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    Reid Hoffman & Jeff Berman on why the future needs re-founders

    During transformation, prioritize the customer perspective to unify teams and improve vision, remembering it's not a solo endeavor.

    enMarch 05, 2024

    About this Episode

    Reid Hoffman thinks visionary leaders should pursue a "re-founder" state of mind. In this episode he welcomes the newest host of Masters of Scale, Jeff Berman, for a dialogue that digs into a re-founder's mission: evolving an organization while staying true to core values. As the re-founder of WaitWhat, the media company that brings this podcast to life, Jeff explores with Reid their own experiences with leadership succession. And they draw on re-founding insight from all-stars like Microsoft's Satya Nadella, Uber's Dara Khosrowshahi, and Yahoo's Marissa Mayer. So reset the clock to Day 0 – because it's always a prime time for a reboot!

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    🔑 Key Takeaways

    • Grammarly helps professionals write clearly and concisely while ensuring data security. Masters of Scale Summit offers opportunities to connect, learn, and innovate with peers.
    • Refounding involves taking on the risks and challenges of starting over in a business, requiring a unique mindset and strong team and customer focus.
    • Leaders with a refounding mindset focus on creating an adaptable organization, allowing for new leadership and transformative changes.
    • Effective leadership transitions require clear communication and allowing the new leader to take ownership of decisions while the old leader provides counsel to ensure a successful rewiring of the company
    • Refounders invest in long-term initiatives and evolve companies in response to new opportunities and challenges, unlike traditional CEOs who focus on short-term goals.
    • To effectively utilize AI technology, organizations must evolve their mission with a refounder mindset, balancing innovation and preserving core values.
    • Effective leaders engage with skeptics, ask questions, and consider different perspectives to uncover valuable insights and improve their strategies.
    • Understand and refine mission, prioritize personal connections, value existing culture to build a successful and cohesive remote team.
    • CEO Dara Khosrowshahi fostered a new culture at Uber by gathering employee suggestions, celebrating differences, and refining existing good elements.
    • Incoming CEOs and refounders must balance immediate needs with team building and fostering a problem-solving culture, allowing some fires to burn and encouraging failure as part of the process.
    • During transformation, prioritize the customer perspective to unify teams and improve vision, remembering it's not a solo endeavor.

    📝 Podcast Summary

    Tools for Efficient Communication and Learning

    Grammarly is a valuable tool for professionals like Tucker, who need to produce clear and concise documents efficiently while ensuring data security. Meanwhile, the Masters of Scale Summit offers an exclusive opportunity for individuals to connect, learn, and innovate with like-minded professionals. Refounding, as exemplified by Jeff Berman, involves joining an organization and transforming its culture, strategy, and roadmap while preserving its core values. Both Grammarly and the Masters of Scale Summit emphasize the importance of progress, innovation, and security in today's fast-paced world.

    Refounding: Starting Over with a Strong Team and Customer Focus

    Refounding involves taking on the risks and challenges of starting over in a business, even if you have previous experience or success. Aparna Saren, CMO of Capital One Business, shares her experience of refocusing her marketing strategy and facing unexpected resistance. Jeff Berman, host of Masters of Scale, joins Reed in discussing their experiences as refounders and the importance of having a strong team and customer focus. Reed emphasizes the unique mindset required for refounding, as the risks and decisions are not always straightforward. This episode of Masters of Scale, presented by Capital One Business, highlights the refocus playbook and the importance of focusing on your team and customers during times of change.

    Embracing a refounding mindset for enduring institutions

    Effective leadership in today's rapidly changing business landscape requires a refounding mindset. This means looking beyond the immediate tasks and focusing on creating an enduring institution that can adapt to new technologies and industries. A CEO with a refounding mindset is not only beneficial for their own tenure but also for the succession of future leaders. Reed Hastings, the CEO of Netflix, exemplified this by bringing in Jeff Weiner and allowing him to take the reins as CEO, ensuring everyone understood his new role and responsibilities. It's crucial to recognize that individuals new to an organization can also embrace this mindset and lead the company through transformative changes. In summary, embracing a refounding mindset is essential for companies to stay competitive and thrive in the ever-evolving business world.

    Clear communication and reestablishing neural connectivity during leadership transitions

    Effective leadership transition in a company requires clear communication and reestablishing neural connectivity between the old and new leadership. Reid Hoffman, the co-founder of LinkedIn, learned this lesson the hard way when he attempted to hand over the CEO position to Dan Nye before Jeff Wiener's successful tenure. The lack of clarity in leadership roles and the old CEO's continued involvement in decision-making prevented the organization from fully accepting the new CEO. When bringing in Jeff Wiener, Reid made sure to establish Jeff as the moral authority and CEO, allowing him to take ownership of decisions while Reid provided counsel. This approach allowed for the successful rewiring of the company and the establishment of a strong leadership transition.

    Refounders shape the future of a company

    A refounder in a company plays a crucial role in shaping its future by investing in long-term initiatives and synergizing the organization's mission with their leadership. This is different from a traditional CO who focuses on short-term goals. Refounders challenge the status quo and evolve companies in response to new opportunities and challenges. Satya Nadella, as an example, reset Microsoft's mission and culture upon becoming CEO, prioritizing collaboration over exclusivity. One of his notable decisions was partnering with OpenAI, a nonprofit organization, to focus on AI applications. This partnership showcases how refounders navigate joint missions with external technological organizations for the betterment of the company and the world.

    Embrace a refounder mindset for successful AI adoption

    For organizations looking to embrace and effectively utilize AI technology, it's crucial to adopt a refounder mindset. This means evolving the mission of the company, but not abandoning it entirely. Successful businesses are meant to outlast their founders, so proper handoffs and a founder mindset are essential. When considering open AI investments, like Microsoft did under Satya Nadella, it's important to be sensitive to the earlier mission of the company but also seize the moment and take calculated risks. The key is finding the right balance between evolution and innovation. Refounders are more likely to take risks and lead their teams to realize the collective vision. However, assessing what parts of an established culture to evolve and what elements to protect requires careful consideration. The ability to adapt while maintaining a strong foundation is key to a successful refounding journey.

    Listening to skeptics and understanding their perspectives

    Effective leadership involves listening to skeptics and understanding their perspectives before pushing forward with a new vision. Aparna, in her quest to transform her marketing strategy, encountered resistance from her team. Instead of dismissing their skepticism, she recognized their right to their own point of view and sought to understand the reasons behind it. By actively engaging with her team and asking questions, Aparna uncovered a crucial missing piece from her new marketing strategy. This experience highlights the importance of considering different perspectives and being open to feedback in the leadership process. Additionally, Marissa Meyer's story illustrates the value of recognizing the potential and energy within a team, even during times of change and uncertainty.

    Balancing work and human connections in remote teams

    Leading a team, especially in a largely remote environment, requires a balance between focusing on the work and building human connections. When starting a new role, it's essential to understand and refine the mission, but also prioritize getting to know team members on a personal level. The team's existing culture should be valued and nurtured, as it can be easy to overlook the importance of human connections in the midst of pressing work. This was a valuable lesson learned by the speaker during their current role, and it's a challenge that leaders like Dara Khosrowshahi have faced as well. By investing time in both the work and the team, leaders can create a successful and cohesive organization.

    New Uber CEO adopts collaborative approach

    When facing a controversial leadership role, it's essential to understand that the public perception of a company may not align with the people within it. Dara Khosrowshahi, the new Uber CEO, discovered this firsthand when he joined a team of dedicated, intelligent employees who wanted to fight for the company despite its controversies. Instead of imposing a new culture, Khosrowshahi opted for a collaborative approach, gathering suggestions from employees to create new cultural norms that celebrated differences and refined the company's existing good elements. This inclusive and democratic process helped Uber evolve while preserving its core values.

    Balancing Urgent Priorities and Team Building

    Incoming CEOs and refounders face the challenge of balancing urgent priorities with the need to understand and connect with their team. While it's important to attend to pressing issues, it's equally important to invest time in getting to know team members and fostering a problem-solving culture. This can involve allowing some fires to burn and encouraging team members to try and fail in the process. A refoundational tour of duty refers to this ongoing effort to build a strong team and culture, alongside financial and operational success. Success in this role would be measured not only by financial metrics but also by the development of a resilient and innovative team. Entrepreneurship requires a balance of short-term focus and long-term vision, with a persistent vision and flexibility to adapt to changing circumstances.

    Communicating customer-centric transformation to the board

    Transformation, whether it's through artificial intelligence or refocusing a department strategy, requires a customer-centric approach. During a board meeting, it's essential to communicate how this transformation will impact goals and industry leadership. Mentorship and networking are crucial for any business, especially during times of change. Aparna Saren of Capital One Business learned this when she realized her team couldn't pivot without bringing the customer perspective to the table. By putting the customer first, she was able to unify her team and improve their vision statement. As a business leader, it's important to remember that transformation is not a solo endeavor and that valuable insights can come from various sources, including mentors, team members, and customers.

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