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    Is Apple Breaking the Law?

    The DOJ is suing Apple for creating an anti-competitive ecosystem on the iPhone by restricting apps like WeChat and stifling innovation, aiming to change Apple's behavior and level the playing field for competitors.

    enMarch 29, 2024

    About this Episode

    This week, we finally talk about Apple getting sued by the Department of Justice in the United States, but only after talking about Threads finally federating (kinda). We also discuss the upcoming developer conferences that were announced by both Google and Apple and talk about what we expect to see. Lastly, we talk about Full Self Driving and break down what exactly you get with each tier of Teslas autopilot. Of course, we wrap it all up with a little trivia. Enjoy! Links:  Threads on ActivityPub: https://bit.ly/3TYoCeV Verge Threads Fediverse Beta: https://bit.ly/3x8AW32 PixelFed: https://bit.ly/3TT6xie Google I/O: https://bit.ly/4aCcshf Apple WWDC: https://apple.co/3TFuI2a Samsung Galaxy S24 Ultra Galaxy AI Fine Print: https://bit.ly/3vyqtxC Galaxy AI Story: https://bit.ly/4aa8k8r DOJ Sues Apple: https://bit.ly/3TD4vl5 DOJ Court Document: https://bit.ly/3xdnM4R Electrek Elon Musk FSD: https://bit.ly/3TBH1wC Shop the merch: https://shop.mkbhd.com Socials: Waveform: https://twitter.com/WVFRM Waveform: https://www.threads.net/@waveformpodcast Marques: https://www.threads.net/@mkbhd Andrew: https://www.threads.net/@andrew_manganelli David Imel: https://www.threads.net/@davidimel Adam: https://www.threads.net/@parmesanpapi17 Ellis: https://twitter.com/EllisRovin TikTok:  https://www.tiktok.com/@waveformpodcast Join the Discord: https://discord.gg/mkbhd Music by 20syl: https://bit.ly/2S53xlC Waveform is part of the Vox Media Podcast Network. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

    🔑 Key Takeaways

    • ActivityPub's adoption by social media platforms enables users to see each other's posts across different platforms, promoting interoperability and potentially unifying the social media landscape.
    • Interoperability attracts users initially but older platforms may not prioritize it. Newer platforms test interoperability to offer users a seamless, personalized social media experience.
    • Decentralized social networks like Mastodon use standardized protocols to interconnect and enable users to follow content across different apps, creating a diverse and expansive social network.
    • Apple may make a significant push into AI, focusing on refining existing features, while Google is expected to showcase a variety of AI-powered tools.
    • Apple focuses on AI without compromising user privacy, but their limited data may hinder the development of more intelligent assistants. Expect AI integration in Siri and possibly Reminders at WWDC.
    • Apple is prioritizing local AI for faster processing and better user experience on devices like Apple Watch, iPad, and HomePod, while selectively outsourcing cloud-based AI tasks to partners.
    • Apple may release the first stable version of personas and enhance development tools for Vision Pro, while Google IO could unveil the Pixel 8a and potentially merge Google Assistant and Google Gemini for a unified AI assistant.
    • Google and Apple to frequently mention AI, price of AI techs to rise, companies may differentiate through advanced AI or exclusive features, software updates may make older devices competitive.
    • Samsung offers free AI features until 2025, potentially monetizing them later based on user demand and costs. Companies weigh the costs of operating and leasing AI models against their user base size.
    • The digital landscape disrupts traditional business models, with streaming platforms and easy access to content shaping media consumption
    • The DOJ is suing Apple for creating an anti-competitive ecosystem on the iPhone by restricting apps like WeChat and stifling innovation, aiming to change Apple's behavior and level the playing field for competitors.
    • Apple's strict app store policies aim to maintain control over user experience and prevent potential harm, but may also limit competition and discourage use of non-Apple services
    • Apple's market dominance in smartphones and smartwatches restricts interoperability, limiting consumer choice and potentially leading to a lack of competition
    • Apple Watch's full potential is only unlocked with an iPhone, limiting customization and creating a high barrier to entry for non-Apple users
    • Apple's control over features restricts competition, potentially leading to monopolistic practices, higher prices, and fewer innovative solutions for consumers.
    • Apple's market dominance leads to slower innovation in US market, contrasting China's intense competition among OEMs
    • Apple's closed ecosystem can stifle competition and limit user freedom, creating pressure for new users to fully commit to the Apple ecosystem
    • Brand loyalty influences consumers to stick with tech brands, making it difficult for new entrants to penetrate the market. Legal battles can also impact industry progress, while Visible Wireless offers a digital-only approach for tech-savvy consumers.
    • Tesla uses test rides to sell advanced driver assistance system, FSD, but high cost and confusion over features may deter buyers
    • Tesla's Enhanced Autopilot offers additional features for $6,000 but the value is debatable. The $15,000 Full Self-Driving package is not fully autonomous as advertised and requires active driver supervision.
    • Full self-driving cars are marketed with the promise of 100% protection, similar to cleaning materials, to encourage sales, but a demo may decrease initial purchases.
    • Nostalgia and the evolution of technology were the focus of this episode, as the hosts reminisced about the popularity of Crazy Frog and the transformation of tech conferences like Google IO and Apple's WWDC. They shared personal stories and historical facts, highlighting the importance of remembering the past while embracing the future.
    • Competition and innovation drove rapid technological progress in the web browser industry during the 1990s, but intense competition and antitrust issues could have significant consequences.

    📝 Podcast Summary

    Federation of social media platforms through ActivityPub

    The adoption of ActivityPub, an open standard published by the W3C, is allowing different social media platforms like Threads and Mastodon to federate, meaning users can now see each other's posts across different platforms without having to hop back and forth between them. This is a significant move as it allows users to choose their preferred platform while maintaining connectivity with their social graph. With Threads having over 100 million users, the more platforms that support ActivityPub, the more interoperable they become, potentially incentivizing larger platforms like Twitter to follow suit. This development could lead to a more unified social media landscape, making it easier for users to engage with their networks across various platforms.

    Interoperability vs. Differentiating Features in Social Media

    In the world of social media platforms, there's a strategic balance between differentiating features and interoperability. At the beginning, it's crucial to include interoperability to attract users. However, once a platform gains a significant user base, the incentive to add interoperability features like Activity Pub support decreases. For instance, Meta, being a dominant social media platform, doesn't feel the need to add Activity Pub support. On the other hand, newer platforms like Threads are currently beta-testing this feature to enable users to follow and interact across different federated platforms. This interoperability allows users to engage with content on their preferred platform, making the social media experience more seamless and personalized. Despite the complexity of the underlying technology, the ultimate goal is to provide users with more flexibility and choice in how they consume and contribute to social media content.

    Decentralized social networks and the 'giant social mesh'

    The decentralized social network Mastodon, and other similar platforms, are designed to be interconnected and allow users to tailor their experience by following specific content across different apps. This is made possible through the ActivityPub protocol, which standardizes social actions and enables apps to communicate with each other. This creates a "giant social mesh" where users can follow content without having to switch apps or build a new user base. This concept is reminiscent of early social media platforms like Active Worlds, which aimed to combine elements of web browsing and message boards in a virtual world setting. The ability for smaller, niche apps to federate with larger platforms makes it an attractive proposition for developers and users alike, as it allows for a more diverse range of content and user experiences. However, not all platforms, like Instagram, may choose to adopt this model.

    Apple and Google's Approach to AI at Developer Conferences

    Both Google and Apple are expected to focus on AI technology during their developer conferences this summer, but Apple's approach may differ in style and substance from Google's. While AI has been a long-anticipated feature from Apple, the company has historically been cautious about labeling its technology as AI, instead focusing on machine learning and neural engines. Apple's recent shift in language towards AI suggests that the company may finally be ready to make a significant push in this area. However, it's important to note that not all AI features are created equal, and some may offer more utility to users than others. For instance, while Apple has already introduced AI-powered features like a keyboard and slightly better autocorrect, some users have reported that these features have actually made typing on their iPhones less efficient. On the other hand, transformer-based Siri, a fully revamped virtual assistant, could be a game-changer if it delivers on its promise of more accurate and natural language processing. Ultimately, Apple's approach to AI may be defined by its focus on polishing and perfecting existing features before introducing new ones, rather than being the first to market with flashy, but potentially less useful, AI-powered gimmicks.

    Apple's approach to AI and data at WWDC

    Apple's commitment to privacy and keeping minimal data on users may limit their ability to build the most helpful and intelligent AI assistant compared to companies like Google, which have vast amounts of data. Apple may partner with or use existing data from companies like Google to enhance their AI capabilities, but they may not mention this during their conference. The new iOS 17 keyboard's learning mechanism is an example of Apple's efforts to improve AI without compromising privacy. The WWDC conference is expected to focus on AI and its integration into various Apple products, including Siri and possibly Reminders. Apple and Google's partnership and potential use of Google's data remain topics of interest. The default search engine in Safari being Google and Apple's announcement of RCS support were significant events in their history. While these companies have evolved, their approaches to data and AI remain distinct.

    Apple's Focus on Local AI for Enhanced User Experience

    Apple is expected to make significant strides in AI technology, potentially integrating it into various devices like the Apple Watch, iPad, and HomePod. However, there's a distinction between local and cloud-based AI, with local AI providing the best user experience and speed. Apple has been focusing on local AI in recent updates, but they may outsource some cloud-based AI tasks to partners like Google. It's unclear if Apple will officially announce any partnership with Google regarding AI, but they're likely to keep as much AI processing on device as possible to maintain user privacy. The upcoming Google I/O event may provide more insights into Google's AI plans, but Apple's focus remains on enhancing user experience with local AI and selectively using cloud-based AI when necessary.

    Predictions for WWDC and Google IO

    During the discussion, it was predicted that at WWDC, Apple would focus on enhancing the capabilities of their development tools for Vision Pro, showcasing new apps, and possibly releasing the first stable version of personas. For Google IO, it is expected that the long-awaited Pixel 8a will be unveiled, and there were theories about the potential merging of Google Assistant and Google Gemini. The anticipation lies in the possibility of a unified AI assistant, rather than having to choose between the two. Additionally, updates to both Android and iOS, as well as potential collaborations between tech giants, were mentioned as potential highlights.

    Google's IO event: AI to be heavily emphasized

    During the recent discussion, it was noted that at Google's IO event, there is an expectation for the company to heavily emphasize Artificial Intelligence (AI) in their presentations. This is likely due to the intense competition in the AI space, with companies like Apple also expected to mention AI frequently during their own events. The use of the term AI and related buzzwords has become commonplace in the industry, and there is a belief that the price of these technologies will continue to rise until they become industry norms. Some believe that Google may try to differentiate themselves by positioning themselves as having moved beyond AI and into more advanced forms of AI, such as Super AI or SAI. Additionally, there was a discussion about how companies, including Samsung, may use exclusive software features to encourage consumers to purchase newer devices. However, it was pointed out that these features could eventually be made available to older devices through software updates. Overall, the discussion highlighted the intense competition and rapid innovation in the AI space, and the importance of companies finding ways to differentiate themselves in this market.

    Testing AI features for free before monetization

    Companies may offer free access to certain features or services for a limited time as a testing strategy to gauge user demand and potential costs before deciding to monetize them. This was discussed in relation to Samsung's AI features, which are free until at least 2025, but may eventually be monetized if usage becomes widespread and costs become significant. The speakers also touched upon the high costs associated with operating and leasing large-scale AI models, and the trade-off between leasing and training one's own models based on the size of a company's user base. Additionally, it was mentioned that hardware upgrades may not always be the main incentive for consumers to buy new phones, as software features and improvements can be just as important. In this context, Samsung's decision to support older devices with software updates was appreciated, even if the AI features might eventually be monetized. The conversation also included a brief discussion on Apple's interaction with third-party companies and a trivia question about the oldest video on YouTube's all-time top 30 list, which currently has 4,400,000,000 views and was uploaded on June 16, 2009.

    YouTube's Baby Shark breaks record with 14 billion views

    The Baby Shark video on YouTube holds the record for the most views with an astounding 14 billion, making it a cultural phenomenon that has surpassed traditional music industry metrics. This success can be attributed to the ease of access and repeatability of videos on YouTube, especially for parents and children. The discussion also touched upon the Department of Justice suing Apple over monopolization concerns, which aims to prevent Apple from creating barriers for consumers to use competing services. The takeaway is that the digital landscape continues to challenge traditional business models and consumer behavior, with streaming platforms and easy access to content playing a significant role in shaping media consumption.

    DOJ accuses Apple of limiting competitors on iPhone

    The Department of Justice is accusing Apple of creating an anti-competitive ecosystem around the iPhone by limiting competitors and stifling their ability to innovate. They argue that Apple's restrictions on apps like WeChat, which offer multiple services in one place, make it harder for users to switch to Android phones. The DOJ believes that allowing these "super apps" to function fully on iOS would make it easier for users to switch platforms. However, it's unclear how Apple's restrictions on these apps differ from the App Store's general guidelines. The DOJ's ultimate goal in suing Apple is to change their behavior and level the playing field for competitors. It remains to be seen whether breaking up Apple is the solution they have in mind.

    Apple's app store policies: Control and security

    Apple's strict app store policies, including their objections to game streaming services and super apps, stem from their desire to maintain control over the user experience and prevent potential harm to users. The Department of Justice's antitrust lawsuit against Apple reveals that Apple's public reasons for blocking these services, such as reviewing too many microservices or ensuring user safety, may not be the full story. Apple's concern is that allowing these services could encourage users to rely less on their iPhones and Apple services, potentially leading to a loss of market share. The discovery phase of the lawsuit will likely reveal more insights into Apple's motivations. Another interesting revelation is Apple's stance on third-party apps sending SMS messages; they only allow SMS messaging through their native Messages app for security reasons. However, this policy could also discourage users from using other messaging apps and further encourage the use of Apple's services.

    Apple's Market Dominance Limits Interoperability

    Apple's dominance in the smartphone and smartwatch market allows them to limit interoperability between their devices and those of competitors. This limits consumer choice and can result in frustration for users who want to use non-Apple devices with their iPhones. For example, users cannot respond to messages or interact with notifications on a non-Apple smartwatch when connected to an iPhone. Apple's argument is that they have the right to make their products work only with each other, but this can be seen as abusing their market share. The lack of interoperability can lead to a higher percentage of people using iPhones and Apple Watches, which the Department of Justice is concerned about. However, some argue that Apple differentiates its products through compelling features, such as Siri, that users want. But without allowing other devices to have the same access, consumers are limited to choosing between Apple's offerings or going without certain features. This can result in a lack of competition and a lack of choice for consumers.

    Apple Watch's closed ecosystem creates limitations and frustrations

    Apple's closed ecosystem with the Apple Watch creates limitations and frustrations for users who are already invested in other brands, such as Garmin, and use an iPhone. While other smartwatches can function independently, the Apple Watch's full potential is only unlocked when connected to an iPhone. This includes the ability to customize notifications, which is a basic feature on Android watches but an "all or nothing" proposition on the Apple Watch. This can be particularly annoying when trying to manage specific app notifications. Additionally, the high cost of the Apple Watch further incentivizes users to stay within the Apple ecosystem, creating a significant barrier to entry for those who prefer other brands or operating systems. This closed ecosystem approach may deter potential customers and create frustration for existing ones.

    Apple's control limits competition

    Apple's control over certain features and functionalities of their devices, such as the Apple Watch only working with iPhones and the exclusive use of the NFC chip for Apple Pay, limits competition in the marketplace. This can prevent consumers from having the freedom to choose alternative options and potentially lead to monopolistic practices. While Apple's ecosystem may offer seamless integration and convenience, it also restricts the ability for other companies to compete effectively. Ultimately, this lack of competition can lead to higher prices and fewer innovative solutions for consumers.

    Chinese market's vibrant hardware ecosystem vs US market's slower innovation

    The Chinese Android market is dominated by WeChat, leading to a vibrant hardware ecosystem with intense competition among OEMs like Xiaomi and Oppo. In contrast, the US market, with its focus on Apple's walled garden and lack of NFC adoption, results in slower innovation and fewer competitive options for consumers. The quote from an Apple executive expressing a desire to slow down innovation and potentially remove features highlights the company's market dominance and the challenges of catering to a diverse user base with varying needs. The awkward moment at a tech event where Tim Cook suggested buying an iPhone for mom to address interoperability issues with Android further underscores the challenges of bridging the gap between the two ecosystems.

    Apple's walled garden limits user experiences and choices

    Apple's closed ecosystem, with its interconnected services and hardware, creates a "walled garden" effect that can limit users' experiences and choices if they don't fully commit to the Apple ecosystem. This can stifle competition and make it difficult for alternative platforms to gain traction. The discussion also touched upon the historical context of Apple's struggle to expand beyond a dominant platform, such as Windows, and how the company's actions today may echo past antitrust concerns. The impact of Apple's walled garden is most significant for new users, particularly children, who may feel pressured to adopt Apple's ecosystem to keep up with their peers. However, it may be too late for significant change in our lifetime or within a few generations.

    Brand loyalty impacts consumers' tech choices

    Brand loyalty plays a significant role in consumers' choices when it comes to technology products, including smartphones. People often stick with the same brand for long periods, as illustrated by anecdotes of individuals continuing to use LG or Samsung phones despite newer alternatives. This loyalty can make it challenging for new brands or models to penetrate the market. Additionally, legal battles, such as the ongoing antitrust lawsuit against Google, may take years to resolve and could impact the tech industry's progress towards future goals, like the widespread adoption of electric vehicles by 2030. In the world of wireless, Visible Wireless offers a unique approach by focusing solely on wireless service and an all-digital platform, making it a good fit for tech-savvy consumers who prefer handling their plans and customer service online. However, for those who prefer shopping for phones in-person or require additional services bundled with their wireless plan, Visible may not be the best option. The tech industry continues to evolve, and understanding consumer behaviors and preferences is crucial for businesses and individuals alike.

    Tesla offers test rides of Full Self-Driving during car deliveries

    Tesla's approach to selling its advanced driver assistance system, Full Self-Driving (FSD), involves offering test rides during car deliveries to convert buyers who may not be familiar with the technology. However, the high cost of FSD, which is $12,000 on top of the car's price, may deter many potential buyers. It was also mentioned that there's a subscription option for $200 a month. Autopilot, a less advanced feature, costs $6,000. There seems to be confusion regarding the features of these systems, with some believing that FSD offers full self-driving capabilities, while it only adds automatic lane changing and positioning on the highway. The conversation also touched upon the naming of these features, which can be misleading. Autopilot is the basic traffic-aware cruise control, while enhanced autopilot includes auto lane change and navigate on autopilot. It's important to note that the hands must remain on the wheel for enhanced autopilot. The conversation ended with a discussion about the numbers of people buying these features, with it being mentioned that not enough people are buying FSD and the trend seems to be going down.

    Tesla's Enhanced Autopilot and Full Self-Driving features: Value and Misnomers

    While Tesla's Enhanced Autopilot offers additional features like auto lane change, exit ramp handling, and parking assistance for $6,000, the value proposition is debatable given that a car's basic functions like staying in the lane and maintaining speed are already included. Furthermore, Tesla's $15,000 Full Self-Driving (FSD) package, which promises almost autonomous driving, is not truly autonomous and requires active driver supervision. The names and labels used for these features can be confusing, with "full self-driving" being a misnomer for a level 2 autonomous vehicle system. It's important to understand that these features significantly reduce the driver's workload but do not make the vehicle fully autonomous.

    Marketing strategies for full self-driving cars

    Full self-driving cars are marketed as offering 100% protection, similar to cleaning materials that claim to kill up to 99% of bacteria. This is a way to get people to commit to buying the technology, even without a demo available. However, if potential buyers know they can get a demo before committing, fewer people might initially buy the car. The oldest video on YouTube's all-time top 30 list, with 4.4 billion views, was uploaded in 2009. It is not "Kony 2012," as some might assume, but rather "Baby" by Justin Bieber. This video was quickly the most disliked video in YouTube history due to Bieber's mainstream popularity at the time. Another interesting tidbit from the conversation was the mention of "Crazy Frog by Axel F," which was actually a cover of the theme song from "Beverly Hills Cop." Despite some confusion during the conversation, the correct answer was confirmed to be "Crazy Frog" as the artist and "Axel F" as the song title. Overall, the conversation touched on various topics, including marketing strategies, technology, and trivia.

    A trip down memory lane: Crazy Frog and the evolution of tech conferences

    The discussion revolved around nostalgic memories of the early 2000s, specifically the popularity of the Crazy Frog song and the evolution of tech conferences like Google IO and Apple's Worldwide Developers Conference (WWDC). The hosts reminisced about the time when Crazy Frog was a cultural phenomenon and how technology events were named differently before they became what we know them as today. During the conversation, they shared personal anecdotes about their experiences with Crazy Frog and how it brought people together. They also discussed the quiz system they use for yearly events and attempted to answer trivia questions related to the first Google IO and WWDC, revealing some interesting historical facts. The hosts also touched upon the evolution of Apple's developer conferences, which were once called Apple 2 Forever, Apple World Conference, Apple Developers Conference, and Dev Developer Conference, before settling on the current name. They also discussed the release of Safari as a default browser with OSX 10.3 Panther, but before that, a third-party browser was included on all Macs from 1998 to 2003. Overall, the discussion highlighted the importance of nostalgia and the evolution of technology, while also showcasing the hosts' playful and engaging banter.

    Intense competition and antitrust issues in web browsers during the 1990s

    The history of technology, particularly in the realm of web browsers, is filled with intense competition and antitrust issues. During the 1990s, companies like Netscape and Microsoft engaged in high-stakes battles, with Microsoft aiming to "take the oxygen out of Netscape's lungs" according to Microsoft executives. This quote, which sounds more like a mob threat than a business strategy, highlights the intense competition and the high stakes involved in the industry during that time. The discussion also touched upon various technological advancements, such as the IO shirt, AI, and the metaverse, which further illustrate the rapid pace of innovation and change in the tech sector. It's fascinating to see how the industry has evolved over the years, with acronyms like AI, Dub Dub, IO, FSD, and the metaverse becoming commonplace. Overall, the conversation underscores the importance of competition and innovation in driving technological progress, as well as the potential consequences of antitrust issues.

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    This week, there was a surprising amount of big news but one eclipsed the others. Marques, Andrew, and David talk about experiencing a total eclipse and the new Find My Device on Android network before diving deep into the Humane AI Pin. Marques is still working on his review so these are his first thoughts and impressions on the device after using it for a few days. At the end, we play Headlines in a Hat with a 1-sentence twist before closing it out with some trivia. Enjoy! Links:  Techcrunch Google Vids: https://tcrn.ch/3vO8p2u Techcrunch AI Editing to Google Photos: https://bit.ly/3xyDRlS Google Find My Device: https://bit.ly/3UbR6lp Beeper Acquired by Automattic: https://bit.ly/4cNdB7D New Meta Quest features: https://bit.ly/3VRcwFL 9to5Mac Apple Ferret UI: https://bit.ly/4cUEx5d Verge Google Gemini 1.5 Pro: https://bit.ly/49B7791 Shop the merch: https://shop.mkbhd.com Socials: Waveform: https://twitter.com/WVFRM Waveform: https://www.threads.net/@waveformpodcast Marques: https://www.threads.net/@mkbhd Andrew: https://www.threads.net/@andrew_manganelli David Imel: https://www.threads.net/@davidimel Adam: https://www.threads.net/@parmesanpapi17 Ellis: https://twitter.com/EllisRovin TikTok:  https://www.tiktok.com/@waveformpodcast Join the Discord: https://discord.gg/mkbhd Music by 20syl: https://bit.ly/2S53xlC Waveform is part of the Vox Media Podcast Network. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

    Is the Vision Pro Worth it Now?

    Is the Vision Pro Worth it Now?
    This week, we start off by discussing some of the better April Fool's jokes including our own Teslabot short and the Discord loot box fiasco. After that it's all about Apple. We talk about Apple trying to take over podcasts, bringing RCS to iPhone later this year, and an update that came to personas on the Apple Vision Pro. Lastly, we round it out by discussing the Xiaomi electric car before finishing up with trivia. Enjoy! Links:  SoKrispyMedia: https://bit.ly/4anqpjp Mode Keyboards April Fool's Joke: https://bit.ly/49rORid IGN Virtual Boy Pro: https://bit.ly/4aHYj1M Semafor Apple Podcasts: https://bit.ly/4aiQrEg Google Podcasts is Dead: https://bit.ly/4aHYlGW KilledByGoogle: https://bit.ly/4aGWodV Google Leaks Apple News: https://bit.ly/3xmg7kS Cleo's Apple Vision Pro Video: https://bit.ly/4cN9mZu Telescope's Xiaomi SU7 Video: https://bit.ly/49r8ZkC Autofocus VinFast VF8 Review: https://bit.ly/49s5b2i Shop the merch: https://shop.mkbhd.com Socials: Waveform: https://twitter.com/WVFRM Waveform: https://www.threads.net/@waveformpodcast Marques: https://www.threads.net/@mkbhd Andrew: https://www.threads.net/@andrew_manganelli David Imel: https://www.threads.net/@davidimel Adam: https://www.threads.net/@parmesanpapi17 Ellis: https://twitter.com/EllisRovin TikTok:  https://www.tiktok.com/@waveformpodcast Join the Discord: https://discord.gg/mkbhd Music by 20syl: https://bit.ly/2S53xlC Waveform is part of the Vox Media Podcast Network. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

    Is Apple Breaking the Law?

    Is Apple Breaking the Law?
    This week, we finally talk about Apple getting sued by the Department of Justice in the United States, but only after talking about Threads finally federating (kinda). We also discuss the upcoming developer conferences that were announced by both Google and Apple and talk about what we expect to see. Lastly, we talk about Full Self Driving and break down what exactly you get with each tier of Teslas autopilot. Of course, we wrap it all up with a little trivia. Enjoy! Links:  Threads on ActivityPub: https://bit.ly/3TYoCeV Verge Threads Fediverse Beta: https://bit.ly/3x8AW32 PixelFed: https://bit.ly/3TT6xie Google I/O: https://bit.ly/4aCcshf Apple WWDC: https://apple.co/3TFuI2a Samsung Galaxy S24 Ultra Galaxy AI Fine Print: https://bit.ly/3vyqtxC Galaxy AI Story: https://bit.ly/4aa8k8r DOJ Sues Apple: https://bit.ly/3TD4vl5 DOJ Court Document: https://bit.ly/3xdnM4R Electrek Elon Musk FSD: https://bit.ly/3TBH1wC Shop the merch: https://shop.mkbhd.com Socials: Waveform: https://twitter.com/WVFRM Waveform: https://www.threads.net/@waveformpodcast Marques: https://www.threads.net/@mkbhd Andrew: https://www.threads.net/@andrew_manganelli David Imel: https://www.threads.net/@davidimel Adam: https://www.threads.net/@parmesanpapi17 Ellis: https://twitter.com/EllisRovin TikTok:  https://www.tiktok.com/@waveformpodcast Join the Discord: https://discord.gg/mkbhd Music by 20syl: https://bit.ly/2S53xlC Waveform is part of the Vox Media Podcast Network. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

    Our Favorite Productivity Apps!

    Our Favorite Productivity Apps!
    This week, we have a fun bonus episode where David Pierce from the Vergecast tries to help Marques convince Andrew to use a proper to-do list app instead of his alarm clock. Throughout the episode they gather information on how Andrew handles his task list and then try to figure out which app would be best for him to use. Then we turn the tables and see how fast David Pierce can type the alphabet! Enjoy! Shop the merch: https://shop.mkbhd.com Socials: Waveform: https://twitter.com/WVFRM Waveform: https://www.threads.net/@waveformpodcast Marques: https://www.threads.net/@mkbhd Andrew: https://www.threads.net/@andrew_manganelli David Pierce: https://www.threads.net/@imdavidpierce David Imel: https://www.threads.net/@davidimel Adam: https://www.threads.net/@parmesanpapi17 Ellis: https://twitter.com/EllisRovin TikTok:  https://www.tiktok.com/@waveformpodcast Join the Discord: https://discord.gg/mkbhd Music by 20syl: https://bit.ly/2S53xlC Waveform is part of the Vox Media Podcast Network. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

    iPhone...Powered by Google Gemini?

    iPhone...Powered by Google Gemini?
    This week, a lot happened! First, we talk about Mr. Beast making a show with Amazon before jumping into an Apex Legends hack that occurred. After that, Pixel 8a leaks get discussed before talking about the rumored deal that might put Google Gemini on the iPhone. We wrap it all up with a few wish list items that we hope to see from our favorite tech before getting into the trivia answers. Enjoy! Links: Mr. Beast on Colin & Samir: https://bit.ly/3Tl3M7S Mr. Beast and Amazon Prime Video: https://bit.ly/4asH70p Joanna Stern and Mira Murati Interview: https://bit.ly/3PtljJZ Apex Legends Hack: https://bit.ly/3PvYo0u Android Authority Pixel 8a Leaks: https://bit.ly/3TLRhDz Small Phones are Dead Video: https://bit.ly/3vbjiva Apple and Google Gemini Deal: https://reut.rs/3ve3PKP ChatGPT-5: https://bit.ly/4a4xUvt Shop the merch: https://shop.mkbhd.com Shop products mentioned: Google Pixel 8 at https://geni.us/8YfSO Ember Mug 2 at https://geni.us/7jplAX Apple MacBook Pro M3 14” at https://geni.us/PSYdMeX Instagram/Threads/Twitter: Waveform: https://twitter.com/WVFRM Waveform: https://www.threads.net/@waveformpodcast Marques: https://www.threads.net/@mkbhd Andrew: https://www.threads.net/@andrew_manganelli David Imel: https://www.threads.net/@davidimel Adam: https://www.threads.net/@parmesanpapi17 Ellis: https://twitter.com/EllisRovin TikTok:  https://www.tiktok.com/@waveformpodcast Join the Discord: https://discord.gg/mkbhd Music by 20syl: https://bit.ly/2S53xlC Waveform is part of the Vox Media Podcast Network. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices