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    437. The 2024 Presidency, Joe Biden’s Age, Gigantism, & Facing Reality | Dean Phillips

    The alignment between the Democratic Party and legacy media stems from their shared backgrounds in higher education, leading to a prioritization of personal interests over the country's best interests, resulting in a continual conflict between short-term and long-term goals.

    enApril 04, 2024

    About this Episode

    Dr. Jordan B. Peterson sits down with entrepreneur, U.S. representative, and 2024 presidential candidate Dean Phillips. They discuss his now-suspended presidential campaign, the monolithic opposition he faced getting platformed, the reality of President Joe Biden’s age, the core issues facing America right now, and the comparative pathologies of Republicans and Democrats respectively.

     

    Dean Phillips is an American businessman and congressman, serving as the U.S. representative of Minnesota’s 3rd District since 2019. Phillips has started and run several companies over the years (Such as Talenti Gelato) and served as CEO of his family's liquor business, Phillips Distilling Co, for 12 years (2000-2012). Phillips ran as the only Democrat against Joe Biden in the 2024 election. On March 6th, 2024, he suspended his campaign.

     

     

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    🔑 Key Takeaways

    • Dean Phillips entered politics due to his deep disappointment with Donald Trump and fear for his family's safety, influenced by personal experiences including the loss of his father in the Vietnam War.
    • Running against an incumbent, the speaker emphasized the importance of respectful dialogue and finding common ground to promote unity in democracy.
    • The country needs leaders focused on pressing issues like border security, fiscal responsibility, and generational change. Proposed solutions include 'American Dream Accounts' for young people and prioritizing modern challenges like social media and AI regulation.
    • The speaker's political convictions were influenced by his family background and experiences, leading him to identify with the Democratic Party due to its commitment to human rights and support for underrepresented communities.
    • Recognize the nuances of equity and avoid oversimplification to prevent unfair targeting and unintended consequences.
    • Advocating for equality of opportunity to help historically disadvantaged groups, while recognizing the complexities and potential unintended consequences of striving for equality of outcome.
    • The political climate's ambiguity between moderate and radical Democrats, the radicals' push for equality of outcome, and the left's definition of oppression create a dangerous environment for minority groups like Jews, emphasizing the importance of family, education, and ambition for success.
    • Equity in action, like preserving institutions and overcoming past inequalities, can help communities provide opportunities for their members to rise above poverty and disadvantage.
    • The US two-party system's closed-door rules and collusion between parties and media make it difficult for new candidates to emerge, even when the country desires alternatives.
    • The political and media landscape is controlled by a duopoly or uni-party system, hindering representation of center-right and center-left Americans, and stifling diverse perspectives.
    • The alignment between the Democratic Party and legacy media stems from their shared backgrounds in higher education, leading to a prioritization of personal interests over the country's best interests, resulting in a continual conflict between short-term and long-term goals.
    • Americans feel unheard in the current political climate, leading to the appeal of authentic, unscripted politicians like Trump, despite classist criticism
    • Politicians should prioritize authentic connections with constituents, emphasizing listening and understanding over rehearsed talking points, to build trust and gain support.
    • Political commentator discusses exclusion from media outlets, collusion between Dem power structures and mainstream media, and manipulation of information by these entities, advocating for balanced perspectives in media through weekly debates
    • Both sides need to create platforms for opposing views, even if uncomfortable, to maintain open dialogue and truthful discussions in society. Media outlets should engage in controversial topics and promote diverse perspectives.
    • The speaker raises concerns over the increasing trend of young women questioning their gender identity and undergoing surgeries, arguing that societal harm outweighs individual consent, and advocates for thoughtful conversations about individual freedoms and medical community accountability.
    • The expansion of technology and virtualization has led to an increase in individual power, raising concerns about regulatory capture by tech giants and the need to prevent the dominance of big money, industry, or individuals in democracy.
    • The lack of competition in sectors like tech, politics, and media hinders the provision of better value, improvement of quality, and informed choices. Campaign finance reform could help, but collective action is needed.

    📝 Podcast Summary

    Disappointment and Fear Drove Dean Phillips into Politics

    Dean Phillips ran for president due to deep disappointment with the character of then-president-elect Donald Trump and the fear he saw in his daughter's eyes after the 2016 election. His experiences, including losing his father in the Vietnam War and the good fortune that followed, influenced his decision to enter politics and address issues that mattered to him and his family. Despite facing significant opposition during his campaign, Phillips believes that the political landscape in the US requires more open conversations and understanding between parties. His experience sheds light on the importance of addressing the concerns of marginalized communities and the role of personal experiences in shaping political decisions.

    Competition and Invitation for Dialogue in Democracy

    Democracy thrives on competition and invitation for dialogue. The speaker shared his experience of running against an incumbent president despite long odds, driven by a desire to promote unity and understanding. He emphasized the importance of extending invitations to each other to find common ground, debate, and disagree respectfully. Practical concerns, such as the uncertainty of Biden's viability as a candidate, also played a role in his decision to run. However, he believed that the larger issue was the trend of silencing and demeaning each other, which is detrimental to the democratic process. The speaker's mission was to demonstrate that competition and respectful dialogue are essential for a healthy democracy.

    Disappointment with Limited Democratic Options

    The current political landscape in the United States is raising concerns about the limited options in democracy, particularly in the Democratic Party where Joe Biden is expected to receive a coronation despite calls for more choices. The speaker expresses disappointment in the lack of competition and believes that the country's future leaders should focus on addressing pressing issues such as border security, fiscal responsibility, and generational change. He proposes the idea of "American Dream Accounts" to help young people start their adult lives with financial security and reduce expenditures on incarceration. Additionally, he emphasizes the importance of having leaders with a deep understanding of modern challenges, such as social media and artificial intelligence regulation, which older generations may not fully grasp.

    Family history and experiences shaped political beliefs

    The speaker's political convictions were shaped by his family history and experiences growing up. He was drawn to the Democratic Party due to its association with human rights and standing up for the underdog, as exemplified by political figures like Hubert Humphrey. Despite coming from a business background, his beliefs were reinforced by the Democratic Party's stance on civil rights and support for marginalized communities. The speaker acknowledges that he may have reservations about certain aspects of the party, but his affiliation remains deep-seated.

    Understanding Equity's Complexities

    The concept of equity can be beneficial when addressing historical systemic oppression, such as slavery and women's suffrage. However, it can also be pernicious when it leads to oversimplification and the labeling of statistical representation as evidence of oppression. This can result in groups, like the Jewish community, being unfairly targeted. It's essential to recognize that two things can be true at once, and that well-intentioned policies can have unintended consequences. The key is to approach equity with nuance and understanding, rather than oversimplification and division.

    Addressing historical inequities: Opportunity vs. Outcome

    Historical discrimination and lack of opportunities for certain groups have led to inequities that need to be addressed. However, it's essential to distinguish between equality of opportunity and equality of outcome. Equality of opportunity means providing more opportunities to disadvantaged groups, while equality of outcome implies guaranteeing the same results for everyone. The speaker advocates for the former, believing that society has an obligation to help groups that have been historically disadvantaged. They also express concern about the potential for certain groups being perceived as oppressors, despite their own experiences of discrimination. Overall, the conversation highlights the complexities of addressing inequities and the importance of understanding the nuances of different perspectives.

    Moderate vs Radical Democrats and the Threat to the Jewish Community

    The current political climate, particularly within the Democratic Party, is marked by a significant disconnect between the moderate and radical factions. The moderate Democrats aim for equality of opportunity, while the radicals push for equality of outcome. This ambiguity has allowed the extreme views to go unchecked, creating a dangerous environment that poses a threat to the moderate Democratic mission. Moreover, the left's definition of oppression as disproportionate representation in positions of privilege puts minority groups like Jews at risk. The speaker emphasized the importance of family, education, and ambition in the success of the Jewish community, and these values should be extended to those who are denied opportunities for no reason other than their background. Ultimately, the issue goes beyond systemic oppression and requires a deeper understanding of first principles.

    The Power of Equity in Building Strong Communities

    Communities with strong foundational principles are more likely to provide opportunities for their members to rise above poverty and disadvantage. This requires active equity, which can take the form of efforts to overcome past inequalities. The speaker shares his personal experience of being adopted as an example of this equity in action. He emphasizes the importance of preserving institutions that promote equality of opportunity, such as the nuclear family. Despite his qualifications, the speaker's campaign for political office did not gain as much traction as expected, likely due to the absence of a platform and name recognition.

    Challenges for new candidates in the US two-party system

    The two-party system in the United States, with its private institutions setting the rules behind closed doors, can make it challenging for new, alternative candidates to emerge, even when the country is seeking choices. Former Senator Al Franken shared his experience of trying to challenge an incumbent president in the Democratic Party, facing dismay from his own caucus, media deplatforming, and a lack of resources and experienced operatives. He was surprised by the monolithic opposition he encountered and the collusion between the legacy media and the parties, which ultimately led him to run for president himself. This observation also sheds light on the appeal of unconventional candidates like Donald Trump and Robert F. Kennedy, who are seen as potential disruptors to the established power structures.

    Dominated by monolithic opposition to alternative viewpoints

    The current political and media landscape is dominated by monolithic opposition to alternative viewpoints due to aligned incentives. Jordan Sather shares his personal experience of facing barriers in challenging political candidates due to fear of career repercussions. This issue extends to the media, where journalists rely on access to power sources and risk losing opportunities if they object or criticize. The duopoly or uni-party system, as some call it, is real and needs to be addressed with a focus on rectifying the misalignments and perverse incentives that hinder the representation of the majority of center-right and center-left Americans. It's essential to separate individuals from their political beliefs and maintain respect for diverse perspectives.

    Shared roots in higher education fuel alignment between Dems and media

    The alignment between the Democratic Party machine and the ethos of legacy media journalists stems from their shared roots in higher education. The powerful incentive structure within these institutions keeps people supporting incumbents, even when they may be insufficient for the job. This behavior is driven by a human desire to protect proximity to power, which can lead individuals to prioritize their own careers and futures over the country's best interests. The result is a continual conflict between short-term personal interests and long-term communal interests, with the former often winning out. Additionally, the 50-50 split in American politics makes it plausible for incumbents to win, further reducing the incentive to launch radical or daring political offenses. The role of media in shaping public perception and creating divisions between political sides also contributes to this issue.

    Political climate leaves Americans feeling disenfranchised

    The current political climate in the US, fueled by cable news and the duopoly of the two major parties, has shifted the narrative into a competition rather than a space for ideas, debate, and conversation. This systemic issue has left many Americans feeling disenfranchised and unheard, leading to the appeal of politicians like Donald Trump who promise to understand and address their concerns directly. The classist element in the criticism of Trump also plays a role, as many Americans identify with his background and aspirations for wealth, even if they may not aspire to the Ivy League elite. Trump's ability to communicate directly and authentically resonates with this demographic, and his unscripted style contrasts with the perceived scripted and nuanced lies of traditional politicians.

    The Power of Authentic Connections in Politics

    Authenticity and connection matter greatly in politics. People crave being heard and understood, even if a politician may not have all the answers or be perfect. The speaker shares his experience of the power of long-form conversations on podcasts compared to the limitations of traditional media, and how the lack of opportunities to connect with voters through these channels hindered his campaign. He emphasizes the importance of listening and understanding the human needs of constituents, rather than just presenting well-rehearsed talking points. Despite his empathetic nature, he acknowledges the disconnect between himself and many voters due to the media's focus on other candidates. The media's disincentive to platform lesser-known candidates, especially during primaries, further compounded the issue. Ultimately, the speaker encourages a shift towards more authentic and human interactions in politics.

    Media bias during election seasons

    The relationship between political figures and the media, particularly during election seasons, can be influenced by incentives and biases. The speaker, a political commentator, shared his experience of being excluded from certain media outlets during his campaigns while being welcomed by others. He believes that the collusion between Democratic power structures and mainstream media, as well as tech companies, is a significant issue. An example given was the deplatforming of his interviews on YouTube. The speaker also expressed concern over the manipulation of information and facts by these entities, which he believes is more prevalent on the Democratic side. He advocated for more balanced perspectives in media and called for a weekly national show featuring debates between Republicans and Democrats on issues of the day.

    Navigating Difficult Conversations and Promoting Open Dialogue

    We have reached a critical point where discerning truth and having open conversations about differing perspectives is becoming increasingly difficult. Both the left and right need to intentionally offer platforms for opposing views, even if they're tough or uncomfortable. The speaker shares concerns about censorship and deplatforming, using their personal experience on YouTube as an example. They believe that media outlets should promote and engage in dialogue on controversial topics, especially during times when it's needed most. The YouTube ecosystem emerged as an alternative to legacy media due to its openness to diverse viewpoints, but even it has faced challenges, particularly when discussing sensitive issues like gender identity and transgender issues. The speaker strongly believes that government policies and societal pressures have contributed to the creation of sexual confusion among young people, and they advocate for thoughtful and open dialogue on these issues.

    Concerns over Young Women's Gender Identity Transformations

    The speaker expresses deep concern over the increase in young women questioning their gender identity and undergoing gender transformation surgeries, believing that it's a pathologically dangerous trend. They argue that the right age for such decisions should be debated, but believe that the societal harm outweighs individual consent. The speaker also criticizes the progressive left for censorship and unwillingness to answer questions about limits. They advocate for more thoughtful conversations about individual freedoms and the role of the medical community in these personal decisions. The speaker also believes that the medical community should face accountability for their actions in this area.

    The Challenge of Balancing Power in a Technologically Advanced Society

    The expansion of technology and virtualization in society has led to an increase in the size and influence of individuals, creating a challenge for the balance of power between individuals and the state. The potential for regulatory capture by these powerful individuals, especially tech giants like Google, is a concern. The left and right may have different fears, but they can agree on the need to ensure that a minority of influential individuals do not exploit or harm the majority. The surgeons' role in the transgender debate is just one example of how profit can lead to questionable practices. The struggle in democracy is to give voice to the marginalized and prevent the dominance of big money, big industry, or big individuals.

    The importance of competition in society

    The absence of competition in various sectors, including tech, politics, and media, is destructive and hinders the provision of better value, improvement of quality, and the ability for human beings to make informed choices. We are currently experiencing less competition of ideas than ever before, and this trend is largely due to the concentration of power in the hands of a few. Campaign finance reform could potentially help change this dynamic, but it requires collective action and commitment. The importance of competition cannot be overstated, and it is essential that we promote it in all aspects of society.

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    Dr. Jordan B. Peterson sits down with industry consultant, science activist, and past president of Greenpeace Canada (1971 to 1986), Dr. Patrick Moore. They discuss his time in Greenpeace, the historic timeline of global ice ages and climate change, the clear lies being peddled to promote alarmism, and how the woke left manipulates science (and scientists) to promote a falsely perceived and politically incentivized future catastrophe.

     

    Dr. Patrick Moore has been a leader in the international environmental field for more than 45 years. He is a co-founder of Greenpeace and served for nine years as President of Greenpeace Canada and seven years as a Director of Greenpeace International. As the leader of many campaigns Dr. Moore was a driving force shaping policy and direction for 15 years while Greenpeace became the world's largest environmental activist organization.

     

    In recent years, Dr. Moore has been focused on the promotion of sustainability and consensus building among competing concerns. He was a member of the British Columbia government-appointed Round Table on the Environment and Economy from 1990 - 1994. In 1990, Dr. Moore founded and chaired the BC Carbon Project, a group that worked to develop a common understanding of climate change.

     

    In 2021 Dr. Moore published "Fake Invisible Catastrophes and Threats of Doom" exposing the fake news and fake science around 11 claims of disaster including climate change, coral reefs, polar bears, plastic, nuclear energy, and more.

     

     

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    “Fake Invisible Catastrophes And Threats of Doom” (Book) https://www.amazon.com/Fake-Invisible-Catastrophes-Threats-Doom-ebook/dp/B08T6FFY6S/ref=sr_1_1?dchild=1&keywords=fake+invisible+catastrophe&qid=1612915229&s=digital-text&sr=1-1