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    The End of the Petrodollar | Luke Gromen

    enJune 10, 2024

    Podcast Summary

    • Energy and Money InterconnectionThe relationship between energy and money is crucial, and high energy costs could lead to significant changes in the monetary system. Productivity enhancements from AI and humanoid robotics may cause deflation and incompatibility with the global debt-backed monetary system, potentially leading to defaults, bond buying by central banks, and the demise of traditional investment strategies.

      The relationship between energy and money is more interconnected than most people realize. Luke Gromen, the guest on this episode of Bankless, argues that energy is the base layer of money and that high energy costs could lead to a massive monetary system change. Most people are still assuming that the dollar equals oil, but according to Gromen, they're different. He uses the example of the S&P 500 total return since January 1, 2020, which is up 75% in dollars, up 15% in gold, and down 81% in Bitcoin, to illustrate that the denominators are wildly different. Gromen suggests that as productivity enhancements from AI and humanoid robotics become more prevalent, they will be exponentially deflationary and incompatible with the global sovereign debt-backed monetary system. Central banks will have to fully reserve consumer and sovereign debt with printed money, leading to potential defaults and the selling of treasury bonds. This could result in the Fed buying all the bonds, creating more dollar liquidity. Understanding this relationship between energy and money is essential for anyone on the bankless journey, and Gromen provides some actionable ideas on how to prepare for this potential monetary system change. The 6040 portfolio, which is a common investment strategy, is dead, according to Gromen.

    • Energy and sovereign debtHigh debt levels make it challenging to pay back debts during economic instability, especially when resources like oil and copper are needed to support growing economies. Countries with the ability to print currency for resources are game-changers.

      Energy and sovereign debt are interconnected in significant ways that have far-reaching implications for the global economy. When debt levels are high, as they are now, it becomes challenging to pay back debts during periods of deflation or inflation, especially when it comes to finding the necessary resources, like oil and copper, to support growing economies. The ability to print currency for oil, as the US has done for decades, is a game-changer for countries like China and India, which are rapidly increasing their ability to do the same. This dynamic, with its conflicting deflationary and inflationary pressures, highlights the unsustainability of the current sovereign debt-backed system that has been in place for over 50 years. Energy is the base layer of money because it's tied to human labor and the promises we make to pay back debts. Central banks, governments, and policymakers may not fully understand this connection, but it's essential to recognize that energy is the foundation upon which our financial systems and empires are built.

    • Energy and EmpiresEmpires have historically sought out cheap energy sources and secured them to avoid collapse, but underestimating the importance of securing a reliable and affordable energy supply can lead to collapse

      Energy is a fundamental requirement for the existence and functioning of empires and individuals alike. Empires have historically sought out cheap sources of energy and secured them to avoid collapse. The concept of entropy, which is the energy required to maintain systems, highlights the energy needs of empires as they grow and expand. The mispricing or acquisition of energy on the cheap has been achieved through various means, including slaves, productivity enhancers, and military force. Energy is essential for all living things and for the functioning of economies, and its availability and affordability significantly impact the value of currencies. The US dollar's status as the global reserve currency is linked to its ability to provide energy security, but this arrangement is changing as global central banks shift their reserves towards gold. The petrodollar system, which linked the US dollar to oil, is no longer holding, and the dollar's value is being challenged as energy alternatives gain prominence. Ultimately, the fundamental error for empires and individuals is underestimating the importance of securing a reliable and affordable energy supply.

    • Oil as a dominant energy sourceInvestors should consider energy as their denominator when measuring returns, as oil remains the largest marginal source of energy and primary transport fuel in a globalized economy, and historical relationships between the dollar and oil are changing, potentially leading to inflation and investment opportunities in gold, commodities, and inflation-protected industries.

      Oil remains a critical and dominant form of energy, despite the diversification of the energy mix. Oil is still the largest marginal source of energy and the primary transport fuel in a globalized economy. The speaker suggests that investors should consider energy as their denominator when measuring returns, as it is a unit of value and energy sources like oil, gold, and Bitcoin are all proxies for this denominator. The speaker also discusses the historical relationship between the dollar and oil, and how this relationship is changing, with the dollar no longer being as good as gold or oil. The speaker predicts that as this relationship continues to break down, investments in gold, commodities, and industries that benefit from inflation may perform well. The speaker also suggests that technological advancements can decrease the price of energy in the short term, but over time, supply and demand imbalances can lead to increasing energy prices.

    • Dollar disconnection from gold and oilThe disconnection of the dollar from gold in the 1970s enabled the US to afford uneconomical oil reserves, print dollars for oil, and maintain its status as the global reserve currency, ultimately weakening the Soviet Union

      The disconnection of the dollar from gold in the 1970s was a strategically brilliant move that allowed the US to win the Cold War and increase domestic oil production. This decision led to a significant increase in the price of oil, making uneconomical oil reserves in friendly areas like the Gulf of Mexico, Alaska, and the UK North Sea affordable. The US could print dollars for oil while the Russians couldn't, ultimately bankrupting them and weakening their power. This geopolitical move also allowed the US to maintain its status as the global reserve currency. However, it's important to note that the relationship between energy and currency is complex, and the goals of a country can influence the price of energy and the role of different currencies. The discussion also touched on the potential for energy miracles, but the second derivative impacts should be considered before getting too optimistic.

    • Celo's transition to Ethereum layer 2Celo, a fast-growing blockchain, is transitioning to Ethereum layer 2 using Optimism's OP stack, bringing lower gas fees and more users to Ethereum, and potentially increasing demand for gold as a potential oil currency.

      Celo, a fast-growing blockchain platform with over 375 million transactions and 1 million monthly active users, is poised to become a layer 2 solution on Ethereum using Optimism's OP stack. This transition, which includes the use of ERC-20 tokens for gas payments and the ability to send crypto to phone numbers, will help keep gas fees low and bring more users to the Ethereum ecosystem. Additionally, the price of oil could force a monetary change as countries like China shift away from the petrodollar and begin paying for oil in their own currencies, leading to a potential repricing of the dollar and increased demand for hard assets like gold. This trend, driven by geopolitical necessity, could result in gold becoming an oil currency and reduce the need for countries to hold US treasuries as reserves.

    • US dollar's supremacy under threatChina's increasing demand for gold, record-trade settlements, and competition to SWIFT could challenge the US dollar's dominance, leading to higher interest rates, inflation, or debt default, and potential political instability, benefiting assets like stocks, real estate, and gold.

      China's increasing demand for gold, record-breaking use of its currency for trade settlements, and competition to the SWIFT system are signs of a shifting monetary system that could weaken the US dollar's supremacy. This could lead to the US having to choose between defending the currency or bailing out the bond market. The choices between these two options could result in either higher interest rates and a stronger dollar or inflation and debt default. The US, which has a large debt and relies on foreign demand for treasuries, is predicted to continue supporting the bond market at the expense of the currency. This could lead to inflation, nominal GDP growth, and increasing political instability, benefiting assets like stocks, real estate, and gold. The US may face challenges similar to Japan's debt issue but with the added pressure of negative real rates and a lack of a significant net international investment position.

    • Central Bank Balance SheetsThe expansion of central bank balance sheets could lead to economic instability and potential negative consequences for bondholders due to inflation and potential capital controls

      The continued growth of central bank balance sheets, which currently represent a significant percentage of their respective countries' GDPs, could lead to economic conditions akin to Argentina's experience. This is due to the potential for a significant increase in the Fed's balance sheet size over the next five years, which could result in inflation and potentially even capital controls. Bondholders, who currently hold a significant amount of long-term debt, could be negatively impacted if demand for these assets decreases. The speaker also mentioned the possibility of extreme measures, such as revaluing the gold on the US government's balance sheet, which could lead to significant inflation. The book "The Great Taking" discusses how financial assets have quietly been converted from legal ownership to a general claim on ownership, potentially leaving individuals with little to no net assets in the event of a financial crisis. The speaker expressed concern about the US's weak economic position, with a large debt-to-GDP ratio and other countries, like China, outpacing the US in various areas.

    • US economic optimismDespite economic challenges, the US is believed to have a strong legal system and property rights, making it a promising investment destination for the next 20 years. Investors should consider investing in industries that will benefit from rebuilding and reindustrialization, keep a portion of bonds in T-bills, and be cautious with consumer debt.

      Despite the current economic headwinds and historic levels of debt interest exceeding military spending in the US, the speaker remains bullish on the country's future over the next 20 years. This optimism is based on the belief that the US has the best legal system and property rights, and that certain areas of the country are poised for growth. The speaker also references Winston Churchill's quote about the Americans doing the right thing after exhausting all alternatives. The speaker acknowledges the potential for high inflation, industrial policy, and wage growth, but also warns of potential challenges and areas of the country where they are not bullish. The speaker suggests individuals prepare for this economic environment by keeping a portion of their bonds in T-bills, investing in gold and Bitcoin, and being cautious with consumer debt. They also suggest investing in industries that will benefit from the rebuilding and reindustrialization of the US. The speaker believes the bubble is in long-term government debt, not equities, and that volatility will be high, but for the average investor, it's irrelevant unless they are levered.

    • Volatile markets investment approachInvesting in volatile markets requires a low-leverage approach for the average investor due to ongoing global financial instability and potential shifts in the monetary system, which could take months to decades to resolve. Prepare for potential exponential growth of debt and its impacts, and stay informed through Luke's weekly report and Twitter account.

      Investing in volatile markets requires a low-leverage approach for the average investor. The current global financial situation, including geopolitical instability and a potential shift in the monetary system, is expected to continue causing high volatility. This process could take anywhere from months to decades. As interest doesn't sleep and compounding interest moves fast, it's essential to be prepared for the potential exponential growth of debt and its impacts. Luke's weekly report and Twitter account are excellent resources for staying informed on these topics. Remember, investing in finance and crypto carries risks, but it may be a better alternative to holding bonds. Stay with us on the Bankless journey as we navigate this frontier together.

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    TIMESTAMPS

    00:00:00 Start

    00:02:59 Are Fundamentals Having a Moment?

    00:08:59 Solana's 83% Discount

    00:12:11 Fundamentals Data

    00:17:09 Fees, SOL vs ETH

    00:19:52 Fee Generation & MEV

    00:22:36 DEX Volume

    00:25:31 Stablecoin Volume

    00:28:08 Total Value Locked

    00:31:49 Core Devs

    00:34:50 Value Accrual

    00:41:45 The Bull Case For Ether

    00:49:22 Upcoming Catalysts

    00:57:09 Qualitative Differences

    00:59:40 Price: SOL vs ETH

    01:04:10 Price Targets

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    enJuly 17, 2024

    Stocks Up & Crypto Flat...Why? | Jim Bianco

    Stocks Up & Crypto Flat...Why? | Jim Bianco

    Why are stocks up but crypto’s not? What happened to the bull market?

    Jim Bianco is the perfect guest to intersect crypto, traditional finance and the broader macro world. And that’s exactly why we brought him on the show today. 

    We ask him:

    - Are tech stocks in an AI bubble?
    - Is crypto going to have its moment?
    - How’s the U.S economy really doing?
    - What are the next potential market movers?

    Jim guides us through all this, not only that, he explains how he’s positioning himself and his portfolio for 2024.

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    0:00 Intro
    5:28 Stocks Outperforming Crypto?
    12:36 AI Bubble?
    18:05 Buffet Indicator
    22:57 Money Markets at ATH
    28:21 Crypto ETFs
    38:02 Tokenization
    42:50 Crypto’s Political Shift
    51:37 Crypto’s Pain Points
    1:04:19 Inflation
    1:12:07 Recession Coming?
    1:22:05 Market Movers
    1:26:37 Jim Bianco’s Portfolio
    1:32:48 Closing & Disclaimers

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    Jim Bianco
    https://x.com/biancoresearch  

    Bianco Research
    https://www.biancoresearch.com/visitor-home/  

    Bianco Research Advisors
    https://www.biancoadvisors.com/  

    Exponential
    https://exponential.fi/  

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    enJuly 15, 2024

    ROLLUP: Stocks vs. Crypto | EthCC Recap | Trump BTC Conf Speaker | ETH Documentary Release

    ROLLUP: Stocks vs. Crypto | EthCC Recap | Trump BTC Conf Speaker | ETH Documentary Release

    Bankless Friday Weekly Rollup
    Second Week of July
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    00:00 Start

    03:18 ETH CC Vibes
    https://x.com/TrustlessState/status/1811041008966160595 

    05:47 Vitalik Updates
    https://x.com/ranjan3118/status/1810707552256327783 
    https://x.com/0xMichz/status/1810771333846028629?t=4WJ_G8nmaQfz2fbiB7ggeQ&s=19 
    https://www.theblock.co/post/304479/vitalik-buterin-pushes-for-ethereum-to-respond-to-51-attacks-in-a-more-automated-way 

    08:53 Getting Robbed?
    https://x.com/evanincrypto/status/1810377921628123333 

    10:09 Speaking of Crime...
    https://x.com/_b33ts/status/1811171877416792528 

    10:45 Bankless ETHCC Meetup
    https://x.com/BanklessHQ/status/1810629985298006148 

    11:21 Markets
    https://x.com/caprioleio/status/1809146232104988817 
    https://x.com/ArkhamIntel/status/1810611088838279436 
    https://x.com/JoanaCotar/status/1808888782738911614 
    https://www.theblock.co/post/303911/bitstamp-mt-gox-bitcoin-asap-once-arrives 

    15:09 Bullish Factors
    https://x.com/jseyff/status/1809432981573865565?s=46 
    https://www.theblock.co/data/crypto-markets/bitcoin-etf 
    https://x.com/NateGeraci/status/1810731660247453976 

    18:18 ETH ETF Incoming
    https://x.com/EricBalchunas/status/1810331280006861268 
    https://cointelegraph.com/news/ethereum-etf-launch-close-to-finish-line-bitwise-cco 

    19:01 Grayscale ETHE
    https://x.com/SGJohnsson/status/1810420032541020174 
    https://ycharts.com/companies/ETHE/discount_or_premium_to_nav 

    25:53 Good Inflation Numbers
    https://www.barrons.com/news/us-stocks-pause-near-records-after-good-inflation-data-5bb78439 
    https://x.com/WatcherGuru/status/1811377447461339368 

    26:34 Stocks Up, Crypto Uhh?
    https://www.theblock.co/data/crypto-markets/prices/btc-pearson-correlation-30d 
    https://www.tradingview.com/chart/?symbol=NASDAQ%3AQQQ 
    https://x.com/EricBalchunas/status/1808155233274458605 

    30:38 BUIDL $500M Market Cap
    https://etherscan.io/token/0x7712c34205737192402172409a8f7ccef8aa2aec 

    32:48 Tokenized Assets
    https://app.rwa.xyz/treasuries 
    https://fortune.com/crypto/2024/07/10/goldman-sachs-launch-tokenization-bitcoin-etfs-crypto-mcdermott/ 
    https://www.mckinsey.com/industries/financial-services/our-insights/from-ripples-to-waves-the-transformational-power-of-tokenizing-assets 

    35:13 ETH Gas Fees Are LOW
    https://etherscan.io/chart/gasprice 
    https://www.growthepie.xyz/fundamentals/rent-paid 
    https://x.com/lookonchain/status/1808411819700277746 
    https://thedefireport.io/research/sol-discount-eth 

    42:08 Crypto Enters GOP Platform
    https://x.com/nic__carter/status/1810378813089718518?s=46 

    45:31 Donal Trump Joins Bitcoin Conference
    https://x.com/TheBitcoinConf/status/1811181245906506031 

    47:24 The Role of Crypto In Elections
    https://www.grayscale.com/elections 
    https://x.com/RyanSAdams/status/1811033027834708226 

    50:31 Celsius Sues Thousand Of Users
    https://x.com/CelsiusLOC/status/1808137312242479441 

    53:47 Ethereum Story Documentary
    https://paragraph.xyz/@ethereumfilm/not-just-a-film 
    https://www.reddit.com/media?url=https%3A%2F%2Fi.redd.it%2Fblo1x040x8d81.png 

    55:41 Raises
    https://x.com/romeprotocol/status/1810657493875294558?s=46&t=dAxCjT2P_GIrJMvMgWIpfA 

    57:04 Meme of The Week

    58:09 Moment of Zen
    https://x.com/BitwiseInvest/status/1810303321099366453 

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    enJuly 12, 2024

    Why You Should Leave Your Country | Andrew Henderson

    Why You Should Leave Your Country | Andrew Henderson

    Is it a good idea to diversify your citizenship given the current global landscape? 

    We brought on Andrew Henderson, an entrepreneur, a global citizen to nearly a dozen countries around the world, and the founder Nomad Capitalist - a company that helps people maximize their freedom by getting multiple citizenships and passports.

    Hear why considering a second or even a third citizenship might be beneficial, the most crypto-friendly jurisdictions, and what an exit tax entails. Andrew also shares why he renounced his US citizenship and provides insights into the costs and process of obtaining a second passport. 

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    0:00 Intro
    6:04 Where Is Andrew?
    6:52 Andrew’s Citizenships?
    8:26 Audience Overview 
    10:47 Andrew On Multiple Citizenship?
    14:41 Option To Exit 
    21:17 Why Multiple Citizenship?
    29:01 Is Multiple Citizenship Urgent?
    35:20. What Is Exit Tax?
    41:32 Regaining US Citizenship
    46:20 Andrew’s Top 5 Citizenships
    51:36 Dual Citizenship: Factors & Process
    54:30 Who Is It For?
    59:31 Lifestyle Trade-Offs
    1:03:51 Crypto-Friendly Jurisdictions?
    1:06:02 Digital Citizenships?
    1:07:19 Is This Unpatriotic?
    1:10:54 What If There’s No Option?
    1:15:47 Is This Unfair?
    0:23:30 Summary & Resources 
    1:27:21 Closing & Disclosure 

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    Andrew Henderson
    https://x.com/nomadcapitalist 

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    enJuly 10, 2024

    Mike Solana: Trump, Crypto, Tech, Politics & Memetic Wars

    Mike Solana: Trump, Crypto, Tech, Politics & Memetic Wars

    Is the U.S going to be ok?

    Mike Solana (no relation to Solana the chain, that’s his name),is the editor-in-chief of Pirate Wires and the guy who broke the Trump Memecoin news.

    We brought him on the show today to try to make sense of the current state of politics in the face of the upcoming election, and what it all means for crypto.

    Expect to learn why tech has pivoted right, why democrats are cracking down on crypto, why media in 2024 is fundamentally broken and much more.

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    TIMESTAMPS

    0:00 Intro
    7:10 $DJT Memecoin
    16:36 Crypto Politics
    29:39 Mike’s Perspective on Crypto
    34:12 Memetic Wars
    37:58 Growth vs Degrowth
    43:22 Information Wars
    53:35 Social Media
    1:01:52 Being Terminally Online
    1:14:18 Media in 2024
    1:26:30 2024 Election
    1:31:15 Closing & Disclaimers

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    RESOURCES

    Mike Solana
    https://x.com/micsolana  

    Pirate Wires Daily
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    enJuly 08, 2024