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    #644: Jonathan Haidt — The Coddling of the American Mind, How to Become Intellectually Antifragile, and How to Lose Anger by Studying Morality

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    Jonathan Haidt (@jonhaidt) is a social psychologist at New York University’s Stern School of Business. Jonathan received his PhD from the University of Pennsylvania in 1992. His research examines the intuitive foundations of morality and how morality varies across cultural and political divisions. He is the author of The Happiness Hypothesis and the New York Times bestsellers The Righteous Mind and The Coddling of the American Mind (with Greg Lukianoff).

    He has given four TED Talks, and in 2019 he was inducted into the American Academy of Arts and Sciences. Since 2018 Jonathan has been studying the contributions of social media to the decline of teen mental health and the rise of political dysfunction. He is currently writing two books: Kids in Space: Why Teen Mental Health Is Collapsingand Life after Babel: Adapting to a World We Can No Longer Share.

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    [06:51] Richard Shweder.

    [08:59] Making sense of assertions in anthropology.

    [13:50] Why I invited Jon on the show.

    [15:05] Moral relativism.

    [21:24] How an emergentist views human rights violations.

    [23:58] A turning point: why Jon almost never gets angry anymore.

    [26:35] Taking LSD for the first time.

    [32:21] My own transformative experience was happening simultaneously.

    [34:15] Were my politics influenced or altered by this experience?

    [40:17] What being a Jewish atheist means to Jon.

    [45:13] From feud to friendship with Sam Harris.

    [50:19] Complex dynamical system.

    [54:36] How safe spaces and character cancellation took over colleges.

    [1:00:50] Why did the University of Chicago initially resist this trend?

    [1:02:13] What makes businesses more resilient against this trend than colleges?

    [1:07:18] The University of Austin: a catalyst for academic reform?

    [1:11:16] The aim of Jon’s Heterodox Academy.

    [1:15:31] Distilling John Stuart Mill — the patron saint of viewpoint diversity.

    [1:17:26] Aging out of anger and the disarming power of Daryl Davis.

    [1:20:37] How to get smarter, stronger, and more sociable.

    [1:22:55] After Babbel.

    [1:24:46] What the holy and hitched can impart about happiness for the secular and single.

    [1:29:20] What’s happening to Gen Z?

    [1:32:17] Jon and his wife’s free-range parenting style for fostering independence.

    [1:37:30] Group sports vs. individualist sports.

    [1:40:40] A tough coach or teacher tests limits and taps potential.

    [1:46:38] Developing intellectual antifragility.

    [1:49:27] Jon’s billboard.

    [1:52:00] Revisiting practical philosophies when times get tough.

    [1:57:20] Parting thoughts.

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    🔑 Key Takeaways

    • Questioning the dominant view can help us become more creative and open-minded thinkers.
    • Embrace moral relativism to gain a greater understanding of the world and its many cultures, and make more informed decisions.
    • Morality is a complex concept with universal truths and cultural differences, and we should strive to be proactive in protecting human rights.
    • We should strive to make changes to ensure equality in evolving societies, and understand the systems to make them better.
    • Travel can help open one's eyes to new cultural norms, leading to a more meaningful understanding of the world.
    • Foreign travel helps one understand and question cultural conventions, and accepting responsibility contributes to a more conservative outlook.
    • Appreciate the power of labels and the value of culture, and strive for reconciliation and understanding.
    • Respecting each other's opinions and values, focusing on commonalities, and cooperating can help us progress together.
    • We need to understand incentives that drive our behavior and be mindful of the impact of our actions to move forward in a world of diverse beliefs.
    • The University of Chicago has been able to resist pressure from students due to its strong moral resources and sense of identity, allowing it to stay true to its core values.
    • Companies need to focus on their core mission to be successful, and this was popularized when Netflix introduced mission-focused policies.
    • University of Austin provides an alternative to the Ivy League model, focusing on classic education, practicality, and lower costs.
    • Heterodox Academy creates a platform for people of all beliefs to come together and learn from each other, promoting scientific progress, intellectual exploration, debate, and creativity.
    • Seek out criticism, engage with those who disagree, and listen to understand before expecting to be understood.
    • Gaining control of your attention and challenging yourself can lead to success in work and relationships, and ultimately to happiness.
    • Religion, marriage, and community are essential for achieving happiness, especially for Gen Z, who have unique experiences.
    • Parents should set limits on screen time and encourage their children to explore the environment, interact with others, and practice self-governance to gain the skills needed for adulthood.
    • Group activities, such as multiplayer video games and sports, and summer camps can help children learn important skills and increase their confidence in dealing with uncertainty. Physical activity in group sports should also be considered.
    • Coaches should strive to push their students to exceed their own limitations, helping them unlock their potential and reach heights they never thought possible.
    • Understanding what lies beyond one's perspective and looking at all perspectives without picking and choosing can help students unlock their potential and overcome the mind's worst disease - 'for and against'.
    • Taking time to practice ancient philosophies such as Buddhism and Stoicism can help us remain calm and unperturbed in the face of any situation and find joy in the sorrows of the world.
    • Take time in the morning for activities that help you reflect, get involved in organizations that promote constructive dialogue, and remember to be kind before making strong statements.

    📝 Podcast Summary

    Questioning the Dominant View

    One of the most important lessons in life is to question everything.Jonathan Haidt learned this from his mentor Richard Shweder, a cultural anthropologist at the University of Chicago.Jonathan was studying morality across cultures and social classes, and Shweder encouraged him to question the dominant view and explore different perspectives.With this motto in mind, “If someone asserts it, try denying it and see if that makes sense.If someone denies it, try asserting it and see if that makes sense.” Jonathan was able to gain valuable insight and become a better thinker.This lesson can be applied to any situation and can help us all become more creative and open-minded.

    Gaining a Greater Understanding of the World by Embracing Moral Relativism

    It is important to understand different cultures and perspectives - no two cultures are the same and it is essential to have an open mind and respect for other people’s beliefs.However, it is also important to be aware of our own biases and prejudices when it comes to moral relativism.We must not be too quick to judge cultures and practices which we may not agree with, but still take the time to question and investigate before forming a final opinion.By doing this, we can develop a greater understanding of the world and its many cultures, allowing us to make more informed decisions and be better contributors to the world.

    Examining the Complexity of Morality

    Morality is an important and complex concept, which has been pondered for centuries.There are multiple ways of looking at it, from a single, binary perspective to analysing it from different dimensions.It can be seen as a real thing, with laws that must be followed, or as something that changes depending on culture and context.Evolutionary psychology and anthropology can help us to understand that there are both universal truths, as well as cultural differences.We can define a moral truth as something that is true relative to humans, and it is up to us to find what moral truths exist.It is possible for there to be multiple moral truths, and that these are emergent from our interactions with each other.In the modern world, when faced with global events, we should consider how we can proactively push back against human rights violations.

    Striving for Equality in Evolving Societies

    Modern societies are constantly evolving, and equality is becoming a focus.We are now much more aware of civil rights and the importance of not discriminating against anyone due to their gender, religion, race, or any other factor.We can look at certain practices, such as veiling, and judge whether they are acceptable or not.We should not too quickly condemn a practice if it is accepted by a culture, because the victims may not accept it.We must look at it on a case by case basis and make a judgement.Brutal practices, such as chattel slavery or widow burning, are obviously wrong and unacceptable in any society.We should strive to make changes and undermine such practices.Jonathan Haidt had an experience that changed his perspective, and made him much less likely to get angry.He now looks at systems and tries to understand how to make them better.He believes that if someone is oppressing a whole society, we should take action and strive to make a change.

    A Transformative Experience: Jonathan Haidt and Tim Ferriss

    A transformative experience can be life-changing, and this was certainly the case for both Jonathan Haidt and Tim Ferriss.Through travel, Jonathan experienced a spiritual awakening that allowed him to see the world in a new way, while Tim's exchange in Japan helped him to question his beliefs and opened his eyes to new cultural norms.Both of them were able to use this newfound perspective to learn, grow and develop in new ways.By being exposed to alternative ways of thinking, they were able to open their minds and challenge their existing beliefs, leading to a more meaningful understanding of the world.

    Questioning Cultural Conventions and Accepting Responsibility

    Traveling to Japan at the age of 15-16 opened Tim Ferriss’s eyes to the cultural conventions that have been accepted as a norm.It enabled him to question these conventions, and understand that they were not laws of physics.Jonathan Haidt's comment of 'Jewish atheist' reminded Tim of the research on how we create stories about ourselves, and how these stories are wide open from the age of 14-15.It also reminded him of the research which states that foreign travel makes people more progressive and liberal, while accepting responsibility makes people more conservative.He found himself resonating with the culture of Japan, a warm bath of sorts, and it made him realize that the journey of life is one of questioning and accepting responsibility.

    Embracing Labels and Cultures for Reconciliation

    This story is about understanding the importance of labels and identities.Jonathan Haidt is a Jewish atheist who explains that although he doesn't believe in God, Judaism is still part of his identity.He explains that being Jewish is a part of a larger story and culture that has had its ups and downs in history.He also talks about the importance of having an assimilationist culture, which allows different ethnic and religious groups to come together.Finally, he talks about how he and a friend, Sam Harris, had a feud, but were eventually able to reconcile and become friends.This story demonstrates the importance of understanding the power of labels, the value of culture, and the potential for reconciliation.

    Respect and Reasoning Lead to Reconciliation

    The story of Jonathan Haidt and Sam Harris is an inspiring one.They had a "feud" of sorts, but eventually their shared passion for evidence-based reasoning and their mutual respect for each other's courage and conviction led to a reconciliation.This story can teach us several things: that disagreements can be put aside if we focus on what we have in common, that being respectful of each other's opinions and values is key, and that no matter how heated our debates become, working together can lead to great things.Complex dynamical systems, like the human mind, can be unpredictable and chaotic, but with a focus on understanding and cooperation, we can all make great progress.

    Understanding the Impact of Social Media Platforms on Society

    The human mind is capable of understanding two different types of systems.The first is mechanical systems where we are able to predict the movement of objects.The second is complex dynamical systems which are more unpredictable and can lead to surprising outcomes.Social media platforms have changed the nature of connection between people, as we have gone from talking with each other to talking at each other.This shift has led to an increase in performance and viral behavior which has had a negative impact on society.The University of Chicago was able to challenge this by taking a proactive approach and encouraging a more constructive outlook.We need to understand the incentives that drive our behavior and be mindful of the impact of our actions.We must find a way to move forward in a world where we can no longer share a common understanding of truth.

    Resisting Pressure and Staying True to Core Values

    The University of Chicago has a unique identity as an institution that values intellectual pursuits and rigor.This has been a key factor in why it has been an outlier in the current trend of caving to demands from students.The majority of universities have fallen to pressure from students, often in the form of 'darts' thrown on social media.The University of Chicago has been able to resist this due to its strong moral resources and sense of identity which prioritize higher level thought and discussion over easily offended students.This has allowed the University to stay true to its core values and not be swept up in the mob mentality that has become so pervasive in universities today.

    Robert Zimmer's Focus on Ideas and Discussion at Chicago University

    Chicago University was known as the worst party school in America, but their leader Robert Zimmer changed all of that.He encouraged the students to focus on ideas and discussion rather than outrage mobs and caving to demands.He wanted to ensure that the classrooms were not safe spaces, but places where people could freely express their views without fear of criticism.Companies also need to have this focus, as they need to make money and be tied to the real world.To do this, many Right-leaning CEOs, such as Brian Armstrong of Coinbase, have introduced mission-focused policies, which emphasize providing a great service to customers rather than trying to fix issues in the world.This idea was popularized when Netflix also introduced mission-focused policies, showing that companies can still be successful when they focus on their core mission.

    Swinging Back to Business: Revolutionizing the University Model

    Netflix CEO's progressive approach to company values has inspired many business leaders, who are tired of the woke culture.The pendulum is swinging back in business, however not yet seen on campuses.To disrupt the expensive and declining university model, the University of Austin has been created with an exciting, team-based approach to education.Despite some criticism, the university is determined to provide an alternative to the Ivy League model.Through its focus on a classic education, practicality and lower costs, University of Austin is looking to revolutionize the way universities operate.

    Breaking Down the Walls of Polarization with Heterodox Academy

    Heterodox Academy is a great example of how to make a difference in the world without engaging in a culture war.By creating a platform for people of all beliefs to come together and learn from each other, they are able to break down the walls of polarization.This was inspired by a talk given in 2011 by Jonathan Haidt, where he discussed the need for viewpoint diversity in social psychology.He argued that a diverse array of perspectives is necessary for scientific progress.This idea was taken up by Heterodox Academy and has since spread to other fields such as law and sociology.John Stuart Mill is an important thinker in this domain and his quote, “He who knows only his own side of the case, knows little of that”, speaks to the importance of understanding different perspectives.By working with Heterodox Academy, we can restore the joy of intellectual exploration, debate, and creativity that universities should be known for.

    Understanding and Engaging with Viewpoint Diversity

    John Stuart Mill’s “On Liberty” is key in understanding the importance of viewpoint diversity.It is a long book, so Heterodox Academy created a shortened version with illustrations.The free ebook teaches us to seek out criticism and to engage with those who disagree with us in order to improve our thought.Daryl Davis is an inspiring example of understanding others before expecting to be understood.He listened to a Ku Klux Klan members and eventually developed a friendship.The same can be done to improve our morality, to become smarter and less isolated, and to be happier.

    Balancing Love and Work for Success

    Success in life comes from balancing love and work, as Sigmund Freud said.To be smarter, stronger and more sociable, you must gain control of your attention and reduce moralism.To be stronger, you must challenge yourself and expose yourself to threats and dangers.To be more sociable, you must learn to really listen to people.Achieving these things will lead to success in work and relationships, thus leading to happiness.

    Understanding Gen Z for Achieving Happiness

    Religion, marriage, and being part of a community are key factors in happiness.This has long been backed up by research and was observed by Émile Durkheim in his study of suicide in the 1890s.He found that the suicide rate was lower when people were bound together and had a sense of meaning.Today, this is still true for both religious and secular people, with religious people tending to be happier due to their weekly participation in a community with moral principles and sense of uplifting.Gen Z, born after 1996, have unique experiences which we must try to understand in order to help them find happiness.

    The Growing Up Years in Post-War Society Vs. Technology-Driven Society

    Growing up in the post-war world was different compared to today's technology-driven society.Gen Z is defined by the fact that they got smartphones and social media during early puberty and this has been linked to increased rates of anxiety, depression, and self-harm.It is important for children to practice independence and self-governance from a young age, as well as have time away from screens and social media.Parents should set limits on screen time, as well as encourage their children to explore their environment and interact with their peers in real life.This will help them to gain the skills needed for adulthood in a healthy and balanced way.

    Exploring Independence and Interacting in a Group Environment

    Children should be encouraged to explore their independence and interact in a group environment.Group activities, like multiplayer video games and sports, are a great way to encourage this.Parents should search for a summer camp where the kids have the freedom to explore and take risks, while being supervised.This will help them develop important skills and increase their confidence in managing uncertainty.Physical activity in group sports is especially beneficial for children and should be considered for those who are able to.

    Unlocking Potential Through Tough yet Caring Coaching

    The coach, John Buxton, had high standards and was very tough in pushing his students to meet those standards.He would not tolerate any excuses and was himself an outstanding wrestler who could go toe to toe with anyone in the group.Despite the tough coaching style, his athletes felt he saw something in them that they couldn't easily see, and he was pushing them to unlock that potential.This tough, yet caring, coaching style enabled them to exceed their own limitations and reach heights they didn't know were possible.It is this telos of teaching that all teachers should strive for, to help their students unlock their own potential and reach heights that they never thought possible.

    Unlocking Potential and Overcoming the Mind's Worst Disease

    Education is not only about learning and teaching, but also unlocking the untapped potential of students.A good teacher will be relentless in helping students realize their potential and never give up even when they face difficulties.Taking a step back to see the bigger picture and understanding what lies beyond the boundaries of one's own perspective is essential to grow intellectually.Learning to open one's mind and heart and listening to the different sides is what will help students succeed.The best way to learn is to not pick and choose, but to look at all perspectives and come to a conclusion based on the facts.This will help students overcome the mind's worst disease - 'for and against'.

    Cultivating Equanimity in a Chaotic World

    We all have moments of worry and distress, especially in today's chaotic world.But we should strive to keep our minds clear and focused.We can do this by avoiding moralism and judgement and trying to understand the complexities of situations without letting our emotions take over.This can be done by looking to ancient philosophies, such as Buddhism and Stoicism, which share the common theme of cultivating equanimity, or the ability to remain calm and unperturbed in the face of any situation.Taking time to practice these philosophies daily, such as reading the works of Marcus Aurelius or Epictetus, can help us to find joy in the sorrows of the world and approach life with a warrior's spirit.

    Questioning Feelings for Wisdom and Kindness

    It is important to take time to question our feelings and learn from the wisdom of the past.This can be done in the morning by making time for activities like reading or meditation, taking a break from our phones, and even making a hot beverage to start the day.We can also use our research and experience to help others, by getting involved with organizations like HeterodoxAcademy.org, ConstructiveDialogue.org and LetGrow.org.Finally, let us all remember to be kinder than necessary and pause before making strong statements.

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    #734: In Case You Missed It: March 2024 Recap of "The Tim Ferriss Show"

    #734: In Case You Missed It: March 2024 Recap of "The Tim Ferriss Show"

    This episode is brought to you by 5-Bullet Friday, my very own email newsletter.

    Welcome to another episode of The Tim Ferriss Show, where it is my job to deconstruct world-class performers to tease out the routines, habits, et cetera that you can apply to your own life. 

    This is a special inbetweenisode, which serves as a recap of the episodes from last month. It features a short clip from each conversation in one place so you can easily jump around to get a feel for the episode and guest.

    Based on your feedback, this format has been tweaked and improved since the first recap episode. For instance, listeners suggested that the bios for each guest can slow the momentum, so we moved all the bios to the end. 

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    Barbara Corcoran: 00:05:10

    Seth Godin: 00:08:11

    Hugh Howey: 00:15:44

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    Legendary Actor Scott Glenn — How to Be Super Fit at 85, Lessons from Marlon Brando, How to Pursue Your Purpose, The Art of Serendipity, Stories of Gunslingers, and More (#729)

    Barbara Corcoran — How She Turned $1,000 into a $5B+ Empire: PR Stunts, Sales Techniques, Critical Early Wins, Fighting Trump, and Becoming a Real Estate Mogul (#725)

    Seth Godin — Coaching Tim on Overcoming Resistance, Lessons from Isaac Asimov, Writing Secrets After 8,500+ Daily Blog Posts, The Dangers of Authenticity, Practices for Consistency, and Much More (#728)

    Hugh Howey, Author of Silo and Wool — A Masterclass on Writing, Unorthodox Self-Publishing, and Living in The AI Age (#726)

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    #733: Live 10th Anniversary Random Show with Kevin Rose — Exploring What’s Next, Testing Ozempic, Modern Dating, New Breakthrough Treatments for Anxiety, Bitcoin ETFs, Mike Tyson vs. Jake Paul, and Engineering More Awe in Your Life

    #733: Live 10th Anniversary Random Show with Kevin Rose —  Exploring What’s Next, Testing Ozempic, Modern Dating, New Breakthrough Treatments for Anxiety, Bitcoin ETFs, Mike Tyson vs. Jake Paul, and Engineering More Awe in Your Life

    This week is officially the podcast’s 10-year anniversary, and there is no better way to commemorate such a wild milestone than with Kevin Rose and a little tequila. As many listeners know, Kevin was my very first guest for episode 1, way back in April 2014. Timestamps for this episode are available below.

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    [07:20] First live Random Show?

    [07:50] Reasons to celebrate.

    [08:30] How long can this go on?

    [10:15] Mmm…Mmm.

    [11:53] Inflection points.

    [13:00] Interesting over impulse.

    [14:46] Bitcoin ETFs.

    [17:22] PROOF news.

    [18:41] What’s Kevin’s next project?

    [21:15] Don’t DIY your TMS.

    [22:57] The SAINT protocol and accelerated TMS.

    [23:42] Kevin wonders how magnets work.

    [24:27] How accelerated TMS has helped me.

    [28:02] Consumer access to accelerated TMS.

    [31:50] How TMS feels, and other possible uses.

    [32:49] Potential downsides.

    [35:10] How to find out more about accelerated TMS.

    [38:18] How to appear human in social situations.

    [45:20] Jinjer and Sohn.

    [46:24] Android and Gemini.

    [48:41] Content production and future fame.

    [49:58] Jake Paul vs. Mike Tyson.

    [52:02] Kevin’s deflated balls.

    [55:49] My single life.

    [59:39] Extending experiential lifespan.

    [1:06:12] This is (Henry Shukman’s) The Way.

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    #732: Martha Beck — The Amazing and Brutal Results of Zero Lies for 365 Days, How to Do a Beginner “Integrity Cleanse,” Lessons from Lion Trackers, and Novel Tactics for Reducing Anxiety

    #732: Martha Beck — The Amazing and Brutal Results of Zero Lies for 365 Days, How to Do a Beginner “Integrity Cleanse,” Lessons from Lion Trackers, and Novel Tactics for Reducing Anxiety

    Dr. Martha Beck has been called “the best-known life coach in America” by NPR and USA Today. She holds three Harvard degrees in social science and has published nine non-fiction books, one novel, and more than 200 magazine articles. Her recent book, The Way of Integrity: Finding the Path to Your True Self, was an instant New York Times Best Seller.

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    #731: Dr. David Spiegel, Stanford U. — Practical Hypnosis, Meditation vs. Hypnosis, Pain Management Without Drugs, The Neurobiology of Trance, and More

    #731: Dr. David Spiegel, Stanford U. — Practical Hypnosis, Meditation vs. Hypnosis, Pain Management Without Drugs, The Neurobiology of Trance, and More

    Dr. David Spiegel is Willson Professor and Associate Chair of Psychiatry & Behavioral Sciences, Director of the Center on Stress and Health, and Medical Director of the Center for Integrative Medicine at Stanford University School of Medicine, where he has been a member of the academic faculty since 1975. He is the founder of Reveri, the world's first interactive self-hypnosis app.

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    Timestamps:

    [07:00] How Herbert Spiegel was exposed to hypnosis.

    [10:14] Using hypnosis to cure non-epileptic seizures.

    [11:53] What is a forensic psychiatrist?

    [14:43] How hypnosis works.

    [17:54] Hypnosis and the flow state.

    [21:03] How hypnosis differs from meditation.

    [22:38] Determining one’s susceptibility to hypnosis.

    [27:21] I take the eye-roll test.

    [29:33] Thoughts on EMDR.

    [36:29] Therapeutic psychedelics and ego dissolution.

    [41:05] Potential adverse effects of hypnosis?

    [42:34] Accelerated TMS improves response to hypnosis.

    [44:25] Hypnosis as a tool for stress and pain relief.

    [48:56] David treats my back pain with hypnosis.

    [57:09] Replicating this effect with self-hypnosis.

    [57:57] Understanding the science of pain relief.

    [1:03:18] Filtering the hurt from the pain.

    [1:06:37] For us, not against us.

    [1:09:12] Hypnosis vs. other addiction interventions.

    [1:11:41] A mesmerizing tale of hypnotic history.

    [1:16:10] Most surprising patient outcomes.

    [1:24:53] Finding connection to treat the agitated.

    [1:28:40] Who is Reveri designed for?

    [1:31:15] Hypnosis as a first rather than last resort.

    [1:35:02] Further resources and final thoughts.

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    #730: Reed Hastings, Co-Founder of Netflix — How to Cultivate High Performance, The Art of Farming for Dissent, Favorite Failures, and More

    #730: Reed Hastings, Co-Founder of Netflix — How to Cultivate High Performance, The Art of Farming for Dissent, Favorite Failures, and More

    Reed Hastings became executive chairman of Netflix in 2023, after 25 years as CEO. He co-founded Netflix in 1997. Reed is also a majority owner of Powder Mountain. He is currently on the board of several educational organizations including KIPP and Pahara.

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    Timestamps:

    [06:34] Alfred Lee Loomis and Tuxedo Park.

    [07:53] Risk tolerance: nature or nurture?

    [10:56] Cultivating culture that “eats strategy for lunch.”

    [15:41] The logic behind generous severance.

    [17:02] Adapting to Pure chaos.

    [18:44] Reference checking potential hires.

    [20:29] Context vs. control.

    [22:35] Radical candor.

    [24:15] Guardrails for maintaining work/life balance.

    [27:04] Farming for dissent.

    [28:39] Believing in the green crystals.

    [30:54] High-performance team, not family.

    [31:59] The keeper test.

    [32:49] Fire and replace, or replace and fire?

    [33:59] Beyond Entrepreneurship and other recommended reading/viewing.

    [37:46] A favorite failure.

    [40:32] Outstanding leaders.

    [41:10] Reed’s two “religions.”

    [42:19] Powder Mountain.

    [44:44] How Powder Mountain differs from Reed’s other projects.

    [46:24] Powder Mountain’s biggest challenges ahead.

    [47:02] Could Reed ever really retire?

    [47:19] Best investments of time, energy, or money.

    [48:49] How can we improve education in the US?

    [52:48] What class would Reed teach?

    [53:59] Juggling projects without losing focus.

    [55:04] Philanthropy: Why Africa?

    [55:32] Being “big-hearted champions who pick up the trash.”

    [56:28] Reed’s billboard.

    [58:01] Parting thoughts.

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    #729: Legendary Actor Scott Glenn — How to Be Super Fit at 85, Lessons from Marlon Brando, How to Pursue Your Purpose, The Art of Serendipity, Stories of Gunslingers, and More

    #729: Legendary Actor Scott Glenn — How to Be Super Fit at 85, Lessons from Marlon Brando, How to Pursue Your Purpose, The Art of Serendipity, Stories of Gunslingers, and More

    Scott Glenn’s acting career spans nearly 60 years. His impressive film resume includes performances in Apocalypse Now, Urban Cowboy, The Right Stuff, Silverado, The Hunt for Red October, The Silence of the Lambs, Backdraft, The Virgin Suicides, and The Bourne Ultimatum. This year, Scott will return to HBO to join season 3 of The White Lotus.

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    Timestamps:

    [07:10] Idaho vs. Los Angeles.

    [13:26] Apocalypse Now, self-confidence soon after.

    [17:26] Burt Lancaster’s movie star lessons.

    [23:06] The birth and death of Wes Hightower.

    [32:22] Catching the attention of James Bridges.

    [35:42] Scarlet fever.

    [37:29] From Marine to police reporter.

    [42:12] Berghof Studios and parental advice.

    [50:44] Converting to Judaism.

    [53:36] Lao Tzu: the ultimate mystic?

    [58:16] Letting go with Killer Joe.

    [1:02:53] “Crazy Whitefella Thinking.”

    [1:08:31] Getting out of the way and Erwan Le Corre.

    [1:11:51] Lessons from the “morally phenomenal” Marlon Brando.

    [1:16:26] How Scott’s childhood bout with scarlet fever informed his life’s course.

    [1:19:05] Daily routines and exercises of an in-shape 85-year-old.

    [1:35:12] Securing a serendipitous skill set.

    [1:42:13] Thailand talk.

    [1:46:18] Increasing surface luck.

    [1:47:04] How Scott met and fell in love with his wife.

    [1:53:04] “Just dance.”

    [1:53:46] Mistakenly calling Rudolf Nureyev Russian.

    [1:55:57] Poetry.

    [2:00:01] What Laurence Olivier knew about the value of tenacity.

    [2:01:41] Parting thoughts.

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    #728: Seth Godin — Coaching Tim on Overcoming Resistance, Lessons from Isaac Asimov, Writing Secrets After 8,500+ Daily Blog Posts, The Dangers of Authenticity, Practices for Consistency, and Much More

    #728: Seth Godin — Coaching Tim on Overcoming Resistance, Lessons from Isaac Asimov, Writing Secrets After 8,500+ Daily Blog Posts, The Dangers of Authenticity, Practices for Consistency, and Much More

    Seth Godin is the author of 21 international bestsellers that have changed the way people think about work. Seth’s books include Tribes, Purple Cow, Linchpin, The Dip, and This Is Marketing. Seth writes one of the most popular marketing blogs in the world, and two of his TED talks are among the most popular of all time. His latest book is The Song of Significance: A New Manifesto for Teams

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    Timestamps:

    [06:14] Writing a provocation rather than a prescription.

    [13:08] Divvying up concepts.

    [16:25] Comprehension over complication.

    [18:58] How Seth fulfills a blog post’s purpose.

    [22:28] Claude AI vs. ChatGPT.

    [23:41] How Seth Godin as a Service (SGaaS) maintains consistency.

    [27:23] Simplification over exaggeration.

    [31:56] Working with Isaac Asimov and getting a Clue.

    [36:53] How Seth moves life’s story forward (even when he loves the current chapter).

    [43:28] Why does Seth write?

    [44:59] Is an ounce of prevention worth a pound of sinecure?

    [45:15] Parting thoughts.

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    #727: In Case You Missed It: February 2024 Recap of "The Tim Ferriss Show"

    #727: In Case You Missed It: February 2024 Recap of "The Tim Ferriss Show"

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    Cal Newport — How to Embrace Slow Productivity, Build a Deep Life, Achieve Mastery, and Defend Your Time (#722)

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