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    As the U.S. tries to fix its messy immigration system, our neighbor to the north is scooping up more talented newcomers every year. Are the Canadians stealing America’s bacon? (Part three of a three-part series.)

     

    • SOURCES:
      • Zeke Hernandez, professor at the Wharton School at the University of Pennsylvania.
      • William Kerr, professor of business administration at Harvard Business School.
      • David Leonhardt, senior writer at the New York Times.
      • Sindhu Mahadevan, creator of This Immigrant Life newsletter.
      • Marc Miller, Member of Parliament and Minister of Immigration, Refugees, and Citizenship of Canada.
      • Mike Savage, Mayor of Halifax, Nova Scotia.

     

     

    🔑 Key Takeaways

    • Canada aims to bring in 500k permanent residents and up to 1m temporary immigrants yearly, making it a global leader in per capita immigration.
    • Canada prioritizes immigration to overcome demographic challenges, with a points-based system and emphasis on skilled workers, while exploring options like extending retirement ages and increasing female labor force participation.
    • Canada is known for its positive consensus towards immigration and experimentation, while the US system is divisive and complicated, leaving skilled workers in limbo.
    • Canada is attracting US workers with efficient immigration process and high demand for skilled labor, despite higher cost of living.
    • Canada's immigration system faces challenges due to rising anti-immigrant sentiment and economic demands, requiring careful management of accommodation costs and labor market integration.
    • The housing crisis in Canada is a complex issue with a lack of federal investment and immigration adding demand to the existing market. A labor shortage in the construction industry and skills mismatch are also contributing factors. More investment and solutions are needed to address the affordable housing crisis.
    • Canada's inclusivity and skills-based immigration policies attract half a million new immigrants annually, offering a desirable destination for global talent, while the US misses out due to an outdated system.
    • Canada's immigration system prioritizes economic contributions but recognizes the importance of family reunification. Policymakers advocate for a balanced approach, focusing on both family-based and employment-based immigration, while ensuring rigor in defining families and making the system more flexible.
    • Canada's immigration system offers a more stable and opportunity-rich environment, with a focus on skills and potential contributions, and a more predictable process compared to the US system's uncertainty and political polarization.
    • The Freakonomics Radio podcast explores cities offering affordable living, quality education, and strong communities, addressing immigration issues and interviewing Fareed Zakaria on politics, global issues, and moral courage.

    📝 Podcast Summary

    Canada's Immigration Expansion

    Canada is aggressively expanding its immigration program to address labor shortages and population growth, surpassing the United States in per capita terms. This shift is significant, with nearly 25% of Canada's population being foreign-born, and a goal to bring in half a million permanent residents annually. The influx extends beyond permanent residents, with potentially up to a million temporary immigrants, including students and specialized workers. The Canadian government, represented by Minister of Immigration, Refuges and Citizenship Mark Miller, remains confident and unfazed by the scale of this immigration experiment.

    Canada's focus on immigration for economic growth

    Canada, like many other countries, is facing demographic challenges and needs to use immigration to grow its economy and workforce. This is evident in the higher immigration rates and emphasis on a points-based system in Canada, compared to the US's employer-based system. The competition for highly skilled immigrants is intense, and countries are exploring options such as extending retirement ages, increasing female labor force participation, and using technology to address their aging populations. Canada, under the leadership of Minister Mark Miller, recognizes the importance of immigration for the future of the country, particularly in sustaining social services and healthcare for its aging population. While there are similarities between the US and Canadian approaches to immigration, it's essential to recognize the unique historical and cultural contexts that shape each country's policies.

    Canada vs US: Different Approaches to Immigration

    While both Canada and the United States have been shaped by vast waves of immigration, their approaches to immigration policies and the political climate surrounding them differ significantly. Canada is described as an "immigrant engineering country," with a more positive consensus and a capacity for experimentation and adaptation. In contrast, the US immigration system has become extremely divisive, with a focus on illegal immigration leading to chaos and complications in addressing the issue. The Canadian government has seized opportunities to attract immigrants, such as the successful "scoop program" for H-1B visa holders, while the US system can leave skilled workers in limbo. These differences reflect the unique historical, geographical, and political contexts of each country.

    Canada's streamlined immigration process for skilled workers

    Canada is actively competing to attract productive and industrious immigrants, offering a more streamlined process for those with specialized skills through initiatives like the Global Talent Stream. This proximity and efficient immigration process make Canada an attractive alternative for US workers who may struggle with the lottery-based system and high cost of living in the US. However, it's important to note that while the process may be more straightforward, the cost of living in Canada, particularly in cities like Toronto, can be significantly higher.

    Managing the influx of immigrants in Canada

    The Canadian immigration system is at a tipping point, with Canadians expressing a desire for fewer immigrants and the political consensus on immigration being challenged. However, Canada still needs immigration due to a significant labor market demand and economic contribution. The challenge lies in managing the influx of immigrants and accommodating them in areas such as education, healthcare, and housing. The cost of accommodating new immigrants is a concern for cities like Halifax, which has seen rapid growth due to immigration. While immigrants contribute to the economy in the long run, there are initial costs that need to be covered. The federal government has limited control over these issues, as provinces and territories also face accommodation challenges. The historical context of immigration in Canada, from the late 19th and early 20th centuries to the present day, shows that immigration patterns have fluctuated, and the current trend may not be permanent.

    The housing crisis in Canada: A complex issue with roots in a lack of federal investment and immigration demand

    The housing crisis in Canada, which has been exacerbated by immigration, is a complex issue with roots in a lack of federal investment in housing over the past 40 years. The cost of growth, including the expectation for basic services like water, transit, and parks, is a significant burden on cities. Immigration has added demand to the existing housing market, but the housing crisis was present before the recent surge in immigration. The construction industry is facing a labor shortage, and there is a need for better job matching and aftercare programs for new immigrants. While some initiatives have been taken, such as a ban on foreign buyers and $80 billion in new construction, more investment and solutions are needed to address the affordable housing crisis. The lack of preparation for the influx of immigrants and the mismatch between skills and jobs are also contributing factors.

    Canada's Inclusivity and Skills-Based Immigration Attracting Talent

    Canada, with its acceptance of multilingualism and hard-to-define national identity, is positioning itself as a desirable destination for immigrants, particularly those with skills and talent. The country's emphasis on employment-based immigration and smaller population size allows for a higher percentage of skilled individuals in the population. However, as Canada continues to welcome half a million new immigrants each year, there are concerns about potential backlash and strains on resources, particularly in regards to healthcare and affordable housing. The US, with its outdated immigration system and focus on family-based immigration, is missing out on the opportunity to attract and retain the world's best and brightest talent. The Canadian dream, with its emphasis on inclusivity and acceptance, offers a different perspective from the American dream, and it remains to be seen how these values will shape Canada's future as a global immigrant destination.

    Balancing Family Reunification and Economic Contributions in Immigration

    While optimizing for productive workers is important in an immigration system, keeping families intact and reuniting them should also be a priority. Canada's Minister of Immigration, Mark Miller, emphasizes the importance of economic contributions but acknowledges the significance of family reunification. David Lee, a Times journalist, believes that immigration policies should focus on keeping families together while being rigorous in defining families. Zeek Hernandez advocates for a more balanced approach, combining family-based and employment-based immigration. The geopolitical competition for talent is real, but the biggest threat to a functioning immigration system may be internal issues. To address this, Bill Kerr, a Harvard Business School economist, suggests increasing the number of immigrants, rebalancing the system towards employment-based migration, making it easier for international students to work, and building flexibility into the system. Ultimately, it's essential to frame immigration as a net positive and prioritize both family reunification and economic contributions.

    Canada as an Alternative to US Immigration

    The current immigration system in the US, particularly in the context of employment-based migration, is facing increasing political polarization and uncertainty. The system, historically not closely aligned to political parties, is now seen as more Democratic-leaning due to the party's traditionally pro-immigration stance. However, the speaker believes that Canada is trying to position itself as an alternative, offering a more stable and opportunity-rich environment for immigrants. The Canadian dream, as the speaker describes it, includes a universal healthcare system and a move towards universal dental benefits. The speaker acknowledges that reality can be tough in both countries but emphasizes the potential benefits of Canada's immigration system. The selection process in Canada is more rigorous, and immigrants are assessed based on their skills and potential contributions. The speaker invites listeners to consider their own suitability for immigration to Canada, emphasizing that each case is evaluated individually. Overall, the speaker suggests that Canada is trying to offer a more predictable and opportunity-rich environment for immigrants, in contrast to the uncertainty and political polarization surrounding the US immigration system.

    Discovering Affordable Cities with Quality Education and Community

    While certain areas in the United States offer high wages and a vibrant urban lifestyle, other regions provide excellent opportunities for high quality education, affordable living, and a great community. For instance, cities like those discussed in the Freakonomics Radio podcast offer affordable daycare, education, and a good work-life balance. However, the weather can be a drawback, with some people preferring a dry cold over a wet one. Regarding immigration, the podcast series aims to provide answers to the many questions surrounding the current immigration situation in the US and the future of millions of people who aspire to be part of the American society. The upcoming episode features an interview with Fareed Zakaria, discussing the origins of the left-right divide in politics, global issues like China, Russia, and the Middle East, and the importance of moral courage in today's complex world. The Freakonomics Radio is produced by Stitcher and Renbud Radio, and their team includes a diverse group of individuals from various backgrounds, reflecting the multifaceted nature of society.

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