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    143. Be an evangelist for authenticity, with tech veteran Guy Kawasaki

    enApril 02, 2024

    About this Episode

    With his trademark wit and wisdom, Guy Kawasaki shares lessons from his trailblazing journeys in tech and investing. He was “software evangelist” at Apple when the company launched its revolutionary Macintosh line. He went on to lead his own wide-ranging ventures, and today has reprised his role as “evangelist” at the graphic design platform Canva. Guy has also written 16 books and hosts the “Remarkable People” podcast, which is now a book of the same name. He offers valuable insights on fostering a growth mindset, embracing change, and harnessing the power of AI to supercharge innovation.

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    🔑 Key Takeaways

    • Tools like Grammarly save time and produce high-quality work, while inspiring stories remind us to focus on making a difference and staying motivated.
    • Embrace learning, focus on team and customers, and build strong relationships for business growth.
    • Guy Kawasaki's background in selling jewelry provided him with invaluable skills for his role as a tech evangelist at Apple, including understanding customer needs and persuading them to value products beyond their literal worth.
    • Provide a visionary leader and separate space for entrepreneurial initiatives to foster innovation and retain talent
    • Entrepreneurs and investors should prioritize product development, team obsession, and market disruption over long-term business forecasts as the future is unpredictable.
    • Understanding skeptics' stories and addressing concerns is crucial for successful product demos. Belief in a product's advantages and user-friendly interfaces contribute to instant resonance.
    • AI can help identify patterns and examples, enhancing research and writing, but human judgment and fact-checking are essential.
    • AI tools like chat GPT help identify similar ideas and understand market competition, but entrepreneurs must find their unique advantage to differentiate themselves in a crowded market, as AI is a game-changer surpassing the impact of previous technological advancements.
    • Authentic evangelism and passionate advocates for a product can unite a team. Focusing on the customer's needs bridges the gap between traditional marketers and data analysts, creating a customer-centric, high-performing team.

    📝 Podcast Summary

    Effective tools and inspiring stories

    Effective tools like Grammarly can help individuals and teams save time and produce high-quality work while ensuring data security. Meanwhile, inspiring stories, such as Guy Kawasaki's, remind us to focus on making a difference rather than being motivated by external validation. For researchers like Tucker Legersky, Grammarly is an essential tool that makes documents clearer, more direct, and more concise, saving them valuable time. With a commitment to responsible AI and data security, Grammarly is trusted by over 70,000 teams. On the other hand, stories like Guy Kawasaki's serve as a reminder that motivation comes from within and that making a difference is the ultimate goal. His experience of being mistaken for a famous figure is a testament to the impact one can have on others, and it's a reminder to strive for greatness in our own unique ways. In essence, the power of effective tools and inspiring stories can help us work smarter, stay motivated, and make a positive impact in our personal and professional lives.

    The Importance of a Growth Mindset for Entrepreneurs and Business Leaders

    Having a growth mindset, both personally and professionally, is crucial for entrepreneurs and business leaders looking to scale their companies. Guy Kawasaki, a software evangelist and author of 16 books on entrepreneurship, leadership, and personal growth, emphasizes the importance of learning and doing more. Aparna Saren, Chief Marketing Officer for Capital One Business, faced a challenge in scaling her marketing engine and found success by focusing on her team and customers. These individuals, who worked alongside boundary-pushing founders, demonstrated vision, perseverance, and a growth mindset. Guy's experiences growing up in Hawaii, where the concept of family extends beyond blood relatives, further highlights the significance of building strong relationships and supporting networks.

    From jewelry sales to tech evangelism, Guy Kawasaki's diverse experiences shaped his success

    Guy Kawasaki's diverse experiences, including selling jewelry and working for tech giants, shaped his success as an Apple employee and tech evangelist. Starting in Hawaii, he rose through various industries, from department stores to hotels and agriculture. However, when he moved to California, he was exposed to international tech companies and felt his horizons expand. Despite dropping out of law school, he eventually earned an MBA and landed a job at Apple through a Stanford classmate. Although some may label it nepotism, his background in sales, particularly from his jewelry days, proved invaluable. In jewelry, he learned the importance of understanding customers' needs and persuading them to value his products beyond their literal worth. At Apple, he used these skills to evangelize Macintosh computers to developers, utilizing his sales experience, marketing acumen, and leadership abilities. The jewelry business may seem an unlikely stepping stone to tech, but it taught Guy the essential art of selling, which served him well in the complex world of tech evangelism.

    Creating an environment for innovative talent

    Companies looking to inspire and retain innovative talent, especially those in evangelist roles, should consider the following: first, provide a visionary and bold leader who can withstand resistance and push for new innovations, even when it means redirecting resources from existing products. Second, provide a separate physical space for entrepreneurial initiatives, ideally located offsite to ensure focus and autonomy. These measures can help companies foster an environment that encourages and retains innovative talent, allowing them to stay competitive and adapt to new markets.

    Focus on product, team, and market disruption instead of long-term forecasts

    While creating a five-year business plan is a common request, it's important to remember that the future is unpredictable. Five years ago, we couldn't have imagined the impact of COVID-19 or the rise of generative AI. Yet, many investors and companies still try to forecast the future as if they have a crystal ball. This approach is often a requirement for reporting purposes, but it's essential for entrepreneurs and investors to understand that it's a game. The real focus should be on the product, the team's obsession with it, and the potential for it to disrupt the market. As Guy Raz's experience with Canva demonstrates, a powerful demonstration of the product can be more persuasive than a thousand slides and empty competition charts. Ultimately, the success of a business depends on its ability to adapt to the ever-changing market landscape.

    Effective communication through demonstrations

    Effective communication through demonstrations is crucial for entrepreneurs. Guy Kawasaki, an entrepreneur, podcast host, and tech evangelist, shares his experience of showing people Mac Paint and Mac Write, which either instantly resonated with them or never did. He makes a similar comparison with Canva, emphasizing its user-friendly interface and the impact of experiencing a product firsthand. Kawasaki's success in evangelizing Canva and other companies is attributed to his deep understanding and belief in their advantages. However, it's not just about having a great product; a successful demo requires understanding skeptics' stories and addressing their concerns. Aparna, from Capital One Business, learned this the hard way when she tried to implement a new marketing strategy. By listening to her team and addressing their concerns, she discovered a crucial missing piece. Ultimately, effective communication through demos and understanding skeptics' perspectives are essential for entrepreneurs to succeed.

    Using AI as a research tool and writing assistant

    AI can serve as a powerful research tool and writing assistant, particularly in the process of writing nonfiction books. Guy Raz, the host of the Remarkable People podcast and author of the new book by the same name, shared how he used AI to enhance his research and writing process. He used AI to identify patterns and examples, which helped him gain deeper insights and write more effectively. For instance, he asked AI to provide examples of people who made radical career shifts and achieved great success. The AI suggested Jeff Bezos and Julia Child. However, Raz emphasized that while AI can be a valuable assistant, it's not a replacement for human judgment and fact-checking. Raz also highlighted the importance of having a growth mindset to be remarkable, which he discovered through interviewing 250 remarkable people. Overall, Raz's experience demonstrates the potential of AI to augment human creativity and productivity, but also the importance of human oversight and verification.

    Using AI as a co-pilot for analysis and decision-making

    AI is not a replacement for human analysis and decision-making but rather a co-pilot that augments and informs our analysis. For writers and investors, this means using AI tools like chat GPT to identify similar ideas and understand market competition. The most challenging question for entrepreneurs is figuring out their unique advantage in a crowded market. AI is seen as an opportunity for innovation by Guy Kawasaki, who believes companies should embrace it before their competitors do. Despite the potential advantages of large corporations, they still need to out-innovate smaller entities or risk being bought out. AI is considered a game-changer, surpassing the impact of personal computers, chips, social media, internet, and the industrial revolution combined. It's an exciting time, and entrepreneurs should focus on differentiating themselves in the market.

    Putting the customer at the center unites a team

    Focusing on the customer and their needs can unify a team and improve a product. Jeff Berman emphasized the importance of authentic evangelism and the value of passionate advocates for a new product. Aparna Saren from Capital One Business shared her experience of bringing her team together by putting the customer at the center of their strategy. By doing so, she was able to bridge the gap between traditional marketers and data analysts, creating a customer-centric, data-powered team. This revised vision statement has significantly improved her team's performance. As a reminder, Capital One Business supports entrepreneurs and business leaders in their growth journey. To learn more and access resources, visit capitalone.com/businesshub.

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