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Welcome to a very special episode of The Tim Ferriss Show, an episode that might be an example of peeking around corners and catching a glimpse of the future of mental health treatments in the next five to ten years.

My guest is Nolan Williams, MD (@NolanRyWilliams). Nolan is an associate professor within the Department of Psychiatry and Behavioral Sciences at Stanford University School of Medicine and director of the Stanford Brain Stimulation Lab. He has a broad background in clinical neuroscience and is triple board certified in general neurology, general psychiatry, and behavioral neurology and neuropsychiatry. Themes of his work include examining spaced learning theory and neurostimulation techniques, development and mechanistic understanding of rapid-acting antidepressants, and identifying objective biomarkers that predict neuromodulation responses in treatment-resistant neuropsychiatric conditions.

Nolan specializes in looking at cutting-edge treatments and new technologies that can be applied to treatment-resistant psychiatric disorders—so, treatment-resistant depression, disorders that are notoriously difficult to address, such as OCD, and many others.

Nolan's work resulted in an FDA clearance for the world's first noninvasive, rapid-acting neuromodulation approach for treatment-resistant depression. And I've tested this myself, and we get into this in the conversation. He has published papers in Brain, American Journal of Psychiatry, and Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences. Results from his studies have gained attention in Science and NEJM Journal Watch. He has received two NARSAD Young Investigator Awards, the Gerald L. Klerman Award, and the National Institute of Mental Health Biobehavioral Research Award for Innovative New Scientists.

We also discuss things like ibogaine that are seemingly unrelated to neuromodulation, as Nolan is very well-versed in multiple disciplines and in multiple toolkits, both pharmacological and non-invasive neuromodulatory. It's this combination, actually, this rare Venn diagram, that makes him incredibly interesting to me. I really enjoyed this conversation. I think it is very important, highly tactical, and I hope you enjoy it as much as I did.

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[07:49] How SAINT helped Deirdre Lehman.

[13:59] Typical vs. atypical sequences of activation.

[21:00] Psychiatry 1.0, 2.0, 3.0.

[26:41] How SAINT (Stanford Accelerated Intelligent Neuromodulation Therapy) came to be.

[34:00] TMS vs. ECT.

[35:26] Rewards and risks of shortening treatment timeframe.

[43:43] Numbers treated and common side-effects.

[46:32] Patient demographics.

[49:51] Where to find current open trials.

[51:01] Observed benefits of SAINT over more conventional treatments.

[52:45] Adapting treatment when symptoms prove misleading.

[58:03] SAINT remission numbers versus those of alternative therapies.

[1:02:50] Delayed remission speculation.

[1:07:06] How Nolan became The Ibogaine Bachelorette.

[1:11:37] The origin of Nolan’s interest in ibogaine.

[1:12:40] Amazing results of the quickest-recruiting study Nolan has ever run.

[1:15:19] Dealing with alexithymia and self-reporting inaccuracies in research.

[1:19:41] Ibogaine research gets federal funding (approved since this conversation took place)!

[1:21:09] Isolating the ibogaine effect.

[1:21:49] The value of life review on ibogaine.

[1:25:56] How ibogaine differs from other psychedelic treatments.

[1:30:05] The challenge behind synthesizing naturally occurring compounds.

[1:31:54] Coping with ibogaine’s cardiac risks.

[1:39:37] Understanding habitual action through ibogaine, Ozempic, caffeine, and alcohol.

[1:45:43] Ibogaine for TBI.

[1:50:08] Ibogaine for alleviating opioid withdrawal symptoms.

[1:51:34] Ibogaine in Kentucky.

[2:00:59] Weighing ethics with potential outcomes in research.

[2:04:31] Can ibogaine be sourced (or synthesized) sustainably?

[2:08:24] Does 5-MeO-DMT complement ibogaine enough to justify its collection?

[2:16:48] What might Psychiatry 4.0 look like?

[2:25:12] Could we develop therapies to change hand dominance?

[2:28:08] Boosting performance.

[2:34:01] Parting thoughts.

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Matt Mullenweg (@photomatt) is co-founder of the open-source publishing platform WordPress, which now powers over 40 percent of all sites on the web. He is the founder and CEO of Automattic, the company behind WordPress.com, WooCommerce, Tumblr, WPVIP, Day One, Texts, and Pocket Casts. Additionally, Matt runs Audrey Capital, an investment and research company. He has been recognized for his leadership by Forbes, Bloomberg Businessweek, Inc., TechCrunch, Fortune, Fast Company, Wired, University Philosophical Society, and Vanity Fair.

Matt is originally from Houston, Texas, where he attended the High School for the Performing and Visual Arts and studied jazz saxophone. In his spare time, Matt is an avid photographer. He currently splits his time between Houston and San Francisco.

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[05:12] The Argentine Dr. Mullenweg.

[08:15] Open source.

[10:19] Secret hiring.

[12:59] Matt is always on tour.

[15:14] Texts.

[17:39] How Matt chooses his next project(s).

[21:51] Building a digital Berkshire Hathaway.

[29:01] Why Matt’s excited about messaging.

[32:03] How Matt discovers companies he buys.

[32:53] RIP, Charlie Munger.

[33:28] Worthy rereads.

[37:10] My reflections on blogging, writing, and podcasting.

[48:55] Tyler Cowen’s inimitable style.

[49:42] Matt’s high school economics competition.

[57:05] Cables.

[57:59] AI spellcasting and community.

[1:01:09] Developments that will amaze the future.

[1:04:51] AI-proofing jobs.

[1:07:23] Why Matt’s optimistic about future generations.

[1:12:17] Data Liberation Front.

[1:14:12] More open app stores.

[1:18:53] Invisible tools (and weapons) of competition.

[1:23:40] Online security advice for the layman.

[1:26:21] WordCamp Asia.

[1:32:12] Taking a sa-Matt-ical.

[1:45:25] Rethinking nuclear energy.

[1:47:20] Rethinking psychedelics risks.

[1:57:59] Rethinking breathwork.

[2:02:05] Coping with depression.

[2:15:16] Rethinking TikTok.

[2:16:40] Blogging: absurd and beautiful.

[2:18:40] Rethinking Vienna sausages.

[2:19:57] Pocket ranch.

[2:21:36] Answering ancient emails.

[2:22:45] The curse of the ultra-critical eye.

[2:25:51] Rethinking meditation.

[2:28:38] Bacterial dentistry.

[2:32:06] Pocket party.

[2:32:55] Parting thoughts.

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Arnold Schwarzenegger (@schwarzenegger) is an Austrian-born bodybuilder, actor, businessman, philanthropist, bestselling author, and politician. He served as the thirty-eighth governor of California. His new book, Be Useful: Seven Tools for Life, is out October 10th, and his daily email newsletter Pump Club recently hit more than 500,000 subscribers and continues to grow as a positive corner of the Internet. 

Schwarzenegger has made it his mission to give back. Since his time in the Governor’s house, he’s been working diligently to combat climate change, anti-semitism, ensure fair voting practices, help youth, work with Veterans, and inspire healthy living.

Please enjoy!

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[06:37] Recovering from heart surgery.

[11:19] Age 10 entrepreneurship.

[15:38] Arnold's dad and the importance of being useful.

[21:02] Arnold and his brother: same upbringing, different outcomes.

[27:53] Building ladders and never thinking small.

[34:49] When Arnold's self-bet to be a comedic lead paid off.

[41:26] We're all in sales.

[46:43] The significance of shifting gears.

[50:24] Grieving Franco Columbu.

[54:53] Aging.

[1:02:17] Arnold's current state of self-identity.

[1:05:07] What Arnold hopes readers take away from Be Useful.

[1:12:18] Parting thoughts.

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Dustin Moskovitz (@moskov) is co-founder and CEO at Asana, a leading work-management platform for teams. Asana’s mission is to help humanity thrive by enabling all teams to work together effortlessly. Prior to Asana, he co-founded Facebook and was a key leader within the technical staff, first in the position of CTO and then later as VP of Engineering. Dustin attended Harvard University as an economics major for two years before moving to Palo Alto, California, to work full time at Facebook.

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[08:17] The Back Buddy.

[12:38] A user’s guide to Dustin.

[15:49] Coaching for endurance.

[18:43] Making quicker decisions.

[20:45] Avoiding paradox of choice.

[23:20] Difficult but desirable delegation.

[25:08] The time-saving spreadsheet.

[29:12] No Meeting Wednesdays.

[33:34] Weekly architecture.

[35:33] Why Dustin prefers in-person meetings.

[36:55] The 15 Commitments to Conscious Leadership.

[40:55] Working with Diana Chapman.

[45:10] Clearing conversations.

[48:09] Nonviolent Communication.

[49:43] Feel your feelings.

[51:10] The Beginning of Infinity.

[53:50] Effective altruism.

[1:00:43] On being directionally vegetarian.

[1:02:32] Funding future pandemic preparation.

[1:07:33] AI risks and Yuddites.

[1:13:43] Most promising avenues of AI defense.

[1:17:19] Incentivizing AI safety compliance.

[1:19:12] Further AI threats.

[1:23:21] What the AI-amplified decade ahead might look like.

[1:28:59] Asana’s forthcoming AI integrations.

[1:37:04] Blocking personal time.

[1:40:41] Recommended reading.

[1:43:14] Dustin’s billboard.

[1:47:46] Parting thoughts.

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Welcome to another episode of The Tim Ferriss Show, where it is my job to deconstruct world-class performers to tease out the routines, habits, et cetera that you can apply to your own life. 

This is a special inbetweenisode, which serves as a recap of the episodes from last month. It features a short clip from each conversation in one place so you can easily jump around to get a feel for the episode and guest.

Based on your feedback, this format has been tweaked and improved since the first recap episode. For instance, @hypersundays on Twitter suggested that the bios for each guest can slow the momentum, so we moved all the bios to the end. 

See it as a teaser. Something to whet your appetite. If you like what you hear, you can of course find the full episodes at tim.blog/podcast. 

Please enjoy! 

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Timestamps:

Simon Coronel: 00:03:11

Jake Muise: 00:06:36

HERESIES: 00:19:16

Eric Cressey: 00:32:05

David Maisel: 00:36:35

Full episode titles:

Simon Coronel, World Champion of Magic — Quitting the Day Job, The Delights of the Magic Castle, Finding Glitches in Reality, Learning How to Use Your Own Brain, and Worshiping at the Altar of Wonder (#679)

Jake Muise — The Relentless Pursuit of Innovation, Quality, and Meaning (#678)

HERESIES — Exploring Animal Communication, Cloning Humans, The Dangers of The American Dream, and More (#677)

Eric Cressey, Cressey Sports Performance — Tactical Deep Dive on Back Pain, Movement Diagnosis, Training Principles, Developing Mobility, Building Power, Fascial Manipulation, and Rules for Athletes (#675)

David Maisel of Marvel Studios Fame — Never-Before-Heard Tales of Hollywood Dealmaking, The Art of Aiming Big, Lessons from Power Broker Michael Ovitz, Combining Business Smarts with Street Smarts, The Making (and Importance) of Iron Man, Selling to Disney for $4 Billion, and Much More (#676)

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Jake Muise (@mauinuivenison) is CEO at Maui Nui Venison, a company he co-founded in 2017 that works to balance invasive axis deer populations on the island of Maui, channeling that management into incredible nutrient-dense food. Maui Nui was selected for Fast Company’s “Top 10 Most Innovative Companies in Agriculture of 2023,” and its venison has been served in restaurants across the country, including Alinea, The French Laundry, and Saison. Prior to Maui Nui, Jake was executive director of the Axis Deer Institute for 12 years, part of a two-decades-long project focused on axis deer and their long-term management in Hawai’i. 

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[06:05] Lava cowboys.

[14:00] What does Maui Nui mean?

[15:07] A Hawai’i history primer.

[22:26] The problem with (and delicious solution to) axis deer in Hawai’i.

[30:18] The three-year hunt that became the Maui Nui springboard.

[43:54] The life-changing power of volleyball and free pizza.

[52:18] Seven on, seven off.

[57:01] Processes, metrics, and moon-fluence.

[1:00:41] Surpassing USDA regulations — in the wild.

[1:07:59] A typical night of harvesting.

[1:15:09] The humble, hungry, and smart way to build a world-class team.

[1:21:46] Feedback that separates the As and Bs from the Cs.

[1:30:21] Assigned and recommended reading.

[1:35:01] Nutrient density.

[1:46:10] Clawback allowances.

[1:49:20] Secret Pinterest boards.

[1:52:59] The old lady on the couch game.

[1:57:06] Tug of war.

[1:59:57] Can the business sustainably scale up without selling out?

[2:03:57] Jake’s billboard.

[2:06:00] Parting thoughts.

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Welcome to another episode of The Tim Ferriss Show. I'm very excited to publish this episode. This is an experimental format, and we are calling it HERESIES.

The objective of this format is to encourage and celebrate independent thinking.

Please enjoy!

Bios of the co-hosts and guests:

Kevin Kelly (@kevin2kelly) helped launch and edit Wired magazine. He has written for The New York Times, and The Wall Street Journal, among many other publications. You can find my most recent interview with him at tim.blog/kevinkelly. 

He is the author of the new book Excellent Advice for Living: Wisdom I Wish I’d Known Earlier. Other books by Kevin Kelly include Out of Control, the 1994 classic book on decentralized emergent systems; The Silver Cord, a graphic novel about robots and angels; What Technology Wants, a robust theory of technology; Vanishing Asia, his 50-year project to photograph the disappearing cultures of Asia, and The Inevitable: Understanding the 12 Technological Forces That Will Shape Our Future, a New York Times bestseller.

Kevin is currently co-chair of The Long Now Foundation, which is building a clock in a mountain that will tick for 10,000 years. He also has a daily blog; a weekly podcast about cool tools; and a weekly newsletter, Recomendo, which is a free, one-page list of six very brief recommendations of cool stuff. He is also a Senior Maverick at Wired. He lives in Pacifica, California.

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Noah Feldman (@NoahRFeldman) is a Harvard professor, ethical philosopher and advisor, public intellectual, religious scholar and historian, and author of 10 books, including his latest, The Broken Constitution: Lincoln, Slavery, and the Refounding of America. You can find my interview with him at tim.blog/noah.

Noah is the founder of Ethical Compass, which helps clients like Facebook and eBay improve ethical decision-making by creating and implementing new governance solutions. Noah conceived and designed the Facebook Oversight Board and continues to advise Facebook on ethics and governance issues.

Noah is host of the Deep Background podcast, a policy and public affairs columnist for Bloomberg Opinion, and a former contributing writer for The New York Times. He served as senior constitutional advisor to the Coalition Provisional Authority in Iraq and subsequently advised members of the Iraqi Governing Council on the drafting of Iraq’s interim constitution.

He earned his A.B. summa cum laude from Harvard, finishing first in his class. Selected as a Rhodes Scholar, he earned a DPhil from Oxford University, writing his dissertation on Aristotle’s Ethics. He received his J.D. from Yale Law School and clerked for Justice David Souter of the U.S. Supreme Court.

He is the author of 10 books, including Divided by God: America’s Church-State Problem—and What We Should Do About It; What We Owe Iraq: War and the Ethics of Nation Building; Cool War: The United States, China, and the Future of Global Competition; Scorpions: The Battles and Triumphs of FDR’s Great Supreme Court Justices; and The Three Lives of James Madison: Genius, Partisan, President.

His upcoming book is Bad Jew: A Perplexed Guide to God, Israel, and the Jewish People, which is currently available for pre-order.

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Maggie Spivey-Faulkner is an anthropological archaeologist and practitioner of Indigenous archaeology, currently working as an assistant professor in the Department of Anthropology at the University of Alberta. She also serves as an assistant chief of the Upper Georgia tribal town of the Pee Dee Indian Nation of Beaver Creek, a state-recognized Native American group in South Carolina. Her work focuses on using anthropological data to upend harmful misconceptions of Native American peoples embedded in public policy, science, and the public consciousness.

Maggie was raised in a tight-knit extended family in rural Hephzibah, Georgia. She is an international fellow of The Explorers Club, a former junior fellow of the Harvard Society of Fellows, and a recipient of the National Science Foundation Graduate Research Fellowship. She received her Ph.D. in anthropology from Washington University in St. Louis in 2018 and her A.B. from Harvard College in 2008. 

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Joshua L. Steiner is a partner at SSW, a private investment firm, and a senior adviser at Bloomberg, L.P., where he was previously Head of Industry Verticals. Prior to joining Bloomberg, Steiner co-founded and was co-president of Quadrangle Group, LLC, a private equity and asset management firm. Before co-founding Quadrangle, he was a managing director at Lazard. From 1993 to 1995 he served as chief of staff for the U.S. Department of the Treasury.

He serves on the boards of Yale University, the International Rescue Committee, and the SNF Agora Institute at Johns Hopkins University. Steiner received a B.A. in history from Yale and an M.St. in modern history from Oxford University.

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[11:34] Defining “heresy.”

[14:22] Josh’s heresy: We need to teach listening over talking.

[32:48] Noah’s heresy: Constitutions are overrated.

[55:01] Maggie’s heresy: American middle-class culture is ruining everything.

[1:14:54] Tim’s heresy: We’re on the cusp of meaningfully communicating with animals.

[1:35:23] Kevin’s heresy: Human cloning is OK.

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Dr. Gül Dölen is an associate professor of Neuroscience at the Johns Hopkins University School of Medicine and a pioneer and world leader of psychedelics research. Her laboratory has discovered a novel mechanism that could account for the broad range of therapeutic applications that psychedelics are currently being tested for. Her lab has discovered a novel critical period for social reward learning and shown that this critical period can be reopened with psychedelic drugs, such as MDMA, LSD, psilocybin, ketamine, and ibogaine. Building on this discovery, she has formulated the hypothesis that psychedelics may be the long sought “master key” for unlocking critical periods across the brain. To test this hypothesis, she has initiated a nationwide collaborative effort to determine whether psychedelics reopen critical periods for ocular dominance plasticity, bird song learning, anatomical plasticity in the barrel cortex, serotonergic neuronal regeneration, dendritic spinogenesis, and motor learning.

Importantly, understanding psychedelics through this framework dramatically expands the scope of disorders (including autism, stroke, and allergies) that might benefit from adjunct therapy with psychedelics, an approach she has dubbed the PHATHOM project (Psychedelic Healing: Adjunct Therapy Harnessing Opened Malleability). 

Dr. Dölen earned her MD, PhD at Brown University and the Massachusetts Institute of Technology (MIT), where she carried out seminal work on critical periods, learning and memory, and the pathogenesis of autism. 

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[06:25] How Gül designed her own major as an undergrad.

[09:03] Philosophy of mind and theory of mind.

[13:33] What theory of mind in non-human species suggests.

[16:45] The origin of Gül's interest in autism.

[21:37] Autism facts vs. fiction.

[28:31] Critical periods.

[37:59] How critical periods apply to therapies for autism.

[43:37] Why might psychedelics allow us to reopen shut critical periods?

[49:25] MDMA and the octopus.

[52:40] Challenging popular notions about psychedelic research.

[54:52] Plasticity.

[1:00:26] Favorite neurotransmitter receptors.

[1:06:03] Can psychedelics cure allergies?

[1:14:00] Seeking a common pathway for the therapeutic effects of psychedelics.

[1:15:54] Potential applications for kappa-opioid agonists.

[1:17:02] Beta-arrestin developments.

[1:20:40] On Sasha Shulgin.

[1:26:19] Strokes.

[1:29:56] Cross-cultural considerations.

[1:33:26] What do these therapies look like 10 years from now?

[1:36:52] Gauging minimum effective dose.

[1:42:58] The funding frustrations that almost made Gül give up science.

[1:48:44] Taking risks.

[1:52:59] What would Gül change about the way research is funded today?

[1:55:57] Books most gifted.

[1:59:10] Parting thoughts.

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David Deutsch (@DavidDeutschOxf) is a visiting professor of physics at the Centre for Quantum Computation, a part of the Clarendon Laboratory at Oxford University, and an honorary fellow of Wolfson College, Oxford. He works on fundamental issues in physics, particularly the quantum theory of computation and information and especially constructor theory, which he is proposing as a new way of formulating laws of nature. He is the author of The Fabric of Reality and The Beginning of Infinity, and he is an advocate of the philosophy of Karl Popper. 

Naval Ravikant (@naval) is the co-founder of Airchat and AngelList. He has invested in more than 100 companies, including many mega-successes, such as Twitter, Uber, Notion, Opendoor, Postmates, and Wish. You can see his latest musings on Airchat and subscribe to Naval, his podcast on wealth and happiness, on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, Overcast, or wherever you get your podcasts. You can also find his blog at nav.al.

For more Naval-plus-Tim, check out my wildly popular interview with him from 2015 (nominated for “Podcast of the Year”) and our conversation from 2020. 

Naval also co-piloted the interviews with Ethereum creator Vitalik Buterin and famed investor Chris Dixon. 

Please enjoy!

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[08:03] The impact The Fabric of Reality and The Beginning of Infinity have had on Naval.

[10:07] The four strands.

[13:04] Dispelling common misconceptions about science.

[19:26] How does knowledge grow?

[24:26] The benefits of understanding the four strands.

[32:47] How quantum computing arose from trying to test a multiverse theory.

[37:40] What a good explanation looks like.

[42:43] How do conjecture and criticism give us a basis for optimism?

[48:38] Translating knowledge into action.

[51:20] Artificial intelligence (AI) vs. artificial general intelligence (AGI).

[56:54] AGI is people! But how do we ensure it’ll be good people?

[1:03:03] What’s taking AGI so long to get here?

[1:08:59] Chemical scum that dream of distant quasars.

[1:17:47] Are humans central to the universe, or just a sideshow?

[1:20:17] Wealth and resources.

[1:25:30] Recommended thinkers.

[1:28:05] Taking Children Seriously, ToKCast, Critical Rationalists, and Popper 101.

[1:31:55] David’s most interesting problems right now.

[1:39:24] Parting thoughts.

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Past guests on The Tim Ferriss Show include Jerry Seinfeld, Hugh Jackman, Dr. Jane Goodall, LeBron James, Kevin Hart, Doris Kearns Goodwin, Jamie Foxx, Matthew McConaughey, Esther Perel, Elizabeth Gilbert, Terry Crews, Sia, Yuval Noah Harari, Malcolm Gladwell, Madeleine Albright, Cheryl Strayed, Jim Collins, Mary Karr, Maria Popova, Sam Harris, Michael Phelps, Bob Iger, Edward Norton, Arnold Schwarzenegger, Neil Strauss, Ken Burns, Maria Sharapova, Marc Andreessen, Neil Gaiman, Neil de Grasse Tyson, Jocko Willink, Daniel Ek, Kelly Slater, Dr. Peter Attia, Seth Godin, Howard Marks, Dr. Brené Brown, Eric Schmidt, Michael Lewis, Joe Gebbia, Michael Pollan, Dr. Jordan Peterson, Vince Vaughn, Brian Koppelman, Ramit Sethi, Dax Shepard, Tony Robbins, Jim Dethmer, Dan Harris, Ray Dalio, Naval Ravikant, Vitalik Buterin, Elizabeth Lesser, Amanda Palmer, Katie Haun, Sir Richard Branson, Chuck Palahniuk, Arianna Huffington, Reid Hoffman, Bill Burr, Whitney Cummings, Rick Rubin, Dr. Vivek Murthy, Darren Aronofsky, Margaret Atwood, Mark Zuckerberg, Peter Thiel, Dr. Gabor Maté, Anne Lamott, Sarah Silverman, Dr. Andrew Huberman, and many more.

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John Vervaeke (@vervaeke_john) is a professor of psychology at the University of Toronto. He currently teaches courses on thinking and reasoning with an emphasis on cognitive development, intelligence, rationality, mindfulness, and the psychology of wisdom.

Vervaeke is the director of UToronto’s Consciousness and Wisdom Studies Laboratory and its Cognitive Science program, where he teaches Introduction to Cognitive Science and The Cognitive Science of Consciousness, emphasizing the 4E model, which contends that cognition and consciousness are embodied, embedded, enacted, and extended beyond the brain.

Vervaeke has taught courses on Buddhism and Cognitive Science in the Buddhism, Psychology, and Mental Health program for 15 years. He is the author and presenter of the YouTube series “Awakening from the Meaning Crisis” and his brand new series, ‘After Socrates.’

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[05:31] The four ways of knowing (4P).

[10:15] Affordances.

[13:04] Semantic memory.

[13:37] Flow.

[27:03] Did John find Tai Chi, or did Tai Chi find him?

[29:46] Leaving Christianity.

[34:42] Wisdom vs. knowledge.

[36:54] Self-deception.

[41:53] When is logic the illogical choice for solving a problem?

[46:05] The powers and perils of intuition.

[55:05] Spotting patterns that need breaking.

[59:18] Meditation vs. contemplation.

[1:05:30] Misunderstanding love.

[1:06:36] Circling.

[1:12:28] “God is related to the world the way the mind is related to the body.”

[1:14:34] A non-theist in the no-thingness.

[1:24:03] Responsive poiesis and Sufism.

[1:27:31] Neoplatonism.

[1:29:16] Seminal moments.

[1:31:36] Pierre Hadot.

[1:32:43] Two books.

[1:34:38] Potent poetry.

[1:37:40] The four Es.

[1:42:38] Two bonus Es.

[1:45:24] Heretical beliefs.

[1:54:12] Panpsychism.

[2:00:56] Most unusual modes of cognition.

[2:02:37] Jordan Peterson.

[2:10:27] Opponent processing.

[2:13:53] How to support friends endeavoring to lead meaningful lives.

[2:17:50] After Socrates.

[2:21:44] Western words.

[2:25:11] John’s changing perspective of experienced reality.

[2:28:01] Something old, something new.

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Past guests on The Tim Ferriss Show include Jerry Seinfeld, Hugh Jackman, Dr. Jane Goodall, LeBron James, Kevin Hart, Doris Kearns Goodwin, Jamie Foxx, Matthew McConaughey, Esther Perel, Elizabeth Gilbert, Terry Crews, Sia, Yuval Noah Harari, Malcolm Gladwell, Madeleine Albright, Cheryl Strayed, Jim Collins, Mary Karr, Maria Popova, Sam Harris, Michael Phelps, Bob Iger, Edward Norton, Arnold Schwarzenegger, Neil Strauss, Ken Burns, Maria Sharapova, Marc Andreessen, Neil Gaiman, Neil de Grasse Tyson, Jocko Willink, Daniel Ek, Kelly Slater, Dr. Peter Attia, Seth Godin, Howard Marks, Dr. Brené Brown, Eric Schmidt, Michael Lewis, Joe Gebbia, Michael Pollan, Dr. Jordan Peterson, Vince Vaughn, Brian Koppelman, Ramit Sethi, Dax Shepard, Tony Robbins, Jim Dethmer, Dan Harris, Ray Dalio, Naval Ravikant, Vitalik Buterin, Elizabeth Lesser, Amanda Palmer, Katie Haun, Sir Richard Branson, Chuck Palahniuk, Arianna Huffington, Reid Hoffman, Bill Burr, Whitney Cummings, Rick Rubin, Dr. Vivek Murthy, Darren Aronofsky, Margaret Atwood, Mark Zuckerberg, Peter Thiel, Dr. Gabor Maté, Anne Lamott, Sarah Silverman, Dr. Andrew Huberman, and many more.

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Jonathan Haidt (@jonhaidt) is a social psychologist at New York University’s Stern School of Business. Jonathan received his PhD from the University of Pennsylvania in 1992. His research examines the intuitive foundations of morality and how morality varies across cultural and political divisions. He is the author of The Happiness Hypothesis and the New York Times bestsellers The Righteous Mind and The Coddling of the American Mind (with Greg Lukianoff).

He has given four TED Talks, and in 2019 he was inducted into the American Academy of Arts and Sciences. Since 2018 Jonathan has been studying the contributions of social media to the decline of teen mental health and the rise of political dysfunction. He is currently writing two books: Kids in Space: Why Teen Mental Health Is Collapsingand Life after Babel: Adapting to a World We Can No Longer Share.

Please enjoy!

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[06:51] Richard Shweder.

[08:59] Making sense of assertions in anthropology.

[13:50] Why I invited Jon on the show.

[15:05] Moral relativism.

[21:24] How an emergentist views human rights violations.

[23:58] A turning point: why Jon almost never gets angry anymore.

[26:35] Taking LSD for the first time.

[32:21] My own transformative experience was happening simultaneously.

[34:15] Were my politics influenced or altered by this experience?

[40:17] What being a Jewish atheist means to Jon.

[45:13] From feud to friendship with Sam Harris.

[50:19] Complex dynamical system.

[54:36] How safe spaces and character cancellation took over colleges.

[1:00:50] Why did the University of Chicago initially resist this trend?

[1:02:13] What makes businesses more resilient against this trend than colleges?

[1:07:18] The University of Austin: a catalyst for academic reform?

[1:11:16] The aim of Jon’s Heterodox Academy.

[1:15:31] Distilling John Stuart Mill — the patron saint of viewpoint diversity.

[1:17:26] Aging out of anger and the disarming power of Daryl Davis.

[1:20:37] How to get smarter, stronger, and more sociable.

[1:22:55] After Babbel.

[1:24:46] What the holy and hitched can impart about happiness for the secular and single.

[1:29:20] What’s happening to Gen Z?

[1:32:17] Jon and his wife’s free-range parenting style for fostering independence.

[1:37:30] Group sports vs. individualist sports.

[1:40:40] A tough coach or teacher tests limits and taps potential.

[1:46:38] Developing intellectual antifragility.

[1:49:27] Jon’s billboard.

[1:52:00] Revisiting practical philosophies when times get tough.

[1:57:20] Parting thoughts.

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Seth Godin (@ThisIsSethsBlog) is the author of 19 international bestsellers translated into more than 35 languages, including Tribes, Purple Cow, Linchpin, The Dip, and This Is Marketing. He writes daily at Seths.blog, which is one of the most popular blogs in the world. He’s also the founder of the altMBA and The Akimbo Workshops, online seminars that have transformed the work of thousands of people. He writes about the post-industrial revolution, the way ideas spread, marketing, quitting, leadership, and most of all, changing everything. He is also the author of The Practice: Shipping Creative Work.

In this episode, we explore many topics, including:

• The value of hacks
• The magic of Hamilton
• What learning to juggle and cultivating creativity have in common
• The myth of quality
• What Seth means by “Don’t steal the revelation.”
• Focusing on generosity instead of anxiety
• Choosing the ruleset of your own game of life
• How Joni Mitchell eschewed the safety of the sinecure
• What you would do if you knew you would fail?

Please enjoy!

This episode was originally published in 2020: https://tim.blog/2020/10/26/seth-godin-the-practice/

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Insights from Tara Brach, Ryan Holiday, Maria Popova, and Cal Newport | Brought to you by Maui Nui Venison wildly delicious venison, Eight Sleep’s Pod Cover sleeping solution for dynamic cooling and heating, and Athletic Greens all-in-one nutritional supplement.

Welcome to another episode of The Tim Ferriss Show, where it is usually my job to deconstruct world-class performers to tease out the routines, habits, et cetera that you can apply to your own life. 

This episode is something different. It’s an experimental format that I’m super excited about, and it’s back by popular demand.

This is an episode that scratches an itch I’ve had for years. I am not always able to listen to every great podcast episode out there, even when they are by some of my closest friends. The answer to my predicament was to ask them to send me a top segment from their podcast that I could listen to and—more importantly—also share with you, my dear listeners. 

My team edited them together, and here we are! This episode is a compilation of 15-to-30-minute clips from some of the best podcasters—and also best interviewees—in the world and certainly some of my favorites.

At the beginning of each clip, you will hear an intro from the host and where to find their work and podcast. At the end, I’ll also share one or two of my favorite clips from episodes of The Tim Ferriss Show.

You can view this episode as a buffet, and I strongly suggest that you check out the shows included. If you like my podcast, you will very likely enjoy the featured shows in this episode.

And before you go: Do you like this format? Please let me know on Twitter at @tferriss and also mention @TeamTimFerriss.

Please enjoy!

Tara Brach: 00:08:39

Ryan Holiday: 00:40:00

Maria Popova: 00:53:01

Cal Newport: 01:12:41

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Right now, Athletic Greens is offering you their Vitamin D Liquid Formula free with your first subscription purchase—a vital nutrient for a strong immune system and strong bones. Visit AthleticGreens.com/Tim to claim this special offer today and receive the free Vitamin D Liquid Formula (and five free travel packs) with your first subscription purchase! That’s up to a one-year supply of Vitamin D as added value when you try their delicious and comprehensive all-in-one daily greens product.

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Welcome to another episode of The Tim Ferriss Show, where it is my job to deconstruct world-class performers to tease out the routines, habits, et cetera that you can apply to your own life. 

This is a special inbetweenisode, which serves as a recap of the episodes from last month. It features a short clip from each conversation in one place so you can easily jump around to get a feel for the episode and guest.

Based on your feedback, this format has been tweaked and improved since the first recap episode. For instance, @hypersundays on Twitter suggested that the bios for each guest can slow the momentum, so we moved all the bios to the end. 

See it as a teaser. Something to whet your appetite. If you like what you hear, you can of course find the full episodes at tim.blog/podcast. 

Please enjoy! 

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Timestamps:

Roelof Botha: 00:03:17

Will MacAskill: 00:08:46

Russ Roberts: 00:14:02

Andrew Weil: 00:23:47

Tim Q&A: 00:27:54

Full episode titles:

Roelof Botha — Investing with the Best, Ulysses Pacts, The Magic of Founder-Problem Fit, How to Use Pre-Mortems and Pre-Parades, Learning from Crucible Moments, and Daring to Dream (#618)

Will MacAskill of Effective Altruism Fame — The Value of Longtermism, Tools for Beating Stress and Overwhelm, AI Scenarios, High-Impact Books, and How to Save the World and Be an Agent of Change (#612)

Russ Roberts on Lessons from F.A. Hayek and Nassim Taleb, Decision-Making Insights from Charles Darwin, The Dangers of Scientism, Wild Problems in Life and the Decisions That Define Us, Learnings from the Talmud, The Role of Prayer, and The Journey to Transcendence (#613)

Dr. Andrew Weil — The 4-7-8 Breath Method, Cannabis, The Uses of Coca Leaf, Rehabilitating Demonized Plants, Kava for Anxiety, Lessons from Wade Davis, The Psychedelic Renaissance, How to Emerge from Depression, Tales from 50+ Visits to Japan, Matcha Benefits, and More (#615)

Q&A with Tim on Wealth and Money, Book Recommendations, Advice on Taking Advice, C.S. Lewis, Relationships, Behavior Change and Self-Awareness, Why We Are All (Mostly) Making It Up as We Go, and Much More (#614)

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Dr. Andrew Weil — The 4-7-8 Breath Method, Cannabis, The Uses of Coca Leaf, Rehabilitating Demonized Plants, Kava for Anxiety, Lessons from Wade Davis, The Psychedelic Renaissance, How to Emerge from Depression, Tales from 50+ Visits to Japan, Matcha Benefits, and More | Brought to you by Levels real-time feedback on how diet impacts your health, Athletic Greens all-in-one nutritional supplement, and LMNT electrolyte supplement. More on all three below.

Andrew Weil, MD (@DrWeil) is a pioneer in the field of integrative medicine. He has been named one of the 100 most influential people in the world by Time magazine.

Dr. Weil received a degree in biology (botany) from Harvard College in 1964 and an MD from Harvard Medical School in 1968. From 1971 to 1975, as a fellow of the Institute of Current World Affairs, Dr. Weil traveled widely in North and South America and Africa collecting information on drug use in other cultures, medicinal plants, and alternative methods of treating disease. From 1971 to 1984 he was on the research staff of the Harvard Botanical Museum and conducted investigations of medicinal and psychoactive plants.

Dr. Weil is the founder and director of the Andrew Weil Center for Integrative Medicine at the University of Arizona, where he also holds the Lovell-Jones Endowed Chair in Integrative Medicine and is Clinical Professor of Medicine and Professor of Public Health. Through its fellowship and Integrative Medicine in Residency curricula, the Center is now training doctors and nurse practitioners around the world.

A New York Times best-selling author, Dr. Weil has written 15 books on health and well-being, including Mind Over Meds; Fast Food, Good Food; True Food; Spontaneous Happiness; Healthy Aging; and Eight Weeks to Optimum Health. He is also co-founder of the restaurant chain True Food Kitchen and co-founder of Matcha.com, which offers extremely high-quality matcha that is difficult to find outside of Japan.

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[07:56] What is the 4-7-8 breath?

[10:15] As an early advocate, what is Dr. Weil’s current relationship with cannabis?

[11:28] Overcoming the stigma of coca leaves to realize their medical benefits.

[14:17] What is The Beneficial Plants Research Association?

[16:30] Thoughts on kava and its effect on sleep quality.

[19:49] Where to learn more about kratom and mitragynine.

[20:51] Andrew’s experience with Bufo alvarius.

[22:05] Why Andrew and Wade Davis are reviving The Beneficial Plants Research Association.

[25:27] Andrew recounts a Richard Evans Schultes story.

[27:13] Andrew’s brief career as a letter-writing prankster.

[29:06] Covering the first wave of psychedelic research at Harvard.

[34:15] The positives and negatives of psychedelics going mainstream.

[36:11] Taxonomy and the origin of Psilocybe weilii.

[37:58] How did Andrew emerge from dysthymia in his early fifties?

[39:54] Lessons learned on visits to Japan and Okinawa.

[45:19] Health benefits of fermented turmeric and matcha tea.

[49:50] How L-theanine modifies the effects of caffeine.

[52:19] How Andrew’s parents encouraged him to always be curious (but careful).

[55:36] Getting older and future plans.

[58:11] Why you should check out The Andrew Weil Center for Integrative Medicine.

[58:54] What Andrew believes gets missed most by current psychedelic exploration.

[1:02:00] Parting thoughts.

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Welcome to another episode of The Tim Ferriss Show, where it is my job to deconstruct world-class performers to tease out the routines, habits, et cetera that you can apply to your own life. 

This is a special inbetweenisode, which serves as a recap of the episodes from last month. It features a short clip from each conversation in one place so you can easily jump around to get a feel for the episode and guest.

Based on your feedback, this format has been tweaked and improved since the first recap episode. For instance, @hypersundays on Twitter suggested that the bios for each guest can slow the momentum, so we moved all the bios to the end. 

See it as a teaser. Something to whet your appetite. If you like what you hear, you can of course find the full episodes at tim.blog/podcast. 

Please enjoy! 

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Timestamps:

Terry Crews: 00:01:27

Tony Fadell: 00:11:16

Donald Hoffman: 00:17:57

Kevin Rose: 00:24:20

A.J. Jacobs: 00:35:05

Bo Shao: 00:41:37

Tom Morello: 00:56:07

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Full episode titles:

Terry Crews on Masculinity, True Power, Therapy, and Resisting Cynicism 

Tony Fadell of iPod, iPhone, and Nest Fame — Stories of Steve Jobs on “Vacation,” Product Design and Team Building, Good Assholes vs. Bad Assholes, Investing in Trends Before They Become Trends, The Hydrogen Economy, The Future of Batteries, and More

Professor Donald Hoffman — The Case Against Reality, Beyond Spacetime, Rethinking Death, Panpsychism, QBism, and More

The Random Show with Kevin Rose — Current Books, Men’s Groups, Tuna Helper, the Latest in NFTs, Fierce Intimacy, and More

A.J. Jacobs — How to Be Less Furious and More Curious

Bo Shao — His Path from Food Rations to Managing Billions, the Blessings and Burdens of Chasing Perfection, Building the eBay of China in 1999, Pillars of Parenting, and Pursuing the Unpopular

Tom Morello of Rage Against the Machine Fame — Fear{less} with Tim Ferriss

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Welcome to another episode of The Tim Ferriss Show, where it is my job to deconstruct world-class performers to tease out the routines, habits, et cetera that you can apply to your own life.

In this episode, past podcast guest Cal Newport interviews me for an article he ended up writing for The New Yorker titled “Revisiting ‘The 4-Hour Workweek’: How Tim Ferriss’s 2007 manifesto anticipated our current moment of professional upheaval.”

Who is Cal? Cal Newport (calnewport.com) is an associate professor of computer science at Georgetown University who previously earned his PhD from MIT. His scholarship focuses on the theory of distributed systems, while his general-audience writing explores intersections of culture and technology.

Cal is the author of seven books, including, most recently, Deep Work, Digital Minimalism, and A World Without Email. He is also a contributing writer for The New Yorker and the host of the Deep Questions podcast.

You can find my interview with Cal at tim.blog/calnewport, and you can find the 2007 talk at SXSW that launched everything at tim.blog/sxsw.

Please enjoy!

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Some of the first cracks in my post-Princeton life that hinted at the unsustainable nature of Silicon Valley workaholic culture and led me toward a realization that The 4-Hour Workweek might be a book worth writing. [07:36]

The fatal flaw in my first startup that ensured I wouldn’t be able to easily sell it. [17:22]

A snapshot of Silicon Valley in the early 2000s: a prototyping and testing ground for new technologies and a hotbed of hustling. [22:16]

Cal says I mentioned email four times in the opening six minutes of my first South by Southwest talk. In retrospect, what bigger problems did this portend, and how was my approach somewhat transgressive, considering the audience? [26:44]

Defying the cult of productivity to be more effective than efficient with the 80/20 principle (aka Pareto’s law). [39:43]

On slow productivity and playing your own game while understanding the rules by which other people play theirs.[44:33]

How the launch of this podcast was, in a sense, a reexamination of what my own game was after working on The 4-Hour Chef turned out to be more a labor of labor than love. [47:57]

My mindset going into that first South by Southwest speech in 2007 and how I tried to make the pain points of efficiency relatable rather than presenting them as judgment against my go-getting, startup-hustling audience. [50:41]

If prioritizing your own self-care inconveniences other people from time to time, so be it. (To the people pleasers in the audience, please reread that last sentence to yourself a little louder until it sticks.) [53:50]

After the South by Southwest speech, what was the general reception like? What points seemed to resonate most with people? [56:44]

How a mutual friend put concepts presented in The 4-Hour Workweek to work and changed his own life, how some of those concepts that were radical when the book was published 15 years ago are now considered commonplace, and which concepts I hope continue to gain momentum. [1:00:56]

How the COVID-19 pandemic suddenly made the work-disrupting scenarios posited in The 4-Hour Workweek viable alternatives to the status quo rather than intangible, impossible thought experiments, though some challenges remain. [1:06:40]

Pop culture references to The 4-Hour Workweek and common misinterpretations of its primary tenets that come from casual skimming and second-hand sources. [1:10:38]

Digging deeper, why do so many readers who pick up the bestselling productivity and time management books seem to miss the points they’re really trying to make? [1:15:57]

Cal’s optimistic parting thoughts that society is finally catching up with what The 4-Hour Workweek was trying to convey. [1:20:58]

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Donald Hoffman ( @donalddhoffman) received a PhD in computational psychology from MIT and is a Professor Emeritus of Cognitive Sciences at the University of California, Irvine. He is an author of over 120 scientific papers and three books, including The Case Against Reality: Why Evolution Hid the Truth from Our Eyes. He is the recipient of the Distinguished Scientific Award of the American Psychological Association and the Troland Research Award of the US National Academy of Sciences.

His writing has appeared in Scientific American, New Scientist, LA Review of Books, and Edge, and his work has been featured in Wired, Quanta, The Atlantic, Ars Technica, National Public Radio, Discover Magazine, and Through the Wormhole with Morgan Freeman. His TED Talk, titled “Do We See Reality as It Is?,” has almost 4M views.

Please enjoy!

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What was the Helmholtz Club, and how did it spark a scientific exploration into the meaning of consciousness? [06:19]

What is consciousness? [11:24]

How should we understand our perceptions and their relationship to reality? David walks us through the desktop interface metaphor as presented in his 2015 TED Talk, and explains why it’s unlikely (with a probability of zero) that human beings evolved to behold the naked entirety of reality. [14:08]

Why does Donald, as a cognitive neuroscientist, find this era of physicists exploring consciousness and the nature of an underlying reality we haven’t evolved to see so exciting? Also: is spacetime doomed? [20:31]

Will science ever arrive at a theory of everything? [33:00]

What is the holographic model of the universe? [37:13]

What might things look like in the next decade or two as we begin to fundamentally revise how we think of reality, matter, and the interplay of consciousness? [43:09]

How does Donald scientifically explore the concept of conscious agents? [49:48]

Is consciousness localized, or does the brain “receive” it from elsewhere? [53:20]

How does Donald think about death? [58:55]

What are Markovian dynamics? [1:05:27]

Supplementary information that might help someone who’s struggling to understand parts of this conversation. [1:07:14]

What is panpsychism, and who are some of the most influential panpsychists? [1:08:38]

Which aspects of the way we interface with reality give us effective portals into life or consciousness? [1:12:11]

Probing the deeper reality suggested by the amplituhedron, associahedron, and cosmological polytope. [1:14:51]

At which hallowed institutions are these explorations of consciousness and the nature of a deeper reality being researched, and who is leading the charge? [1:20:18]

Donald’s thoughts on the use of hallucinogenic drugs to tap into deeper reality and interact with conscious agents. [1:21:22]

Exploring a theory involving portals and morphogenesis. [1:23:18]

It’s worth considering ethnobotanical and ethnographical studies that may give us more focused insight into consciousness through a non-Western lens and even have us questioning if plants can be considered a sentient part of this consciousness. [1:27:20]

On Chris Fuchs and the outer fringes of Quantum Bayesian — aka QBism. [1:35:38]

The experiments Donald would conduct in his research with unlimited funding over the next 10 years, and with whom he would choose to work. [1:40:31]

What is Donald reading these days? [1:42:43]

Donald names some of his long-time collaborators who pair mathematics with spiritual practice, and describes how he reconciles the two in his own work. [1:47:34]

How much pushback has Donald suffered for bringing spirituality into his scientific endeavors? Has any of it been constructive? [2:00:51]

How does fitness payoff function work in evolutionary theory, and how does this support the probability of zero that humans evolved to see reality in full? [2:03:27]

Parting thoughts. [2:05:46]

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Neil Gaiman — The Interview I've Waited 20 Years to Do | Brought to you by Athletic Greens all-in-one nutritional supplement and 5-Bullet Friday, my very own email newsletter.

Neil Gaiman (@neilhimself) is the bestselling author and creator of books, graphic novels, short stories, film and television for all ages, including Neverwhere, Coraline, The Graveyard Book, The Ocean at the End of the Lane, The View from the Cheap Seats and the Sandman series of graphic novels. His fiction has received Newbery and Carnegie Medals, and Hugo, Nebula, World Fantasy, Bram Stoker, and Will Eisner Awards, among many other awards and honors.

His novelistic retelling of Norse myths, Norse Mythology, has been a phenomenon, and an international bestseller, and won Gaiman his ninth Audie Award (for Best Narration by the Author).

Recently Gaiman wrote all six episodes of, and has been the full-time showrunner, for the BBC/Amazon Prime mini-series adaptation of Good Omens, based on the beloved 1990 book he co-wrote with Terry Pratchett.

Many of Gaiman’s books and comics have been adapted for film and television including Stardust (starring Robert De Niro and Michelle Pfeiffer), Coraline (an Academy Award nominee and the BAFTA winner for Best Animated Film), and How to Talk to Girls at Parties, a movie based on Gaiman’s short story. The television series Lucifer is based on characters created by Gaiman in Sandman. His 2001 novel, American Gods, is a critically acclaimed, Emmy-nominated TV series, now entering its second season.

In 2017, Neil Gaiman became a Goodwill Ambassador for UNHCR, the UN Refugee Agency. Originally from England, he lives in the United States, where he is Professor in the Arts at Bard College.

Please enjoy!

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This episode originally aired in 2019. You can find the show notes here: https://tim.blog/2019/03/28/neil-gaiman/

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How long has this interview been in the making? [09:37]

An early interview failure that Neil resolved to never repeat. [10:47]

On separating home life from work life and the writing habits of Maya Angelou and Ian Fleming. [15:55]

Neil’s biggest rule for writing. [20:16]

Neil’s process for writing first drafts. [23:35]

What Neil aims to accomplish with his second drafts. [25:49]

Something Neil noticed when he first started writing and editing with the use of computers. [26:28]

What notebooks does Neil prefer for writing first drafts? [29:13]

Fountain pens Neil has known and loved. [35:21]

How many book signings does it take to get to the bottom of a Pilot 823’s structural capacity? How about Neil’s signing hand? How many such pens given in sacrifice by Neil’s three-year-old will appease his house gods? [39:39]

Neil’s journey from manual typewriter to electric typewriter to computer to notebook, and the power of trivializing weighty endeavors — whether they’re writing novels or going for gold medals. [41:49]

How Coraline went from being an unpublishable labor of love for Neil’s children to an award-winning novella. [47:48]

Does Neil tend to work on multiple projects at once? [53:22]

Why does Neil take particular delight in writing introductions to other people’s work? [55:24]

At what time of day does Neil prefer to work, and has this changed over the years? [56:50]

Advice to aspiring novelists about finding a routine: The more you can be like Phil Connors in Groundhog Day, the better. [59:35]

The importance of understanding that just because we do something one way today doesn’t mean we’ll be doing it that way tomorrow. [1:01:28]

How a touching post on Neil’s blog (which I recommend everyone read) inspired me to adopt my own dog, Molly. [1:03:16]

What’s the genesis story of The Graveyard Book? [1:04:10]

Neil makes the case for giving the ensemble version of The Graveyard Book a listen. [1:15:29]

Who was Terry Pratchett, and how did he and Neil strike up a friendship? [1:16:24]

On working with Douglas Adams and the germ of the idea that became Neil and Terry’s collaboration, Good Omens. [1:20:12]

Neil shares his preposterous writing schedule from simultaneously working on Good Omens, Sandman, and The Books of Magic — something only someone very insane (or very young) could possibly handle. [1:23:08]

Why, after so many misfires trying to get Good Omens on the screen, we’ll finally see an uncompromising television adaptation soon. [1:24:30]

Where to find out more about Good Omens — the book and the series. [1:30:58]

What does Neil feel he learned most from his “apprenticeship” with Terry? [1:32:40]

How did Terry approach his own mortality when he learned he had Alzheimer’s disease? [1:34:45]

Before he passed away, Terry opened up a controversial dialogue around the right to die for people with terminal diseases like Alzheimer’s. What is Neil’s view? [1:38:14]

What would Terry think of the Good Omens series and its related fanfare? How might things have gone differently if he’d been directly involved in production? [1:39:50]

Time flies when you’re interviewing Neil Gaiman. (For the record, I hope to fly again sooner than later.) [1:45:09]

Parting thoughts. [1:46:03]

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At age 40, Rich Roll (@richroll) made the decision to overhaul the sedentary throes of overweight middle age. Walking away from a career in law, he reinvented himself as a globally recognized ultra-distance endurance athlete, bestselling author, and host of the wildly popular Rich Roll Podcast, one of the world’s most listened to podcasts, with more than 200 million downloads.

Named one of the “25 Fittest Men in the World” by Men’s Fitness and the “Guru of Reinvention” by Outside magazine, Rich shares his inspirational story of addiction, redemption, and athletic prowess in his bestselling memoir, Finding Ultra, and in the cookbooks/lifestyle guides The Plantpower Way and The Plantpower Way: Italia, which he co-authored with his wife Julie Piatt.

Rich is a graduate of Stanford University (where he was a member of their dynastic, multiple-NCAA-championship men’s swimming program) and Cornell Law School. He has been featured on CNN and on the cover of Outside and has been profiled in The New York Times, Forbes, ESPN, and many other prominent media outlets.

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Prior to turning things around at age 40, what role had alcohol played in Rich’s life, and when did he realize it was a problem? How bad did it get? [07:27]

Why did Rich decide to pursue a career in law? [16:09]

What was the last straw that made Rich decide to seek help for his addiction to alcohol? How old was he, what was going on in his life at the time, and what form did this help take? [18:26]

What does Rich notice people commonly missing when he retells his story of addiction recovery and lifestyle changes that led him to become the person he is today? [27:45]

As Dr. Gabor Maté says: “Don’t ask why the addiction, ask why the pain.” What tools have most helped Rich understand and manage his own addiction? [33:51]

Was the decentralized nature of Bill Wilson’s Alcoholics Anonymous basically blockchain before blockchain was cool? [40:45]

Rich says that addiction is “a spectrum so broad that almost anybody can find themselves somewhere along the line.” Even if you might not consider yourself an addict, the tools of addiction recovery can often be used to help you break bad patterns you find yourself repeating. [43:45]

Having trouble cultivating good habits (like regular exercise)? Remember: “Mood follows action.” [48:36]

Why (and how) did Rich turn his physical health around at age 40? [50:52]

Rich’s most worthwhile investment of time, money, or energy. [57:59]

Rich’s advice for anyone trying to make positive changes in their own life — whether it’s building a small, beneficial habit, picking up a new set of skills, or overhauling their physical regimen for maximum results. [1:03:55]

Zone 2 training thoughts, experiences, and recommendations. [1:14:59]

How — and why — did Rich get in the habit of regularly sleeping in a tent on his roof? How does he maximize benefits and alleviate potential dangers of this unorthodox practice? [1:24:34]

By not scheduling commitments before noon, what does Rich’s daily architecture look like? How often does he succeed in fending off disruptions to this schedule? [1:32:00]

How Rich got to the point where he commits to living a month off the grid every year, what he does to ensure that it happens, and how he benefits from this practice. [1:38:37]

An aside: Rich asks me to share what I experienced off the grid recently in Antarctica. [1:42:41]

What would Rich’s billboard say? [1:49:49]

What is Rich most excited about for the year ahead? [1:52:32]

What Rich would ask the audience to consider and parting thoughts. [1:56:51]

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