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    #699: Apollo Robbins, The World’s Most Famous Pickpocket — Pickpocketing the Secret Service, Manipulating Attention, Famous Con Artists, The Psychology of Deception, Self-Defense Techniques, The Secret Language of Thieves, and More

    Apollo Robbins found success by specializing in his unique skill of pickpocketing, and navigating challenges with humor and integrity, ultimately securing a job in the entertainment industry.

    enOctober 19, 2023

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    Apollo Robbins (@ApolloRobbins) is often referred to as “The Gentleman Thief.” He first made national news when he pick-pocketed the Secret Service while entertaining a former U.S. President. Forbes has called Robbins “an artful manipulator of awareness,” and Wired has written that “he could steal the wallet of a man who knew he was going to have his pocket picked.” 

    Robbins’ entertainment credentials include the Warner Bros. film Focus, with Will Smith and Margot Robbie, along with appearances in Brooklyn 99, and the TNT series Leverage. He was a producer and co-host for National Geographic’s Brain Games, which was nominated for an Emmy for Outstanding Informational Series. Robbins applies his expertise in magic and misdirection beyond entertainment, pulling back the curtain to show how the principles behind these illusions can enhance strategic thinking and decision-making. 

    His contributions to attention and perception research have been published in Scientific American Mind and Nature Reviews Neuroscience. He has delivered lectures at Harvard Kennedy School, MIT Sloan School of Management, and the Society of Neuroscience. He has been profiled by The New Yorker and featured in The New York TimesThe AtlanticNational Geographic, and The Wall Street Journal. Robbins’ TED Talk, “The Art of Misdirection,” is ranked in the 20 most-watched TED Talks of all time and has been hailed by the TED editors as a revelation in the flaws of human perception. 

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    [07:51] Was Apollo a naturally dextrous wunderkind?

    [10:26] The influence of Apollo’s blind minister father.

    [14:10] Apollo’s slide toward agnosticism.

    [17:24] Ben Stone enters the picture.

    [21:08] Taking in orphaned animals as a youngster.

    [23:31] An early lesson on the value of money.

    [25:20] Bear in a box.

    [28:19] Seeing magic as a ticket to the larger world.

    [30:55] Shoplifting for fun, profit, and education.

    [32:19] Equivoque magic and Jazz-based mentalism.

    [38:09] A magic book club and a year-round Santa.

    [44:10] Apollo’s first fateful trip to Vegas.

    [52:14] A false accusation leads to a real job and a vampire code.

    [55:27] Jimmy Carter and the Secret Service.

    [1:03:44] The pros and cons of becoming legendary.

    [1:05:39] Academic accolades.

    [1:08:01] A sauce less secret isn’t necessarily less rich.

    [1:09:28] Recovering when the reps get rough.

    [1:11:12] Sheet music versus jazz.

    [1:14:10] The introduction to — and enduring influence of — Apollo’s wife, Ava Do.

    [1:22:27] Perception science perceived but not yet entered into the lexicon.

    [1:26:16] The significance of Apollo’s silver ring.

    [1:27:01] Meeting (and stealing from) Penn Jillette.

    [1:29:10] Demonstrating the confidence of a con man.

    [1:33:03] Hallmarks that differentiate Apollo’s style.

    [1:40:14] Who has the advantage with arguments in the Robbins household?

    [1:41:18] 40 Elephants in the modern world.

    [1:42:52] Teaching kids about the cons — and pros — of deception.

    [1:45:50] Paltering and puffery.

    [1:49:14] Perceptual shaping and change raising.

    [1:51:14] Slick re-thievery.

    [1:54:01] Influential reading.

    [1:56:38] Whiz Mob.

    [1:59:22] How is a team of pickpockets organized?

    [2:04:54] The pandemic of the Dunning-Kruger effect.

    [2:08:37] Best practices to avoid becoming a target for theft.

    [2:11:14] The Illusion of Knowledge Project.

    [2:15:28] The Unsinkable Titanic Thompson and other noteworthy charlatans.

    [2:19:06] Rod the Hop, Kevin Mitnick, and Whizmob Inc.

    [2:23:11] How one word can make a difference to an impressionable child.

    [2:26:38] Parting thoughts.

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    🔑 Key Takeaways

    • Apollo Robbins' story teaches us the power of resilience, determination, and defying expectations. It reminds us that greatness can come from unexpected places, and we should never underestimate our own potential.
    • Our abilities to overcome obstacles and question societal perceptions are shaped by our experiences and the stories we tell ourselves.
    • Our upbringing shapes our values, and embracing gray areas in life allows us to see multiple perspectives. Resilience and adaptability help us overcome setbacks and find new paths forward.
    • The importance of choosing a challenging path and dedicating oneself to a passion, regardless of the easier alternatives.
    • Set goals, work diligently, and find creative ways to achieve them. Seek guidance and learn from others to pave the path to success.
    • Embrace unconventional situations and use them to fuel personal growth and success. Think outside the box and develop your own style.
    • Apollo Robbins' unique style of magic is influenced by his early observations, curiosity, and experimentation. His jazz-based approach allows him to engage and manipulate his audience while debunking claims of supernatural abilities.
    • Apollo Robbins believes in creating unique and organic experiences by embracing spontaneity and improvisation, allowing him to connect on a deeper level with his audience.
    • Apollo Robbins' unique approach to magic focuses on storytelling and audience connection, capturing attention and manipulating the subconscious without a team of associates, influenced by his wife.
    • Sometimes, when we least expect it, taking a chance and embracing unexpected opportunities can set us on new and exciting paths in life.
    • Apollo Robbins found success by specializing in his unique skill of pickpocketing, and navigating challenges with humor and integrity, ultimately securing a job in the entertainment industry.
    • Apollo Robbins' pickpocketing technique relies on anticipation, setting ground rules, and suspense, creating a thrilling experience for both him and his audience.
    • Attention is a limited resource, and understanding personal space and proprioception can create opportunities for theft - adjust strategies based on context and people involved.
    • By mastering the art of diverting attention and exploiting people's tendency to overlook details, Apollo Robbins demonstrates the importance of staying aware and avoiding task blindness in order to avoid vulnerabilities.
    • Understanding sight lines and attention can lead to important connections and opportunities for growth and impact in any field.
    • Adaptability, improvisation, and understanding of human behavior are crucial in mastering the art of deception and redirecting attention effectively.
    • Embrace unexpected opportunities and be open-minded to the transferability of skills and knowledge across different domains, as they may lead to meaningful connections and new perspectives.
    • Identifying the central theme and repackaging diluted arguments, staying ahead and adapting to new knowledge are crucial in countering tactics of deception and manipulation in various domains.
    • Understanding human behavior requires recognizing the limitations of lab studies and exploring the tolerance individuals have for uncertainty. In a world of deepfakes, it's crucial to develop comfort with uncertainty and find ways to discern the truth.
    • Perception and interpretation are crucial in our daily interactions. Be aware of our surroundings, question what we see and hear. Apollo Robbins' silver dollar ring symbolizes his journey and the benefits of silver in sleight of hand.
    • Stay curious even in success, as it can blind us to important details and biases. Question assumptions and look beyond the obvious to continue learning and growing.
    • Beware of the power of misdirection and the impact of non-verbal communication in shaping our perception of reality. Stay aware of your surroundings.
    • Attention is a versatile tool that can be harnessed to influence thoughts and actions, making it a valuable skill to understand and manipulate human behavior.
    • Deception, when used consciously and responsibly, can serve as a valuable tool for social harmony, scientific breakthroughs, critical thinking, and shaping beliefs.
    • Recognize the use of puffery in marketing and understand the influence of narratives in shaping opinions, promoting deception awareness, and facilitating more diplomatic political discussions.
    • Questioning what we think we know and constantly updating our belief systems is essential for personal growth and understanding human behavior.
    • Deep canvassing and self-reflection are crucial for changing minds in meaningful conversations. Learning from books like "How Minds Are Changed" and "Deception in the Digital Age" helps expand knowledge and encourages questioning perceptions.
    • Pickpocket teams work together like a well-oiled machine, utilizing specific roles and tactics to carry out successful thefts, with modern technology making smartphones a prime target.
    • Prioritize personal security by being mindful of your surroundings, avoiding overconfidence, and developing a predator mindset to understand where people's attention is directed. Stay vigilant in crowded environments and digital interactions.
    • By understanding thieves' tactics and mindset, we can protect ourselves by using decoy items, hidden compartments, and deceiving potential thieves. This mindset applies to both physical security and protection of personal data.
    • Make a positive impact and change the world by taking action first, even if the business model comes later. Avoid forcing sincerity into a predetermined model and embrace intention and integrity.
    • Learn valuable lessons from the cunning strategies and incredible skills of con artists, reminding us to be cautious, observant, and aware of our surroundings.
    • Choosing our words carefully can have a profound impact on our mindset and behaviors, unlocking our creative potential and transforming moments of "boredom" into opportunities for creativity and problem-solving.
    • Embracing innovative methods and being open to learning in unexpected forms can lead to personal and collective growth.

    📝 Podcast Summary

    The Inspiring Journey of Apollo Robbins: From Unlikely Beginnings to Success

    Apollo Robbins, also known as The Gentleman Thief, has defied expectations and overcome challenges from a young age. Despite his parents' circumstances and his own health issues, Robbins did not start off with innate dexterity or destined fame. Instead, his journey began with a story of his blind father meeting his future mother through an unlikely encounter with two teenagers. Doctors had low expectations for Robbins due to his mother's health complications, but he proved them wrong. This highlights the importance of resilience, determination, and the ability to overcome obstacles on the path to success. Robbins' story serves as a reminder that greatness can come from unexpected places and that we shouldn't underestimate our own potential.

    Overcoming Disabilities and Challenging Beliefs

    Apollo Robbins' experiences with physical disabilities and his father's blindness shaped his resilience and ability to overcome obstacles. Despite facing motor problems and having to wear braces on his legs, Apollo learned to be persistent and acquire skills through therapy. His father, who became blind due to meningitis, adopted a dogmatic approach to his ministry and taught Apollo the power of storytelling and creativity. Apollo's own journey led him to question religious beliefs and identify as agnostic. This highlights the importance of challenging societal perceptions and the stories we tell ourselves, as they can limit our perception of reality.

    A Journey of Perspective, Resilience, and Adaptability

    Our upbringing and experiences shape our perspectives and values. Apollo Robbins grew up in a dichotomy between his patriotic and religious father and his brothers involved in illegal activities. This stark contrast taught him to embrace the gray areas of life and seek multiple perspectives before accepting one absolute truth. This mindset continued to guide him as he explored different beliefs and viewpoints. Additionally, his passion for cartooning provided an escape from his troubled family dynamic until it was abruptly destroyed. This setback forced him to confront the challenge of starting over and finding a new path forward. Overall, Robbins' journey highlights the importance of resilience, adaptability, and the ability to see beyond black-and-white thinking.

    Discovering a Passion: Apollo Robbins' Journey into Magic and Mastery

    Apollo Robbins' interest in magic tricks and his encounter with Ben Stone at a young age played a significant role in shaping his future path. Despite being undecided and easily influenced during his teenage years, Robbins found inspiration and direction through the art of magic. Stone's demonstration of tricks with a fake thumb and a deck of cards sparked Robbins' fascination, leading him to choose the more challenging path of mastering sleight of hand. This choice motivated him to dedicate countless hours to studying and practicing magic tricks, ultimately leading him to become a renowned expert. This early experience highlights the importance of finding a passion and committing to it, even when faced with choices that may seem easier or more convenient.

    Lessons in Hard Work, Resourcefulness, and Seeking Mentorship

    Apollo Robbins learned the value of hard work and resourcefulness from a young age. When he wanted a toy rifle as a child, his parents challenged him to earn the money to buy it himself. Through various odd jobs and entrepreneurial endeavors, he diligently collected coins until he had enough to purchase the rifle. This experience taught him the importance of setting goals, counting money, and finding creative ways to make more. Moreover, Robbins's early interest in drawing led him to seek mentors in the art world, showing his proactiveness in seeking guidance and learning from others. These early lessons in perseverance, self-reliance, and seeking mentorship have shaped Robbins into the successful person he is today.

    Embracing Unique Experiences: Apollo Robbins' Journey to Magic

    Apollo Robbins' unique experiences and diverse skillset shaped his journey to becoming a renowned magician. From working at a young age with animals like bears and raccoons to learning magic from books without mentors, Robbins developed a fearless and innovative approach to his craft. His exposure to unconventional situations, such as his brothers' thefts and his own shoplifting experiences, gave him a different perspective and comfort with taking risks. This allowed him to think outside the box and create his own style of magic, such as hiding objects on other people instead of making them disappear completely. Robbins' journey emphasizes the importance of embracing unique experiences and using them to fuel personal growth and success.

    Apollo Robbins' Journey into the Art of Magic

    Apollo Robbins' experiences and influences have shaped his unique style of magic. From a young age, he observed and admired the magical abilities of a mysterious man working on a window. This sparked his curiosity and led him on a quest to find the secrets behind these illusions. Through joining a magic club and experimenting with various techniques, he developed his skills in manipulating objects and influencing choices. His style of magic is jazz-based, allowing him to give the illusion of agency to his audience while subtly directing their choices. Furthermore, he explains the distinction between mentalism and psychics, emphasizing that mentalists perform under the banner of entertainment rather than claiming supernatural abilities.

    Embracing Spontaneity: Apollo Robbins' Jazz-Influenced Approach to Magic

    Apollo Robbins' approach to magic is heavily influenced by jazz. Unlike the traditional, structured and scripted nature of performance magic, Robbins embraces the spontaneity and improvisation of jazz. He doesn't feel constricted by a script and prefers to create an organic experience with his audience. He believes in the value of creating in the moment and making each performance unique to the individuals witnessing it. He would rather jump off a cliff and figure it out on the way down, rather than following a predetermined plan. This jazz-influenced approach allows him to connect with the audience on a deeper level and create truly memorable experiences.

    Apollo Robbins: Creating Sparks through Magic and Manipulation

    Apollo Robbins' approach to magic and manipulation is driven by a genuine desire to create sparks in people and provide them with unique experiences. Unlike many magicians who use their craft to fill a personal void or seek validation, Robbins focuses on the art of storytelling and connecting with his audience. His ability to blend skills from martial arts, animation, and sleight of hand allows him to manipulate a person's body and tell a subconscious story without their conscious awareness. He has developed a style that captures attention and locks people into a dance, all while flying solo without the need for a team of thieves. Additionally, Robbins attributes much of his success to the influence of his wife, who has played a significant role in shaping his trajectory.

    Seizing unexpected opportunities can lead to transformative experiences.

    Sometimes unexpected opportunities and encounters can shape our paths in life. Apollo Robbins found himself torn between two worlds, art and magic, but it was the encouragement from teachers that pushed him towards design and illustration. He pursued both careers simultaneously, but it was a chance encounter with a touring magician that changed everything. The magician invited Apollo to visit Las Vegas, and despite never having flown on a plane before, he took the leap. Apollo recognized that many magicians lacked certain skills or business sense, and he saw an opportunity to bring his unique perspective to the industry. Eventually, he made the decision to quit his job as an artist and pursue magic full-time, and it turned out to be a pivotal moment that set him on a new and exciting path. This story reminds us that sometimes the best opportunities come when we least expect them, and seizing them can lead to transformative experiences.

    Differentiating Through Unique Skills and Quick Thinking

    Apollo Robbins, a master pickpocket and entertainer, found success by focusing on his unique skill set and differentiating himself in the entertainment industry. When he first came to Vegas, he decided to specialize in stealing and drop other acts, as there were only a few others in that space. His ability to steal without people realizing it was a fascinating brand that caught the attention of agents and clients. However, Apollo's career wasn't without challenges. He faced awkward situations like breaking a watchband while stealing and being accused of stealing rings he didn't touch. Through quick thinking, humor, and calmness, Apollo was able to navigate these incidents and even secured a job by demonstrating his integrity.

    Apollo Robbins' Unique Style of Pickpocketing: Anticipation, Ground Rules, and Suspense.

    Apollo Robbins developed a unique style of pickpocketing that was rooted in anticipation and setting ground rules. He learned from his experiences and adapted his approach to avoid certain situations, such as stealing from individuals who were drinking or had Alzheimer's. Rather than relying on surprise, his style focused on suspense and preemptive strategies. This led him to introduce a challenge to his audience, inviting them to try and catch him within a specified timeframe. His approach became a potent and different style that created a thrilling experience for both him and his audience. Additionally, Robbins recounts an interesting encounter with the Secret Service, where he was given permission to steal from them but not from former President Jimmy Carter, showcasing the paradoxes of his profession.

    Adapting Techniques: Apollo Robbins' Journey as a Pickpocket

    Apollo Robbins, a renowned performer and pickpocket, learned to adapt his techniques as he got older and gained more experience. While he still engages in activities involving the Secret Service, he does so in a different context. He recalls a time when he approached two Secret Service agents and successfully stole items from them. Robbins emphasizes the concept of attention as a limited resource and explains the importance of curating someone's attention to create opportunities for theft. He also highlights the significance of understanding individuals' personal space and proprioception, using these insights to gain access to their belongings. Robbins' story underscores the importance of adjusting strategies based on the context and the people involved.

    The Power of Attention to Detail and Misdirection in Theft and Entertainment

    Attention to detail and misdirection are powerful tools used by Apollo Robbins in his methods as a thief and entertainer. By strategically diverting people's focus and exploiting their tendency to overlook certain details, Robbins is able to carry out his acts of theft without detection. Additionally, Robbins highlights the concept of lore and how it can shape perceptions and expectations. While lore can create intrigue and fascination, it can also create unrealistic expectations and make it challenging to meet them. Moreover, Robbins emphasizes the phenomenon of task blindness, where individuals become so focused on a specific task that they fail to notice other important factors. This underscores the importance of maintaining awareness and not becoming too narrowly focused in order to avoid potential vulnerabilities.

    The Power of Attention: Discovering Sight Lines

    Apollo Robbins discovered the power of attention through an experiment with eye tracking software. He realized that there are two types of sight lines - a straight line and a half circle - and that they have different effects on people's attention. Moving in a straight line from point A to point B created a transition point where attention bounced back to point B. However, moving in a half circle from point A to point B eliminated the need for people to look back at the point of origin. This understanding of sight lines and attention led Robbins to make important connections with scientists and speak at prestigious events, expanding his knowledge and impact in the field.

    Apollo Robbins - The Art of Manipulation and Misdirection

    Apollo Robbins, a renowned pickpocket, has a unique social contract with his audience that differs from that of a thief on the street. By engaging in conversation and gaining access to people's bodies, Robbins can justify his actions and create a feedback loop with his audience. As soon as they detect one trick, he quickly adapts and shifts their attention elsewhere, causing them to lose focus on other belongings. This reveals that his definition of failure is not getting caught stealing a watch or other valuables, but rather failing to divert attention successfully. Robbins' ability to manipulate and misdirect his audience demonstrates the importance of adaptability and improvisation in his craft. Additionally, his close observations and understanding of human behavior are reminiscent of martial arts sparring, where he gauges reactions and vulnerabilities to execute his tricks successfully. Ultimately, his skills rely on his ability to create options and change paths effortlessly.

    Embracing New Opportunities and Expanding Perspectives

    Apollo Robbins, a specialist in con artistry and thievery, learned an important lesson about expanding his perspective. Despite his focus on his world of con artists, he was approached to do a TV show about picking up women. This unexpected opportunity led him to meet his future wife, who encouraged him to explore the application of his skills to larger problems in the world. She introduced him to psychology and encouraged him to collaborate with a neuroscientist and write for The New Yorker. Through their discussions and her encouragement, Apollo realized that the concepts he learned in his con artist world were applicable to other areas, such as observing parallels in a presidential debate. This experience taught him the importance of being open-minded and recognizing the transferability of skills and knowledge.

    The Tactics of Deception and Manipulation in Debates, Cash Exchanges, and Personal Relationships

    The art of deception and manipulation can be found in various domains, including debates, cash exchanges, and personal relationships. Apollo Robbins illustrates how debaters and short-changers use overwhelming tactics to overpower their opponents, while individuals dilute their arguments by assassinating personal character. However, the key to countering these tactics lies in identifying the central theme and repackaging the diluted points. Additionally, the power of knowledge and learning becomes evident as Robbins delves into studying Plato and Socrates, expanding his understanding of psychology and its application. Furthermore, the influence of a supportive partner and their unique backgrounds can play a crucial role in shaping one's perspectives and actions. Ultimately, this demonstrates the importance of constantly staying ahead and adapting to new knowledge and insights, whether in the realm of entertainment, psychology, or everyday life.

    Real-life complexity and the limitations of lab studies in understanding human behavior.

    In the field of neuroscience, there is often a focus on studying single variables in controlled lab environments. However, real life is complex and multi-variable, and it's important to recognize the limitations of lab studies. This is especially true when it comes to understanding human behavior, attention, and perception. Additionally, there is a need for more research on how people engage with uncertainty. Rather than looking at political divisions as left versus right, it may be more beneficial to explore the tolerance individuals have for uncertainty. With advancements in technology and the rise of deepfakes, it's crucial to develop comfort with uncertainty and find ways to spot the truth in a future where deception becomes the norm.

    The Art of Misdirection and Psychological Manipulation: Apollo Robbins' Skill in Stealing and Magic Tricks

    Apollo Robbins demonstrates the power of misdirection and psychological manipulation in his skill of stealing and performing magic tricks. By using clever tactics, such as diverting attention or creating distractions, Robbins is able to successfully deceive and surprise his audience. This highlights the importance of perception and interpretation in our everyday interactions. It reminds us to be mindful of our surroundings and to question the things we see and hear. Additionally, Robbins' choice to use a silver dollar ring serves as a personal reminder of his journey and the unique properties of silver that aid in his sleight of hand.

    Curiosity and success: The trap of confirmation bias

    Our curiosity tends to diminish when we're winning and increase when we lose. This observation applies not only to games and magic tricks, but also to our overall mindset in life. When we experience success, we often become less curious about why we're succeeding, whereas failure sparks a desire to understand what went wrong. This tendency can lead us to overlook important details and biases in our thinking. By staying curious and open-minded even in moments of success, we can avoid falling into the trap of confirmation bias and continue to learn and grow. Additionally, this insight highlights the importance of questioning assumptions and looking beyond the obvious, as success can sometimes blind us to alternative possibilities.

    The Art of Manipulating Perception and Attention

    Apollo Robbins' incredible skill lies in his ability to manipulate perception and attention. By strategically diverting Tim Ferriss' focus and using his body language and gestures, Robbins was able to create a sense of confusion and wonder. He took advantage of Ferriss' momentary distraction to subtly remove and replace his pen, leaving him stunned and searching for answers. This highlights the importance of being aware of our surroundings and not underestimating the power of misdirection. It also emphasizes the significance of non-verbal communication and the impact it can have on shaping our perception of reality. Apollo Robbins' unique blend of skills and mental dexterity make for an extraordinary experience that few have witnessed.

    The Power of Attention: Manipulating Focus and Perception

    Attention is a powerful tool that can be manipulated to control someone's focus and perception. Apollo Robbins explains how he uses attention to distract people and carry out his tricks. He emphasizes that attention can be both internal and external, broad or narrow, and understanding these dimensions is crucial in influencing someone's thoughts and actions. Robbins demonstrates how he moves people between different stages of attention to create the desired effect. Furthermore, Robbins' wife, who is also a mentalist, uses the principles of attention in their everyday interactions, highlighting its applicability beyond magic tricks. Overall, this insight suggests that mastering attention can be a valuable skill in various contexts, allowing individuals to better understand and manipulate human behavior.

    The Positive Side of Deception: Exploring the Benefits and Applications of Strategic Misdirection

    Deception, when used with intention and awareness, can have pro-social and positive applications. Rather than teaching our children that lying is inherently bad, we can teach them the value of deception as a social lubricant. Deception is all around us, from everyday actions like putting on makeup to scientific advancements like using decoy cells to defeat cancer. Critical thinking is important in countering deception, and understanding the role of deception in our communal culture helps us appreciate the necessity of critical thinking. Deception can be used to make someone feel like they have taken action when they haven't, providing peace of mind or even stopping the spread of diseases like malaria. It also plays a role in crafting beliefs through the strategic ordering of true statements. By expanding our horizons and recognizing the broader applications of deception, we can better navigate its complexities.

    Deception and manipulation: From magic tricks to advertising and politics.

    Deception and manipulation techniques are not only used in magic tricks, but also in everyday situations like advertising and politics. Apollo Robbins highlights the concept of puffery, where words are used without any real meaning to create false impressions. This practice can be seen in product marketing, where claims are made about a product's functions or qualities without any actual proof. Additionally, Robbins emphasizes the importance of understanding narratives and belief systems that shape people's opinions. He suggests focusing on deception awareness and learning how these techniques are traditionally done, rather than targeting individuals' beliefs directly. By doing so, there is potential to encourage more diplomacy and a move towards the center in political discussions.

    The Power of Curiosity and Pursuit of Knowledge

    Apollo Robbins' experience of finding the person who stole his sentimental coins led him to delve deeper into the science of human behavior and persuasion. He explored books like "Influence" by Robert Cialdini and studied critical thinking to understand how beliefs are constructed. Robbins realized the importance of questioning what we think we know and constantly updating our belief systems. He recognized the need for more specific definitions of critical thinking to tackle reasoning problems effectively. Ultimately, Robbins began questioning his role in helping others navigate belief systems and updating their perspectives. This anecdote highlights the power of curiosity and the pursuit of knowledge in shaping personal growth and understanding human behavior.

    The Importance of Questioning Beliefs and Exploring Different Perspectives

    Apollo Robbins, a renowned magician and pickpocket, emphasizes the importance of deep canvassing and questioning one's beliefs. He highlights the book "How Minds Are Changed," which delves into the process of changing someone's mind in a conversation with lasting results. This is different from traditional magic books and encourages self-reflection and the need to update our own beliefs. Another significant book for Robbins is "Deception in the Digital Age," which explores the world of deception and was written by a friend who was with the FBI. Additionally, Robbins shares his fascination with the concept of Wiz Mob, a specific type of theft where thieves travel and can shift between different roles within a team. The study of such arcane disciplines fuels Robbins' curiosity and desire to learn. Overall, these insights shed light on the importance of questioning perceptions, expanding knowledge, and exploring different perspectives.

    The Strategic Operations of Pickpocket Teams and the Changing Landscape of Theft

    Pickpocket teams operate strategically and have specific roles within their team. They work together like a school of fish, moving smoothly through a crowd. The quarterback, the most valuable player, is the one who does the actual stealing, while other team members, such as the sticks and stalls, create distractions and prevent anyone from catching the thief in action. The shade focuses on counter-surveillance, while the steer qualifies potential targets to ensure that the risk is worth the reward. Modern technology has changed the game, with thieves now targeting phones to access bank accounts and other personal information. These teams are skilled and adaptable, constantly evolving to stay one step ahead.

    Situational awareness and personal security: Protect yourself from theft and scams, and be mindful of emerging threats like deepfakes.

    Situational awareness and personal security are crucial in today's world. Apollo Robbins emphasizes the importance of being mindful of our surroundings and avoiding overconfidence. He highlights the decline in situational awareness and the rise of overdependence on technology, which makes people more vulnerable to theft and scams. Robbins also discusses the emerging threat of deepfakes and how they can be used for impersonation and manipulation. Instead of relying solely on physical safeguards like money belts, he recommends focusing on developing a predator mindset and mastering the skill of understanding where people's attention is directed. Ultimately, it is essential to prioritize personal security and be vigilant in crowded environments and digital interactions.

    Thinking like a thief: Strategies for personal security and theft prevention.

    When it comes to personal security and theft prevention, it's important to think like a thief. By understanding the tactics and mindset of thieves, we can better protect ourselves and our valuables. One strategy is the concept of satisfaction of search, where thieves stop looking once they find something that satisfies their curiosity. We can use this to our advantage by giving them something to find, such as a decoy item or a hidden compartment. Additionally, treating the unimportant as important and the important as unimportant can help to deceive potential thieves. This mindset applies not only to physical security but also to the protection of personal data and information. By being aware of our vulnerabilities and taking proactive measures, we can better safeguard ourselves in various situations.

    Sharing Expertise and Experiences: The Illusion Knowledge Project by Apollo Robbins

    Apollo Robbins is embarking on the Illusion Knowledge project to share his expertise and experiences. While the project is not yet available, he has created a trailer on his website "Evo" or "Istealstuff.com" for people to explore. Robbins emphasizes the importance of doing what you can to make a positive impact and change the world, even if it means building first and creating a business model later. Tim Ferriss agrees that this approach aligns with intention and integrity, especially for high-level craftsmen or craftswomen. They caution against corrupting sincerity by forcing it into a predetermined model. Robbins also mentions interesting historical figures like the famous con artist Titanic Thompson, known for his outrageous bets and remarkable skills.

    Unveiling the Hidden World of Con Artists and Thieves

    The world of con artists and thieves is filled with fascinating stories and valuable lessons. From the likes of Apollo Robbins and the Unsinkable Titan Thompson, we learn that these individuals possess incredible skills and cunning strategies. The story of Victor Lustig selling the Eiffel Tower twice highlights the importance of timing and exploiting opportunities. Additionally, the personal story of Apollo Robbins' friend, Rod the Hop, reveals the complex nature of their work and the loyalty that can exist among thieves. Ultimately, these tales shed light on the hidden world of deception and remind us to be cautious, observant, and aware of our surroundings.

    The Power of Words: Shaping Mindset and Behavior

    Words have a powerful impact on behavior. Apollo Robbins shares an anecdote about teaching his daughter the concept of boredom and how it influenced her mindset. By reframing the idea of boredom and associating it with a broken imagination, Robbins helped his daughter approach moments of "boredom" as opportunities for creativity and problem-solving. This simple shift in language had a profound effect on her, as she never complained of being bored and instead actively sought out ways to occupy her time. This teaches us the importance of choosing our words carefully, as they can shape our mindset and behaviors, and even unlock our creative potential.

    Using Deception as a Trojan Horse for Learning

    Deception can be used as a tool to help people learn and overcome their belief that something is irrelevant or impossible. By packaging learning in a disguised form, such as using a memory system hidden within a tour, individuals can unknowingly acquire new skills or knowledge. This concept of using Deception as a Trojan Horse for learning is intriguing and opens up possibilities for innovative educational approaches. Additionally, this takeaway highlights the importance of being open to learning and not having a big ego that obstructs growth. Embracing new ways of teaching and accepting that learning can come disguised in unexpected forms can lead to personal and collective growth.

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    #736: A Strategic Deep Dive on TikTok, The Boiling Moat of Taiwan, and China’s Next-Gen Statecraft — Matt Pottinger, Former U.S. Deputy National Security Advisor

    Matt Pottinger is a distinguished visiting fellow at the Hoover Institution and chairman of the China Program at the Foundation for Defense of Democracies. Matt served as U.S. Deputy National Security Advisor from 2019 to 2021. Before his White House service, Matt spent the late 1990s and early 2000s in China as a reporter for Reuters and The Wall Street Journal. He then fought in Iraq and Afghanistan as a U.S. Marine during three combat deployments between 2007 and 2010. Matt’s new book is The Boiling Moat: Urgent Steps to Defend Taiwan.

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    [58:51] Cultivating social depth in Taiwan.

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    [1:05:33] Demonstrating the will to match the capacity of following through.

    [1:07:47] Matt’s top priorities for stemming Chinese ambitions.

    [1:10:15] Architects of chaos.

    [1:14:21] Staying alert against informational warfare and united front activity.

    [1:21:00] Countering China’s influence on its Western-based citizens.

    [1:25:05] Checkers vs. Go.

    [1:26:56] How can the US reassert its position as a beacon of democracy?

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    [1:38:50] Getting in shape for the occasion.

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    #735: Craig Foster of My Octopus Teacher — How to Find the Wild in a Tame World

    #735: Craig Foster of My Octopus Teacher — How to Find the Wild in a Tame World

    Craig Foster is an Oscar- and BAFTA-winning filmmaker, naturalist, author, and ocean explorer. He is the co-founder of the Sea Change Project, an NGO dedicated to the long-term conservation and regeneration of the Great African Seaforest. His film My Octopus Teacher has led to making the Great African Seaforest a global icon. His new book is Amphibious Soul: Finding the Wild in a Tame World

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    [08:39] A morning ray.

    [11:01] Connecting with the sea is a family tradition.

    [13:24] Making The Great Dance.

    [15:28] Unnatural powers granted by natural attunement.

    [22:40] Observing the secret lives of animals.

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    [29:37] Connecting with nature in the big city.

    [32:43] Breath holding and cold exposure.

    [37:25] Land lessons via underwater tracking.

    [42:55] Connecting with a Cape clawless otter.

    [46:20] Interspecies alliances.

    [49:39] What compelled Craig to write Amphibious Soul?

    [52:58] Why pristine nature comforts and inspires us.

    [1:00:03] Is ancestral memory real?

    [1:04:16] Nature as a mirror.

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    [1:10:03] Song catching.

    [1:16:30] The meaning of “home.”

    [1:19:03] Parenting lessons.

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    [1:31:18] For whom was Amphibious Soul written?

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    [1:35:53] The short-sightedness of current climate policy.

    [1:41:52] Changing entrenched minds.

    [1:52:37] A camera-stealing octopus.

    [1:55:25] Hope for a shift in human perspective.

    [1:58:21] Parting thoughts.

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    #734: In Case You Missed It: March 2024 Recap of "The Tim Ferriss Show"

    #734: In Case You Missed It: March 2024 Recap of "The Tim Ferriss Show"

    This episode is brought to you by 5-Bullet Friday, my very own email newsletter.

    Welcome to another episode of The Tim Ferriss Show, where it is my job to deconstruct world-class performers to tease out the routines, habits, et cetera that you can apply to your own life. 

    This is a special inbetweenisode, which serves as a recap of the episodes from last month. It features a short clip from each conversation in one place so you can easily jump around to get a feel for the episode and guest.

    Based on your feedback, this format has been tweaked and improved since the first recap episode. For instance, listeners suggested that the bios for each guest can slow the momentum, so we moved all the bios to the end. 

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    Barbara Corcoran — How She Turned $1,000 into a $5B+ Empire: PR Stunts, Sales Techniques, Critical Early Wins, Fighting Trump, and Becoming a Real Estate Mogul (#725)

    Seth Godin — Coaching Tim on Overcoming Resistance, Lessons from Isaac Asimov, Writing Secrets After 8,500+ Daily Blog Posts, The Dangers of Authenticity, Practices for Consistency, and Much More (#728)

    Hugh Howey, Author of Silo and Wool — A Masterclass on Writing, Unorthodox Self-Publishing, and Living in The AI Age (#726)

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    #733: Live 10th Anniversary Random Show with Kevin Rose — Exploring What’s Next, Testing Ozempic, Modern Dating, New Breakthrough Treatments for Anxiety, Bitcoin ETFs, Mike Tyson vs. Jake Paul, and Engineering More Awe in Your Life

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    This week is officially the podcast’s 10-year anniversary, and there is no better way to commemorate such a wild milestone than with Kevin Rose and a little tequila. As many listeners know, Kevin was my very first guest for episode 1, way back in April 2014. Timestamps for this episode are available below.

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    [07:50] Reasons to celebrate.

    [08:30] How long can this go on?

    [10:15] Mmm…Mmm.

    [11:53] Inflection points.

    [13:00] Interesting over impulse.

    [14:46] Bitcoin ETFs.

    [17:22] PROOF news.

    [18:41] What’s Kevin’s next project?

    [21:15] Don’t DIY your TMS.

    [22:57] The SAINT protocol and accelerated TMS.

    [23:42] Kevin wonders how magnets work.

    [24:27] How accelerated TMS has helped me.

    [28:02] Consumer access to accelerated TMS.

    [31:50] How TMS feels, and other possible uses.

    [32:49] Potential downsides.

    [35:10] How to find out more about accelerated TMS.

    [38:18] How to appear human in social situations.

    [45:20] Jinjer and Sohn.

    [46:24] Android and Gemini.

    [48:41] Content production and future fame.

    [49:58] Jake Paul vs. Mike Tyson.

    [52:02] Kevin’s deflated balls.

    [55:49] My single life.

    [59:39] Extending experiential lifespan.

    [1:06:12] This is (Henry Shukman’s) The Way.

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    #732: Martha Beck — The Amazing and Brutal Results of Zero Lies for 365 Days, How to Do a Beginner “Integrity Cleanse,” Lessons from Lion Trackers, and Novel Tactics for Reducing Anxiety

    #732: Martha Beck — The Amazing and Brutal Results of Zero Lies for 365 Days, How to Do a Beginner “Integrity Cleanse,” Lessons from Lion Trackers, and Novel Tactics for Reducing Anxiety

    Dr. Martha Beck has been called “the best-known life coach in America” by NPR and USA Today. She holds three Harvard degrees in social science and has published nine non-fiction books, one novel, and more than 200 magazine articles. Her recent book, The Way of Integrity: Finding the Path to Your True Self, was an instant New York Times Best Seller.

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    #731: Dr. David Spiegel, Stanford U. — Practical Hypnosis, Meditation vs. Hypnosis, Pain Management Without Drugs, The Neurobiology of Trance, and More

    #731: Dr. David Spiegel, Stanford U. — Practical Hypnosis, Meditation vs. Hypnosis, Pain Management Without Drugs, The Neurobiology of Trance, and More

    Dr. David Spiegel is Willson Professor and Associate Chair of Psychiatry & Behavioral Sciences, Director of the Center on Stress and Health, and Medical Director of the Center for Integrative Medicine at Stanford University School of Medicine, where he has been a member of the academic faculty since 1975. He is the founder of Reveri, the world's first interactive self-hypnosis app.

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    [07:00] How Herbert Spiegel was exposed to hypnosis.

    [10:14] Using hypnosis to cure non-epileptic seizures.

    [11:53] What is a forensic psychiatrist?

    [14:43] How hypnosis works.

    [17:54] Hypnosis and the flow state.

    [21:03] How hypnosis differs from meditation.

    [22:38] Determining one’s susceptibility to hypnosis.

    [27:21] I take the eye-roll test.

    [29:33] Thoughts on EMDR.

    [36:29] Therapeutic psychedelics and ego dissolution.

    [41:05] Potential adverse effects of hypnosis?

    [42:34] Accelerated TMS improves response to hypnosis.

    [44:25] Hypnosis as a tool for stress and pain relief.

    [48:56] David treats my back pain with hypnosis.

    [57:09] Replicating this effect with self-hypnosis.

    [57:57] Understanding the science of pain relief.

    [1:03:18] Filtering the hurt from the pain.

    [1:06:37] For us, not against us.

    [1:09:12] Hypnosis vs. other addiction interventions.

    [1:11:41] A mesmerizing tale of hypnotic history.

    [1:16:10] Most surprising patient outcomes.

    [1:24:53] Finding connection to treat the agitated.

    [1:28:40] Who is Reveri designed for?

    [1:31:15] Hypnosis as a first rather than last resort.

    [1:35:02] Further resources and final thoughts.

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    #730: Reed Hastings, Co-Founder of Netflix — How to Cultivate High Performance, The Art of Farming for Dissent, Favorite Failures, and More

    #730: Reed Hastings, Co-Founder of Netflix — How to Cultivate High Performance, The Art of Farming for Dissent, Favorite Failures, and More

    Reed Hastings became executive chairman of Netflix in 2023, after 25 years as CEO. He co-founded Netflix in 1997. Reed is also a majority owner of Powder Mountain. He is currently on the board of several educational organizations including KIPP and Pahara.

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    Timestamps:

    [06:34] Alfred Lee Loomis and Tuxedo Park.

    [07:53] Risk tolerance: nature or nurture?

    [10:56] Cultivating culture that “eats strategy for lunch.”

    [15:41] The logic behind generous severance.

    [17:02] Adapting to Pure chaos.

    [18:44] Reference checking potential hires.

    [20:29] Context vs. control.

    [22:35] Radical candor.

    [24:15] Guardrails for maintaining work/life balance.

    [27:04] Farming for dissent.

    [28:39] Believing in the green crystals.

    [30:54] High-performance team, not family.

    [31:59] The keeper test.

    [32:49] Fire and replace, or replace and fire?

    [33:59] Beyond Entrepreneurship and other recommended reading/viewing.

    [37:46] A favorite failure.

    [40:32] Outstanding leaders.

    [41:10] Reed’s two “religions.”

    [42:19] Powder Mountain.

    [44:44] How Powder Mountain differs from Reed’s other projects.

    [46:24] Powder Mountain’s biggest challenges ahead.

    [47:02] Could Reed ever really retire?

    [47:19] Best investments of time, energy, or money.

    [48:49] How can we improve education in the US?

    [52:48] What class would Reed teach?

    [53:59] Juggling projects without losing focus.

    [55:04] Philanthropy: Why Africa?

    [55:32] Being “big-hearted champions who pick up the trash.”

    [56:28] Reed’s billboard.

    [58:01] Parting thoughts.

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    #729: Legendary Actor Scott Glenn — How to Be Super Fit at 85, Lessons from Marlon Brando, How to Pursue Your Purpose, The Art of Serendipity, Stories of Gunslingers, and More

    #729: Legendary Actor Scott Glenn — How to Be Super Fit at 85, Lessons from Marlon Brando, How to Pursue Your Purpose, The Art of Serendipity, Stories of Gunslingers, and More

    Scott Glenn’s acting career spans nearly 60 years. His impressive film resume includes performances in Apocalypse Now, Urban Cowboy, The Right Stuff, Silverado, The Hunt for Red October, The Silence of the Lambs, Backdraft, The Virgin Suicides, and The Bourne Ultimatum. This year, Scott will return to HBO to join season 3 of The White Lotus.

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    Timestamps:

    [07:10] Idaho vs. Los Angeles.

    [13:26] Apocalypse Now, self-confidence soon after.

    [17:26] Burt Lancaster’s movie star lessons.

    [23:06] The birth and death of Wes Hightower.

    [32:22] Catching the attention of James Bridges.

    [35:42] Scarlet fever.

    [37:29] From Marine to police reporter.

    [42:12] Berghof Studios and parental advice.

    [50:44] Converting to Judaism.

    [53:36] Lao Tzu: the ultimate mystic?

    [58:16] Letting go with Killer Joe.

    [1:02:53] “Crazy Whitefella Thinking.”

    [1:08:31] Getting out of the way and Erwan Le Corre.

    [1:11:51] Lessons from the “morally phenomenal” Marlon Brando.

    [1:16:26] How Scott’s childhood bout with scarlet fever informed his life’s course.

    [1:19:05] Daily routines and exercises of an in-shape 85-year-old.

    [1:35:12] Securing a serendipitous skill set.

    [1:42:13] Thailand talk.

    [1:46:18] Increasing surface luck.

    [1:47:04] How Scott met and fell in love with his wife.

    [1:53:04] “Just dance.”

    [1:53:46] Mistakenly calling Rudolf Nureyev Russian.

    [1:55:57] Poetry.

    [2:00:01] What Laurence Olivier knew about the value of tenacity.

    [2:01:41] Parting thoughts.

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    #728: Seth Godin — Coaching Tim on Overcoming Resistance, Lessons from Isaac Asimov, Writing Secrets After 8,500+ Daily Blog Posts, The Dangers of Authenticity, Practices for Consistency, and Much More

    #728: Seth Godin — Coaching Tim on Overcoming Resistance, Lessons from Isaac Asimov, Writing Secrets After 8,500+ Daily Blog Posts, The Dangers of Authenticity, Practices for Consistency, and Much More

    Seth Godin is the author of 21 international bestsellers that have changed the way people think about work. Seth’s books include Tribes, Purple Cow, Linchpin, The Dip, and This Is Marketing. Seth writes one of the most popular marketing blogs in the world, and two of his TED talks are among the most popular of all time. His latest book is The Song of Significance: A New Manifesto for Teams

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    Timestamps:

    [06:14] Writing a provocation rather than a prescription.

    [13:08] Divvying up concepts.

    [16:25] Comprehension over complication.

    [18:58] How Seth fulfills a blog post’s purpose.

    [22:28] Claude AI vs. ChatGPT.

    [23:41] How Seth Godin as a Service (SGaaS) maintains consistency.

    [27:23] Simplification over exaggeration.

    [31:56] Working with Isaac Asimov and getting a Clue.

    [36:53] How Seth moves life’s story forward (even when he loves the current chapter).

    [43:28] Why does Seth write?

    [44:59] Is an ounce of prevention worth a pound of sinecure?

    [45:15] Parting thoughts.

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    #727: In Case You Missed It: February 2024 Recap of "The Tim Ferriss Show"

    #727: In Case You Missed It: February 2024 Recap of "The Tim Ferriss Show"

    This episode is brought to you by 5-Bullet Friday, my very own email newsletter.

    Welcome to another episode of The Tim Ferriss Show, where it is my job to deconstruct world-class performers to tease out the routines, habits, et cetera that you can apply to your own life. 

    This is a special inbetweenisode, which serves as a recap of the episodes from last month. It features a short clip from each conversation in one place so you can easily jump around to get a feel for the episode and guest.

    Based on your feedback, this format has been tweaked and improved since the first recap episode. For instance, listeners suggested that the bios for each guest can slow the momentum, so we moved all the bios to the end. 

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    Cal Newport: 00:03:17

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    William Ury: 00:15:52

    Soman Chainani: 00:23:38

    Full episode titles:

    Cal Newport — How to Embrace Slow Productivity, Build a Deep Life, Achieve Mastery, and Defend Your Time (#722)

    Claire Hughes Johnson, Building Stripe from 160 to 6,000+ Employees — How to Take Radical Ownership of Your Life and Career (#724)

    Master Negotiator William Ury — Proven Strategies and Amazing Stories from Warren Buffett, Nelson Mandela, Kim Jong Un, Hugo Chávez, and More (#721)

    Life Lessons from Taylor Swift, Conquering Anxiety, Coaching Teens, Career Reinvention, Supposedly Gay Bulls, Your Shadow Side, and More — Soman Chainani (#720)

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