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    Change always creates resistance and fear. As we move through this crisis, let us take the chance to re-align our focus to what's important and to what we each can do to create change, empathy, and community.
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    Tamsin Astor - A Pillar of Pleasure

    Tamsin Astor - A Pillar of Pleasure

    No stone left unturned in this one. Tamsin Astor is fearless, peripatetic (as in she's been all over the place geographically and educationally), and embracing. I would love to get together with all the back2different community, walk together for a while, then just sit and listen. I am very blessed to be part of this wondrous crowd, and Tamsin is no exception.
    Tamsin and I run through the Irish goodbye, the dance of the universe, being a good faker, feeling too much, change as life, and all within the organizing principle of A Pillar of Pleasure.
    Put your top down and have fun.

    Jim Burke - Be Careful Not to Should All over Yourself

    Jim Burke - Be Careful Not to Should All over Yourself

    Jim Burke appeared through my connection with Craig James, and each connection enriches the other. I finally got some time with Jim and off we went, looking carefully into kinds of questions, since the questions we ask, not the answers we find, shape our reality. We batted around living through "Have you thought about this?"
    We agreed that we both don't know nothin' and just had a grand time traveling through our stories together, both having reached a wonderful step in our road and reaching this conclusion: Be careful not to should all over yourself. Join us for some fun, please.

    Phil Williams - Sit in the Dining Car with Total Strangers

    Phil Williams - Sit in the Dining Car with Total Strangers

    I hate scratching my head with "I wonder what s/he meant by that?"
    First of all, I'm an inept fill-in-the-unspoken-part practitioner.
    Hence my pleasure at getting together with Phil Williams. He wears no barriers and carries no shields. We travel through Stevens-Johnson Syndrome, time in the burn unit, his family and their home, music, and 'the great perhaps,' among other things. 
    We both dreamed of being engineers, the choo-choo kind, but for very different reasons. Nothing is out of bounds, including his argument why we might consider the advantage if we can sit in the dining car with total strangers.

    Ileana Ferber - This is Your Hummingbird

    Ileana Ferber - This is Your Hummingbird

    So Ileana and I explore trees, quiet, burls, pushing less and being more, Cra-Cra, chickens, naps, a sky with no airplanes, and "the moment you start laughing at yourself, that's when you're free."

    Ileana grew up in Venezuela, worked 24 years with Exxon Mobile, then skipped out (like a happy child) to found Colibri Business Development. She helps local and international businesses, especially those in the energy market, with their growth and development.

    Once she went out on her own, she realized this is your hummingbird.

    She's transparent, excited, and a joy.

    Ozlem Brooke Erol - Everybody is Waiting for Friday

    Ozlem Brooke Erol - Everybody is Waiting for Friday

    Brooke left behind her home country - Turkey -  and her successful career at IBM to find a new home - San Diego - and to start her own consulting businesses:

    purposeful.business is a site for the organizational side of work, yourbestlifeinc.com is for individuals.

    She made her giant step as she realized that who she was, the singular and only Ozlem, was vanishing. Her humanity and identity were falling away as a requisite for success in the world of corporate homogeneity. She's fun, smart, shining with the energy that builds when we focus on becoming ourselves, not ego but survival.

    We talk about loyalty, millennials, values, success, and why change toward humanity at work is "common sense but not commonplace,"  for starters.

    Join us, please, for our questions and conversation about why Everybody is Waiting for Friday.

    Craig James - I'm Going Wonderment

    Craig James - I'm Going Wonderment

    Craig James is my trust talker. We never plan nothin'. One of us brings a thought, an idea, an event, a confusion, and then we start bouncing around like the lights from a mirror ball. It's fun, comfortable, and fearless. 

    Without intent, without control, no matter how far we go, the conversation brings us back to where we started. It's not linear and it's not mysterious, it's just true. Give us a listen as we both realize I'm going wonderment. Buckle up!

    Melissa Hughes - That Three Pound Wrinkly Mass Between Your Ears

    Melissa Hughes - That Three Pound Wrinkly Mass Between Your Ears

    What a combo of insight and humility is Melissa.  I know, that sounds like the first line of a sonnet - she and I tend toward the childlike and the fun. In our time with microphones, we explore -

    The Rat Tickler
    What's my Cat Hair?
    Math tests and egg timers
    "I don't just hire people who are smarter than me, I listen to them."
    Glial cells - the day shift and the night shift
    Cortisol overproduction and brain cell erosion - 

    and then we get down to some serious stuff. Please join us as we hike within that three-pound wrinkly mass between your ears.

    Roger Martin, Colin Smith, and Mac Bogert: "The Rise of the Feminine."

    Roger Martin, Colin Smith, and Mac Bogert: "The Rise of the Feminine."

    In any conversation that includes Roger and Colin, I wait comfortably in silence for their contributions. What I get for a small investment of patience is wisdom, empathy, and self-effacing humor.

    When I asked Roger to contribute to Gender Crap, he hedged a bit. It turns out what he saw (or heard, I suppose) in the title was very different from my intent, which led to a wonderful conversation followed by his remarkable contribution.

    Please join us as Roger reads, and the three of us explore, the complexity and insight of "The Rise of the Feminine."

    BTW, Gender Crap will publish May 30th, 2023 and the ebook is available right now at https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0C4QB1XMQ. The price is $2.95, free with Kindle Unlimited. Any proceeds go the Doctors Without Borders.

    Byron and Mariah Edgington - In some ways, the year in Vietnam was the safe part.

    Byron and Mariah Edgington - In some ways, the year in Vietnam was the safe part.

    Byron Edgington and Mariah Edgington pay complement to each other very well indeed. They don't complete each others' sentences - a practice I find quickly tiring - but they never fail to leave the other space to help populate the insight of whatever we're trying to understand. They are both and separately devoted to opening up possibilities, and they are part of a growing critical mass of those who are candid, humane, and do not suffer BS gladly. We explore the 60s, legacy, service and more as they help me understand that in some ways, the year in Vietnam was the safe part.

    Vura Julius-orage - Poetry, the Sound of our Story

    Vura Julius-orage - Poetry, the Sound of our Story

    Vura's voices are a joy.
    His speaking voice, his perspective, and his poetry, each rings straight and true. We both love writing and it brings us such pleasure that we spend a good part of this episode laughing. Vura serves on the Hertfordshire County Council in the UK and has a background in project management, as well as giving his time and energy to youth and recovery work. For two people of different generation, location, and race, we find a foundation of brotherhood, and isn't that what's it's all about? Take a listen as we talk and as Vura reads a marvelous poem, Tranquil in the Hill , during our exploration of Poetry, the Sound of our Story.
    Vura is also a featured contributor ("The Agenda") to the upcoming book. Gender Crap, to be released May 15, 2023.

    Andee Scarantino - The World Just Opened

    Andee Scarantino - The World Just Opened

    Andee  and I discovered a parallel journey of confronting and casting off outmoded ways of thinking - "the lies we chose to believe . . . I just learned it that way." 
    We've both had winding journeys - I won't say career because neither of us has been that linear. And during the bumps and chasms of those journeys, we both found that once we started being clear and honest, The World Just Opened. 
    Enjoy!

    Joseph Carrabis - The Light in their Eyes

    Joseph Carrabis - The Light in their Eyes

    I grew up engulfing as much science fiction - and, later, what would be labeled speculative fiction - as possible, so connecting with Joseph Carrabis was a natural. Like me, he loves to write and is fearless in his exploration of ideas, plot, character and things in general. He's served as a mathematician, data scientist, chief research officer and, well, you get the picture. Join us as we talk about the light in their eyes.

    Bruno Cignacco - Treating Employees Well is Good Business

    Bruno Cignacco - Treating Employees Well is Good Business

    Bruno grabbed me from our first conversation. He is candid, smart, and powered by a strong sense of innovation and empathy. His book, The Art of Compassionate Business, is interesting as well as compelling. I have not finished it - full disclosure - and I'm caught up by his perspective. We talk about qualitative analysis, education, replacing Human Resources (yuck) with Human Assets, a dialogue that circles and goes back to his, and my, central thesis: Treating Employees Well is Good Business.

    Eric Zabiegalski - Something Interesting is Going to Happen

    Eric Zabiegalski - Something Interesting is Going to Happen

    The Rise of the Ambidextrous Organization is Eric's remarkable contribution to our understanding of a new way of thinking and of doing business.

    He and I have a romp through thinking, childhood, the creative machine, "you're not your brain," and The Memory Palace. Then we really hit the ground running. He and I connect like a couple of long-lost friends washed ashore together on a deserted isle.

    Join us. As far as the future is concerned,  we both have no doubts that something interesting is going to happen.

    Susan Sneath - What is the wit that would heal us?

    Susan Sneath - What is the wit that would heal us?

    Susan Sneath and I share the experience of working as an actor, a tendency toward being wildly candid, and a willingness to boldly go . . . . 
    I had a tough time with the title for this episode - I'm looking at a list of nine quotes from Susan that would be bang-up for where we went, but I think this is the best to capture her enthusiasm and courage.
    Acting, health, vulnerability, respect, dignity, hope, life, and more are among the hairpin turns we make together as we try to figure out what is the wit that would heal us?
    Tea of any sort and a small scone are the prefect accompaniment for this episode.

    Ryan Maloney - Without a good drummer and bass player, your band's gonna suck

    Ryan Maloney - Without a good drummer and bass player, your band's gonna suck

    I'm reminded again how much we need, and how quickly we move toward, friendship during this dislocation. Ryan Maloney and I both played in many bands for years and years. We both played in rhythm sections (bass for me and drums for him), which creates a special bond. Most of us know, though we're not aware of it, that without a good drummer and bass player, your band's gonna suck.
    We also cover life, mental health, isolation, happiness, art, spirit, and the crushing experience of corporate culture. Join us, feel the drummed bass of your favorite music, and enjoy the ride!

    Jonathan Fable - as if nothing happened

    Jonathan Fable - as if nothing happened

    Okay, so we cover . . .
    mental health
           being incarcerated
                AI
                   hallucinating
                       graffiti
                            feeding the hungry ghost . . .
    and that's just for starters. 
    Jonathan is the author of Mission2Moga, a very interesting dystopian novel. He was a fixture among the crews of Brooklyn by age five, and, as Mark Twain suggested, "never let my schooling interfere with my education." 
    Fasten your shoulder harness for our trip while we look back as if nothing happened.

    Aileda Lindal - It's Time to Get our Asses Busy and Build. Period.

    Aileda Lindal - It's Time to Get our Asses Busy and Build. Period.

    A wild and variegated journey with Aileda Lindal leads us through neuroscience, epigenetics, quantum physics and being human. We share a love of ideas and a generative attitude about this time in which we find ourselves.
    With all we know and are finding out about what makes us tick (and stumble), there is so much carryover of retroactive expectations and assumptions, so much we allow to stand in our way. May be it really is time to get our asses busy and build. Period. Enjoy!