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    #61 - Rajpaul Attariwala, M.D., Ph.D.: Cancer screening with full-body MRI scans and a seminar on the field of radiology

    enJuly 08, 2019

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    • The Revolutionary MRI Technology: Transforming Cancer ScreeningRaj Atariwala's innovative MRI technology has the potential to revolutionize cancer screening, making it essential for patients and healthcare professionals to consider its benefits.

      There is a revolutionary MRI technology developed by Raj Atariwala that has significant implications for cancer screening. The conversation begins with a discussion about the goal of translating the science of longevity into accessible content for everyone. Raj is introduced as a dual board certified radiologist and nuclear medicine physician who has been creating a new way of doing MRI by fine-tuning the hardware and building unique software. The conversation then delves into the history of radiology, explaining the different imaging technologies and their evolution. The second half of the episode focuses on cancer screening and the importance of MRI for detecting and monitoring cancer. This highlights the significance of Raj's MRI technology and its potential to improve cancer screening methods. The key takeaway is that this advanced MRI technology has the potential to revolutionize cancer screening and should be considered by patients and healthcare professionals.

    • The Fusion of Technology and Medicine in Advancing Preventative Care and Understanding the Human BodyThe combination of technology and medicine allows for advancements in preventative care and a deeper understanding of the human body, empowering patients to take control of their health.

      Prenuvo, a company affiliated with AIM, aims to empower patients by giving them access to preventative medicine. The discussion also highlights the importance of understanding medical scans and the risks and benefits associated with them. It is mentioned that many radiologists come from engineering backgrounds, as radiology involves a lot of technology. The conversation further delves into the speaker's personal journey from engineering to biomedical engineering to eventually pursuing a medical degree to better understand the language and complexities of medicine. The speaker's engineering mindset and thirst for knowledge led them to explore and advance the understanding of the body's processes and pathologies. In summary, the key takeaway is that the fusion of technology and medicine can lead to advancements in preventative care and a deeper understanding of the human body.

    • The Power of Combined Imaging Technologies in MedicineThe fusion of functional and anatomical imaging technologies like PET-CT enables doctors to make more accurate diagnoses and treatment plans, improving patient outcomes. Collaboration between surgeons and radiologists is crucial in maximizing the benefits of these techniques.

      Technology in the field of medicine, specifically radiology and nuclear medicine, has advanced to provide a better understanding of the human body. The combination of functional imaging and anatomic imaging through technologies like positron emission tomography and CT scans (PET-CT) has proven to be more powerful than each modality individually. This fusion of imaging technologies allows medical professionals to not only see the structure and shape of organs but also observe their functionality and metabolic activity. By incorporating both anatomical and functional information, doctors can make more accurate diagnoses and treatment plans. The collaboration between surgeons and radiologists is essential in maximizing the benefits of these imaging techniques and improving patient outcomes.

    • Understanding Radiation Exposure in Imaging TechniquesPatients should be informed about the varying levels of radiation in imaging techniques and make informed decisions about the necessity of undergoing certain tests to minimize potential risks.

      Different imaging techniques have varying levels of radiation exposure, and understanding the potential damaging effects of ionizing radiation is crucial. X-rays, CT scans, and PET CT scans all involve radiation, but the amount varies. The unit of measurement for radiation is millisieverts, which records the amount of energy deposited in the body. It is important to note that radiation is neither created nor destroyed, but it is transferred and can cause damage if it deposits in the body. Therefore, patients should be aware of the potential risks associated with radiation exposure and make informed decisions about the necessity of undergoing certain imaging tests.

    • Understanding Radiation Exposure in Medical Imaging ProceduresDifferent medical imaging procedures, such as PET-CT scans and nuclear medicine scans, involve varying levels of radiation exposure. It is crucial to consider cumulative exposure and potential implications on normal physiology for long-term health.

      Different medical imaging procedures involve varying levels of radiation exposure. The PET-CT scan, which combines positron emission tomography (PET) and computed tomography (CT), emits high-energy radiation with a significant amount of energy. When radioactive glucose is used in a whole body PET-CT scan, the radiation dose can reach up to 12 millisieverts in the US. On the other hand, nuclear medicine procedures involve injecting radioactive materials, resulting in radiation exposure throughout the entire body. To maximize the information obtained from the radiation exposure, nuclear medicine scans capture images of various body parts. It's important to consider the cumulative radiation exposure from all sources, including background radiation and other factors like altitude and travel routes. The aim is to limit long-term exposure and understand the potential implications on normal physiology based on historical incidents and research.

    • The Importance of Understanding Radiation Risks, Interpretation, and Imaging Modalities in MedicineKnowing the potential risks of radiation, the complexity of interpreting x-rays, and the benefits of different imaging modalities is crucial for making informed medical decisions.

      Radiation from CT scanners can have damaging effects, especially for younger individuals and females. The risk of cancer induction from CT scanners is greater in younger people, and females are more sensitive to radiation compared to males. This knowledge is crucial in pediatric medicine, where efforts are made to minimize radiation exposure in children. Additionally, the conversation highlights the complexity of interpreting x-rays, as the human body is not two-dimensional. X-rays require skilled radiologists to extract three-dimensional information from a two-dimensional image. The advent of CT scans revolutionized medical imaging by providing three-dimensional views, aiding in surgical planning and diagnosis. Understanding the potential risks and limitations of different imaging modalities is vital in medical decision-making.

    • The Evolution and Benefits of CT Scans in Medical ImagingCT scans revolutionized medicine by providing comprehensive, three-dimensional imaging of internal structures. The technology has evolved over time, with improved speed and resolution, allowing for more detailed images. However, higher slice numbers may require higher radiation doses.

      CT scans are a more advanced form of imaging compared to x-rays. While x-rays provide a single flash image, CT scans use a searchlight-like approach, capturing images from all angles around the body. The equipment measures how intensity passes through multiple layers, allowing a comprehensive evaluation of internal structures. Similar to how police officers use CT scans to determine the location of occupants in a building, CT scans use triangulation by rotating 360 degrees. The first CT scan was introduced by EMI in the 70s, revolutionizing medicine through its three-dimensional imaging capabilities. CT scanners have evolved in terms of speed and resolution, with earlier models being less efficient. Higher slice numbers or thinner slices provide more detailed images but may require higher radiation doses to overcome background noise.

    • Understanding the Factors and Techniques Behind CT Scan Slices, Contrast Material, and CalibrationThe number of slices in a CT scan is determined by organ movement, while contrast material and calibration help enhance visibility and accuracy in imaging.

      The number of slices in a CT scan, such as 256 or 512, is determined by the speed, resolution, and radiation requirements of the specific organ being scanned. For rapidly moving organs like the heart, a higher number of slices may be needed. However, for anatomically complicated but non-moving organs like the pancreas, even as few as eight slices can provide sufficient detail, as long as the patient can hold their breath and there's minimal movement. Additionally, contrast material, usually iodine-based, is often used in CT scans to help highlight blood vessels and enhance the visibility of organs. This contrast material creates a contrast effect by making certain structures appear white on the CT scan image, allowing for improved anatomical detail. Calibrating the CT scan involves using Hounsfield units, which range from -1000 to 2000, to measure tissue differences and provide more accurate imaging.

    • Comparing CT Scans and Ultrasounds: Strengths and Limitations in Medical Imaging TechniquesKnowing the strengths and limitations of CT scans and ultrasounds helps medical professionals select the most suitable imaging technique for different situations and patient needs.

      Medical imaging techniques like CT scans and ultrasounds have different strengths and limitations. CT scans provide detailed anatomical information and can be quickly performed, making them ideal for trauma patients. However, they involve radiation exposure. On the other hand, ultrasounds use high-frequency sound waves to penetrate tissue and create images based on echoes. They do not involve radiation and are particularly useful for examining the vasculature. However, ultrasounds may not provide as much detailed information as CT scans and may have limitations in terms of tissue penetration. Understanding the capabilities and limitations of these imaging techniques allows medical professionals to choose the most appropriate tool for each situation.

    • Understanding Ultrasound Technology and its Limitations in Medical ImagingUltrasound technology uses reflections to provide information about tissues, but it has lower resolution and challenges with air-filled areas. Skill and experience are needed for interpretation and different patient body types should be considered.

      Ultrasound technology works by using reflections to determine the depth and composition of tissues. It is similar to standing in a mountain range and hearing echoes to determine distance. Animals like bats and dolphins have exceptional ultrasound abilities, with dolphins even rivaling our finest medical equipment in resolution. Ultrasound is safe and does not increase the risk of cancer, unlike frequent CT scans. However, ultrasound has limitations, such as lower resolution and difficulties in imaging air-filled areas. Skill and experience play a crucial role in interpreting ultrasound images, and dealing with different patient body types is also important. Ultrasound is also used to visualize the heart, once an appropriate window is found to avoid interference from air in the lungs.

    • The Importance of Echocardiograms in Trauma CentersEchocardiograms, specifically transesophageal echocardiograms, play a critical role in trauma centers by providing detailed views of the heart and helping determine the need for immediate surgery. Accuracy in detecting pericardial fluid is crucial for patient safety.

      Echocardiograms, especially transesophageal echocardiograms, provide detailed views of the heart and are crucial in medical settings like trauma centers. Echocardiograms use ultrasound to visualize the heart's valves, walls, and blood flow. The proximity of the esophagus to the heart allows for excellent detail in images. In trauma situations, echocardiograms help determine if a patient needs immediate surgery by detecting abdominal and pericardial fluid, which are surgical emergencies. However, identifying different types of fluid can be difficult, and sometimes follow-up CT scans are necessary for confirmation. Ensuring accuracy is crucial as missing even a small amount of pericardial fluid can be a life-threatening injury.

    • The importance of clinical skill and imaging technology in diagnosing medical conditions, with a focus on mammography for breast cancer screening.Mammography is effective in detecting calcifications in fat tissue, but additional imaging techniques may be needed for women with dense breast tissue to ensure accurate diagnosis.

      Clinical skill and imaging technology, such as mammography, play a crucial role in diagnosing medical conditions quickly and efficiently. Mammography, which is a lower attenuation x-ray, is primarily used for screening breast cancer. It is effective in detecting calcifications in fat tissue, but it can be challenging to see through dense glandular tissue. In some women, glandular tissue does not get replaced with fat, resulting in dense breast tissue. For women with dense breast tissue, a mammogram may not be sufficient, and additional imaging modalities like ultrasound or MRI may be required to examine the tissue more thoroughly. Sensitivity and specificity of mammograms are generally high, but it is important to consider individual variations and potentially complement mammography with other imaging techniques for accurate diagnosis.

    • The Role of Sensitivity and Specificity in Mammogram AccuracyMammograms are not always reliable for detecting breast cancer, and their accuracy depends on factors such as breast density. Relying solely on one test may not provide accurate results, so individualized screening approaches are necessary.

      Mammograms are not always reliable for detecting breast cancer, and their effectiveness depends on factors such as breast density. Sensitivity and specificity play crucial roles in determining the accuracy of mammograms. Sensitivity refers to the ability to correctly identify true positive cases of breast cancer, while specificity refers to the ability to correctly identify true negative cases. The higher the sensitivity, the lower the chances of missing a cancer diagnosis, whereas higher specificity reduces false positive results. Mammograms have low sensitivity on dense breasts and higher sensitivity on fatty tissue breasts. It is important to understand that relying solely on one test, especially one that has low sensitivity and specificity, may not provide accurate results. Thus, individualized approaches to breast cancer screening are essential.

    • The Impact of Machine Learning and AI in MammographyMachine learning and AI can enhance the accuracy of mammography, but challenges include individual variability, the need for large amounts of standardized data, and potential limitations of backward-looking data. Molecular breast imaging (MBI) is an alternative test, but it may have high radiation exposure.

      Machine learning and AI have the potential to greatly impact the field of radiology, particularly in the area of mammography. Companies are already working on using machine learning techniques to assist radiologists and improve the sensitivity and specificity of mammography. However, achieving high levels of accuracy, such as 97-98%, is challenging due to individual variability and the uniqueness of each mammogram. Machine learning algorithms require large volumes of data reproduced in the exact same way to improve accuracy. Additionally, while mammography technology has advanced over the years, the data available for analysis is often backward-looking. Another alternative test called molecular breast imaging (MBI) exists, but it involves injecting a radioactive material and may have high radiation exposure.

    • The evolution of MRI technology: From accidental discovery to advanced medical diagnosticsMRI technology, originally discovered accidentally, has evolved into a complex system that utilizes physics to analyze the composition of materials, providing valuable insights into the human body.

      MRI technology was not initially developed for imaging purposes, but rather discovered accidentally while studying the effect of electromagnetic waves on materials. The MRI machine is an engineered delight and a more complicated set of physics compared to other imaging technologies. It is an evolved version of the NMR (nuclear magnetic resonance) machine used in organic chemistry. Understanding how an MRI works requires diving into physics. It is able to analyze the composition of materials, particularly hydrogen atoms, by detecting the behavior of protons. MRI technology has greatly advanced medical diagnostics and imaging capabilities, providing valuable insights into the human body.

    • The Relationship between Hydrogen and Protons in NMR and MRIMRI uses the detection of hydrogen nuclei, also known as protons, to visualize soft tissues in the human body, and the strength of the MRI magnet determines the quality of the images.

      Hydrogen and proton are used interchangeably in the context of NMR (Nuclear Magnetic Resonance) spectroscopy and MRI (Magnetic Resonance Imaging). In NMR, the behavior of the hydrogen nucleus is different when it is bound to oxygen or carbon, resulting in different wavelengths. MRI essentially detects hydrogen nuclei, which are protons, making it a hydrogen imager. Since the human body contains a significant amount of hydrogen in the form of water, fats, and proteins, MRI can visualize soft tissues. The strength of the MRI magnet, measured in Tesla, is crucial in orienting the hydrogen molecules in one direction. Higher Tesla fields enable better alignment of hydrogen, leading to clearer imaging.

    • The Technology Behind MRI MachinesMRI machines use a constant magnetic field and superconducting wire to generate images, requiring continuous cooling and backup power. Strong fields can stimulate nerve impulses, and MRI scans can be time-consuming.

      MRI machines rely on a constant magnetic field and superconducting wire to generate images. The magnet in an MRI is always on because the magnetic field needs to be present for the orientation of the imaging process. The superconducting wire runs just above absolute zero degrees Kelvin and requires continuous cooling to maintain this temperature. Backup power is necessary to ensure the continuous circulation of liquid helium around the wire. The direction of the magnet's orientation is generally facing away from the control center, and the right-hand rule indicates the direction of power flow in the coil. While the magnetic field itself may not cause harm, strong fields can stimulate nerve impulses and trigger symptoms like twitching and temporary headaches. MRI scans can also take a long time, especially for specific areas like the abdomen, due to the complexity of the imaging process.

    • Understanding MRI Imaging Techniques and ParametersMRI imaging techniques like T1-weighted and T2-weighted images capture specific elements using different parameters. T1-weighted images show only fat, while T2-weighted images show both fat and water. The acquisition time varies due to the slower water signal capture, and different MRI sequences have specific purposes.

      MRI imaging techniques, such as T1-weighted and T2-weighted images, rely on different parameters to capture specific elements and provide detailed information. In a T1-weighted image, only fat is visible, giving it a bright appearance. On the other hand, a T2-weighted image shows both fat and water, with water appearing brighter. The time it takes to acquire these images differs due to the echo time (TE) required to capture the water signal, which is slower than fat. Additionally, the repetition time (TR) for each sequence depends on the machine and needs to be customized. Furthermore, there are various MRI sequences, such as conventional spin echo, each with their own acronyms and purposes in capturing specific signals.

    • Techniques and Concepts in MRI ImagingUnderstanding gradient imaging, echoplanar imaging, and Fourier domain is crucial for radiologists in MRI. MRI sequences are conducted in 2D along different planes for comprehensive evaluation of body parts.

      MRI imaging involves various techniques and concepts such as gradient imaging, echoplanar imaging, and Fourier domain. The use of gradients allows for faster imaging by repulsing the signal before complete relaxation, with repulsing times as quick as two milliseconds. Additionally, echoplanar imaging enables the simultaneous visualization of multiple slices of the body by applying different fields. The Fourier transform is utilized to analyze the repetitive sine waves generated by the MRI pulses, plotting them in frequency and phase domains. Understanding these concepts is essential for radiologists in the field of MRI, although it may be challenging for individuals without a background in mathematics and physics. When evaluating different body parts like the knee, back, or head, MRI sequences are conducted in two dimensions along various planes to obtain the required information.

    • The benefits of MRI technology in diagnosing and detecting potential health issues in the body.MRI technology allows doctors to see detailed anatomical structures and detect conditions like aneurysms early, which can be life-saving.

      MRI technology allows doctors to see detailed anatomical structures and detect potential problems in the body, such as edema. By using different sequences and techniques, MRI can provide clear images of blood vessels, which is particularly useful in diagnosing issues in the brain. MRI's ability to excite blood flowing in specific directions and differentiate between oxygenated and deoxygenated blood allows for advanced imaging techniques like susceptibility weighted imaging. Additionally, the conversation highlights the importance of MRI in detecting conditions such as aneurysms, which can be treated electively to prevent life-threatening ruptures. The mortality rate for a ruptured aneurysm is extremely high, emphasizing the significance of early detection through MRI scans.

    • The Importance of Early Detection and Accessibility in Imaging Technologies for Saving LivesEarly detection through imaging technologies like MRA can help identify brain aneurysms, despite challenges such as cost and insurance coverage. Affordable and accessible imaging options are needed.

      Early detection and imaging technologies like Magnetic Resonance Angiography (MRA) can play a crucial role in saving lives by identifying potentially lethal conditions such as brain aneurysms. The conversation reveals that approximately 0.8% of the population may have an aneurysm in their brain, which is a higher prevalence than expected. Moreover, it highlights the potential genetic component of aneurysms, as finding one in a family often leads to other family members seeking screenings. However, the conversation also presents challenges, such as the high cost of MRA scans in the United States and the difficulty in convincing insurance companies to cover the expenses. Overall, the conversation emphasizes the importance of early detection and the need for more accessible and affordable imaging options.

    • Size isn't everything: Optimizing the effectiveness of hospital magnets.It's not about the size of the magnet, but how it's optimized and tuned. Understanding the physics and engineering is key to maximizing MRI machine performance.

      The size of a magnet used in hospitals is not necessarily indicative of its effectiveness. While big shot hospitals may brag about their larger magnets, the conversation highlights how a smaller magnet, such as a 1.5 Tesla, can still produce excellent imaging results when properly optimized and tuned. The width of the wavelength emitted by the magnets plays a crucial role in penetration and visibility. It is essential to understand the physics and engineering behind MRI machines, adjusting the parameters to maximize signal-to-noise ratio for speed and detail. Just like in Formula One, where a smaller engine can be engineered to produce exceptional performance, the focus should be on optimizing and understanding the technology rather than blindly pursuing bigger magnets for bragging rights.

    • A Step-by-Step Approach to Problem Solving in MedicinePeter Attia's approach in medicine involves focusing on desired outcomes, collaborating with experts, and iteratively optimizing processes to address clinical problems effectively.

      Peter Attia, an engineer in medicine, approaches problems by focusing on what he wants to know and see, and then working backwards to figure out how to make it work. He collaborates with MRI physicists to understand the hardware and sequences needed to achieve his goals. He acknowledges the expertise of those who specialize in the specific field, just as a mechanic is consulted to make an engine perform at its best. Through this iterative process of testing and feedback, he optimizes for a comprehensive view of the body in nuclear medicine and snapshot imaging in radiology. His approach aims to address clinical problems, such as optimizing radioactivity dose and detecting diseases like cancer.

    • Enhancing Diagnoses: Peter Attia's Innovative MRI Machine Integrates Functional Nuclear Medicine and Radiology for a Holistic Assessment of HealthPeter Attia's MRI machine combines functional nuclear medicine and radiology, providing a comprehensive and detailed understanding of a patient's condition by bridging the gap between binary nuclear medicine results and statistical radiology tests.

      Peter Attia developed a customized MRI machine that combines functional nuclear medicine with radiology to provide more accurate and comprehensive diagnoses. By adding features that allow the movement of patients on the table, Attia was able to connect different body parts, such as the head, neck, chest, and abdomen. This innovative approach enables patients to receive a more holistic assessment of their health. Attia's machine also incorporates DWIBS, a technique that examines water motion within tissues and identifies areas with high cellular density, which may indicate the presence of abnormalities like tumors. By merging functional and anatomical imaging, this MRI machine offers a more precise and detailed understanding of a patient's condition, bridging the gap between binary nuclear medicine results and the statistical nature of radiology tests.

    • Advanced Imaging for Accurate Cancer DetectionA combination of anatomic and functional imaging techniques provides detailed information about the presence of cancer, allowing patients to make personalized decisions about screening and take appropriate actions for peace of mind.

      A combination of anatomic and functional imaging can accurately identify cancer with minimal risk. The advanced diagnostic pathway used in this approach provides detailed information about the presence of cancer, allowing patients to make personalized decisions about screening. While false positives can occur, resulting in potential physical and emotional harm, the overall accuracy and effectiveness of this technology outweigh the risks. Sensitivity and specificity are crucial considerations, with the focus being on organ-specific detection. By using this approach, doctors can determine if a problem exists, providing patients with peace of mind and the ability to take appropriate actions. This technology has proven its success in identifying cancer, even in rare cases such as male breast cancer.

    • The Consequences of False Negatives in Medical ScreeningsFalse negatives in medical screenings can have both physical and emotional consequences for patients, highlighting the need for thorough medical histories and accurate screening techniques. Healthcare providers must communicate the limitations and potential risks of screening tests to patients.

      False negatives can occur in medical screenings, leading to potential harm for patients. In the case discussed, both a man and a woman had abnormalities in their breasts that were not detected by commonly used imaging tests. The man experienced emotional distress and had to undergo a biopsy, while the woman had a seatbelt injury that caused a scar and trapped fluid. These cases highlight the importance of thorough medical histories and proper screening techniques. False negatives can result in delayed diagnosis or unnecessary procedures, impacting both the physical and emotional well-being of patients. It is crucial for healthcare providers to consider the limitations of screening tests and to communicate the potential risks and benefits to patients.

    • The Value and Benefits of MRI Imaging in Detecting and Monitoring Conditions like Pancreatic CancerMRI imaging, with its contrast density and diffusion-weighted imaging, provides a comprehensive understanding of the body's internal conditions. It is a safer alternative to PET-CT scans, offering detailed tissue analysis for effective diagnosis and treatment planning.

      MRI imaging, specifically with the use of contrast density and diffusion-weighted imaging, is a valuable tool for detecting and monitoring conditions such as pancreatic cancer. By utilizing multiple filters and viewing organs from various angles, MRI can provide a comprehensive understanding of what's happening inside the body. Additionally, the creation of software tools that allow for efficient viewing of MRI images enhances the diagnostic capabilities. Compared to whole body PET-CT scans, which involve significant radiation exposure, MRI offers a safer alternative without compromising on the level of detail and tissue weighting. Overall, MRI is an effective and reliable imaging technique that combines functional imaging with detailed tissue analysis, providing a greater depth of information for diagnosis and treatment planning.

    • Advantages of MRI with DWI over PET-CT: Brain imaging, clear visualization of kidneys and bladder, revolutionizing prostate cancer diagnosis.MRI with DWI offers superior imaging of the brain, kidneys, bladder, and prostate, while PET-CT may miss details. It is also increasingly used for prostate cancer screening and raises possibilities for breast cancer detection.

      MRI with DWI has advantages over PET-CT in certain areas, such as the brain, kidneys, bladder, and prostate. MRI is known for being the best imager of the brain, while PET-CT may miss things in the brain due to its focus on glucose utilization. Additionally, the presence of glucose in the kidneys and bladder can make it difficult to see these organs clearly with PET-CT. On the other hand, DWI coupled with advanced molecular tests, like the 4K blood test, has revolutionized the approach to prostate cancer diagnosis. In countries like Europe and Australia, MRI with DWI is even used as a screening tool for prostate cancer. The conversation also raises the question of whether DWI could have a similar effect on breast cancer detection, highlighting the importance of both mammography and MRI for comprehensive screening.

    • The Importance of Standardization in MRI Imaging and Its Impact on Image Quality and InterpretationStandardization in MRI imaging is necessary to ensure consistent image quality and accurate interpretation of results. The lack of standardization poses challenges for both patients and healthcare professionals, but efforts are being made to standardize signal-to-noise levels and improve imaging quality across different machines.

      Standardization is crucial in MRI imaging. Unlike CT scans, which have standardized calibration units, MRI machines lack standardization, leading to inconsistent image quality and potential misinterpretation of results. The lack of standardization poses a challenge for both patients and healthcare professionals, as it requires expertise to differentiate between different scanners and ensure optimal imaging quality. The Quantitative Imaging Biomarkers Alliance (QIBA) is working towards standardizing MRI signal-to-noise levels across different machines, with the goal of ensuring uniform image quality regardless of the scanning location. This standardization is especially important for newer and powerful MRI sequences like diffusion weighted imaging (DWI), which can be as effective as contrast-enhanced breast MRI when performed correctly. Implementing standardization measures will help patients make informed decisions and ensure accurate diagnoses.

    • The Need for Standardization in MRI: Collaboration, Language Barriers, and Advancements in TechnologyStandardization in MRI is essential to eliminate confusion and misinformation for patients. Collaboration between physicists and radiologists, overcoming language barriers, and advancements in technology can improve efficiency and comfort during MRI scans.

      There is a need for standardization in the field of MRI in order to make it more effective and efficient. The lack of standardization has led to confusion and misinformation for patients seeking MRI scans. Collaboration between physicists and radiologists is crucial to achieve standardization, but language barriers often hinder this collaboration. The conversation also highlights the potential for advancements in MRI technology, specifically in terms of speed and computational power. With faster computers, it is possible to reduce the scanning time for patients, making it more comfortable and convenient. Additionally, the discomfort experienced during whole body MRI scans is due to the absorption of radio frequency energy, which leads to the heating of the body.

    • Advancements in Isotropic Imaging and the Challenges AheadIsotropic imaging techniques offer superior image quality and shorter scan times compared to conventional scanners, but there is a need to develop tools and software to accurately analyze whole-body images and train machines for reliable interpretation.

      Isotropic imaging, which allows for detailed examination of structures in three dimensions, is currently only possible with unconventional techniques and not readily available in commercial scanners. Conventional MRI scans cannot achieve isotropic imaging due to time constraints. The resolution deteriorates when conventional scans are rotated, resulting in distorted images. Dr. Attia's advanced imaging methods outperform even the best scanners in the country, providing superior image quality with shorter scan times. However, machine learning still has a long way to go in terms of analyzing whole-body images and accurately identifying organs. Developing tools and software for whole-body analysis will increase efficiency and help radiologists detect abnormalities more effectively while training machines to become reliable second readers.

    • Enhancing Radiologists' Efficiency through Machine Learning and CollaborationMachine learning can streamline the detection of abnormalities in repeat scans, saving time and minimizing missed findings. Continuous education and collaboration are crucial for improving patient care in the medical field.

      Machine learning can significantly improve the efficiency of radiologists in detecting differences in repeat scans. By using a paired t-test and subtracting previous scans from new ones, the machine can highlight any significant changes or deltas, making it easier for radiologists to identify abnormalities. This not only saves time but also helps ensure that nothing is missed during the review process. Additionally, the conversation emphasizes the importance of continuous education and collaboration in the medical field. The speaker acknowledges the generosity of his colleague in sharing insights and appreciates the opportunity to learn and improve patient care.

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    • The impact of fructose consumption on liver health and the challenges of disentangling its effects from other factors like obesity and insulin resistance [1:52:45];
    • The potential of GLP-1 agonists for the treatment of MASLD [1:57:45];
    • How the four stages of liver disease have evolved [2:00:30];
    • Increased cancer and heart disease risk associated with early-stage MAFLD [2:05:15];
    • Emerging drugs and therapies for addressing fat accumulation and fibrosis related to MAFLD [2:12:15];
    • Peter’s major takeaways [2:18:45]; and
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    enMay 20, 2024

    #301 - AMA #59: Inflammation: its impact on aging and disease risk, and how to identify, prevent, and reduce it

    #301 - AMA #59: Inflammation: its impact on aging and disease risk, and how to identify, prevent, and reduce it

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    In this “Ask Me Anything” (AMA) episode, Peter delves into the often misunderstood concept of inflammation. He first defines inflammation and differentiates between acute inflammation and chronic inflammation, the latter of which is linked to aging and a plethora of age-related diseases. Peter breaks down the intricate relationship between chronic inflammation, obesity, and metabolic health, and highlights the signs that might suggest someone may be suffering from chronic inflammation. From there, the conversation centers on actionable advice and practical steps one can take to manage and minimize chronic inflammation. He explores how diet plays a crucial role, including the potential benefits of elimination diets, and he examines the impact of lifestyle factors such as exercise, sleep, and stress management. Additionally, he discusses the relevance of food inflammatory tests and concludes by examining the potential benefits and drawbacks of drugs and supplements in managing inflammation.

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    We discuss:

    • Defining inflammation (and the cultural impact of Napoleon Dynamite) [1:45];
    • Acute vs chronic inflammation [8:00];
    • The connection between chronic inflammation, aging, and age-related diseases [11:00];
    • The impact of inflammation on metabolic health [18:30];
    • Understanding and diagnosing chronic inflammation: blood tests and other approaches, and challenges with measurement [20:00];
    • Factors that contribute to low-level chronic inflammation [28:00];
    • Minimizing inflammation through diet [29:45];
    • The important role of fiber for gut health and inflammation [33:45];
    • A closer look at the impact of trans fats and saturated fats on overall health [34:45];
    • Why Peter prefers dietary fiber from food sources over supplements [38:30];
    • Debunking “superfoods”: emphasizing proven methods over marketing claims for reducing inflammation [39:00];
    • Is there any value in over-the-counter food inflammatory tests? [42:30];
    • Food elimination diets: how they work, symptoms and markers to watch, challenges and limitations [45:15];
    • Identifying dietary triggers for gut-related symptoms through low-FODMAP diets like the “carnivore diet” [51:15];
    • Dairy: the complex role of dairy on inflammation and individual responses [55:00];
    • Wheat: the complexities and conflicting evidence around wheat's inflammatory effects [57:45];
    • How exercise influences inflammation [1:02:00];
    • How sleep quality and duration impacts inflammation [1:07:00];
    • The potential impact of chronic psychological stressors on inflammation [1:13:00];
    • The impact of oral health on inflammation and overall well-being [1:15:00];
    • The role of medications in managing chronic inflammation [1:18:15];
    • Supplements: evaluating the efficacy of various anti-inflammatory supplements [1:22:15];
    • Parting thoughts and takeaways [1:27:00]; and
    • More.

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    enMay 13, 2024

    #300 - Special episode: Peter on exercise, fasting, nutrition, stem cells, geroprotective drugs, and more — promising interventions or just noise?

    #300 - Special episode: Peter on exercise, fasting, nutrition, stem cells, geroprotective drugs, and more — promising interventions or just noise?

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    In this special edition celebrating 300 episodes of The Drive, Peter discusses a variety of popular topics and health interventions and classifies them based on their level of evidence and relevance using the following categories: proven, promising, fuzzy, noise, and nonsense. Peter first delves into the topic of geroprotective molecules, covering rapamycin, metformin, NAD and its precursors, and resveratrol. Next, he explores the significance of metrics like VO2 max and muscle mass, as well as emerging concepts like blood flow restriction and stem cells. The conversation extends to nutrition, addressing questions surrounding long-term fasting, sugar consumption, sugar substitutes, and the contentious role of red meat in cancer. Peter not only provides his current stance on each topic—most of which have been covered in great detail in the previous 300 episodes—but also reflects on how his opinion may have evolved over the years.

    We discuss:

    • Defining the categories of “proven, promising, fuzzy, noise, and nonsense” [3:15];
    • Rapamycin [9:30];
    • Metformin [17:00];
    • NAD and its precursors [24:30];
    • Resveratrol [32:45];
    • The importance of VO2 max, muscle mass, and muscular strength for lifespan [38:15];
    • Blood flow restriction (BFR) training [44:00];
    • Using stem cells to treat osteoarthritis or injury [51:30];
    • Fasting as a tool for longevity (and why Peter stopped his fasting protocol) [55:45];
    • The energy balance theory [1:06:30];
    • The idea that sugar is poison [1:12:00];
    • The idea that sugar substitutes are dangerous [1:22:15];
    • The debate on red meat and cancer [1:28:45]; and
    • More.

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    Special episode with Dax Shepard: F1 and the 30th anniversary of Ayrton Senna’s death

    Special episode with Dax Shepard: F1 and the 30th anniversary of Ayrton Senna’s death

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    This is a special episode of The Drive with Peter’s friend and fellow car enthusiast Dax Shepard. In this podcast, which commemorates the 30th anniversary of the death of Brazilian Formula One legend Ayrton Senna, Dax sits down with Peter to better understand what made Senna so special and why Peter remains an enormous fan. This conversation focuses on Senna’s life, the circumstances of his death, and his lasting impact and legacy on the sport of F1.

    We discuss:

    • Peter’s interest in motorsports began as a child [2:30];
    • The drama and dangers of F1 [6:00];
    • What made Senna special [13:00];
    • What Senna meant to Brazilians [24:00];
    • The cause of the fatal crash [28:15];
    • Why Peter is obsessed with Senna [40:30];
    • Being the best versus having the best record [43:30];
    • Senna’s unique driving style and incredible intuition about automotive engineering [46:30];
    • Back to the day of the dreadful race [53:00];
    • What Peter believes caused the crash [1:02:45];
    • Views on dying young, in the prime of life [1:13:00];
    • Senna lives on in his foundation and in safety changes adopted by F1 [1:21:00];
    • Statistics aren’t enough for fandom, and why people like who they do [1:24:15];
    • The biggest difference between F1 today and F1 in the 80s [1:28:30];
    • Senna’s driving superpower [1:30:30];
    • The fastest drivers currently in F1 [1:38:30];
    • Current F1 obsessions [1:45:00];
    • How hard it is to do what the top F1 drivers do [1:50:15];
    • Dax’s love of motorcycles and his AMG E63 station wagon [1:52:15];
    • Awesome Senna mementos from Etsy [2:01:15];
    • What makes specialists interesting, and Max’s devotion to F1 [2:10:15];
    • What Senna might have done if he had not died that day [2:14:00];
    • Michael Schumacher and Max Verstappen are also top F1 drivers [2:17:30];
    • Interlagos in Sao Paulo Brazil is always an incredible experience [2:18:45]; and
    • More.

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    #299 ‒ Optimizing muscle protein synthesis: the crucial impact of protein quality and quantity, and the key role of resistance training | Luc van Loon, Ph.D.

    #299 ‒ Optimizing muscle protein synthesis: the crucial impact of protein quality and quantity, and the key role of resistance training | Luc van Loon, Ph.D.

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    Luc van Loon is an internationally renowned expert in skeletal muscle metabolism. In this episode, Luc starts with an exploration of the roles of insulin and triglycerides in endurance exercise, highlighting their impact on skeletal muscle metabolism, and he offers profound insights into the significance of protein in this context. He elucidates how different protein types and forms influence muscle protein synthesis rates, exploring the nuances of protein absorption, digestibility, amino acid quality, and their implications for performance and recovery. Delving deeper, he differentiates between animal and plant protein sources, unraveling the distinctive properties of various protein types, from the differences between whey and casein to the emerging trends in collagen protein supplementation. Moreover, Luc dissects the intricate connections among physical activity, lean muscle mass, muscle protein synthesis induced by resistance training, and dietary protein.

    We discuss:

    • Luc’s background and insights about fuel selection during exercise [3:30];
    • Fuel utilization during endurance exercise [9:30];
    • Fat metabolism, intramuscular lipids, and the nutritional dynamics of endurance sports [17:15];
    • The optimal window for replenishing intramuscular fat stores and glycogen post-exercise [25:15];
    • Luc’s interest in protein metabolism and exploration of amino acids' dual role as building blocks and signaling molecules in driving muscle protein synthesis [32:15];
    • How protein metabolism differs between sedentary individuals and those engaged in predominantly strength training or endurance training [38:45];
    • The basics of how proteins are digested and absorbed, and how muscle protein synthesis is measured [50:30];
    • How factors like food texture, cooking methods, and protein composition impact muscle protein synthesis, and the importance of protein distribution throughout the day [59:45];
    • Differences in whey and casein proteins, and the ability of ingested protein to stimulate muscle protein synthesis [1:03:30];
    • Dietary protein distribution and quantity for the maximization of muscle protein synthesis [1:09:00];
    • Muscle loss with age and inactivity and the importance of resistance exercise to maintain type II muscle fibers [1:17:15];
    • Differences between whey and casein proteins, and the importance of both quantity and quality of protein sources [1:28:30];
    • Optimizing muscle protein synthesis: exercise, timing of protein intake, protein quality, and more [1:37:00];
    • How to preserve muscle while trying to lose weight [1:46:00];
    • Anabolic resistance and overcoming it with physical activity [1:55:45];
    • Importance of protein intake and physical activity in hospitalized patients [2:06:30];
    • Reviewing the efficacy of collagen supplements [2:13:30];
    • Plant-based diets: how to ensure a balance of amino acids, and other considerations [2:20:30];
    • Future research: understanding protein metabolism in the brain [2:23:45]; and
    • More.

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    #298 ‒ The impact of emotional health on longevity, self-audit strategies, improving well-being, and more | Paul Conti, M.D.

    #298 ‒ The impact of emotional health on longevity, self-audit strategies, improving well-being, and more | Paul Conti, M.D.

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    Paul Conti is an author and practicing psychiatrist who specializes in helping people heal from trauma. In this episode, Paul returns to The Drive to delve into the intricate relationship between emotional health, healthspan, and lifespan. He first challenges common assumptions about the inevitable decline of emotional health with age, providing strategies for conducting a comprehensive audit of internal emotional health. He establishes a framework for the foundation of good emotional health: a balance between the generative drive, the assertive drive, and the pleasure drive. Paul also explores the nuanced dynamics of motivation, happiness, and satisfaction as it relates to material possessions, draws connections between physical and emotional well-being, confronts the impact of negative self-talk, and describes how making peace with our mortality can foster a sense of hope, purpose and well-being. Additionally, Paul offers many practical insights into initiating emotional health improvements and navigating the search for a suitable therapist.

    We discuss:

    • The importance of prioritizing emotional health as we age [2:45];
    • The impact of emotional health on healthspan and how to foster a proactive approach to emotional well-being [7:00];
    • The discrepancy between outward success and inner fulfillment, and the importance of a healthy “generative drive” for genuine well-being [13:00];
    • A deeper dive into generative drive: impact on human behavior, resilience, purpose, and more [23:15];
    • Evaluating one’s inner self: introspection, self-awareness, challenging societal norms, and returning to the basics of physical and emotional well-being [29:00];
    • Self-auditing tools: introspection, curiosity, and exploring underlying reasons for unwanted behaviors [41:45];
    • Breaking free from destructive cycles by understanding the continuum of self-care and addictive behaviors and remaining curious [50:15];
    • Critical self talk: the malleability of one’s inner dialogue and the potential for transformative change with perseverance and self-compassion [1:00:15];
    • Slowing the anger response and gaining insights into the underlying triggers to achieve lasting change and self-understanding [1:13:45];
    • Foster gratitude and humility by achieving balance between the three drives—assertion, pleasure, and generative [1:20:45];
    • The conflict between intellectual understanding and emotional feelings, problematic comparison frameworks, and the importance of living in the present with intentionality [1:24:15];
    • How making peace with our mortality can foster a sense of hope, purpose and well-being [1:34:45];
    • Advice for finding a compatible therapist [1:43:45];
    • The key components of therapeutic progress [1:57:00];
    • The caricatures of four common patient phenotypes, and how to get through to them [2:05:30];
    • How Paul manages his own well-being and the emotional challenges that come with his line of work [2:15:15]; and
    • More.

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    #297 - AMA #58: Iron: its role in health, testing methods, and strategies for preventing and managing iron deficiency

    #297 - AMA #58: Iron: its role in health, testing methods, and strategies for preventing and managing iron deficiency

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    In this “Ask Me Anything” (AMA) episode, Peter delves into the crucial yet often overlooked topic of iron and iron deficiency. He explores why iron is indispensable for the body, explains the repercussions of iron deficiency, and sheds light on the prevalence of this issue and who is most susceptible. Peter outlines strategies for increasing iron levels, covering dietary iron, supplementation, and infusion options, while also discussing the suitability of each approach for different individuals. Shifting gears, Peter tackles rapid-fire questions on creatine and sodium, as well as inquiries related to his book.

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    We discuss:

    • Overview of today’s topics and the importance of understanding iron levels in the body [1:45];
    • The importance and ubiquity of iron in the body, and the role of the protein called ferritin [4:30];
    • The processes of iron absorption, utilization, and transportation [9:30];
    • Options for testing iron levels and how to interpret the results [13:45];
    • What does it mean to be iron deficient, and how is it different from anemia? [17:15];
    • Symptoms of iron deficiency and/or anemia [22:15];
    • How prevalent is iron deficiency, and who is most susceptible? [24:30];
    • The importance of consuming an adequate amount of iron daily to prevent deficiency [30:30];
    • The best way to improve iron levels for someone who is deficient [34:45];
    • Iron supplementation: various formulations and potential side effects [37:45];
    • Intravenous iron infusion as an alternative to oral supplements -- plus restless legs syndrome and other topics [42:00];
    • Iron supplementation: who should and should not consider it [44:00];
    • Peter’s approach to creatine and his pre- and post-workout supplements [50:15];
    • Navigating sodium intake: effect on blood pressure, who should use precaution, and other considerations [54:45];
    • Peter’s thoughts about the potential of writing another book [57:15]; and
    • More.

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    #296 ‒ Foot health: preventing and treating common injuries, enhancing strength and mobility, picking footwear, and more | Courtney Conley, D.C.

    #296 ‒ Foot health: preventing and treating common injuries, enhancing strength and mobility, picking footwear, and more | Courtney Conley, D.C.

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    Courtney Conley is an internationally renowned foot and gait specialist. In this episode, Courtney delves into the intricate world of foot anatomy and functionality. She explores the complexities of the foot, discussing its anatomy, common injuries, and the importance of understanding its structure in preventing issues. She covers a range of foot ailments, factors contributing to them, treatment options, and prevention strategies. She delves into the significance of loading, balance, range of motion, and posture, emphasizing the crucial role of strength in preventing both injuries and falls. Additionally, she sheds light on the interconnectedness of the kinetic chain, from the leg muscles down to the foot, and how issues within this chain can cascade downstream, leading to various injuries and pathologies. Additionally, she provides a comprehensive overview of footwear, discussing suitable options for both adults and children to promote foot health and mitigate potential problems.

    In addition to this interview, Courtney also recorded a series of videos to better explain a number of the concepts discussed such as diagnostic tests that are used to determine mobility and strength and the exercises one should perform to improve the outcomes based on the diagnostics. The interview will be available to everyone while the videos from the gym will only be available to paid subscribers (found at the end of the show notes page).

    We discuss:

    • Why Courtney chose to specialize in the foot [3:30];
    • The vital role of foot strength, function, and health in human movement and well-being [6:15];
    • Anatomy of the rear foot and midfoot [10:15];
    • The development of flat feet, the impact of footwear, and the benefits of going barefoot [19:45];
    • Anatomy of the forefoot, common injuries, and why most injuries occur in the forefoot [23:15];
    • Foot musculature and its role in maintaining foot stability and preventing deformities like bunions and hammer toes [30:15];
    • The intrinsic musculature of the foot, plantar fasciitis, footwear, and more [39:00];
    • Plantar fasciitis: diagnosis, causes, and treatment [51:30];
    • Posterior leg muscles: strength assessment methods, role in ACL injuries, and more [59:15];
    • Lateral and medial muscles: ankle stability, arch support, big toe stabilization, and exercises to strengthen and prevent injuries [1:04:15];
    • Importance of strength of lower leg muscles for gait and preventing shin splints, stress injuries, and more [1:08:15];
    • Tendinopathies and other common pathologies related to the anterior and lateral compartments of the foot [1:13:00];
    • The importance of midfoot integrity, ankle dorsiflexion, and a discussion of gait alterations [1:19:45];
    • Proximal stability and its implications for posture and movement patterns [1:27:00];
    • The age-related decline in foot sensation and strength [1:32:45];
    • Common toe injuries, treatment, and how to prevent further progression of the injury [1:36:30];
    • Preventing falls and managing arthritis with proactive foot care and exercises [1:46:45];
    • Footwear: advice for picking shoes that promote foot health [1:54:45];
    • Footwear for runners [2:05:30];
    • The importance of prioritizing footwear that promotes natural foot movement and strength while considering individual comfort and foot health needs [2:09:30]; and
    • More.

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    #295 ‒ Roadway death and injury: why everyone should care and what you can do to reduce risk | Mark Rosekind, Ph.D.

    #295 ‒ Roadway death and injury: why everyone should care and what you can do to reduce risk | Mark Rosekind, Ph.D.

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    Mark Rosekind is an expert on road safety and a policy leader with more than 30 years of experience enacting strategic, practical, and effective data-based solutions that enhance driver and pedestrian safety and health in complex environments. In this episode, Mark delves into the persistent issue of accidental deaths resulting from roadway accidents, a concern for those focused on longevity given its consistent risk throughout life. From exploring statistics on car crashes to identifying the demographics most at risk and the key locations of incidents, he uncovers various risk factors including distractions like smartphone usage, the influence of alcohol and cannabis, the dangers of sleep deprivation, and speeding. Mark also provides practical advice for both drivers and pedestrians to enhance safety, while delving into the potential and challenges of emerging technologies such as autonomous vehicles. Additionally, Mark provides valuable resources for listeners, particularly parents navigating the road safety landscape with teenage drivers.

    We discuss:

    • Mark’s background and education, and the profound impact of transportation accidents on human lives [4:15];
    • From sleep science to safety leadership: Mark’s journey in transportation innovation [14:15];
    • Stats on transportation accidents and fatalities [18:00];
    • Historical trends in road fatalities and the key contributors—impairment, distraction, and more [28:00];
    • The demographics of drivers involved in crashes, and the life-saving potential of better driver education programs [34:30];
    • The most critical areas where drivers need to be hyper-aware to protect themselves [41:00];
    • The role of the National Transportation Safety Board (NTSB) in accident investigations, and the importance of data sources like event data recorders (EDRs) in accident reconstruction and investigations [47:00];
    • The dangers of phone use while driving [53:45];
    • How drunk driving was addressed through advocacy and legal changes [1:01:30];
    • The need to address distracted driving and the psychological impact of distracted driving accidents on both victims and perpetrators[1:07:15];
    • Navigating the roads and lowering your risk of accidents: weather, human error, and defensive driving [1:15:45];
    • The impact of impaired driving: alcohol, cannabis, prescription drugs, and more [1:26:15];
    • Mitigating the effects of vehicle speed [1:38:15];
    • The promise and challenges of autonomous vehicles for road safety [1:44:15];
    • Automatic emergency braking (AEB): the effectiveness and challenges of implementing AEB as a standard feature in new vehicles [1:53:00];
    • Sleep deprivation: the impact of poor sleep, drowsiness, and disrupted circadian rhythm on driving [1:58:15];
    • Protecting pedestrians: strategies for reducing the risk of fatal accidents with pedestrians on foot or bicycle [2:02:30];
    • Empowering safe driving: essential resources and tips for parents and teenage drivers [2:14:00];
    • Promoting a culture of proactive safety: parting thoughts from Mark [2:19:15]; and
    • More.

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