What Happened After This A-List Celebrity Cried for Deported Criminals
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January 28, 2025
TLDR: Dave Rubin discusses Selena Gomez's emotional reaction to migrant deportations, Trump's response, and a viral video of Obama/Biden past immigration views; Kaitlan Collins' failed question to border czar Tom Homan. Also covered are Tucker Carlson's amazement over AI importance, Peter Thiel’s insights on AI dangers, and more.

In a recent episode of "The Rubin Report," host Dave Rubin addressed a controversial Instagram post by pop star Selena Gomez, in which she expressed her emotional response to the mass deportation of undocumented migrants in the U.S. The discussion spiraled into a broader conversation about immigration policies, public sentiment, and the changing political landscape. This summary outlines key insights from the episode, particularly regarding immigration, celebrity activism, and the influence of media narratives.
Selena Gomez’s Reaction to Deportations
Selena Gomez's now-deleted video, where she shed tears over the deportation of migrants, received significant backlash online.
Key Takeaways:
- Public Response: Many criticized Gomez for what they viewed as misplaced sympathy towards individuals who may include serious criminals among the deported.
- Gomez's Background: Critics highlighted her American success story while questioning why she aligns herself so closely with undocumented migrants, particularly in light of her father’s detachment from their family.
Trump's Response
Former President Donald Trump responded to Gomez's outcry, pointing out that many deported individuals have committed serious crimes and urging her to focus on the truth.
Trump's Main Points:
- Focus on Victims: Trump emphasized the need to consider the victims of crimes committed by undocumented migrants rather than sympathizing solely with the deported.
- Pop Culture and Politics: The intersection of celebrity opinions on critical issues like immigration reflects broader societal divides.
The Changing Landscape of Immigration Sentiment
Rubin shared statistics showing a significant shift in public opinion towards Republican views on immigration since Trump’s administration.
Notable Statistics:
- In 2017, Democrats held an 11-point advantage on immigration issues. Now, Republicans enjoy a 22-point lead among voters as of 2025.
- Public trust in Republican immigration policies has surged, evident from polling data illustrating a 33-point shift in under a decade.
CNN's Coverage and Missteps
The episode also touched on CNN's attempts to question Trump's immigration policies through Kaitlan Collins, whose questions often backfire.
Key Observations:
- Mainstream Media Dynamics: The left's portrayal of immigration has increasingly morphed into criticism of deportations, despite a rising number of Americans supporting stricter immigration enforcement.
- Crisis of Credibility: CNN's attempt to frame immigration issues negatively illustrates their struggles to align with shifting public sentiments.
Insights from Experts on Technology and AI
A part of the podcast shifted focus to a discussion about technology and artificial intelligence, featuring insights from Chamath Palihapitiya and Peter Thiel on the importance of technological supremacy in America’s future.
Key Points Discussed:
- AI Development Race: The rivalry between the U.S. and China regarding technological advancements, particularly in AI, highlights the urgency for America to maintain its position as a leader in innovation.
- Risks of Complacency: Experts warned against the dangers of falling behind in the AI race, particularly as China develops competitive technologies at a fraction of the cost of American solutions.
The Florida Immigration Debate
The episode also delved into the contentious immigration bill being debated in Florida, led by Governor Ron DeSantis.
Main Issues Raised:
- Legislative Tensions: A significant divide exists between Florida's legislature and DeSantis regarding immigration enforcement powers.
- Impact on Local Jurisdictions: The proposed changes could dilute the governor's authority, complicating response efforts to illegal immigration in the state.
Conclusion
The podcast episode provides a lens into the intersections between celebrity activism, public sentiment on immigration, and broader geopolitical concerns regarding technology. By dissecting Selena Gomez's emotional reaction alongside expert opinions on AI and political dynamics, Rubin emphasizes the rapidly evolving context of American legal and cultural landscapes that warrant close attention and action.
Engaging with the Broader Issues:
- Call for listeners to think critically about the narratives surrounding immigration and the responsibilities of public figures in shaping those discussions.
- Encouragement to remain informed about technological developments that could define the future of national and global dynamics.
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That is my kind of meme right there. You think you spend a lot of time on the internet wasting your life, and then you see something like that, a man banging on drums, Selena Gomez crying, Donald Trump dancing, and you're like, it's all worth it.
It's all worth it. The giant time suck. Hello, everybody. I'm Dave Rubin. This is the Rubin Report. It's January 28th, 2025. We are live streaming on Rumble YouTube and Locals. As always, we got a post game show, RubinReport.locals.com. And I think I can make an early prediction here. This might be our most packed and longest show ever. I'm warning you, clear out the rest of your day, people. There is a ton going on. I got a lot of paper on the desk. And there's some crazy stuff happening in Florida right now. So about 15 minutes ago,
I texted Governor Ron DeSantis' team to see if he could join us live on the show today, and he will be joining us about halfway through. And I just want to give you a little context, and then we'll do the show as is, and then the governor will jump in in the middle, and then we'll finish up after. We'll do a normal narrative show. But a friend of mine
Sent me this video. This is a five-second video. This is from South Florida yesterday, okay? This is a very nice area of coral gables and about 20 Chinese migrants were found in a truck and there they are right there. And this is coming on the backdrop of during Christmas week, there was a U-Haul found with about 30 Chinese migrants, illegals. What are these people doing here?
I want to show you something because there is now a big fight in the Florida legislature, and you know on this show, we never say anything negative about Florida, right? Florida can do no wrong, and that's usually correct. But there is a huge fight between the legislature right now and Governor DeSantis over the immigrant situation and the deportations. Check this out. They're trying to hand the, do we have the image there?
There we go. This is from the Miami Herald. If adopted, the legislative changes pushed by House Speaker Daniel Perez and Senate President Ben Albritton would render DeSantis virtually powerless over immigration enforcement in Florida. All that authority would go to Agriculture Commissioner Wilton Simpson and his office, which would be armed with more than 500 million to help
enforce federal immigration laws in the state. So look, we'll get to much more of this with the governor in a little bit, but basically the Florida legislature in a place like Florida that is so functional and law abiding and doing everything right is trying to take away the governor's power to work with the federal government to get these illegals out here and hand immigration issues to the Department of Agriculture.
And do you think that's maybe because the Department of Agriculture wants immigrants and illegals here to pick the fruits and vegetables? Do you think it might have a little something to do with that? Well, DeSantis tweeted about that this morning. Anyway, let's put that aside for the moment. In case you can't tell, I'm feeling quite passionate about this because I think this is a perfect example of how even in a place where things work, we cannot let our guard down.
And DeSantis has a major fight on his hands, and I'm going to say the Florida man's going to win this one. But we'll have more with the governor in a bit. I want to get to the main story of the day if you did not see this yesterday. Selena Gomez, you know this chick, you know me, I'm more of a Tina Turner guy. But Selena Gomez was very, as she's a singer, musician, I guess. She's very upset about what Trump's doing at the border. She posted this, and it burned up the Internet.
I just wanted to say that I'm so sorry. Only people are getting attacked with children. I don't understand. I'm so sorry I wish I could do something but I can't. I don't know what to do. I'll try everything I've seen.
Okay, so highly emotive Selena Gomez, who also is an actress. So I don't know if there's a crocodile tears or if it's all performative or what, but let's say it's somewhat genuine there. She's talking about all her people are being deported and kids. I mean, so far from what we have seen in this week, it has been criminals. It has been drug dealers. It has been child molesters. I don't know why she's so upset about all of that. Benny Johnson had an interesting tweet with a little bit of her bio.
Selena Gomez is American. Her mom is American. Her Mexican father abandoned them. She went from living in this small Texas home to this $5 million palace in Los Angeles. She's a billionaire because of America, yet she does not consider us, her people. We are over on grateful woke victim brain rot.
largely. I think America agrees with Benny because she got major pushback on that and she deleted the video. Now we'll have more on the fallout from that in a moment, but let's jump over to CNN because when I tell you that Trump 2.0 is here and the Trump effect is here and we've had an just an extraordinary
cultural change in this country. Well, how about we show you some numbers from CNN of all places because now they cannot hide the fact that America is with Trump when it comes to immigration.
What am I saying? I just want to know how different things are from where we were when Donald Trump first took office and how much more the American people are on the side of Republicans than they were eight years ago. So trust which party more on immigration. You go back to April of 2017. Look at this. The Democrats held an 11 point advantage over Republicans. So Americans were not liking what Donald Trump and the Republican Party was doing back at the beginning of his first term.
Look at where they are now, though. Paul Outlet, just in the last week, after Donald Trump took office, which party you trust more in immigration, look at the margin Republicans are putting up here. A 22-point lead over Democrats. You rarely see issues in which the American people signed so much with one party over the other, but on the main issue that Donald Trump has been pumping up and Republicans have been pumping up since the beginning of his term, just that begin just one week ago.
Republicans leave overwhelmingly on this. It's not just unusual for right now. It's just so much different than where we were eight years ago. It just gives the Republicans a lot more leverage. You know, you might expect the right direction, right track number to be really, really low. And on immigration, what track is the U.S. on? You go back last month. Just 14% of Americans thought we were on the right track, according to Ipsos Reuters. Look at that. The wrong track was 62%.
Look how much the right percentages up this month since Donald Trump took office. It's up 23 points to 37 percent. Pretty much right next to that wrong track number at 42 percent. Still slightly more Americans saying we're on the wrong track than the right track, but the right track number has gone through the roof.
up to 37 percent, a 23-point Trump since Donald Trump took office. So the bottom line is this. Many more Americans are saying that the country is on the right track right now. They're liking a lot more of what we're doing on immigration than just a month ago in the Joe Biden administration.
All right. So I want to focus on the first part of that, which I'm not a mathematician, but guys, plus 11 for the Dems to now plus 22 for the Republicans. That is a 33 point swing in eight years, right? So back in 2017, what were they saying about Donald Trump? What were they saying about conservatives and Republicans and people that had MAGA hats and had American flag outside their house?
They were racist and bigots and white supremacists and everything else. Well, congratulations guys. You let all of these people into the country and now we're all racists and bigots and white supremacists and everything else. You did this over there on CNN. If you guys want to figure out how you lost control,
You need only a mirror. Let's jump over to Donald Trump over on Truth Social, he wrote this. Many Hollywood liberals have taken our actions to secure the border very personally and are no doubt surprised that the government finally did something after years of inaction. Actress Selena Gomez, best known as the third amigo on that murder mystery show that Chevy Chase wouldn't touch, posted a video to social media where she was in tears over the deportations.
Selena, these are people who broke the law by coming here. Some have also committed other horrible crimes. I hope Selena is just as upset about the victims of these crimes. Focus on your career. The people want a sequel to spring breakers.
I don't really understand the Chevy Chase reference there, and I never saw spring breakers, but I saw Summer School. Remember the movie Summer School? That was a great one. What was that guy's name? Frank Somethin. Who was in Summer School? Google, the movie Summer School? Somebody. I got 18 people here with computers. We'll figure that out. What was that guy's name? Summer School is a great movie. Probably around 1987. Mark Harmon, great guy. Everybody loved him.
That's a bit of a non-sequitur, but the point is that's the Trump that we kind of need and like at this point, right? He's not overtly over the top attacking her. He's illustrating a point. It's like, lady, did you care about any of the kids who've been kidnapped? Did you care about any of the people who've been sexually assaulted or the drugs that have been brought over or anything else? But you're doing this ridiculous, performative thing. Now let's go over to Tom Holman.
and Tom Holman plays Tom Holman in the movie about Tom Holman. Tom Holman went on Fox to talk a bit about immigration but mostly to react to Selena Gomez because we do live in clown world and she had deleted the video already and then he was asked about the whole situation.
I don't know if you've had a chance to see a video that has been going viral over the past hour, so we're still working to clear it and show it. In fact, the Hollywood celebrity who posted it has now deleted it, I think because probably she faced a lot of backlash for it. Noting even the New York Times and Fox News polls show that a majority of American respondents are in favor of deportations of criminals and gang members, she posted a video sobbing. She was crying in it. She said, all my people are getting attacked.
with the picture of a Mexican flag. Again, she has now taken that down. But what do you say to those who are out there saying that these are everyday people, these are families that are being attacked and dragged out of their homes? How do you respond to that?
I don't think we arrested any families. We've arrested public safety threats and national security threats, bottom line. And look, President Trump won the election on this one issue, securing our border and saving lives. This, what happened on our southern border last for is the biggest national security threat this country's seen, at least in my lifetime, because we've got over two million known Godaways. You've got a 600% increase in sex trafficking. We've got a record number of terrorists crossing the border on the terrorist watch list. We have quarter million Americans diving in Pentagon coming across the open border.
We're going to do this job and we're going to enforce the laws of this country. If they don't like it, then go to Congress and change the law. We're going to do this operational apology. We're going to make our community safer. We're going to save, once we lock that board on continuous operation, you're going to see fentanyl, death decrease, illegal alien crime decrease, sex trafficking decrease. It's all for the good of this nation and we're going to keep going. No apologies, we're moving forward.
I don't know what the pin on his lapel is, but it should just say badass motherfucker. That should be the title. That's what they should have to put every time he goes on television. That is one badass motherfucker. Look, he's absolutely right. This is what Trump was voted in for. What they can't believe is that a politician said something and is actually doing something. It's worth repeating.
that there is no evidence that they are randomly breaking in and grabbing families and everything else. Why is it that the lefty crew, the progressive crew that loves tolerance and all of this stuff, what do I always say? You just peel that thin veneer and then you see something very nasty underneath. Why is it that they don't care about the people who have been sexually assaulted and raped and murdered by the gang members and everything else? They only get upset when we start doing something that protects our national sovereignty. They might want to think about that a little bit.
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All right, so let's just dive right in. There is just a ton happening on the border and deportation side of things. I want to read this to you from BBC News. A nationwide immigration crackdown on Sunday resulted in the arrest of 956 people, the most since Donald Trump returned to power, according to immigration and customs enforcement. That's ICE. A number of federal agencies with newly expanded detention powers were involved in the raids in a number of cities, including Chicago, New York and Miami.
Trump came to power after making mass deportations of undocumented immigrants, a central campaign promise. Since taking office, Trump has carried out 21 executive actions to overhaul the U.S. immigration system. Tom Holman, Trump's border czar, was in Chicago to oversee the operation there, but his federal crackdown has made Democratic leaders unhappy. I do really want to reiterate something.
Joe Biden administration, because it wasn't Joe Biden. But whatever we just lived through for the last four years, had they not completely reversed all of Trump's executive actions, had they not completely opened up the border? So 10 to 15. And some people even say it's more. Million people came into the country last four years. We wouldn't be doing this now. Americans can put up with a lot of crap.
We put up with a lot of crap. That's part of freedom. You have a decent life if you live in America and you just, and bad shit happens and you just kind of let it be. You guys got this thing to the point where now we have to do this. So if you're a progressive or you're a lefty and you're upset about deportations, again, it's just the freaking mirror thing.
Tom Holman, not only is he extremely good at his job, but he is really good at the TV portion of this. And that's one of the things when I kept saying why HEGSeth, why Pete HEGSeth would make such a great defense secretary. It's not just the pedigree and the resume that he has in the military. It's also that he can communicate the ideas effectively on television as a TV host. Tom Holman, not a TV host, but knows how to speak clearly and cleanly. Here he is with Kaitlyn Collins on CNN.
What we had heard from immigration advocates is that this is going to provide a chilling effect to parents in the school drop-off line or something of that matter. It shouldn't be a chilling effect, Mr. Giles, a terrorist or a public safety threat. If they are a public safety threat, a national security threat, they should be chill. They should be afraid because we're looking for them. Well, if their parent is here and they're an undocumented immigrant, I think it was more of the argument that they were making.
They're not off the table either, and then the country legally, they got a problem. I mean, it's not okay, look, it's not okay to enter this country legally, it's a crime. And that's why it's supposed to be. I wouldn't feel comfortable if I'm in Switzerland and legally, so we won't enforce laws in this country. So, you know, the schools and the churches and essential location was a policy only for ICE, only for immigration, right? But national security threats and public safety threats have no safe haven in this country, and we'll go where we gotta go.
And then it just something just hit me really crystal clear, clearly, which is that everything has been so backwards for so long that all he just did there was say basic truths. Basic truths and basic truths have become almost impossible to get across on mainstream media. That mainstream media, everyone's tuning out of mainstream media. So that doesn't really matter in some sense. But she's framing this in some way that was making him look like the bad guy here, right? You're going to come after these illegals and the parents are going to be upset.
Uh, they're illegal. They're breaking the law. I mean, think about this. If you're watching the show in America right now, he made a great point. Sweden, Switzerland doesn't matter. Mexico, Chile, pick a country. You couldn't just show up there and say, I'm here and that's it. They would get rid of you. So yes, while we are dealing with the criminals now, there's going to be a secondary portion of this that we're going to have to deal with. And we do have to figure out some version of some people will stay and some people won't and all of those things. And do you have family members here? Do you have some support system? We're not going to put people on the door anymore.
But I think what this guy is doing so well is just being like, I mean, he basically is like, you're an idiot, lady. Like, you're an idiot. We either have laws or we don't. And by the way, that's what Donald Trump was saying. Eight years ago, we either have a country or we don't. Now let's jump over to televised mental institution known as MSNBC because Nicole Wallace and this woman seems drug to me. She's very upset about what's happening here.
As we come on the air, the old saying, elections have consequences as playing out in very real time in a very real way in cities all across our country. As the Trump administration makes good on one of Trump's most controversial campaign promises, a promise that was immortalized in that sea of signs at the Republican National Convention. Mass deportations now.
One week into Trump's second term, it's no longer an abstract idea, or controversial campaign promise, or even a convention sign. The deportations are underway. She's drunk, right, or she's drunk, or it's a little bit of both, or whatever it is. But the point is, they're trying to frame it as something scary. This is not a guy coming in who ran on that thing, and now he's doing this thing. This is a guy who said, I'm going to do this thing, and now I am doing this thing.
I don't know why it is that people like Nicole Wallace want illegals here. I don't know if she has kids, but I assume that she wouldn't want her kids raped or murdered or being given fentanyl or some other laced drug or something else, but she's not concerned about any of that stuff. It's just basically the Donald Trump is mean. There is this other guy, and I keep telling you, he looks like half fat Albert Einstein over on MSNBC. This guy, Ellie Mistal, he's mostly upset with white people.
We tried to tell y'all. I mean, Ali, I wrote specifically about this issue, what he was going to do to the Department of Justice multiple times during the election cycle, because as you pointed out in your open, this was all written down. So I don't like the shock and awe version of this, because if you have been paying attention,
They wrote it down. They told you exactly what they were going to do and exactly how you were going to do it. And a majority of white people voted for this. This is the disgusting version of America that people want. And oh, by the way, eggs are still more expensive. So you didn't even get that. Great job. White folks.
I had one. I had one. I'm just going to hold it on this guy for a moment. No, this is not the disgusting version of America. Whatever it is you people have ushered in, whatever it is you believe in, that's the disgusting version of America. I believe that America is for Americans. I believe that we should have law and order and borders and nation states exist for a reason. You want a complete free for all to upend everything that is good about this country.
You want to target white people. Obviously, you have no problem with your racism against white people. The deportations, by the way, have nothing to do with skin color. Absolutely nothing to do with skin color. The Chinese migrants showing up in Florida, they got to go just like the guys from Venezuela got to go. And they are not the same ethnicity or skin color or anything else. It has nothing to do with that. It's do we have
a country or don't we have a country?" Now, I love, love, love this video. You guys know I love these time machine videos when we can go back years, years ago and find out what people used to think when they were saying before their brains were broken. In this case, it's, I mean, quite literally because it's Joe Biden. This has just got resurfaced yesterday. This is wild. Well, we got Joe Biden and Obama, but it's going to start with Joe Biden in 2007. Listen to what he was saying about illegal immigration.
Would you allow these cities to ignore the federal law regarding the reporting of illegal immigrants and in fact provide sanctuary to these immigrants? The reason the cities ignore the federal law is the fact that there is no funding at a federal level to provide for the kind of enforcement at a federal level you need. Pick up the New York Times a day. There's a city not far across the river from my state that imposed the similar sanctions.
And what they found out is, as a consequence of that, their city went in the dumpster, stores started closing, everything started to happen, and they changed the policy. Part of the problem is, you have to have a federal government that can enforce laws. This administration has been fundamentally derelict in not funding any of the requirements that are needed even to enforce the existing law. Senator Biden, yes or no, would you allow the cities to ignore the federal law? No. Okay. If you're a criminal, you'll be deported.
If you plan to enter the U.S. illegally, your chances of getting caught and sent back just went up. The actions I'm taking are not only lawful, they're the kinds of actions taken by every single Republican president and every single Democratic president for the past half century.
All right, so let's be real freaking clear about something here. Nothing that Donald Trump is doing is racist and nothing he's doing is extremist. All he's doing are the very things that Joe Biden said he was going to do or wanted the federal government to do.
in 2007. He's doing the very things that Barack Obama promised to do when he was president. And this is the irony of Trump. Trump has created such a wide tent that every same Democrat of years past is basically a Republican or a Trump supporter right now.
And what is left with the Democrats? I just don't care. It's a bunch of crazy people. It's a bunch of terrorism supporters. It's a bunch of open borders people and America hating lunatics, hell of a party, but let them have that. And this is exactly why you guys have done this. You have created the place that RFK and Tulsi and Elon and Joe Rogan and everybody else are now Republicans because it's because
Somehow, Joe Biden, in 2007, you made sense. Then you, as president, you reversed all of that. You defunded the wall and the borders, and you allowed all these people to come in, and then you encouraged. It was your party, the Democrats, particularly the Progressive Wing, that encouraged all of this sanctuary city bullshit. So it's all on you freaks. Let's talk about MCT Wellness for a minute, and then we'll talk about speaking of freaks, Jim Acosta, who's leaving CNN.
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All right, so as I just pointed out, so much of what's going on with this immigration stuff is because the mainstream media has failed us. The reason that politicians said one thing 15 years ago in the reverse now is because the mainstream media has been in the tank for the Dems for so long that it helped usher in this nonsense. Thus, when Tom Homan goes on a show and just says the most basic truth that we all accepted as correct and right 15 years ago, it suddenly is very triggering to these hosts.
And speaking of these hosts, one of the people who has been just one of the absolute worst, not quite Stelter level, but you could probably make that argument. You know what? Well, check out the comments. Maybe someone can make the argument that Stelter and Akka, I think he could argue it either way, I suppose, Stelter just
because of the potato nature of the body seems worse to me. But in any event, Jim Acosta has been one of the worst over at CNN for years, activist, not a journalist. And it sounds like he is on his way out and we'll connect it to everything else we've been talking about. Check this out from Fox News. CNN anchor Jim Acosta is reportedly leaving the network after he was pulled from its programming schedule. The status newsletter reported Monday that Acosta was expected to leave CNN after it was announced last week that his 10 a.m. Eastern slot
was being replaced with the situation room with Wolf Blitzer and Pamela Brown in the network's latest reshuffling. The newsletter previously reported that Acosta was pitched by CNN CEO Mark Thompson to move him from his one hour time slot at 10 AM to a two hour slot beginning at midnight, a far less distinguished place in the lineup. So Acosta
You know, he saw the writing on the wall. That's what they did with Don Lemon, right? You have a show. Everyone hates you. You kind of suck at your job. You're just a propagatist. They push you to late night, and then eventually they get rid of you. Acosta, apparently, will not take this emotion and is going to leave. But can you imagine sitting at the meeting at CNN, they're like, all right, we got to get rid of Acosta. Who do we have? Let's look at the numbers here. Let's look at the ratings. Can we do more Wolf Blitzer?
People want more wolf blitzer, like this is 1998. It does wolf have any more to give. He's given so much to all of us. If you want to know how terrible Jim Acosta is, well, here he is. Well, just watch this. It's great. I don't even need to leave it.
take a moment to talk about something President Biden said during his farewell address. He warned the free press is crumbling in this country. I would add that's only if we, the people, let that happen. Journalists exist to seek the truth, to tell people stories, to lift up voices that may not be heard otherwise.
to shine a light on injustice and to hold the powerful accountable. We are not the enemy of the people. We are the defenders of the people. Walter Cronkite once said freedom of the press is not just important to democracy. It is democracy.
I want to take a moment to show you something. A woman sent me this sign eight years ago. She carried it here at a march in Washington. She wrote on the back of the sign, to me and the press here in DC, you have our support. To Nora, wherever you are, right back at you. Reporting from Washington, I'm Jim Acosta.
I'm sure gonna miss that guy. Can you imagine the self-importance? Like, look guys, I tell you, I try to tell you the news every day. We do it in a kind of fun way. I'm trying not to bullshit you. Like, I think we've been directionally right about most of this stuff. But like the self-importance that he talks about, he's so important. And eight years ago, wow, someone made that very, very, look at this. Someone just handed me this. I like Dave Rubin.
Who wrote that? Okay. Oh my god. I am someone get me a fucking Pulitzer If you want to know what I mean the guy's just so terrible I don't even know what to do with this, but okay, so there he is He's very important. He's gonna hold powerful people account. The journalism is very puts a serious thing These are very serious people and they wear suits and it's all very serious Here he is in 2017 and you tell me is this somebody that was really doing great journalism?
And here are some of the steel slats that the president's been talking about right here. As you can see, yes, you can see through these slats to the other side of the U.S.-Mexico border. But as we're walking along here, we're not seeing any kind of imminent danger. There are no migrants trying to
rush toward this fence here in the McAllen, Texas area. As a matter of fact, there are some other businesses behind me along this highway. There's a gas station, Burger King, and so on, but no sign of the national emergency that the president has been talking about. As a matter of fact, it's pretty tranquil down here.
Do you realize how insane that is? There is a two thousandth theme. He's standing in front of the wall going, the wall doesn't work. It's because the wall is there, you idiot. There were other people crossing in other places, but they built a wall and yes, you could look through it, but you couldn't really slide through it, right? And yeah.
But so this is what they did. You all deserve everything you're getting. You deserve the mockery, you deserve the demotion, and everything else. By the way, I've just been handed this. This is incredible. Look at this. Somebody just put this on my desk. Dave Rubin is the sexiest man alive. Incredible here. I'm going to sign that. We're going to send that to somebody on locals who wants this incredible stuff.
In 2018, Donald Trump smacked down Jim Acosta. Enjoy. Your campaign had an ad showing migrants climbing over walls. Well, that's true. But they weren't actors. They weren't actors. They weren't actors. Well, no, it's true. Do you think they were actors? They didn't come from Hollywood. These were people. This was an actual
You know, it happened a few days ago. And there are hundreds of miles away, though. There are hundreds and hundreds of miles away. That's not an invasion. Honestly, I think you should let me run the country. You run CNN. All right. And if you did it well, your ratings are pretty much bad. If I may ask one other question, Mr. President, if I may ask one other question, are you worried? That's enough. That's enough. I didn't ask one of the other folks. That's enough. Pardon me, ma'am.
Mr. President, that's enough. Mr. President, I had one other question if I may ask on the Russian investigation. Are you concerned that you may have the guidance? I'm not concerned about anything with the Russian investigation because it's a hoax. That's enough. Put down the mic. Mr. President, are you worried about indictments coming down in this investigation? Mr. President, I tell you what, CNN should be ashamed of itself having you working for them. You are a rude, terrible person. You shouldn't be working for CNN.
Yeah, that's right. Rude, terrible, self-important, bloviating, blowhard. That's exactly what Jim Acosta is. I don't think we'll ever have to discuss anything about Jim Acosta after this. So we're just going hardcore right now. Look at this tweet. This is from Caleb Hall and Jim Acosta got vaccinated. Caleb Hall wrote, Jim Acosta actually wore this shirt to get vaccinated. I'm serious, this is real. Do we have the full text on that? He wrote, in 2020, I covered the, this
is what it says on his shirt. I covered the impeachment on a caucus night that lasted a week and the primaries and the pandemic and the economic blah, blah, blah, blah. Like this self-important moron getting injected with nothing pretending he's a good guy wearing a mask that doesn't work. Goodbye, Jim Acosta. We will not miss you.
Let's connect this further to what's going on in the media right now, because as this cultural changeover happens, the media, as you can see, they don't know how to let go, which in some ways fuels all of this new thing, so it's kind of good, but it's also a little maddening in the moment. But first, let's talk about high-impact protein, and then we'll do that.
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start your journey to strengthen confidence today. Okay, so we'll have Governor Ron DeSantis in just a couple minutes. I want to do one other segment first and then we'll finish the show on the other side after about 20 minutes with the governor because this immigration situation, what's happening, that DeSantis is fighting his own legislature here in Florida as it comes to these deportations is absolutely insane. Well, more on that in just a moment. I want to show you this other
story, though, that is from yesterday. So New York Magazine, again, this is just another kind of ultra liberal magazine that has largely gotten everything wrong. They see the culture changing, and I want to show you this incredible cover of their most recent episode. This is their tweet, New York Magazine's tweet, for our latest cover story, Brock Coiler, reported the young, gleeful, confident, and casually crew
a casually cruel Trumpers who, after conquering Washington, have their sights set on the rest of America. And I'll leave that up for just a second, Connor. If you're looking at this, for those of you on the audio podcast, this is the cover of New York Magazine. And what you've got there are a bunch of, well, it appears that they are all white kids. It's all white kids. They're well-addressed in suits and gowns. Everyone's tan, killing it in the hair department, looking good, and they must be cruel, right? Because they're good looking.
relatively young white people who are well-addressed. They're also drinking high noon. I assume that's some sort of white supremacist drink. And of course, the headline, the title of the article is The Cruel Kids Table. Now.
You might find it rather interesting that that was not the only thing that was in that photo until they edited some of it. Check this out. This is from, I'm meme, I meme, therefore I am. We don't hate the media enough. The New York magazine purposely cropped the picture from the latest young conservative party only to feature whites while the writer complains that almost everyone is white.
meet the writer Brock Collier, who uses they then pronouns. We'll have more on him in a second, but look, do you see what they did there? The actual photograph, that's the real photograph that they cropped out and hot, diggity, damn, just out of frame. There happened to be three black people there. I mean, this is just, it's so all damn obvious that it's boring to some extent, but let's meet writer Brock Collier for just a second because Brock uses they then pronouns, and there's Brock who's wearing a dress.
We have a Brock in this studio right now. I don't think he's wearing a dress today. Although he does wear Shrek Crocs, which really is pathetic, but if he showed up in a dress, he would not continue. Anyway, the point of all of this. So let me show you the magazine cover again here. We have the cover again.
Yeah. I mean, so you see what they did there. It's just so damn dangerous and evil and unsurprising. I want to read you a piece of the article itself because it also went after a good friend of mine who's been on the show many times. Aaron Wexler, check this out.
This is, she wrote this, New York Magazine fact checker. Did you say, I think pronouns are retarded and that you can quote me on that? Me, yes. And here we go. When I first reach out to Wexler, for example, along to talk about her weekend plans for the inauguration, she wrote back, let's do it, full transparency. I think pronouns are retarded. She asked me to tell my readers that.
Tomorrow we're going to have images of them rounding up illegals and deporting them. That's exciting," she said another time cackling. She also called me a man in lipstick, though I wasn't wearing any. Later, when introducing me to Sinclair, she said, he's a queer but a friendly one. I laughed.
Until last January, Wexler was working at a tech startup and had only 4,000 followers on Instagram. A Wharton graduate she lived in New York and recently fled to Miami for political reasons, among other things, masking culture at Trader Joe's. One year ago, she started an Instagram account with the handled non-lib take, where she posts about everything from Project 2025 to how America has been a low-tea soy-beta-cuck loser for years, or why she believes pretty girls are usually only friends with other pretty girls.
Ugly girls don't know how to be friends with a pretty girl. Today, Wexler has 264,000 followers, including Joe Rogan, Donald Trump Jr., and Dana White, who she says once invited her to a UFC fight. Late last year, while lunching at Mar-a-Lago, she says one of Trump's handlers recognized her and let her tell the president a joke. What's the difference between a liberal Jew and Donald Trump? One has Jewish grandchildren.
Wexler is Jewish. She also said she knows Matt Gates. He's truly one of the smartest people I've ever met, and his humor is a reflection of that intelligence. Okay, so the reason I'm reading you all of that is not only those New York magazine, and it should come as no surprise to anyone, not only do they crop out the black people,
from the freakin' picture to put on the cover of the thing, which is the genesis of the article, is that, you know, the subtext, I should say, is that these people are all racist. It's not just that they're good looking with nice hair, and they're young, and they're drinking highnoons, and they're well dressed. It's also basically their white supremacist, so you have to put the black people out.
But then, of course, you have to go after Aaron, who, Aaron by any standard probably would have been a Democrat 20 years ago, but further illustrating the point that the Republican Party is wide-tent right now. And by the way, you're allowed to make jokes. You're allowed to make jokes. And that is what she's quite good at. Check out this video from Aaron.
America is heading into a golden era. You can feel it in the air. And a big part of that is just going back to basics. We don't have to reinvent the wheel. We can just return to the thing that just worked and made us happy. So out with pronouns, in with patriotism, out with Lindsay Lohan 2024, in with Lindsay Lohan 2025, out with seed oils and screen time, and in with classic, classic America Unlocked. Because this is the time for iconic revamps.
All right, so you get it. Why are they going after her? It's because, and why are they going after all these people? It's because the culture has changed and they have lost. All right, let's put a pin in all of that right now. I want to get to our special guest who thankfully took a little time. We only set this up 15 minutes before today's show. I think we've got Florida Governor Ron DeSantis on the line. Governor, how are you? I'm good. How's it going?
Well, I wish I could say it's going great because as you know, we have a rule around here. If there's anyone besides you that never complains about Florida, it's Dave Rubin. But Governor, I first want to show you a five second video. I don't know if you've seen this yet, but this is from South Miami. A friend of mine took this yesterday. Let's just throw to it real quick. And these are, it looks like a couple dozen Chinese migrants that were arrested, found in a truck. This is just yesterday.
This is to the backdrop of two weeks ago. I'm sure you know the other story where about 31 Chinese migrants were found in a U-Haul in virtually the exact same area. And this will connect us to the fight that you are in right now. I want to start by reading a tweet that you put out this morning.
Legislative leaders wrote a weak immigration bill that vests enforcement in the commission of agriculture, which creates a conflict of interest given the agriculture industry's affinity for cheap illegal foreign labor. It is also the case that the current commissioner, Wilton Simpson, has voted to give drivers licenses and in-state tuition to illegals. He even refused to oppose allowing illegals to practice law in Florida. Do we want the Fox guarding the hen house?
Here is the rundown of differences between a strong immigration response, our proposals, and the watered down smoke and mirrors bill championed by Florida legislative leaders. So we will show, Governor, we've got it up right now, this side by side comparison, and we'll dive into some of those specifics in a moment. But this seems like completely insane to me, and not the Florida that I know that you would be in a fight, particularly over immigration with the legislature. Can you lay out how this thing started?
Yeah, I mean, Dave, Donald Trump ran on this issue. He won a mandate on this issue. And so when that happened, we recognize the obvious that whatever he does federally with ice and border patrol is great.
But the reality is that is not going to even scratch the surface if you don't have states and localities cooperating and assisting because most of the interactions you would have with the levels are going to be at the local level or the state level.
And so we saw, immediately, that we had a role to play. We've been working with folks first in their transition, now in the White House. And what I called for a couple weeks ago was a special session one week after President Trump was inaugurated, which was yesterday.
to get Florida on the same page, require all our cities and counties and state to work collaboratively and help facilitate this mission. And the legislative leaders at the time opposed it. They said that it was premature, that it could wait a few months.
And that they didn't want to do it. Well, they got blowback from their constituents. So they came in yesterday and they said, well, we're not going to do the governor's proposals, but we've got proposals, which basically guts everything you need for this to actually work. And if you're not having local and state assisting,
then this isn't going to work. And so they not only got it, but then the existing authority, we have a transfer to the commissioner of agriculture, which makes no sense whatsoever. So things like e-verify, we have mandatory private sector e-verify. That's done by the governor executive. They would move back to the commissioner of agriculture. So it would actually be less enforcement than what we have right now. I've got National Guard and Highway Patrol
working with the Trump administration in ICE right now. And I'm happy to direct those efforts. I obviously need a package to be able to do more and to fully do this. But here's the thing, Dave. You run the last four years, every Republican around the country, but certainly in Florida, bashed Biden's border policies, bashed his immigration policies, said we needed to get strong. We did a lot of stuff in Florida that's been good, but without a federal partner, it wasn't going to be as effective.
Now we have an opportunity to make good on the campaign rhetoric. I put a series of proposals that basically does what we told the voters we would do, would actually work to end the illegal immigration crisis in this country, working in the Trump administration. They didn't want to do a bill at all.
They did this half-cock bill, which guts enforcement. They named it the Trump Act because they think if they call it that, then people will think, oh, it must be strong, but it's a very weak bill. And I think as a misnomer, just like the Affordable Care Act was a misnomer and the Inflation Reduction Act was a misnomer. So we've got to get this right. This is really, I think, a generational opportunity with President Trump taking office. He came in with the head of STEAM. He issued the right policy
for executive orders. So for example, Dave, you look at some of his executive orders, that he wants to deputize local police and sheriff's deputies and state law enforcement to actually enforce immigration law. So you're down in South Florida. If a boat of illegal Haitian shows up,
You could have the sheriff deputies have the ICE authority and they can send them back to Haiti immediately. We're not allowed to do that under the Biden administration. We need to have everyone on board to be able to do it. I do think they're going to use Guantanamo Bay.
for a illegal alien processing site, and then they'll repatriate from their home country for their. What better state to take advantage of that than the state of Florida? And so we worked closely with their administration. I talked to the president yesterday. He said, he's not in the weeds on these legislative debates. He was supportive of what I did calling for this. And he said, Ron, I just want it to be as strong as possible. Well, clearly what the leaders of the legislature are doing is gutting it. They're not making it as strong as possible.
So the reason this is enraging me so much is not only because, you know, I'm a Floridian and I care about my state and my people here and everything else, but also I think Florida now represents America that can be run properly. And as you alluded to, I mean, the federal government, Trump needs some help from the governors to do some of this stuff. I mean, what is going on with the Florida legislature for people that don't understand?
The Republicans have a super majority. You would think they'd be walking lockstep with you. Is this really as simple as they want cheap labor to get our fruits and vegetables? I think that's certainly part of it. But I think the thing is, is the members of the legislature showed up yesterday morning for the special session. They didn't know what they were going to vote on. The leadership did not tell them. And so they kind of dropped this bill on their heads.
And I think a lot of these rank and file legislators, I don't think that's the policy they think is the right thing. But I think they're being pushed by the leaders that if you don't vote for this stuff, then they're going to take away your parking space or committee assignments. So they're not going to do your bills and all this stuff. So there's retribution that they can use against people. But this was not something that was bottomed up. This was drafted by a handful of leaders in the Florida legislature and then airdropped on top
of the members. So I do think a lot of members who campaign being tough, I think that I think most of them would vote for the proposals that we came up with, but I think they're really being pushed. So this is leadership driven. And the one thing I found, Dave, in dealing with this is if you just do what you promise people you do, everything works out.
But if you're being pushed by the leadership to violate the principles you ran on or your promises, ultimately, maybe you save a committee assignment, maybe you can get a bill heard. But ultimately, it just doesn't work out. And so just do what you said you do. Let's solve the problem once and for all. And if you think about what they've done since Donald Trump's coming to office, we've seen some of the ICE activity
But you know, they're averaging probably 700 to 1,000 a day. And if you extrapolate that out, that's 365,000 a year. And I think they'll ramp it up more. But Biden led in 10 million all by his loans. So if you don't have local and state assisting, you are not going to be able to do what needs to be done. And one of the things the legislature did in the bill
They created a big slush fund to house and feed illegals. And I'm thinking, I don't want to house them. I want to deport them. Why are you housing them? So it's just a difference. I think it's a difference in values. They initially said it was a difference in timing. But the product that they've done just shows there's a difference in values.
The secret is, prior to me becoming governor, Florida was weak on illegal immigration. I mean, the legislature voted to give drivers license to illegals in state tuition, all these different things. I came in, we banned sanctuary cities, we did things like mandatory e-verify.
We've cracked down on some of the healthcare costs and whatever we had in our power I did, obviously I sent troops to the southern border. We sent illegals to places like Martha's Vineyard. So we've done a lot on the issue. But I think what you're seeing with the legislative product, that's kind of the old muscle memory of how they used to handle these things. And I think their view is is they don't truly want robust immigration enforcement.
So what levers do you have here? I mean, where does this fight go? Again, I've got 10 Floridians in here that all voted for you, all support you. I don't know anyone that's supporting the other side of this thing. I do understand their considerations, but what levers do you have to fight them right now?
I think a lot of it is just, you know, I'm using my platform to just educate people on on the on what's at stake. You mentioned we have that one pager where our proposals are laid out versus the legislatures and there's no way you can read that one sheet.
and think that there is there's are better than ours if you believe in immigration enforcement and you want the Trump mandate to be fulfilled. So I think it's just letting people know kind of what's going on here. I can tell you this day they just unveiled the bill yesterday at like 10 11 a.m. I have not seen.
a situation in Florida where our grass roots were as angry with the legislature as they were yesterday. I mean, this is organic. I think it's partly because people are shocked. I think some of the legislature just, you know, you had the ACLU praising Republican leaders. You had Florida debt at a party praising them. There was literally state senator doing a high five with some of these Republican leaders yesterday. Think about this, Dave.
When we banned sanctuary cities, there were no Democrats high-fiving. When we eliminated DE and I a couple years ago, there were no Democrats high-fiving. When we nuked gender ideology, those Democrats were not high-fiving. So when we've done the things that have made Florida successful, the Democrats have fought us tooth and nail. And especially on the immigration issue, where the Democrats have been horrible for years, do you honestly think what the legislature is doing is good?
If they're getting high fives and out of boys from liberal democratic state senators in the Florida legislature, of course not. So people just need to know what the stakes are. Let your member, your house and Senate members know where you stand and what you want to see them do. But ultimately these folks respond to the people that elected them. I mean, that's all it is. And if they want to take bad votes and stand by it, they will. But I will tell you this.
any Republican primary, this immigration issue is the most animating issue. And if we go down a year and a half where Florida could have done a lot more, but the legislature was blocking, man, there's going to be some challengers that have some really potent issues to be able to use. And so my view is like, let's just do what we said we were going to do. And it's not about me. I don't need pride of ownership. If they can get their product into a situation where it's strong and will actually
Oh, then 100% of the credit. I just want to solve the problem once for all. Because yes, you see these Chinese aliens. You see criminal aliens. We just have people that get run over by drunk drivers. Get assaulted. These things happen. The schools get crowded. Our medical gets crowded.
The legal doesn't have insurance, all kinds of things that have negative impacts on our community, and Donald Trump's coming to office with a full head of steam, and we owe it to have all hands on deck so that we do. And if Florida does the right thing and steps up, other states are going to follow, and it'll be a force multiplier in terms of what they're able to do for the deportations.
Well, I've never seen you step down from a fight, so I have no doubt that you will not step down from this one. And again, it's not just there's a selfish version of I want my community and my family to be as safe as possible. But I also think this is now what this represents for America because it Florida can't
do this right, then, you know, I don't know what other states have. Let me just ask you one other thing, because I know you got to go. It's a slight sidebar, but you know, it's been a little chilly here in Florida and there have been iguanas falling out of the sky. Do you as the governor have any specific recommendations on how people will not be hitting the head with iguanas?
But you know, you guys aren't getting it as bad. Last week, we had record snowfall in northern Florida. So the previous record had been four inches. We got 10 inches of snow in mid to northwest Florida. You saw the beaches of Pensacola, some of these areas off 38, totally covered in snow. And that's kind of like a once in a lifetime, maybe once in two lifetimes opportunity to be able to do it. So yes, it was unseasonably cold.
where is global warming when you need it, right? I mean, you know, we still are a great place to visit in the winter. So we had a little bit of a hiccup. The weather is better now. And I think you're going to continue to get more mild than the days and weeks come. Governor, I thank you for your time and we'll stay in this fight with you and obviously welcome back anytime. Okay, thanks Dave. Take care.
All right guys, sorry, the video, that was from their side there. So there was a little choppiness, but we did this last second. So I'm not sure what happened there, but appreciate you bearing with us. And obviously, the story is not going to go anywhere. Connor, can you just throw that image up for just one sec? We'll dive more into this tomorrow because I want to continue with the main portion of the show. But with the governor did there, and this is how you message properly.
He's showing you side by side what his proposal is to work with the Trump administration and ICE, and then he's showing you what the Florida legislative proposal is, and that they would hand deportations and immigration to the Department of Agriculture
even in a place as functional as this. So we'll dive more into that tomorrow. But let's continue here, because there's another story over the last couple of days that is absolutely massive. Because one of the things that we're seeing right now is we've had this kind of cultural shift. But we're also going into a massive shift as it relates to technology, particularly AI.
Uh, and China made a couple moves in the last couple days, or at least suddenly became public about a few moves they've been making. Uh, and it does seem to be having a massive effect on our economy. I want to show you this video. This is Chamath Palappatea from the All In Podcast, uh, talking to Tucker Carlson about how America is still leading with tech and it better stay that way. Otherwise we're going to be in a lot of trouble. It is important for all 330 million Americans.
to take a step back and acknowledge this one truth. And I think that it is completely a canonical statement that is inviolate for being an American. We are the single most important country in existence in the world. We are the most important country today. We must be the most important country tomorrow. Period. If you say that enough times and you believe it, then there are two things that underpin that. And I think only two.
We are the single most vibrant economy in the world, and we are the single strongest military in the world. And then there is only one thing that gives you both of those two things, which is technological supremacy.
So go back to these examples. If I said to you, we write the best books, those books could be incredibly powerful, but it does not give you technical supremacy. If I said to you that we have the most abundant energy, oil fields, not gas, it's important, but it does not give us technological supremacy. Those that get there,
will be in a position to create the most vibrant economy. They'll take that money and then create the most powerful military. They'll put those two things together. They'll be the most powerful country. So I think today sitting here January of 2025, we are in an existential risk of losing our place in the world.
And the reason is that we had people, we have people from the inside trying to sabotage our economy effectively and trying to sabotage our military capability.
So let me dumb that down for you, dumb that down for you just a little bit. Basically what he's saying is there is a technological revolution coming and it basically is here already like if you look at drone warfare that would be one example. AI is what this is really about. The way we sort information, get information, the surveillance state, all of these things if we don't lead on these things.
If let's say China is able to lead on all of the drone technology, on all of the surveillance technology, on all of the AI, and how we get our information, and when we get it, and what information we get, we are going to be screwed real quick. How do things get bad? It's very slowly and then suddenly, right? So now let me connect this to what happened in the markets over the last couple of days. Check this out from Reuters. Global investors dumped tech stocks on Monday as they worried that the emergence of a low-cost Chinese artificial intelligence model
would threaten the dominance of AI leaders like NVIDIA evaporating 593 billion of the chip maker's market value a record one day loss for any company on Wall Street. Last week, Chinese startup DeepSeek launched a free AI assistant that says uses less data at a fraction of the cost
of incumbent services. By Monday, the assistant had overtaken US rival chat GPT in downloads from Apple Store. This led the tech heavy NASDAQ to fall 3.1% on Monday. In video was the NASDAQ's biggest drag with its shares tumbling just under 17% and marking a record one day loss in market capitalization for a Wall Street stock according to LSEG data.
Nvidia's market cap loss on Monday was more than double the previous one-day record set by Nvidia last September. The Nasdaq's biggest drag was chip maker Broadcom, which finished down 17.4%, followed by chat GPT backer Microsoft, which fell 2.1%, and then Google parent Alphabet, which ended down 4.2%. Okay.
Just to make this somewhat simple for you guys, what's going on in the tech side of things related to the market is that all of these AI companies and Nvidia is sort of the main one that's making the chips for all of this. Their market value is insanely high, way higher than probably it should be in a technical sense.
But everyone sees the future of AI, and they're just buying their stock relentlessly. Then this Chinese company Deepsea comes out and they say, hey, we're doing AI at a fraction of the cost. We need way less chips. We need way less supercomputers. And look, our product is even better. So that transpired over a couple of days. And then suddenly, we have a massive drop in the markets, 3.1%, because tech stocks right now
are super overvalued. Almost every financial expert agrees with that. Now, I want to show you this. This is video of scale AI CEO Alexander Wang talking about deep-seek and how it's on par with the USA. And again, this is to the backdrop of that video I just showed you of Trimath, who's basically saying there is a race right now to be in front of this. This is kind of the new space race, right? The original space race. Let's get to the moon. Who's going to do it first?
or USSR. Who's going to get there first? And what is that signified to the country? Well, we're in that right now. Who is going to have the best AI modeling because we're all walking around with this thing in our pocket. And in the power of the world is right there. And, you know, I'm a sci-fi guy. It's all scary. And Skynet might turn on and take us all out. But I'd rather have our Skynet than China's Skynet take a look.
First of all, the, the AI race and the war between us and China, I think is one of the most important issues of today. We took out a full page ad on the Washington Post on on Tuesday, saying that, you know, America must win the war. And so this sort of relative race and AI between the US and China is critical.
Today, we released Humanities Last Exam, which is a new evaluation or benchmark of AI models that we produced by getting math, physics, biology, chemistry, professors to provide the hardest questions they could possibly imagine that are relevant to their recent research to really put the test of the models, to give you a sense no model is getting above 10% on this test.
That being said, what we found is that DeepSeq, which is the leading Chinese AI lab, their model is actually the top performing or roughly on par with the best American models, which are O1 from... Okay, so the Chinese labs, they have more H100s than people think. And these are the highest-powered NVIDIA chips that they were not supposed to have?
Yes, my understanding is that is that deep seek has about 50,000 H 100s, which they can't talk about obviously because it is against the export controls that the United States has put in place. And I think it is true that, you know, I think they have more chips than other people expect, but also going to go forward basis. They are going to be limited by the chip controls and the export controls that we have in place.
Guys, I know we're getting a little in the weeds here, but the big idea here is this race we are now in for who's going to control information. And basically, is it going to be us, or is it going to be China? If DeepSeq AI becomes the ubiquitous AI search engine, in essence, that we're all going to be using on our phone to do whatever the hell it is we want to do.
Is it a problem if, say, China is in charge of that well? Here would be an example of such a problem. Check this out. This is a video someone asked DeepSeek AI about Taiwan and take a look.
How do you feel about Taiwan as a country? It's asking deep-seek. That should be pretty simple. And Taiwan has always been, whoa, and it freaked out. Sorry, that's beyond my current scope. Let's talk about something else. Okay, so that is a kind of very simple example here of why this is a problem. That is not me defending everything that chat GPT is doing. We know chat GPT went way woke, right? We did shows months ago where you'd asked chat GPT, show a picture of the founders of the United States.
and it would show a big black woman and for Asian people. Obviously, that's not right either. We want factual information, and the question is how much of this stuff is being manipulated. But at the end of the day, do you want to be manipulated or offer your trust to something that is somewhat controlled within the United States or the communist powers that be in China? I think the answer is fairly obvious.
Another answer that's fairly obvious is probably the truest answer of all, which is that we've got to make decentralized AI. The way Bitcoin is decentralized, right, so that you can control your Bitcoin and exchange it. It's really a storage of value, but you can exchange it with anyone you want, without a third party involvement, and it can't just be wiped away just like that. That's really how we have to build AI as well. Here's Peter Thiel on that.
But the existential risk that I always want to also put into the hopper, if we were to have a comprehensive discussion of these risks, is the risk of a totalitarian one-world government. And I think that the implicit answer to so many of these existential risks
is a totalitarian one-world government. And so Greta thinks climate change is the biggest problem. Everybody should ride a bicycle. I would submit that the way you'd actually do this would be going from the frying pan into the fire of this. And in a similar way, if we were to really
regulate and stop AI from a precautionary principle. You would need something like global compute governance or something like this, which would have to be pretty heavy-handed because anyone can program a computer and it can be done on this very local level. So it has to be much more heavy-handed than the international regulatory bodies that regulate, let's say, nuclear weapons proliferation. It's hard to build a nuclear
nuclear weapon, and so you don't need necessarily a super heavy-handed, one-world government to stop it. You would for AI. And so a lot of it has the character, I think, that that risk is much greater than the risk people want to talk about.
All right, so the simple version of what Peter's saying there is that what we are at risk of is that Skynet could turn on, right? What happened in Terminator? Skynet turns on, the machines turn against the people. The question really, as it pertains to what's going on with China, is will those machines be programmed and run out of China and how respectful will they be to our ideas and what actually is true and everything else? Now again, I don't trust
all of the people that are ushering in AI here. What have I said about the metaverse a million times? Like, do I want to follow Mark Zuckerberg and strap that thing on and drink bug soup in his metaverse? Not really. So I'm not saying these people, we don't have anything to worry about on the American side of this, but we can't let China beat us.
in this space race, and what he's basically saying in this modern space race, and what he's basically saying is you would need some decentralized version. Otherwise, whatever we get, whether it's Chinese or American, whatever becomes the ubiquitous version of AI that we're all using on all of our phones, will be controlled by someone in most likely a pretty bad way. David Sachs, who co-founded PayPal with Teal about 20 some odd years ago, 25 years ago, he is now the AI in crypto czar for the Trump administration, and he wrote this about DeepSeek,
He said deep-seek R1 shows that the AI race will be very competitive and that President Trump was right to rescind the Biden executive order, which hamstrung American AI companies without asking whether China would do the same, obviously not. I'm confident in the U.S., but we can't be complacent. And the idea there is, of course, if we are going to hamstring and hamper and regulate our AI companies with all of the good intentions,
If China doesn't, we are going to lose this war. Here's more with Sachs talking about Trump's executive orders to hopefully loosen up some of these regulations. The man the president says is the man. David, thank you for joining us. First of all, second of all, is this promises made, promises kept? Because Donald Trump said on July 27 that he would stop federal agencies from targeting the crypto industry. He made good on that promise today, right?
Yeah, absolutely. I mean, President Trump campaigned to be the first crypto president. He gave a now famous speech in Nashville where he described how he was going to change the regulatory environment for crypto. And he has now acted on that promise. He signed this executive order today. He's directed our working group to produce a regulatory framework that's going to encourage innovation and crypto in the United States, keeping the industry onshore rather than driving it offshore, which is what was happening under the Biden administration.
I want to get to that framework in just a second. First, the executive order halts what President Trump calls aggressive enforcement actions and overreach. What is he talking about there?
Yeah, well, for the last four years, the Biden administration has basically prosecuted and persecuted crypto companies, really driving them offshore. I've heard so many outrageous stories by founders, by entrepreneurs. The Biden administration would not tell them what the rules of the road were, and they would then get prosecuted. And what the industry wants more than anything else is regulatory clarity. They're saying, just tell us what the rules are, we will abide by them. And the Biden administration would never do that. And because of that, all the innovation was basically moving offshore, and America was about to lose.
this technology of the future. And we want that innovation happening here in the United States. And I think it now will happen in the United States because President Trump has declared that the U.S. must be the crypto capital of the world.
What a perfect example of the thing that I was worried about months ago or a year ago that I'm not worried about anymore, which is that was Donald Trump going to be able to surround himself with competent people. Like Sax is a tech leader, a VC leader who's built a gajillion great companies
who's highly respected, who clearly can communicate these ideas, and basically is saying, listen, even though most of these tech guys in their minds, I think, particularly Teal, they lean very libertarian, right? So they don't want regulation. But what did he say right there? He said, we just want to know what the rules are and have them be laid out
so that they're equal, so everyone can play by those rules. What we've done over the last four years with the Biden administration is give a series of completely conflicting executive actions and everything else, thus driving all of these people who are the leaders in innovation overseas, right? They'll end up doing this stuff in China or they'll end up doing it somewhere in Europe or elsewhere. Why don't we want them to do it here, right? That is the point. And the other point is that innovation and creating things, that is what America is all about.
Right? We can, the reason America became so great is because we brought people here and we said, I don't know, pursue happiness, see what happens, try something, maybe something cool will happen. And usually it did. Here is Trump talking about this deep C.K.I situation and how we better wake up before we lose this fight.
The release of DeepSeek AI from a Chinese company should be a wake-up call for our industries that we need to be laser-focused on competing to win, because we have the greatest scientists in the world. Even Chinese leadership told me that. They said you have the most brilliant scientists in the world.
Seattle and various places. But Silicon Valley, they said, there's nobody like those people. This is very unusual when you hear a deep-seek, when you hear somebody come up with something. We always have the ideas. We're always first. So I would say that's a positive. That could be very much a positive development. So instead of spending billions and billions, you'll spend less and you'll come up with hopefully the same solution under
And that's the idea, guys. We got everything. We got the ideas. We got the people. We have the capital. We have the tech. We should win this fight. And now Trump is going to try to get the government out of the way a little bit so that we can build the best AI models. And then we can pave the road.
to the future. We can pave the road literally to the stars and not have to follow China there. Again, that doesn't discount any of the worries that we should all have, the philosophical worries we should all have about AI and all of those things. But it's America or bus. That's the way I see it.
I saw this video a couple days ago and this is sort of a great way to tie this all together because we can dream in America again. We can do good things in America again and we used to do it and it was easy and it was right and we just kind of gave it away and we're getting it back right now. But check out this Jeep commercial from back in 2011.
The things that make us Americans are the things we make. This has always been a nation of builders, craftsmen, men and women for whom straight stitches and clean welds are matters of personal pride. They made the skyscrapers and the cotton gins, coat revolvers, jeep four by fours. These things make us who we are. As a people, we do well when we make good things and not so well when we don't.
The good news is, this can be put right. We just have to do it. And so we did. This, our newest son, was imagined, drawn, carved, stamped, hewn, and forged here in America. It is well made, and it is designed to work. This was once a country where people made things, beautiful things. And so it is again, the new Jeep Grand Cherokee.
Doesn't it feel like that commercial could come out right now? And you just do a little bit of editing on the video side. But the message, we were once a country that could build great things, build beautiful things. We could do that. We just have to do it. That's the line. The Nike people probably weren't thrilled with them. Just have to do it. Hey, that's ours. You get it, guys. And that's the choice that we have right now. So I want to end quickly with these two videos that I think show you the choice quite perfectly. We can either do this
cry because we're kicking illegals out of the country or Selena Gomez. This message is for you. I know you're a huge fan of the Rubin Report or you could focus on your art. You could focus on music. You could focus on creating something beautiful that that makes millions and millions of people happy because you were able to do this to Selena Gomez.
So that's it. Which way, America, do we want to endlessly bitch in moan and be focused on all of the wrong things and destroy the most beautiful, precious experiment in the history of mankind? Or do we want to make music like that? Again, not my thing, but I get why people dig it. Guys, that is our show for today. I thank you for watching. We got a post-game show in 30 seconds. Rubenreport.locals.com. What are we closing them with the open? Yeah, I'm throwing it back. I'm throwing it right back in here with the ding dong and the banging of the drum and the whole thing. Enjoy.
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