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    Why the Vision Pro Rules with Hugo Barra

    VR technology offers immersive and unique viewing experiences for sports fans, with companies like Apple investing to lead the way

    enApril 19, 2024

    About this Episode

    This week, Marques and David talk with Hugo Barra about his blog post where he makes a number of points and observations about the Apple Vision Pro and the state of VR in general. There's a lot to get into! Enjoy! Links:  Hugo's Blog Post: https://bit.ly/4cYlEhS Hugo hired by Facebook: https://bit.ly/4azeBur Verge Oculus Rift review: https://bit.ly/3W20Obw Piano Vision: https://bit.ly/3Q3nap7 Karl Guttag: https://bit.ly/3VZu4iQ DisneyQuest Paper: https://bit.ly/49yIREo Shop products mentioned: Apple Vision Pro: https://geni.us/po94 Meta Quest 3: https://geni.us/SUUuw Shop the merch: https://shop.mkbhd.com Socials: Waveform: https://twitter.com/WVFRM Waveform: https://www.threads.net/@waveformpodcast Marques: https://www.threads.net/@mkbhd Andrew: https://www.threads.net/@andrew_manganelli David Imel: https://www.threads.net/@davidimel Adam: https://www.threads.net/@parmesanpapi17 Ellis: https://twitter.com/EllisRovin TikTok:  https://www.tiktok.com/@waveformpodcast Join the Discord: https://discord.gg/mkbhd Music by 20syl: https://bit.ly/2S53xlC Waveform is part of the Vox Media Podcast Network. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

    🔑 Key Takeaways

    • Apple's VisionPRO headset offers a game-changing VR experience with advanced features and sleek design, creating a sense of wonder and optimism for first-time users. Past VR experiences may impact perception.
    • From rudimentary Aladdin Magic Carpet in Disney Quest to Apple Vision Pro's advanced Gaze and Pinch technology, VR in entertainment has evolved significantly, driven by advancements in displays, sensors, and user interaction.
    • Apple's new VR headset emphasizes human connection and innovation over weight reduction through gaze interaction and transparency, paving the way for the future of spatial computing in VR.
    • Apple's Vision Pro headset could revolutionize spatial computing with mixed and augmented reality experiences, offering new dimensions to social interactions and defining the future of technology.
    • Apple intentionally makes Vision Pro display slightly less sharp to reduce the presence of visual artifacts and prioritize user comfort and enjoyment.
    • Shopify and NetSuite empower businesses at various stages, Shopify with ecommerce solutions and NetSuite with business management. Gigabyte's AI gaming laptops enhance gaming, and Apple Vision Pro advances VR technology. Trials, financing, and availability encourage adoption.
    • Competition can drive innovation and better products by legitimizing new technology and shifting focus from convincing consumers to improving the product and competing effectively.
    • Apple's VisionPro AR headset could benefit from more popular app support to showcase its capabilities and enhance user experience.
    • Apple's Vision Pro headset may offer a more affordable version by making it tethered to a Mac or iPad for compute power, turning it into an accessory rather than a standalone device.
    • Apple's VR headset value comes from immersive, interactive experiences, not just movies and TV shows
    • VR technology offers immersive and unique viewing experiences for sports fans, with companies like Apple investing to lead the way
    • Apple's Vision Pro headset could revolutionize live sports viewing with immersive experiences, but it might not be for everyone. Marketing strategy now focuses on media consumption.
    • Apple TV+ emphasizes high frame rate videos to enhance viewing experience. Apple Vision Pro aims for a lightweight headset, around 350 grams, for prolonged usage and user comfort.
    • Apple and Meta are investing in new technologies, but building a functional and affordable transparent display remains a challenge for the ideal form factor, which lies between VR headsets and smart glasses.
    • Apple invests in startups, partnerships, and potentially lower prices to generate excitement for their Vision Pro headset, aiming for high-end, unbreakable technology and immersive VR experience in ten years.
    • Virtual reality offers immersive experiences, but may not replace the urge to visit real-life wonders. Benefits include accessibility and cost savings, but potential drawbacks include the loss of authenticity and the need for future technologies like teleportation to fully replace travel.
    • Hugo Benhave ranked top 5 in typing speed challenge, achieving a time of 4.83 seconds. Practice and dedication are key to mastering typing speed, with potential for further improvement.

    📝 Podcast Summary

    Hugo Barra shares insights on Apple's VisionPRO headset

    Hugo Barra, a tech industry expert with a long history in VR and AR technology, shares a unique perspective on the current and future state of virtual reality. According to Barra, Apple's VisionPRO headset is a game-changer, offering a science fiction-like experience for those who have never tried a headset before. He emphasizes that the headset's advanced features and sleek design make it a standout in the market, creating a sense of wonder and optimism around technology. Barra also touched on the importance of considering past experiences with VR headsets when evaluating the VisionPRO, as those with a history of using less sophisticated devices may not be as impressed by its offerings. Overall, Barra's insights offer a fresh perspective on the VR landscape and highlight the potential for continued innovation in this exciting field.

    A brief history of VR in entertainment

    The history of Virtual Reality (VR) in entertainment can be traced back to the late 1990s, with projects like Disney Quest's Aladdin Magic Carpet, which used rudimentary VR technology. Since then, the industry has seen significant improvements, with a focus on high-resolution displays, advanced sensors, and motion controllers. Apple Vision Pro, though not the best VR headset, is considered important due to Apple's influence on consumer trends. Its introduction of Gaze and Pinch technology has set a new standard for user interaction in VR. These milestones illustrate the industry's continuous innovation and dedication to enhancing the VR experience.

    Apple's latest VR headset introduces gaze interaction and transparency

    The introduction of gaze interaction and the use of transparency in VR headsets, as seen in the latest Apple headset, could be defining features for the next generation of virtual reality technology, similar to how multi-touch is a defining characteristic of smartphones. These elements bring a more intuitive and human connection to the technology, and while they may add weight, Apple's design perspective prioritizes innovation and human interaction over weight reduction. The future of spatial computing in VR lies in the balance between weight and features, and while there may be a focus on gaming, the potential for mixed reality and AR environments should not be overlooked.

    Exploring the potential of spatial computing with Apple's Vision Pro headset

    Spatial computing, specifically mixed and augmented reality experiences, holds significant potential for Apple's Vision Pro headset, even if gaming remains a strong focus. The success of Apple products often relies on discovering product-market fit and iterating based on user preferences. While gaming has emerged as a popular use case for Quest headsets, spatial computing could offer even more utility and define the future of mixed reality technology. However, the lack of controllers for the Vision Pro may make gaming a weakness, and Apple may focus on casual, hand-based gaming experiences instead. The potential for shared experiences in spatial computing could make the Vision Pro an appealing device for users, offering a new dimension to social interactions. Despite some initial limitations, the Vision Pro's potential for spatial computing applications is worth exploring, and Apple's investment in this technology could lead to innovative and compelling experiences.

    Apple prioritizes user comfort over pixel perfection

    Apple may have intentionally made the Vision Pro display slightly less sharp to reduce the presence of visual artifacts, such as the screen door effect and aliasing, for a more pleasant viewing experience. This decision, while controversial, is based on the challenge of achieving high enough resolution in VR displays for pixels to be undetectable at such close distances. The idea is that a slightly blurrier display could make for a smoother and less harsh look, reducing eye fatigue. This is a matter of taste, and Apple's focus on user experience aligns with this decision. The comparison is drawn to shooting videos with high-resolution cameras, where a slightly out-of-focus image can be more pleasing to look at. Overall, this decision prioritizes user comfort and enjoyment over pixel perfection.

    Exploring Business Growth with Shopify, NetSuite, Gigabyte, and Apple Vision Pro

    Shopify and NetSuite are powerful business solutions designed to help businesses grow at every stage, with Shopify focusing on selling and NetSuite on business management. Shopify offers flexibility through its all-in-one ecommerce platform and AI-powered assistant, while NetSuite provides tailored support, reducing IT costs, and improving efficiency. Gigabyte's AI gaming laptops enhance gaming experiences with AI-powered features, and Apple Vision Pro is a game-changer in the VR industry. Companies like Ridge, Atoms, and NetSuite itself have seen significant growth using these platforms. Shopify offers a $1 per month trial, and NetSuite extends its financing program for a limited time. Gigabyte's AI gaming laptops are available now, and Apple Vision Pro represents a significant advancement in VR technology.

    Competition can legitimize new technology and shift focus

    The entrance of competitors can legitimize a new technology and shift the focus from convincing consumers of its value to improving the product and competing effectively. Apple's Vision Pro, with its late developer interest, may have underestimated the pull it has on the development community and could have benefited from more active engagement and incentives. A compelling example of this is the piano playing app Piano Vision, which shines on the Quest 3 but lacks a comparable version on the Vision Pro. Overall, the arrival of competitors can push companies to innovate and deliver better products.

    Apple's VisionPro needs more apps for better user experience

    Apple's VisionPro, an augmented reality headset, could benefit from more developer support and the inclusion of certain popular apps to enhance user experience. The lack of apps like Netflix and YouTube makes it difficult to explain the device's capabilities. Additionally, the tethered battery on the VisionPro is an intentional decision by Apple, serving as a stepping stone towards lighter and more comfortable headsets in the future. Despite the controversy, Apple's decision sets the tone for the future of VR technology and paves the way for further advancements. However, more investment in developer support and app development is necessary to fully realize the potential of this innovative technology.

    Apple's Vision Pro: A Standalone Device or an Accessory?

    Apple's Vision Pro headset, with its powerful M2 chip and R1 sensor, is being positioned as a standalone computing device as well as a headset. However, to reach a lower price point, Apple may consider removing certain features, such as the eyesight, depth camera, or even the M2 chip and R1 sensor, and making it tethered to a Mac or iPad for compute power. This would make the Vision Pro more of an accessory than a standalone device. Apple could potentially offer the compute as a separate option, turning the headset into a fully enclosed, spatial computer with the equivalent capabilities of an iPad Pro. While the Vision Pro is not yet at the point where it can fully replace a Mac or iPad for most tasks, it's getting closer, and the possibility of a more affordable, tethered version is an intriguing development in the world of mixed reality headsets.

    Apple's VR headset: Beyond movies and TV shows

    While Apple investing in immersive experiences for the VR headset, such as movies or TV shows, could help keep users engaged, it may not be the primary reason people buy the device. Based on past experiences with similar technology, rectilinear video watching in VR does not retain user interest over time. Instead, the appeal of VR lies in its ability to provide immersive, interactive experiences that cannot be replicated on traditional screens. Apple is likely investing in a variety of content and partnerships to enhance the user experience, but the true value of the VR headset will come from its ability to transport users to new and exciting virtual worlds.

    VR to revolutionize spectator sports

    VR technology is expected to revolutionize the way we experience spectator sports. The speaker is particularly excited about this application due to the potential for an immersive and unique viewing experience. He believes that the technical and artistic challenges involved in broadcasting live sports in VR are significant, but the potential rewards are great. The speaker also mentions the success of experimental projects like Alicia Keys' intimate concert and the potential for music and sports to lead the way in VR content. Despite skepticism from some, the speaker is convinced that VR will change the game for sports fans, offering experiences that surpass even the best physical seats. Companies like Apple, with their acquisition of VR technology specialists, are already investing in this area and paving the way for a future where fans can enjoy live sports in a whole new way.

    Apple's Vision Pro: A Game-Changer for Live Sports?

    Apple's Vision Pro headset, with its potential to offer immersive experiences for live sports like MLS matches, could be a game-changer if the technology is able to deliver a superior viewing experience. The discussion touched upon the appeal of live sports as a consistent source of content, unlike movies which require production and storytelling. The mention of Valve's DOTA 2 spectator mode brought up the point that while the technology can be impressive, it might not necessarily be a better way to watch live games for everyone. However, if Apple can make the Vision Pro a viable device for single-purpose uses like live sports, it could potentially sell millions of units. The marketing strategy for the Vision Pro has shifted towards media consumption as the workspace features and apps are still under development.

    Apple's Focus on Exceptional Video Experiences and Lightweight Hardware

    Apple, in their recent product launches, particularly Apple TV+ and Apple Vision Pro, have focused on providing exceptional video experiences and reducing weight respectively, to make their products more appealing. With Apple TV+, they shifted their marketing strategy to emphasize video watching, especially high frame rate videos, to compensate for the lack of developer attendance. Apple Vision Pro, on the other hand, aims to create a lightweight headset, with a goal of reaching around 350 grams, which is comparable to a smartphone's weight, to enhance user comfort and prolong usage. These strategies demonstrate Apple's commitment to delivering innovative and engaging video experiences and comfortable hardware, setting them apart in their respective markets.

    The future of VR and AR technologies is merging with advanced headsets and smart glasses

    The future of Virtual Reality (VR) and Augmented Reality (AR) technologies is heading towards a collision between advanced VR headsets and more accessible smart glasses. While VR headsets continue to improve in technology and miniaturization, smart glasses struggle to fit more tech while maintaining a normal size and appearance. The ideal form factor lies somewhere in between, such as ski goggles with optical pass-through displays. However, building a functional and affordable transparent display for this form factor remains a significant challenge. The technology is progressing rapidly, but it's unclear which product will win over consumers first. Apple, for instance, is investing in AI assistance for its smart glasses, while Meta is focusing on more powerful VR headsets. The developer community's response to new devices will play a crucial role in their success. Despite the VisionPRO's initial hype, the lack of sustained developer interest highlights the challenges of building a thriving ecosystem around new hardware. Apple will need to generate excitement and attract developers to its new device to ensure its success.

    Apple's Multi-pronged Approach to Entering VR Market

    Apple's entry into the VR market with their Vision Pro headset is a significant investment requiring a multi-pronged approach. To generate excitement and attract developers, Apple may need to fund startups and game developer studios, form ambitious partnerships, and potentially even lower the price point for a more accessible product. Apple's history of overengineering their products suggests that the Vision Pro may be launched with high-end, unbreakable technology, even if it means a heavier product. The company may be taking this cautious approach to ensure the product can withstand the scrutiny of developers, reviewers, and users. Looking ahead, the goal is to create an incredibly immersive VR experience with Retina resolution and additional senses engaged. In ten years, the highest-end VR headset could offer an unparalleled level of immersion, making it a worthy investment for Apple.

    Virtual Reality: Real-life Wonders or Immersive Experiences?

    Virtual reality (VR) technology, with its ability to stimulate all senses and create immersive experiences, raises philosophical questions about the need to experience real-life wonders. The speaker shares an example of feeling fully immersed in a virtually reconstructed Grand Canyon, but wonders if one still feels the urge to visit the actual location. While acknowledging the benefits of VR, such as accessibility and cost savings, the speaker also raises the concern that it might not fully replace real-life experiences. The conversation then shifts to the potential future of teleportation, which could eliminate the need for travel altogether. The discussion concludes with a light-hearted challenge for the guest to type the alphabet as fast as possible on an Apple Magic Keyboard, showcasing the importance of keeping a balance between serious and fun topics.

    Hugo Benhave's impressive typing speed performance

    Hugo Benhave put in an impressive performance during the typing speed challenge, ranking in the top 5 with a time of 4.83 seconds. This places him after Marquez Oh and ahead of Josh Wardle. The list of fastest typists includes Tom Scott with a remarkable time of 3.5 seconds, showcasing the competitive nature of this skill. Notably, Hugo achieved this time during his first three attempts, implying that there might be room for improvement. The conversation also touched upon the extensive list of fastest typists, with notable mentions going to Clio and Quinn. Overall, the discussion highlighted the importance of practice and dedication in mastering typing speed, and the rapid development of related technologies such as Virtual Reality and spatial personas.

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    This week, a lot happened! First, we talk about Mr. Beast making a show with Amazon before jumping into an Apex Legends hack that occurred. After that, Pixel 8a leaks get discussed before talking about the rumored deal that might put Google Gemini on the iPhone. We wrap it all up with a few wish list items that we hope to see from our favorite tech before getting into the trivia answers. Enjoy! Links: Mr. Beast on Colin & Samir: https://bit.ly/3Tl3M7S Mr. Beast and Amazon Prime Video: https://bit.ly/4asH70p Joanna Stern and Mira Murati Interview: https://bit.ly/3PtljJZ Apex Legends Hack: https://bit.ly/3PvYo0u Android Authority Pixel 8a Leaks: https://bit.ly/3TLRhDz Small Phones are Dead Video: https://bit.ly/3vbjiva Apple and Google Gemini Deal: https://reut.rs/3ve3PKP ChatGPT-5: https://bit.ly/4a4xUvt Shop the merch: https://shop.mkbhd.com Shop products mentioned: Google Pixel 8 at https://geni.us/8YfSO Ember Mug 2 at https://geni.us/7jplAX Apple MacBook Pro M3 14” at https://geni.us/PSYdMeX Instagram/Threads/Twitter: Waveform: https://twitter.com/WVFRM Waveform: https://www.threads.net/@waveformpodcast Marques: https://www.threads.net/@mkbhd Andrew: https://www.threads.net/@andrew_manganelli David Imel: https://www.threads.net/@davidimel Adam: https://www.threads.net/@parmesanpapi17 Ellis: https://twitter.com/EllisRovin TikTok:  https://www.tiktok.com/@waveformpodcast Join the Discord: https://discord.gg/mkbhd Music by 20syl: https://bit.ly/2S53xlC Waveform is part of the Vox Media Podcast Network. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices