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    TIP544: Life-Changing Returns in Cyclicals & Spinoffs

    enApril 11, 2023

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    • The Power of Journaling and Proactive Decision-Making for InvestorsKeeping a journal to track investment decisions can help identify flaws in thinking and prevent hindsight bias. Conducting a pre-mortem can also help combat overestimation of future success.

      Journaling is a powerful tool for self-reflecting. To be a great investor, you need to make quality decisions. Gautam Baid recommends having a notebook that tracks all of your important decisions. This allows us to compare what we originally expected to happen with what actually happened, to identify the flaws in our thinking and avoid having hindsight bias. Even if the outcome is good, you may come to realize that the reasons an investment played out well aren’t the reasons that you originally anticipated. One way to combat overestimating the likelihood of a bright future for a company is to conduct a pre-mortem, which is to investigate a bad outcome before it even happens.

    • Mitigating Risks, Self-Reflection, and Incentive Systems for Successful Investing.Before investing, weigh the potential risks. Writing in a journal sharpens memory retention and self-reflection. Incentive systems are powerful and must be considered carefully. Examine management compensation and stock options.

      Before making an investment, always consider the potential downside risks and ask yourself what can go wrong, how likely are the risks, and can you bear them if they come true. Writing in a journal is both a thinking and communication tool that aids in self-reflection, improves memory retention, and deepens our resolve to make good things happen in our lives. Incentives are the most powerful force on earth, and understanding them changes the way you view the world. Always consider the second or third-order effects of incentive systems, symmetrical incentives, and avoid allowing the gaming of the system. For investors, it's crucial to closely examine a company's management team's compensation and their incentivization with stock options.

    • Understanding Incentives for Win-Win Relationships and Long-Term SuccessPrioritize investments in companies with aligned management and compensation tied to long-term value. Beware of commissioned salesmen in finance. Achieve financial independence to make unbiased decisions. Understanding incentives is crucial for long-term investment success.

      Understanding incentives is crucial in creating win-win relationships, whether you're a manager, employee, or investor. Incentives affect behavior and can create bias, leading to long-term sacrifices for short-term gains. Investors should prioritize companies with aligned management teams who hold shares, and whose compensation is tied to long-term value drivers. Beware of commissioned salesmen in the financial industry who prioritize sales and understate fees. Achieving financial independence can empower individuals to see past incentive-caused bias and make honest decisions. Ultimately, being directionally right with investments is key, and understanding incentives can help investors make informed choices for long-term success.

    • Investing Success: Strategies for Purchasing a CompanyWhen purchasing a company, focus on finding a big gap between the current price and the value you have placed on the long-term earning power, using conservative estimates to create a margin of safety. Remember, the key to investing success is how you behave, not just fees, asset allocation, or analytical abilities.

      When purchasing a company, focus on finding a big gap between the current price and the value you have placed on the long-term earning power, using conservative estimates to create a margin of safety. The process of determining the intrinsic value of a business is an art form, and it's important to recognize your own limitations and skillset. Rather than obsessing over precise numbers, focus on the range of potential outcomes and their probabilities. Investing is a field of simplifications and approximations, intertwined with human behavior. The key to investing success is how you behave, as it matters far more than fees, asset allocation, or analytical abilities. Interest rates are important when valuing stocks, and intrinsic value is a moving target that is constantly changing as fundamental data comes out and investors update their expectations.

    • Why Value Investors Should Use Owner's or Earnings Figures Instead of Gap EPS FiguresValue investors should be careful when determining earnings figures and consider using owner's or earnings figures instead of gap EPS figures. Durability of the moat is key, while understanding maintenance CapEx helps in valuing a business. A 10% discount rate can serve as a baseline to revise up or down based on the company's risk profile.

      When determining earnings figures, value investors should use owner's or earnings instead of gap EPS figures reported by the company as there may be a big difference between gap earnings and the cash produced by the business. Companies heavily reinvesting in the business may have their investments treated as expenses, understating earnings figures used to calculate Buffett's owner's earnings amount. For businesses that will grow their earnings at a moderate pace but for a long time, optically high PE multiples that many value investors determine are actually pretty low. Durability of the moat is key; the longer the competitive advantage period, the more likely a business is worth a lot more than what the market thinks. Understanding maintenance CapEx helps in valuing a business. Using a 10% discount rate can be used as a baseline to revise up or down based on a company's risk profile and other things related to the company.

    • Importance of Margin of Safety in Valuation and InvestingUse a discount rate based on the stability and predictability of a company, invest in businesses trading at the lower end of their estimated intrinsic value range, and avoid value traps by considering cyclicality of earnings, app risk, poor capital allocators, and governance issues. Achieving a margin of safety in investing is essential by purchasing securities below their underlying value to account for human error, bad luck, or volatility.

      When calculating a company's intrinsic value, use a discount rate that reflects the company's stability and predictability. To ensure a margin of safety in investments, look for businesses trading at the lower end of their estimated intrinsic value range. Avoid value traps, which are businesses that appear cheap but are actually expensive, by considering cyclicality of earnings, app risk, poor capital allocators, and governance issues. Margin of safety is essential in investing and achieved by purchasing securities at prices below the underlying value, allowing for human error, bad luck, or volatility. The Nifty 50 stocks in the 1970s demonstrated the danger of investing without a margin of safety. High quality businesses tend to trade at expensive valuations while junk or poor quality are often available at cheaper valuations, making price movements important to consider.

    • The Importance of Starting Valuations in InvestingKeep an eye on starting valuations to avoid poor intermediate-term performance and aim for steady returns over time. Remember Buffett's top rule: don't lose money, as it can undo years of good decisions.

      Investors should be conscious of starting valuations when placing their bets since valuations that are simply too high will eventually drift back down to more reasonable levels, often at the expense of poor intermediate term performance. Companies can do exceptionally well with their growth, but the stock can still go nowhere if bought at a really high price. Our goal as value investors should be to compound at a moderate but steady rate of return over a long period of time. Buffett's number one rule of investing is to not lose money. Investing success over long periods of time is extraordinarily difficult, and it is important not to lose money to avoid undoing many years of good decisions in the past.

    • Investing in High-Quality Businesses for Long-Term ReturnsInvestors should prioritize quality businesses over a cheap price for fair businesses. Markets often undervalue high-quality companies, and capital cycles impact long-term returns. Pay attention to both price and quality for short and long-term investments.

      Investors look for companies that are undervalued but with potential for growth. Paying a fair price for a high-quality business is better than a wonderful price for a fair business. High-quality businesses can increase safety margins if given enough time for growth. Mean reversion doesn't always apply in some cases where great businesses continue to perform well and poor businesses continue to perform poorly. Markets consistently undervalue quality companies over long periods of time. When investing in short-term opportunities, pay attention to price, and when investing in long-term opportunities, pay attention to the quality of the business and management team. Capital cycles impact long-term returns of stockholders, and predictable patterns emerge in industries starved for capital.

    • Timing the Capital Cycle for High Risk-Adjusted ReturnsTo succeed in timing the capital cycle, investors need intellectual curiosity, a passion for learning, and the ability to act. Proper allocation of time, scanning for new ideas, and monitoring owned companies are also vital. Commodity stocks require extensive research and timing, and investing in rare bargains in size is key.

      Investors who are able to time the capital cycle well are able to achieve high risk-adjusted returns, but it involves a ton of research and a little bit of luck. To capitalize on opportunities in the market, investors must have a satiable intellectual curiosity, deep passion for continuous learning, and be prepared and ready to act. It's important to properly allocate time playing offense as well as defense, scanning other listed companies for new and superior ideas, and monitoring owned companies. Commodity stocks are not long-term investments and generate alpha in portfolios over short time periods, so timing is critical and extensive research is necessary. When finding a rare opportunity that is a bargain, allocate in size towards it.

    • Investing strategies for long-term success.Focus on long-term compounded growth and portfolio value. Don't overlook commodity sectors and consider studying spinoffs which can generate high gains during the first 12 months of independence from the parent company. Patience pays off as undervaluation may occur until procedural formalities are complete.

      For a successful investing career, focus on the long-term compounded annual growth rate and overall portfolio value with the least possible risk, not the number of investments you take. Don't dismiss commodity sector opportunities and consider studying spinoffs. Spinoffs have high base rates of success and can generate more than 10 times the average gains of the MSCI World Index during the first 12 months of independence from the parent company. Profitable opportunities may arise from companies that demerged from a large size parent and are listed with residual institutional holding. The patient investor is paid for waiting while the market undervalues the spinoff company until its procedural formalities take due course.

    • The Benefits of Spinoffs for Shareholder ValueSpinoffs can unlock hidden value, avoid tax bills, and resolve regulatory hurdles. Insider buying of spinoffs can lead to lucrative investments, and they are often misunderstood by investors, providing attractive opportunities.

      Spinoffs can create shareholder value by unlocking hidden potential of separate businesses and separating bad businesses from good ones. Conglomerates tend to trade at a discount, but spinoffs can realize value for subsidiary businesses that cannot be easily sold, recognize value by avoiding tax bills, and resolve regulatory hurdles. Management of spinoffs is empowered to make changes that create shareholder value since they own a significant portion of the spinoff stock. Insider buying of spinoffs often results in astoundingly lucrative investments, and studies have shown that spinoffs with insider buying beat the S&P 500 by a large margin. Spinoffs may receive little attention from Wall Street and are usually misunderstood and mispriced by investors, providing attractive opportunities.

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