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    For the Burned Out, Fried, and Exhausted | Emily & Amelia Nagoski

    enDecember 27, 2023

    Podcast Summary

    • Understanding Burnout: Emotional Exhaustion, Cynicism, and Feeling Less AccomplishedBurnout is more than just managing stressful circumstances; it's a physical experience characterized by emotional exhaustion, cynicism, and feeling less accomplished. Self-care, social connections, and managing emotions are effective interventions.

      The authors of the book "Burn Out" share their personal experiences and research on the topic, emphasizing the importance of understanding the three characteristics of burnout: emotional exhaustion, cynicism, and feeling less accomplished. They distinguish between managing stressful circumstances and dealing with the physical experience of stress. The authors offer evidence-based interventions, including self-care practices, social connections, and managing emotions. The episode also includes sponsor messages about special deals from Dell Technologies, Whole Foods Market, and DoorDash. The authors, Amelia and Emily Nagoski, share their motivation for writing the book, which stems from Amelia's own experience with stress-induced illness and the lack of effective resources available at the time.

    • Impact of stress on body and mindRecognizing the importance of addressing stress through validating emotions and understanding the body's response can lead to improved overall well-being.

      Understanding and addressing the impact of stress on both the body and mind is crucial for overall well-being. Sisters Amelia and Emily share their personal experiences of how stress affected their lives differently despite growing up in the same household. Amelia, a researcher in health behavior, helped her sister when she was hospitalized by providing her with scientific knowledge about stress and affirming that her experiences were valid. Emily, who has always struggled with repressing emotions, realized the importance of allowing emotions to cycle through and complete, rather than ignoring them and letting them get stuck in the body. Their shared experiences led them to write a book, "The Stress Solution," to help others understand the far-reaching effects of stress and the importance of addressing it in all aspects of life.

    • Understanding the Complexity of Burnout: Emotional Exhaustion vs. Decreased Sense of AccomplishmentBurnout is a complex condition with emotional exhaustion and decreased sense of accomplishment. Women are more prone to emotional exhaustion, while men may experience a lack of accomplishment. Completing emotional cycles is crucial for managing and recovering from burnout.

      Burnout is a complex condition characterized by emotional exhaustion, depersonalization, and decreased sense of accomplishment. Emotional exhaustion, a key component for women, occurs when we get stuck in the middle of an emotional cycle and fail to complete it, leading to negative health consequences. It's essential to understand that dealing with the stressor causing burnout and dealing with the burnout itself are two separate processes. Women are more likely to experience emotional exhaustion, while men may feel a decreased sense of accomplishment. This difference is due to the unique ways men and women process stress and the societal expectations placed on each gender. Regardless of gender, understanding the cyclical nature of stress and employing evidence-based strategies to complete emotional cycles can help individuals manage and recover from burnout.

    • Human Giver Syndrome: Prioritizing Others Over SelfRecognize and challenge patterns of overgiving, prioritize self-care to avoid burnout, and acknowledge societal impact on our lives.

      The ways women and girls are socialized to prioritize the needs of others over their own can lead to a phenomenon known as Human Giver Syndrome. This syndrome, as discussed in Kate Mann's book "Down Girl: The Logic of Misogyny," creates a system of oppression where certain groups feel entitled to what others have to offer, while others feel a moral obligation to give. This dynamic, rooted in patriarchy and other systems of oppression, can create stress and friction between individuals and societal expectations. It's important for individuals to recognize and challenge these patterns, and to prioritize self-care to avoid becoming overextended "givers." Everyone experiences some form of oppression, and it's essential to acknowledge the impact of these systems on our lives and work towards reconciliation and healing.

    • Examining our behavior towards othersRecognize and make amends for unintentionally treating others' emotional labor as our entitlement, approach past mistakes with self-compassion, and improve ourselves and relationships regardless of the world's state.

      We all have a responsibility to question and examine our own behavior, particularly towards those who are different from us. We may have unintentionally treated others as if we're entitled to their emotional labor, and it's important to recognize and make amends for this. The process of acknowledging past mistakes can be challenging, but it's essential to approach it with self-compassion and a desire to learn and grow. The book also emphasizes that we don't have to wait for the world to be perfect before improving ourselves and our relationships. It's crucial to address burnout and stress effectively, as this can lead to stronger communities and better personal relationships. The conversation also touched upon the importance of addressing criticisms and criticism in a constructive and solution-oriented manner.

    • Self-care as a form of resistance against injusticeSelf-care is a political act that fosters hope and resilience by completing the stress cycle and finding support and relief from modern-day pressures

      Self-care is an essential act of resistance against systemic injustice. Audre Lorde's perspective emphasizes the importance of personal survival in opposing oppressive structures. The stress response, activated by modern-day pressures, can be compared to being chased by a lion. However, unlike ancient times, our stressors don't disappear after a fight or flight response. Instead, we must complete the stress cycle by finding support and relief. This can be achieved through self-care practices and building connections with others. In essence, taking care of ourselves is a political act that fosters hope and resilience in the face of adversity.

    • Managing stress through sleepGetting enough sleep is crucial for effective stress management. Lack of sleep can hinder your ability to cope with stressors, while adequate sleep can improve overall well-being.

      Effective stress management goes beyond just dealing with external stressors, but also involves addressing the physical response in your body. While physical activity is a powerful tool for completing the stress response cycle, it's not accessible to everyone. An alternative evidence-based strategy is getting enough sleep, which can significantly impact your ability to manage stress. Sleep deprivation can make it harder to cope with stressors, while getting the right amount of sleep can help improve your overall well-being. Remember, individual needs vary, so it's essential to listen to your body and adjust accordingly.

    • Understanding Sleep Patterns and Imagination's Role in Managing StressRecognize individual sleep patterns and harness imagination to manage stress, while addressing societal inequalities to ensure everyone prioritizes well-being.

      Everyone's needs for rest and relaxation are unique, and it's essential to understand our individual sleep patterns and imagination's role in managing stress. For some, like Amelia, imagination can initiate a stress response cycle, leading to completion and relief. Others may benefit from creative self-expression, turning their thoughts and feelings into tangible creations. However, not everyone has the luxury to prioritize sleep or creative pursuits due to societal expectations or job requirements. It's crucial to recognize and address these injustices, ensuring everyone has the opportunity to prioritize their well-being and function at their best. Additionally, understanding various sleep patterns, such as monophasic, biphasic, or multi-phasic, can help individuals optimize their rest and improve overall productivity.

    • Exploring Creative Outlets for Stress ReliefEngaging in creative activities, like reading, singing, or podcasting, can help manage stress, process emotions, and provide a sense of accomplishment and escape from daily stresses. Try Audible for free to discover new sources of inspiration.

      Creative expression, whether it's through writing a romance novel or singing a song, can help individuals cope with stress and complete their physiological response to challenging situations. The brain doesn't distinguish much between what we vividly imagine and reality, making this an effective way to process emotions and find solace. The use of creative outlets can turn a moment of frustration into a sense of accomplishment and make the world feel like a safer place. Audible, an audio entertainment platform, offers a vast selection of books, including thrillers and mysteries, that can inspire creative expression and provide an escape from daily stresses. By trying Audible for free for 30 days, listeners can discover new titles and find their next source of inspiration. Additionally, having a creative outlet, such as a podcast, can lead to unexpected opportunities, like receiving free merchandise from sponsors. Overall, engaging in creative activities can be a powerful tool for managing stress and enhancing overall well-being.

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    • Combining physical movement, social connection, and mindfulness for stress reliefDeep breathing and mindfulness meditation can help complete the stress response cycle, promoting overall well-being by engaging the parasympathetic nervous system and allowing the body to release and process emotions

      Engaging in activities that combine physical movement, social connection, and mindfulness can help complete the stress response cycle and promote overall well-being. Deep breathing and mindfulness meditation are two effective practices that can contribute to this goal. Deep breathing, by engaging the parasympathetic nervous system during exhalation, can promote a sense of calm and safety. Mindfulness meditation, which involves non-judgmental awareness of sensory experiences, can allow the body to release and process emotions, ultimately leading to the completion of the stress response cycle. However, it's essential to remember that not all meditation practices lead to the completion of the stress response cycle, and some may only provide a sense of calm without allowing the stress to fully pass through the system.

    • Complete the stress response cycle through deep breathing and emotional expressionDeep breathing and emotional expression help bring the body back to a calm state by completing the stress response cycle. These practices can be especially effective when dealing with stressors that can't be addressed immediately.

      Practicing deep breathing and allowing yourself to fully experience emotions like crying or uncontrollable laughter can help complete the body's stress response cycle. This is important because the body's stress response, including changes to the respiratory system, is a built-in mechanism for dealing with danger. However, it's not always possible or effective to address the root cause of stress in the moment. Instead, focusing on the physical sensations of stress, such as breath, tension, and emotions, can help bring the body back to a calm state. This allows us to better cope with the stressor when we're ready to deal with it. Deep breathing and emotional expression are powerful tools for completing the stress response cycle, and they can be especially effective when practiced without judgment. Additionally, reminiscing about past experiences of belly laughter or listening to others laugh can also trigger a similar response and help shift our physiology towards relaxation.

    • Challenges faced by women in improving well-beingAcknowledging unique challenges for women in accessing well-being resources and addressing systemic issues is crucial for promoting equal opportunities.

      There are effective strategies for improving well-being that are accessible to everyone, but it's important to acknowledge the unique challenges faced by certain groups, particularly women. The authors of "The Bodies Keep the Score" call these challenges "the real enemy," as people often deny their existence or find the term "patriarchy" uncomfortable. This "rigged game" creates additional obstacles for women, and other marginalized groups, in accessing power and resources. For instance, GEDIFY shoes offer pain relief and improved posture, while Indeed simplifies the hiring process. Yet, women may face more hurdles in achieving these benefits. Understanding and addressing these systemic issues is crucial for promoting equal opportunities for all. Additionally, mastering stress response, managing frustration, and finding meaning are essential skills for thriving in life.

    • Understanding systemic challenges as not personal failuresRecognizing systemic challenges empowers us by providing a sense of agency and counteracting feelings of helplessness. Taking tangible actions can help overcome learned helplessness.

      Recognizing the systemic challenges we face and understanding that they are not personal failures can be empowering. The real enemy is not other people or external circumstances, but rather the oppressive systems that limit our abilities to thrive. This concept is rooted in research on learned helplessness, where individuals feel despair and hopelessness when they believe they have no control over their environment. However, recognizing the rigged nature of the game can help lift despair and provide a sense of agency. To overcome learned helplessness, we don't necessarily need a mindset change, but rather tangible actions that demonstrate our ability to impact our surroundings. For humans, this could mean engaging in small projects or tasks that give us a sense of accomplishment, while for animals, it involves physically moving them to safety. By taking action and recognizing our ability to make a difference, we can counteract feelings of helplessness and work towards creating meaningful change.

    • Find agency and reduce burnout through small actions and supportive communitiesIndividuals can find respite from structural unfairness and injustice by taking small actions and building supportive communities, ultimately leading to collective healing and change

      Women (and everyone) can find agency and reduce burnout in the face of structural unfairness and injustice by doing something, no matter how small, and creating a supportive community. This can be as simple as completing a task or making a meal, or as deep as building a network of loving connections. These actions may not directly dismantle systems of oppression, but they can help individuals access safety and wellness, making it possible to engage with larger issues in the long term. The most effective intervention, however, is not self-care alone, but collective care and love. By turning towards each other with kindness and compassion, we can create pockets of connection where everyone's well-being is valued, and together, we can heal and effect change.

    • Creating a loving communityBuilding a loving community requires effort, vulnerability, and reciprocal giving. It's essential for our well-being and a universal human need.

      Creating a loving community or "bubble" is essential for our well-being, but it requires effort and vulnerability. This bubble consists of people who care about each other deeply and feel a moral obligation to give. It's important to remember that giving is not toxic when it's reciprocal. Building this bubble may be challenging, as people have fewer close friends today, but it's a universal human need. Be brave and reach out to those who may also be seeking connection. Creating a love bubble isn't just about surrounding yourself with loving people; it's about actively caring for them and participating in the relationship. Human beings are naturally social and pro-social, but societal expectations of independence can hinder us from forming these connections. By acknowledging our need for each other and being willing to build these relationships, we can create a loving community that supports and uplifts us all.

    • Embracing Connection and Autonomy for WellnessUnderstand the importance of balancing connection and autonomy for wellness, recognize burnout, and take action to address it through practical tools in 'Burnout: The Secret to Unlocking the Stress Cycle'.

      People are wired for connection, but we also need autonomy. We're designed to oscillate between these two states. Loneliness is a significant issue, with one in three American households being solo households. But even in the best-case scenario, being constantly connected with loved ones can be draining. The key to wellness is embracing the freedom to move through these cycles, including connection and autonomy. The speakers, Nat Bishop and Dr. Emily and Amelia Nagoski, emphasized the importance of recognizing and addressing burnout, which can be achieved by understanding the stress cycle and taking action. Their book, "Burnout: The Secret to Unlocking the Stress Cycle," offers insights and practical tools to help individuals navigate these cycles. If you're interested in learning more, follow The Nat Bishop Trissa Hersey and check out their work. Remember, if Nat, with her measurable clinical deficits, can do it, anyone can. 10% Happier is produced by a talented team, including Justine, Davey Gabrielle Zuckerman, Lauren Smith, Tara Anderson, DJ Cashmere, Marissa Schneiderman, Kevin O'Connell, Kimmy Regler, Alicia Mackey, and Tony Magyar. The theme music is by Nick Thorburn of Islands. For more family-friendly entertainment, check out The Cat in the Hat Cast, a new podcast from Wondery. Join the Cat in the Hat and your favorite Dr. Seuss characters on a new adventure every week. Listen early and ad-free on Wondery Plus.

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