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    A step-by-step guide to crafting a sales pitch that wins | April Dunford (author of Obviously Awesome and Sales Pitch)

    enOctober 22, 2023

    Podcast Summary

    • Overcoming Buyer Indecision: Crafting Compelling Sales Pitches for B2B SuccessBy using a framework to create and test sales pitches, businesses can differentiate themselves, generate excitement, and increase their chances of closing deals with hesitant buyers.

      A significant number of B2B purchase processes end in no decision because buyers struggle to make confident choices. April Dunford, a renowned product positioning expert, highlights that the majority of buyers do not reject new products because they prefer their existing solutions. Instead, they often opt to delay decisions and play it safe. Dunford emphasizes the importance of crafting compelling sales pitches to overcome this issue. Her new book, Sales Pitch, offers a framework that helps businesses pitch and sell their products effectively. By focusing on positioning and testing sales pitches with potential customers, companies can differentiate themselves from competitors and generate excitement, ultimately improving their chances of closing deals.

    • The Importance of Proper Positioning in Effective Sales PitchesEffective sales pitches focus on the value delivered by features, highlight unique value propositions, and address how they differ from the competition to provide a compelling answer to the crucial question of why customers should choose a specific product or service.

      Effective sales pitches require proper positioning to avoid sounding like a generic product overview. Instead of simply listing features, it is important to focus on the value delivered by those features. For example, the company Help Scout positioned themselves as a customer service solution specifically designed for digital businesses. They emphasized that providing excellent customer service in this context improves loyalty, repeat purchases, and drives growth. On the other hand, traditional companies often consider customer service as a cost center and prioritize cost reduction over customer satisfaction. By highlighting the unique value they offer and addressing how they differ from competing solutions, Help Scout presented a more compelling pitch that answers the crucial question of why customers should choose them.

    • The Effective Pitch Structure for Sales SituationsHighlight the market insight and differentiate the value proposition to effectively communicate offerings and stand out from competitors in sales pitches, leading to increased success in closing deals.

      The pitch structure discussed by April Dunford is highly effective in sales situations. The pitch consists of two main parts: the setup and the differentiated value. In the setup, it is crucial to highlight the market insight or point of view on the problem. For example, Help Scout emphasizes that customer service is a growth driver for digital businesses, not just a cost center. This sets the stage for explaining the unique value proposition. The focus should then shift to explaining why potential clients should choose the product or service over competitors. By addressing these key points in a sales pitch, businesses can better communicate their offering and stand out from the competition, leading to increased success in closing deals.

    • Building a Strong Foundation for Customer SolutionsUnderstand the market, discuss alternatives, deliver differentiated value, address objections, and define next steps to create a successful solution for the customer.

      When presenting a solution to a customer, it is crucial to start with a shared insight into the market. This insight should not be controversial and should align with the customer's perspective and pain points. By establishing this common ground, you lay a solid foundation for further discussion. Additionally, it is important to evaluate and discuss alternative solutions, highlighting their pros and cons. This helps create a comprehensive picture of the market landscape and establishes credibility. Moving forward, focus on delivering differentiated value. Clearly articulate the value you provide and how you deliver it, reinforcing the agreed-upon problem-solving approach. Include proof of your capabilities and address any objections that may arise, ensuring that the customer understands and trusts your solution. Finally, end with a clear ask, specifying the next steps in your sales process.

    • Addressing Operational Concerns and Building Trust in the Sales Process.By addressing operational concerns, engaging in meaningful conversations, and adopting a teaching mindset, sales professionals can build trust and guide buyers towards finding the right solution for their needs.

      During the sales process, it is crucial to address the operational concerns and objections that potential buyers may have. Often, buyers are mentally sold on the idea, but worry about practicalities such as getting approval from IT or securing budget. In B2B sales, there is usually a network of people who need to agree before moving forward with a purchase, thus leading to objections around that. Another important aspect is the discovery phase, which is often overlooked in sales pitches. By engaging in a conversation with clients, discussing their current situation, constraints, and past experiences, a clear understanding of their needs and alignment can be established. Moreover, it is vital to adopt a teaching mindset and present a broader perspective, building trust and addressing the buyer's lack of market understanding. Ultimately, it is important to guide buyers in determining their purchase criteria and finding the right solution for their specific problem.

    • Alleviating Stress for B2B Software BuyersBy providing support and guidance to B2B software buyers, sellers can help alleviate their stress and increase the chances of a successful sale.

      B2B software buyers face immense stress and pressure when making purchasing decisions. They fear making a wrong choice that could result in negative consequences for themselves and their organizations. As a result, many B2B purchase processes end in no decision, as buyers feel more comfortable delaying the decision rather than taking a risk. This highlights the importance for software sellers to provide buyers with the support they need to make confident decisions. Instead of solely focusing on showcasing their own products, sellers should offer perspectives on the market and help buyers weigh their options. By understanding the buyer's high-stakes situation and providing guidance, sellers can alleviate stress and increase the likelihood of a successful sale.

    • The ineffectiveness of using FOMO to pressure customers into making a purchaseProviding customers with the necessary tools and support to make informed decisions leads to more successful outcomes, rather than using FOMO tactics that increase stress and decrease the likelihood of closing a deal.

      Using FOMO (Fear of Missing Out) to pressure indecisive customers into making a purchase isn't effective. In fact, it can make the situation worse. Research has shown that throwing FOMO into the mix increases customer stress and decreases the likelihood of closing a deal. Instead, a more successful approach is to provide customers with the tools they need to make informed decisions. This includes painting a clear picture of the market and teaching them how to buy. Additionally, techniques such as breaking a big deal into smaller pieces, offering money-back guarantees, and providing supportive services can help alleviate the fear of making a mistake. Understanding and addressing the secondary job of the deal champion – how to make a decision without getting fired – is crucial in achieving successful outcomes.

    • Understanding the role of the champion in B2B sales and tailoring your approach for success.To succeed in B2B sales, focus on the champion's needs, arm them with information, and address the concerns of all stakeholders to increase the likelihood of a successful sale.

      In B2B sales, it's crucial to understand the dynamics of the buying process and the role of the champion. The champion is the person tasked with choosing a solution and plays a critical role in getting the deal through. Therefore, it is essential to tailor your positioning and pitch to address their needs and concerns. However, it doesn't stop there. Once the deal is in progress, you need to arm the champion with the necessary information and tools to handle objections from other stakeholders. This means understanding the concerns and priorities of different groups involved in the buying process and addressing them effectively. By doing so, you can increase the chances of getting consensus and moving the deal forward successfully.

    • Anticipating objections and building trust in salesAddressing potential objections early on and tailoring solutions to stakeholder needs is key to building trust, closing deals, and aligning product development with sales and marketing strategies.

      Being a good partner in sales means anticipating and addressing potential objections or concerns early on in the buyer's journey. This involves understanding the specific worries of different stakeholders, such as IT or end users, and providing reassurances or solutions tailored to their needs. By proactively addressing these objections, sales teams can build trust and confidence with customers, increasing the likelihood of closing deals. This framework is applicable to B2B companies with sales teams, but even those without dedicated sales resources can leverage it to create a compelling marketing story. It's crucial to have enough market traction and knowledge of the sales process to effectively guide customers through the purchase journey. Additionally, product teams can benefit from this approach by aligning their product development with sales and marketing strategies, ensuring that they address customer concerns and provide the necessary ammunition for successful selling.

    • Aligning Product Knowledge with Sales PitchingCollaborative teamwork between product, marketing, and sales teams is essential to effectively communicate and highlight the unique value propositions of a solution, resulting in a more impactful sales pitch.

      A successful sales pitch requires a deep understanding of your differentiated value. It is common for companies to have a knowledgeable product team that understands the value of their solution, but this information is not effectively communicated to the sales team. Instead, sales teams often focus on pitching features rather than value. To fix this issue, it is important to have a cross-functional team, including product, marketing, and sales, work together on positioning. By combining the knowledge of the product team with the insights of the sales team, a clearer and more effective definition of the differentiated value can be developed. This will ultimately lead to a stronger sales pitch that highlights unique value propositions that competitors cannot match.

    • Leveraging Unique Capabilities for Powerful Sales OutcomesUnderstanding and effectively communicating the unique value that sets your company apart from competitors can lead to increased trust, credibility, and revenue growth.

      The key to a successful sales pitch is understanding your differentiated value and translating it into a compelling insight. This means recognizing what sets your company apart from the competition and why it matters to potential customers. By leveraging your unique capabilities, such as being built on a platform like Salesforce, you can offer integrated solutions that directly impact sales outcomes. This differentiated value becomes even more powerful when it aligns with a broader insight that resonates with customers, such as the importance of measuring sales enablement effectiveness with sales metrics. Being honest about your competition, acknowledging their strengths, and confidently stating who your offering is best suited for can help establish trust and credibility. Ultimately, recognizing and effectively communicating your differentiated value and its associated insight can significantly influence buying decisions and drive revenue growth.

    • Value, Fit, and the Path to SuccessCompanies should have confidence in their value and fit for potential clients, knowing when to walk away from incompatible business. Creating a new category is not the only path to success; alternative approaches should be considered.

      Companies should have a calm confidence about their value and fit for potential clients. It's important to recognize when a client is not the right fit and be willing to walk away from that business. Instead of chasing every opportunity, companies should focus on those where they know they are the best fit. Qualification calls and other signals can help determine if a potential client aligns with the company's offerings. Additionally, while creating a new category can be a way to build a legendary business, it is not the only way. Many successful companies have thrived without creating a new category. It's important to consider alternative approaches and recognize that category creation is not the most common path to success.

    • From Niche Players to Category Creators: A Strategic Approach to Market DominanceStart as a niche player in an existing category, then leverage market understanding to become dominant. Extend category boundaries for continued growth and target underserved segments for a competitive advantage.

      Most successful companies, even category creators, do not start out as category creators. They begin as niche players in existing categories because that's the easiest way to gain traction early on. By positioning themselves within a familiar category, they can leverage existing market understanding. However, it's important to note that category creators often get overtaken by fast followers once they become dominant players. A smart move for established companies is to extend the boundaries of the category to continue growing. This can be seen in examples like Qualtrics and Snowflake. While category creation can be successful, it's more common for companies to dominate a specific segment of the market and then expand from there. This approach, known as the bowling pin strategy, involves targeting underserved segments of a larger market to gain a competitive advantage.

    • Strategic Segmentation: Establishing a Beachhead to Challenge Market LeadersBy targeting smaller segments and gradually expanding, companies can challenge market leaders by strategically building their presence and delivering on customer requirements.

      Companies can strategically approach their market by targeting a specific segment that the market leader may not care about. This can be compared to knocking over a bowling pin, enabling the company to establish a beachhead and gradually expand their reach by targeting adjacent pins. By focusing on these smaller segments and gradually growing, companies can eventually challenge and even overtake the market leader. This approach allows companies to strategically build their presence and gain the necessary momentum to compete in the larger market. Additionally, the key to success lies in aligning with customers' perspectives on the perfect solution and demonstrating the ability to deliver on those requirements.

    • The Importance of Differentiated Value in Sales CallsSales calls should focus on presenting the unique aspects and value of a product or service, addressing objections, and providing proof, while prioritizing strong positioning and involving sales teams for success.

      A successful sales call should focus more on the differentiated value phase rather than just showcasing product features. This phase should account for more than half of the call's time. It involves presenting the unique and valuable aspects of the product or service, demonstrating how it solves customer problems or improves their experience. Additionally, providing proof of the claimed value is crucial, either through customer testimonials or data. Addressing objections that prospects may have is also important, followed by presenting the next step in the sales process. To ensure success, companies should prioritize strong positioning before developing a sales pitch, involving sales teams in the process, and consistently testing and refining their approach.

    • Involving Sales Management for Successful Sales Pitch ChangeIncorporating experienced sales reps in training and testing new pitches can lead to improved deal conversion rates and overall sales performance.

      When it comes to changing sales pitches, getting sales management involved is crucial. Sales reps are often resistant to giving up their current pitch, even if they don't like it, because they are comfortable with it and have memorized it. To successfully introduce a new pitch, start by involving the best sales rep in training and testing the new pitch with qualified prospects. Continuously gather feedback and make necessary adjustments until the rep feels confident and believes the new pitch is better. Once the best rep approves the pitch, use their success and expertise to convince the rest of the sales team to adopt it. This collaborative approach, led by experienced reps, can lead to immediate improvements in deal conversion rates and overall sales performance, especially in challenging economic conditions.

    • Developing and implementing a new pitch and positioning with speed and motivation.By investing time in rethinking the pitch, companies can see increased sales and a doubling of deals brought from first sales call to opportunity.

      Speed and motivation are key when it comes to developing and implementing a new pitch and positioning. While the timeline may vary depending on the company's size and deal flow, it is possible to go from start to finish in as little as two weeks. However, on average, companies take about a month to complete this process. Marketing plays a crucial role in positioning, as they become the stewards and enforcers of the positioning once it's established. The immediate impact of investing time in rethinking the pitch can be seen in increased sales, with companies reporting a doubling of deals brought from first sales call to opportunity by tightening up the pitch.

    • Improving your pitch can boost revenue growth.To make an impact, focus on articulating the unique value of your offering and finding a unique insight to differentiate yourself from competitors.

      Tightening up your pitch can have a significant impact on revenue growth. Many companies have pitches that are so bad that even a small improvement can make a big difference in how much business they generate. This is especially true when it comes to positioning and differentiating your product or service. While some frameworks may focus on the idea that new is inherently better than old, it's important to remember that customers often value safety and trust in known brands. To truly stand out, you need to articulate the unique value that your offering provides, beyond just being new. Additionally, starting with a trend in your pitch may not be enough if your competitors can make the same claim. Ultimately, finding a unique insight into the trend will help you truly differentiate your offering.

    • The Many Paths to Business SuccessSuccess in business is not limited to one method; businesses should experiment, adapt frameworks, and continuously learn and adapt to find their own path to success.

      There is no one-size-fits-all approach to success in business. The idea promoted by category creation experts that it is the only way to be successful is simply not true. There are multiple paths to achieving success, and what works for one company may not work for another. It is important for businesses to experiment, explore different frameworks, and adapt them to their specific situation. Rather than being slaves to a specific method, companies should use these frameworks as a starting point and tweak them to fit their needs. The only certainty in business is that there are no hard and fast rules that guarantee success, and it is an ongoing challenge that requires continuous learning and adaptation.

    • The Importance of Attitude and Persuasive Writing in Hiring Marketing ProfessionalsAttitude and persuasive writing are crucial qualities to look for when hiring marketing professionals. These skills can be assessed through a writing test where candidates sell a recent purchase, providing insight into their abilities for product marketing and marketing roles.

      When it comes to hiring marketing professionals, focusing on attitude and the ability to do persuasive writing can be crucial. April Dunford, a VP of Marketing, shares her experience of looking for candidates who are enthusiastic about the company's goals and are able to effectively communicate and persuade through their writing. She believes that while many skills can be taught, persuasive writing is a foundational skill that should ideally be present in marketers. To assess this skill, she used a writing test where candidates had to sell her on a recent purchase in two paragraphs. This approach allows her to gauge whether individuals possess the necessary skills for product marketing and marketing roles.

    • The Joy of Fountain Pens and a Chill MindsetFind joy and satisfaction in simple things like using a fountain pen, and remember that adopting a chill mindset can help navigate through life's challenges with ease.

      Sometimes it's the small and low-tech things that bring us the most joy. April Dunford shares her recent fascination with fountain pens, particularly the Lamy AL-Star. These pens may not be expensive, but they offer a unique and satisfying writing experience that surpasses ballpoint pens or rollerball pens. The feel of writing with a fountain pen is totally different and brings a sense of delight. Moreover, April Dunford's philosophy of "nothing's a big deal" serves as a valuable lesson. It reminds us that we often build things up in our minds, but in reality, most situations aren't as significant as we perceive them to be. Adopting a chill mindset can help us navigate through life's ups and downs with ease.

    • The Value of Perseverance and Resilience in EntrepreneurshipPerseverance and resilience are essential qualities for success, both in business and in life. No matter the challenges faced, continuing to push forward and maintain a positive mindset can lead to eventual success.

      Perseverance and resilience are key qualities for success in entrepreneurship. April Dunford's experience growing up in an entrepreneurial family taught her the importance of grinding it out and never giving up. Despite facing highs and lows in her father's business, they kept going and eventually things worked out well. This lesson extends beyond just business, as it serves as a reminder to stay determined in the face of challenges in any aspect of life. Dunford's story emphasizes the value of persistence and the belief that with continued effort, things will eventually fall into place. So, no matter the setbacks or obstacles, it's important to keep pushing forward and maintain a positive mindset.

    • The Importance of Prioritizing Usefulness and Creating Genuine ValueBeing genuinely helpful and creating something valuable is essential in making a lasting impact and building meaningful connections, as emphasized by April Dunford and Arnold Schwarzenegger.

      Being useful should be a primary focus in any endeavor. April Dunford emphasizes the importance of creating something that is genuinely helpful rather than simply aiming to entertain or please others. Her goal is to share her knowledge and expertise to assist others, addressing their struggles and unlocking solutions for them. By prioritizing usefulness, we can make a lasting impact and build meaningful connections. This notion aligns with the idea of Arnold Schwarzenegger's new book titled "Be Useful," which highlights the significance of being helpful in achieving success. When we strive to create something valuable and beneficial, we can make a positive difference in the lives of others.

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    What most people miss about marketing | Rory Sutherland (Vice Chairman of Ogilvy UK, author)

    What most people miss about marketing | Rory Sutherland (Vice Chairman of Ogilvy UK, author)

    Rory Sutherland is widely regarded as one of the most influential (and most entertaining) thinkers in marketing and behavioral science. He’s the vice chairman of Ogilvy UK, the author of Alchemy: The Dark Art and Curious Science of Creating Magic in Brands, Business, and Life, and the founder of Nudgestock, the world’s biggest festival of behavioral science and creativity. He champions thinking from first principles and using human psychology—what he calls “thinking psycho-logically”—over mere logic. In our conversation, we cover:

    • Why good products don’t always succeed, and bad ones don’t necessarily fail

    • Why less functionality can sometimes be more valuable

    • The importance of fame in building successful brands

    • The importance of timing in product success

    • The concept of “most advanced, yet acceptable”

    • Why metrics-driven workplaces can be demotivating

    • Lots of real-world case studies

    • Much more

    Note: We encountered some technical difficulties that led to less than ideal video quality for this episode, but the lessons from this conversation made it impossible for me to not publish it anyway. Thanks for your understanding and for bearing with the less-than-ideal video quality. 

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    Find the transcript at: https://www.lennysnewsletter.com/p/what-most-people-miss-about-marketing

    Where to find Rory Sutherland:

    • X: https://x.com/rorysutherland

    • LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/rorysutherland

    • Book: Alchemy: The Dark Art and Curious Science of Creating Magic in Brands, Business, and Life: https://www.amazon.com/Alchemy-Curious-Science-Creating-Business/dp/006238841X

    Where to find Lenny:

    • Newsletter: https://www.lennysnewsletter.com

    • X: https://twitter.com/lennysan

    • LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/lennyrachitsky/

    In this episode, we cover:

    (00:00) Rory’s background

    (02:37) The success and failure of products

    (04:08) Why the urge to appear serious can be a disaster in marketing

    (08:05) The role of distinctiveness in product design

    (12:29) The MAYA principle

    (15:50) How thinking irrationally can be advantageous

    (17:40) The fault of multiple-choice tests

    (21:31) Companies that have successfully implemented out-of-the-box thinking

    (30:31) “Psycho-logical” thinking

    (31:45) The hare and the dog metaphor

    (38:51) Marketing’s crucial role in product adoption

    (49:21) The quirks of Google Glass

    (55:44) Survivorship bias

    (56:09) Balancing rational ideas with irrational ideas

    (01:06:19) The rise and fall of tech innovations

    (01:09:54) Consistency, distinctiveness, and clarity

    (01:21:12) Considering psychological, technological, and economic factors in parallel

    (01:23:35) Where to find Rory

    Referenced:

    • Google Glass: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Google_Glass

    • Meta Portal TV: https://www.meta.com/portal/products/portal-tv/

    • Rory’s quote in a LinkedIn post: https://www.linkedin.com/posts/brad-jackson-04766642_the-urge-to-appear-serious-is-a-disaster-activity-7093497742710210560-1LYN/

    • The MAYA Principle: Design for the Future, but Balance It with Your Users’ Present: https://www.interaction-design.org/literature/article/design-for-the-future-but-balance-it-with-your-users-present

    • Ogilvy: https://www.ogilvy.com/

    • MCI: https://www.mci.world/

    • Veuve Clicquot: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Veuve_Clicquot

    • Why do the French call the British ‘the roast beefs’?: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/2913151.stm

    The Killing on Hulu: https://www.hulu.com/series/the-killing-f5da5c2d-4626-4ba9-bcf3-ff5f891771fb

    • Original The Killing on BBC: https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b017h7m1

    • The Mandarin Oriental, Hong Kong: https://www.mandarinoriental.com/en/hong-kong/victoria-harbour

    • SAT: https://satsuite.collegeboard.org/sat

    • The Widening Racial Scoring Gap on the SAT College Admissions Test: https://www.jbhe.com/features/49_college_admissions-test.html

    • What is the age of the captain?: https://www.icopilots.com/what-is-the-age-of-the-captain/

    • Octopus Energy: https://octopus.energy/

    • Kraken: https://octopusenergy.group/kraken-technologies

    • Toby Shannan: https://theorg.com/org/shopify/org-chart/toby-shannan

    • Dunbar’s number: Why we can only maintain 150 relationships: https://www.bbc.com/future/article/20191001-dunbars-number-why-we-can-only-maintain-150-relationships

    • AO: https://ao.com/

    • Zappos: https://www.zappos.com/

    • Joe Cano on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/joeycano/

    • John Ralston Saul’s website: https://www.johnralstonsaul.com/

    Voltaire’s Bastards: The Dictatorship of Reason in the West: https://www.amazon.com/Voltaires-Bastards-Dictatorship-Reason-West/dp/0679748199

    • Psycho-Logic: Why Too Much Logic Deters Magic: https://coffeeandjunk.com/psycho-logic/

    • Herbert Simon’s Decision-Making Approach: https://bura.brunel.ac.uk/bitstream/2438/4995/1/Fulltext.pdf

    • Robert Trivers’s website: https://roberttrivers.com/Welcome.html

    • Crazy Ivan: https://jollycontrarian.com/index.php?title=Crazy_Ivan

    • The Joys of Being a Late Tech Adopter: https://www.nytimes.com/2019/08/28/technology/personaltech/joys-late-tech-adopter.html

    • Jean-Claude Van Damme: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jean-Claude_Van_Damme

    • Tim Berners-Lee: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tim_Berners-Lee

    • Edward Jenner and the history of smallpox and vaccination: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1200696/

    • The real story behind penicillin: https://www.pbs.org/newshour/health/the-real-story-behind-the-worlds-first-antibiotic

    • What Are Japanese Toilets?: https://www.bigbathroomshop.co.uk/info/blog/japanese-toilets/

    • reMarkable: https://remarkable.com/

    • Chumby: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chumby

    • Survivorship bias: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Survivorship_bias

    • Jony Ive: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jony_Ive

    • Marc Newson’s website: https://marc-newson.com/

    • Designing Men: https://www.vanityfair.com/news/business/2013/11/jony-ive-marc-newson-design-auction

    • Qantas A330: https://marc-newson.com/qantas-a330/

    • Herodotus: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Herodotus

    • Big Decision? Consider It Both Drunk and Sober: https://www.forbes.com/sites/chunkamui/2016/03/22/wine-and-sleep-make-for-better-decisions/?sh=5c97fdc524b1

    • How Henry Ford and Thomas Edison killed the electric car: https://www.speakev.com/threads/how-henry-ford-and-thomas-edison-killed-the-electric-car.4270/

    • Watch Jay Leno get nostalgic and swoon over this 1909 EV: https://thenextweb.com/news/jay-leno-talk-about-electric-car-1909-baker

    Jay Leno’s Garage: https://www.youtube.com/@jaylenosgarage

    • Nudgestock: https://nudgestock.com/

    • Akio Morita: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Akio_Morita

    • Don Norman on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/donnorman/

    • What Makes Tesla’s Business Model Different: https://www.investopedia.com/articles/active-trading/072115/what-makes-teslas-business-model-different.asp

    • Monica Lewinsky on X: https://x.com/MonicaLewinsky

    Blindsight: The (Mostly) Hidden Ways Marketing Reshapes Our Brains: azon.com/Blindsight-Mostly-Hidden-Marketing-Reshapes-ebook/dp/B07ZKZ5DWF

    Branding That Means Business: https://www.amazon.com/Branding-that-Means-Business-Economist-ebook/dp/B09QBCCH9N

    • PwC: https://www.pwc.com

    • Ryanair: https://www.ryanair.com

    • British Airways: https://www.britishairways.com/

    • Wrigley’s began as a soap business: know when to pivot: https://theamericangenius.com/entrepreneur/wrigleys-began-as-soap-know-when-to-pivot/

    Transport for Humans: https://www.amazon.com/Transport-Humans-Perspectives-Pete-Dyson/dp/1913019357

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    Building a world-class data org | Jessica Lachs (VP of Analytics and Data Science at DoorDash)

    Building a world-class data org | Jessica Lachs (VP of Analytics and Data Science at DoorDash)

    Jessica Lachs is the global head of analytics and data science at DoorDash, where she’s built one of the largest and most respected data organizations in tech. In her more than 10 years at DoorDash, she has served as the first general manager, responsible for launching new markets; the head of business ops and analytics; and the VP of analytics and data science. Previously, Jessica founded GiftSimple, a social gifting startup, and started her career at Lehman Brothers as an investment banking analyst. In our conversation, she shares:

    • How to structure and scale a high-impact analytics organization

    • Centralized vs. decentralized data teams

    • How to pick the right metric and aligning incentives

    • Advice for data people on how and when to push back

    • Lessons learned from building a global data team

    • How to foster a culture of extreme ownership

    • The role of AI in improving analytics team productivity

    • Advice for aspiring data leaders without formal training

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    Find the transcript at: https://www.lennysnewsletter.com/p/building-a-world-class-data-org-jessica-lachs

    Where to find Jessica Lachs:

    • X: https://x.com/jesslachs

    • LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/jessica-lachs/

    Where to find Lenny:

    • Newsletter: https://www.lennysnewsletter.com

    • X: https://twitter.com/lennysan

    • LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/lennyrachitsky/

    In this episode, we cover:

    (00:00) Jessica’s background

    (04:59) Centralized vs. embedded analytics teams

    (10:52) The benefits of a centralized analytics team

    (15:10) Balancing proactive and reactive work

    (20:45) Advice on how to push back effectively

    (24:20) Hiring for curiosity and problem solving

    (28:57) Coming from a non-traditional background

    (34:40) The early days and culture at DoorDash

    (40:39) Encouraging cross-functional roles

    (44:39) Defining effective metrics

    (46:30) Simplifying metrics for better outcomes

    (55:28) Focusing on edge cases and fail states

    (01:00:12) Managing a global data organization

    (01:02:31) Leveraging AI for productivity

    (01:05:25) Building diverse and skilled data teams

    (01:08:40) Lightning round

    Referenced:

    • How Netflix builds a culture of excellence | Elizabeth Stone (CTO): https://www.lennysnewsletter.com/p/how-netflix-builds-a-culture-of-excellence

    • Riley Newman on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/rileynewman/

    • Tony Xu on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/xutony/

    • Imposter Syndrome: Why You May Feel Like a Fraud: https://www.verywellmind.com/imposter-syndrome-and-social-anxiety-disorder-4156469

    • Stanley Tang on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/stanleytang/

    • Andy Fang on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/fangsterr/

    • Evan Moore on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/evanmoore/

    • How WeDash became the flagship employee program for DoorDash: https://careers.doordash.com/blog/wedash-doordash-employee-program-how-does-it-work

    • Leading with empathy | Keith Yandell (DoorDash, Uber): https://www.lennysnewsletter.com/p/leading-with-empathy-keith-yandell

    The Rose Code: https://www.amazon.com/Rose-Code-Novel-Kate-Quinn/dp/006305941X

    • Libby app: https://libbyapp.com/

    The West Wing on Prime: https://www.amazon.com/West-Wing-Complete-First-Season/dp/B000KZPG04

    Alias on Prime: https://www.amazon.com/Alias-Season-1/dp/B00748O13S

    • Joseon sunscreens: https://beautyofjoseon.com/

    • Innisfree sunscreens: https://us.innisfree.com/

    • John Steinbeck quote: https://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/john_steinbeck_103825

    • Vanessa Roberts on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/vanessa-roberts-b8a509a/

    • Tia Sherringham on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/tiasherringham/

    • Elizabeth Jarvis-Shean on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/elizabeth-jarvis-shean-141a7966/

    • My Journey (Part 1): I have a job that I would never be hired for: https://www.linkedin.com/posts/jessica-lachs_anniversary-datascience-finance-activity-7216912300056727553-mEv6/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=member_desktop

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    Building product at Stripe: craft, metrics, and customer obsession | Jeff Weinstein (Product lead)

    Building product at Stripe: craft, metrics, and customer obsession | Jeff Weinstein (Product lead)

    Jeff Weinstein is a product lead at Stripe, where he helped grow their payment APIs to hundreds of billions in volume and transformed the way founders start companies into a few simple clicks with Atlas. Prior to Stripe, Jeff led several startups and sold companies to Groupon and Box. He’s known for his customer obsession, craft, quality, and building beloved products businesses rely on. In our conversation, we discuss:

    • The power of customer obsession and how to operationalize it in the product development process

    • How to pick the right metrics and use them to drive impact

    • Techniques for getting things done at big companies

    • A group practice Jeff started to uplevel product craft, called Study Group

    • The story behind Stripe Atlas and its mission to increase entrepreneurship globally

    • Lessons from working with the founders of Stripe

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    Find the transcript at: https://www.lennysnewsletter.com/p/creating-a-culture-of-excellence

    Where to find Jeff Weinstein:

    • X: https://x.com/jeff_weinstein

    • LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/jeffwweinstein/

    • Email: jweinstein@gmail.com

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    • Newsletter: https://www.lennysnewsletter.com

    • X: https://twitter.com/lennysan

    • LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/lennyrachitsky/

    In this episode, we cover:

    (00:00) Jeff’s background 

    (10:16)  The “go, go, go ASAP + optimistic, long-term compounding” approach

    (15:38) The importance of craft and quality

    (24:15) Effective customer communication strategies

    (28:57) The importance of speed in customer interactions 

    (33:19) Narrowing your focus

    (36:53) Why you should pay attention only to paying-customer feedback

    (40:24) Practicing silence when communicating 

    (45:33) The role of metrics in product success

    (54:08) Empowering teams with a single metric

    (58:23) Picking the right metric for your audience

    (01:05:10) The importance of metric hygiene

    (01:11:33) How Stripe uses “study groups” for product improvement

    (01:37:20) Stripe’s Atlas: simplifying company formation

    (01:50:38) Automation and operational efficiency

    (01:55:13) Diversity and team building

    (02:03:09) Building new products within a large company

    (02:21:10) Lightning round

    Referenced:

    • Atlas: https://stripe.com/atlas

    • Stripe: https://stripe.com/

    • SQL: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SQL

    • GitHub: https://github.com/

    • Linear: https://linear.app/

    • Figma: https://www.figma.com/

    • Jeff’s tweet about Stripe’s bug-finder program: https://x.com/jeff_weinstein/status/1777487507934040300

    • The “Collison installation”: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=18400504

    • How we use friction logs to improve products at Stripe: https://dev.to/stripe/how-we-use-friction-logs-to-improve-products-at-stripe-i6p

    • Fidelity: https://www.fidelity.com/

    • 83(b) election: https://docs.stripe.com/atlas/83b-election

    • Jeff’s tweet about Atlas’s NPS score: https://x.com/jeff_weinstein/status/1788644576330469638

    • What is a Delaware corporation? Here’s what makes this state so attractive to businesses: https://stripe.com/resources/more/what-is-a-delaware-corporation

    • Incorporating in Delaware explained: Why it’s such a popular option for businesses: https://stripe.com/resources/more/incorporating-in-delaware-explained

    • 7 of Pixar’s Best Storyboard Examples and the Stories Behind Them: https://boords.com/blog/7-of-pixars-best-storyboard-examples-and-the-stories-behind-them

    • Alex Kehayias on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/alexkehayias/

    • Patrick McKenzie on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/patrickmckenzie/

    • AngelList: https://www.angellist.com/

    • Dan Hightower on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/danhighto/

    • Stripe Atlas perks partners: https://support.stripe.com/questions/stripe-atlas-perks-partners

    • Vision, conviction, and hype: How to build 0 to 1 inside a company | Mihika Kapoor (Product at Figma): https://www.lennysnewsletter.com/p/vision-conviction-hype-mihika-kapoor

    High Output Management: https://www.amazon.com/High-Output-Management-Andrew-Grove/dp/0679762884

    Orbiting the Giant Hairball: A Corporate Fool’s Guide to Surviving with Grace: https://www.amazon.com/Orbiting-Giant-Hairball-Corporate-Surviving/dp/0670879835

    7 Powers: The Foundations of Business Strategy: https://www.amazon.com/7-Powers-Foundations-Business-Strategy/dp/0998116319

    • Business strategy with Hamilton Helmer (author of 7 Powers): https://www.lennysnewsletter.com/p/business-strategy-with-hamilton-helmer

    • Box: https://www.box.com/

    • Patrick Collison on X: https://x.com/patrickc

    How to with John Wilson on HBO: https://www.hbo.com/how-to-with-john-wilson

    The Quiet Girl on Hulu: https://www.hulu.com/movie/the-quiet-girl-b50a4b8e-d3ff-4635-b806-5e7dbd292ca4

    • Raycast: https://www.raycast.com/

    • Quicksilver: https://qsapp.com/

    • Alfred: https://www.alfredapp.com/help/workflows/automations/

    • CleanShot: https://cleanshot.com/

    • John Collison on X: https://x.com/collision

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    Pattern Breakers: How to find a breakthrough startup idea | Mike Maples, Jr. (Founding Partner at Floodgate, ex-Product at Silicon Graphics)

    Pattern Breakers: How to find a breakthrough startup idea | Mike Maples, Jr. (Founding Partner at Floodgate, ex-Product at Silicon Graphics)

    Mike Maples, Jr. is a legendary early-stage startup investor and a co-founder and partner at Floodgate. He’s made early bets on transformative companies like Twitter, Lyft, Twitch, Okta, Rappi, and Applied Intuition and is one of the pioneers of seed-stage investing as a category. He’s been on the Forbes Midas List eight times and enjoys sharing the lessons he’s learned from his years studying iconic companies. In his new book, Pattern Breakers: Why Some Start-Ups Change the Future, co-authored with Peter Ziebelman, he discusses what he’s found separates startups and founders that break through and change the world from those that don’t. After spending years reviewing the notes and decks from the thousands of startups he’s known over the past two decades, he’s uncovered three ways that breakthrough founders think and act differently. In our conversation, Mike talks about:

    • The three elements of breakthrough startup ideas

    • Why you need to both think and act differently

    • How to avoid the “comparison trap” and “conformity trap”

    • The importance of movements, storytelling, and healthy disagreeableness in startup success

    • How to apply pattern-breaking principles within large companies

    • Mike’s one piece of advice for founders

    • Much more

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    Where to find Mike Maples, Jr.:

    • X: https://x.com/m2jr

    • LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/maples/

    • Substack: https://greatness.substack.com/

    • Website: https://www.floodgate.com/

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    • Newsletter: https://www.lennysnewsletter.com

    • X: https://twitter.com/lennysan

    • LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/lennyrachitsky/

    In this episode, we cover:

    (00:00) Mike’s background

    (03:10) The inspiration behind Pattern Breakers

    (08:09) Uncovering startup insights

    (11:37) A quick summary of Pattern Breakers

    (13:52) Coming up with an idea

    (15:30) Inflections

    (17:09) Examples of inflections

    (28:10) Insights

    (36:58) The power of surprises

    (47:36) Founder-future fit

    (55:33) Advice for aspiring founders

    (56:41) Living in the future: valid opinions

    (55:34) Case study: Maddie Hall and Living Carbon

    (58:40) Identifying lighthouse customers

    (01:00:53) The importance of desperation in customer needs

    (01:03:57) Creating movements and storytelling

    (01:24:22) The role of disagreeableness in startups

    (01:34:42) Applying these principles within a company

    (01:40:43) Lightning round

    Referenced:

    Pattern Breakers: Why Some Start-Ups Change the Future: https://www.amazon.com/Pattern-Breakers-Start-Ups-Change-Future/dp/1541704355

    • Justin.tv: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Justin.tv

    • Airbnb’s CEO says a $40 cereal box changed the course of the multibillion-dollar company: https://fortune.com/2023/04/19/airbnb-ceo-cereal-box-investors-changed-everything-billion-dollar-company/

    • Brian Chesky’s new playbook: https://www.lennysnewsletter.com/p/brian-cheskys-contrarian-approach

    • The Unconventional Exit: How Justin Kan Sold His First Startup on eBay: https://medium.datadriveninvestor.com/the-unconventional-exit-how-justin-kan-sold-his-first-startup-on-ebay-4d705afe1354

    • Kyle Vogt on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/kylevogt/

    • The State of Telehealth Before and After the COVID-19 Pandemic: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC9035352/

    • The Craigslist Killers: https://www.gq.com/story/craigslist-killers

    • The social radar: Y Combinator’s secret weapon | Jessica Livingston (co-founder of Y Combinator, author, podcast host): https://www.lennysnewsletter.com/p/the-social-radar-jessica-livingston

    • Michael Seibel on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/mwseibel/

    The Airbnb Story: How Three Ordinary Guys Disrupted an Industry, Made Billions ... and Created Plenty of Controversy: https://www.amazon.com/Airbnb-Story-Ordinary-Disrupted-Controversy/dp/0544952669

    • Scott Cook: https://www.forbes.com/profile/scott-cook/

    • Chegg: https://www.chegg.com/

    • Aayush Phumbhra on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/aayush/

    • Osman Rashid on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/osmanrashid/

    • Okta: https://www.okta.com/

    • The Man Who Makes the Future: Wired Icon Marc Andreessen: https://www.wired.com/2012/04/ff-andreessen/

    • Peter Ludwig on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/peterwludwig/

    • Qasar Younis on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/qasar/

    • Paul Allen’s website: https://paulallen.com/

    • Louis Pasteur quote: https://www.forbes.com/quotes/6145/

    • What was Atrium and why did it fail? https://www.failory.com/cemetery/atrium

    • Patrick Collison on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/patrickcollison/

    • Drew Houston on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/drewhouston/

    • William Gibson’s quote: https://www.goodreads.com/quotes/681-the-future-is-already-here-it-s-just-not-evenly

    • Maddie Hall on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/maddie-hall-76293135/

    • Living Carbon: https://www.livingcarbon.com

    • Zenefits (now Trinet): https://connect.trinet.com/

    • Sam Altman on X: https://x.com/sama

    • Steve Wozniak on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/wozniaksteve/

    • Horsley Bridge Partners: https://www.horsleybridge.com/

    • David Swensen: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_F._Swensen

    • Judith Elsea on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/judithelsea/

    7 Powers: The Foundations of Business Strategy: https://www.amazon.com/7-Powers-Foundations-Business-Strategy/dp/0998116319

    • Business strategy with Hamilton Helmer (author of 7 Powers): https://www.lennysnewsletter.com/p/business-strategy-with-hamilton-helmer

    • Lyft’s Focus on Community and the Story Behind the Pink Mustache: https://techcrunch.com/2012/09/17/lyfts-focus-on-community-and-the-story-behind-the-pink-mustache/

    • Logan Green on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/logangreen/

    • John Zimmer on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/johnzimmer11/

    • Storytelling with Nancy Duarte: How to craft compelling presentations and tell a story that sticks: https://www.lennysnewsletter.com/p/storytelling-with-nancy-duarte-how

    • Steve Jobs Introducing the iPhone at MacWorld 2007: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x7qPAY9JqE4

    Jonathan Livingston Seagull: https://www.amazon.com/Jonathan-Livingston-Seagull-Richard-Bach/dp/0743278909

    • The paths to power: How to grow your influence and advance your career | Jeffrey Pfeffer (author of 7 Rules of Power, professor at Stanford GSB): https://www.lennysnewsletter.com/p/the-paths-to-power-jeffrey-pfeffer

    • Robin Roberts on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/robin-roberts-393a934b/

    • Skunkworks: https://www.lockheedmartin.com/en-us/who-we-are/business-areas/aeronautics/skunkworks.html

    • Vision, conviction, and hype: How to build 0 to 1 inside a company | Mihika Kapoor (Product at Figma): https://www.lennysnewsletter.com/p/vision-conviction-hype-mihika-kapoor

    • Hard-won lessons building 0 to 1 inside Atlassian | Tanguy Crusson (Head of Jira Product Discovery): https://www.lennysnewsletter.com/p/building-0-to-1-inside-atlassian-tanguy-crusson

    • Figma: https://www.figma.com/

    • Atlassian: https://www.atlassian.com/

    • Vinod Khosla: https://www.khoslaventures.com/team/vinod-khosla/

    • Top Five Regrets of the Dying: A Life Transformed by the Dearly Departing: https://www.amazon.com/Top-Five-Regrets-Dying-Transformed-ebook/dp/B07KNRLY1L

    Chase, Chance, and Creativity: The Lucky Art of Novelty: https://www.amazon.com/Chase-Chance-Creativity-Lucky-Novelty/dp/0262511355

    • Clay Christensen’s books: https://www.amazon.com/stores/Clayton-M.-Christensen/author/B000APPD3Y

    Resonate: Present Visual Stories That Transform: https://www.amazon.com/Resonate-Present-Stories-Transform-Audiences/dp/0470632011

    Ferrari on Prime: https://www.amazon.com/Ferrari-Adam-Driver/dp/B0CNDBN672

    • Montblanc fountain pens: https://www.montblanc.com/en-us

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    Dylan Field live at Config: Intuition, simplicity, and the future of design

    Dylan Field live at Config: Intuition, simplicity, and the future of design

    Dylan Field is the co-founder and CEO of Figma, the collaborative design platform that has revolutionized how product teams work. In my first-ever live podcast, recorded at Figma Config, Dylan and I dig into:

    • How intuition and product taste drive Dylan’s decision-making

    • The challenge of keeping things simple

    • Dylan’s thoughts on the future of product management

    • Lessons from Figma’s early days

    • How Figma built their initial user base

    • Dylan’s journey from intern to CEO of a 1,000+-person company

    • The future of design tools and AI

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    Find the transcript at: https://www.lennysnewsletter.com/p/dylan-field-live-at-config

    Where to find Dylan Field:

    • X: https://x.com/zoink?lang=en

    • LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/dylanfield/

    Where to find Lenny:

    • Newsletter: https://www.lennysnewsletter.com

    • X: https://twitter.com/lennysan

    • LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/lennyrachitsky/

    In this episode, we cover:

    (00:00) Introduction

    (01:11) Welcoming Dylan Field

    (02:36) Highlights and surprises from Config

    (06:58) The philosophy of design

    (08:01) Raccoon feet and muffin hands

    (09:57) Building and refining intuition and product taste

    (12:50) How to influence leadership

    (16:14) The role of product managers

    (21:12) The future of product management

    (22:20) The importance of simplicity in design

    (26:10) The long road to Figma’s launch

    (27:44) Advice for aspiring entrepreneurs

    (29:07) Knowing when it’s time to ship

    (30:39) Early user acquisition strategies

    (35:50) Spotting trends and future innovations

    (39:20) Reflections on leadership and growth

    (43:16) Lightning round

    Referenced:

    • Mihika Kapoor on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/mihikakapoor/

    • Rick Rubin on the Creative Act—60 Minutes: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sE1teB5bN-w

    • Figma pages: https://help.figma.com/hc/en-us/articles/360038511293-Create-and-manage-pages

    • Leading through uncertainty: A design-led company—Brian Chesky (Config 2023): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dkfijg7s76o

    • An inside look at how Figma builds product | Yuhki Yamashita (CPO of Figma): https://www.lennysnewsletter.com/p/an-inside-look-at-how-figma-builds

    • Vision, conviction, and hype: How to build 0 to 1 inside a company | Mihika Kapoor (Product at Figma): https://www.lennysnewsletter.com/p/vision-conviction-hype-mihika-kapoor

    • An inside look at Figma’s unique GTM motion | Claire Butler (first GTM hire): https://www.lennysnewsletter.com/p/an-inside-look-at-figmas-unique-bottom

    • Zigging vs. zagging: How HubSpot built a $30B company | Dharmesh Shah (co-founder/CTO): https://www.lennysnewsletter.com/p/lessons-from-30-years-of-building

    • Nadia Singer on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/nadiasinger/

    • Sho Kuwamoto on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/shokuwamoto/

    • FigJam: https://www.figma.com/figjam/

    • Tim Van Damme on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/tim-van-damme-maxvoltar/

    • Coda: https://coda.io/

    • Shishir Mehrotra on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/shishirmehrotra/

    • Websim: https://websim.ai/

    • eToys.com commercial (from Dylan’s childhood acting career): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k3Y92aCmmbU

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    The social radar: Y Combinator’s secret weapon | Jessica Livingston (co-founder of Y Combinator, author, podcast host)

    The social radar: Y Combinator’s secret weapon | Jessica Livingston (co-founder of Y Combinator, author, podcast host)

    Jessica Livingston is a co-founder of Y Combinator, the first and most successful startup accelerator. Y Combinator has funded over 5,000 companies, 200 of which are now unicorns, including Airbnb, Dropbox, DoorDash, Stripe, Coinbase, and Reddit. Jessica played a crucial role in YC’s early success, when she was nicknamed the “social radar” because of her uncanny ability to quickly evaluate people—an essential skill when investing in early-stage startups. She’s also the host of the popular podcast The Social Radars, where she interviews billion-dollar-startup founders, and the author of the acclaimed book Founders at Work, which captures the origin stories of some of today’s most interesting companies. In our conversation, we discuss:

    • How Jessica gained the affectionate title of the “social radar”

    • Why defensive founders are a red flag

    • How to develop your social radar

    • What she looks for in founders during YC interviews

    • How YC’s early inexperience in angel investing led to the batch model

    • Her favorite stories from interviews with Airbnb, Rippling, and more

    • Lessons learned from hosting her own podcast

    • Much more

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    Find the transcript at: https://www.lennysnewsletter.com/p/the-social-radar-jessica-livingston

    Where to find Jessica Livingston:

    • X: https://x.com/jesslivingston

    • LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/jessicalivingston1/

    • Podcast: https://www.thesocialradars.com/

    Where to find Lenny:

    • Newsletter: https://www.lennysnewsletter.com

    • X: https://twitter.com/lennysan

    • LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/lennyrachitsky/

    In this episode, we cover:

    (00:00) Jessica’s background

    (02:42) Thoughts on being under-recognized

    (07:52) Jessica’s superpower: the social radar

    (15:11) Evaluating founders: key traits and red flags

    (21:00) The Airbnb story: a lesson in hustle and determination

    (25:57) A YC success story

    (28:26) The importance of earnestness

    (32:45) Confidence vs. defensiveness

    (34:43) Commitment and co-founder disputes

    (37:46) Relentless resourcefulness

    (40:00) Jessica’s social radar: origins and insights

    (43:24) Honing her social radar skills

    (45:44) Conviction and scams: a Y Combinator story

    (46:50) The interview process: challenges and insights

    (48:20) Operationalizing founder evaluation

    (49:38) Advice for building social radar skills

    (52:08) The “Reading the Mind in the Eyes” quiz

    (55:19) Jessica’s podcast: The Social Radars

    (01:00:34) Lessons from podcasting and interviewing

    (01:09:58) Lightning round

    Referenced:

    • Paul Graham’s post about Jessica: https://paulgraham.com/jessica.html

    • Paul Graham on X: https://x.com/paulg

    • Robert Tappan Morris: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Tappan_Morris

    • Trevor Blackwell on X: https://x.com/tlbtlbtlb

    • Y Combinator: https://www.ycombinator.com/

    • “The Founders” examines the rise and legend of PayPal: https://www.economist.com/culture/2022/02/19/the-founders-examines-the-rise-and-legend-of-paypal

    • Patrick Collison on X: https://x.com/patrickc

    • John Collison on X: https://x.com/collision

    • Brian Chesky on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/brianchesky/

    • Nate Blecharczyk on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/blecharczyk/

    • Joe Gebbia on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/jgebbia/

    • Airbnb’s CEO says a $40 cereal box changed the course of the multibillion-dollar company: https://fortune.com/2023/04/19/airbnb-ceo-cereal-box-investors-changed-everything-billion-dollar-company/

    • Parker Conrad on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/parkerconrad/

    • Zenefits: https://connect.trinet.com/hr-platform

    • Goat: https://www.goat.com/

    • Eddy Lu on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/eddylu/

    • Drew Houston on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/drewhouston/

    • Arash Ferdowsi on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/arashferdowsi/

    • Lessons from 1,000+ YC startups: Resilience, tar pit ideas, pivoting, more | Dalton Caldwell (Y Combinator, Managing Director): https://www.lennysnewsletter.com/p/lessons-from-1000-yc-startups

    •Bitcoin launderer pleads guilty, admits to massive Bitfinex hack: https://www.cnbc.com/2023/08/03/new-york-man-admits-being-original-bitfinex-hacker-during-guilty-plea-in-dc-to-bitcoin-money-laundering.html

    • Paul Graham’s tweet with the facial recognition test: https://x.com/paulg/status/1782875262855663691

    • SmartLess podcast: https://www.smartless.com

    • Jason Bateman on X: https://x.com/batemanjason

    • Will Arnett on X: https://x.com/arnettwill

    • Sean Hayes on X: https://x.com/seanhayes

    • The Social Radars with Tony Xu, Co-Founder & CEO of DoorDash: https://www.ycombinator.com/library/Ja-tony-xu-co-founder-ceo-of-doordash

    • The Social Radars with Brian Chesky: https://www.ycombinator.com/library/JW-brian-chesky-co-founder-ceo-of-airbnb

    • The Social Radars with Patrick and John Collison: https://www.ycombinator.com/library/Kx-patrick-john-collison-co-founders-of-stripe

    • The Social Radars with Brian Armstrong: https://www.ycombinator.com/library/K3-brian-armstrong-co-founder-and-ceo-of-coinbase

    • The Social Radars with Emmett Shear: https://www.ycombinator.com/library/KM-emmett-shear-co-founder-of-twitch

    • The Social Radars with Paul Graham: https://www.ycombinator.com/library/JV-paul-graham-co-founder-of-y-combinator-and-viaweb

    • The Social Radars with Adora Cheung: https://www.ycombinator.com/library/L0-adora-cheung-co-founder-of-homejoy-instalab

    Founders at Work: Stories of Startups’ Early Days: https://www.amazon.com/Founders-Work-Stories-Startups-Early/dp/1430210788

    • Startup School: https://www.startupschool.org/

    • The Social Radars with Parker Conrad: https://www.ycombinator.com/library/Ky-parker-conrad-founder-of-zenefits-rippling

    • Rippling: https://www.rippling.com/

    Carry on, Jeeves: https://www.amazon.com/Carry-Jeeves-Dover-Thrift-Editions/dp/0486848957

    Very Good, Jeeves: https://www.amazon.com/Very-Good-Jeeves-Wooster-Book-ebook/dp/B0051GST06

    Right Ho, Jeeves: https://www.amazon.com/Right-Ho-Jeeves-P-Wodehouse-ebook/dp/B083FFDNHN/

    Life: https://www.amazon.com/Life-Keith-Richards-ebook/dp/B003UBTX72/

    My Name Is Barbra: https://www.amazon.com/My-Name-Barbra-Streisand/dp/0525429522

    Clarkson’s Farm on Prime: https://www.amazon.com/Clarksons-Farm-Season-1/dp/B095RHJ52R

    Schitt’s Creek on Hulu: https://www.hulu.com/series/schitts-creek-a2e7a946-9652-48a8-884b-3ea7ea4de273

    Yellowstone on Peacock: https://www.peacocktv.com/stream-tv/yellowstone

    • Sam Altman on X: https://x.com/sama

    • Justin Kan on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/justinkan/

    • Alexis Ohanian on X: https://x.com/alexisohanian

    • Steve Huffman on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/shuffman56/

    • Breaking News: Condé Nast/Wired Acquires Reddit: https://techcrunch.com/2006/10/31/breaking-news-conde-nastwired-acquires-reddit/

    • Charles River Venture: https://www.crv.com/

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    Making an impact through authenticity and curiosity | Ami Vora (CPO at Faire, ex-WhatsApp, FB, IG)

    Making an impact through authenticity and curiosity | Ami Vora (CPO at Faire, ex-WhatsApp, FB, IG)

    Ami Vora is the Chief Product Officer of Faire, which connects independent retailers and brands around the world. Before Faire, Ami spent over 15 years at Meta, including as VP of Product and Design for WhatsApp (2B+ users), VP of Product for Facebook’s ads system (now $130B of annual revenue), and director at Instagram. She began her career working on developer tools at Microsoft. In our conversation, we discuss:

    • Why execution eats strategy for breakfast

    • Using metaphor to rally teams around one shared goal

    • How to build cross-functional relationships

    • “Dinosaur brain,” “Toddler soccer,” and the “hill climbing” metaphors

    • A tactic for handling disagreement

    • Tips for working well with product-minded founders as a product leader

    • The story of Ami’s incredible 15-year journey from temp to VP at Meta

    • Much more

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    Find the transcript at: https://www.lennysnewsletter.com/p/authenticity-and-curiosity-ami-vora

    Where to find Ami Vora:

    • LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/amvora/

    • Substack: https://amivora.substack.com/

    Where to find Lenny:

    • Newsletter: https://www.lennysnewsletter.com

    • X: https://twitter.com/lennysan

    • LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/lennyrachitsky/

    In this episode, we cover:

    (00:00) Ami’s background

    (02:00) The myth of perfection in success

    (07:55) Emotionally connecting with the job

    (09:55) Embracing curiosity in moments of challenge

    (13:16) Thinking in feedback loops

    (17:17) The “dinosaur brain” metaphor in product reviews

    (20:20) Strategies for conducting effective product reviews

    (26:33) Using metaphors and imagery to communicate your vision

    (29:35) The power of having a shared narrative

    (31:55) WhatsApp: an example of metaphor in action

    (34:44) Emulating people that inspire you

    (36:19) WhatsApp video calling

    (37:35) Why execution is greater than strategy

    (41:36) Time allotment for strategy vs. execution

    (45:10) How to become a better strategic thinker

    (47:59) The intricacies of implementing feedback

    (51:53) Being a female leader in tech

    (55:13) Advice for young women in tech

    (56:07) Setting goals and aligning incentives

    (01:01:40) Acknowledging hard truths

    (01:05:46) Lessons from transitioning to Faire

    (01:08:40) The importance of a good CPO/CEO relationship

    (01:11:17) Vetting heads of product and maintaining customer focus

    (01:12:40) How Ami went from intern to leading major products at Meta

    (01:14:53) The one thing you should do to be successful in product

    (01:17:25) Lightning round

    Referenced:

    • Faire: https://www.faire.com/

    • Making Meta | Andrew “Boz” Bosworth (CTO): https://www.lennysnewsletter.com/p/making-meta-andrew-boz-bosworth-cto

    •  Community Wisdom: AMA with Dan Hockenmaier + Facilitating a roadmap session, structuring product teams, navigating an acquisition, companies not needing PMs anymore, and much more: https://www.lennysnewsletter.com/p/making-meta-andrew-boz-bosworth-cto

    • Developing a growth model + marketplace growth strategy | Dan Hockenmaier (Faire, Thumbtack, Reforge): https://www.lennysnewsletter.com/p/developing-a-growth-model-marketplace

    • Dan Hockenmaier’s website: https://www.danhock.com/

    • On Reviews: https://boz.com/articles/reviews

    • Finding a global optimum always feels like a hill climb: https://www.linkedin.com/posts/amvora_finding-a-global-optimum-always-feels-like-activity-7074776143882588161-jhyy/

    • Dolores Park: https://sfrecpark.org/892/Mission-Dolores-Park

    • Rob Goldman on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/robgoldman/

    • Execution eats strategy for breakfast, but execution without strategy leads to burnout: https://rationalpm.substack.com/p/execution-eats-strategy-for-breakfast

    • The goal of a “strategy” is to change our own team’s behavior: https://amivora.substack.com/p/the-goal-of-a-strategy-is-to-change

    • The paths to power: How to grow your influence and advance your career | Jeffrey Pfeffer (author of 7 Rules of Power, professor at Stanford GSB): https://www.lennysnewsletter.com/p/the-paths-to-power-jeffrey-pfeffer

    • Path to Power course outline: https://jeffreypfeffer.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/10/Pfeffer-OB377-Course-Outline-2018.pdf

    • Management Time: Who’s Got the Monkey?: https://hbr.org/1999/11/management-time-whos-got-the-monkey

    • Max Rhodes on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/max-rhodes/

    • Coupa Coffee: https://www.coupacafe.com/

    • Brandee Barker on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/brandeedbarker/

    Year of Yes: How to Dance It Out, Stand In the Sun and Be Your Own Person: https://www.amazon.com/Year-Yes-Dance-Stand-Person/dp/1476777128 

    • How to tell better stories | Matthew Dicks (Storyworthy): https://www.lennyspodcast.com/how-to-tell-better-stories-matthew-dicks-storyworthy/

    • A life of yes: Matthew Dicks at TEDxSomerville: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F3TaQFcaMk4

    The Office on Peacock: https://www.peacocktv.com/stream-tv/the-office

    30 Rock on Peacock: https://www.peacocktv.com/watch-online/tv/30-rock/6240863759978157112

    • Dall-E-2: https://openai.com/index/dall-e-2/

    • ChatGPT: https://chatgpt.com

    • Fellow kettles: https://fellowproducts.com/products/stagg-ekg-electric-pour-over-kettle

    • TikTok’s “Roman Empire” Meme, Explained: https://www.forbes.com/sites/danidiplacido/2023/09/21/tiktoks-roman-empire-meme-explained/

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    Hard-won lessons building 0 to 1 inside Atlassian | Tanguy Crusson (Head of Jira Product Discovery)

    Hard-won lessons building 0 to 1 inside Atlassian | Tanguy Crusson (Head of Jira Product Discovery)

    Tanguy Crusson is the product lead for Jira Product Discovery at Atlassian. In his more than 10 years at the company, he has been instrumental in taking several new products from zero to one, including HipChat, Statuspage, and Jira Product Discovery. In this episode, we dive deep into the struggles of innovating and building new products inside a large company. Tanguy shares candid stories about what worked, what didn’t, and his many hard-won lessons learned about how to successfully build 0 to 1. We cover:

    • Why large companies with so many advantages still fail at creating new products

    • Lessons learned from building HipChat

    • How to avoid common pitfalls like competitive myopia and premature scaling

    • Lessons learned from the acquisition and integration of Statuspage

    • Insights from the success of Jira Product Discovery

    • Tactics for protecting your “ugly babies”

    • The power of “lighthouse users”

    • The importance of having a “why now”

    • Much more

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    Find the transcript at: https://www.lennysnewsletter.com/p/building-0-to-1-inside-atlassian-tanguy-crusson

    Where to find Tanguy Crusson:

    • X: https://x.com/tanguycrusson

    • LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/tanguy-crusson-99832a

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    • Newsletter: https://www.lennysnewsletter.com

    • X: https://twitter.com/lennysan

    • LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/lennyrachitsky/

    In this episode, we cover:

    (00:00) Tanguy’s background

    (02:30) Tanguy’s journey at Atlassian

    (07:03) The challenges of innovating in large companies

    (10:42) Atlassian's high bar for excellence 

    (12:58) The HipChat story: successes, failures, and lessons learned

    (20:47) Lessons learned from building HipChat

    (33:49) Statuspage: a journey of perseverance

    (39:48) Acquisition challenges and lessons

    (47:22) Strategic decisions: build, buy, or partner?

    (48:17) Learning to articulate "why now"

    (54:08) A quick summary of lessons in this episode

    (55:40) The success and pain of launching Jira Product Discovery 

    (58:10) Incubating new products: the Point A program

    (01:00:13) Failure is the most likely outcome

    (01:04:15) Atlassian's four-phase approach to launching new products

    (01:09:20) Breaking rules without breaking trust

    (01:16:16) Early success and team autonomy

    (01:17:22) Innovating without disrupting existing customers

    (01:23:17) The Lighthouse Users program

    (01:30:00) Protecting and nurturing new ideas

    (01:36:14) Balancing innovation with personal well-being

    (01:38:17) A reminder to look after yourself

    (01:42:06) Lightning round

    Referenced:

    • Atlassian: https://www.atlassian.com/

    • HipChat: https://community.atlassian.com/t5/Hipchat/ct-p/hipchat

    • Stride: https://community.atlassian.com/t5/Stride/ct-p/stride

    • Statuspage: https://www.atlassian.com/software/statuspage

    • Opsgenie: https://www.atlassian.com/software/opsgenie

    • Jira Product Discovery: https://www.atlassian.com/software/jira/product-discovery

    • HipChat billboard: https://x.com/HubSpot/status/654696998126272512

    • Announcing our new partnership with Slack: https://www.atlassian.com/blog/announcements/new-atlassian-slack-partnership

    • Slack shows it’s worried about Microsoft Teams with a full-page newspaper ad: https://www.theverge.com/2016/11/2/13497766/slack-microsoft-teams-new-york-times-ad

    • What Is ‘Dogfooding’?: https://www.nytimes.com/2022/11/14/business/dogfooding.html

    • Jira: https://www.atlassian.com/software/jira

    • Confluence: https://www.atlassian.com/software/confluence

    • PagerDuty: https://www.pagerduty.com/

    • New Relic: https://newrelic.com/

    • BigPanda: https://www.bigpanda.io/

    • Transparent Uptime: http://www.transparentuptime.com/

    • Vision, conviction, and hype: How to build 0 to 1 inside a company | Mihika Kapoor (Product at Figma): https://www.lennysnewsletter.com/p/vision-conviction-hype-mihika-kapoor

    • Figma: https://www.figma.com/

    • Lessons from Atlassian: Launching new products, getting buy-in, and staying ahead of the competition | Megan Cook (head of product, Jira): https://www.lennysnewsletter.com/p/lessons-from-atlassian-launching

    • Noah Weiss on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/noahw/

    • Tanguy’s LinkedIn post about “lighthouse users”: https://www.linkedin.com/posts/tanguy-crusson-99832a_lighthouse-users-one-of-the-pm-techniques-activity-7176654510801502210-hWNi/

    • Pixar Chief: Protect Your ‘Ugly Babies’ (Your Unsightly Ideas): https://www.forbes.com/sites/andyboynton/2014/03/17/pixar-chief-protect-your-ugly-babies-your-unsightly-ideas/

    • Atlas: https://www.atlassian.com/software/atlas

    • Point A: https://www.atlassian.com/point-a

    • Scott Farquhar on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/scottfarquhar

    Who: A Method for Hiring: https://www.amazon.com/Who-Method-Hiring-HC-2008/dp/B004C79SRS/

    Hakim’s Odyssey: Book 1: From Syria to Turkey: https://www.amazon.com/Hakims-Odyssey-Book-Syria-Turkey/dp/1637790007

    Living with the Earth, Volume 1: Permaculture, Ecoculture: Inspired by Nature: https://www.amazon.com/Living-Earth-Gardeners-Permaculture-Ecoculture/dp/1856232603/

    • INRIA: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/French_Institute_for_Research_in_Computer_Science_and_Automation

    • How a Hydrofoil Works: https://web.mit.edu/2.972/www/reports/hydrofoil/hydrofoil.html

    • What Is Kitefoil or Foilboarding?: https://www.whenitswindy.com/wp/?page_id=534

    • Freediving: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freediving

    • Tanguy’s freediving stats: https://www.aidainternational.org/Athletes/Profile-00000000-0000-0000-0000-000000000a45

    • Perplexity: https://www.perplexity.com/

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    The paths to power: How to grow your influence and advance your career | Jeffrey Pfeffer (author of 7 Rules of Power, professor at Stanford GSB)

    The paths to power: How to grow your influence and advance your career | Jeffrey Pfeffer (author of 7 Rules of Power, professor at Stanford GSB)

    Jeffrey Pfeffer teaches the single most popular (and somewhat controversial) class at Stanford’s Graduate School of Business: The Paths to Power. He’s also the author of 16 books, including 7 Rules of Power: Surprising—But True—Advice on How to Get Things Done and Advance Your Career. He has taught at Harvard, the London Business School, and IESE and has written for publications like Fortune and the Washington Post. Recognized by the Academy of Management and listed in the Thinkers50 Hall of Fame, Jeffrey also serves on several corporate and nonprofit boards, bringing his expertise to global audiences through seminars and executive education. In our conversation, we discuss:

    • Jeffrey’s seven rules of power

    • How individuals can acquire and use power in business

    • Networking, and how to do it effectively

    • How to build a non-cringe personal brand

    • How to increase your influence to amplify your impact

    • Examples and stories of people building power

    • Tradeoffs and challenges that come with power

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    Where to find Jeffrey Pfeffer:

    • X: https://x.com/JeffreyPfeffer

    • LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/jeffrey-pfeffer-57a01b6/

    • Website: https://jeffreypfeffer.com/

    • Podcast: https://jeffreypfeffer.com/pfeffer-on-power/

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    • Newsletter: https://www.lennysnewsletter.com

    • X: https://twitter.com/lennysan

    • LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/lennyrachitsky/

    In this episode, we cover:

    (00:00) Jeffrey’s background 

    (02:54) Understanding discomfort with power

    (04:56) Power skills for underrepresented groups

    (07:51) The popularity and challenges of Jeffrey’s class at Stanford

    (12:21) The seven rules of power

    (13:03) Success stories from his course

    (15:43) Building a personal brand

    (21:11) Getting out of your own way

    (26:04) Breaking the rules to gain power

    (30:34) Networking relentlessly

    (40:10) Why Jeffrey says to “pursue weak ties”

    (42:00) Using your power to build more power

    (44:34) The importance of appearance and body language

    (47:15) Mastering the art of presentation

    (55:12) Examples of homework assignments that Jeffrey gives students

    (59:11) People will forget how you acquired power

    (01:03:58) More good people need to have power

    (01:10:49) The price of power and autonomy

    (01:17:13) A homework assignment for you

    Referenced:

    • Gerald Ferris on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/gerald-r-ferris-5816b1b5/

    • Political Skill at Work: https://tarjomefa.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/10/4173-engilish.pdf

    • Laura Esserman, MD: https://cancer.ucsf.edu/people/esserman.laura

    • Taylor Swift’s website: https://www.taylorswift.com/

    • Matthew 7: https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Matthew%207&version=NIV

    • Mother Teresa quote: https://www.goodreads.com/quotes/2887-if-you-judge-people-you-have-no-time-to-love

    • Paths to Power course description: https://jeffreypfeffer.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/10/Pfeffer-OB377-Course-Outline-2018.pdf

    7 Rules of Power: https://jeffreypfeffer.com/books/7-rules-of-power/

    The Knowing-Doing Gap: https://jeffreypfeffer.com/books/the-knowing-doing-gap/

    • Derek Kan on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/derekkan/

    • Mitt Romney on X: https://x.com/mittromney

    • Elaine Chao’s website: https://www.elainechao.com/

    • Tony Hsieh: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tony_Hsieh

    • Zappos: https://www.zappos.com/

    • How I Did It: Zappos’s CEO on Going to Extremes for Customers: https://hbr.org/2010/07/how-i-did-it-zapposs-ceo-on-going-to-extremes-for-customers

    • McKinsey & Company: https://www.mckinsey.com/

    • Bain & Company: https://www.bain.com/

    • BCG: https://www.bcg.com/

    • Keith Ferrazzi’s website: https://www.keithferrazzi.com/

    • Deloitte: https://www2.deloitte.com/

    • Tristan Walker: https://www.linkedin.com/in/tristanwalker/

    • Foursquare: https://foursquare.com/

    • Laura Chau on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/laura-chau/

    • Canaan Partners: https://www.canaan.com/

    • Andreessen Horowitz: https://a16z.com/

    • Sequoia Capital: https://www.sequoiacap.com/

    • Greylock: https://greylock.com/

    The Women Who Venture (WoVen) Podcast: https://www.canaan.com/woven/podcasts

    • Imposter syndrome: https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/basics/imposter-syndrome

    • Gary Loveman and Harrah’s Entertainment: https://www.gsb.stanford.edu/faculty-research/case-studies/gary-loveman-harrahs-entertainment

    • “If you need help, just ask”: Underestimating compliance with direct requests for help: https://www.gsb.stanford.edu/faculty-research/publications/if-you-need-help-just-ask-underestimating-compliance-direct-requests

    • Life story of Kathleen Frances Fowler: https://www.forevermissed.com/kathleenfowler/lifestory

    • Jason Calacanis on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/jasoncalacanis/

    • Jason Calacanis: A Case Study in Creating Resources: https://www.gsb.stanford.edu/faculty-research/case-studies/jason-calacanis-case-study-creating-resources

    You’re Invited: The Art and Science of Connection, Trust, and Belonging: https://www.amazon.com/Youre-Invited-Science-Cultivating-Influence/dp/0063030977

    • View from the Top: https://www.gsb.stanford.edu/experience/learning/guest-speakers/view-top

    • Omid Kordestani on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/omid-kordestani-46515151/

    • Netscape: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Netscape

    •  Esther Wojcicki on LinkedIn:  https://www.linkedin.com/in/estherwojcicki/

    • Leanne Williams: https://med.stanford.edu/profiles/leanne-williams

    Precision Psychiatry: Using Neuroscience Insights to Inform Personally Tailored, Measurement-Based Care: https://www.amazon.com/Precision-Psychiatry-Neuroscience-Personally-Measurement-Based/dp/1615371583

    • Mark Granovetter on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/mark-granovetter-8161704/

    • The Strength of Weak Ties: https://snap.stanford.edu/class/cs224w-readings/granovetter73weakties.pdf

    Getting a Jobhttps://www.amazon.com/Getting-Job-Study-Contacts-Careers/dp/0226305813

    Acting with Power: https://www.amazon.com/Acting-Power-More-Powerful-Believe/dp/110190397X

    • Articles by Herminia Ibarra: https://herminiaibarra.com/articles/

    Kingdom of the Planet of the Ape: https://www.imdb.com/title/tt11389872/

    • Jim Collins’s website: https://www.jimcollins.com/

    • Dana Carney on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/danarosecarney/

    • Baba Shiv: https://www.gsb.stanford.edu/faculty-research/faculty/baba-shiv

    • Tony Hayward: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tony_Hayward

    • Lloyd Blankfein: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lloyd_Blankfein

    • Regis McKenna: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Regis_McKenna

    • Jack Valenti: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jack_Valenti

    • Salman Rushdie quote: https://www.pinterest.com/pin/434175220328596286/

    • How to build deeper, more robust relationships | Carole Robin (Stanford GSB professor, “Touchy Feely”): https://www.lennysnewsletter.com/p/build-robust-relationships-carole-robin

    • Carole Robin’s 15% rule: https://pen-name.notion.site/Carole-Robin-on-Lenny-s-Podcast-dc7159208e4242428f4b11ebc92285eb

    • Karlie Kloss on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/karliekloss

    • Lindsey Graham’s website: https://www.lindseygraham.com/

    • Was Microsoft’s Empire Built on Stolen Code? We May Never Know: https://www.wired.com/2012/08/ms-dos-examined-for-thef/

    • Who’s who of Jeffrey Epstein’s powerful friends, associates and possible co-conspirators: https://www.cnn.com/2019/08/12/us/jeffrey-epstein-associates-possible-accomplices/index.html

    • Why Did Martha Stewart Go to Prison? A Look Back at Her 2004 Fraud Case: https://people.com/martha-stewart-fraud-case-prison-sentence-look-back-8550277

    • Dianne Feinstein: https://www.congress.gov/member/dianne-feinstein/F000062

    • Richard Blum: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_C._Blum

    • Athena Care Network: https://www.athenacarenetwork.org

    • James G. March: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_G._March

    • Satya Nadella on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/satyanadella/

    • Trump Organization fined $1.6 million for tax fraud: https://apnews.com/article/politics-legal-proceedings-new-york-city-donald-trump-manhattan-e2f1d01525dafb64be8738c8b4f32085

    • Rudy Giuliani: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rudy_Giuliani

    • Harvard president resigns amid claims of plagiarism and antisemitism backlash: https://www.theguardian.com/education/2024/jan/02/harvard-president-claudine-gay-resigns

    • Stanford president resigns after fallout from falsified data in his research: https://www.npr.org/2023/07/19/1188828810/stanford-university-president-resigns

    • Rudy Crew: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rudy_Crew

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    Uri Levine is the co-founder of Waze, the world’s largest community-based traffic and navigation app, acquired by Google for over $1 billion. He’s also founded nine other companies, been on the board of 20 companies, and advised more than 50 companies. He’s most recently the author of Fall in Love with the Problem, Not the Solution: A Handbook for Entrepreneurs, hailed by Steve Wozniak as the “Bible for entrepreneurs.” Uri is dedicated to creating impactful startups that solve real-world problems and has seen everything from failure to moderate success to big success. In our conversation, we dig into:

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    • The phases of the startup journey and how to navigate them

    • Why firing is more important than hiring

    • How Waze iterated to achieve product-market fit

    • Tactics for telling a compelling story when fundraising

    • Much more

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    • Website: https://urilevine.com/

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    (02:50) Falling in love with the problem

    (09:03) Signs this is a big enough problem

    (10:54) The importance of passion

    (12:06) A pivot example

    (14:01) Where to find startup ideas

    (21:57) Finding product-market fit at Waze

    (29:45) The different phases of a startup journey

    (36:47) What investors don’t want to hear

    (39:53) Fundraising tips

    (48:02) How to make your presentations stronger

    (50:32) A wild fundraising story

    (53:46) Firing and hiring

    (59:50) The 30-day test

    (01:04:12) Understanding users

    (01:12:10) Talking to the right users

    (01:15:36) Lightning round

    Referenced:

    Fall in Love with the Problem, Not the Solution: A Handbook for Entrepreneurs: https://www.amazon.com/Fall-Love-Problem-Solution-Entrepreneurs/dp/1637741987

    • Waze: https://www.waze.com/

    • Ben Horowitz on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/behorowitz/

    • Ben Horowitz quote: https://quotefancy.com/quote/1635284/Ben-Horowitz-As-a-startup-CEO-I-slept-like-a-baby-I-woke-up-every-2-hours-and-cried

    • Michael Jordan quote: https://www.forbes.com/quotes/11194/#:~:text=I've%20lost%20almost%20300,that%20is%20why%20I%20succeed.

    • Steph Curry: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stephen_Curry

    • How Airbnb Used Word of Mouth to Change the Travel Industry Forever: https://truested.com/story/airbnb

    • Space Mountain: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Space_Mountain_(Disneyland)

    • How Netflix builds a culture of excellence | Elizabeth Stone (CTO): https://www.lennysnewsletter.com/p/how-netflix-builds-a-culture-of-excellence

    • Steve Wozniak on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/wozniaksteve/

    • Uri’s post about the conference in Guatemala with Steve Wozniak: https://www.linkedin.com/posts/uri-levine_jewishnewyear-speakers-book-activity-6980089544079486976-0ADa/

    • Leonardo da Vinci quote: https://www.goodreads.com/quotes/9010638-simplicity-is-the-ultimate-sophistication-when-once-you-have-tasted

    • Geoffrey Moore on finding your beachhead, crossing the chasm, and dominating a market: https://www.lennysnewsletter.com/p/geoffrey-moore-on-finding-your-beachhead

    • Nana Korobi Ya Oki: https://ikigaitribe.com/vlog/nana-korobi-ya-oki/

    That Will Never Work: The Birth of Netflix and the Amazing Life of an Idea: https://www.amazon.com/That-Will-Never-Work-Netflix/dp/0316530204

    Atomic Habits: An Easy & Proven Way to Build Good Habits & Break Bad Ones: https://www.amazon.com/Atomic-Habits-Proven-Build-Break/dp/0735211299

    • 8 Great Chess Apps for Beginners and Grand Masters: https://www.wired.com/story/best-chess-apps/

    • Pontera: https://pontera.com/

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