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    581. What Both Parties Get Wrong About Immigration

    The H1B visa lottery system in the US favors some countries over others, resulting in long wait times for Indian applicants with STEM degrees. This backlog raises questions about fairness and efficiency, and may lead to talent poaching by other countries.

    en-usMarch 21, 2024

    About this Episode

    The U.S. immigration system is a massively complicated machine, with a lot of worn-out parts. How to fix it? Step one: Get hold of some actual facts and evidence. (We did this step for you.) (Part two of a three-part series.)

     

     

     

    🔑 Key Takeaways

    • The US, with its history of immigration and criticism, attracts millions while allowing freedom to criticize, admitting over a million permanent residents yearly and housing 11 million illegally.
    • The 1960s immigration reform aimed to treat all nations equally, but focused on filling labor needs rather than increasing overall immigration volume.
    • The 1965 US Immigration and Nationality Act, intended to prioritize skills over national origin, faced opposition due to unforeseen consequences like larger-than-anticipated family reunification and population growth concerns.
    • Immigrants contribute significantly to the US economy and society, starting businesses and inventing technologies, yet the national conversation often overlooks these positive impacts.
    • The absence of the 1965 Immigration Act could have led to US economic decline. Today, illegal immigration poses challenges, including border chaos and financial burdens, due to immigrants' belief they can stay illegally long-term.
    • Though immigrants initially impose costs, their second and third generations contribute $254B to the economy. However, potential wage effects on natives, particularly low-skilled workers, warrant ongoing debate.
    • Immigration doesn't significantly negatively affect native wages or employment due to increased demand and labor reallocation, and immigrants have lower crime rates.
    • Immigrants act as a gateway for firms, provide valuable insights, and maintain cultural connections, leading to better psychological outcomes and a vibrant, diverse society
    • The US immigration system doesn't meet the economic needs of the country, with a focus on border security overshadowing the need for skilled labor and talent
    • The US attracts top talent but loses them due to a complex and uncertain immigration process, particularly for employment-based visas like the H-1B
    • The H1B visa lottery system in the US favors some countries over others, resulting in long wait times for Indian applicants with STEM degrees. This backlog raises questions about fairness and efficiency, and may lead to talent poaching by other countries.

    📝 Podcast Summary

    The US: A Place of Criticism and Attraction

    The United States has a complex and evolving history with immigration. In 2008, a six-word motto contest on the Freakonomics blog revealed the public's perspective on the country, with the winning entry being "Our worst critics prefer to stay." This motto describes a place where people are free to complain, yet attracts millions of people worldwide. The US has a long history of immigration, but there have been periods of restriction, such as the National Origins Act of 1924. Despite this, immigration levels have increased, and today, the US admits over a million permanent residents annually, while an estimated 11 million immigrants live in the country illegally. Understanding the reasons behind these shifts requires examining the historical context and the various factors that have influenced US immigration policy.

    Fair Immigration Reform in the 1960s

    The Kennedy brothers and President Johnson advocated for immigration reform in the 1960s to end discrimination based on national origin, but they did not intend to significantly increase the overall volume of immigration. During a Senate hearing, Bobby Kennedy clarified that the new system would treat every nation equally, but decisions on which workers to allow in would still be based on the country's actual needs. For instance, if the economy required more nurses, nuclear engineers, or physicists, they would be prioritized, but if the country did not need ditch diggers, they would not be let in. This reform aimed to create a fairer system without expanding the number of immigrants.

    Opposition to the 1965 US Immigration Act

    The 1965 US Immigration and Nationality Act, which aimed to eliminate quotas based on national origin and instead prioritize skills, was met with strong opposition. Sen. Ted Kennedy dismissed criticism as irrational and emotional, but the bill's authors underestimated the number of immigrants that would come due to family reunification exemptions, leading to a larger increase in immigration than anticipated. Meanwhile, some environmentalists, like John Tanton, opposed the bill due to concerns about population growth, leading to the establishment of anti-immigration think tanks. Despite the authors' intentions, the law's implementation resulted in a larger influx of immigrants than intended.

    The shifting perception of immigration in the US

    The perception and treatment of immigration in the United States have shifted significantly over the decades, with the anti-immigration sentiment gaining traction in recent times. This change can be linked to the influence of certain think tanks founded by John Tanton, who believed that the US couldn't handle large numbers of immigrants. While this sentiment may play well with a specific voter base, it's essential to recognize that immigration has historically brought immense economic and social benefits to the US. As former President Ronald Reagan noted, the US has drawn its strength from people of all corners of the world. However, the national conversation around immigration often focuses on the negative impact it has on the native population or the positive impact it has on immigrants themselves, neglecting the net positive benefits for the country as a whole. Evidence shows that immigrants contribute significantly to the economy, starting businesses, and inventing technologies. It's crucial to acknowledge and celebrate these contributions rather than focusing solely on the perceived negative aspects of immigration.

    Immigration's Impact on the US Economy, Society, and Politics

    The immigration patterns of the United States have significantly shaped its economy, society, and politics. If the Immigration and Nationality Act of 1965 had never existed, the US might have followed Argentina's path of economic decline due to lower immigration rates. Today, the US faces challenges with illegal immigration, leading to border chaos and financial burdens for states. The belief among immigrants that they can stay illegally for extended periods fuels this trend, creating a feedback loop. It's essential for nations to manage their borders effectively while considering the economic, social, and political implications of immigration.

    Immigrants' Long-Term Economic Impact

    While immigrants may initially impose costs on states due to higher birth rates and education expenses, the economic benefits become significant in the long run. The second and third generations of immigrants contribute positively to the economy, totaling $254 billion across all states. However, the lack of federal reimbursement for state costs is a concern. The downside of large-scale immigration is the potential impact on native workers' wages, as evidenced by numerous studies. The wage effect may be small for the overall native population but can be substantial for the lowest education bracket. This complex issue requires ongoing debate and consideration.

    Impact of Immigration on Wages and Employment

    The impact of immigration on wages and employment for current citizens is a complex issue with various perspectives. While some argue that immigration may negatively affect certain low-income workers, others, such as Zeke Hernandez from Wharton, believe that it doesn't lead to significant negative effects due to increased demand and the reallocation of workers into different roles and occupations. The misconception that immigrants take jobs away from natives assumes all workers are interchangeable, but immigrants often fill roles that natives won't, leading to a reallocation of labor rather than direct competition. Additionally, immigrants have lower crime rates than natives, contradicting a common misperception. Overall, the evidence on immigration is nuanced, and it's essential to consider multiple perspectives and not be swayed by false narratives.

    Immigrants bring more than just economic benefits

    Immigration brings numerous benefits to a country, beyond just economic gains. Immigrants act as a gateway for firms to expand into new markets, and they provide valuable insights and social connections that cannot be bought. Furthermore, immigrants do not necessarily assimilate in a one-dimensional way, but rather, they can maintain strong attachments to both their original and adopted cultures, leading to better psychological outcomes. This complex process of integration is essential for fostering a vibrant, diverse society. It's important to remember that immigration is a deeply human and social process, and our mental models of the economy and society should reflect this complexity.

    Outdated US Immigration System

    The US immigration system is outdated and doesn't match the economic needs of the country. The US attracts a large number of skilled immigrants, but the policies and visa system are not designed for a modern economy. The focus on border security and "bad apples" oversimplifies the issue, as there is a huge mismatch between America's demand for talent and the supply the system allows. Small and medium businesses, not just big corporations, struggle to find talent and navigate the complicated US immigration system. The US has been successful in attracting the world's best and brightest, but it's despite the policies, not because of them.

    US struggles to retain talented individuals due to complex immigration process

    The US attracts a large number of talented individuals due to its status as a preferred destination for education and its high-quality institutions. However, the US struggles to retain these individuals due to a complex and uncertain immigration process, particularly for employment-based visas like the H-1B. Sindhu Mahadevan's experience is a prime example. After earning her master's degree in the US, she applied for an H-1B visa twice but was unsuccessful due to the lottery system. When her work authorization expired, she had to stop working and switch to a dependent visa, which did not allow her to work. The uncertainty and complexity of the immigration process forced her to adapt and learn the system, but it also caused frustration and uncertainty for her and her husband. The US immigration system could benefit from more transparency and predictability to better retain the talented individuals it attracts.

    H1B Visa Lottery System and Long Wait Times for Indian Applicants

    The H1B visa system in the US, which is used to bring skilled workers into the country, is based on a lottery system. This raises questions about fairness and efficiency, especially for individuals from countries like India, who face long wait times for employment-based green cards due to a significant backlog. The backlog, which can take decades to clear, disproportionately affects Indian-born applicants with STEM degrees. This situation has led some to wonder if there are discriminatory practices at play and if other countries, like Canada, are poaching the talent the US needs.

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