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    436. What Your Left Brain Won’t Tell Your Right Brain | Dr. Iain McGilchrist

    Consciousness is a fundamental aspect of the universe, interconnected with the divine, which is also relational and in need of connection and love. Consciousness is a manifestation of the divine.

    enApril 01, 2024

    About this Episode

    Dr. Jordan B. Peterson sits down in-person with psychiatrist, researcher, and philosopher Dr. Iain McGilchrist. They discuss right brain/left brain hemispheric specialization, the basis of delusion, “unknowing” as a necessary step toward wisdom, consciousness and the divine ground of being, and the imposition of mediocrity in the modern West.

     

    Dr. Iain McGilchrist is a psychiatrist, neuroscience researcher, philosopher and literary scholar. He is a Quondam Fellow of All Souls College, Oxford, an Associate Fellow of Green Templeton College, Oxford, a Fellow of the Royal College of Psychiatrists, and former Consultant Psychiatrist and Clinical Director at the Bethlem Royal & Maudsley Hospital, London. He has been a Research Fellow in neuroimaging at Johns Hopkins Hospital, Baltimore and a Fellow of the Institute of Advanced Studies in Stellenbosch. He has published original articles and research papers in a wide range of publications on topics in literature, philosophy, medicine and psychiatry. He is the author of a number of books, but is best-known for The Master and his Emissary: The Divided Brain and the Making of the Western World (Yale 2009). In November 2021 his two-volume work The Matter with Things: Our Brains, Our Delusions, and the Unmaking of the World was published by Perspectiva Press.

     

     

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    🔑 Key Takeaways

    • Nature has given us a dual brain, essential for functioning in the environment, with hemispheric specialization allowing both connection and distinction, and attention shaping our perception of the world according to our values.
    • The brain filters information based on novelty and familiarity, with the right hemisphere perceiving the whole and the left hemisphere focusing on details. This interplay allows us to understand the relationship between parts and the whole, and the role of creativity in filtering information.
    • As we age, we lose the ability to perceive things individually and instead categorize them, leading to a loss of quality in our understanding. Wordsworth's poetry emphasizes the importance of returning to the present and the individuality of our experiences to truly grasp complex knowledge.
    • The left hemisphere focuses on consistency, while the right hemisphere values comprehensiveness. Over-reliance on one can lead to incorrect conclusions and ideological reduction. Intuitions, though fallible, hold valuable information.
    • Over-relying on hemisphere theory can oversimplify social relationships, ignoring facts and intuition. Consider both hemispheres for a balanced understanding.
    • The right hemisphere shapes our thoughts, emotions, and social intelligence, and provides a more accurate and holistic understanding of truth compared to the left hemisphere's linear and sequential approach.
    • Science and spirituality offer unique perspectives on reality. Acknowledging their interconnectedness and the coincidence of opposites leads to a more nuanced understanding.
    • The speaker advocates for a more balanced approach to thinking and decision-making, incorporating the right hemisphere's intuition and emotional intelligence, and emphasizes the importance of values in understanding reality and navigating the complexities of the cosmos.
    • The Old Testament depicts God as the balance between positive emotions (call) and negative emotions (conscience). The left hemisphere of the brain, associated with reductionist thinking, can mirror this dynamic but, when misused, can lead to destructive consequences.
    • Recognizing uncertainty is not a sign of weakness but an opportunity for growth. Embrace unknowing and adopt a more open and humble attitude to access the richness of the unconscious mind and foster growth.
    • Consciousness is a fundamental aspect of the universe, interconnected with the divine, which is also relational and in need of connection and love. Consciousness is a manifestation of the divine.
    • The creative process involves both distance and closeness, opposition and permanence, shaping our perception of facts through attention and valuing.
    • Questioning our perceptions and considering alternative possibilities can reveal the spiritual, emotional depth of things and enrich our lives, while closing ourselves off risks mental illness and a crime-ridden population.
    • The Old Testament emphasizes the importance of focusing on relational unity, as exemplified in Christ's commandment to love God and others, for personal growth and a harmonious life.
    • A balanced perspective between left (logic, control) and right (creativity, spirituality) hemispheres is crucial for understanding the world and maintaining a spiritual connection. Imbalance can lead to societal and environmental issues.
    • Recognize and honor callings as expressions of our deeper purpose, appreciate interconnectedness and fluidity of all things, and embrace the present moment in a constantly evolving world
    • Being fully present can lead to heightened intuition and a sense of timelessness, but over-reliance on rules and algorithms can hinder the development of true expertise. In mental health assessment, empathetic and attuned interactions are crucial for effective understanding and support.
    • Authors who prioritize depth and complexity in their work may initially face lower sales but ultimately find success in engaging readers with intellectually meaty and spiritually enriching content.
    • The speaker argues that religious experiences should introduce us to something transcendent, not just make us feel comfortable, and warns against commercialization and secularization in religious institutions.

    📝 Podcast Summary

    Understanding Hemispheric Specialization and Its Impact on Perception

    Miguel Chris is the significance of hemispheric specialization and its impact on our perception of the world. Dr. Chris, an expert in this field, emphasizes that nature has given us a duality, not a division, in the form of two hemispheres in the brain, connected by the corpus callosum. This duality is essential for functioning in the environment, allowing both connection and distinction. The host and Dr. Chris also explore the relationship between attention and morality, with the belief that attention is a valuing process, meaning the world manifests itself according to our aims and values. This realization is both interesting and terrifying, as it suggests the world is shaped by our perspective. Additionally, they touch upon the importance of understanding the purpose of hemispheric specialization and the role of the corpus callosum in communication between the hemispheres.

    Understanding the Brain's Filtering Process

    Our brains function as filters, permitting consciousness and filtering out information based on novelty and familiarity. The right hemisphere is responsible for quick, overall perception, while the left hemisphere simplifies and focuses on details. This interplay between unity and multiplicity is essential for understanding perception and the relationship between parts and the whole. The brain's function can be compared to the endless unfolding of a flower, with newness and diversification fulfilling the potential of the whole rather than threatening its integrity. The concepts of newness and familiarity, as well as parts and the whole, are crucial in understanding the brain's filtering process and the role of creativity in filtering and filtering out information. The brain's function is not an "all or nothing" phenomenon but rather a complex interplay of various processes that work together to allow us to perceive and make sense of the world around us.

    Understanding Complex Knowledge: From Perception to Language

    Our perception of the world around us goes through different levels of processing, from the raw perception of patterns in the world, to behavioral adaptation, imaginative representation, and linguistic abstraction. However, as we get older, we tend to lose the ability to perceive things in their individuality and instead put them into categories, leading to a loss of quality in our understanding. Wordsworth's poetry reflects this loss of connection to the present and the importance of returning to the individuality of our experiences. The author's vision of hierarchical mapping suggests that we first grasp things behaviorally, then imagine them, and further compress that into language. Experience is initially taken in at a bodily level, but we create patterns and understand things through the frontal lobes of both hemispheres. The author's schema may be overly simplistic, but it highlights the importance of returning to the present and the individuality of our experiences in order to truly understand complex knowledge.

    Understanding the Dichotomy of Conscious and Unconscious Mind

    Our conscious awareness represents only a small fraction of our total cognitive functions, and the unconscious realm, though less understood, holds a much richer and interconnected web of knowledge and intuitions. The left hemisphere, specialized in abstracting and simplifying, can lead us to incorrect conclusions when taken too far. Meanwhile, the right hemisphere, more attuned to truth to experience, is better at accepting new information and adapting to it. The ongoing debate between consistency and comprehensiveness is crucial in understanding the dichotomy between the two hemispheres. The left hemisphere's over-reliance on internal consistency can lead to confabulation and ideological reduction, as seen in radical leftist thinking, which can be compared to the story of Cain and Abel, where one party feels victimized and becomes bitter and resentful. Ultimately, intuitions, though fallible, should not be disregarded as they hold a wealth of information that abstracted thinking may overlook.

    Simplifying Social Relationships

    The theory of viewing every social relationship as an oppressor-oppressed narrative, while simplifying, can be limiting and misleading. The left hemisphere's tendency to radically simplify can lead to ignoring facts and disregarding intuition and feelings. The neuroscience behind hemisphere theory shows that the left hemisphere's advantage is in grasping and simplifying, while the right hemisphere handles the bigger picture. Over-reliance on this theory can result in chaos and a lack of trust in what is truly knowable. Instead, it's important to consider both hemispheres' perspectives for a more comprehensive understanding of the world and our place in it.

    The Right Hemisphere Creates Our Perception of Reality

    The right hemisphere of the brain, which comprehends, is a better guide to understanding the world than the left hemisphere, which apprehends. The right hemisphere creates our perception of reality and shapes our thoughts, emotions, and social intelligence. It is more inclusive and open to new ideas, while the left hemisphere is exclusive and rigid in its thinking. The right hemisphere's way of thinking, which values experience and faithfulness to what is true, provides a more accurate and holistic understanding of truth compared to the left hemisphere's linear and sequential approach. Therefore, it is essential to develop both types of thinking to gain a comprehensive and accurate understanding of the world.

    Balancing Science and Spirituality

    Understanding reality requires a balanced approach that acknowledges the importance of science, spirituality, and the coincidence of opposites. Science provides valuable knowledge, but it has limitations and cannot explain everything. Spirituality offers insights into realms beyond measurement, like love. The coincidence of opposites reminds us that everything is interconnected, and extremes often lead to imbalance and negative consequences. Therefore, we need to consider multiple perspectives and attend to the complexities of reality, rather than reducing it to simplistic dichotomies. This balanced approach can be seen in musical harmony, where tension between opposing forces creates a beautiful, harmonious whole.

    Exploring the Right Hemisphere and the Cosmos

    The speaker believes that the left hemisphere of the brain, which controls logical and analytical thinking, has dominated human thought and decision-making, leading to rigidity, stifling creativity, and disregard for values. He suggests that AI may represent the final frontier in exploring the right hemisphere, which is associated with imagination, intuition, and emotional intelligence. The speaker also emphasizes the importance of values in understanding reality and argues that life's purpose goes beyond mere survival. He advocates for a hierarchical tree of values, such as Max Scheler's, to help us navigate the complexities of the cosmos. The speaker's exploration of the brain, philosophy, and the cosmos led him to the concept of the coincidence of opposites, which he sees as a guiding principle in life and a reflection of the underlying instinct for finding direction when lost. He expresses his fascination with the Kabbalah, which emphasizes the balance of opposites, and sees it as a deep and true concept that is not irreconcilable with other religious traditions.

    The Old Testament's portrayal of God as the interplay of call and conscience

    The Old Testament portrays God as the interplay between the forces of call and conscience. This dynamic can be seen as the interaction between positive and negative emotions, with positive emotion acting as a forward-pulling force and conscience serving as the voice of negative emotion. This interplay is also reflected in the Kabbalistic concepts of Kesset and Guevera, representing the creative and constraining elements, respectively. The left hemisphere of the brain, often associated with reductionist, algorithmic, and prideful thinking, can be seen as a parallel to these concepts. However, it's important to note that these dichotomies are not identical, and the left hemisphere is not solely responsible for negative traits. Instead, it can be seen as a servant that, when misused, can lead to arrogance, resentment, and overreach, ultimately resulting in destructive consequences.

    Embracing uncertainty as a step towards wisdom

    The failure of theories and the resulting resentment can lead to a rough interregnum, a period of uncertainty and doubt. However, instead of being lost in this desert of doubt, we can adopt an attitude of unknowing, recognizing that uncertainty is not a sign of weakness but an opportunity for growth. In contrast to the left hemisphere's preference for certainty and closure, other cultures value unknowing as a necessary step towards wisdom. This idea is reflected in Egyptian mythology, where the goddess Isis embodies the unconscious and gives birth to Horus, the eye, representing the openness to information gathering and humility in the face of uncertainty. Ultimately, the tyranny of the intellect can prevent us from accessing the richness of our unconscious mind and hinder our growth. Embracing unknowing and adopting a more open and humble attitude can lead us to new insights and discoveries.

    Consciousness and the divine are interconnected

    Consciousness and the divine are interconnected and relational. The speaker believes that everything is relational and that consciousness, which they believe is present throughout the cosmos, is a fundamental aspect of the universe. The divine or ground of being is also seen as relational and in need of connection and love. The speaker draws parallels between the eye as a symbol of the all-seeing intellect or state and the eye of God, which is within each of us. They also touch on the importance of faith and relationship in understanding the divine. Ultimately, the speaker sees consciousness and the divine as inseparable, with consciousness being a manifestation of the divine in the universe.

    The creative process is a spiral of evolution with distance and closeness, opposition and permanence.

    The creative process, like Jacob's ladder, is a spiral of evolution that requires both distance and closeness, opposition and permanence. Matter is not an opposition to consciousness but a reciprocal aspect of it. Attention, as a moral act, is an act of prioritization and valuing, and it structures our observation of facts within a hierarchy of value. Therefore, facts themselves become manifest within this hierarchy. The scientific endeavor, which ignores this moral aspect of attention, is an incomplete view of reality. God, seen as the divine nature of the cosmos, is the unfolding of potential into something beautiful, requiring both distance and closeness, and the interplay of linear and circular processes.

    The way we attend to things shapes our perception

    The way we attend to things shapes what we find and perceive. Different kinds of attention can reveal different aspects of the same reality. For example, a mountain can be a sign of danger, a shelter, a beautiful object to paint, or a source of dollars. It's essential to question our perceptions and consider alternative possibilities to avoid reducing things to their narrowly useful aspects. This moral act of open-mindedness not only changes what we find but also reflects the values of a society. By closing ourselves off to possibilities, we risk losing touch with the spiritual, emotional depth, and fellowship with nature that enriches our lives. Instead, we prioritize accumulation and material wealth, which can lead to a crime-ridden population and mental illness. To counteract this, education should encourage questioning and an open mind, allowing us to find truth through exploration and discovery, rather than closure and certainty.

    Old Testament Stories: Training in Attention and Unity

    The Old Testament stories offer a training in attention, encouraging us to focus on what is properly put in the highest place: a relational, ultimate unity. This relational focus is seen in Christ's commandment to love God and others. The Old Testament hypothesis is that devoting attention to this unity allows the world to lay itself out in a harmonious and paradise-like manner. The call to attend to this highest place, as exemplified in the story of Abraham, offers a promise of personal growth and a blessing to others. This is contrasted with the Luciferian intellect, which tempts us into narrow, instrumental, self-serving utilization. Attention is a moral act, and orienting it properly is essential for living a harmonious and balanced life.

    Our perception of the world is shaped by our intentions and brain hemispheres

    Our perception of the world is shaped by our intentions and the balance between our brain hemispheres. The left hemisphere, with its focus on control and logic, can become overbearing and distorted by narrow technical training or a desire for power. Meanwhile, the right hemisphere, associated with creativity and spirituality, helps us maintain a sense of opposites and connect with the unknown, which is essential in understanding the mystery of God. The world reveals itself according to our intent, and a lack of balance between the hemispheres can lead to societal and environmental issues. To address these problems, a return to a spiritual vision that values both hemispheres is necessary. This spiritual vision should not be reduced to dogma or a means of securing power, but rather a way to appreciate the beauty, goodness, and truth of dedicating our lives to something greater.

    Embracing the concept of flow and callings

    Our lives are enriched by the experiences and callings that resonate with our unique character and spirit. These callings, whether they are long-term or transient, are part of an underlying "spirit of calling" that should be honored and attended to. This concept of flow is about being fully present in the moment and recognizing that everything, including ourselves, is constantly evolving and in process. By embracing this perspective, we can move away from a mechanistic view of the world and instead appreciate the interconnectedness and fluidity of all things. Callings, whether in healthcare, education, or spiritual pursuits, are not just jobs or roles, but expressions of our deeper purpose and connection to the world around us.

    The importance of being present and intuitive

    Being fully present and in the flow of an experience, as in play or skilled performance, can lead to a sense of timelessness and heightened intuition. However, over-reliance on algorithms and ticking boxes can enforce mediocrity and hinder the development of true expertise. It's important to strike a balance between following rules and trusting one's instincts. In the realm of mental health assessment, overly mechanical approaches can be ineffective and even counterproductive. Instead, empathetic and attuned interactions are key to understanding and supporting individuals in need. Ultimately, the goal should be to foster excellence and authentic human connection, rather than enforcing rigid rules and procedures.

    Valuing depth and complexity over brevity

    Some authors, including the speaker, value depth and complexity in their work over accessibility and brevity, even if it means longer books and potentially lower sales. The speaker shares an experience of being contracted to write a shorter version of a book but feeling unfulfilled and ultimately deciding to publish the longer, more philosophically nuanced version. Despite initial concerns about sales, the book has done well, suggesting that readers are hungry for intellectually meaty and spiritually engaging content. The speaker also criticizes gatekeepers in the industry for trying to control and limit the ideas that reach the public. Ultimately, the author believes that their role is to guide readers towards a broader perspective, not to force it upon them, and that the popularity of their work is due to its depth and exploration rather than insistence.

    Making religious experiences too welcoming can dilute their impact

    Making religious experiences too welcoming and easy can lead to a lack of interest and attendance. According to the speaker, this issue has been discussed within the Catholic Church, and some have suggested doing away with traditional elements like Latin Mass, ritual, and core beliefs to make it more like being at home. However, the speaker argues that people go to church to be introduced to something transcendent, not to feel comfortable in their living rooms. He believes that the Orthodox Church, particularly the Russian and Greek Orthodox Churches, have not "sold out" and still offer this transcendent experience. However, even in the Orthodox Church, commercialization and secularization can dilute the spiritual experience. The speaker finds the conversations they have had with Dr. Chris McGill on these topics to be valuable and appreciates the Daily Wire's role in facilitating and making these conversations accessible to a wider audience.

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    Wild food and agriculture:

    https://madfeed.co/video/from-wild-to-tame-and-back-again/

    https://madfeed.co/video/we-are-here-because-we-have-appetite/

    https://madfeed.co/video/whos-got-the-guts/

     

    Website https://www.tor.dk/

     

    Article “We Are Waking Up” : https://www.tor.dk/2019/05/06/we-are-waking-up/

     

    440. Looking Back on the Campaign, and Forward for the Country | Vivek Ramaswamy

    440. Looking Back on the Campaign, and Forward for the Country | Vivek Ramaswamy

    Dr. Jordan B. Peterson sits down with 2024 presidential candidate Vivek Ramaswamy to discuss the recent suspension of his campaign, how he fought the traditional media’s best advances against him, who he is endorsing now, and the American values he seeks to defend going forward.

     

    Vivek Ramaswamy is an entrepreneur, author, and political activist. Vivek has been making headlines since announcing his candidacy for the 2024 presidential election, running on a platform in part to dismantle the expansive and corrupt bureaucracy that has seeped into nearly all facets of American government. Prior to this, Ramaswamy was the founder and CEO of the biopharmaceutical company Roivant Sciences. Leaving in 2021, he published “Woke, Inc.: Inside Corporate America's Social Justice Scam.” In 2022, he co-founded Strive Asset Management with Anson Frericks, which focuses on an alternative to the now-pushed ESG investment framework. That same year Ramaswamy published “Nation of Victims: Identity Politics, the Death of Merit, and the Path Back to Excellence”

    and has since been deemed one of the “Intellectual Godfathers of the anti-woke movement.”

     

     

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    2024 tour details can be found here https://jordanbpeterson.com/events  

     

    Peterson Academy https://petersonacademy.com/  

     

     

    For Vivek Ramaswamy:

     

    On X https://twitter.com/VivekGRamaswamy?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Eauthor

     

    On Youtube https://www.youtube.com/@vivek-2024 

    439. Microplastics, Global Greening, & the Dangers of Radical Alarmism | Dr. Patrick Moore

    439. Microplastics, Global Greening, & the Dangers of Radical Alarmism | Dr. Patrick Moore

    Dr. Jordan B. Peterson sits down with industry consultant, science activist, and past president of Greenpeace Canada (1971 to 1986), Dr. Patrick Moore. They discuss his time in Greenpeace, the historic timeline of global ice ages and climate change, the clear lies being peddled to promote alarmism, and how the woke left manipulates science (and scientists) to promote a falsely perceived and politically incentivized future catastrophe.

     

    Dr. Patrick Moore has been a leader in the international environmental field for more than 45 years. He is a co-founder of Greenpeace and served for nine years as President of Greenpeace Canada and seven years as a Director of Greenpeace International. As the leader of many campaigns Dr. Moore was a driving force shaping policy and direction for 15 years while Greenpeace became the world's largest environmental activist organization.

     

    In recent years, Dr. Moore has been focused on the promotion of sustainability and consensus building among competing concerns. He was a member of the British Columbia government-appointed Round Table on the Environment and Economy from 1990 - 1994. In 1990, Dr. Moore founded and chaired the BC Carbon Project, a group that worked to develop a common understanding of climate change.

     

    In 2021 Dr. Moore published "Fake Invisible Catastrophes and Threats of Doom" exposing the fake news and fake science around 11 claims of disaster including climate change, coral reefs, polar bears, plastic, nuclear energy, and more.

     

     

    - Links -

     

    2024 tour details can be found here https://jordanbpeterson.com/events  

     

    Peterson Academy https://petersonacademy.com/  

     

     

    For Dr. Patrick Moore:

     

    On X https://twitter.com/ecosensenow?lang=en

     

    “Fake Invisible Catastrophes And Threats of Doom” (Book) https://www.amazon.com/Fake-Invisible-Catastrophes-Threats-Doom-ebook/dp/B08T6FFY6S/ref=sr_1_1?dchild=1&keywords=fake+invisible+catastrophe&qid=1612915229&s=digital-text&sr=1-1