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    #721: Master Negotiator William Ury — Proven Strategies and Amazing Stories from Warren Buffett, Nelson Mandela, Kim Jong Un, Hugo Chávez, and More

    Conflict resolution can lead to swift and beneficial outcomes by reframing the situation, focusing on shared desires, and prioritizing peace over prolonged disputes.

    enFebruary 13, 2024

    About this Episode

    William Ury, cofounder of Harvard’s Program on Negotiation, is one of the world’s best-known experts on negotiation. He is coauthor of Getting to Yes, the all-time best selling negotiation book in the world, the author of one of my favorite books on negotiation (Getting Past No: Negotiating in Difficult Situations), and author of the new book: Possible: How We Survive (and Thrive) in an Age of Conflict.

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    [06:53] Connecting with Roger Fisher.

    [10:08] Devising Seminars.

    [12:31] Negotiating the Camp David Accords.

    [18:23] Writing the other side's victory speech.

    [21:17] Writing Kim Jong-un's victory speech.

    [26:20] Pondering possibilities in the modern Middle East.

    [29:26] Lessons from iconic possibilist Nelson Mandela.

    [32:17] Going to the balcony.

    [36:11] Mitigating the risk of emotional spiraling with Hugo Chávez.

    [40:50] The power of silence.

    [44:09] Respect and saving face.

    [51:08] Best alternative to a negotiated agreement (BATNA).

    [1:02:49] The trust menu.

    [1:06:29] The positive no.

    [1:12:14] Closing on a positive note.

    [1:14:56] What prompted William to write Possible?

    [1:19:38] Negotiating as a creative endeavor.

    [1:22:48] Sabbatical considerations.

    [1:23:56] Exercise and self-care routines.

    [1:29:27] Uncovering interests, not just positions.

    [1:35:18] Hopes for the impact of Possible.

    [1:37:25] Parting thoughts.

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    🔑 Key Takeaways

    • William Ury's collaborative work with Roger Fisher revolutionized negotiation strategies and had a profound effect on international peace negotiations, emphasizing the importance of practical frameworks and anthropological perspectives in conflict resolution.
    • Creativity and practicality are essential in resolving conflicts. By focusing on understanding each party's interests and concerns, common ground can be found to address complex issues.
    • Effective negotiations require creativity, iteration, and adaptation. Understanding the other side's perspective and considering external judgment can lead to successful agreements.
    • Successful negotiation involves understanding and empathizing with the other party's goals and desires, and crafting solutions that meet the needs of all involved.
    • By listening to the dreams and fears of the other side, reframing questions, and staying open-minded, transformation is possible even in the most challenging conflicts.
    • Effective conflict resolution involves detaching from the situation, making it easier for the other side to agree, and engaging the wider community for transformation. Self-mastery and the ability to influence oneself are essential for successful negotiations.
    • Taking breaks, resisting immediate reactions, and utilizing silence can enhance decision-making and communication in negotiations, leading to more favorable outcomes.
    • Embracing silence allows for thoughtful processing, negotiations with more silence lead to collaborative agreements, objective criteria prevent escalation, and showing respect influences cooperation.
    • Respecting the other person by truly listening, learning their language, and having a BATNA in mind creates a positive atmosphere, leads to productive discussions, and allows for flexibility in negotiations.
    • Having a clear understanding of your desires and considering your BATNA allows you to take control of your own life, leading to increased confidence and the ability to reach successful agreements.
    • Conflict resolution can lead to swift and beneficial outcomes by reframing the situation, focusing on shared desires, and prioritizing peace over prolonged disputes.
    • Trust is essential for efficient negotiation. Building trust through small steps can lead to productive negotiations. Saying no and selectively making decisions can be powerful negotiation strategies.
    • Saying no is not just about rejecting something, but about prioritizing what is personally meaningful to you, maintaining healthy relationships, and finding alternative solutions.
    • Delivering a strong yes alongside the no helps maintain positive relationships and respect. Always leave a door open and end the conversation with a yes, even if it's just a yes to the relationship itself.
    • By mastering self-influence, gaining perspective, and understanding others, one can effectively negotiate and resolve conflicts while also considering the larger impact and fostering creativity for optimal solutions.
    • Engaging in activities like walking and hiking can not only enhance physical fitness but also stimulate creativity and improve mental well-being.
    • Walking side by side with someone can enhance communication and conflict resolution, as it creates a unique dynamic that promotes productive conversations and allows for uncovering underlying interests for better solutions.
    • By uncovering shared interests and moving beyond rigid positions, conflicts can be transformed through curiosity, creativity, and collaboration, leading to mutually beneficial outcomes and a better world.
    • By adopting a mindset of curiosity, creativity, and collaboration, we can navigate conflicts with self-mastery. Gaining perspective, building bridges, and involving the community can lead to positive outcomes and shape the world we desire.

    📝 Podcast Summary

    William Ury's Impact on Negotiation and Peace

    William Ury's work on negotiation has had a significant impact on various domains, including international peace negotiations. His collaboration with Roger Fisher, the co-author of "Getting to Yes," led to groundbreaking research and practical applications in the field. The phone call from Roger Fisher inviting Ury to work with him on complex negotiations changed Ury's life and set him on a journey of understanding and applying negotiation strategies in real-world situations. Ury's work demonstrates the importance of applying anthropological perspectives and practical frameworks to address conflicts and achieve mutually beneficial outcomes. His contributions have not only influenced individuals like Tim Ferriss but also shaped how negotiations are conducted at the highest levels of government and diplomacy.

    Creative Solutions for Conflict Resolution

    Creativity and practicality are crucial in resolving conflicts. William Ury and Roger Fisher had a common passion to find a better way to deal with differences without resorting to destructive actions. Through their Devising Seminars, they harnessed collective intelligence to focus on practical steps that could be taken to tackle complex issues. One notable outcome was their contribution to the Camp David peace summit, where Ury and Fisher's idea of a one text process proved to be a breakthrough. Instead of asking for concessions, they focused on understanding each party's interests and concerns. This approach helped shift the conversation from drawing lines in the sand to finding solutions that addressed both Egyptian sovereignty and Israeli security. Their story highlights the importance of creative problem-solving and seeking common ground.

    The Camp David Peace Treaty: A Lesson in Effective Negotiations

    Effective negotiations require creativity and a willingness to iterate and adapt. The Camp David Peace Treaty serves as a powerful example of this. The American team proposed a demilitarized Sinai, addressing the interests of both Egypt and Israel. They then went through 23 drafts, incorporating criticism and addressing concerns until they presented the best possible option. The leaders could then make an informed decision, seeing exactly what they would gain in return. This approach allowed them to overcome seemingly impossible conflicts and reach a successful agreement. Additionally, the concept of writing the other side's victory speech helps in understanding their perspective and considering external judgment. Overall, effective negotiations involve thinking outside the box and considering the long-term implications of decisions.

    Understanding Motivations and Crafting Solutions in Negotiation

    When negotiating, it is important to understand the motivations and desires of the other party. William Ury, in his example of negotiating with Donald Trump and Kim Jong-Un, emphasizes the importance of writing out the victory speeches for both parties. By considering what victory looks like for each side and understanding their talking points, negotiators can help craft solutions that meet the needs of all involved. Ury's experience also highlights the necessity of going to great lengths to gather information and gain insights into the person you are trying to influence. This key takeaway reminds us that successful negotiation requires understanding and empathy towards the other party's goals and aspirations.

    Navigating Conflict Zones: Insights from an Experienced Negotiator

    Transformation is possible even in seemingly impossible conflicts. William Ury, an experienced negotiator, shares his insights on how to navigate conflict zones and bring about change. He emphasizes the importance of listening for the dreams and fears of the other side, as these deeper factors can provide insight and potential for progress. Ury cites the example of the meeting between Donald Trump and Kim Jong-Un, where the atmosphere changed despite no agreement being reached. He also highlights the power of a victory speech in creating a perception of progress. Ury's approach involves detaching oneself, understanding underlying interests and concerns, and reframing the question to focus on how people can live together in dignity and security. He draws inspiration from historical examples, such as Nelson Mandela's self-mastery and language study. Ultimately, the key takeaway is that by staying open-minded, exploring possibilities, and building connections, transformation can occur even in the most challenging conflicts.

    Strategies for Effective Conflict Resolution

    Effective conflict resolution requires a combination of strategies: going to the balcony, building a golden bridge, and mobilizing the community. Going to the balcony means detaching from the situation, not reacting impulsively, and gaining a broader perspective. Building a golden bridge involves making it easier for the other side to make the decisions you want them to make. Mobilizing the community means engaging the wider community to create a container within which even seemingly impossible conflicts can be transformed. It is important to remember that negotiation starts with self-mastery and the ability to influence oneself before influencing others. Pausing and taking a moment to see the bigger picture can help navigate through difficult situations. Additionally, setting rules or conditions, such as only one person getting angry at a time, and taking frequent breaks can help mitigate the risk of emotional spiraling during negotiations.

    The Power of Breaks, Silence, and Strategic Responses in Negotiations

    Taking frequent breaks during negotiations, whether in person or online, can be incredibly helpful. These breaks serve as a time to step back and gather your thoughts, allowing for better decision-making and clearer communication. William Ury suggests using these breaks to go for a walk or engage in activities that can help change your state of mind and bring out your best self during the negotiation. Additionally, it is crucial to resist immediate reactions and instead choose not to respond, taking the time to observe and understand the situation before formulating a response. This power to go to the "balcony" and not react can be a potent tool in negotiations, leading to more favorable outcomes. Furthermore, utilizing silence strategically can also contribute to successful negotiations, as it allows for reflection and creates room for the other party to consider your perspective.

    The Power of Silence, Objective Measures, and Respect in Negotiations

    Silence is a powerful tool in negotiations. In our culture, we often feel the need to fill up space and avoid moments of pause. However, if we embrace silence, it allows the other side to think and process information. Additionally, studies have shown that negotiations with more silence tend to result in mutually collaborative and cooperative agreements. Furthermore, objective measures and data can be used effectively to prevent escalation and facilitate negotiations. By focusing on objective criteria, such as market rates, both parties can work together to find a fair resolution instead of engaging in a contest of wills. Finally, expressing respect for the other side's dignity is crucial in negotiations, as it can significantly influence their decisions and willingness to cooperate.

    The Power of Respect in Negotiations

    Respect is a crucial aspect of successful negotiations. Regardless of the situation or the person you are negotiating with, showing respect can go a long way in building a connection. Respect, which comes from the Latin word meaning "to see again," involves truly seeing and hearing the other person. One of the simplest ways to show respect is by listening attentively. By listening, you not only show interest but also gain valuable information about the other person's needs and desires. Additionally, learning a little bit of their language and using basic formalities can also indicate respect. Respect is essential as it creates an atmosphere for productive discussions and can help deescalate conflicts. Finally, it is crucial to have a BATNA (Best Alternative to a Negotiated Agreement) in mind, which acts as a plan B if an agreement cannot be reached. Considering alternative options enables you to approach negotiations with confidence and flexibility.

    The Power of BATNA in Negotiations: A Case Study

    Having a BATNA (Best Alternative To a Negotiated Agreement) can significantly increase your confidence and likelihood of reaching an agreement. This was demonstrated through the case of a business partner battle involving a large company and two and a half years of intense conflict. By asking the individual involved what he truly wanted, it was revealed that his ultimate desire was freedom. Understanding his specific definition of freedom, and then asking the BATNA question, allowed him to realize that he didn't have to depend on the other side for his interests. This realization empowered him to take control of his own life, leading to a vacation with family and the pursuit of deals that brought relaxation. Ultimately, this newfound confidence and control helped facilitate a successful agreement.

    The Importance of Seeking Peace in Conflicts

    Conflicts can consume our lives if we let them. William Ury's experience with a high-stakes corporate dispute taught him the importance of stepping back and finding a peaceful resolution. He reminded the chairman involved that life is too short to be consumed by never-ending conflicts. By reframing the situation and focusing on the shared desire for freedom and dignity, Ury was able to bring both parties to the negotiation table. The result was a swift resolution that benefited everyone involved, including the company, its employees, and families. This powerful example underscores the importance of seeking win-win solutions and prioritizing peace over prolonged disputes.

    The Importance of Trust and Selective Decision-Making in Negotiation

    Trust is key in negotiation. Efficiency in negotiation is greatly enhanced by trust. Warren Buffett and his partner, Charlie Munger, had a successful negotiation because they trusted each other completely. When discussing the terms of a deal, Buffett left it to Munger to propose the terms, knowing that they would be fair. This high level of trust allowed them to close a $500 million deal in just 30 seconds. However, not all negotiations start with trust. In such cases, a trust menu can be constructed, which consists of small steps or signals that each side can take to gradually rebuild trust. These prearranged actions demonstrate respect and build confidence in each other, eventually leading to a productive negotiation. Saying no is also an important aspect of negotiation, and Warren Buffett's approach of rejecting numerous proposals until finding the right one highlights the power of selective decision-making.

    The Power of Saying No: A "Positive No" Approach

    Saying no can be an important and valuable skill in both personal and professional settings. William Ury explains that saying no is not about simply rejecting something, but rather about saying yes to something deeper and more important to you. He suggests using a "positive no" approach, which starts with a yes to what is personally meaningful to you, followed by a calm and firm no, and ends with a yes on the other side. This approach helps others understand and accept your no without taking it personally, while also offering an alternative solution or maintaining a positive relationship. By mastering the art of saying no, you can prioritize your own goals and commitments while still maintaining healthy relationships.

    Prioritizing Respect and Relationships in Conflict Resolution

    When dealing with conflicts and saying no, it is important to prioritize respect and relationships. William Ury emphasizes the significance of delivering a strong yes alongside the no, so that the no is not taken personally. For example, instead of simply saying no to a coworker who asks for help, you can express your inability to assist due to other priorities, but suggest someone else who might be able to help. This approach maintains a positive and affirming relationship, showing respect and consideration. The key is to always leave a door open and end the conversation with a yes, even if it's just a yes to the relationship itself. Going to the balcony and taking a broader perspective is also crucial when navigating conflicts.

    The Power of Self-Influence in Negotiation

    Negotiation is an inside job and it starts with self-mastery. To effectively influence others, whether in negotiation or conflict, it is important to first influence oneself. This involves going to the balcony, stepping back to gain perspective, and building a golden bridge that makes it easy for the other side to do what you want by listening, being creative, and understanding their wants and fears. Additionally, recognizing the presence of a third side, the surrounding community or stakeholders, can be a powerful tool. By taking the third side and considering the larger impact of the negotiation or conflict, one can harness greater influence. Ultimately, the path to success lies in influencing oneself, influencing the other, and influencing the whole. In negotiation, creativity plays a crucial role in finding options that maximize gains for all parties involved. The ability to separate the cognitive process of inventing from evaluating allows for more innovative and fruitful brainstorming sessions. By tapping into our innate potential for creativity and focusing on generating ideas before critiquing them, one can discover solutions that may have been initially overlooked. This approach can be applied to various areas of life, not just negotiation. For example, in a negotiation scenario where the goal is to achieve freedom and dignity, eliminating numbers and focusing on the concept itself can lead to a mutually beneficial outcome. Similarly, by avoiding indicators that reveal who "won" (such as stock discounts), analysts are unable to determine the outcome, maintaining a sense of balance and harmony.

    The Connection Between Creativity and Physical Activity

    Creativity and physical activity go hand in hand for William Ury, an expert in negotiation and conflict resolution. He believes that walking and hiking are essential for maintaining physical fitness and also for enhancing creativity. Ury takes walks daily and finds that being in nature and experiencing beauty helps to calm his mind, lower stress levels, and spark new ideas. He even ideates and records his thoughts while walking. For him, walking is not just a physical exercise but also a spiritual practice. Additionally, Ury incorporates other activities like weightlifting, yoga, and stretching to complement his walking routine. Overall, Ury's key takeaway is that walking and engaging with nature can have profound benefits for both physical and mental well-being.

    The Power of Walking in Communication and Negotiation

    Walking can facilitate effective communication and conflict resolution. When we walk side by side with someone, we are more likely to have productive conversations and work towards a common goal. This is because walking creates a different dynamic compared to sitting face-to-face across a table. Negotiators often take walks in the woods to achieve breakthroughs in challenging negotiations. Furthermore, walking played a crucial role in human evolution, allowing our brains to expand and making us more human. Additionally, a key skill in negotiation, as well as in life, is uncovering underlying interests. People may ask for one thing, but what they truly want or need could be completely different. By digging deeper and understanding these hidden interests, we can find creative solutions that satisfy everyone involved.

    Unearthing Interests: The Key to Resolving Conflicts

    It is essential to dig behind positions and uncover the underlying interests in conflicts. Often, we focus solely on our positions and fail to understand our interests, causing us to miss opportunities to advance our own interests and find common ground with others. This is especially true in long-standing conflicts where the initial interests may have been replaced by rigid positions over time. By looking beyond the surface level and identifying shared interests, we can work towards mutually beneficial solutions. William Ury's story of the two sisters arguing over an orange demonstrates that by understanding their shared interests in cooking and eating, they could have both achieved a more favorable outcome. The key is to harness our human potential for curiosity, creativity, and collaboration to transform conflicts and create a better world.

    Embracing Possibility and Human Potential in Conflict

    Embracing a mindset of possibility and fostering belief in human potential can greatly transform our approach to conflict. By being curious, creative, and collaborative, we can navigate difficult conflicts with self-mastery and stoic philosophy. The key lies in going to the "balcony," gaining perspective, and then building a "Golden Bridge" that works for both sides. Additionally, engaging the larger community as the "third side" can bring about beneficial outcomes for all. These three elements are our innate superpowers as humans, and if we awaken them, we have the power to shape the world we desire for ourselves and our loved ones. So, let us apply this possible mindset to our conflicts and cultivate a world of understanding, harmony, and kindness.

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    [42:19] Powder Mountain.

    [44:44] How Powder Mountain differs from Reed’s other projects.

    [46:24] Powder Mountain’s biggest challenges ahead.

    [47:02] Could Reed ever really retire?

    [47:19] Best investments of time, energy, or money.

    [48:49] How can we improve education in the US?

    [52:48] What class would Reed teach?

    [53:59] Juggling projects without losing focus.

    [55:04] Philanthropy: Why Africa?

    [55:32] Being “big-hearted champions who pick up the trash.”

    [56:28] Reed’s billboard.

    [58:01] Parting thoughts.

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    #729: Legendary Actor Scott Glenn — How to Be Super Fit at 85, Lessons from Marlon Brando, How to Pursue Your Purpose, The Art of Serendipity, Stories of Gunslingers, and More

    #729: Legendary Actor Scott Glenn — How to Be Super Fit at 85, Lessons from Marlon Brando, How to Pursue Your Purpose, The Art of Serendipity, Stories of Gunslingers, and More

    Scott Glenn’s acting career spans nearly 60 years. His impressive film resume includes performances in Apocalypse Now, Urban Cowboy, The Right Stuff, Silverado, The Hunt for Red October, The Silence of the Lambs, Backdraft, The Virgin Suicides, and The Bourne Ultimatum. This year, Scott will return to HBO to join season 3 of The White Lotus.

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    [07:10] Idaho vs. Los Angeles.

    [13:26] Apocalypse Now, self-confidence soon after.

    [17:26] Burt Lancaster’s movie star lessons.

    [23:06] The birth and death of Wes Hightower.

    [32:22] Catching the attention of James Bridges.

    [35:42] Scarlet fever.

    [37:29] From Marine to police reporter.

    [42:12] Berghof Studios and parental advice.

    [50:44] Converting to Judaism.

    [53:36] Lao Tzu: the ultimate mystic?

    [58:16] Letting go with Killer Joe.

    [1:02:53] “Crazy Whitefella Thinking.”

    [1:08:31] Getting out of the way and Erwan Le Corre.

    [1:11:51] Lessons from the “morally phenomenal” Marlon Brando.

    [1:16:26] How Scott’s childhood bout with scarlet fever informed his life’s course.

    [1:19:05] Daily routines and exercises of an in-shape 85-year-old.

    [1:35:12] Securing a serendipitous skill set.

    [1:42:13] Thailand talk.

    [1:46:18] Increasing surface luck.

    [1:47:04] How Scott met and fell in love with his wife.

    [1:53:04] “Just dance.”

    [1:53:46] Mistakenly calling Rudolf Nureyev Russian.

    [1:55:57] Poetry.

    [2:00:01] What Laurence Olivier knew about the value of tenacity.

    [2:01:41] Parting thoughts.

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    #728: Seth Godin — Coaching Tim on Overcoming Resistance, Lessons from Isaac Asimov, Writing Secrets After 8,500+ Daily Blog Posts, The Dangers of Authenticity, Practices for Consistency, and Much More

    #728: Seth Godin — Coaching Tim on Overcoming Resistance, Lessons from Isaac Asimov, Writing Secrets After 8,500+ Daily Blog Posts, The Dangers of Authenticity, Practices for Consistency, and Much More

    Seth Godin is the author of 21 international bestsellers that have changed the way people think about work. Seth’s books include Tribes, Purple Cow, Linchpin, The Dip, and This Is Marketing. Seth writes one of the most popular marketing blogs in the world, and two of his TED talks are among the most popular of all time. His latest book is The Song of Significance: A New Manifesto for Teams

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    Timestamps:

    [06:14] Writing a provocation rather than a prescription.

    [13:08] Divvying up concepts.

    [16:25] Comprehension over complication.

    [18:58] How Seth fulfills a blog post’s purpose.

    [22:28] Claude AI vs. ChatGPT.

    [23:41] How Seth Godin as a Service (SGaaS) maintains consistency.

    [27:23] Simplification over exaggeration.

    [31:56] Working with Isaac Asimov and getting a Clue.

    [36:53] How Seth moves life’s story forward (even when he loves the current chapter).

    [43:28] Why does Seth write?

    [44:59] Is an ounce of prevention worth a pound of sinecure?

    [45:15] Parting thoughts.

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    #727: In Case You Missed It: February 2024 Recap of "The Tim Ferriss Show"

    #727: In Case You Missed It: February 2024 Recap of "The Tim Ferriss Show"

    This episode is brought to you by 5-Bullet Friday, my very own email newsletter.

    Welcome to another episode of The Tim Ferriss Show, where it is my job to deconstruct world-class performers to tease out the routines, habits, et cetera that you can apply to your own life. 

    This is a special inbetweenisode, which serves as a recap of the episodes from last month. It features a short clip from each conversation in one place so you can easily jump around to get a feel for the episode and guest.

    Based on your feedback, this format has been tweaked and improved since the first recap episode. For instance, listeners suggested that the bios for each guest can slow the momentum, so we moved all the bios to the end. 

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    Cal Newport: 00:03:17

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    Soman Chainani: 00:23:38

    Full episode titles:

    Cal Newport — How to Embrace Slow Productivity, Build a Deep Life, Achieve Mastery, and Defend Your Time (#722)

    Claire Hughes Johnson, Building Stripe from 160 to 6,000+ Employees — How to Take Radical Ownership of Your Life and Career (#724)

    Master Negotiator William Ury — Proven Strategies and Amazing Stories from Warren Buffett, Nelson Mandela, Kim Jong Un, Hugo Chávez, and More (#721)

    Life Lessons from Taylor Swift, Conquering Anxiety, Coaching Teens, Career Reinvention, Supposedly Gay Bulls, Your Shadow Side, and More — Soman Chainani (#720)

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    #726: Hugh Howey, Author of Silo and Wool — A Masterclass on Writing, Unorthodox Self-Publishing, and Living in The AI Age

    #726: Hugh Howey, Author of Silo and Wool — A Masterclass on Writing, Unorthodox Self-Publishing, and Living in The AI Age

    Hugh Howey is the New York Times bestselling author of Wool, Beacon 23, Sand, Machine Learning, Half Way Home, and more than a dozen other novels. His Silo trilogy was recently adapted by Apple TV, becoming their #1 drama of all time. Please enjoy!

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    Timestamps:

    [06:48] Breaking the formula with a literary sleight of hand.

    [11:00] A commitment to 10 years of obscurity.

    [15:02] Buying back rights and self-publishing.

    [22:04] Why authors should strive for a reader-first vs. publisher-first mindset.

    [24:22] Hitting the NYT Best Sellers List with a self-pub book.

    [27:44] Pricing logic.

    [31:00] The undersold value of worldwide rights.

    [33:57] How authors can find deal leverage early on.

    [37:07] Establishing a daily writing habit.

    [41:34] Fiction that inspires better writing.

    [45:27] Collaboration vs. writing solo.

    [46:59] Ways the publishing industry protects the status quo.

    [49:55] Why Hugh makes publishing deals at all.

    [50:45] Self-promotion as therapy.

    [53:05] Keys to fruitful collaboration.

    [55:47] Common mistakes creatives make.

    [1:01:03] AI’s present-and-future impact on publishing.

    [1:06:05] AI-generated occupational and existential crises.

    [01:10:11] Mid-term optimist, long-term pessimist

    [01:14:57] Procreation in uncertain times.

    [01:19:07] The future of religion.

    [01:26:21] Free will and objective moral truth.

    [01:31:02] Parting thoughts.

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    #725: Barbara Corcoran — How She Turned $1,000 into a $5B+ Empire: PR Stunts, Sales Techniques, Critical Early Wins, Fighting Trump, and Becoming a Real Estate Mogul

    #725: Barbara Corcoran — How She Turned $1,000 into a $5B+ Empire: PR Stunts, Sales Techniques, Critical Early Wins, Fighting Trump, and Becoming a Real Estate Mogul

    Barbara Corcoran has been an investor/Shark for the past 15 seasons on ABC’s four-time Emmy-award-winning show, Shark Tank. She is also the founder of an eponymous real-estate company, which she started with a $1,000 loan after leaving her job as a waitress in New York City. Over the next 25 years, she would parlay that $1,000 into a $5 billion real-estate business. Barbara is the host of the top business channel on Patreon, Barbara in Your Pocket, which provides exclusive content created for entrepreneurs at every level.

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    Timestamps:

    [05:56] Barbara’s fake funeral.

    [08:23] Where Barbara’s knack for PR originated.

    [10:02] Storytelling.

    [11:25] Early business wins.

    [14:29] What Barbara learned about competition as one of 10 kids.

    [17:27] Early jobs: Barbara’s real education.

    [20:04] Dyslexia and dodging the victim mindset.

    [22:50] Barbara’s first company.

    [26:47] Why Barbara didn’t begrudge her first business partner’s romantic betrayal.

    [28:41] The value of enthusiasm.

    [29:44] From almost-evicted to exclusive agent.

    [33:29] Early recruitment gimmicks.

    [35:36] Being the only woman in the room.

    [39:14] Rules and systems.

    [41:46] Experiments, innovations, and mistakes.

    [44:17] Homes on Tape and puppy sales.

    [49:06] Esther Kaplan’s persuasive purse.

    [51:23] Sales 101 with Barbara.

    [57:37] How Barbara stays active.

    [59:37] Butting heads with Donald Trump.

    [1:05:21] Picking battles.

    [1:08:00] How Barbara fell in love with trailer park life.

    [1:14:14] Why Barbara only hires happy people now.

    [1:15:36] Barbara In Your Pocket.

    [1:17:47] What gives Barbara the most energy these days?

    [1:18:51] Barbara’s billboard.

    [1:19:58] Parting thoughts and proposals.

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    #724: Claire Hughes Johnson — How to Take Responsibility for Your Life, Create Rules That Work, Stop Being a Victim, Set Strong Boundaries, and More

    #724:  Claire Hughes Johnson — How to Take Responsibility for Your Life, Create Rules That Work, Stop Being a Victim, Set Strong Boundaries, and More

    Claire Hughes Johnson currently serves as a corporate officer and advisor for Stripe, a global technology company that builds economic infrastructure for the Internet. Claire previously served as Stripe’s chief operating officer from 2014 to 2021, helping grow the company from fewer than 200 employees to more than 6,000. Her book is Scaling People: Tactics for Management and Company Building.

    Please enjoy!

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    Timestamps:

    [07:51] Say the thing you think you cannot say.

    [13:24] Detoxifying your left-hand column.

    [19:59] Victim versus player.

    [29:49] Recommended reading.

    [36:53] The case for reading fiction.

    [44:18] Crafting a working-with-me document.

    [52:07] Make the implicit explicit.

    [57:29] An Irish Goodbye.

    [58:34] Email policies.

    [1:03:58] Renegotiating the terms of expectations.

    [01:06:05] Listening for the quiet no.

    [01:08:27] Money versus time.

    [01:10:14] Good rules can be liberating.

    [01:12:59] Leadership and disappointment.

    [01:17:59] Renegotiating past disappointment.

    [01:37:05] Asking a question versus stating an opinion.

    [01:40:58] Training wheels for a “no.”

    [01:42:26] Time, talent, treasure, and testimony.

    [01:46:37] Spotting bad apples while hiring.

    [01:48:37] If you’re not self-aware, how would you know?

    [01:51:08] Work style assessments for self-awareness building.

    [01:58:38] Paragons of no.

    [02:00:51] No more boards.

    [02:04:58] Pushers and pullers.

    [02:11:50] Parting thoughts.

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    #723: In Case You Missed It: January 2024 Recap of "The Tim Ferriss Show"

    #723: In Case You Missed It: January 2024 Recap of "The Tim Ferriss Show"

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    Welcome to another episode of The Tim Ferriss Show, where it is my job to deconstruct world-class performers to tease out the routines, habits, et cetera that you can apply to your own life. 

    This is a special inbetweenisode, which serves as a recap of the episodes from last month. It features a short clip from each conversation in one place so you can easily jump around to get a feel for the episode and guest.

    Based on your feedback, this format has been tweaked and improved since the first recap episode. For instance, @hypersundays on Twitter suggested that the bios for each guest can slow the momentum, so we moved all the bios to the end. 

    See it as a teaser. Something to whet your appetite. If you like what you hear, you can of course find the full episodes at tim.blog/podcast

    Please enjoy! 

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    Timestamps:

    Greg McKeown: 00:03:13

    Dr. Nolan Williams: 00:14:58

    Noah Kagan: 00:21:11:17

    Dr. Andy Galpin: 00:25:58:29

    Chris Beresford-Hill: 00:30:38

    Full episode titles:

    Walk & Talk with Greg McKeown — How to Find Your Purpose and Master Essentialism in 2024 (#719)

    Noah Kagan — How to Launch a Million-Dollar Business This Weekend (#717)

    Performance Coach Andy Galpin — Rebooting Tim’s Sleep, Nutrition, Supplements, and Training for 2024 (#716)

    Chris Beresford-Hill — A Master Ad Man on Superbowl Confessions, How to Come Up With Great Ideas, Cold Emailing Mark Cuban, Doing Naughty Things, Poetic Mind Control, Creative Process and Insider Tips, How to Negotiate with Bosses and Clients, and The Power of a Stolen Snickers (#715)

    A Glimpse of the Future: Electroceuticals for 70%–90% Remission of Depression, Brain Stimulation for Sports Performance, and De-risking Ibogaine for TBI/PTSD (#714)

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