explore different paths and make mistakes along the way. Often, we underestimate the opportunities that lie ahead and waste time instead of utilizing it effectively. It's important to stay resilient, believe in ourselves, and keep trying even when faced with setbacks. Lenny and Gina's experiences highlight the importance of perseverance and the fact that success takes time. They both had multiple career changes and faced failures, but each experience was valuable in shaping their journey. So, don't stress if things aren't moving as fast as you want, because there's ample time to learn, grow, and find your path.

    • The Power of Lean Experimentation in Driving GrowthConducting lean experiments and constantly testing and iterating is crucial for identifying valuable growth opportunities and driving success in business.

      Conducting lean and simple experiments can help identify valuable opportunities for growth. Initially, the team at Duolingo made the mistake of not prioritizing lower hanging fruit and instead focused on a complex badge system that didn't yield any significant results. However, they learned from this experience and realized the importance of dogfooding - that is, testing their own experiments. By implementing dogfooding as part of their practice, they were able to identify the flaws in their badge system early on and make necessary improvements. This ultimately led to tremendous growth and opened up a treasure trove of opportunities for the company. The takeaway here is to not overlook the power of lean experimentation and constantly testing and iterating to drive success.

    • Embracing Product Failure: Essential for Growth and Learning in Product Management.Mistakes and failure are vital for a product manager's development. Learning from and acknowledging bad products is necessary to avoid repetitive mistakes and become successful in the field.

      Making mistakes and experiencing product failure is an important part of growth and learning for product managers. Maggie emphasizes the significance of shipping a bad product and being able to acknowledge and learn from it. She believes that it's necessary to have enough experience and repetitions in order to become a successful product manager. She shares a story of a project that went terribly wrong due to arrogance, lack of proper research, and skipping important steps like discovery and writing a one pager. She advises against rewriting or redesigning a product and warns about the negative consequences it can have on the business. Ultimately, she highlights the importance of learning from failures and avoiding repeating the same mistakes in the future.

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    The things engineers are desperate for PMs to understand | Camille Fournier (author of “The Manager’s Path,” ex-CTO at Rent the Runway)

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    • What product managers do that annoys engineers

    • Why major rewrites are a trap

    • Why you should have fewer one-on-ones

    • Strategies for organizing and working with platform teams

    • Tips for new managers

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    • Website: https://skamille.medium.com/

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    • LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/lennyrachitsky/

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    (14:21) Rewriting systems: a big trap?

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    (45:27) Building a balanced work culture

    (48:01) Effective time management strategies

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    (01:04:43) When to form a platform team

    (01:07:02) Thriving on a platform team

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    (01:17:03) Lightning round and final thoughts

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    Platform Engineering: A Guide for Technical, Product, and People Leaders: https://www.amazon.com/Platform-Engineering-Technical-Product-Leaders/dp/1098153642/

    The Manager’s Path: A Guide for Tech Leaders Navigating Growth and Change: https://www.amazon.com/Managers-Path-Leaders-Navigating-Growth/dp/1491973897

    97 Things Every Engineering Manager Should Know: Collective Wisdom from the Experts: https://www.amazon.com/Things-Every-Engineering-Manager-Should/dp/1492050903

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    Alien: Romulus: https://www.imdb.com/title/tt18412256/

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    Land your dream job in today’s market: negotiation tactics, job search councils, and more | Phyl Terry (Author, “Never Search Alone”)

    Land your dream job in today’s market: negotiation tactics, job search councils, and more | Phyl Terry (Author, “Never Search Alone”)

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    • Why you should never search for a job alone

    • How job search councils work

    • How to determine your “candidate-market fit”

    • How to conduct a listening tour

    • Creating your job mission and OKRs

    • How to negotiate job offers

    • The art of asking for help

    • Tactics for effective networking and interviewing

    • Much more

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    • LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/phylterry/

    • Website: https://www.phyl.org/

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    (04:27) The power of community in job searching

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    (12:27) The impact of job search councils

    (20:19) The concept of candidate-market fit

    (22:50) Writing a Mnookin two-pager

    (24:37) Conducting listening tours

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    Find the transcript and show notes at: https://www.lennysnewsletter.com/p/how-to-consistently-go-viral-nikita-bier

    Where to find Nikita Bier:

    • X: https://x.com/nikitabier 

    • Threads: https://www.threads.net/@nikitabier

    • Website: https://intro.co/NikitaBier

    Where to find Lenny:

    • Newsletter: https://www.lennysnewsletter.com

    • X: https://twitter.com/lennysan

    • LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/lennyrachitsky/

    In this episode, we cover:

    (00:00) Nikita’s background 

    (06:08) Nikita’s early ventures: Politify and Outline

    (08:42) Transition to consumer apps

    (13:45) The birth of TBH

    (16:43) Building for teens vs. adults

    (20:00) TBH’s viral success

    (32:18) Leveraging live chat

    (34:08) Lasting lessons from TBH

    (37:00) Selling TBH to Facebook

    (42:19) Big-tech product management

    (48:46) Nikita on why “product management is not real”

    (51:49) The Tim Cook painting story

    (53:53) Leaving Facebook and starting a new venture

    (58:02) Rebuilding TBH and overcoming challenges

    (59:46) Addressing criticism

    (01:04:24) The human trafficking hoax

    (01:09:51) Selling to Discord and lessons learned

    (01:11:36) Lasting lessons from Gas

    (01:13:14) Building durable consumer apps

    (01:22:35) The VC route

    (01:23:27) Contact permissions in iOS 18

    (01:26:53) The success of Dupe

    (01:31:53) Advice for startup founders

    (01:34:14) Work with Nikita

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    Succeeding as an introvert, building zero-to-one, and why you should PM your career like you PM your product | Deb Liu (CEO of Ancestry, ex-Facebook, PayPal, eBay)

    Succeeding as an introvert, building zero-to-one, and why you should PM your career like you PM your product | Deb Liu (CEO of Ancestry, ex-Facebook, PayPal, eBay)

    Deb Liu is the CEO of Ancestry and former longtime VP of Product at Facebook. At Facebook, Deb led the creation of Facebook Marketplace, developed the first mobile ad product for apps, built the company’s games business, and launched Facebook Pay. She’s also held leadership roles at PayPal and eBay, serves on the board of Intuit, and is the author of Take Back Your Power. In our conversation, we discuss:

    • Why you should PM your career like you PM your product

    • Strategies for incubating new products within large companies

    • Creating a successful 30-60-90-day plan when starting a new job

    • The pitfalls of perfectionism

    • The challenges introverts face in the workplace and how to overcome them

    • The value of resilience and turning failures into stepping stones

    • How to leverage coaching in your career development

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    Find the transcript and show notes at: https://www.lennysnewsletter.com/p/succeeding-as-an-introvert-deb-liu

    Where to find Deb Liu:

    • Threads: https://www.threads.net/@debliu

    • LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/deborahliu

    • Substack: https://debliu.substack.com/

    Where to find Lenny:

    • Newsletter: https://www.lennysnewsletter.com

    • X: https://twitter.com/lennysan

    • LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/lennyrachitsky/

    In this episode, we cover:

    (00:00) Introduction to Deb Liu

    (02:18) Deb’s career journey and key advice

    (09:45) Navigating new roles and challenges

    (11:27) Overcoming adversity and failure

    (15:07) Building billion-dollar businesses at Facebook

    (19:33) Strategies for zero-to-one innovation

    (23:40) PM your career like a product

    (33:53) Challenges and strategies for introverts in business

    (39:19) Reframing self-promotion

    (42:25) The power of accountability

    (46:15) Growth: a game of inches

    (50:52) The 30-60-90-day plan

    (56:52) Contrarian corner: career and marriage

    (58:57) Final nuggets of wisdom

    (01:03:09) How to find a coach

    (01:04:47) Lightning round

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    Unorthodox PM wisdom: Automating user insights, unselling job candidates, logging every decision, more | Kevin Yien (Stripe, Square, Mutiny)

    Unorthodox PM wisdom: Automating user insights, unselling job candidates, logging every decision, more | Kevin Yien (Stripe, Square, Mutiny)

    Kevin Yien leads product for merchant experiences at Stripe. Before that, he meandered his way from being a technical designer to a product manager, built the restaurants business and ecosystem team at Square, and most recently was head of product and design at Mutiny. He also makes ice cream and teaches for fun. In our conversation, we discuss:

    • Why aspiring PMs should start in engineering, design, or sales

    • The importance of writing skills, and how to become a better writer

    • How to automate user research

    • Kevin’s “unsell email” technique for hiring

    • The value of keeping a decision log

    • Insights on AI and its impact on future generations

    • Lessons from failure

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    Find the transcript and show notes at: https://www.lennysnewsletter.com/p/unorthodox-pm-wisdom-kevin-yien

    Where to find Kevin Yien:

    • X: https://x.com/kevinyien

    • LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/kevinyien/

    • Website: https://kevinyien.com/

    Where to find Lenny:

    • Newsletter: https://www.lennysnewsletter.com

    • X: https://twitter.com/lennysan

    • LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/lennyrachitsky/

    In this episode, we cover:

    (00:00) Kevin’s background 

    (02:00) The story behind Kevin’s profile picture

    (08:41) The role of a product manager

    (10:48) Getting started in product management

    (12:47) The importance of writing skills

    (15:06) Becoming a better writer

    (19:10) The PM’s role with engineering and design

    (28:41) Drawing the perimeter for your team

    (31:37) Feedback tips

    (35:13) Decision logs and product sense

    (45:36) Unorthodox hiring strategies

    (47:01) The unsell email strategy

    (54:01) Automating user research

    (01:02:27) AI in everyday life

    (01:06:05) Lessons from failure

    (01:14:34) Lightning round

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    Improve strategy, influence, and decision-making by understanding your brain | Evan LaPointe (founder of CORE Sciences)

    Improve strategy, influence, and decision-making by understanding your brain | Evan LaPointe (founder of CORE Sciences)

    Evan LaPointe is the founder of CORE Sciences, which teaches companies and individuals how our brains work and how that translates to improved collaboration, better products, faster decision-making, and more growth. Previously, Evan was the co-founder of Satellite, the fourth-largest analytics company on the internet today (it mostly runs behind the scenes, and pretty much everyone listening will have used it today without knowing it), which was acquired by Adobe, where he later ran product strategy, innovation, and long-range thinking for Adobe’s digital experiences business. In our conversation, we discuss:

    • The three different systems of the brain

    • How knowing this can help you become more influential

    • How understanding different brain states will help you increase productivity and creativity

    • How to improve your vision and strategy skills

    • How to design a work environment that fosters innovation

    • How to build better relationships at work

    • Much more

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    Find the transcript and references at: https://www.lennysnewsletter.com/p/understanding-your-brain-evan-lapointe

    Where to find Evan LaPointe:

    • X: https://x.com/evanlapointe

    • LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/evanlapointe/

    • Website: https://www.core-sciences.com/

    Where to find Lenny:

    • Newsletter: https://www.lennysnewsletter.com

    • X: https://twitter.com/lennysan

    • LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/lennyrachitsky/

    In this episode, we cover:

    (00:00) Evan’s background

    (02:37) Understanding the brain’s complex systems

    (07:17) The three core brain systems: safety, reward, and purpose

    (11:03) Applying brain science to team dynamics

    (14:27) The role of personality in team performance

    (17:27) Creating effective work environments

    (23:16) The science of meetings and decision-making

    (29:35) Enhancing strategy and vision

    (54:46) Understanding personality traits in strategy and vision

    (58:58) Tactical tips for increasing openness

    (01:05:46) Building influence and effective relationships

    (01:21:17) The importance of trust and appeal in relationships

    (01:36:47) Creating a positive organizational habitat

    (01:50:35) Enhancing focus and productivity

    (02:00:58) Practical tips for deep work and gamma time

    (02:07:11) Lightning round

    Referenced:

    • The Most Complicated Object in the Universe: https://today.uconn.edu/2018/03/complicated-object-universe/#

    • The Myers-Briggs personality test: https://www.themyersbriggs.com/en-US/Products-and-Services/Myers-Briggs

    • The Big Five personality test: https://www.thepersonalitylab.org/

    • The Enneagram personality test: https://enneagramtest.com/

    • An inside look at how Figma builds product | Yuhki Yamashita (CPO of Figma): https://www.lennysnewsletter.com/p/an-inside-look-at-how-figma-builds

    • Vision, conviction, and hype: How to build 0 to 1 inside a company | Mihika Kapoor (Product at Figma): https://www.lennysnewsletter.com/p/vision-conviction-hype-mihika-kapoor

    • Dylan Field live at Config: Intuition, simplicity, and the future of design: https://www.lennysnewsletter.com/p/dylan-field-live-at-config

    • An inside look at Figma’s unique GTM motion | Claire Butler (first GTM hire): https://www.lennysnewsletter.com/p/an-inside-look-at-figmas-unique-bottom

    • Inside Canva: Coaches not managers, giving away your Legos, and running profitably | Cameron Adams (co-founder and CPO): https://www.lennysnewsletter.com/p/inside-canva-with-cameron-adams

    • The Science-Business Mismatch That Puts Your Change at Risk: https://changemanagementreview.com/the-science-business-mismatch-that-puts-your-change-at-risk/

    • Daniel Pink on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/danielpink/

    • Trello: https://trello.com/

    • Cron: https://cronhq.notion.site/

    • The Double Diamond framework for design thinking: https://www.fluxspace.io/resources/the-4-ds-double-diamond-design-thinking-model

    • CORE Sciences - Tips on Priming Great Meetings PDF: https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fi/gm21cj0vi0bjosyu8kd69/CORE-Sciences-Tips-on-Priming-Great-Meetings.pdf?rlkey=6fznhv7bbsxm8nj8m4luej17t&st=2eduirad&dl=0

    • How to grow a subscription business | Yuriy Timen (Grammarly, Canva, Airtable): https://www.lennysnewsletter.com/p/transform-your-subscription-growth

    • Brené Brown’s website: https://brenebrown.com/

    • The CORE personality test: https://www.core-sciences.com/new-core-identity

    • Burning Man: https://burningman.org/

    • Stripe: https://stripe.com/

    • Jony Ive: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jony_Ive

    • Albert Einstein quote: https://www.goodreads.com/quotes/7133605-make-things-as-simple-as-possible-but-no-simpler

    • Elden Ring: https://en.bandainamcoent.eu/elden-ring/elden-ring

    • Abilene paradox: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abilene_paradox

    The Challenger Sale: Taking Control of the Customer Conversation: https://www.amazon.com/Challenger-Sale-Control-Customer-Conversation/dp/1591844355

    • The surprising truth about what closes deals: Insights from 2.5m sales conversations | Matt Dixon (author of The Challenger Sale and The JOLT Effect): https://www.lennysnewsletter.com/p/close-more-deals-matt-dixon

    • Siqi Chan on X: https://x.com/blader

    • Runway: https://runway.com/

    • Shreyas Doshi on pre-mortems, the LNO framework, the three levels of product work, why most execution problems are strategy problems, and ROI vs. opportunity cost thinking: https://www.lennysnewsletter.com/p/episode-3-shreyas-doshi

    • Wolfgang Puck’s website: https://wolfgangpuck.com/

    • Steven Spielberg on X: https://x.com/sspielberg93

    • John Williams’s website: https://www.johnwilliams.org/

    • The paths to power: How to grow your influence and advance your career | Jeffrey Pfeffer (author of 7 Rules of Power, professor at Stanford GSB): https://www.lennysnewsletter.com/p/the-paths-to-power-jeffrey-pfeffer

    • Warby Parker: https://www.warbyparker.com/

    • Simon Sinek’s website: https://simonsinek.com/

    • What is the function of the various brainwaves?: https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/what-is-the-function-of-t-1997-12-22/

    • CORE Sciences - Your Brain's 9 Modes PDF: https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fi/figg8upeaawir1hnxv0ew/CORE-Sciences-Your-Brain-s-9-Modes.pdf?rlkey=u3zaonxvycvupurq6pwysckfq&st=os06xjnr&dl=0

    Never Split the Difference: Negotiating As If Your Life Depended On It: Unlock Your Persuasion Potential in Professional and Personal Life: https://www.amazon.com/Never-Split-Difference-Negotiating-Depended/dp/0062407805

    The Person and the Situation: Perspectives of Social Psychology: https://www.amazon.com/Person-Situation-Perspectives-Social-Psychology/dp/1905177445

    Cambridge Fundamentals of Neuroscience in Psychology: https://www.amazon.com/Cambridge-Fundamentals-Neuroscience-Psychology/dp/B08QYNDNYX

    • Robert Greene’s books on Amazon: https://www.amazon.com/stores/Robert-Greene/author/B001IGV3IS

    Misbehaving: The Making of Behavioral Economics: https://www.amazon.com/Misbehaving-Behavioral-Economics-Richard-Thaler/dp/039335279X

    • Beehiiv: https://www.beehiiv.com/

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    How embracing your emotions will accelerate your career | Joe Hudson (executive coach, Art of Accomplishment)

    How embracing your emotions will accelerate your career | Joe Hudson (executive coach, Art of Accomplishment)

    Joe Hudson is one of the most sought-after executive coaches in Silicon Valley. He is the founder of Art of Accomplishment, a transformational coaching program that has helped tens of thousands of people, including many tech executives and founders from companies like Apple, OpenAI, and Google. His unique method of transformation comes from over 25 years of exploring neurological, psychological, and spiritual traditions, tested against real-world challenges. In our conversation, Joe shares:

    • Why the critical voice in your head is always wrong, and how to change your relationship with that voice

    • Why authenticity trumps self-improvement

    • The importance of embracing all of your emotions

    • How to create more enjoyable and effective meetings

    • The power of gratitude in transforming your life

    • Practical experiments for personal growth

    • Much more

    Apply for Joe’s Connection Course:

    Thousands of students have taken Joe’s most popular experience, the Connection Course. Unlike most online courses, there is no reading, lectures, or written homework. It is a three-week experiential deep dive where you will apply your learnings to real-life problems—how to make your team more productive, communicate more effectively, and resolve conflicts with ease. Apply here and use the code LENNY for $300 off your enrollment: view.life/lenny.

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    Find the transcript and references at: https://www.lennysnewsletter.com/p/embracing-your-emotions-joe-hudson

    Where to find Joe Hudson:

    • X: https://x.com/FU_joehudson

    • LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/joe-hudson/

    • Website: https://www.artofaccomplishment.com/

    • Podcast: https://www.artofaccomplishment.com/podcast

    • Linktree: https://linktr.ee/theartofaccomplishment

    Where to find Lenny:

    • Newsletter: https://www.lennysnewsletter.com

    • X: https://twitter.com/lennysan

    • LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/lennyrachitsky/

    In this episode, we cover:

    (00:00) Joe’s background

    (02:31) The critical voice in your head

    (06:39) Changing your relationship with the critical voice

    (13:19) Understanding and embracing emotions

    (19:52) The importance of emotional fluidity

    (24:40) Questioning assumptions and self-perception

    (30:25) The consequences of avoiding emotions

    (36:57) Experimenting with self-improvement

    (39:42) Understanding efficiency and enjoyment

    (43:17) The power of enjoyment in daily tasks

    (45:03) Innate enjoyment vs. learned enjoyment

    (46:31) Authenticity vs. self-improvement

    (50:01) Embracing emotional experiences

    (55:49) How understanding your emotions helps you make better decisions

    (01:02:53) Creating effective teams and meetings

    (01:10:40) Gratitude practice for personal growth

    (01:15:36) Conclusion and final thoughts

    Referenced:

    Descartes’ Error: Emotion, Reason, and the Human Brain: https://www.amazon.com/Descartes-Error-Emotion-Reason-Human/dp/014303622X/

    • Joe’s quote about joy: https://x.com/FU_joehudson/status/1756837774743790030

    • “Emotional Inquiry”: https://www.artofaccomplishment.com/podcast/emotional-inquiry

    Inside Out 2: https://movies.disney.com/inside-out-2

    • “Question the Assumption”: https://www.artofaccomplishment.com/podcast/question-the-assumption

    • Bodega Bay: https://www.bodegabay.com/

    • Elon Musk reveals the interview question he asks every candidate to instantly spot a liar: https://www.good.is/elon-musk-reveals-the-one-job-interview-question-he-asks-every-candidate-to-instantly-spot-a-liar

    • Great Decisions course: https://www.artofaccomplishment.com/course/great-decisions-course

    • HBR Analytic Services: https://hbr.org/hbr-analytic-services

    • Connection Course: https://www.artofaccomplishment.com/course/the-connection-course

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