Tim Heidecker
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January 31, 2025
TLDR: Podcast featuring comedian Tim Heidecker, best known as one half of cult comedy duo 'Tim and Eric Awesome Show, Great Job!'. He delivers creative chaos through various platforms including On Cinema, The Comedy and personal folk-rock. Check out his podcast Office Hours on YouTube.

Tim Heidecker, the multifaceted comedian, actor, and musician, featured on Andrew Santino's podcast, Whiskey Ginger. Known for his absurdist humor and pivotal role in the cult classic Tim and Eric Awesome Show, Heidecker delves into his career, influences, and thoughts on comedy's evolution. Here, we summarize the key points and insights from this engaging episode.
Overview of Tim's Unique Comedy Style
- Tim Heidecker is recognized for blending surrealism with comedy, influencing modern comedic styles.
- His work includes satirical series like On Cinema and introspective projects such as The Comedy.
- Tim's approach to comedy embraces chaos and the unexpected, mirroring the feel of older late-night talk shows where spontaneity ruled.
The Evolution of Late Night Talk Shows
Changes in Format
- Heidecker discusses the persistent traditional format of late-night talk shows despite the rise of new media.
- He suggests that new age talk shows, like his own Office Hours Live, break the mold by allowing creativity and spontaneity to thrive.
Personal Influence of Late Night Icons
- Reflecting on David Letterman, Tim admires the chaos and irreverent humor he brought to television.
- Howard Stern is also discussed, with Tim acknowledging his evolution over the years while also critiquing his shift towards a more sanitized version of comedy.
The Power of Collaborative Comedy
- Heidecker emphasizes the importance of collaboration in comedy, especially in his creative process with fellow comedians.
- He fondly recalls working with Eric Wareheim, and how their dynamic flourished through shared artistic vision and experimentation with absurd characters.
- This collaborative spirit allows for authentic, often uncomfortable humor that garners genuine reactions from audiences.
Surrealism Meets Commercial Work
- During the conversation, Tim reflects on navigating the commercial aspects of his career, managing to maintain an offbeat persona in mainstream media.
- He contrasts his experience with that of comedians traditionally known solely for their stand-up, highlighting the importance of having a unique voice while finding commercial success.
Insights on Personal Experiences and Growth as an Artist
Balancing Public Persona
- Tim talks about the pressure of maintaining a polished public image while appreciating the value of raw, unedited comedic interactions.
- He shares moments of personal embarrassment that shaped his character and comedic voice.
Learning from Mistakes
- The podcast delves into the theme of memory and the difficulty of recalling significant moments in his career, illustrating the often chaotic nature of an artist's journey.
- Heidecker explains how building his own creative world liberated him from traditional boundaries and allowed for more authentic artistic expressions.
Tim's Music and New Projects
- The podcast concluded with discussions of Tim's musical endeavors, emphasizing his upcoming live performances and collaborative projects.
- He expresses excitement about merging comedy and music, showcasing his versatility as a performer and creator.
Key Takeaways
- Tim Heidecker’s artistic journey showcases the blending of absurdity and authenticity in modern comedy.
- The evolution of late-night talk shows reflects audiences' shifting expectations, favoring authenticity over scripted routines.
- Collaboration remains fundamental to successful comedy, as seen in both Tim’s projects and the shared experiences with fellow comedians.
- Crisis moments can turn into creative milestones, providing rich material for comedic exploration.
This episode of Whiskey Ginger not only captures Tim’s unique perspective on comedy but also offers a broader commentary on the changing landscape of entertainment as he navigates the absurdity of life and art.
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Ladies and gentlemen, welcome back to Whiskey Dinner. My guest today is one of my favorite people on Earth. I say that for all my guests, but I mean, and once again today, it's Tim Heidecker. Thank you for coming. Well said. Yeah, was that smooth? Well, the name pronunciation was right on the money. Tim Heidecker. I really love Office Hours Live. Thank you. Very funny. Thank you. It's just a, it's just a, it is like, um, what new age talk show should be.
New Age? Yeah, and this, I mean like that's what we should have trained. Oh yeah, I should have transitioned. Not like pan flutes and things. Yeah. That's what I think of when I hear New Age. New Age, no. Spiritual healing. I just think now I can't believe we're still doing, like I did think they were gonna move away from the old format of like late night talk shows or talk shows.
Yeah. And when Taylor Tomlinson got her show initially I was like oh cool she'll do like but then they did kind of the at midnight format. Yeah. But I thought for some reason they were gonna let her like do her own thing but I imagine like anything you get into it and then they're like yeah we'd like to do what we've always done. Well the problem is like if
I'm a big Letterman fan. Love. Old Letterman. I mean. I like him now more than ever. I actually don't like him now. I know. It's so weird. It's almost like you don't want to see him more now. Yeah. I mean, I'm going to try to tamp my shit talking during this. No, no, no. I tend to get people think I'm kind of bitter, but I have opinions. What are you going to do, right? Give me the opinions. But you look at old Letterman and it felt like
chaos. It felt like things were barely hanging on. There's a silliness to it. There's like a irreverence to it. It felt like it was on 1230 night and it felt like no one was watching, so they were just playing. And that's kind of what we try to do on our show.
And it's really fun. I think where it runs into problems, because it's live and Vic and Doug are just like pulling stuff off the internet in real time. It was like, there's no filter, there's no, we constantly get demonetized for playing beer songs. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Banny, you for a Taylor Swift song or something. Yeah, so I don't know if it would work at 1230 on CBS, you know, but I mean, Stern is like that too. Stern always had that feeling of,
They're you're listening in on a private conversation. Well, give me the truth about Stern. Do you like him now still after all these years? I don't listen quite as much. It's not the whatever, you know, the woke Stern. Sure, sure, sure. I just don't listen as much and I don't think
I do think it's gotten a little, the world's gotten a little smaller there. For instance, I'll tune in and I'll hear like, oh, it's Ronnie again. This is getting really inside. And I'll be like, I'm kind of, I'm done with Ronnie and if there's not gonna be anything else. And there's just like new characters and stuff. I don't know, I guess I kind of, I still think he does a great interview. Like he did an interview with Paul Simon that I think was fantastic. Yeah, his interviews are great. I just think it's funny. We joke about it on this is like,
You know, he talked heavy shit about podcasting how this was kind of never going to be a real thing, and you're like, you couldn't be further off. Right. And also, I just find the hypocrisy a little annoying that I don't care about the political stances that he takes so adamantly on the show, but I do think it's fucking comically ironic that you're like, didn't used to make girls come on a Sibian?
Yes, well, I mean. And then there's this weird, like, he would ask every female guest to be like, did that guy suck your tits? I think what's interesting about him is that he shows that you can change. Yeah, you can, for sure. And that's kind of like, there's a lot of people who will definitely die stuck in the mud on what they've created, right? Yeah, it's true. So he, I don't know how, I think there's, I'm sure, I mean, if they're, I don't know, this is terrible, but,
there's probably terrible things growing inside of all the people on that show. There's like this sickness that created from all the years of the shit that they did. But I will still dip in. I don't think it's something I pick. And also his life of living in the basement of his place in the Hampton.
He did shout out my stand up special, which was pretty exciting. That's pretty cool. Now, I got a lot of respect for everybody over there. I like a lot of guys that are apart of the universe. I do, I do like them. The prank phone calls are fantastic. Yeah, they're fantastic. That killed Tony Howard Walk, so killed Tony could run and employ the most broken people live on air. It's like, how do you find the most
That was like, did you ever know Don Barris' ding dong show? Yeah, yeah, a little bit. Yeah. I mean... Have the same kind of like, where do you even find... These are what... Like, you guys have done such a good job over the years. I'm gonna compliment you a bunch, and you probably don't want it, but I don't care. Oh, I need it, I need it. Okay, here you go. Great shoes, great legs. First of all, great legs when you walked in, dude. I saw those stems. I go, this guy. The strides, the gate was perfect. I'm a walker. Yeah, you really are a big walker. You've been walking for a long time now. Since, I think since I was two. That's wild.
No, but I think what you guys have done so well is, you know, like the casting that you guys are able to put together sometimes is so remarkable. It was so unique. I think you were like, in my opinion, the first people I saw to really do that in a way where it felt super organic and it was uncomfortably comfortable. It was like perfectly uncomfortable.
Yeah, I mean, are coming to this town, we're in Hollywood. Yeah. I don't know if we're in Hollywood. We're in the valley. We're in the showbiz land. Yeah, showbiz town. We just want to, there's such a pool of people who might have
gone to a casting agent and then submitted a headshot and then forgot about it, type of people. Exactly. And more, I mean, that might seem a little cruel.
It was more about finding people that you didn't see on television ever, you know, and finding, we didn't really, as much as we liked liked sketch comedy, we didn't want to see like UCB actors in our show. Okay, faces that were recognizable. Yeah, I think we're not even recognizable, but just like,
If we were going to cast an old man, we were going to cast an old man. We weren't going to find some PCB kit and put a wig on him and put makeup on him. You know, we're just going to try to get real the way that like, you know, in a Scorsese movie or in, I don't know, and Woody Allen movie or something like that, these, you felt like these were real people. Yeah.
And that's kind of where it started, but then we got, you know, then we got addicted to it. We got to find really strange people, really interesting people, people that don't really fit the mold, aren't maybe like trained actors and just, and use them as like clay in a sculpture mode as opposed to finding comedians.
What I find so fascinating about you, again, I'm kind of kissing your ring a little bit, but I do think it's, what's fascinating is like, you're able to touch the commercial world, you know, you're able to do commercial stuff, right? Like commercial TV you've done before, you know? But then also you stay super subversive, and to do both is really difficult. I don't think there's like a handful of people in our world that can do both, and I think you've done a great job. Eric, on the other hand, not at all, terrible offer. No, not at any level.
No, it's funny how you've been able to do that. I think that's always impressive to me when I see people touch both faces. You're like, that's hard to do. Yeah, I mean, there's no plan for it. I think I'm lucky in some opportunities I've been given that just people, you know, writers or directors, something are fans or see what I can do and have the sort of creative ability or the
control to cast who they want. So I get to be in certain things. I never feel a part of that world ever even when I'm in it. I mean, no one really probably does. I feel so foreign. Tom Hanks probably doesn't. Or maybe he's the one guy that does. He's probably the one. I think he feels pretty good.
I think I feel so uncomfortable when I go to any of the spaces. I just feel like I don't belong. I didn't, I didn't, you know, I'm a stand up. I didn't go to formal training. So I just feel like a phony. Yeah. And I'll work really hard for them. But do you find that like you find sometimes you get caught, not caught, but you get an opportunity to be in that world and you find that you don't have the skills to do it. Like how are you with memorizing lines?
That is, that is oddly enough, like the skill that I am very good at. Oh, well then that's all you need to know. Yeah, but then the forcible like, stand here, stand here, say what we told you to say, but the, but the uncomfortable thing is when I, when I know I'm working across someone that's like very, you know, that was like, went to.
or you know what I mean? If you're like really classically trained or you've got such a wealth of experience, I do get super intimidated and nervous, because I'm like, these people are gonna see through me. They're like, you're a loser hack that they hired for the day. And that's hard to escape, because you're like, even if they're like, hey, good job in that scene. They didn't mean it. Well, those people are way more intimidated by you, I would guess. Well, maybe upfront, and then they do a scene, then they're like, never mind.
This guy's crap. What are we talking about? Right. No, but you've done a great job dancing in those worlds, but my question is, because I'm not as familiar with you only just your work. I don't know your history. Are you like a film school guy? Did you go? Yeah. You did. You went to film school. Yeah. I mean, I started, before film school, I wanted to be an actor. I grew up performing in plays.
goofing off in the basement and, you know, God bless basements. That's an East Coast thing, baby. Oh, that's right. Yeah. They don't have those. It's so weird, so foreign. When you see one out here, I'm like, look at this. Yeah. Look at this. They got it. Well, I guess it's an earthquake issue. I think someone else told me it was, did the bad rock to something about the rock out here so hard and it's not easy to go down. It's too expensive. Yeah. There's plenty of pools though.
Yeah, that's true. But that's probably a lot easier to dig than foundation of a home, maybe, to frame it on a... I don't know. Well, I think we should talk about this for the rest of the podcast. Let's do that. So guys, right in, if you guys know anything about digging pools versus... I love when people speculate. I know, like, we don't know. No, but they don't have... We're not going to get to that. You know what? I think it is. Also, there's a thing under my leg right now that would tell us, but I'm not going to go to that. Don't do that. And he can research soil conditions. It's soil conditions. There it is. But why pools?
I think it just, it says the high cost of construction involved in digging deep enough for the foundation to be stable. Okay. So I was right. Yeah. I was right. When you're doing a basement, you got to go way deeper and then there's got to be a foundation under that. Yes. Okay, cool. So I was right. Say I was right, please. Yeah, you're right. Thank you so much. On the money. Right on the, no. But I was, yeah. So I wanted to be a, one of the do, make stuff. I was in bands. I was, you know, just creative.
Energy ADD kind of like constantly annoying everybody around me mom and dad mom and dad together They're separated right now, but they were yeah, but they were they that's fairly recent. Oh wow. Yeah, they waited
I don't know if they waited. I don't know if that's how they would frame it And they just like I do know people like remember those kids that were like my parents are together But as soon as we leave the house this is every I grew up in Chicago everyone in the Midwest they stay together because they don't want to be The children. Yeah, they don't want to be socially shunned right? They're like just get them to get them to high school right and most of these kids are like They're not going to college right these kids my kids are all dumb. They're like let them you know I mean like that was the vibe is like they'll just move out and get a gig and they'll be fine. Yeah
But so were your parents super supportive? Were you kind of grown up in a house of? Totally, yeah, totally. Were they artistic? No, not at all. But they were, they were like, you know, as long as you're happy, they were very strict and, I mean, not very strict. They were physically abusive. And they were both. But not strict. They just did it for fun. Westboro Baptist Church members. Yeah. Yeah, we were, I was one of 25. That's wild. Yeah, you guys are protest together as a family. Yeah. The family that protest together.
That's what they say. No, my dad had used car dealership and that was sort of the family business that he wasn't kind of like kind of inherited from my grandfather. It all sounds like I'm Matt Gates here, but it was like, you know, this is like, this is like, this is the 80s and it was a Ford dealership. So it was like kind of skin, like, you know, every month was kind of like, can we sell one more car kind of thing? Wow.
But it was a nice childhood. But yeah, very supportive. I did like in high school, I think, didn't get into some acting program that I was kind of expecting to maybe get into. And I said, I better rethink this. I better learn a skill, like a trade. And that brought me to film school, which is kind of like, if you can control as much of the process as possible,
you're better off than just being an actor waiting in a casting room for. Dude, I felt very lucky that we built our own little worlds. Yeah. Because we talked about it the other day about like, you know, you get offers now sometimes. They're like, hey, we're interested in you for trying to be a part of this thing.
And then we'll give you $187. Okay, for all of it. I was like, okay, I don't know if we could do that, but that's become the new world. So what you've created, I mean, two decades of television shows,
You know what I mean? You did it the way without knowing that that was the way that you had to go. Yeah, we didn't know. I mean, there was this beautiful little chunk of time where adult swim existed, which happened to be, it still does, but not in the way that it did, where it was very much a singular vision of its creator, this guy, Mike Lazo, who was
And once he decided that he wanted this sort of point of view out there, he didn't care how it, he wasn't a guy that meddled in it. He just was like, I think you guys are funny, go off and make something. That's awesome. And yeah, that was so singular. Apparently it used to be that way a lot more.
you hear sometimes Comedy Central is kind of like that in its infancy you hear a lot of those shows that they let people kind of play and go wild and then there's that thing about the record companies in the 60s where you had the fat old business guys who ran the companies who were like I don't get any of this stuff but it's making me money so go off and you know they weren't they weren't giving notes on lyrics yeah I know I died they all died they all definitely had heart attacks and died
I don't understand what they do. Yeah. But I know we're rich. I know the color. I know one color. That's green. That's green, baby. It is true. It felt like that was because you're like, I had such a crush on the Steve Broul series and the Wayne and Jan Schuyler. Yeah. Mamie left so hard. He had a crush on Jan, I think. Big time. Big time. Was it reciprocated? Oh, yes. Big time.
The one line that I say, sometimes I'll text lines to friends from, you know when you like have one small line that only one friend knows that you go, but I always say, and red wine is terrible for my interior rash. That's such a good line. Is that from him or me or Jan? That's from you. Yeah, Jan. That's from you saying that. I mean, I still, I mean, I'm very close with John and,
I still, if you, if on a text chain, if you say something that, if you get, tell him anything where I tell him, you know, I tell, he tells me something, I invited him to something the other night and he said, I can't go and I just wrote back. I know. And that's just, you know, that's the, we constantly quote ourselves.
How did you guys get linked up? How did you meet John in the first play? John this was you know 2004 and we were doing the show Tom goes to the mayor which is our first show cartoon and he was we knew who he was but he wasn't I mean I guess he had done
Chicago, so he was an Academy Award nominated actor. But he was, you know, he was like a character actor in the Paul Thomas Anderson movies and stuff and we loved him.
But so we sent him this script and I had coincidentally ran into him at a bowling alley like a couple days later. What are we talking? Chateau lanes? That might be it. Chateau, great town. Yes, exactly. Yeah. You know Ron Lynch. Everyone knows Ron Lynch. Yeah.
It was his birthday party. He did a voice on Tom Goes to the Mayor, and I saw him there, and I introduced myself, and he was like, oh, I got a script from you guys, and it's really funny. He was very curious, and also was very interested in the comedy.
alt comedy scene. There was some overlap. Anyways, he said, this is funnier than a lot of the comedy scripts that I'm getting these days. Sure. And so he came over to our studio, our little office in Hollywood.
And there was like, you know, our usual like seven guys and gals working at computers and all of them were like hipster looking people. Artsy looking people, you know. There were no executives around. There was just art everywhere. And there was weird ephemera and goofy stuff. And you know, you walked in there and it felt like
And he said to us, like, who's in charge of this? And we were like, I guess us, you know? It was a network, and he was just immediately sniffing out a clubhouse, basically. This is a place I could play. And he immediately saw that we were working on the sketch show and had this idea for a green-grosser type of person, like a correspondent.
And that was it. And he ran with it. And he's been, you know, somebody we haven't done stuff within a while but
you know, very close. It is, I mean, you know, a lot of us have to thank you guys. Cause that's kind of what we created. Like Bobby and I created our little stupid podcast and that kind of feels like our world of a cast of, you know, idiot fun characters. That's why we were if we found him and a lot of guys that come and then go on the show. And it's all because of that kind of attitude of like, well, we'll just make a little dumb playhouse and hope that people want to have fun and be free. And we'll see what we dig out of it.
inherently, it kind of births like just super funny accidental shit, because no one is there to go, I don't know if that's. Yeah, there's no committee. It just doesn't matter. Yeah, it doesn't. And if it fails, it's even better. It's almost like it's better when it's uncomfortable. Yeah. And yeah, so I thank you guys for that, because we do beg, borrow, and steal from the idea of your world of like,
free characters kind of trying out shit. And if it bombs, it's even better. If it works, it's just a part of that becomes a part of the zeitgeist of the world. Yeah, I mean, I still do that now with office hours and with on cinema, we built our own streaming network for that show. And we shot a new season that's coming out on Christmas. I don't know when this is going to come out, but
We shot it a couple weeks ago and it was that same feeling of, I'm playing with my friends. It's all we're doing is, we work and there's a lot of talk and thought and deliberation that goes into trying to make it as good as possible, but then it just becomes, you're playing. You're like, I'm back in the basement. Who do you think you vibe with the best? Do you think Dog Pound, Doug?
Doug, Doug, I've known maybe the longest, so there is a history there. He's fantastic, by the way. He's very quick. Yeah. And I like, we have a brother relationship, I think, which is very like... You oddly look alike. We do look a little bit alike. Yeah. He's a Chicago guy. I know, I love, I met him through Eric Andre's camp, and that thing.
But I was shooting this thing and it was like, you know, much like here. I mean, we'd shoot it like that show shot a little more like a TV show. But it was like, I'm in charge. And it always freaks me out a little bit. That's great.
That's good. And it's still, it's small, but it's still like, there's like, we're just, we're doing this. We're literally doing it with everyone that's paying for, you know, they're subscribing to the show. There's no ads, there's no network, there's no, you know, media conglomerate involved. And I've just luckily been, you know, I think we had that adult swim foundation that I think you kind of do need, like,
with Louie, you had a network before he went on his own. I don't know what your background is, but... Trash. Somebody in your world, probably, Bobby came from Matt TV, right? So it did help that there was a generation, there was a period of time where there was big companies,
that gave way too much money to crazy shit. That exposed, that spent millions of dollars advertising it, putting it in front of all these people's computers and TVs and billboards and stuff. And then now we're all still here. Those companies have moved on. Yeah, they're gone. Yeah, they're gone. But we've kept maybe a fan base or an audience from that experience.
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Ginger. I like to interest.
Did you ever find that there was like a sketch or a show that you guys really wanted to make that you can never get done to this day that you're like, man, why don't we ever go back to that? There's lots of, I mean, Eric and I wrote written pilots and series ideas that don't ever go anywhere. People think that we just kind of decide what to do and then we do it. I mean, you know that's not how it works, but I mean, I'm fascinated with apocalyptic stories and
I think there was a good apocalyptic show, The Will Forte Show. Last Man on Earth. Yeah. That was a great show. Yeah. I still think there's something there in mind. Yeah. So there's been a show that we tried to get made that was that kind of in that world that didn't happen.
I don't know, the sketches, that question, I don't, I also don't remember anything. I don't, I have no memory. What do you think that is? Why do we have no memory? Who can we blame it on? Bob Odenkirk, not to name drop, but.
It's not that big of an aim, that's fine. It's not that. He's got to do Glenn, Gary, Glenn Ross. I know, I saw that. I might have to go in there. And Bill Burr is in that, right? I totally picture it, yeah. Can you? Yeah, it's perfect. I mean, it was Lemon, Ed Harris. I'm really good at this, so let me take over. Okay, do it, please. Ready? Yeah, don't do it. Are you ready? Yeah. Are you ready? Boom. Spacey. Boom.
Ed Harris, Alan Arkan, Al Pacino, Jack Lemmon, Alec Baldwin.
It's all I got. And two of those five people have been, well, they've been cast into canceled, canceled and cast out. That is kind of. That's called the Glen Gary curse. Is it really? And you think that's coming for Odenkirk? Well, I know things about him that, yes, he's exposing. Pull up the graphic of exposed, please. We do a big exposed piece. Exposed. Bob said, he was, he was talking about writing, he wrote a memoir and he was like, how hard it was because he's like,
I'm too busy thinking of new things. Right. I can't hold all those things in my head. That's actually probably a part of it. How do we get? Because my memory is really bad. And sometimes I'm like, oh, remember that? And I'll go, oh, yeah, that's awesome. But I just feel weird about it. Because you know, Jacqueline Novak, she's hilarious.
Yeah, so funny. I saw her the other night, and she was telling me about seeing us doing a show together years ago at a comedy festival, and she was telling me about what I was doing and how funny it was to her, and it was a very specific thing. But I have nothing from that. What's the oldest memory you have in your brain?
Well, I mean, I was an early masturbator. Yeah, me too. Two years old. Oh, I was one and a half. I got you. I got you by six months. I have this dream that I remember from being very young. That was my, I feel like a shame dream. Give it to me. It was a shame dream. Shame, I was like, it was me and my mom, sorry, me and my dad and my sister leaving,
to go somewhere, but my mom was on the couch, but it was only her head. So it was this feeling of like, we're leaving to go do something. We know you can't come with us. I mean, I think I had that dream when I was like four years old. Was his head on the cushion?
It was her head on top of the... Oh, on the backs. Maybe she was hiding behind a couch. That could have been it. Maybe it wasn't a dream at all. I have one of those torturous... I've misremember because of trauma. I have one of my mom, my stepdad went to Hawaii, and I was staying at my grandmother's house. I remember his pouring rain, but the grandmother handed me the phone and walked away.
And I remember hearing my mom go, hey, and then me laughing, not saying anything, thinking how funny it was. And then they were like, oh, I think we lost it. And then they hung up. And back then, it was like calling from Hawaii was like a thing. And then my grandmother was like, you're done talking about it? And then I just started bawling because I never got to talk to them. And then it stuck in my brain as like,
Why would I do that? Why did I waste this? What if they never come back? That's like one of those childhood weird, where I'm like, maybe I did talk to them the very next morning, but in my mind, it's like, we almost never spoke again. I didn't see them for weeks. Listen to this memory that I did a sign of bad memory. Yesterday, I'm in my studio, the office hours, which is my garage. Oh, it's at your house. That's right, dude. That's smart.
And I'm in the where the guys sit and like where you're sitting kind of in this side room And I see this medic I see this like medication hidden behind something and I pull it out and it's like it's an Epi pen. Oh shit, and I go What the fuck is this and it I look at and it's got my name on it and
like a prescription sticker, my name, like a barcode, like the highlighter thing on it. Not a problem. No, and it's like unopened. And I'm just sitting with this going, this is a, and I call the guys, I'm like, do you guys know why there's an EpiPen in the studio? And they're like, no, maybe, I'm like, there's, there's like a full mystery.
I don't know anything about this. I don't have allergies. I don't, nothing, maybe one of the, and it was like, I don't know where this came from. Why is my name on it? That's so creepy. This is Memento. And then last night I was talking to my wife, she's like, yeah, like a year ago, you want to get an allergy test? Cause I've allergic to some things and they gave you something because of the test. You know where they poke you? Yeah. She's like, we're going to send you an EpiPen cause there's like a small chance that you might have a reaction to this. Oh.
full white, full blackout of that experience. It was a year ago. That's dark. That's so dark. And that me looking at this thing didn't like recall that. Thank God for your wife. Yeah. Honestly. My wife does that. She picks up, she'll tell me stuff that she's like, did you not remember that? Yeah.
No, I don't know. And I also, I think I like the Odin Kirk approach is like, well, I'm just trying to think of cool heads elsewhere. I'm going that way. Yeah. Yeah. It's so hard to go this way. What was on the allergy test, by the way? What are you allergic to? Let's rattle them off. Yeah. Well, stand up. Yeah. That me too. I'm podcast.
No, I'm allergic to apples and like certain fruit. This guy knows what I'm talking about. Also, there's apples. Makes my mouth itch, right? I thought that happened to everyone until college. Makes a roof in my mouth. Yeah, it gets, it's very irritated. Wow.
And I occasionally explore the idea of solving it or curing it or whatever. You're going to alphabet it. I'll just eat so many fucking things. There's a thing that they do where you're supposed to do this spray every day for two years and it's going to go away. Do you think I can't remember to brush my teeth? That's an issue, honestly. The epicend thing, no. Who cares? I can't have that thing anymore. It's like, great, who gives a shit?
Yeah, there's plenty of things. There's plenty of other things. And my wife can't have eggplant. She was like, that's weird. I'm like, when do we eat eggplant? No, no. Like, how often am I picking up an apple? Really, truly. I'm almost never eating apples. I'd like to eat an apple. I'd like to eat a crisp. I mean, I used to be able to eat apples. I'm going to send you videos from now on of me eating apples in the morning for singing them one of just delicious. Did it go worse through time?
You know what, I might not be, it's not like, you know, you don't eat, I don't just don't eat apples, so maybe I'm not anymore. Let's get an apple. Let's do it. I wouldn't die or anything, I would just be like mildly uncomfortable. Would you bring the happy pan with you? No, you should bring it with you everywhere you go now, just because that's a way to get out of a meeting too. Yeah, if you're like, I can't.
stab me with this right now. Yeah, I got I was on a I had an episode on an airplane. I had a vasal vagal response. What I know exactly. Facial vagal. It's your central nervous system. It does like it's like a shock thing that happens. And you like your low pass out. Yeah, you kind of low blood pressure pass out. I've got a good one for you with that. But
Go ahead. And they thought the doctor they called to the front of the plane thought I was on drugs. And I was like, oh, no, I'm not on drugs. I'm completely sober. Did you take something yesterday? I've been feeling a little ill the past few days. I was like, I haven't put anything in my system. I've barely been eating food. And he didn't believe me. So they thought I was full of shit because they were like, the reaction was so strange. It seemed like a medical emergency. So he gave me fucking Narcan.
You know that they give the heroin addict. Well, of course, I'm texting my wife in the air and I'm like, these guys are thinking I'm on drugs and they're trying to give me Narcan. And then she's googling. This is thank God for Google. She's like, if, if you're not overdosing Narcan will not hurt you. It doesn't do anything to you. Well, that was my worry. I'm like, you're going to give me this is going to kill me.
Yeah, it's like the thing in the adrenaline shot. Yeah, exactly. No, so I took the Narcan and the guy was like, I had zero reaction to it. And so he finally believed him, but I was like, that's how crazy that they were, because I do get the scenario of them being like, dude, don't lie to us. We're not the cops. Like if you're ODing on the plane and I'm trying to explain it, I can't even have food. They're like, sure dude, just sit down and take the Narcan, shut the fuck up, take the...
I was on a plane recently where a guy passed out, and it was very scary. But the Vainal Bagels, that was Vainal Bagels. I like Vainal Bagels. Yeah, Vainal Bagels. Mine's Vainal Bagels, yeah. Mine's Vainal Bagels, yeah. Do you want to hear another story? Give it to me, yeah. Do we like, are we good? We love stories. Are we good? Do we not get, okay. No, no, stories are good. Stories are good. Stories are good. I think I, I mean, I might be in the dog house for telling this story. Tell it!
but because it involves the old lady, but she doesn't watch the podcast. Is that a mind? She is. She's going to. She does not. She has a life. She's an adult with a life. No offense to everybody watching.
We play softball in an intramural softball league. I love this. Are we talking 16-inch, 12-inch? Is it glove or no glove? Glove. Okay. We mean no glove. I've played for a long time in 16-inch Chicago style softball. No glove. I wouldn't critical know about it.
Like, you get a line drive, and you're playing second base, you're catching with your bare hands. It's softer. It's actually like a soft ball, which is the name of the sport should actually be. Yeah. Because the soft ball, we're playing with it. It's hard as a rock. It's hard as a rock. Well, this is where the story goes.
I am at home, it's Friday night, and I'm shooting this commercial very early the next morning. So, Marilyn, my wife is going to softball practice at night, that night. So, I'm gonna skip tonight, because I just wanna chill. And it's about three miles from where we live, up this canyon, where there's some ball fields where they practice. And we've got two kids, eight and 11.
and she's on the field. She takes a ground ball, bounces up and hits her in the cheek. It's a deflection, so it's not like a direct hit, but she feels it. She doesn't think much of it, but she takes a break, she checks, she makes sure that she's okay, and they get ready to leave.
So next thing I know I get a call from my wife, very disoriented, saying I was just in an accident. I'm not sure. I think the ambulances are come. Ambulances on their way, something scary, a shit like that. I'm on this can't. I'm right down the street from the ballpark.
So I've raced there. I have a very hard time tying my shoes. Yeah, I see that. I can see that. But she's trying to get down there. And I get a couple miles away to where I see her car run off the road into another car. And the kids are in the backseat of the car.
And everybody's fine. They're freaked out and crying. The car is like, it was like a fender bender style. It was not a... Not T-bone. We're not upside down or anything like that. Right, right, right. But Marilyn was driving home, blew her nose.
and passed out. Oh shit. And that she went, what happened was when she got hit, it kind of broke her sinus in her nose, in her face, and it did the same thing with that nerve. That is a big response, yeah. Yeah, that nerve got triggered and her blood pressure dropped. She passed out, exactly up in you, but while driving. Oh my God. And thank God, who I don't believe in,
He's here right now. God, come on in. She was just like, you know, coming at a certain place in the road where she was, you know, it just kind of coasted off and kind of just kind of bumped into this car. But a mile, like maybe a half mile back, she's like open on the canyon side, which is just like, you know, I can't even think about it.
Mulholland Drive, baby. Exactly. This is why we live in the flats. You got to stay flat. Yes, they flat. Do you have a fear of heights? No, I just, whenever I went to friends' houses that were in the hills, I was always like, what are you going to do? There's that road that if you go from like, go the back way back from Malibu. Yeah.
that goes down this Malbo Canyon, I guess. Yeah, one of those. And there's some, I have a bad fear of heights. And there are just some turns in there that are like, you're dead. And there's no lights at night. There's no guard rail. There's like a two foot guard rail as a joke. Yeah, maybe we'll see what happens. That's a bit from the cops. Make it real low.
I found out that you'll flip something for us to do up here. We don't get to do anything. I was in Ireland, like the first or second time I went to Ireland, I went to the Cliffs Amour on the Western coast. You've never been, it's just unbelievably beautiful. But in the same way where somebody goes, Grand Canyon, come on, who gives it? And then you go and you're like, oh my God, it does something to your inside. The Cliffs Amour are the same kind of like,
Not exactly the clips of less. Yeah, yeah. The clips are way more. Here we go. I was so taken aback by it. And then I realized it was wet. It's always wet and it's slippery grass. There's no fence. There's no protective board. Any idiot.
I, yeah. Can you lock up and fall? And I was like, I slowly started to, I wasn't even that close. It was like, 12 feet. No, I'm not getting anywhere near this place. It's just slowly backed up. Seeing all these tourists like, nah, by the edge. And I thought, this is, they know people fall every year, but the Irish government's like, well, you know. It's your choice. It's your life. Yeah. And you fall, you fall. That the sea take you. That's the Irish way. Oh, speaking of the Forte, he has a new show, by the way. Have you seen that bodkin show in Ireland? No, no. It's, bodkin, is that the name? I'm so dumb.
I was like a mystery. Yeah, I should watch that. I don't know why. I don't watch any shows. See, my wife and I are trying to watch shows. Get it back into shows. Because we don't do it. Everyone does it and we don't do it. I know. And everyone's like, do you guys watch? And we're like, we don't. Yeah. We'll sit around at night, play with the dog and talk shit. And that's kind of it. You're not really talking.
No, we talk shit. You're not sitting down, like, how are you? You know who I hate? Oh, that's fine. That's it every day. I don't want to hear that you're at night talking with your wife. No, we just talk shit about stuff. Yeah. Yeah, we really do. Bodkin, am I right? Yeah. Bodkin. And someone was like, you guys should try it. So now we're like making a point to be normal. We're trying to be like, how can we
sit together, watch your show. That's depressing. Our schedules are just so ridiculous. We don't have kids. What does your wife do? She's an arms dealer and international arms dealer. She works with the Russian government. Hey, people, you know what? I know you're joking, but people do that shit and I don't like.
It's a living. It is. Well, someone has to do it. Guns have to get from A to B. Right. And she's a bit harder than that. Hopefully it's done safely and responsibly. It's not. And you don't have arms on the black market. Like if it's going to happen, let's make sure it's happening responsibly, regulated. Right.
We're not really calling it the black market anymore. Just so you know. Okay. It's a little offensive. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. Just the other market. Yeah. I hear you. We're calling it the new market, new age market. The underground market. The underground market. Yeah. No, but she's, we both have such busy schedules. It is funny. So we try to watch a couple of shows. We watch Penguin, which we've talked about. Penguin. Loved Penguin. Loved. It was so good. Loved Penguin. No, no, no. You got a pronunciation on Penguin that I'm interested in. What is it? Penguin.
Yeah, I mean, that's a little Midwest. You say it. Penguin. Penguin. Penguin. Penguin. No, he says penguin, sang each.
How do you say the thing that's on top of your house? What is that called? Santa. Bam. You say roof, rough. I definitely say roof. Roof. Yeah. Yeah. You're Pennsylvania? Yeah. But I don't have like, I'm East, Pennsylvania, but I don't really have like a Philly accent. Yeah, cause those guys, yeah. Philly, Philly's such a, I love Philadelphia because it's so fascinating.
How did you guys come up? How did you get this? Do you know what I mean? Like, what did that even come from? Like the south you can hear, you understand kind of where the south started to come from. But Philly, New York obviously, but Philly, something about Philly is very like, what happens? It's caught in the middle. I can't even do it in them from there. Like I can't put it on. Yeah, yeah. Use guns. Yeah. Use. Eagles. You Eagles, yeah. Floyers. Yeah. Yeah.
But you went from PA to New York. I've only lived three places in my life. Maybe, no, four, I'm sorry. For Allentown, Pennsylvania, so I grew up. Philadelphia went to college there, met Eric, lived in New York for four years, and then moved here.
Do you miss New York ever? No. You like it out of here. This is for you, yeah. I did, you know, you go to New York, you see the people you know. You see some of the people you know. Yeah. Yeah. No, but I got a movie there. I'm going to drop it. No, no, please keep talking. I do access, but they come in and out. I like it. I really do.
But yeah, I did a movie there this summer. I got to live there for like a month and a half. That's enough. And just like, yeah, it was nice. Got a nice taste. Yeah. Taste and eat. Where'd you live when you were in New York? I was in Williamsburg in Brooklyn. Very nice. Which, I used to live there when I was in 2003. Back before it was hip.
Yeah, well, it was really it was actually hit. That was when it was originally hip. It was like Ritzy. Vice started there kind of hit. Right. Right. But now it's like tourism, like hip tourism. It's actually very weird. It's so pricey. It's so funny. A buddy of mine had a place there for years on Drags on Drags. Yeah, Drags on Drags. And I go visit him for years and years and years. And I think one time he was like, I have a hard time letting that building go because he was moving.
And he was like, I shouldn't let that go, right? And for years, he kept it. And then now, I think an apartment in this building was like a, it's like a one bed, one bath, little chanting. It was like two million, two and a half million dollars. And I was like, that little fucking bullshit apartment you had was that, I mean, it's still as much as as much as you have like a, you know, what's that marine layer? What's that store called marine layer?
It's always when I know when something's gone gentrified, you see a marine layer store. It's like, you still have those stores, which who wants that, and you have the, what's the eyeglasses place that is on every... Wait, hold on, Warby Parker? Warby Parker? Yeah, that's not everything. But it's also like shitty. Like, they're still like, you know, it's just like the buildings themselves are falling apart.
let's name all the stores that would be there. Melville, is that a story? Brandi Melville. Brandi Melville. That's there. That's gotta be there. You gotta have an aloe yoga if you're gonna really gentrify it. Aloe yoga is huge. You gotta gentrify with aloe. Lulu of course is gonna be there. Lulu is not as popular as anymore. We're going more to Viori and aloe. You might have it, you know, they're gonna have a Tesla shop. They'll have a Tesla showroom. Yes, and you can touch it, but they're like, sir, these are after sale. Yeah, it is.
Yeah. And then there's one more straw. Gonna have a solid straw. These are the keys to gentrification. If you're looking to gentrify a neighborhood, please pick up our book. Yeah. Tim and I are releasing a book. I shouldn't have ice cream, but it is a salt and straw. Just a little bit.
It is funny what I walked through those stores, too. After you go through the West Village, like if you're headed to Chelsea, they have a little strip of every one of those fucking stores. Yeah, yeah. It's literally like they're back-to-back to that, and I'm like, they did it. Look at this, they came in and they did it. Yeah, it's like they must have a catalog. We definitely want to salt and straw, we want an aloe, and we'll just check these boxes here.
And then also the, what's the shoe one that I see all that, all birds. You gotta have an all birds. And if you don't have an all birds. The other level of it is like the regions that have the line of like the stuff that you can't afford, like the, no one can afford the Dior or whatever. Just high end. High, high end fashion. Like in Glendale, the Americana, you know the Americana? Yeah.
Which we go to because it's like, it's like, you know, there's a movie theater there and there's a couple of things for the kids to do there and we, you know, there's a little grass. It's an outdoor mall. It's nice. It's an outdoor mall. It's fine. But over the past few years, it's just every store has been replaced by like Tiffany's and Balenciaga. Right. And all these things are just like, who's going? But no one shops. No one goes in those shops. Whenever I see them, they're all empty.
They're all empty. There's like one man in there, like looking around, because he works there and waiting for a shift to be over. And they always have security offer. Yeah. And you're like, no one's in Toronto. I mean, every city has that strip of like those seven stores, a Rolex store. But you can't buy a watch yet. That's the funny. Do you know this? No. This is like the funniest thing, the revolution of like watches. Like when I was a kid, I remember my dad wanted like a nice watch. My dad's like never bought anything nice for himself.
And back then you could go to like a store and be like, look at an omega watch and then try to, you know, try to buy one, right? It's a dealer head. And now you could, they have the watches. Yeah. And then you go in and then they'll go, well, these are for display. And you're like, well, what if I wanted to buy one? They're like, well, then you'd have to talk to one of our authorized dealers and have a relationship and then you can order one.
What the fuck? What the fuck is this for? That watch culture is so weird. John and Fred, Armisen and I, we have this text thread that's just non-total nonsense, you know, as I'm sure you do with your comedy friends. Losers, yeah, my loser friends. You know the news, like Apple News or something,
if you'd sort of read an article, they start feeding you more things like that. One of us got in like joke, you know, whatever randomly clicked on like an article about luxury watches. And now I'm getting all these articles about luxury watches. And I'm just sending them to those guys. We're having this fake conversation about do you have the new, the new model? And did you see this picture of George Clooney with this new Omega and like,
that I don't get. I mean, talk about things I don't get. I give a long list, but watch thing. I like it. It's funny. I like watches, but the culture is very like, I can't keep up with that. I'm not good at keeping up with trends or any of that stuff. I've always been like, if I like something, if I go, oh, I like the way that looks, then I like it. But as soon as you talk to someone about it, they make you feel dumb. Yeah. So I refuse to bring it up. Like if I liked one nice watch, I was like, oh, I really like this watch. Yeah. Someone like, oh, that's not the, is that the four nine 64?
and be like, oh yeah, I really just thought of it. I'm a guy that's like, I don't like any believe, you know, you might. No luxuries. No luxuries and like no attention towards me. Sure. Like unless I'm directing, unless I'm controlling it and making something, but like in my normal life. Yeah.
Don't look at like, you know, no tattoos, like, no, nothing to say. Nothing that says, look at me. Right. There's two kinds of people in our world, I think, because he knows, Bobby and I have a very polar relationship with that.
a little anxious in public and I don't really love, I kind of want to like sift through it quietly. I like to hat down in the airport and just kind of, and I'm not saying like, oh, I'm so famous, but I just kind of like to disappear. You just get to where I'm going. And Bob, Bob, he was like,
If he could have fucking balloons and pop them every five feet. He would do, he loves it. And it's like, life is like self-expression. It's awesome. I wish I had that. Like fashion, like look at me, I'm just like, I'm like, I have a black sweater, regular shoes, you know.
I'm about as, I have four colors that I wear. If they did a montage of me on this show or the other one, it's like, yeah. It's this much on the color wheel. It's like a little tiny sliver, but that's only because I think it's a personality thing in our business. You're either like this or you're the exact opposite. It's hard to go through both. Like when you meet people in our business, they're usually,
loud and big and they want it all, especially in the comedian world. Well, like we talked before a little bit about how our worlds do cross, but there is still a weird. Yeah, I was saying I feel like coming to a foreign country coming here. Right. I'm very gracious for you to have him. Very nice of you to have. Yeah. Well, I've, but I don't know the world and I don't
I don't know a lot of this. We probably know some of the same people, but it does feel like different nation states of comedy. What I found is I've gotten older. When I was younger, it was always this weird competitive thing of sketching improv worlds versus the improv world.
But when I started, I came out out here in like 06, 07, and back then, a lot of the rooms that were available for me as a stand-up were on the east side, and they were kind of alternative rooms, like the El Sids, or, you know, what was it, Gower Gulch, like in a tiger lily, and you know, like a lot of that stuff kind of was home to me. That hotel, Hotel Cafe. Yeah, not Hotel Cafe, but there was like a Radisson Inn or something like that, Vermont. Yeah, Vermont.
basement, yeah. And Virgil, it's like all these kind of things were where we could get in if we were young because the clubs wouldn't want us there. And all those places looked to have, like you stand up for welcome because you were, you can just come and do 10, 15 minutes. And just fuck around, yeah. Yeah, yeah. So I knew, so that world I knew so well. So like Rutherford and I kind of were came up together a little bit. And then it is kind of fun when you see guys break into their own world. And then you grow
into your adult brain and you're like, oh, wow, there's way more people in that world that I love and respect that we just don't see your cross paths. But when you're young, it's like this weird competitive. Well, I mean, I remember going to like, I mean, you guys all talk about the store. My feeling of the store is always like, oh, that's a place, that's a dark place that I am not welcome. It's a dark place. You are welcome. I don't like the energy. I mean, I've tried, I've done a few things there that I felt like that's probably no disrespect
Sure. To anybody there, but I was sort of like, I'm going to stay in my little world. Sure, yeah. So there is the feeling of there's that side and there's another side, but also it's just, well go ahead. Let me give you an alternate viewpoint on this.
because I know this feeling, but I've drugged guys from both sides to both ways. I think I feel like I'm a little bit of a conduit for this. Like Rory would always say stuff about it. Yeah, and then he would go, there is only one. And it was called Rory.
But Rory used to say that a lot and then he would come around and I do understand it But then when you sink into the world and of like our original room Feels it's a black box theater and it feels exactly like anywhere. Yeah anywhere Yeah, and the more guys have come over more guys and girls have come over and they like it and My my pitch was whenever guys would make fun of me from the east side that I knew They'd be like how the fucking comedy store and I'd say look at it like this though
That place is a true testament of not your audience because on the east side rooms, there's a lot of locals, you know, a lot of like Silver Lake Los Felis people, and that's great. But like that place is filled with tourists for different races and genders and classes. Oh yeah, for sure. So a true general audience. That's the public. So to me, I was like, if you're looking to see how you do on a broad spectrum, this place kind of has that in its bones.
And our history, that place historically, had just the most weird creative, loose, free, wild. So I always pitched people that perspective. I was like, come try it. Because I do understand there is the undercurrent of yucky, bro-y. And that always exists in places. Yeah, I mean, I also am like,
I do a stand-up character, I'm sure you've seen. It's very, it is confrontational towards stand-up comedy itself. And I actually did it at the Comedy Store once, and it did not work. But it did.
Well, it did in a sense. I've done it. I do that character. If I do it for what I would call my crowd, it's a totally different energy. It's full, it's actual laughter at the right places. I've kind of, and so I actually did it there. I think Duncan Trussell and Natasha Legero, it coaxed me over there. This was 10 or more years ago,
They saw it as like a prank, you know, let's do a prank, but not everybody saw it that way, and I understand that it's sort of like, come on, this is what we do, and you're being kind of an asshole about it, you know, and... I would have taken it the other day. I know, and a lot of people... Because I love that. And a lot of people would, but some people... People with a couple of noodles... A couple of things flying around, yeah.
But I don't know, there was a guy there, and you'll know who this person is. I can tell you who it is, but he was like the booker there or somebody. Oh, okay, the manager, yeah. And he was very sweet, but he took me out as if I was truly trying to be a comedian. And he was like,
You know, you just gotta keep at it. Maybe you should come back on a quieter night, on a Tuesday or something, and we'd get you earlier. But you just keep working at it. You know, like very encouraging. I'm giving you notes. Yeah. But there, I don't know, there's something like, I mean, with the sketch and making stuff, like, there's something more collaborative to me than... Totally. Obviously, you know, with Stand Up, it's one per, it's you in the audience.
I'm sure you have tremendous camaraderie with your colleagues, some of them. Yeah, like any, I mean, some of them you get on with, but what I'm curious of is like in our world,
You know, as we get older, we all get so busy and we're all just touring and trying to put together our shit. You just see people less. Does that happen with you guys too? It's harder and harder as time. Because when you're young, it is collaborative. You're like, we're all working and then you'll tag people's bits and go, hey, man, I've heard this joke I really liked and do you want a tag or two? And so it became this great community, but then you get older. You almost don't see anybody anymore.
No, I mean, that's the beauty of what we do, what you do here and what I do with office hours. I'm bringing people into my house, literally. Right. And so I keep in touch with people often that way. I mean, and meet new people, all sorts of people that I didn't know, my producer helps so much to find new people that I wouldn't have, I'm not out watching stuff.
But, you know, people like John Early or Paperland, these people, so many other people that I, you know, my memory wouldn't work. But I go, and I maintain relationships through booking them on the show. That is the way we hang out. Yeah. Well, and I found it funny you had Mooney on. Yeah, another one, another one. You hate Kyle Mooney, and you've said this very publicly off. Yeah, very publicly. Yeah. Well, I mean, obviously you're joking, but.
We do what you say that, it sounds like I'm not. I know, I know. Here's the thing, when I get together, Kyle off camera and we're together, we do the same routine. You know, we just do this routine of, I ask him stupid questions, I insult him, you know, and I put him in uncomfortable positions and
We, it's fucking play. It's just all play is recreation. I don't know how else, like I don't really know how to relate to most, I don't know how to relate to people that don't operate that way. You know, I'm sure you might have this feeling of like, if you're talking to somebody that isn't, I'm not talking, you don't have to be in comedy, but you have to be kind of funny. You have to just get it.
Or just be like, I don't want to be on all the time, obviously. That's obnoxious. But you want to be open to play and open to just pretending and doing bits and stuff. And Kyle's like that. And so when he comes on the show, we just immediately lock into that. Yeah, that's great. But you know how the world is now.
Yeah, they think it's real. People go, people are so quick to go. First of all, can you imagine asking a question in a comment section? Why? What is the, what value like? Why is he treating him like this? No one is going to give you the right answer. There is no right answer. That's the best part. It doesn't even exist. And don't, don't worry about it. Yeah, it's fun. Sit back and maybe the answer will come to you at some point.
but I feel bad, and I don't want to answer anything. You cannot. But you'd just be like, God, I feel like I'm embarrassed that you're asking that question. It's so weird, questions. I mean, I've gotten caught up at these times. Or ask a friend, like go out, don't write. Don't get a buddy. Say like, can I show you something? What do you think? But I don't think they do, I think that's a very insulated, I'm seeing it just at face value and I'm going to judge it immediately and then check out.
Yeah, yeah. I did a podcast with this girl, Babi Altaf, who's like, she became pretty big in the last couple of years. And deliberately, I was playing a character where I was just really mean, just cruel, just cruel. Oh, it's so fun to do. It was so fun. And people were like, what the fuck is this guy's problem? Do you not know if this was real and we didn't like each other, this wouldn't have come out.
What the fuck do you think is going on? Kaperland did this on our show last year. She's a queen of this too, but she's just like out of nowhere, like five minutes into the podcast. She's like, you know what? I don't like the energy here and I don't like the way you're talking to me. And I think I'm just gonna go. And I'm sorry. And it was very well performed. She's so good. And I performed it pretty well. But again, it's like,
What do you think we're doing here? Like we're playing or goofing around. But I think because we can, okay, I think it's a testament to how good you are. Yeah. That people don't know, like I don't even know you, but I feel the energy of who you are and when you can shift. Yeah. And I think if people don't really get that, they see you in one way and they think that might be permanently who you are and they see you in another way and they go,
I don't really like, I don't know if I like this. It's something I can hear my dad saying, you know, I didn't like when I saw that and I didn't like it. But I grew up with like going back to Letterman, like Letterman could be that way. God, I saw the funniest little clip on Instagram. He was talking to Johnny Cash. Yeah. And Johnny, it was in the 80s and Johnny Cash was saying how he
It was this one night where he had Joni Mitchell, and Bob Dylan, and Graham Nash, and a couple other people, Chris Kristofferson, and he was kind of taking his time with the story, and they were all, each playing Marrakesh Express in both sides now, and Bob played Lay Lady Lay, and those songs were all played for the first time, and Letterman goes,
Wow, geez, did you have snacks? And it was so fucking good. And it was just like so quick. And, you know, of course, Bob, I mean, of course, Dave wouldn't have said that if it was just Johnny, I mean, just Johnny Cash sitting around it as like, you know, maybe, maybe he would feel comfortable in there. Maybe, but I don't know. Yes, that's just how we, it's how we play. Those moments are so fun. He historically was so good at like the Crispin Glover,
Yeah, those were so fucking fun. That was a bit of a tangent with Johnny Cash, but just like the Charles Groden on that show or Albert Brooks, both of them. Charles Groden would come in. I don't know if you've watched some of those clips.
I've seen I've seen a few of them. Yeah. Well, there's there's a longer one. I always recommend is Charles Groden on Johnny Carson. And it's one of my favorite pieces of art, honestly, where he pushes Johnny Carson about whether or not Johnny likes doing this. And does if he cares, he asks the question, do you care about anything?
And it goes on for eight or nine minutes. Yeah. And it's super uncomfortable. And there's truth in it, but there's also them playing. And Johnny is in heaven. You could tell. He loved it. He loves it. And the audience was smart then. No offense. But they were laughing. They were laughing at the right places. They get it. Yeah. But if you're sitting at home, maybe not. But I think because Johnny was, in Letterman, it was just like him to me. And Johnny had that thing with guests where,
If he didn't really like them, it was almost so much more fun. Yeah. Because he was like, and Letterman was the same way, if he didn't really love them that much. God, Letterman had this thing where he had Mickey Rooney on in the 80s, and Mickey Rooney at the time had just gotten married to this young cabaret singer.
And he was trying to peddle his wife out and promote her album and that she was singing at this Italian restaurant. And it was very embarrassing. But Letterman was like a cat with catnip. He was in heaven because he was just playing with this idea of
little Mickey Rooney, old Mickey Rooney sitting there with his wife on his on his lap and trying to sell tickets to her Italian restaurant, Cabaret Show. And, you know, he's asking about how much the record it goes for in the store and, you know, just. Well, they sell it for. Yeah, exactly. I love that. I can hear that. I can hear him doing that condescending, like people are buying it though. Yeah.
which he always had like a little bit of a making question yourself. It was so good when he would ask a question like that. People are not, people are going though, yeah. It's such a fucking, it's just waiting for you to bury yourself like, no, no, no. Yeah, no, we will. Yeah, people are, it will probably sell out. Oh, there it is. Oh, look at that. I just, did I describe that perfectly or what? Oh my God. And she, and she looks so, and poor Mickey believes that this is,
You know, this is important. This is the big shot. And this is the next big step that we're going to take in our relationship and with your career. I think that I think we, well, to circle it back, I think you've brought it back in a way where office hours live is great. And so you're kind of doing this playful new world that take on that. That's like the, that's to me, that's the new version of that. That's real good.
It's so funny. Thank you. Please watch it. I'm off to do our live Christmas show tonight. Are we allowed to say, are you, you let people say Christmas on this show or is that going to be? I prefer you know, if you don't mind. Yeah, if you don't mind. You could just say, I know the war is raging right now. Yeah.
Yeah, you're doing a Christmas show tonight. Yeah. Is Robinson gonna be there to heckle you? I haven't asked. I always hate asking people to do things. What, he cares. You know what I should. At this stage in our life. Well, this is, this will have come out already. Yeah, this will be out. And I'm going, I'm touring, I should, I mean, cause we just set this up through, we didn't set this up in any kind of official way. No, it's very unofficial. Which is kind of what I like. Which, you can cut this up, but I did the, your guy,
the guy that plugged us together. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I did the other show he does. The Mattan. Oh, yeah. Was that insane? It was so crazy. Yeah. I'll just tell you real quick. Yeah. And maybe you don't use this. Yeah, cut this Joe. Cut this out, Joe. Yeah. Cut it. Cut it. I don't want to ruin anything for him, but he, um,
And I could tell right away, he was like a big fan of mine. And I was like, I know what this is. I know exactly what this is, but good for him, whatever. But I halfway through the thing, he pulls out a knife, like a big real knife. It was not a joke knife. It was a real knife. And it's public, but it happened a long time ago. I was stabbed in the back twice for real.
I'm not fucking around with a joke or a real life. It's not. It's not a joke. It's not a joke. That's a real weapon. It's not even a joke. No, it's not funny. And I played through it. I was confrontational about it. I got the knife off the set. It started to try to come back. If it comes back in, I'm going to walk.
You don't play around with real weapons. No. And you're like Eric Andre sketch. Yeah, you know, I don't want that. Anyways. Don't worry, but you're touring. I'm touring with my band and Kyle Mooney is opening up at Neil Hamburger. You must love Neil Hamburger. One of the kings. One of the kings. DJ Doug Pound. Do you do you do you do in the mix?
The Mick dude, I love that guy. But I've been playing music now. My band is fantastic. It's a night of comedy and music and... Tim Heidecker.com? ...slash live now. Tim Heidecker.com slash live. And with that extra page. You need it. You need it, to be honest. I was going to tell you, I can't open up another tab because I was like, just give me the page. Yeah, it's a hyperlink. It is. It has to be.
because you're a hypercoated. I appreciate it. Go to Tim Heidecker Live. Go see the shows. Please watch it. Go to Tim Heidecker Live. Go to TimHeidecker.com slash live. We'll put the description down below. I appreciate you coming by. It was really nice. This was very wonderful. I hope I see you again sooner than later. I obviously can't go now, but I do want to come to an office hours live. I'd love to have you. I'd love to have you. They're so rad. All right. We end the show the same way. Look into that camera right there.
One word or one phrase to end the episode used to be a word and then people were like, well, what if I want to impart a phrase of wisdom upon people? Uh, uh, cork. In here, we pour wisdom, wisdom, wisdom, wisdom, wisdom. Do that creature in the ginger beer. Sturdy.
Tanger. I like tangers.
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