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    Is Green Growth Possible?

    Is Green Growth Possible?

    A decade ago, I was feeling pretty pessimistic about climate change. The politics of mitigating global warming just seemed impossible: asking people to make sacrifices, or countries to slow their development, and delay dreams of better, more prosperous lives.

    But the world today looks different. The costs of solar and wind power have plummeted. Same for electric batteries. And a new politics is starting to take hold: that maybe we can invest and invent and build our way out of this crisis. But some very hard problems remain. Chief among them? Cows.

    Hannah Ritchie is the deputy editor and lead researcher at Our World in Data and the author of “Not the End of the World: How We Can Be the First Generation to Build a Sustainable Planet.” She’s pored over the data on this question and has come away more optimistic than many. “It’s just not true that we’ve had these solutions just sitting there ready to build for decades and decades, and we just haven’t done anything,” she told me. “We’re in a fundamentally different position going forward.”

    In this conversation, we discuss whether sustainability without sacrifice is truly possible. How much progress have we made so far? What gives her the most hope? And what are the biggest obstacles?

    Mentioned:

    What was the death toll from Chernobyl and Fukushima?” by Hannah Ritchie

    Reducing food’s environmental impacts through producers and consumers” by Joseph Poore and Thomas Nemecek

    Future demand for electricity generation materials under different climate mitigation scenarios” by Seaver Wang, Zeke Hausfather et al.

    Book Recommendations:

    Factfulness by Hans Rosling

    Possible by Chris Goodall

    Range by David Epstein

    Thoughts? Guest suggestions? Email us at ezrakleinshow@nytimes.com.

    You can find transcripts (posted midday) and more episodes of “The Ezra Klein Show” at nytimes.com/ezra-klein-podcast. Book recommendations from all our guests are listed at https://www.nytimes.com/article/ezra-klein-show-book-recs.

    This episode of “The Ezra Klein Show” was produced by Rollin Hu. Fact-checking by Michelle Harris, with Mary Marge Locker and Kate Sinclair. Our senior engineer is Jeff Geld, with additional mixing by Isaac Jones. Our senior editor is Claire Gordon. The show’s production team also includes Annie Galvin, Kristin Lin and Aman Sahota. Original music by Isaac Jones. Audience strategy by Kristina Samulewski and Shannon Busta. The executive producer of New York Times Opinion Audio is Annie-Rose Strasser. Special thanks to Sonia Herrero.

    Israel Widens Gaza Offensive; Spotify Cuts Jobs; Bitcoin Hits $41,000

    Israel Widens Gaza Offensive; Spotify Cuts Jobs; Bitcoin Hits $41,000

    On today's podcast:

    1) Israel’s military is expanding its operations across the Gaza Strip, with the expectation of a ground invasion of southern Gaza looming and warnings to many of the territory’s 2.2 million residents to evacuate again.

    2) Spotify shares rise after the company said it will reduce headcount by about 17%. It's at least the third time this year the streaming service has cut jobs.

    3) Bitcoin tops $41,000 as the largest digital asset extends a 2023 rebound on expectations of interest-rate cuts and the prospect of greater demand from the exchange-traded funds sector.     

    FULL TRANSCRIPT:     

    Good morning. I'm Nathan Hager and I'm Karen Moscow. Here are the stories we're following today. We bring you the latest developments out of the Middle East. A US Navy ship has responded to a flurry of drone and missile strikes against commercial ships in the Red Sea. At the same time, Israel's military is expanding its operations now across the Gaza Strip. We get the latest from Bloomberg News Israel Bureau chief Ethan Brauner in Tel Aviv. We're expecting a ground operation this week. I imagine in han yunis As, the main city in the south there, that they believe this is after all, where yaj Sinoar, the head of Hamas, where he's from, and they think that both he and Muhammad, they've the military chief of Hamas, are underground in tunnels there. So they have started asking people who have either or living there or who've moved there from the north to move yet again, causing a lot of displacement and concern and fear. And I think it is going to be a difficult week. Bloomberg's Ethan Broner says Israel has struck about two hundred targets, including weapons storage facilities and a school in northern Gaza, where it says Hamas was operating. Meanwhile, Nathan Defense Secretary Lloyd Austin is sending a warning to Israel about using too much for sun civilian populations in Gaza. We get that part of the story from Bloomberg's Ed Baxter. The caution comes as Israeli soldiers move with great force to the south. Secretary Austin is urging extreme caution. If you drive them into the arms of the enemy, you replace a technical victory with a strategic defeat. So I have repeatedly made clear to Israel's leaders that protecting Palestin and civilians in Gaza is both a moral responsibility and a strategic imperative. Austin has drawn criticism from Republican Senator Lindsey Graham, who calls him naive, saying strategic failure is letting Hamas stand. Ed Baxter Bloomberg Radio, Okay, and thank you. The administrations ramping up pressure on Congress over aid to Ukraine. White House Budget Director SHLANDA. Young says the US will run out of funds to assist Ukraine by the end of this year unless Congress acts Republican Senator James Lankford says he thinks the deal can get done by then with the funds tied to border security. We're going to do this all together. That's been the agreement that again from the White House originally and asked for all these things to be together. We have agreed to do all these things to be able together. We can get this done by the end of the year. Senator Lankford was on ABC's This Week, which you can hear every Sunday on Bloomberg Radio. The White House is seeking more than sixty one billion dollars in Ukraine eight as part of one hundred and five billion dollar emergency package that also includes funds for Israel, Pacific allies and border security. Well, we turned to Wall Street Now Nathan An optimism over FED rate cuts next year has several markets on the move. This morning we had the latest of the Bloomberg's John Tucker, John and Karen Traders are still digesting FED share Jerome Palell's comments on Friday. This is part of what he had to say. We are prepared to Titan policy further if it becomes appropriate to do so. Well. Powell also said monetary policies well into restrictive territory, and in the selective hearing of investors, that's the narrative. Wall Street latched onto the S and B five hundred continued It's March higher. Friday, treasure yields tumbled, and as we start the new trading week, gold earlier shot past a previous all time high, Bitcoin back above the forty one thousand level to the Hygha sins April of twenty twenty two. The everything rally will need some data to back it up. The latest reading on job openings or jolts. That's due tomorrow, and the jobs report is out on Friday. I'm John Tucker, Bloomberg Radio. All right, John, Thanks. You've also got deals to start the week, including one in the air. Alaska air Group has agreed to buy rival Hawaiian Airlines. More on that from Bloomberg's Doug Grisner. Alaska will pay roughly a billion dollars for shares in Hawaiian holdings and take on about nine hundred million dollars in Hawaiian debt. Hawaiian has been hurt by the slow return of tours in between Asia and Hawaii after the pandemic. The carrier has also struggled as Southwest Airlines ramped up in the Hawaii to US market. Alaska Air's proposal may be tested. The Biden administration stance on mergers has already thwarted one airline deal, Jet Blue Airways cash takeover of Spirit Airlines. That lawsuit is nearing a close in New York. I'm Doug Prisner, Bloomberg Radio. Okay, Doug, thanks, and shares of Alaska air Group are down more than nine percent in early trading, and we have a deal this morning. In the drug industry, Nathan Roach Holding has agreed to pay as much as three point one billion dollars for Karmath Therapeutics. The company is developing a new type of weight loss treatment that sparked a pharma industry gold rush. Karmot's drugs are still in early stages of development, but the deal could lead to a competitor to the likes of a Govi and Eli. Llloy's zepp Bound analysts estimate the weight loss market could reach one hundred billion dollars by the end of the decade. Shares of Roach You're up more than two percent overseas, and shares of Spotify are up more than two percent as well. In Earth Trading, Karen that company is cutting headcount by about seventeen percent. The job cuts will effect about fifteen hundred people. It is at least the third time this year Spotify has reduced headcount. Spotify is on pace to add more than one hundred million users this year, It's biggest year yet. The company also reported a rare profit last quarter. Now, Nathan, let's get an update from the COMP twenty eight climate summit in Dubai. Bill Gates was once the world's richest man, and now he's devoted a large chunk of his fortune to fighting climate change. We asked the Microsoft co founder if he thinks the world can meet the global warming targets from the twenty fifteen Paris Agreement. No, we won't hit hit the aspirational targets. Well, you can do the math on one point five and even two point zero. Isn't that likely? And still Bill Gay says he's still optimistic the world can avoid becoming three degrees celsius warmer than the pre industrial era. And you can hear more of our conversation with Bill Gates coming up shortly on the program Time Now for a look at some of the other stories making news around the world. For that, we're joined by Bloomberg's Amy Moore is seeing good morning, Good morning, Kiera. The US Supreme Court will your arguments today in the bankruptcy deal for oxyconton maker Purdue Pharma. ABC News spoke to attorney at Niger, an attorney for some of the plaintiffs who helped negotiate that settlement. In a way, this case is about deterrens. It's about holding corporate leaders and owners accountable for their business decisions. The six billion dollar deal gives Purdue Pharma's owners the Sackler Family immunity, protecting them from lawsuits. A leading national health expert says the US should experience a more typical flu and virus season this winter. We're probably looking at a more typical winter pathogen season what we've seen in past years. Speaking on CBS's Face the Nation, former FDA Commissioners doctor Scott Gottlieb says the level of RSV and flu cases is abating, but he is still encouraging everyone to get vaccinated. The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention says about a third of Americans or not getting enough sleep nurse Susan Harris, a sleep expert, says sleep controls everything in our lives, and without it, we struggle. It's essentially another pandemic that we are experiencing. She says sleep is the most underestimated and underutilized health aight in modern society. US Air Forces divers have discovered wreckage and remains of crew members from a US Air Force Osprey aircraft that crashed last week off southwestern Japan. Sources say five bodies in the bulk of the wreckage were located underwater. The Osprey plunged into the sea off the island of Yakashima on Wednesday. Eight people were on board. The latest class of Kennedy Center Honorees were inducted last night, including comedian Billy Crystal, soprano Renee Fleming, singer, songwriter, producer and member of the Begs Berry Gibb rapper, singer and actress Queen Latifah, and singer Dion Warwick. President Biden says the performing arts reflect who we are as Americans and as human beings. That's especially true for more than two hundred Kennedy Center honorees over the past forty six years have helped shape how we see ourselves, how we see each other, and how we see our world. The gala event took place last night, hosted by previous honor Ey Gloria Stefan. The show will air on Wednesday, December twenty seventh on CBS Global News twenty four hours a day and whenever you want it with Bloomberg News Now. I'm Amy Morris and this is Bloomberg Karen. All right, Amy, thank you what we do bring you news throughout the day. As Amy said right here on Bloomberg Radio, but also, as she said, you can get the latest news on demand whenever you want it. So the question is how do you do it? While you subscribe to Bloomberg News Now, and then you can get the latest headlines right at the click of a button. Get informed on your schedule. You can listen and subscribe to Bloomberg News Now on the Bloomberg Business app, Bloomberg dot com, plus Apple, Spotify, and pretty much anywhere else you get your podcasts. So it's time now for the Bloomberg Sports Update. For that, we bring in John stash out gun Karen. Before the NFL kicked off controversy in college football the last year that the playoff is only four teams. Next year it's going to twelve, so the last time this is likely to happen, a team goes undefeated in a Power five conference and doesn't get invited. It happened to Florida State, who went thirteen to zero in the ACC also beat two SEC teams LSU and Florida. A week ago, the Semino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onal community that it is doing what it can to limit civilian casualties. Yeah, yeah, I mean I think you certainly will get that. You got it from just now from the IDEFA spokesman's coming out and again emphasizing the civilian side of it. But again we heard from the chief of staff from the Israeli Defense Forces over the weekend and we were asked. They were being asked basically, what does this thing in the south look like? What does this operation look like? And they would say it will be as thorough in the south at as it has been in the north. And again everyone is going to be paying attention to the casualty numbers, the figure of dead. We understand that that figure is now at fifteen thousand, five hundred people that have been killed in Gaza since the beginning of this war. Eighty percent of the two point two million people have been displaced. I mean, these are just huge figures. The Israeli say that five thousand are Hamas fighters that are now dead. And again, now the operation is going through the tunnels and dealing with all of these things. But again we are on day fifty nine of this day sixty is coming up tomorrow, and there's not really an end in sight, and in the meantime, we mentioned that the US has been responding to attempted attacks and in some cases I guess successful attacks as well. On commercial shipping in the Red Sea, I mean, there are two potential questions there. What is the risk that this escalates into a wider war and what's the risk to shipping to supply lines globally. It's something that really the market is also very intensely, you know, focused on with all of these sort of spillover effects. And as we know, the United States has been intercepting missiles over the Red Sea over the last few weeks, coming from Yemen all the way up the Red Seas is a huge distance across, and is it a top priority to mitigate all that the Saudis that are on the border with Yemen, you know, some we understand that they've been firing into their airspace and all of these are sort of the potential conflict points. However, again we see all of the same risks we've seen for the last few weeks and months, which is Hezbollah in the north of Israel. Again, there's still some attacks there, but nothing that really stands out as a dramatic escalation. But these are all the things that the market certainly will be playing close attention to. In the United States has its significant naval fleet out there to deter exactly this kind of behavior. Absolutely, And as you mentioned, this week will mark two months since the October verse seventh attack. This Thursday will be that two month mark. Raises the question about how much longer this conflict can go on and whether Israel needs to spell out more clearly what its objectives are, what dismantling and destroying Hamas will mean. This is exactly the point, what does that mean. We know that the aim is to dismantle Hamas. The question is again with an insidiousness of an ideology which is not just composed of a very sort of neat selection of human beings that once they're gone, it's gone. This is the problem and this is the problem that the Israelis have and this is where again the support of the international community will be tested as this war continues to rumble on. And the other issue you have is obviously you have the situation in Gaza, but when you look at the West Bank, they after the cease fire, where you had the hostages released and you have a many Palestinian prisoners released. You saw a lot of Hamas flags running in the West Bank because they're seeing this. Hamas to a degree is standing up for the Palestinian cause. It is bringing results, it is bringing people back home. And again this only complicates this matter, which again it's very hard to be very optimistic about this, but there needs to be some kind of political or diplomatic breakthrough for there to be a durable solution to this conflict that has plagued the reason for many, many, many decades. All right, Bloomberg's Oliver Crook joining us this morning, who's been part of our team covering this conflict between Israel and Hamas since the October seventh attack. And Oliver with us this morning. Thanks again for being with us. And now we want to bring you our conversation with Bill Gates, the co founder of Microsoft, who is one of the many dignitaries at the COP twenty eight climate summit in Dubai. Gates says the world probably will not meet the goal from the twenty fifteen Paris Agreement of limiting the rising global temperatures to one and a half degrees celsius, but that doesn't mean he isn't optimistic about the fight against climate change. Bill Gates praised the COP Summit for making progress on tackling global warming despite geopolitical tensions. Gates spoke with Bloomberg's Farancy Laquai from Dubai discussing COP twenty eight, the warming Planet, and how he measures success against climate change. Let's go to part of that discussion. Climate change. Overall, it's a challenge to the world. Hydrocarbons have been very cheap. Our economy is built around in coal, gas oil, and so we have to make this change. The progression of inventing new approaches, green approaches, and then implementing them and over time scaling them and getting them so cheap what I call zero green premium. You first have to have risk capital. Then you have to have bigger amounts capital, eventually, as they say, trillions of dollars to get every country to replace it's steel plants at cement plants and so depending on the emissions area. Some of these things like steel and cement were at the very early stage. Some like electric cars, at least at the high end the green premium you could says zero, not for for low cost cars where you park on the street. But you so all these things and the faster we go, the less temperature increase. We'll see. But do you think we're going fast enough to actually hit the targets that were set out in the Paris Agreement? No, we won't hit hit no to aspirational targets. Well, you can do the math on one point five and even two point zero. Isn't that likely? Now? Fortunately, if you stay below three, a lot of the ill effects that people have heard about don't happen unless you really are irresponsible and let it get up to the higher range. Where do you see the role of fossil fuels going forward, Well, we have to outcompete fossil fuels. Now. To do that properly, they you know, they shouldn't get subsidies, and in fact a carbon tax over time should be put on so that the new you know, say the electric car or the plane that use hydrogen, the fact it doesn't emit carbon, you're helping it get adoption. Those companies have skills, you know, if you want to sequester carbon or you know nuclear wayt or there's a lot of skills if you want to make biofuels. You know, some of those companies will take the capital and skills they have you know, so I wouldn't you know, say okay, I wish they weren't there. You know, people still, you know, there's no country that can say, okay, we have zero emissions. Uh. You know, people want to drive to work. You know. In fact, the excess supply when Russia cut off its supply in the world was sort of glad that was available. And so yes, oil and gas needs to be out competed, and those companies need to join the effort. I know you look at a lot of technologies and a lot of innovation, but is there one thing that you've been most excited about. If we can get either nuclear fission or fusion to be safe and broadly accepted and very economic because it's not whether dependent, it would be very complementary to the large amount of solar and wind that we're putting into our electric system. And so I'm biased. I'm a huge investor in both fission and fusion and hoping that it comes in time. This is Bloomberg Daybreak Today. Hey, your morning brief on the stories making news from Wall Street to Washington and beyond. Look for us on your podcast feed at six am Eastern each morning on Apple, Spotify, and anywhere else you get your podcasts. You can also listen live each morning starting at five am Wall Street Time on Bloomberg eleven three to zero in New York, Bloomberg ninety nine to one in Washington, Bloomberg one oh six to one in Boston, and Bloomberg ninety sixty in San Francisco. Our flagship New York station is also available on your Amazon Alexa devices. Just say Alexa Play Bloomberg eleven thirty plus. Listen coast to coast on the Bloomberg Business app, seriusxmb iHeartRadio app, and on Bloomberg dot Com. I'm Nathan Hager and I'm Karen Moscow. Join us again tomorrow morning for all the news you need to start your day right here on Bloomberg Daybreak

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    Money Talks: Touring America’s industrial revival

    Money Talks: Touring America’s industrial revival

    President Joe Biden’s Inflation Reduction Act promised $370bn for green infrastructure and industry. It has spurred a surge in massive construction efforts such as battery plants and electric-vehicle factories. Our correspondent goes on a road trip, visiting small towns with big new projects under way and gauging the success of Mr Biden’s economic policy so far.

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    Giant vacuums and other government climate bets

    Giant vacuums and other government climate bets
    Yesterday we brought you a debate over whether the government should subsidize industries in the name of economic growth and societal benefits. Today on the show, we zero in on the climate industrial policy of the Biden administration, which is funneling billions into experimental projects that promise to remove, capture and store carbon. It's an effort by the U.S. to meet its ambitious climate goals, but it's not without its skeptics.

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    When Great Power Conflict and Climate Action Collide

    When Great Power Conflict and Climate Action Collide

    The global decarbonization effort is colliding headfirst with the realities of great power politics. China currently controls more than 75 percent of the world’s electric vehicle battery and solar photovoltaic manufacturing supply chains. It also processes the bulk of the so-called critical minerals, like lithium, cobalt and graphite, that are essential to building out clean energy technologies. There is no clean energy revolution without China.

    What would happen if China decided to weaponize its clean energy resources in the same way Russia recently weaponized its oil and gas? Is it possible for the U.S. to end its energy dependency on China by investing in clean energy at home? What does this geopolitical reality mean for the prospect of meeting the world’s climate goals?

    Over the past few years, Jason Bordoff and Meghan O’Sullivan have been at the forefront of mapping out the ways decarbonization will upend the world’s economic and geopolitical order. Bordoff is the founding director of the Center on Global Energy Policy at Columbia University and a former senior director for energy and climate change for the National Security Council under Barack Obama. O’Sullivan is the director of the Belfer Center for Science and International Affairs at the Harvard Kennedy School and a former deputy national security adviser in the George W. Bush administration.

    In Bordoff and O’Sullivan’s view, decarbonization won’t just affect what kinds of cars we drive or how we power our homes. It will transform everything from the nature of international markets and trade relations to the global balance of military and diplomatic power. And it will create new economic superpowers, new alliances and new sources of geopolitical conflict in the process.

    This conversation explores the contours of this transformation and what it will mean for the future of the climate and world politics.

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    The Age of Energy Insecurity” by Jason Bordoff and Meghan L. O’Sullivan

    A Critical Minerals Policy for the United States” by Meghan L. O’Sullivan and Jason Bordoff

    Biden’s Historic Climate Bill Needs Smart Foreign Policy” by Jason Bordoff

    The Nuances of Energy Transition Investments” by Columbia Energy Exchange, with Larry Fink

    Book Recommendations:

    The Prize by Daniel Yergin

    Silent Spring Revolution by Douglas Brinkley

    The Avoidable War by Kevin Rudd

    How to Avoid a Climate Disaster by Bill Gates

    This episode is guest-hosted by Rogé Karma, the senior editor for “The Ezra Klein Show.” Rogé has been with the show since July 2019, when it was based at Vox. At Vox, he also wrote and conducted interviews on topics ranging from policing and racial justice to democracy reform and the coronavirus pandemic.

    Thoughts? Guest suggestions? Email us at ezrakleinshow@nytimes.com.

    You can find transcripts (posted midday) and more episodes of “The Ezra Klein Show” at nytimes.com/ezra-klein-podcast, and you can find Ezra on Twitter @ezraklein. Book recommendations from all our guests are listed at https://www.nytimes.com/article/ezra-klein-show-book-recs.

    This episode of “The Ezra Klein Show” was produced by Rogé Karma. Fact checking by Michelle Harris, with Mary Marge Locker and Kate Sinclair. Our senior engineer is Jeff Geld. Our senior editor is Rogé Karma. The show’s production team also includes Emefa Agawu, Rollin Hu and Kristin Lin. Original music by Isaac Jones. Audience strategy by Kristina Samulewski and Shannon Busta. The executive producer of New York Times Opinion Audio is Annie-Rose Strasser. Special thanks to Sonia Herrero.

    Beaming 24/7 solar… from space

    Beaming 24/7 solar… from space
    It’s the highest-intensity solar power you can get. It’s available 24/7. And you can send it anywhere on earth. All you need to do is launch a ten-by-ten kilometer array of solar panels into geosynchronous orbit, capture solar energy, and beam it to earth using a massive antenna array. Then set up a receiver a few kilometers in diameter on earth to collect that power and send it to the grid.  Sound like science fiction? You wouldn’t be far off (looking at you, Isaac Asimov). But the reality is that Caltech, the U.S. Naval Research Laboratory, and the Japanese Space Agency are all working on the idea. Recent developments in space tech warrant some cautious optimism about space-based solar. Space X has pioneered reusable rockets that have dramatically reduced the cost of launches. And mass production of satellites has brought down the cost of hardware, too. So how would space-based solar actually work? And what would it take to commercialize it? In this episode, Shayle talks to Sanjay Vijendran, lead for the SOLARIS initiative on space-based solar power at the European Space Agency. He argues that space-based solar is much closer to commercialization than nuclear fusion, which garners a lot more attention and funding. They cover topics like: The four main components: the launch, the solar panels, the antenna, and the receiver on earth Where we need additional research, including beaming power at greater distance and scale, plus power beaming safety What it might feel like if you stood under the beam The target launch costs the industry would need to reach for viability Pilot projects happening right now Recommended Resources: The Verge: Space-based solar power is having its moment in the sun Science: Space-based solar power is getting serious—can it solve Earth’s energy woes? Canary: Is space-based solar ready for liftoff? Catalyst is a co-production of Post Script Media and Canary Media. Catalyst is supported by Antenna Group. For 25 years, Antenna has partnered with leading clean-economy innovators to build their brands and accelerate business growth. If you're a startup, investor, enterprise, or innovation ecosystem that's creating positive change, Antenna is ready to power your impact. Visit antennagroup.com to learn more. Catalyst is supported by RE+. RE+ is more than just the largest clean energy event, it’s a catalyst for industry innovation designed to supercharge business growth in the clean energy economy. Learn more: re-plus.com.

    6/24/23: EXCLUSIVE: Oliver Stone On Nuclear Energy, RFK Jr

    6/24/23: EXCLUSIVE: Oliver Stone On Nuclear Energy, RFK Jr

     Saagar interviews Oliver Stone on his new documentary "Nuclear Now" on the power and hope of nuclear energy to save our world.


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    Still the one that I want: Greece’s prime minister wins again

    Still the one that I want: Greece’s prime minister wins again

    Although Kyriakos Mitsotakis’ party fell short of a majority in parliament, meaning there will be a second vote, the incumbent prime minister did much better than expected. Will he be able to continue the country’s rebound story? America’s clean energy investments are spurring green lobbyists to action. And, how might simple nets protect Ukrainians from drones?


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    Another season of the crown: the coronation of Charles III

    Another season of the crown: the coronation of Charles III

    He has been king since September; now it is time for the pomp. We examine the modern monarchy—and the ancient frippery of coronations. Despite prior reluctance to do much about climate change, America is set to become a clean-energy superpower. And reflecting on the life of Carolyn Bryant, whose testimony led to a lynching that set off America’s civil-rights movement.

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    Night School, Class 1: Green energy’s big year

    Night School, Class 1: Green energy’s big year

    It’s time to hit the books with Behind the Money: Night School. This series will serve as a primer to the biggest economic stories of 2023. 


    On today’s episode, US Managing Editor Peter Spiegel talks with Derek Brower about energy policy. They discuss how the United States became almost energy independent, President Biden’s about-face on oil and gas, and why the Inflation Reduction Act might just transform America’s economy into a hub of green innovation. 


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    The trends shaping the energy transition [partner content]

    The trends shaping the energy transition [partner content]
    We are headed into an uncertain future for the climate – but the range of possible scenarios is getting clearer. We’ve likely avoided the worst-case scenarios, thanks to the progress made in clean energy. And that has experts feeling conflicted. “People who are deep in the industry of trying to address climate change flip flop from skepticism to the amazing opportunity we have,” says DNV Senior Vice President Nick Brod. “Every few weeks, we see new technologies that show us that there is endless potential to make things more and more efficient.” “We definitely have a lot of the technologies in wind and solar and storage – and there continues to be breakthroughs,” says DNV Senior Vice President Marion Hill. We have most of the tools available to slow climate change. So where are the opportunities? And what are the bottlenecks to growth? In this special episode, produced in partnership with DNV, we feature a conversation between Stephen Lacey, Nick Brod, and Marion Hill about the trends reshaping supply and demand on the grid. DNV provides advice and assurance to customers across the spectrum of the energy transition, from generation to end use – in solar, storage, wind, grid planning, hydrogen, carbon capture, and more. To learn more about how experts like Nick and Marion can help you accelerate the energy transition, go to dnv.com/catalyst

    Columbia Energy Exchange: Will Putin’s Energy Strategy Backfire?

    Columbia Energy Exchange: Will Putin’s Energy Strategy Backfire?
    Don’t miss our live episode of Climavores in New York City on October 20! Sign up here for a night of live audio and networking with top voices in climate journalism.  Winter is coming. The energy crisis that is afflicting Europe and other parts of the world is worsening as Russia weaponizes natural gas. This energy crisis has effects across climate tech, and so today we’re bringing you an episode of Columbia Energy Exchange, a podcast from Columbia University’s Center on Global Energy Policy. On Catalyst, we don’t usually dig so deep into geopolitics and policy, but this crisis has big implications for markets, investment and technology.  After Russian President Vladimir Putin turned off supply of Russian gas through the Nord Stream pipeline earlier this month, prices across Europe soared – causing severe pain for manufacturers and consumers, and pushing the region closer to recession. European countries are weighing emergency measures, like price caps and rationing. In addition to the immediate energy crisis, key questions remain about what all of this means for the clean energy transition. The supply of critical materials for clean energy technologies – such as copper, lithium, and cobalt – will also present challenges. A recent report by S&P Global predicted that demand for copper will double by 2035 as a consequence of the energy transition, and it is unclear if the existing supply chains can sustain such an increase.  How can governments and companies address the energy crisis without sacrificing progress on climate? And how might current and future supply shortages change the geopolitical landscape? This week, Columbia Energy Exchange host Jason Bordoff talks with Dr. Dan Yergin, an internationally known authority on energy, geopolitics, and economics. He sits on the boards of numerous institutions – including Columbia’s Center of Global Energy Policy. Dr. Yergin is the Pulitzer Prize winning author of “The Prize: The Epic Quest for Oil, Money & Power.” And his most recent book, “The New Map: Energy, Climate, and the Clash of Nations,” illustrates the greatest issues of geopolitics and energy today.  He is the Vice Chairman of S&P Global, and was the project Chairman for the report, “The Future of Copper: Will the looming supply gap short-circuit the energy transition?” Jason spoke with Dr. Yergin about the ongoing energy crisis, the supply of critical materials, and the future of energy superpowers. Resources: Simon & Schuster: The Prize: The Epic Quest for Oil, Money & Power Penguin Random House: The New Map: Energy, Climate, and the Clash of Nations   Catalyst is a co-production of Post Script Media and Canary Media. Catalyst is supported by Antenna Group. For 25 years, Antenna has partnered with leading clean-economy innovators to build their brands and accelerate business growth. If you're a startup, investor, enterprise, or innovation ecosystem that's creating positive change, Antenna is ready to power your impact. Visit antennagroup.com to learn more. Solar Power International and Energy Storage International are returning in-person this year as part of RE+. Come join everyone in Anaheim for the largest, B2B clean energy event in North America. Catalyst listeners can receive 15% off a full conference, non-member pass using promo code CANARY15. Register here.

    EPA Administrator Michael S. Regan - Clean Energy and Protecting Communities

    EPA Administrator Michael S. Regan - Clean Energy and Protecting Communities

    Michael S. Regan chats about clean energy and explains why he is leading the Environmental Protection Agency through the lens of environmental justice: “Systemic racism is by design, and the environment is no different than policing or incarceration or housing.” 

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    “deja coup.”

    “deja coup.”

    Democratic leaders agree to a $3.5 trillion economic plan, President Biden delivers an impassioned speech on voting rights that still doesn’t mention the f-word, a new book reveals that the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs was actively planning to stop Trump’s attempted coup, and Black Voters Matter co-founder LaTosha Brown joins to talk about how activists and organizers plan to win the fight against voter suppression.


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    How to decarbonize the grid and electrify everything | John Doerr and Hal Harvey

    How to decarbonize the grid and electrify everything | John Doerr and Hal Harvey

    "The good news is it's now clearly cheaper to save the planet than to ruin it," says engineer and investor John Doerr. "The bad news is: we are fast running out of time." In this conversation with climate policy expert Hal Harvey, the two sustainability leaders discuss why humanity has to act globally, at speed and at scale, to meet the staggering challenge of decarbonizing the global economy (which has only ever increased emissions throughout history) -- and share helpful examples of promising energy solutions from around the world.

    Solar Power: The Future or What?

    Solar Power: The Future or What?

    We’ve been promised solar energy for a while now – where is it? Turns out, it’s been quietly and steadily growing across the world. And with a few breakthroughs, we just may be able to say goodbye to fossil fuels. Learn about sun-based energy in this episode.

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    Between the Scenes - Kirsten Gillibrand on Taking On Trump in 2020 and Winning the Green Energy Race

    Between the Scenes - Kirsten Gillibrand on Taking On Trump in 2020 and Winning the Green Energy Race

    New York Senator Kirsten Gillibrand answers audience members' questions about why she's running for president in 2020 and how she plans to address climate change.

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    Why Gov. Jay Inslee is running for president on climate change

    Why Gov. Jay Inslee is running for president on climate change
    Vox senior politics reporter, Jane Coaston speaks to Washington Gov. Jay Inslee at South by Southwest about climate change, his 2020 candidacy, why it's time to eliminate the filibuster, and the Green New Deal. We are conducting an audience survey to better serve you. It takes no more than five minutes, and it really helps out the show. Please take our survey here: https://www.surveymonkey.com/r/3X6WMNF Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices