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    The Great Powers and the War in Gaza - with Walter Russell Mead

    enJune 07, 2024

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    • Israel-Gaza conflict's global implicationsThe Israel-Gaza conflict's impact on global powers like China, Russia, and the US is complex, highlighting shifting relationships and interests in the Middle East

      The Israel-Gaza conflict has significant implications beyond the Middle East, affecting the interests of global powers like China, Russia, and the United States. Walter Russell Mead, a renowned foreign policy expert and historian, believes that the war has not necessarily advanced or reversed the interests of these global powers but rather highlighted their complex relationships with the region. Israel's situation, where it no longer seems to control events around it, is a significant shift that has global repercussions. Mead's perspective, as a longtime observer of international affairs, provides valuable insights into the geopolitical implications of the conflict and its impact on global powers.

    • Israeli-Iranian conflictIran's revolutionary war of resistance against Israel involves complex alliances and shifting motivations, with anti-Semitism and regional geopolitics playing key roles

      The ongoing conflict between Israel and its adversaries, particularly Iran and its proxies, is a complex and multifaceted war with deep political, geostrategic, and cultural dimensions. Surprising developments include the resurgence of anti-Semitism in the United States and the relatively supportive diplomatic terrain for Israel compared to past conflicts. This war appears to be a revolutionary war of resistance, with Iran aiming to unite various anti-Western and anti-Israeli sentiments into a regional populist insurrection. However, alliances are shaky, and actors like Iran and its proxies, such as Hezbollah and the Houthis, have their own interests and perspectives that may not align perfectly with Iran's. The regional landscape is further complicated by the involvement of multiple actors, including Saudi Arabia, Egypt, and the Emiratis, among others. Understanding the motivations and interrelationships of these various players is crucial to grasping the true nature and significance of this war.

    • Middle East politicsThe Middle East's complex political landscape, with various factions and external powers, influences the actions of groups like Hamas and Hezbollah, and the relationships between these groups are nuanced and dynamic, making it difficult to fully understand their motivations and actions.

      The complex political landscape of the Middle East, with its various factions and competing interests, extends beyond the Israeli-Palestinian conflict and influences the actions of groups like Hamas and Hezbollah. The relationships between these groups and external powers like Iran and Qatar are nuanced and dynamic, with shifting allegiances and competing priorities. At the same time, there are broader alignments and competing visions for the region, with some seeing the U.S. presence and a strong Israel as positive forces, while others view them as intolerable affronts. The intricacies of these relationships are often hidden from public view, making it difficult to fully understand the motivations and actions of the players involved. Despite this uncertainty, it is possible that as the region evolves, Israel may continue to establish deeper roots and become a more normalized presence in the Middle East.

    • Hezbollah-Israel tensionsHezbollah avoids all-out war with Israel due to potential loss of military capabilities and deterring effect, while Iran benefits from keeping their power intact as a potential threat

      The current tensions between Hezbollah and Israel are a complex situation influenced by various factors. Hezbollah, despite its provocative actions, does not seem eager for an all-out war with Israel. This is likely due to the potential loss of their military capabilities and the deterring effect they have on Israel. Iran, as Hezbollah's patron, also benefits from keeping the group's military power intact as a potential retaliatory threat. The Saudis, on the other hand, are navigating their own interests in the region, moving towards closer defense relationships with the US and Israel, but not without challenges, such as the recent release of a report alleging their involvement in 9/11. Overall, the situation is a delicate balance of power, with each party trying to maximize their advantages while minimizing risks.

    • Saudi treaty relationshipsThe Saudis are exploring alternative treaty relationships beyond the US due to American political instability and uncertainty, with a better chance under Biden due to potential bipartisan support and Israel's involvement. Russia and China's interests in the Middle East are also significant factors.

      The Saudis are exploring other options for treaty relationships beyond the US, particularly under a Democratic administration, due to American political instability and uncertainty. They believe they have a better chance of ratifying a treaty under Biden, as both Republicans and Democrats may support it for different reasons. The clock is ticking for this treaty to be signed, presented to the Senate, and ratified before the election. Israel's involvement in the treaty is crucial for securing Republican support, as well as for the Biden administration. Russia and China's interests in the Middle East are also significant, with Russia aiming to make the US unhappy and maximize income from oil, while China is expanding its influence through economic cooperation and infrastructure projects. The US's reliability as a security partner and efforts to destroy the oil industry have led the Saudis to seek alternatives and reduce their dependence on the US.

    • Middle East geopoliticsRussia and China are expanding their influence in the Middle East, challenging US dominance, and Israel's failure to defeat Hamas could further weaken American influence. Understanding motivations and strategies of key players is crucial.

      The geopolitical landscape of the Middle East is undergoing significant shifts, with major players like Russia and China expanding their influence. Russia is using its military presence and resources to secure deals with Middle Eastern regimes, while China is increasing its diplomatic and economic engagement. These moves are seen as a challenge to the United States' role in the region, and Israel's failure to decisively defeat Hamas in Gaza could further weaken American influence. The historical example of Hezbollah in Lebanon shows that failing to defeat a militant group can lead to increased military dominance and a greater threat to Israel. These developments underscore the importance of understanding the motivations and strategies of key players in the Middle East and adapting to the changing geopolitical landscape.

    • Civilizational struggleThe current conflict between Israel and Hamas goes beyond a regional war and risks being perceived as a loss for Western values Israel represents, making it crucial for Israel to overcome this challenge and establish Hamas' defeat.

      The current conflict between Israel and Hamas goes beyond a regional war and has become a civilizational struggle in the Western world, with significant implications for Israel's standing and perceived success in the face of such attacks. This is a departure from previous conflicts, where protests against Israel were limited and Israel's wars against Hezbollah were not viewed as a broader cultural debate. The current situation, with Hamas as a substitute for Hezbollah, risks being perceived as a loss for the Western values Israel represents. Despite the challenges, it is crucial for Israel to overcome this challenge and for the perception of Hamas' defeat to be established, as this is important for both Israelis and Palestinians. The support for Israel in the US remains strong, despite the loud voices of a narrow segment of the population, and the Biden administration should not be swayed by these voices when making policy decisions.

    • U.S. signaling in Israel-Palestine conflictBiden's actions towards Israel-Palestine conflict reflect a typical U.S. strategy of sending signals to various parties, but their effectiveness and intelligence in the Middle East remains debatable.

      President Biden's actions towards Israel and its conflicts with groups like Hamas are not just about managing his political coalition at home, but also about sending signals to various parties involved in the conflict. While the U.S. may abstain from certain UN resolutions, large-scale military actions against Gaza continue. Biden's actions may be perceived as hypocritical by some, but they reflect a typical strategy for American presidents in navigating complex international conflicts. However, the overall effectiveness and intelligence of this strategy in the Middle East remains a valid criticism.

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