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    The UX research reckoning is here | Judd Antin (Airbnb, Meta)

    enJanuary 04, 2024
    What is Judd Antin's view on user research?
    What does 'user-centered performance' mean in user research?
    Why is falsification important in user research?
    How can partnerships improve user research outcomes?
    What biases should product managers be aware of?

    Podcast Summary

    • Rethinking User Research: Moving from Validation to FalsificationUser research should be used to challenge assumptions and drive better decision-making, rather than simply confirming existing beliefs. Businesses need to prioritize learning from mistakes and align research with business goals.

      The field of user research is going through a reckoning. Judd Antin, a renowned expert in the field, believes that the discipline has gotten it wrong over the past decade. He argues that too often, product managers and designers rely on user research to validate their assumptions and check the box, rather than truly leveraging it to make better decisions. This phenomena, which Judd calls "user-centered performance," is a performance of customer obsession without the genuine desire to be wrong and learn from it. To adapt and thrive, user research needs to shift its focus to falsification rather than validation. It's time for the discipline to change, companies to reevaluate how they leverage user research, and researchers to think about business goals in addition to user needs.

    • Reevaluating User Research: Criticisms, Debates, and a Need for ChangeUser research needs a shift in focus towards strategic and business-oriented macro research, as well as technical usability micro research, in order to drive value and impact for businesses.

      The word "reckoning" may have caused unnecessary drama in the conversation about user research. Despite this, the response to the conversation was largely positive and resonated with many people. However, there were also criticisms, with some feeling that researchers were being blamed for doing their job incorrectly and not taking enough responsibility themselves. Surprisingly, there were also critics from the anti-capitalist crew who disagreed with the notion that researchers should be profit-focused. The main message is that user research has been heavily impacted by layoffs, indicating a potential flaw in the system. Research is not driving the value and impact it should because it focuses too much on the wrong type of research. Researchers need to shift their focus towards macro research (strategic and business-oriented) and micro research (technical usability) rather than spending too much time on middle range research that may be interesting but lacks impact for businesses.

    • Revolutionizing Research in Technology CompaniesResearch is no longer undervalued in technology companies; it is now seen as crucial. To maximize its impact, companies need to integrate research into their product development process consistently.

      Research in technology companies has often been mismanaged and undervalued, leading to ineffective results and a lack of impact. The idea of hiring researchers without understanding their role or how to leverage their skills has been a common practice. However, this approach is changing. Research is now seen as crucial, but it requires a new perspective. Middle range research, which focuses on specific questions or constituencies, may yield interesting insights but often lacks the necessary alignment with business goals and strategies. This can delay decision-making and create a reliance on researchers for every little detail. To address this, companies need to restructure their product development process to integrate research throughout, fostering consistent relationships and maximizing the impact of researchers' work.

    • Integrating Researchers: A Key to Effective Product DevelopmentResearchers need to be engaged and integrated from the beginning of the product process to maximize their impact and the effectiveness of research.

      In short, one big takeaway from the conversation is that the lack of integration and engagement of researchers in the product process is a major problem. When research is treated as a service function that is called in only at the end, it limits their impact and effectiveness. Many companies hired researchers with good intentions but didn't know how to integrate them properly. As a result, researchers lack input on the questions to ask and are unable to build the necessary relationships and drive insights. This leads to reactive and less impactful research, which then perpetuates the belief that researchers are not valuable. To break this cycle, constant engagement and integration of researchers from the beginning of the product process is crucial. The best researchers are multi-method, using a range of tools such as qualitative and quantitative research, survey design, applied statistics, and technical skills.

    • Balancing User Needs and Business Profitability: A Shift in Research MindsetResearchers must understand the business side of things by familiarizing themselves with company strategies and metrics to identify research opportunities that contribute to business goals and align with organizational objectives.

      Researchers need to be more business-oriented and consider the needs of the company alongside those of the user. While user-centeredness and empathy are valuable, there is an important overlap between user needs and business profitability that researchers must acknowledge. To achieve this, researchers should make an effort to understand the business side of things by reading quarterly reports, listening to shareholder calls, and familiarizing themselves with company strategies and metrics. By doing so, they can identify opportunities for research that directly contribute to business goals and address areas where competitors may be outperforming. This shift towards a more business-oriented mindset is crucial for researchers to have a greater impact and align their work with the overall objectives of the organization.

    • User-centered performance in product development: the illusion of customer obsession without informed decisions.Embrace a mindset of being wrong and actively seek research to expose blind spots and improve intuition for better product outcomes.

      User-centered performance is a common phenomenon in product development. It refers to the practice of symbolically showing customer obsession without actually focusing on learning and making informed decisions. This often occurs when PMs ask researchers to conduct quick user studies just to validate assumptions at the end of a product process, or when executives request focus groups to feel closer to customers. User-centered performance can also be driven by cognitive biases, ego, and a desire to validate rather than falsify assumptions. To combat this, it's important to embrace a mindset of wanting to be wrong and actively seeking research that exposes blind spots and improves intuition. Ultimately, integrating research effectively can lead to better outcomes and impactful product decisions.

    • Developing intuition while avoiding biases and leveraging diverse perspectives for effective decision-making.Great leaders recognize the limitations of intuition, engage in analytical thinking, and utilize diverse perspectives to make informed decisions that improve overall decision quality.

      While intuition and gut instincts are valuable tools, they can be limited and biased. Great leaders develop intuition through pattern matching and experience, but they must also be aware of the cognitive biases and thorny factors that can lead them astray. To check your gut, it's important to engage System 2 thinking, which involves slow and methodical analytic thinking. Additionally, leveraging the wisdom of the crowd can be a powerful strategy. Bringing diverse perspectives and evidence-based opinions into decision-making discussions can help mitigate biases and improve the overall quality of decisions. Researchers excel in leading these discussions and can have a huge impact when they develop strong, trusting relationships and become active participants in the decision-making process. Similarly, product managers should aim to be valued team members that others want on their team.

    • The importance of collaboration between product managers and user researchers in product development.Effective collaboration between researchers and product managers can lead to faster and more successful product development by ensuring the right decisions are made from the start and saving time and effort in the long run.

      Having a great product manager can make everyone's life easier. The role of a product manager is like the grease that makes everything run smoothly. However, the relationship between product managers and user researchers can be challenging. Many researchers feel excluded from the PMs' process, which leads to misunderstandings. One common trope is that research slows down the product development process, but this is not true. Good research actually speeds up the process by ensuring that the right decisions are made from the start, saving time and effort in the long run. Micro-level research, which can be done quickly, can provide valuable insights that drive significant business value. For example, in just 48 hours, research at Airbnb helped optimize a button's text, resulting in millions of dollars in increased revenue. So, the key takeaway is that effective collaboration between researchers and product managers can lead to faster and more successful product development.

    • Ahrefs Webmaster Tools: Improving Website Rankings and Optimizing for GoogleUtilizing Ahrefs Webmaster Tools can enhance website visibility by providing keyword insights, backlink analysis, and automated site audits, while also emphasizing the importance of combining micro research and middle range research for effective product development.

      Ahrefs Webmaster Tools is a valuable tool for improving website rankings and optimizing for Google. It provides insights on keywords, backlinks, and performs automatic site audits to identify issues that may hinder website performance. By setting up a free account and connecting your website, you can receive detailed explanations and advice on how to address these issues. Additionally, the conversation between Lenny and Judd Antin highlights the importance of both micro research (such as usability research) and middle range research in product development. Usability improvements can lead to improved business metrics, and researchers play a vital role in turning user feedback into valuable insights. AB testing is valuable for causal claims, but user research provides valuable data on how and why things happen. So, both methods should be used in combination for optimal results.

    • The Importance of Collaboration, Questioning Assumptions, and User Research in Product DevelopmentCollaborating with data scientists and insights professionals, questioning widely quoted statements, avoiding post-hoc bias, and adopting a humble and open-minded approach to user research can greatly improve product development.

      A strong partnership between data scientists and research and insights professionals is crucial for building better products. By involving these stakeholders from the beginning, companies can avoid making costly mistakes and gain valuable insights into the hows and whys behind their products' success. Additionally, it is important to question widely quoted statements and examine the truth behind them. In the case of the famous Henry Ford quote, it turns out to be apocryphal, highlighting the significance of relying on thorough research rather than anecdotal evidence. Furthermore, researchers caution against post-hoc bias, where individuals construct narratives that conveniently fit their desired outcomes. The book "Everything is Obvious If You Already Know the Answer" by Duncan Watts sheds light on this bias and emphasizes the need to challenge intuitive assumptions in decision making. Ultimately, a humble and open-minded approach to user research can lead to a stronger mental model of the user and, consequently, better product development.

    • Moving beyond insights: The process of effective researchEffective research involves understanding the "what," the "so what," and the "then what," while striking a balance between conclusions and collaboration. Developing diverse skills and fostering an integrated approach are crucial for success.

      Effective research goes beyond simply uncovering insights. It involves a process of understanding the "what," the "so what," and the "then what." However, it's important to strike a balance and avoid going too far in one direction. Researchers should not jump to conclusions or dictate what should be built based solely on their findings. Instead, they should engage in communication and collaboration with the team to consider all aspects of the situation. The goal is to develop a framework based on actual evidence and then work together to experiment and create a successful product. Additionally, researchers should strive to develop diverse research skills, deepen their business knowledge, build strong relationships with team members, and focus on the most important tasks. On the other hand, companies should foster an integrated approach, breaking down silos between different insights disciplines and valuing contributions from various sources of data and expertise.

    • Integrating research disciplines and breaking down silos for an integrated insights function.Companies should prioritize integrating different research disciplines, establishing a unified process, and collaborating between teams to leverage the full potential of user research and create successful products.

      Companies should prioritize integrating different research disciplines and breaking down silos to create an integrated insights function. This means combining UX research, market analysis, competitor research, and utilizing data science and customer service feedback. By fueling one insights machine, companies can extract maximum value from research and avoid the problem of it coming too late or not knowing the right questions to ask. Additionally, companies need to establish a unified, lean process where researchers are involved from the beginning to the end of product development. This collaboration between researchers, product managers, design teams, and engineering teams is crucial for leveraging the full potential of user research and creating successful products.

    • Challenging Assumptions and Gaining Valuable InsightsListening to individual experiences, questioning assumptions, and fostering strong relationships are essential in uncovering valuable information and driving the need for resources in research projects.

      Assumptions can be shattered and new insights can be gained from just one example or anecdote. Statistical significance is not always necessary to uncover valuable information. For example, in a Facebook app study, a participant's behavior of hiding stories because she had already seen them challenged the common assumption about the meaning of "hides" as a signal. This revelation led to a better solution and a more nuanced understanding. Similarly, in another study, hosts' reluctance to connect Facebook with their accounts highlighted widespread concerns about data privacy. These stories emphasize the importance of listening to individual experiences and questioning assumptions. When it comes to determining the number of researchers needed in a team, the guiding principle should be fostering strong relationships and ensuring researchers have the capacity to fully engage in meaningful projects, even if it means creating some pain or scarcity to demonstrate the value of research and drive the need for more resources.

    • The Importance of Researchers in Business GrowthResearchers play a crucial role in answering complex questions, driving impactful decisions, and empowering a company's growth by providing valuable insights and challenging the status quo.

      Companies, whether in the early stages or late stages, often overlook the value of having a researcher on their team. The lack of researchers on the list of first 10 employees in various B2B companies is concerning. A good researcher can bring incredible value to a company by answering questions that are impossible to answer through other means. They can help a company go faster and drive impactful decisions. As a company grows, it is important to ensure that researchers have strong partners in key areas of the business. While there may be trade-offs in hiring researchers over other roles, having a Swiss army knife of research tools can greatly benefit a company's decision-making process. Moreover, researchers can empower themselves by focusing on the right kind of research that contributes to business value, challenging the broken system, and driving the evolution of research.

    • The importance of effective communication in research and business.Effective communication skills are essential for researchers and companies to convey their findings to diverse audiences and to question the validity of commonly used metrics like NPS.

      Researchers and companies need to prioritize effective communication and develop the necessary skills to do so. It's not enough to just conduct rigorous research; researchers also need to be excellent communicators who can effectively convey their findings to different audiences. Companies should value researchers who can teach by example and communicate research findings in a way that is appropriate for the specific audience. Additionally, it's important to question the validity and usefulness of commonly used metrics like NPS. The consensus in the survey science community is that NPS is flawed and there are better alternatives, such as customer satisfaction metrics. Comparing NPS across industries is problematic due to variations in how it's asked and the inconsistent nature of the metric. Ultimately, researchers and companies can contribute to a brighter future by developing and honing their communication skills while building more inclusive models.

    • The Importance of Considering User Perspectives in Product ManagementProduct managers should be mindful of their biases and not rely solely on their own experiences when prioritizing and addressing issues in their products. User perspectives and needs should be considered for effective evaluation and improvement.

      Product managers should dog food their own products and conduct walkthroughs to identify potential issues. However, it is important for them to recognize that they are not the typical user and may have biases that affect their perception of what is good or bad in the product. Some problems may require a pulse or context of use that PMs may not have solely based on their own usage. Therefore, while dog fooding is valuable, PMs should be cautious about relying solely on their own intuition or expertise when prioritizing and addressing issues. It is important to consider the perspectives and needs of various users when evaluating and improving the product.

    • Embracing Stoicism: Focusing on What We Can ControlLetting go of worries about things outside our control and prioritizing what we can influence promotes serenity and personal growth.

      Focusing on the things we can control and ignoring the rest is a valuable lesson from stoicism. Judd Antin emphasizes the importance of this motto, which helps reduce stress and worry caused by things outside our control. He points out that much of the pain and stress in life comes from worrying about things we cannot influence. By letting go of those things and focusing on the areas where we have control, we can experience greater serenity and peace of mind. This principle aligns with the concept of circles of control, influence, and no control discussed in the book "7 Habits of Highly Effective People." Therefore, embracing this mindset can bring about positive transformation in our lives.

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    Where to find Deb Liu:

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    • LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/deborahliu

    • Substack: https://debliu.substack.com/

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    In this episode, we cover:

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    • How to automate user research

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    Where to find Kevin Yien:

    • X: https://x.com/kevinyien

    • LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/kevinyien/

    • Website: https://kevinyien.com/

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    • X: https://twitter.com/lennysan

    • LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/lennyrachitsky/

    In this episode, we cover:

    (00:00) Kevin’s background 

    (02:00) The story behind Kevin’s profile picture

    (08:41) The role of a product manager

    (10:48) Getting started in product management

    (12:47) The importance of writing skills

    (15:06) Becoming a better writer

    (19:10) The PM’s role with engineering and design

    (28:41) Drawing the perimeter for your team

    (31:37) Feedback tips

    (35:13) Decision logs and product sense

    (45:36) Unorthodox hiring strategies

    (47:01) The unsell email strategy

    (54:01) Automating user research

    (01:02:27) AI in everyday life

    (01:06:05) Lessons from failure

    (01:14:34) Lightning round

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    • The three different systems of the brain

    • How knowing this can help you become more influential

    • How understanding different brain states will help you increase productivity and creativity

    • How to improve your vision and strategy skills

    • How to design a work environment that fosters innovation

    • How to build better relationships at work

    • Much more

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    Where to find Evan LaPointe:

    • X: https://x.com/evanlapointe

    • LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/evanlapointe/

    • Website: https://www.core-sciences.com/

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    • X: https://twitter.com/lennysan

    • LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/lennyrachitsky/

    In this episode, we cover:

    (00:00) Evan’s background

    (02:37) Understanding the brain’s complex systems

    (07:17) The three core brain systems: safety, reward, and purpose

    (11:03) Applying brain science to team dynamics

    (14:27) The role of personality in team performance

    (17:27) Creating effective work environments

    (23:16) The science of meetings and decision-making

    (29:35) Enhancing strategy and vision

    (54:46) Understanding personality traits in strategy and vision

    (58:58) Tactical tips for increasing openness

    (01:05:46) Building influence and effective relationships

    (01:21:17) The importance of trust and appeal in relationships

    (01:36:47) Creating a positive organizational habitat

    (01:50:35) Enhancing focus and productivity

    (02:00:58) Practical tips for deep work and gamma time

    (02:07:11) Lightning round

    Referenced:

    • The Most Complicated Object in the Universe: https://today.uconn.edu/2018/03/complicated-object-universe/#

    • The Myers-Briggs personality test: https://www.themyersbriggs.com/en-US/Products-and-Services/Myers-Briggs

    • The Big Five personality test: https://www.thepersonalitylab.org/

    • The Enneagram personality test: https://enneagramtest.com/

    • An inside look at how Figma builds product | Yuhki Yamashita (CPO of Figma): https://www.lennysnewsletter.com/p/an-inside-look-at-how-figma-builds

    • Vision, conviction, and hype: How to build 0 to 1 inside a company | Mihika Kapoor (Product at Figma): https://www.lennysnewsletter.com/p/vision-conviction-hype-mihika-kapoor

    • Dylan Field live at Config: Intuition, simplicity, and the future of design: https://www.lennysnewsletter.com/p/dylan-field-live-at-config

    • An inside look at Figma’s unique GTM motion | Claire Butler (first GTM hire): https://www.lennysnewsletter.com/p/an-inside-look-at-figmas-unique-bottom

    • Inside Canva: Coaches not managers, giving away your Legos, and running profitably | Cameron Adams (co-founder and CPO): https://www.lennysnewsletter.com/p/inside-canva-with-cameron-adams

    • The Science-Business Mismatch That Puts Your Change at Risk: https://changemanagementreview.com/the-science-business-mismatch-that-puts-your-change-at-risk/

    • Daniel Pink on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/danielpink/

    • Trello: https://trello.com/

    • Cron: https://cronhq.notion.site/

    • The Double Diamond framework for design thinking: https://www.fluxspace.io/resources/the-4-ds-double-diamond-design-thinking-model

    • CORE Sciences - Tips on Priming Great Meetings PDF: https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fi/gm21cj0vi0bjosyu8kd69/CORE-Sciences-Tips-on-Priming-Great-Meetings.pdf?rlkey=6fznhv7bbsxm8nj8m4luej17t&st=2eduirad&dl=0

    • How to grow a subscription business | Yuriy Timen (Grammarly, Canva, Airtable): https://www.lennysnewsletter.com/p/transform-your-subscription-growth

    • Brené Brown’s website: https://brenebrown.com/

    • The CORE personality test: https://www.core-sciences.com/new-core-identity

    • Burning Man: https://burningman.org/

    • Stripe: https://stripe.com/

    • Jony Ive: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jony_Ive

    • Albert Einstein quote: https://www.goodreads.com/quotes/7133605-make-things-as-simple-as-possible-but-no-simpler

    • Elden Ring: https://en.bandainamcoent.eu/elden-ring/elden-ring

    • Abilene paradox: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abilene_paradox

    The Challenger Sale: Taking Control of the Customer Conversation: https://www.amazon.com/Challenger-Sale-Control-Customer-Conversation/dp/1591844355

    • The surprising truth about what closes deals: Insights from 2.5m sales conversations | Matt Dixon (author of The Challenger Sale and The JOLT Effect): https://www.lennysnewsletter.com/p/close-more-deals-matt-dixon

    • Siqi Chan on X: https://x.com/blader

    • Runway: https://runway.com/

    • Shreyas Doshi on pre-mortems, the LNO framework, the three levels of product work, why most execution problems are strategy problems, and ROI vs. opportunity cost thinking: https://www.lennysnewsletter.com/p/episode-3-shreyas-doshi

    • Wolfgang Puck’s website: https://wolfgangpuck.com/

    • Steven Spielberg on X: https://x.com/sspielberg93

    • John Williams’s website: https://www.johnwilliams.org/

    • The paths to power: How to grow your influence and advance your career | Jeffrey Pfeffer (author of 7 Rules of Power, professor at Stanford GSB): https://www.lennysnewsletter.com/p/the-paths-to-power-jeffrey-pfeffer

    • Warby Parker: https://www.warbyparker.com/

    • Simon Sinek’s website: https://simonsinek.com/

    • What is the function of the various brainwaves?: https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/what-is-the-function-of-t-1997-12-22/

    • CORE Sciences - Your Brain's 9 Modes PDF: https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fi/figg8upeaawir1hnxv0ew/CORE-Sciences-Your-Brain-s-9-Modes.pdf?rlkey=u3zaonxvycvupurq6pwysckfq&st=os06xjnr&dl=0

    Never Split the Difference: Negotiating As If Your Life Depended On It: Unlock Your Persuasion Potential in Professional and Personal Life: https://www.amazon.com/Never-Split-Difference-Negotiating-Depended/dp/0062407805

    The Person and the Situation: Perspectives of Social Psychology: https://www.amazon.com/Person-Situation-Perspectives-Social-Psychology/dp/1905177445

    Cambridge Fundamentals of Neuroscience in Psychology: https://www.amazon.com/Cambridge-Fundamentals-Neuroscience-Psychology/dp/B08QYNDNYX

    • Robert Greene’s books on Amazon: https://www.amazon.com/stores/Robert-Greene/author/B001IGV3IS

    Misbehaving: The Making of Behavioral Economics: https://www.amazon.com/Misbehaving-Behavioral-Economics-Richard-Thaler/dp/039335279X

    • Beehiiv: https://www.beehiiv.com/

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    How embracing your emotions will accelerate your career | Joe Hudson (executive coach, Art of Accomplishment)

    How embracing your emotions will accelerate your career | Joe Hudson (executive coach, Art of Accomplishment)

    Joe Hudson is one of the most sought-after executive coaches in Silicon Valley. He is the founder of Art of Accomplishment, a transformational coaching program that has helped tens of thousands of people, including many tech executives and founders from companies like Apple, OpenAI, and Google. His unique method of transformation comes from over 25 years of exploring neurological, psychological, and spiritual traditions, tested against real-world challenges. In our conversation, Joe shares:

    • Why the critical voice in your head is always wrong, and how to change your relationship with that voice

    • Why authenticity trumps self-improvement

    • The importance of embracing all of your emotions

    • How to create more enjoyable and effective meetings

    • The power of gratitude in transforming your life

    • Practical experiments for personal growth

    • Much more

    Apply for Joe’s Connection Course:

    Thousands of students have taken Joe’s most popular experience, the Connection Course. Unlike most online courses, there is no reading, lectures, or written homework. It is a three-week experiential deep dive where you will apply your learnings to real-life problems—how to make your team more productive, communicate more effectively, and resolve conflicts with ease. Apply here and use the code LENNY for $300 off your enrollment: view.life/lenny.

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    Find the transcript and references at: https://www.lennysnewsletter.com/p/embracing-your-emotions-joe-hudson

    Where to find Joe Hudson:

    • X: https://x.com/FU_joehudson

    • LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/joe-hudson/

    • Website: https://www.artofaccomplishment.com/

    • Podcast: https://www.artofaccomplishment.com/podcast

    • Linktree: https://linktr.ee/theartofaccomplishment

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    • Newsletter: https://www.lennysnewsletter.com

    • X: https://twitter.com/lennysan

    • LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/lennyrachitsky/

    In this episode, we cover:

    (00:00) Joe’s background

    (02:31) The critical voice in your head

    (06:39) Changing your relationship with the critical voice

    (13:19) Understanding and embracing emotions

    (19:52) The importance of emotional fluidity

    (24:40) Questioning assumptions and self-perception

    (30:25) The consequences of avoiding emotions

    (36:57) Experimenting with self-improvement

    (39:42) Understanding efficiency and enjoyment

    (43:17) The power of enjoyment in daily tasks

    (45:03) Innate enjoyment vs. learned enjoyment

    (46:31) Authenticity vs. self-improvement

    (50:01) Embracing emotional experiences

    (55:49) How understanding your emotions helps you make better decisions

    (01:02:53) Creating effective teams and meetings

    (01:10:40) Gratitude practice for personal growth

    (01:15:36) Conclusion and final thoughts

    Referenced:

    Descartes’ Error: Emotion, Reason, and the Human Brain: https://www.amazon.com/Descartes-Error-Emotion-Reason-Human/dp/014303622X/

    • Joe’s quote about joy: https://x.com/FU_joehudson/status/1756837774743790030

    • “Emotional Inquiry”: https://www.artofaccomplishment.com/podcast/emotional-inquiry

    Inside Out 2: https://movies.disney.com/inside-out-2

    • “Question the Assumption”: https://www.artofaccomplishment.com/podcast/question-the-assumption

    • Bodega Bay: https://www.bodegabay.com/

    • Elon Musk reveals the interview question he asks every candidate to instantly spot a liar: https://www.good.is/elon-musk-reveals-the-one-job-interview-question-he-asks-every-candidate-to-instantly-spot-a-liar

    • Great Decisions course: https://www.artofaccomplishment.com/course/great-decisions-course

    • HBR Analytic Services: https://hbr.org/hbr-analytic-services

    • Connection Course: https://www.artofaccomplishment.com/course/the-connection-course

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    Lessons from scaling Uber and Opendoor | Brian Tolkin (Head of Product at Opendoor, ex-Uber)

    Lessons from scaling Uber and Opendoor | Brian Tolkin (Head of Product at Opendoor, ex-Uber)

    Brian Tolkin is the Head of Product at Opendoor. Previously, he was one of the early employees at Uber, where he was instrumental in launching and growing UberPool, UberHop, and UberExpress and started one of the first product operations teams in tech. In our conversation, we dive into:

    • How to enable product and ops to work well together

    • How to run great product reviews

    • How to make good decisions with limited data

    • How he uses the jobs-to-be-done framework at Opendoor

    • How to stay calm under pressure as a leader

    • Wild stories from his time at Uber

    • Challenges faced at Opendoor during the pandemic

    • Much more

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    Where to find Brian Tolkin:

    • X: https://x.com/briantolkin

    • LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/briantolkin/

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    • Newsletter: https://www.lennysnewsletter.com

    • X: https://twitter.com/lennysan

    • LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/lennyrachitsky/

    In this episode, we cover:

    (00:00) Brian’s background

    (02:14) Career beginnings at Uber

    (02:49) Transitioning from product operations to product management

    (06:47) Product and operations synergy

    (10:00) Surge pricing at Uber

    (12:18) Scaling challenges, and stories

    (15:47) Opendoor and Covid adaptations

    (25:38) Product reviews and Jobs to Be Done

    (40:30) The challenges of A/B testing

    (42:23) Increasing conviction in solutions

    (44:33) Leveraging intuition in product decisions

    (47:07) Partnering with Zillow

    (52:55) Staying calm under pressure

    (56:25) Finding the “kernel of truth” in product management

    (01:00:21) Failure corner: Early days of Uber Pool

    (01:06:11) Lightning round and final thoughts

    Referenced:

    • Twitter’s former Head of Product opens up: being fired, meeting Elon, changing stagnant culture, building consumer product, more | Kayvon Beykpour: https://www.lennysnewsletter.com/p/twitters-former-head-of-product-kayvon-beykpour

    • Opendoor: https://sell.opendoor.com/

    • How to sell your ideas and rise within your company | Casey Winters, Eventbrite: https://www.lennysnewsletter.com/p/how-to-sell-your-ideas-and-rise-within

    • Thinking beyond frameworks | Casey Winters (Pinterest, Eventbrite, Airbnb, Tinder, Canva, Reddit, Grubhub): https://www.lennysnewsletter.com/p/thinking-beyond-frameworks-casey

    • Zigging vs. zagging: How HubSpot built a $30B company | Dharmesh Shah (co-founder/CTO): https://www.lennysnewsletter.com/p/lessons-from-30-years-of-building

    • FlashTags: A Simple Hack for Conveying Context Without Confusion: https://www.onstartups.com/flashtags-a-simple-hack-for-conveying-context-without-confusion

    • Jobs to Be Done Theory: https://www.christenseninstitute.org/theory/jobs-to-be-done

    • The ultimate guide to JTBD | Bob Moesta (co-creator of the framework): https://www.lennyspodcast.com/the-ultimate-guide-to-jtbd-bob-moesta-co-creator-of-the-framework/

    • Zillow: https://www.zillow.com/

    • Zillow, Opendoor announce multi-year partnership: https://investor.opendoor.com/news-releases/news-release-details/zillow-opendoor-announce-multi-year-partnership

    • Building product at Stripe: craft, metrics, and customer obsession | Jeff Weinstein (Product lead): https://www.lennysnewsletter.com/p/building-product-at-stripe-jeff-weinstein

    • Stripe Atlas: https://stripe.com/atlas

    Founders podcast: https://www.founderspodcast.com/

    • Uber will deliver ice cream to you today: https://www.dispatch.com/story/lifestyle/food/2016/07/13/uber-will-deliver-ice-cream/24201840007/

    • UberKittens: https://www.uber.com/newsroom/uberkittens/

    • UberPuppies: https://www.uber.com/blog/uberpuppies-want-to-play/

    Shoe Dog: A Memoir by the Creator of Nike: https://www.amazon.com/Shoe-Dog-Memoir-Creator-NIKE/dp/1471146723

    The Black Swan: The Impact of the Highly Improbable: https://www.amazon.com/Black-Swan-Impact-Improbable-Incerto/dp/1400063515

    The Design of Everyday Things: https://www.amazon.com/dp/0465050654

    Shantaram: https://www.amazon.com/Shantaram-SHANTARAM-Paperback-GregoryDavidRoberts/dp/B00QPVJESC

    Full Swing on Netflix: https://www.netflix.com/title/81483353

    Formula 1: Drive to Survive on Netflix: https://www.netflix.com/title/80204890

    Break Point on Netflix: https://www.netflix.com/title/81569920

    Air on Prime Video: https://www.amazon.com/AIR-Matt-Damon/dp/B0B8Q3JMCG

    • Fi smart dog collar: https://tryfi.com/

    • Particle: https://particlenews.ai/

    • Sara Beykpour on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/sarabeykpour/

    • A new-parent gift guide for product managers: https://www.lennysnewsletter.com/p/a-new-parent-gift-guide-for-product

    • Jeff Holden on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/jeffholden/

    • Travis Kalanick on X: https://x.com/travisk

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    Referenced:

    Beauty: https://www.amazon.com/Sagmeister-Walsh-Beauty-Stefan/dp/0714877271

    • Terry (Olivia Colman) and Richie peel mushrooms—scene from The Bear: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f7D8THR_osU

    • Building a culture of excellence | David Singleton (CTO of Stripe): https://www.lennyspodcast.com/building-a-culture-of-excellence-david-singleton-cto-of-stripe/

    • Figma: https://www.figma.com/

    The Creative Act: A Way of Being: https://www.amazon.com/Creative-Act-Way-Being/dp/0593652886

    • Quote by Robert Henri: https://www.goodreads.com/quotes/43397-the-object-isn-t-to-make-art-it-s-to-be-in

    • Brian Chesky’s 11-star experience: https://www.product-frameworks.com/11-Star-Experience.html

    How to Win Friends and Influence People: https://www.amazon.com/How-Win-Friends-Influence-People/dp/0671027034

    The Wright Brothers: https://www.amazon.com/Wright-Brothers-David-McCullough/dp/1476728755/

    The Boy, the Mole, the Fox and the Horse: https://www.amazon.com/Boy-Mole-Fox-Horse/dp/0062976583/

    Oppenheimer: https://www.oppenheimermovie.com/

    Shrinking on AppleTV+: https://tv.apple.com/us/show/shrinking/umc.cmc.apzybj6eqf6pzccd97kev7bs

    • Toniebox: https://www.amazon.com/Toniebox-Starter-Lightning-McQueen-Playtime/dp/B09V7NJCD8

    • Stripe Press: https://press.stripe.com/

    Poor Charlie’s Almanack: The Essential Wit and Wisdom of Charles T. Munger: https://press.stripe.com/poor-charlies-almanack

    • Stripe’s job board: https://stripe.com/jobs/search

    Books on design craft:

    Dieter Rams: Ten Principles for Good Design: https://www.amazon.com/Dieter-Rams-Principles-Good-Design/dp/3791387324

    The Vignelli Canon: https://www.amazon.com/Vignelli-Canon-Massimo/dp/3037782250

    Forget All the Rules About Graphic Design: Including the Ones in This Book, by Bob Gill: https://www.amazon.com/Forget-Rules-About-Graphic-Design/dp/0823018644

    Emotional Design: Why We Love (or Hate) Everyday Things: https://www.amazon.com/Emotional-Design-Love-Everyday-Things/dp/0465051367

    The Design of Everyday Things: Revised and Expanded Edition: https://www.amazon.com/Design-of-Everyday-Things-audiobook/dp/B07L5Y9HND

    Build: An Unorthodox Guide to Making Things Worth Making: https://www.amazon.com/dp/0063046067

    In Praise of Shadows: https://www.amazon.com/Praise-Shadows-Junichiro-Tanizaki/dp/0918172020

    Interaction of Color: https://www.amazon.com/Interaction-Color-Anniversary-Josef-Albers/dp/0300179359

    Content Design: https://contentdesign.london/shop/content-design-by-sarah-winters-paperback

    Graphic Design Manual Principles and Practice: https://www.niggli.ch/en/produkt/graphic-design-manual/

    Collaborative Product Design: https://www.oreilly.com/library/view/collaborative-product-design/9781491975022/

    Principles of Form and Design: https://www.amazon.com/Principles-Form-Design-Wucius-Wong/dp/0471285528/ref=asc_df_0471285528

    The Timeless Way of Building: https://www.patternlanguage.com/bookstore/timeless-way-of-building.html

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