ZERT Coffee & Chaos 90 – Why Your Car Might Not Be the Best Place for a Gun

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Welcome back to the Zurich Coffee and Chaos podcast, a show where we talk about anything and everything relating to what it means to be a prepared individual and a survivalist in today's day and age. I'm your host, Chris Bardicon, ZP002, back with me on the show, my co-host Jamie Franks. Jamie, welcome back to the show. Thanks, man. Good to be here. And with that being said, I realize that our names are not up. And look at that. Yeah, well,

I don't know. They, they, they change things all around here. And, uh, there they are. Wrong colors. Oh, yeah. No, no, it looks different too. As we go technology. I'll tell you what, man, it is something here. Uh, we'll have to figure out the color scheme here as we are working this thing all out. There we go. Boom. I got a red. Holy cow. There we go. Technology. It's great. I love it.

AI is taking over. The world is ending at the time of this recording. We are what we are less than a week away from election days. Yes, six days out Tuesday, right?

Is it Tuesday? I thought it was Wednesday, Tuesday. Yeah, you're right. Yeah, you're right. So yeah, we are. We are less than a week here, folks. And again, at the time of this recording, we're still unsure. But by the time you guys listen to this, we will hopefully have been told that there is a new president and president elect a president elect. You're right. And we hope that it is the choice that everyone voted for.

I can be as vague as that. I know how I'm going. I'm pretty sure I know how Jamie is going and I just hope that the rest of America makes the right choice. It's time to look past personality and vote for policy.

With that being said, there's a candidate out there who has proven some policies have worked and others that are another candidate that has not. All we know about that one is that they grew up in a middle class family and they love yellow school buses. Electric school buses. Electric school buses on top of it. So yeah, anyway, enough about that.

You said you hope the person wins that everybody voted for so that means you're hoping that whoever gets the most of the popular vote wins You know, I mean popular electoral. It's all a it's all a big giant mess I hope that there's enough people out there that realize the last four years suck and We're not headed in that same direction It's crazy that

Because really, I mean, whether anybody likes it or not, the electoral map is really what counts. Unfortunately, that's not unfortunate. Otherwise, if you lived in Iowa, your vote would not count because the California and New York would elect every single president ever if there was no electoral college. But that's where I was going with that. It's crazy that because it's always the race to 270 because whoever

Right. Whichever candidate gets 270 electoral votes as who wins the election, it's crazy that like California by itself is 54 electoral votes. And it's it has gone blue. I mean, at a minimum for at least years and not my lifetime, I think I would actually that'd be an interesting Google search with like,

when if ever was the last time California went broke red, but there's basically no chance of that anymore. And that's 54 electoral votes. That's like three states combined. But then you look at states like Georgia.

It never comes down to California. It comes down to states like Georgia, Pennsylvania, like these. But that's because the like there are a number of states on both sides that are just that are a given, like this state is going to be blue and this state is going to be red. And yeah, but the last election, I mean, Pennsylvania has been red.

and it went blue.

Um, and now it's a toss up. So exactly. So now we're back to that. Um, what's scary is Texas. Uh, but the kind of the ideology behind that is there's a lot of people that are leaving California for Texas and that's a, that's a potential problem. So that that's the same thing. Uh, for, um, for four years I was stationed in, uh, Illinois. Uh, that's where I worked as where I was a water survival instructor.

And so and I lived right on the border of Wisconsin and Illinois. And like while I lived there was kind of when Wisconsin went from being read to being purple and like now Wisconsin is mostly a blue state and North Carolina where I grew up.

uh, was deep red when I was a kid and teenager and like now has gone purple kind of leaning towards blue. Um, but it's, these are all, um, it was, it's so stupid when you think about it. It's like,

These are all all three examples that we just cited are results of people that didn't like the way the politics were going Where they lived move somewhere else where it was to be better That that's why you moved because this this place you're moving to is better than the place you're leaving And then they go there and then still vote for the same crap that caused them to leave the place that they left from so like people people from

New York and Ohio, mostly, and actually in a little bit of Pennsylvania, they retire and move to North Carolina and then start voting Democrat. And then people from Illinois retire and move to Wisconsin and start voting Democrat and people. Yeah. I mean, when you look at this map,

You're right. Obviously, California has the most electoral votes. Yeah, it's as much as three other states come on. Right. And what's funny is Texas is not deemed the dark red, which is safe. It is likely Florida. Same thing, likely.

You know, that's 70 votes, 70 electorals right there. I mean, if you win California, Texas and Florida, I mean, it's going to be a very, very uphill battle to get the rest. Especially when you got New York, New York is 28. So, you know,

Those big numbers, I mean, and after New York, there is not a lot of large numbers. I mean, Georgia has, looks like Georgia has 16, North Carolina has 16, you know, Virginia has 13, Virginia is in that likely state, Maine and New Hampshire shopping. Virginia is breaking blue, right? Like that's... It is. Yeah, it is.

Yeah, you've got Michigan like I'm I'm very politically engaged and I I check this stuff like, you know, almost actually I was about to say almost on a daily basis. I think I do check in on a daily basis, but like the last several days when the new polling data has come out like one day Michigan is red the next day it's blue the next day it's red again the next day it's blue again. So that one will be an interesting one because Michigan is 15 electoral votes, I believe, but

Michigan is 15 and right now it's at a toss up, Wisconsin is at a toss up, Nevada, Arizona, Georgia, North Carolina and Pennsylvania. I'm shocked to see

New Hampshire and Maine leaning towards blue, New Hampshire for sure, but that's just, that's a strange, very strange outlook. So again, North Carolina is my home state and the politics of North Carolina have, because you just put it a great way, like the politics of North Carolina have become so strange, like I don't, I can't understand what's happening in my home state where I grew up, like in 2016,

uh, between Trump and Clinton, um, it came down so close that they had to do like two recounts in the state. I think barely broke for Trump like it, which I'd, you know, it's, it's, I guess it's just strange to me. It absolutely insane. Um, you know, I, we can

We can, I never liked to, but we can talk politics and talk this stuff back and forth for a little bit. It's obviously it's a polarizing topic and we never really want to get too deep down the rabbit hole. I'm sure we could and I'm sure we would get all the clicks in the world and all the likes and the views and everyone would be in the comment section.

just engaging in full-on thunderdome, but we try not to do that. We try to keep the show about the important stuff and what it means to be a survivalist and a prepared individual and a smart individual. And that's why today's topic has nothing to do with politics and it has all to do with

Or does making the right choices when it comes to being prepared. I don't know if you've watched this show yet, Jamie. It's on season two. It's on Amazon Prime. And it's called Lioness. No, I think.

Cuz I do have a prime and i believe it keeps coming up like it you know like it shows like recommended for you i think it keeps coming up in my recommended thing but i haven't watched it. It's a it's a very good show it's another Taylor Sheridan show so the guy who did Yellowstone all of that stuff.

An amazing cast of characters, the dynamic between the characters is incredible. As far as known actors, you've got Zoe Zaldana, Nicole Kidman, Morgan Freeman,

The girl who was part of the team, she was on the series Teen Wolf, and the guy who is part of the CIA, he was the dude in Dawn of the Dead, the security guard in Dawn of the Dead, that was the remake, the one who lasted until the end. That's probably it as far as notable characters. You'll see another guy, like there's a guy that plays one of the other team members who was in Yellowstone.

But it's a very good show. I've enjoyed it. And where I'm going with this is in season two, which just dropped, they're putting together a team and they're like, can I get Delta? And they're like, no, you can have some gray men. And I was like, okay, cool, interesting. We'll see where this goes. But as I was writing the title for the show,

How are we spelling gray these days? Just, I got to understand as this goes out on social media, is it G-R-A-Y? Is it G-R-E-Y? I would probably spell it G-R-A-Y, but I just, you know, I, as a kid, opening my box of crayola crayons.

the 48 pack. And I'm pulling out the colors and like reading what the colors were on the crayon. I do remember that the color gray on the crayon was G. R. E. Y. Interesting. But I don't know. Maybe we can the deciding that could be Jennifer from Red Dawn. There you go. Or. Or.

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is going to kind of kick off today. Um, this is a topic you and I have had up for a minute now, right? That we've had like in the hopper. Yeah. Yeah. It's interesting that so in just to go back for a second. Um, so you're saying in this show, lioness, yes, they like some government person requested like a tack team, wanted Delta guys and they said, no, you can have gray men. So yeah.

I don't want to give too much of the show because I know that there are some people out there that are watching it, or maybe have not watched it, but the basis of the show is CIA that uses the unit.

I'm assuming that they're, yeah, they're from the unit. And the lioness program is they embed a, what they're calling a lioness into a terrorist cell. They get close to like the wife or the daughter of a, not so much a known terrorist, but somebody that supports the terrorism like a, that maybe,

you know allows them to access to money or whatnot and they go and they build this relationship and then they obviously they take out the target. I just found it interesting that like in this show that they're referencing like because I haven't seen it presumably like a somewhat organized trained team of government operatives that is somewhat undercover meaning that they're gray or whatever

You know meaning not in uniform whatever and I just I find that interesting from a standpoint that that the gray man thing must be catching on because Just because they said it in a TV show that doesn't mean that that's actually a thing that's that's because I've never me

In the military I've never heard of I've never run across any team of people that were referred to as as a gray man, but But like I think we talked about it before in the movie Civil War There's that scene where those Those guys are assaulting that building against you know what appears to be a military unit and then the guys that are assaulting the building are dudes that quite frankly it looks like the

the people that come to one of my classes because like right because it's it's guys in the Hawaiian shirts and plate carriers and stuff like that and they are they spoiler alert if he hadn't seen the movie when they're assaulting this building they this group of like gray men or whatever like they're they're they're in a battle against the like right now guys and they win so yeah yeah now obviously that that dystopian future from that movie is is you know

Well, it's all make believe, but. Yeah, this show I would go. I mean, just go watch it. The main agency, the three letter agency that is running this program is CIA. And so, you know, I.

I actually called Paul and I was like, hey, is this, yeah, as cool as it is in portrayed in movies or whatnot and TV show? And he had his take on it. I mean, I would probably end up having a phone call with a buddy of mine that was in the unit for many, many years to ask him the same question. Who knows what they can say and what they can't say?

I guess if you look at movies that depict CIA operatives, you've got saying the unit. Are you referring to CIA? No, Delta. Okay. All right. Correct. Okay. Sorry. Yes. Yes. All right. Because the unit would either be the company or the agency. I didn't know if you were referring to the CIA as the unit. So I was going to correct you on that, but you already know. Yeah. So.

One of the, I mean, and I don't know, I can't remember the name of the movie. And I just watched it the other day. I think it's called spy game, Robert Redford, Bradley. I love it. It's one of my favorite movies. Right. Like that's, that's CIA. Um, the movie with, and is it true story? Um, Ben Affleck about the. Oh, uh, Argo. Argo. Right. Um, another one, like,

You got to wonder, right? You got to wonder. Obviously, when you think of CIA, everybody refers to CIA as spies, and you think of the FBI as a federal police department, so to speak. And obviously, there's one that can operate within borders and one that cannot operate within the borders, or not supposed to, correct. So again, but

The funny thing is that Greyman and obviously people that were once in the unit are no longer in the unit. Who knows if the only reason I brought it up is because that means that this idea at least the framework of an ideal of the Greyman has become so prevalent that now it's starting to work its way into into Hollywood and stuff and pop up in different slightly different

It shows up, you know, what's, what's for the Mark four? Like it's, it's a different shades of grime. And, uh, right now, not yet, but, uh, put this idea of being.

the gray man or, you know, in this show you're talking about there, they're straight up calling it that, but I'm seeing more in TV shows and movies of this kind of portrayal of what you and I think of as a gray man is starting to creep into these Hollywood movies and stuff. And there's, there's that new one crap. I wasn't, I didn't think we were going to talk about this, but I was expecting to the movie that the one I sent you the link for the trailer a couple days ago. Oh, right. Yeah.

that's the new one that's coming out from Angel Studios. That seems to have gray man adjacent to her.

We've talked about gray man before and and and you know, and there's that funny video out there I can't remember who put it out a couple months ago. It made its round Homestead me. Yeah, it made its rounds on the internet About you know gray man's how to get a gray man some therapy now or whatnot. It's it's funny It's a funny skit that somebody did it's hilarious. Just search it on YouTube. I'm sure you guys can find it but

There's understanding the concept of Greyman and then fully investing your entire identity around it almost to the point where you're no longer the Greyman. The guy who is dressed in 5'11 from top to bottom with his front satchel fanny pack like you missed the assignment guy.

Yeah. And I would like to point out you're not really using hyperbole. I have seen those people. I've seen the guy that looks like he tripped and fell out of the off the cover of the 511 catalog. And yeah. And like, bro, you're everybody in here knows you have a gun. You're not great. And so it's, it's that thing where when you walk into a room and go, Hey, everybody, I'm the gray man. Well, you're right. Not anymore. Like, oh, that was really loud. And you, you know, and it doesn't just

start and stop with the clothes that you're wearing. It's everything. I mean your entire

It's your entire personality that can and probably will give you away, right? I get it. Nobody wants to sit with their back to the door. Now, you can look at that as the gray man thing, or you could watch a lot of mafia movies. I mean, you know, that's all the same, right? I mean, I don't like to do it. And it's funny.

I was sitting there and I was talking to Kyle once and he says, you know, obviously, if I can sit with my back, not to the door, that's great. But I also know that my wife is more observant than I am. And if she's sitting with her.

face fronting her front facing the door, I know that I'm fine because she's going to be observant just as much. And she was like, and I kind of that resonated with me for a second there, but making sure that you have to get the table in the corner. So nobody's just like, okay, guys, we get it.

Gray man has like tactical implications. I think most of the time when people reference it, but like it definitely is not only that. Um, one of my best friends in the world is a very wealthy person. Um, and if you didn't know him and didn't know anything about him and you just saw him at Walmart, you would think he was like poor as fuck. Like he wears ratty t-shirts and have holes in them and, you know,

cargo shorts from old Navy and a pair of flip flops and he like he kind of looks like a dirt bag and he's actually pretty rich and slow and like that's of that's that's also a version of gray man is just like you know being unassuming or or not

just being that person that people just kind of look past. Right. And again, it goes beyond that, right? You can dress down jeans, a t-shirt, a polo, a flannel, whatever the case may be. Wearing a flannel these days, I mean,

Everybody wears a dixon flannel it seems it's a very popular brand and everybody's got him and and it is what it is i mean it doesn't necessarily label you as anything except that you're just kind of keeping your finger on the pulse of in fashion at the time if flannels happen to go out of style and long sleeve polo shirts come back.

I mean, I'm sure everybody will rock in an under armor, but it goes beyond that. And, you know, we haven't even really gotten into much of what we want to talk about today because we can sit here and go a long ways. But it comes down to, like I said, it starts with you. It also expands to your vehicle.

If you are driving around in your Toyota Tacoma, your Chevy Canyon, all of these new smaller trucks seem to be the fad for your gun bros out there, and you've got the back window from left to right, pasted with stickers like

Molon-Labe and I support the second and we the people and your seat sticker and your Glock sticker and your 3%ers sticker and your sheep dog and your, you know, something about the storm. And I responded, I am the storm and, you know, great. Thanks. I know where to go get a firearm. Should I need one? Go back to the scene and born the born identity, the first one, right?

when Matt Damon is sitting in the, is sitting in the diner with the female and he says, I don't know how I know this, but I know that if I want the guy that walked in can handle himself, I know that if I want to go firearm, it's in the third pickup truck out in the parking lot. Now, who knows what, I mean, but I guarantee you, maybe this, maybe that truck had a SIG so on.

This truck is protected by Sig Sauer. It's like, okay, man. Or the scene at the beginning of 1984, Red Dawn, where the guy has the bumper sticker, you can have my gun when you pry it from my cold dead hand and the Russian soldier prizet from his cold dead hand. Cold dead hands, exactly. So, you know,

that gray man mentality expands past that, right? Like, okay, it doesn't matter if you don't dress in head to toe 511, but you've got your truck plastered with every kind of firearm sticker known to man. And we know that you're keeping a firearm in there. And the whole point and the whole topic of today's conversation and podcast as we are 30 minutes in is

Is a truck gun a necessity or is it just plain dumb? And, you know, I mean, you can look at it a couple of different ways, right? I mean, we all want to be prepared. And there's probably a time to keep a firearm in your vehicle for extended periods of time. And then there's probably everyday situations where it doesn't make a lot of sense.

We're probably going to get into some, some, maybe some data here about how many cars are broken into every hour in the United States. I mean, I think that that's probably a very viable topic to discuss when we discuss this, but I don't know, Jamie, what do you think? I mean, where do you fall on truck guns? I think, um, to answer the question you just posed, which I think was a rhetorical question. So I'll take a lap when we're done, but, um,

You know, is it dumb on one side of the spectrum or is it? I think the other option was necessity. And I think like pretty much everything that we discuss here, it is in the middle. Um, I have a go bag that has a what, I guess what would fall into the category of truck gun in it.

But that go bags not in my vehicle all the time every day. It is very situational dependent and it depends on where I'm going. We've talked at length before about how having a rifle isn't a necessity.

one could argue that your seat belt is also not a necessity. But, you know, if you're listening to this, you probably weren't a seat belt. Right. So it's a nice to have. There are times when, you know, when I do like a risk assessment or, you know, I kind of do the calculus on, which is, I don't know, again, you could argue that the, the, the, the

the calculation I'm doing on whether I take my truck gun, go back today or not, you could tell me that was based on BS and you wouldn't really be wrong because I've, what do we say before? I'm zero for 16,000. I'm approximately 16,000 days old and I've never gotten into a gunfight where I needed a rifle in the United States. So, you know, it's, it really, it

It revolves around what, you know, what you think is necessary, what you think is nice to have, uh, what, what you think your risk assessment is, is going to be, I mean, and maybe I could argue back at you that, well, the reason, the reason I'm zero for 16,000 is because I don't have my head up my butt and because I am prepared. Um, so, so there's, I think the truth lies in the middle. Okay. But let me, let me just challenge that. Cause I, I don't think being prepared and being,

obnoxiously foreshadowing that you are prepared are the same thing. I mean, you can be one without being the other. You don't have to dress in full gear to let everybody know that you're prepared. Yeah, that's right. Right. And that's never the case with me. Right. Like, I don't, I don't dress like tactical guy. I try to dress like

You know what actually like one of the compliments My girlfriend has said is she said like I mean the truth be told I do have my gun most of the time I mean it's it's probably in the 90 percent 90 something percent that I have on you, but right Yeah, but she okay what I was saying is she always says like she never knows whether I have it or not Because I don't I don't

I carry a gun that with my style of dress, I can make it disappear. I'm so used to carrying it and used to having it that it doesn't impede my movements. I don't have to move a certain way like, oh, I can't bend over and get in time I shoot because I've got my gun on. Whether I have my gun or not, you can't tell from an outsider looking at me, you can't tell whether I have it or not. And to me, that was a huge compliment for her to tell me that.

Cause there was, there was a time when we went hiking and I was like, in my hiking clothes, I was in like a, a lightweight moisture wicking athletic t-shirt and my little booty booty shorts, runner range of panty shorts. Right. Right. And she hugged me at the end of the hike and she was like, Oh, you had your gun on this whole time. I'm like, yeah. And I never knew what you have it. And obviously people that carry every day that they're, they know how to do it. Um,

But, you know, going back to that point where that's on you on your person, like, like you just said, like, yes, you've got to go back that you will put in your truck. And I mean, I know that if you're traveling for extended distance, kind of like I am, I will make sure that I have

what I need to, and we've always talked about it, what would I have on me, what was it, and go back to the park where what I have in my truck should get me home. And I will level up as needed, but on the daily,

I don't roll around in my vehicle with a rifle. More importantly, I don't have a sticker on my vehicle that lets anybody know anything about my persona or my personality at all. And I think that's very important. I guess if you feel inclined to keep a gun in your vehicle, whether it be a pistol or a rifle, make sure your vehicle is not shouting out,

I am carrying something in here. And if it is in your vehicle, I guess the question to all of you out there is, is it secured in your vehicle? Is it hidden in your vehicle? The days of the rifle rack on the back window are long gone. I grew up that way. I don't know about you. Yeah, I did. I think we talked about it before. Like I graduated from high school, you know, prior to Columbine ever happening. And I would say,

conservatively i would say at least half of the

Half of the boys that had a driver's license and had a vehicle, had a truck, and then half of those trucks had a shotgun or a rifle on a rack in the back window, like completely, you know, unsecured. You know, you could have stolen it with a rock. You could have taken a rock and broken out the back windows and had those guns. But half the cars in the parking lot were trucks and half the trucks had a long gun in the back window. But that

That is though, the origin of the truck gun. So now I think, again, because like everything has been like hijacked by and I hate this term, but it's the world. Like I always say, except reality on reality's terms, the tactical industry, I hate that. I hate the word tactical in general, because everybody misuses it all the time. But truck gun has been hijacked by the tactical industry and tactical people trying to be tactical tacticianers of tactics.

The origin of the truck gun is like you brought up earlier, you referenced Yellowstone. And I mean, that's a perfect example is there's a, there's a scene that's in the, I don't know, second season of Yellowstone maybe where these like Japanese tourists have like gotten off their bus and are standing five feet away from a bear, like trying to take selfies with the bear. And Kevin Costner rolls up and he's like, you know, what the hell are you people doing? That bear's gonna eat you, get out of here.

and he goes to his truck and he comes back with his Winchester lever action rifle to scare the bear away that actually is the origin of the quote-unquote truck gun is was ranchers and farmers who needed a ranch rifle in their vehicle to shoot a coyote to shoot a wolf that was that was preying on their cattle to scare bears away from Japanese tourists all that kind of stuff right well if you let me just hold on I want to just jump in there if you think about it the origin of the truck gun started with

out the truck and it was the cowboy on the horse with that same rifle. Well, yeah, or the stagecoast, but all of those guys, they're carrying that rifle on a mobile platform, whether it be a horse, a stagecoast, and now obviously it's the truck. So you're right where the history of what we're talking about goes back a long, a long time.

But go ahead, I'm sorry, finish. So that I think in places where there are still modern day ranchers and farmers, I'm sure that version of the truck gun is still alive and well and is probably fine. It's now, but it's moved into the tactical space. And now people in urban areas are thinking that they're doing a good gray man.

Tactical preparedness guy thing by keeping like an AR platform rifle In your truck and then there you know, there's there's all these things that you see on social media. I literally I see them

If, if not every day, probably pretty close to it. I see these, these advertisements because of the algorithm on social media, these advertisements for these things, they're like these, I don't know if they're made, I don't have one. Um, they're either made out of metal or polymer, but it's like this molly panel that you mount to the back of your seat and you can put your rifle in there. And it looks really awesome. Like it really like, I mean, you know, the, the gun display that's behind me, it basically, it turns the back of your seat into a version of that. Um, but.

Like that scratches my OCD or organization itches where I like the aesthetic. I like the display of having the gun and the magazine and the pouch and the thing and the med kid and my helmet and my night vision goggles, you know, it's fantasy because it's like when I was a kid,

And i watched the a team and there's it wasn't in every episode but there were some scenes where they go to the a team van and they open up the secret panel in the a team van and there's like all the guns in the thing you know it's like when john wick opens his gun locker and all that you know everybody likes that stuff but that's that's why it's in movies is because it's a fantasy and.

I do think there's a right way to execute the truck gun in the modern tactical urban environment. And I just think most people are doing it wrong. And I think like those ads that I'm seeing on Facebook and Instagram on a near daily basis.

that are trying to get you to put your rifle into a rack on the back of your passenger seat that can be cut off with with my pocket knife and and now I have all your stuff that that's not the smart right way to do it so okay so you think now but do you think that it's a daily occurrence that needs to happen so if you're driving seven miles to work do you need to

keep the firearm in your vehicle or are you good with the firearm that you're carrying and then you can level that up with more magazines or whatever that you keep in your vehicle. I mean, I think there should be a fine line because, you know,

There is a sign line. And like, like all of these things, there is not a one size fits all. If there was, then that would be what everybody does. Because even even the example that you just gave was a very basic example. And I like it because even in such a very basic example, there's so many variables at play there. The example you just gave was guy who drives seven miles to work. Does he need a truck gun in the truck?

Does where you work have a secured parking lot? Do you have to like scan a badge to go in and park inside of a fenced area that's secured with a security guard or something where you can be reasonably sure that your vehicle is not going to get broken into or messed with? Maybe? If not, then you need to rethink, okay? Are you driving straight from home to work and then from work straight back home? Or am I stopping at Walmart?

That needs to be a consideration because once you have your gun in your truck, you can't undo that. So now you either have to not stop at Walmart or you really have to roll the dice and really hope that nobody's going to break into your truck and steal your rifle while you're in Walmart buying coffee creamer. So even in such a basic example, there's lots of variables that- And some of those obviously,

what you drive also comes into the equation here, right? So I drive a pickup truck with a hardcover, a Tanu hardcover, and obviously you can lock the tailgate. Inside of that truck, I know that Pelican makes a bunch of different

cases, if you will, or storage boxes that bolt into the truck and then can be locked inside of there. So you have a locked box inside of a locked pickup truck that is not in the back of the truck or in the cab of the truck, if you will, a cabin of the truck, which adds a level or a couple levels of deterrence is all we're going to say here, because if somebody wants in, they can get in. If they steal your truck,

They've got all the time in the world to get into whatever it is that you've got inside the vehicle. So when's the last time?

What's the last time in the last person, you know, they got their car stereo stolen. So not car stereo, but I'm glad you asked that question. So in 2023, more than 1 million vehicles were stolen in the United States, which is about one vehicle every 31 seconds. And that's the whole vehicle being stolen. The whole vehicle. This is a 25% increase from the previous years and the highest rate of vehicle theft since 2008 recession. Now,

The stereo is in the vehicle if the vehicle stolen. So there's one number for you. That number probably changes when it's just vehicle broken into.

and stuff taken out. So yeah, so I specifically asked car stereo because you probably you probably can't even remember the last time that you had somebody steal a car stereo. But when you and our teenagers, that's when there was the whole fad about the removable faceplate off the stereo and it came with like when you bought your car stereo, it came with like a little carrying case.

And teenage Jamie was walking around in my leather bomber jacket with the face plate of my car stereo in the inside pocket of my leather bomber jacket. But you don't have to do that anymore because people don't steal car stereos anymore. So I don't even know. I don't know if you have this statistic. I didn't know you had that one at hand. But in my neighborhood, I actually live in a very nice low crime neighborhood, one of the highest

I actually probably the highest crime instance in my neighborhood, in my community, is vehicle prowling is what they call it. And it's a time game, and it's a path of least resistance game. I've got security cameras on the outside of my house, and I've seen it actually several times. And when I say several, like more than six times, I've gotten footage.

of people in black hoodies coming around that night and walking down my street and just pulling on the door handles of every car. And they'll eventually get to one that's unlocked. And that person did not, I guarantee you, I 100% guarantee you, that person did not leave their car unlocked on purpose. That person whose car was unlocked thought they locked it.

Yeah, of course. So guy with truck gun probably thought he locked his car also. And, but it, and mistakes happen. Uh, so negligence is one thing, but also mistakes happen, but vehicle prowling, um, is very prominent in, in my neighborhood, which is actually a really nice low crime area. Um, they rarely break out windows because they know if they go, if they, if they roll the day, if they pull the handle on the slot machine enough times, eventually they're going to come up with a win.

that people accidentally leave their cars unlocked all the time. But at that point, it becomes a time game because they don't want to make a bunch of noise. They don't want to look suspicious. They don't. And like I said, then it becomes a path of least resistance game. They're just going to take whatever they can grab and carry. So you hit on a very good point earlier that

If you are going to have a truck gun and if you're going to have it in your vehicle, kind of on a normal, like maybe not an everyday basis, but like a normal commuting situation where you're, you know, again, using that very basic scenario that you described, a person driving to work, driving home.

Maybe you're going to run a couple of errands on the way to or from work or whatever. If you have a, these are the three key words locked, hard-sided, hard-mounted.

thing in your container in your vehicle, I think you would be okay in 99% of vehicle, I mean, obviously if they steal the whole car. That's the catch all. But in my neighborhood, cars don't really get stolen, cars get prowled and broken into. And so I had, I'm pretty sure I've told you about this. It was a few years ago when I still had my forerunner,

And just to Chris's point, I drove a plain white forerunner that had a rescue swimmer sticker in the back window. And now I drive a Subaru Outback that has a rescue swimmer sticker in the back window. And that's it. No tactical indications of anything. But in my forerunner, I'm actually still looking for one that fits in the Outback. But in the forerunner, I had it was called a Monster Vault.

And it was actually a steel like gun safe. It wasn't fire rated or anything, but it was a steel gun safe that had a, a really high quality lock that was hard mounted to the vehicle. Like they're like without, without some kind of angle grinder or saw or something. You were not stealing this, this safe out of my vehicle. It was hard mounted down, locked, secure. I did a,

We had like a long, we had like a four day weekend off work. And so some friends and I went camping up in the mountains here in Southern California. And we had the four day weekend, but then I deliberately took the next day off of work as well. And I got home late Sunday night and all of my stuff was still in my forerunner. And if you know me, all of my camping gear is pretty high quality, pretty high priced stuff.

I pulled into my driveway late Sunday night and I was tired and I was like, you know what, I'm just gonna, I'm gonna leave all this stuff in here. I'm gonna unpack it in the morning. That night, and my girlfriend came over that night because she hadn't seen me in a few days and she, I drove a Toyota 4Runner. She drove a Toyota Corolla.

That night, my security camera, I was asleep. My security camera captured these two dirtbags roll up in a beater, like old 90s, 1990s, beater, Ford Ranger. And they got out and they had some sort of electronic device in their hand. And because both of our vehicles were Toyota's, I assume they were able to unlock both of our vehicles. And

My girlfriend at the time lived in Los Angeles. And so she was smart enough to never leave anything in her vehicle. So they literally unlocked her vehicle, opened it. They took nothing out of her car because there was nothing in there for them to steal. Then they went to my car and they hit the mother load. They had like all of my camping gear, my survival kit, my med kit, everything. Like I think all told it was like $14,000 worth of stuff. It was Oakley sunglasses. It was, they stole my checkbook that was in there, which calls a lot of problems. They like,

Uh, they stole my tools that were in the back of the truck. Like, I mean, they, they took their time and they literally stole everything. They stole a jacket that I'd worn in Afghanistan. So anyway, well, well, let me just hang on. Oh, go ahead. The only thing that they did not steal and they did not touch was I had that vault in there that did have guns and magazines and ammo in it. And they weren't

Like that was the only thing, and thankfully, that they were not able to get into, they weren't able to steal, they weren't able to take it. They could have stolen the whole vehicle, I suppose, but they didn't. Right. Yeah. But you bring up a good point and that, you know, I think that's something for people that are listening to take home with them as well.

be careful with what you do keep in your vehicle. Like, it's funny, when I lived in St. Louis, my car got broken into. I did not have much in there. They took the change that was in the ashtray. This was when A, cars had ashtrays and B, you would put pocket change in there. But they stole that and they stole a checkbook.

And if I sit here and think about it, I do not have a checkbook in my vehicle now. I don't keep one in there any longer. So that's a good, that's a good point because the funny part about mine was I didn't realize that my car had been broken into right away. It wasn't until a couple hours later, like I got in, something seemed wrong. And you're right. I either, I might have forgotten to lock the car, but there was nothing broken. There was no window broken. So.

If you happen to have your car rifled through and there's no broken window and stuff stuff has been taken, you never know like don't keep a spare set of keys in your vehicle.

Uh, if you've got a garage door opener in there, like that's another thing. Like, I mean, those are some things that you need to be cognizant of outside of the firearm situation. Granted, you can have a Kate, uh, like you said, a vault for your firearms, but there's a lot of stuff. So it's so funny that you say that because the not to get too far off topic, but the, the, the morning after my, my forerunner got broken into and, and, uh, everything was stolen. Um,

I went out just like every other morning. And so the forerunner, when you locked it, it would go beep. And when you unlocked it, it would go beep beep. Yeah. When I went out that morning and hit the unlock, it just did the single beep. And I was like, Hmm, that's weird. And I was taking my daughter to daycare. And I saw I put my daughter, uh, she was old enough to climb in and put herself in the car seat. So I didn't have to put her in the car seat. So.

She got in the back and climbed up into her car seat and I went and got in the driver's seat. And the glove compartment was open. And that was the second, like, huh, that's weird. And then it's like in slow motion, I was like, Oh, no. And then I turned around and looked. And that's when everything clicked in the place that.

Last night, this forerunner was like full of camping gear and equipment and now everything's gone. Shit. That's the worst. Yeah. Like you said, no broken window. No, nothing because I had I actually and here's the here's the last little kicker and then we'll move on. I had video footage of these dudes and their vehicle. You couldn't see their faces because they were wearing like black clothing and and I think they were either wearing hats or hoodies or whatever.

But you could see in my survey, my security camera video, you could see their vehicle. I don't think the license plate was was visible or legible, but you could see the two individuals. You could see the vehicle. You could see what color it was approximately what make and model and year and all that stuff. It was. And you could see they had an electronic device that unlocked my car and my girlfriend's car.

I said, Hey, cops, I have this video footage. Do you want it? And they were like, nah, not interested. Just, uh, your insurance company. Like, yeah. I mean, yeah, you know, who can't really speak to what made them decide to do that. But that seems a little bit, uh, it seems a little bit, um, naive or just non or just lazy. Anyway, um, you know,

losing camping gear, regardless of the monetary value of it sucks. But having a firearm stolen is a whole separate and higher level of suck, because the implications and what happens after that, especially if it gets used

in a situation that, uh, I know somebody that happens to. Yeah. Hey, you had his house broken into and he had a, it wasn't an AK-47. It would, it would, but it was an AK-47, but, uh, um, there's a, it's a whatever. What do people call it? It's a waster tin is the proper name for it. It's not actually an AK-47, but it's an AK-47. Anyway, got his house broken into, got it stolen and then like 12 years later, the police recovered this gun used in a crime and then, yeah. So.

Yeah. Now, you know, where does that put him in the situation? Where does that put you as the individual? If your car is broken into you file a police report, you let them know that there was a firearm in there. I'm not too sure. What does that mean for you as a

civilian who's carrying a firearm that may not be secured in a lockbox in your firearm. Again, not sure and not sure where the laws sit. I'm sure as you're all aware, we do have an affiliate with

US Law Shield, and I know that there are probably professionals that work for US Law Shield that can give that kind of information. So if you're interested, make sure you guys are aware of that for any of your carry questions or needs. They have lawyers that can answer stuff like this before you decide to keep a firearm in your vehicle that is not secured. I think that's going to potentially

or possibly play a big role in if something happens. Making sure that, I mean, if you are going to carry a firearm in your vehicle, it's not directly

visible, right? Like, don't, well, no, and I don't mean, I don't mean the firearm in itself, but like, if you've got a bag on the backseat that looks like it's a range bag, look like it's a, you know, I mean, that's just easy pickings right there. My little bag looks like a gym bag. Like it does not look tactical at all. In fact, it's made by, I think it's made by Hurley, the like the surfing brand.

Yes, yeah, and and here's the other thing guys. I mean, we all love vertex. I know I love vertex, but

It doesn't take much more than a Google search to realize what vertex bags are and what they are not. And this is something we talked about in our Bug Out bag episode way back at the beginning when we started this podcast. You need to tailor your Bug Out bag to what environment you live in. And I would say the same thing goes for your go bag or your truck gun or whatever, because out here,

where I live, like drug cartel operatives are a real thing. Like that's not just something you saw on an episode of Breaking Bad. Like out here where I live, there are actually drug cartel people and those people know what a vertex bag is. Like those people know what they're looking for. Yeah. Now that doesn't mean, again, what not to do is to make sure that your whatever situation bag in your vehicle

Whether it has firearms, ammunition, or other items of that sorts is the FDE bag with all of the molly straps on the outside. Again, not something that's going to deter anybody. They know what that is. Figure out what bag makes sense, what bag works.

And, uh, and what, like, again, I just want to hit this one again. Like if you're going to put some kind of container in your vehicle, make sure it has a good lock that it's lockable. If it's, if you're, if it's something that has padlocks on it, use multiple padlocks and use padlocks that are keyed different. That's another thing that I've, I've done, uh, but it needs to be lockable with good lock, hard sided, hard mounted because, uh, don't buy junk.

I'm not going to use any brand names, but there are certain brand names out there that are popular and well known, but they really are kind of junky in terms of like being a quote, unquote, a vehicle, pistol safe. And some of them have like the stupid, like bicycle cable lock. And you're supposed to put your gun in this like locked gun box. Yeah. And then cable lock it to your to like where to your seat mount.

Well, let's, let's, let's do our, let's do our listeners a favor and let's, what are those brands? I mean, let's, let's definitely tell them what to steer away from. I mean, and, and they can do their own research, but they should know what to do research on. Do you have a, I mean, I, I know which one you're talking about. Is it, I mean, does Hornady make something like that? Yeah. Well,

Yeah, I, cause there's, I think there's one that's called vault tech and there's one that's just called gun vault. Um, well, so here's what I got to say about vault tech. I have a vault tech, um, lock box. And it's the one that Koleom Noir pushes. Uh, and I will get the brand here in a second. Um, I got to tell you it is, it's awesome.

It's called the vault tech life pod I am a huge fan of that and what I got it for if you guys so if you guys want to check that out just go to vault tech that's VA you L T E K and I met with them at shot show trying to get them on as an affiliate company to be honest with you because their life pod is amazing it is

You know, I mean, it's the size of probably a large hardcover novel. And it's either got it's got a four number keypad. And there's also one with a, I think a biometric thumb scan, but it holds a firearm, a magazine, it holds some documents. I got it for what I wanted when I was traveling a lot. And I always travel with a firearm. If I can.

And it was great. It held firearm, two spare mags, my knife, all in one box and didn't have to worry about a padlock on top of it. So. Well, and that's why, like, I didn't want to because a lot of these names are similar and I want to misspeak and tell some and call out somebody being junk and it's not the one I used. You mentioned Shot Show.

I met these people at Shot Show and they sent me one for free. And that's why I had that monster vault in my forerunner. And it was awesome. There's one. Yeah. Hornady ones are junk. I'm seeing Tuffy, T-U-F-F-Y. Those are crap. There's one. My buddy has it in his Jeep. And I think this is it. It's...

Shoot, I can't now. I can't find it Cuz there there's I don't drive a Ford again. Oh Guardian is the one it's so guardian. My buddy has it in his Jeep

and it basically takes the existing factory center console and then it's an insert that slides down inside the center console and then hard mounts to the chassis or not the chassis but to the body of the vehicle and so somebody come in by and looking through your window it's just going to look like you have the normal center console but it actually turned his center console into a

An actual legit you know gun safe and like I said the one I had was monster vault and but yeah There's some ones to steer away from I would just say do your research, but anything you're gonna put in your vehicle Don't use the ones that are like the cable lock. I've even seen ones that like that

don't even like really lock down. They, they kind of their friction fit like between your seats or the little magnets and like, you know, stuff like that. You're really, you're just asking for trouble really. Um, like, and I like this is kind of a way that I keep myself in check because my little gun bag with my trip, with my trip gun. Um, it's in a gym bag. And so like that's, that's the constant.

devil and angel tapping on my shoulder going, hey, idiot, take this with you. So when I do have it in my car, most of the time, I only put it in there when I'm going somewhere. Like I've said this before, like if I'm staying in a hotel, that bag is definitely coming with me, but it's coming into my hotel room with me. I'm not leaving it unattended in the back of my car. So yeah, that's huge.

Yeah, but that's obviously that's important because I think a lot of these things like that that thing that mounts to the back of your seat or You know if you buy some kind of pelican case or or hard case or one of these gun vaults or gun boxes or whatever I think you're kind of

you're giving yourself a false sense of security because you're telling yourself well my guns in something so it's fine oh yeah no i agree so so so this right here is the vault tech life pod and it's a dark picture so you can for those of you that are looking at it's a it blew and they make a bunch of different colors and they've got these latches on the side there once you hit the numbers they release but

And here's the inside of it and it comes with that little, that's probably an additional attachment you can get. But it's not secured anywhere. And like I said, for me, this was for traveling. I would not put this in my vehicle and think that my firearm, my pistol was saved by any stretch of the imagination. I will take that with me if I'm going to somebody's house where there may be children and I want to secure my firearm

at night because obviously I can access it. But that's a different situation. When it comes to a truck gun or a firearm in your vehicle,

You've got to weigh all of the options as far as securing it. And like you just said, if you're going someplace overnight, well, you bring that in with you, whether it's a hotel, whether it's somebody's house, you don't leave your house or your house, exactly. You know, the reason I don't carry a rifle with me in my vehicle when I'm traveling my seven miles to HQ is because I've got a rifle.

at HQ and I've got a rifle at my house. So I don't necessarily feel the need because like I've said in many a times and it's you've heard me say it. What I have on me gets me to my vehicle. What I have in my vehicle gets me to my house or here at the HQ where I've got more. I've got more and I don't need it. So I don't need to. Now, again, if what I have on me and I happen to be in my office and the on me happens to be the rifle next to me, well,

I've leveled up without having to get those other steps out of the way. But that's my choice, and that's my preference. Well, speaking of your choice, do you have a truck gun? Or do you have a gun that you would consider your truck gun? And if you do, what is it?

God, I do. I do have one in the vehicle. And it is the 19 X. And it has the level up of an OWB holster. And it is, you know, again, it's there's a couple of spare magazines for that. But

I don't always carry a Glock, so obviously I've got a spare magazine for the P320, I've got a spare magazine for my 48 in there, I've got a spare magazine for the 365 macro in there, and I've got AR magazines in there.

That's my level up bag, whether you want to call it a get home bag or whatnot, but that's the level up kit. So that's the secret hidden box that you find in a video game that levels your character up. So that's what I keep in the vehicle. I don't know. That's whether it's right wrong or indifferent. That's my choice. What about you?

So my like my carry gun is my carry gun. I have two primary carry guns on a day to day basis. Like I said, in the in the 90 percentile of the time or higher, I'll either have my Glock 43 or my Glock 48 on me. Those are my basically I do like there's a I have I have a P 320.

X compact that I carry like every once in a while. I really I just bought it because I wanted it really. But my two primary carry guns are my Glock 43 and my Glock 48. And so my carry gun is my carry gun. I would not call that my my truck gun. And which by the way, I just I should have said this at the top. I just I really that's why I keep making fun of it. I hate that I hate the term truck gun. I just think it sounds stupid. But but

the gun that I have that I would consider my quote-unquote truck gun. It's a rifle, it's a BCM rifle. I forget which model it is, but it's the 13.7 inch.

BCM rifle with a with the 13.7 inch barrel with the pendant welded surefire work up. Yeah, that that makes it 16 inches. So that's the shortest barrel configuration that can still be a rifle without having to be a pistol.

and that's why it fits in that little

uh, Trigicon MRO and that gun has the my PEC 15 on it. I don't always carry my night vision goggles, but I figure that that's kind of my shit hit the fan gun. So yeah, my PEC 15s on there has a surefire light, but yeah, that that would be my truck gun. Um, but like I said, I never leave it in the vehicle. If it comes with me, it's coming with me.

But I don't take it every day. I do like a little risk assessment. Sometimes I carry it. Sometimes I don't. But when I do have it, it never, it never stays unattended in my vehicle. Yeah. Yeah. And that obviously that makes a lot of sense. I don't really do the rifle situation here. And, you know, we've had.

at length discussions on rifle versus pistol in in my world and what makes sense to me. You know, yeah, and so just to round that out in my little go bag, it's the folded up rifle. I call it a bank robber chess rig. So the store the rifle in the bag with a magazine in it. So that's one magazine.

and then I have the little bank robber chess rig with four mags in it. So I have five rifle magazines and then also in the little bag is my SIGM 17 with in a safari land holster on a true north concepts modular holster adapter. So I can just click that onto my belt and have an OWB

holster with pistol with the SIGAM 17. And then I have there's a magazine in it. And then I have a magazine pouch with three magazines in it. So I've got a total of five rifle magazines, a total of four pistol mags, a holster, mag pouch, chest rig. I have the really thin lightweight low profile armor plates from Oh, shoot. I'll think of it on a slick plate carrier. And then

a little mini, like just empty, like day pack, backpack and it's all in my little go bag. Okay. So that's, that's all in the bag that you decide to throw in your truck when you decide to bring your firearm, your vehicle firearm with you. Yep. Okay. Now is there, is there a distance and location? Um,

I guess deciding factor when you decide to pull that into put that in play. There's not like a set distance. My armor plays her by defender armor D F N D R armor that's super super light super low profile super thin armor plates. But anyway, like if I'm going so.

You know, call a spade a spade. Like I know if I go to Los Angeles this weekend, most of this past weekend, I was in Los Angeles and I had that bag in my car the whole time because I know if I'm in Los Angeles and something happens, I'm probably going to be on my own. Like if I call the cops, they're probably not coming.

And also, like I've talked about this before, if anybody is listening and doesn't know, and the way they build freeways here in Southern California is the freeways are kind of like dug into the ground kind of, and on the sides of the freeways are just like straight up walls.

So, you know, in a time where we live in where Antifa or Hamas or Black Lives Matter or whatever, they decide they want to do a protest or whatever and shut down the freeway or lock down the freeway or block the freeway. Or if some kind of big emergency happens in the freeway is stopped or blocked or shut down, you're basically, you're in this

channel with vertical concrete walls on each side. And so if I have to leave my vehicle and go on foot, I'm going heavy and loud, man. But one of the things you said, anytime I'm going anywhere where I'm staying in a hotel, I take it anytime I'm going to like a big population center like that, where I'm far away from home, I'm taking it. Anytime we talk, we had a whole other episode about triggers.

Right. An example is if you hear on the news that they have ceased all airline travel, that means something bad is happening. Right. But I want to go back to what you said. You said you were in Los Angeles all weekend and you had that in your car. So you go for lunch, you're not taking that bag out of the car with you. So you're leaving that and you're assuming that risk for the time that you're in there where that could get

could get stolen, right? I mean, I think that's Yeah, in the broad strokes. Yeah. But I mean, there again, there's I have my carry gun on my person and my vehicle is with insight. So I don't I don't I don't leave if if that bags in there, I don't ever the cars never out of my sight really. And I mean, unless I go into the bathroom or something for, yeah, to be okay. So yeah, so I guess so yeah, you you make a good point. Nothing is 100%. You know, right? Right.

So, you know, listen, guys, this is this is a obviously it's an opinion piece, whether you think that having a vehicle in your firearm is a good choice or a bad choice is all dependent on

your life, your situation and your daily activities. We would love to hear what that is in the comments section, whether it is on YouTube or it is on Spotify or Apple, please let us know what you think. Do you think it is a not necessary situation or do you think it's extra gray man and all should

partaking it. Like I said, I know what I believe and I do carry one, but I also don't. I'm pretty sure that I don't have a signal out there saying, Hey, look at my vehicle. There's one here. But again, it's all what you guys think. As we wrap today's episode up,

we want to hear your feedback so we can understand what you guys think as well. So as always, thank you guys for being here. We could probably go on when it's about firearms for days, but we like to keep it respectful for you guys. So until next time, you guys stay safe. Jamie? Yeah, so I'll close out with this. I think this is one of those things that kind of comes with age. I think that's just the way it is. But don't

Try not to be one of those people where you, you have to wrap your identity into your vehicle. Like we're in your mind, you are Toyota Tacoma guy or that you're F one 50 guy. And because that, that really, you know, like,

I think I'm a pretty prepared, smart, tough, strong, trained guy, and I drive a Subaru outback, and that's not an accident, because that's a vehicle that has a lot of storage space. It's a vehicle that's off-road capable, but it's a vehicle that people are just going to look past. When I look in the mirror, I don't see a Subaru outback guy, because I'm not

I'm not turning my vehicle into my identity, but when you do that, you're typically you're making something that stands out in one way or another and it doesn't have to be like a Jeep or a Tacoma. You could be.

Dodge Hellcat guy or whatever in your mind, but you don't have to have a bright orange Dodge Hellcat. This can draw a bunch of attention. Think about things like that. Think about being the gray man. It's funny that we were recording this today because this morning, I had to run to the grocery store real quick this morning, and there was a homeless guy outside the grocery store.

And I'm not going to go into the wise, but this morning I was wearing two watches. I had a watch on my right wrist and a watch on my left wrist, but like, who cares? The homeless guy asked me for money and I told him, no. And as I was walking away, he's like, well, you're wearing two watches, you must have something. And like, so.

People are people do notice like you may you may think you're a gray man ended up but people that are looking for because you know homeless people are predatory or parasitic whatever however you want to look at it but he's a guy that's that's

He's the guy that's noticing because he's selectively choosing who he's going to ask for money and who he's going to approach. And he noticed that I was a guy that had two watches on, two nice watches on my wrist. And he noticed, so anyway, don't think people don't notice. People do notice. So when you're going so extreme into the gray, you're probably not gray anymore. So anyway, just think about that because it's easy to be hard and it's hard to be smart.

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