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    The UK bans some arms sales to Israel, but what difference will it make?

    enSeptember 03, 2024
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    • UK arms sales ban to IsraelThe UK has imposed a partial ban on arms sales to Israel due to the risk of violation of international humanitarian law, marking the first major challenge for Labour leader Keir Starmer amidst pressure from his party and high-profile resignations.

      The UK has announced a partial ban on arms sales to Israel following a review, which found a clear risk that these arms might be used to commit or facilitate a serious violation of international humanitarian law. This decision was made with regret by Foreign Secretary David Lamy during the first day back in Parliament, in a solemn moment that was watched closely by governments around the world. The timing of this announcement was likely influenced by the ongoing conflict in the Middle East and the upcoming Labour Party conference, where this issue could have caused trouble. This decision marks the first major rebellion for Labour leader Keir Starmer, who faced pressure from his own party over the stance on a ceasefire in Gaza and the support of Muslim voters. The resignations of high-profile Labour figures, such as Rebecca Long-Bailey and Jess Phillips, added to this pressure.

    • Muslim community influence, UK electionThe UK election saw the Muslim community's influence in Leicester South, leading to an independent candidate's victory due to perceived abandonment of Gaza. Tensions within Whitehall over UK arms sales to Israel have escalated, with a junior diplomat's resignation and accusations of potential complicity in war crimes.

      The recent UK election saw a significant influence of the Muslim community's voices in Leicester South, where an independent candidate's victory was attributed to strong support against Labour due to perceived abandonment of the people of Gaza. In Whitehall, the Attorney General, Richard Hermer, who has a personal connection to Israel and a legal background, has become a vocal figure in British policy towards Israel. He has visited Israel and is now involved in the legal process regarding arms sales, stating that only certain weapons can be banned if international humanitarian law has been breached. Tensions have arisen within Whitehall, with a junior diplomat, Mark Smith, resigning publicly and accusing the foreign office of potential complicity in war crimes due to continued arms sales to Israel. However, the issue is complex, and what the UK sells to Israel adds to the difficulty. The resignation and grumblings within the civil service are indicative of deeper unease and potential unrest.

    • UK Israel arms tradeThe UK's arms trade with Israel is insignificant, with the UK buying more from Israel than selling. Majority of Israeli defense spending comes from domestic industry, US and Germany. UK's role is in manufacturing parts for F-35 jets, and halting production could lead to job losses and defense consequences.

      The value of arms the UK sells to Israel annually is insignificant, with the UK buying more arms from Israel than selling. The majority of Israeli defense spending comes from its domestic industry, the US, and Germany. The UK's contributions to Israeli defense mainly involve the F-35 fighter jet, with British companies manufacturing up to 15% of each aircraft. Halting the production of parts for the F-35 could lead to job losses and potential consequences for the UK's defense. The UK government has a history of stopping arms sales to Israel during specific conflicts, such as the Lebanese war and the conflict in Gaza. These decisions were made when it was believed that the exports were being used in unjustifiable ways.

    • Humanitarian criteria for arms salesThe UK's decision to supply weapons to a country based on humanitarian criteria involves political considerations and the potential risk of weapons being used to break international law. In the case of Israeli-Palestinian conflict in 2014, the UK chose to maintain arms sales despite concerns due to political support and opposition to potential investigations.

      The decision to supply weapons to a country based on humanitarian criteria involves broad and politically charged considerations. The UK's criteria include the risk of weapons being used to break international law and the potential to prolong conflicts. In 2014, during the Israeli-Palestinian conflict, there was growing public pressure to suspend arms sales due to potential war crimes. The Conservative government at the time chose to stay with the status quo, despite concerns about proportionality and potential breaches of humanitarian law. The UK's stance was influenced by its support for Israel and its opposition to the International Criminal Court's potential investigation into Israeli leaders for war crimes. This case illustrates the complex and politically charged nature of humanitarian criteria in determining arms sales.

    • UK government's stance on IsraelThe UK government has shifted its stance on Israel, allowing ICC proceedings and UNRWA funding, while partially banning arms sales due to potential breaches of international law

      The UK government's stance towards Israel has shifted since the election, with the current administration no longer blocking ICC arrest warrant proceedings against Israeli officials and allowing the resumption of funding to UNRWA. A notable action taken by the government is a partial ban on arms sales to Israel due to concerns about potential use in civilian attacks. However, it's important to note that this ban does not imply a finding of guilt by the UK government, but rather a proactive step to prevent potential breaches of international humanitarian law. This shift in policy reflects the complexities of the situation and the challenges of determining weapon usage in the context of ongoing conflict.

    • UK arms embargo on IsraelThe UK imposed a partial arms embargo on Israel, targeting around 30 export licenses, but not for F-35 jets, facing criticism for not suspending all sales and uncertain impact on Gaza conflict

      The UK has imposed a partial arms embargo on Israel, targeting around 30 export licenses for items that could be used in the current conflict in Gaza. This decision does not cover tools or components for F-35 jets due to their global usage and the difficulty of distinguishing their end-users. The UK government has faced criticism from various quarters, including Labour MPs who feel the UK should go further and suspend all arms sales to Israel indefinitely, and concerns about Israel being held to a higher standard than other countries like Saudi Arabia. Reactions have been mixed, with some community and faith leaders expressing concerns about the signal this sends, while others accuse Labour of abandoning support for Israel. Ultimately, the impact of this partial ban on the conflict in Gaza is questionable given the limited number of export licenses affected and the UK's relatively small role as an arms exporter to Israel.

    • UK exporting military equipment to IsraelThe UK's decision to allow exports of military equipment to Israel, despite criticism and rising death toll in Gaza, could set a precedent for other countries and potentially escalate tensions in the region.

      The UK's decision to allow exports of military equipment to Israel, despite the ongoing conflict in Gaza, is a small but symbolically significant move that could put pressure on other countries to follow suit. The death toll in Gaza has been rising, and the UK's stance has been met with criticism from those who support Palestinian rights. The US, under Democratic nominee Kamala Harris, has taken a more vocal stance in support of Israel. Domestically, the issue could flare up at the Labour conference or in opposition motions, particularly from the Scottish National Party. While the impact on Israel's ability to defend itself may be small, the symbolic and bigger structural repercussions are much greater. The UK's decision could set a precedent for other countries and potentially escalate tensions in the region.

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