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    #408 – Tal Wilkenfeld: Music, Guitar, Bass, Jeff Beck, Prince, and Leonard Cohen

    enJanuary 09, 2024

    Podcast Summary

    • Overcoming fear to unleash true artistic expressionEmbrace excitement, passion, and vulnerability in music-making. Don't let fear restrict creativity or hinder growth. Prioritize overall expression and learn from mistakes along the way.

      Fear can limit and wall off a musician's expression. Tal Wilkenfeld shares that bringing fear to a stage can hinder creativity and vulnerability. Instead, she believes in embracing excitement and passion, as fear only leads to a perfectionist mindset that restricts true artistry. Tal's experience playing with Jeff Beck at a Guitar Festival exemplifies this principle, as she confidently accepted a solo opportunity and showcased her talent. Moreover, Tal highlights the importance of differentiating the body from musical expression, enabling musicians to perform even in challenging physical conditions like food poisoning. Ultimately, the key lesson is to prioritize overall expression and not be afraid of making mistakes in the pursuit of authentic music-making.

    • Embracing the unknown and taking risks: the path to true artistry.Embrace the unknown, take risks, and believe in yourself. Genuine learning comes through mentorship and deep discussions, leading to constant growth and becoming a true artist.

      True artistry comes from embracing the unknown and taking risks. Tal Wilkenfeld emphasizes the importance of veering off the beaten path and exploring possibilities at the edge of the cliff. It's about pure expression in real time, responding to the moment and everything happening around you. While there may be moments of mistakes or setbacks, it's all about learning to recover and grow from them. Confidence plays a role in this, as even on your worst day, you should still believe in your skills and embrace your uniqueness. Through mentorship and deep discussions about music, genuine learning can occur, transcending genres and styles. Ultimately, it's about constant growth and becoming a true artist.

    • Embracing Trust and Letting Go of Self-Criticism: Tal Wilkenfeld's Journey to Confidence and Joy.Detach from self-criticism, cultivate trust in oneself, and embrace the ability to handle any situation to maintain confidence, joy, and a sense of self-worth. Meditation aids in achieving flow and peace.

      Tal Wilkenfeld has learned to detach herself from self-criticism and embrace a state of trust and openness. She no longer beats herself up over perceived flaws in her performances, but instead focuses on making improvements for future shows. This shift in mindset has allowed her to maintain a sense of confidence and joy, even when faced with physical fatigue or challenging situations on stage. Tal emphasizes the importance of not letting self-criticism hold you back or diminish your sense of self-worth. She believes that it's essential to cultivate trust in oneself and the ability to handle whatever comes your way. Additionally, Tal finds meditation to be a valuable tool in achieving a state of flow and peace both on and off stage.

    • The Power of Connection and Processing GriefConnecting with others and embracing the present moment helps navigate grief, finding solace in unexpected support systems and utilizing tools like laughter.

      Connecting with others and finding ways to process grief is essential for emotional well-being. Tal Wilkenfeld emphasizes the importance of putting down our phones and fully engaging with the present moment, whether it be through live performances or meditation. She shares her experiences of losing loved ones and how it deeply affected her. Through her grief, she found solace in the company of comedians who embraced her like family and taught her the power of laughter. This unexpected support system helped her navigate the pain and allowed her to fully connect with her emotions. Ultimately, she learned to lean on these tools when faced with the loss of another significant person in her life.

    • The connection between music and comedy, and how musicians incorporate humor into their lyrics.Both musicians and comedians have the ability to find humor in everyday situations, adding comedic elements to their work and providing joy and healing to their audience.

      Music and comedy share a spiritual connection, but the personalities of musicians and comedians can differ. Musicians, like comedians, have the ability to observe and find humor in everyday situations, adding comedic elements to their lyrics. This can be seen in the works of renowned songwriters such as Leonard Cohen, Bob Dylan, and Paul Simon. On the other hand, instrumental guitarists may focus more on the physical or kinesthetic aspects of their music. The power of comedy and laughter can provide an escape from analytical thinking and allow one to embrace the joy of life. The magical atmosphere of venues like the Comedy Store and the influence of legendary artists like Leonard Cohen continue to inspire and heal musicians like Tal Wilkenfeld.

    • The power of lyrics and the subjective nature of musicLyrics have the ability to evoke different emotions and meanings for different people, showcasing the subjective nature of music and its ability to resonate with individuals in unique ways.

      Lyrics can hold multiple meanings and evoke different emotions for different people. Tal Wilkenfeld discusses Leonard Cohen's song "Chelsea Hotel" and the controversial line about giving head on an unmade bed. While some may find it shocking, Tal believes it is an amazing line that adds power to the song. She explains that Leonard regrettably revealed that the song was about Janis Joplin, leading to a loss of privacy. However, Tal sees beauty in their connection and believes that everything, even the dark stuff, can be beautiful if you look deeply enough. This highlights the subjective nature of music and how it can resonate with individuals in unique ways.

    • Overcoming Loneliness through Connection and IntegrationBy practicing meditation and studying scriptures, we can cultivate a sense of connection and oneness with others, reducing feelings of loneliness. Detaching from meaningless attachments and embracing interconnectedness can lead to personal growth and understanding.

      Loneliness is a result of feeling separate from the world and others. However, as you experience less separation, you will feel less lonely. This can be achieved through practices like meditation and studying scriptures, which help to cultivate a sense of connection and oneness with everything and everyone. It is important to differentiate between giving a piece of yourself in romantic exchanges and simply opening yourself up to others. When you see yourself as interconnected with everyone, there is no losing. Hotel rooms, often seen as lonely, can actually be healing spaces where you can detach from meaningless attachments and be with yourself. Ultimately, the integration of spiral dynamics and Zen principles can provide a powerful combination for personal growth and understanding.

    • Transcending and integrating truths and falsehoods in meditation and spirituality regardless of religious backgroundIt is possible to achieve self-realization and personal growth by incorporating different approaches and teachings from various spiritual paths.

      Every field, including meditation and spirituality, has truths and falsehoods that we should integrate. Tal emphasizes the importance of transcending and including every aspect of our being, regardless of our religious or non-religious background. Regardless of the path we choose, whether it's Christianity, Buddhism, or Vedanta, there is a way to be self-realized and self-actualized. Tal's experiences in both the Zen monastery and the Vedanta monasteries have been incredibly helpful to her. The Zen monastery taught her discipline, patience, and the ability to sit with herself, while the Vedanta monasteries provided analytical understanding and knowledge. Ultimately, both approaches are necessary for her personal growth and understanding of what it means to be human.

    • The Power of Love Songs and the Benefits of Mental Practice in MusicLove songs can represent various forms of love, and music has the ability to evoke different emotions and meanings. Mental practice enhances musicians' understanding and skills, optimizing their practice time and performance.

      Love songs can be interpreted in various ways, not just limited to romantic love. Tal Wilkenfeld shares that her favorite love songs are those that can encompass love of God, love of life, or simply pure love. She references George Harrison and Bob Dylan as examples of artists who write songs that leave room for multiple interpretations. This emphasizes the power of music to evoke different emotions and meanings for different individuals. Additionally, Wilkenfeld highlights the importance of visualizing and practicing music in one's mind. By mentally practicing, musicians can develop a deep understanding of their instrument and enhance their skills. This technique can be beneficial for musicians looking to optimize their practice time and improve their overall performance.

    • The Power of Breaks in Learning and Skill DevelopmentTaking short breaks during practice sessions can enhance learning and skill development by allowing the brain to process information more efficiently, resulting in faster and more effective learning.

      Taking breaks during practice sessions can significantly improve learning and skill development. Tal Wilkenfeld's experience of pausing for a minute between playing sessions revealed a noticeable difference in improvement compared to continuous repetition. This finding aligns with scientific research that shows a 30-second to a one-minute break allows the brain to integrate and process information more efficiently, resulting in faster and more effective learning. This technique of intentional rest and integration can be especially beneficial for musicians who may spend long hours practicing. Additionally, Wilkenfeld emphasizes the importance of knowing the reason behind playing music and expressing oneself through art, as it fuels passion and commitment on the challenging journey of becoming a musician.

    • Finding Purpose and Fulfillment in LifeHaving a clear purpose and staying true to ourselves allows us to navigate life's challenges with certainty and fulfillment.

      Having a clear purpose and being centered in it is crucial to navigating life's ups and downs. Without purpose, our lives can feel jagged and uncertain, like we're constantly blowing in the wind. While variety is enjoyable, every human being also needs a certain amount of certainty and structure. However, purpose doesn't necessarily come from external factors like ticket sales or recognition. It comes from within, knowing that we are doing exactly what we want to be doing and expressing our true selves. When we are focused on our purpose, external circumstances like audience size become less important. Ultimately, trusting ourselves and seeking out mentors or resources that align with our passions can help us find fulfillment on our personal journeys.

    • The Path to Greatness: Absorbing the Essence of ExcellenceTo truly excel in any discipline, it is crucial to open our minds to the presence of greatness, embrace the emotional and spiritual aspects of our art, and pay attention to every detail like meditation.

      Greatness in any discipline, whether it be music or sports, has a certain way about it that can be learned and absorbed by those who are open to it. Even if we don't practice that specific discipline ourselves, there is something to be gained by observing and being in the presence of greatness. Additionally, when it comes to creating beautiful things, it's important to not solely focus on technical proficiency, but to also develop our minds and tap into the emotional and spiritual aspects of our art. Slowing down and paying attention to every detail, just like in meditation, allows us to fully experience and express ourselves in a more profound way.

    • The Power of Choices and Limitations in Musical Style and Expression.Embracing fearlessness, being open to new possibilities, and making conscious choices can lead to the development of a unique and individual style in music, surpassing the need for technical perfection.

      Musical genres and individual musicians' unique sounds can often be defined by the choices they make and the choices they don't make. Tal Wilkenfeld emphasizes the importance of leaving fear behind and being open to anything, responding to the present moment. She suggests that each musician has their own aesthetic preferences and a slightly different sound on their instrument. This sound is created both by the choices they make and the choices they deliberately avoid. Additionally, limitations on an instrument can also contribute to a musician's unique sound. It is not necessarily about technical perfection, but rather the distinctiveness and individuality of a musician's style and expression.

    • Embrace uniqueness and explore different approaches to musicAuthenticity and playing from the heart are more important than being trendy or flashy. Prioritize serving the song and creating music that resonates with the audience.

      Imperfections and unique qualities can lead to creativity. Tal Wilkenfeld discusses how Hendricks' unique hand placement on the guitar allowed him to reach certain strings and create a distinctive sound. She also mentions how flipping a guitar can bring out a different side in a musician. This highlights the importance of embracing uniqueness and exploring different approaches to music. Additionally, Tal emphasizes the significance of authenticity and playing from the heart, regardless of the genre. She prioritizes lyrics and strives to serve the song by making choices that best convey its message. Rather than seeking to be trendy or flashy, the focus is on creating music that moves and resonates with the audience.

    • Embracing Raw Moments: The Power of the First Take in MusicImperfections can bring authenticity and energy to music. Embracing spontaneity and human expression in the recording process can create a unique and memorable sound.

      The best music often comes from the raw, unfiltered moments captured in a single take. Tal Wilkenfeld shares her experience of creating music with Prince, where they would quickly record songs without any edits or fixes. The magic, she explains, is often found in the first take, where there may be mistakes or forgotten sections, but the energy and authenticity shine through. This approach allows for spontaneity and a true connection between musicians, resulting in a unique and memorable sound. In a world where digital editing and perfection are common, this reminder of the value of imperfection and human expression in music is important.

    • The Power of Authentic Expression in Music and MentorshipTrue musical genius lies in infusing emotion into music, while authentic expression and support are essential for nurturing talents and paths in mentorship.

      True musical genius lies in the ability to express oneself authentically and to make the music come alive. Tal Wilkenfeld's melodic approach to playing bass and her admiration for musicians like Jeff Beck and Wayne Shorter, who play their instruments like singers, highlight the power of infusing emotion into music. Additionally, her love for Bob Dylan's voice and his ability to express his lyrics with authenticity further demonstrates the importance of believability and raw expression in singing. When it comes to mentorship, Tal emphasizes the need for support and guidance rather than harsh criticism. Creating an open and supportive space allows individuals to discover and nurture their own unique talents and paths.

    • The Power of Longing, Gratitude, and Self-DiscoveryLonging and gratitude fuel our experiences, while self-discovery and finding our voice require both support and space. Embracing our journey, including mistakes, is essential for personal growth.

      Longing and gratitude play important roles in shaping our experiences and perspectives. Lex Fridman expresses how the absence of validation in his past has fueled his constant sense of longing, which in turn allows him to deeply appreciate every moment of his life. He believes that removing any part of his journey, even the mistakes, could cause the whole thing to collapse. Additionally, Fridman discusses the importance of a dictatorial coach in sports, someone who pushes him to his limits. It becomes evident that the journey of self-discovery and the development of one's voice are highly personal choices, with both support and space being crucial factors.

    • The Power of Music and Embracing ImpermanenceMusic has the ability to evoke emotions and meanings that change over time. Leaving lyrics open to interpretation allows listeners to connect and find their own experiences. Embracing impermanence and appreciating love and consciousness are important aspects of life.

      In short, one big takeaway from Tal Wilkenfeld's conversation with Lex Fridman is the power of music and its ability to evoke different emotions and meanings over time. Tal emphasizes the importance of leaving lyrics open to interpretation, allowing listeners to find their own connections and experiences within the music. She shares how her own songs from years ago continue to surprise her with new meanings as she grows and goes through different life experiences. Tal also encourages young people to confront their fears and embrace the impermanence of life, appreciating every day as potentially their last. Ultimately, she believes that love and consciousness are the only permanent aspects of our existence, and that music has a profound ability to tap into and express these universal truths.

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    #424 – Bassem Youssef: Israel-Palestine, Gaza, Hamas, Middle East, Satire & Fame
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    #423 – Tulsi Gabbard: War, Politics, and the Military Industrial Complex
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