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    The Psychology of Money | Morgan Housel

    enJanuary 09, 2023
    What influences our perspective on money management?
    How do greed and fear affect financial decisions?
    What distinguishes being rich from being wealthy?
    Why is financial success not tied to intelligence?
    What role does emotional experience play in finance?

    Podcast Summary

    • Managing Money for Happiness and SuccessSuccess with finances is more about behavior than intelligence. Control greed and fear, save for savings sake, live within your means, and avoid comparing yourself to others. Understand the difference between being rich and being wealthy, and manage your finances with intention.

      Managing our relationship with money is crucial for our happiness. Success with finances has little to do with intelligence and more to do with behavior. We need to have control over greed and fear, save for savings sake, and leave room for error in our financial planning. Comparing ourselves to others, especially on social media, makes managing money even harder. Understanding the difference between being rich and being wealthy and having enough is crucial. Our upbringing and experiences impact our perspective on money. Finance is unique in that success is not heavily tied to intelligence or education. Money is a rich and complicated topic that is easy to overlook, but it is important to manage it insanely.

    • Consistent Index Fund Investments - The Key to Successful InvestingConsistently investing in low-cost index funds without checking accounts frequently can lead to success in investing, even outperforming Wall Street professionals. Letting investments ride and trusting experts while controlling fear and greed is crucial.

      Consistent low-cost index fund investments for several decades can bring one to the top 5% of investors, beating even the smartest, most educated Wall Street professionals. Some of the wealthiest and successful investors have no financial background, but they let their investments run, and they are not even thinking about it. The tendency in finance is to fiddle with the knobs, but that ends up backfiring on even the most educated professionals. Those who have total control over their sense of greed and fear are the ones who invest consistently without checking their accounts or freaking out during market crashes. Letting it ride is the key to successful investing, but it requires a lot of patience and trust in the hands of experts.

    • The Simple Path to Successful InvestingConsistent, long-term investing in low-cost index funds and prioritizing healthy investing behavior like dollar cost averaging and avoiding frequent buying and selling is key to successful investing. Education or intelligence alone does not determine investment success.

      Investing doesn't necessarily require extensive knowledge or constant tinkering. The most successful investors are often those who make consistent, boring investments in low-cost index funds and avoid becoming emotionally attached to their assets. More education or intelligence does not make a significant difference in investment success. Instead, it is important to prioritize healthy investing behavior, like dollar cost averaging and avoiding frequent buying and selling. There is a well-known correlation between high levels of activity in investing (like frequent trading) and worse returns. Show people historical data and stories to help them understand the inevitability of market volatility and develop a long-term investment strategy to stay on track through market fluctuations.

    • Embracing Stock Market Volatility for Long Term Returns and Financial IndependenceVolatility is a natural aspect of stock markets, and accepting it as a necessary cost can help us achieve greater long-term gains. While money can't buy happiness, achieving financial independence can pave the way for greater freedom, control, and autonomy in our lives.

      Understanding that stock market volatility is a common occurrence and viewing it as a fee for admission to gain better long-term returns can help shift one's mindset and make the ups and downs more palatable. Money can buy happiness, not just in terms of material possessions, but also in the freedom, control, and autonomy to live life on one's terms. Happiness is fleeting and relying solely on money for happiness may not be sustainable, but financial independence can provide a foundation for a better life.

    • The truth about money and happinessMoney can provide contentment, but not true happiness. It's important to acknowledge that wealth does not always equate to a fulfilling life and that personal sacrifices for success may not be worth it.

      Money can buy contentment but not necessarily happiness. Studies have shown that rich people are more likely to be content with their lives and have accomplished most of their goals, but they are not waking up every morning happy. The super-rich have oddball personalities that have led to their success, but also make them not very balanced and happy individuals. It's crucial to realize that if you want to emulate the lives of rich and successful people, you can't just pick parts of their lives. Money can do a lot but cannot create a happy and enjoyable life especially when one sacrifices personal life for success.

    • Prioritizing Relationships over Financial SuccessSuccess should not solely be measured by financial wealth. Building strong relationships with friends, family, and children is crucial for a fulfilling life. Prioritize eulogy virtues, such as being a loving partner/spouse/parent, rather than resume virtues, to achieve happiness and contentment.

      Success is not only measured by financial prosperity, but also by our relationships with friends, family, and children. The obsession and grinding mindset of achieving extreme financial success comes at the direct expense of these valuable relationships and memories. It is important to strive for eulogy virtues, such as being a great friend, loving partner/spouse/parent, rather than resume virtues, such as building a billion-dollar company, to lead a fulfilling life. This is something that most young people need to realize, as their allure in life is mostly driven by getting rich and famous, but the true happiness lies in the quality of relationships with others.

    • The Importance of Balancing Work and Personal LifePrioritize spending quality time with loved ones and finding a balance between work and personal life for overall well-being and happiness. Avoid overestimating the benefits of working hard and accumulating material possessions.

      Working hard is important, but it is equally important to balance work and personal life. Dan Harris regrets working seven-day weeks for a long period of time, which took a toll on his relationship with his son, wife, and friends. He now values spending time with his family and rebuilding relationships with his loved ones. It is easy to overestimate the benefits of working hard and accumulating material possessions, but in the end, these things are not as fulfilling as spending quality time with loved ones. Having a sense of what is enough and finding a balance between work and personal life is necessary for one's overall well-being and happiness.

    • The importance of balance in financial planningFinding a balance between spending and saving is crucial in avoiding financial regret in both the present and future. It's important to enjoy life while also preparing for retirement.

      There needs to be a balance in financial planning, as extreme ends of financial planning have the highest degree of potential regret. Spending all money in youth can lead to regret later in life and saving all money can lead to a lack of purpose in life. The super, super rich may not have perpetual happiness, but they have a baseline of contentment. However, the super rich are often oddballs and can make themselves and those around them miserable. The regret of not saving up in youth is a major life regret for many and can close doors in retirement. It is important to find a balance between enjoying life and saving for the future.

    • Achieving contentment through financial security and the pursuit of meaningful relationshipsWhile money may not buy happiness, financial security can help alleviate stress and provide freedom to retire on your own terms. Focus on building strong relationships and identifying your "enough point" to avoid the trap of insatiability and find contentment.

      Money might not make you happier, but it can help you have fewer bad days and remove stress caused by financial insecurity. Wealthy people who have contentment with their careers are those who have saved enough to retire on their own terms. The pursuit of happiness can lead to insatiability and can become a source of unhappiness. The human tendency towards insatiability can be worked around by focusing on two things: building strong relationships and identifying your 'enough point'. Rockefeller, one of the richest people in human history, lived his entire life without many things that we now consider essential.

    • Managing Rising Expectations in a World of Social MediaDon't let others' curated social media feeds set your expectations. Focus on being content with your own life instead of constantly comparing yourself to others.

      People's expectations are always rising relative to others. Even as progress is made in society, the goalposts for what is valuable in life keep moving. Social media exacerbates the problem by creating unrealistic comparisons to curated feeds of the wealthiest and happiest people in the world. This can lead to a world where people are becoming more prosperous but less happy because their expectations rise faster than their income. To stop the goalposts from moving, people need to recognize that the desire for admiration is a paradox - everyone wants to be the driver, but no one admires the driver. We should focus on being content with our own lives instead of constantly comparing ourselves to others.

    • The Power of Enoughness: Finding Balance in Material PossessionsThe mindset of enoughness, appreciating what we have and limiting our desire for more material possessions, can help bring balance and contentment in our lives, avoiding the never-ending cycle of wanting more.

      Having material possessions may not bring as much social benefit as we think, which can help decrease our desire for them. It's important to have a sense of what is enough money and get our expectations to grow slower than our income aspirations. Having enough is not a number, but a mindset of contentment and gratitude for what we have. The goalpost of success can easily keep moving as society progresses with new technologies and toys, but we can use the mindset of enoughness to stop it. Striving for more is not bad, but it's crucial to find balance and not let it consume us.

    • Controlling Expectations for a Happier Life.Lower expectations to appreciate what you have, focus on savings and history, and find joy in simple things. Being rich means paying bills, while being wealthy means having more than you need.

      Lowering your expectations can help you appreciate what you have and live a better life. Suppressing your ego and focusing on your savings rate can help bridge the gap between income and expectations. Understanding and appreciating history can also help keep your expectations in check and continuously amaze you with your circumstances. Being rich means having enough money to pay bills while living your desired lifestyle, while being wealthy means having more money than you need. It's important to focus on controlling your expectations and finding joy in simple things, rather than constantly striving for more money and material possessions.

    • Richness vs Wealth: The Misconception of MoneyMoney unspent can grant control, autonomy, and independence, which leads to an overall better quality of life than just buying nice things. Different experiences shape different financial decisions, and what may seem illogical to one person may make perfect sense to another.

      Richness and wealth are two different things. Richness is having enough money to buy nice things on a regular basis while wealth is the money saved up and invested. We often mistake richness for wealth because we can see the former but not the latter. Money unspent has the purpose of giving you control, autonomy, and independence over your time and life, which ultimately leads to a higher quality of life than just having nice things. People make different decisions with their money based on their experiences, which vary wildly from person to person, so what may seem crazy to one person makes perfect sense to another.

    • Money Isn't Black and WhiteFinancial decisions are subjective due to emotional scars from past experiences. Guidelines for financial planning are useful, but what works for one person may not work for another, making everything varying shades of gray.

      People with different experiences have different views on how to handle money. For those living in poverty without opportunities for career growth, the lottery ticket is like their only sense of hope in life. This may not seem rational or make sense to others, but to them it's a chance at stepping up in the world. The mindset behind financial decisions can be influenced by emotional scar tissue from past experiences, making financial debates subjective rather than objective. While there are general guidelines for how to handle money, what works for one person may not work for another due to different risk tolerances and time horizons. Money isn't black and white, everything is just varying shades of gray.

    • The Importance of Saving Money for the Unpredictable FutureIt's crucial to save money not just for the expected expenses, but also for the unforeseeable events like economic crises, job loss, illness, and divorce. Saving for the future should be a priority regardless of financial background.

      Money has no one right answer, and people will always come to different conclusions about what is best for them. However, it is important to save money not just for risks and expenses that can be envisaged, but also for the ones that cannot be predicted. The biggest risk is always what nobody sees coming, such as economic crises, and it is essential to have savings that feel like they are too much to navigate this unpredictable world. Saving for saving's sake rather than for a specific event is crucial as unforeseeable, yet inevitable events such as job loss, illness, and divorce can happen to anyone. Therefore, regardless of financial background, it is essential to save for the future.

    • Overcoming Financial Problems by Being Reasonable.To secure our financial future, we should save more money, be patient, and make reasonable decisions based on personal happiness and peace of mind, instead of suppressing our aspirations. Beware of home bias in investing.

      Every dollar of savings is a piece of our future that we own and every dollar of debt is a piece of our future that somebody else owns. To overcome financial problems, we need to save more money and be more patient. However, people are not rational decision makers when it comes to finance and we should aim to be reasonable instead. Our financial decisions are influenced by various emotions and goals. We should not suppress our aspirations but instead, we should be reasonable with our financial decisions, keeping in mind our personal happiness and peace of mind. Home bias in investing is a well-known phenomenon where people tend to invest in companies from their own country.

    • The Role of Emotions and Planning for Errors in Financial Decision-MakingFinancial decisions aren't always strictly rational. Recognize the role of emotions, allow yourself to make reasonable decisions, and plan for errors to withstand financial shocks and insolvency. Don't overlook the importance of having a gap between potential outcomes and risk absorption.

      While it may not be rational, investing in familiar companies or paying off a mortgage early can be reasonable decisions that provide emotional benefits. It's important to recognize that human emotions and dynamics play a role in financial decision-making, and giving oneself permission to make reasonable decisions instead of strictly rational ones is okay. Planning for errors is also crucial since the biggest economic risks often come from unforeseen events. Room for error in budgets, forecasts, and mindsets can help individuals and businesses withstand financial shocks and insolvency. In finance, the desire for efficiency and maximum opportunity often overlooks the importance of having a gap between potential outcomes and the ability to absorb risk and damage.

    • Accepting Risk and Uncertainty for a Fulfilling LifeLife is unpredictable and rather than avoiding risks, it's better to prepare for them. Having a realistic outlook and being open to change can help us navigate through tough situations and lead fulfilling lives.

      Life is full of risks and uncertainties that cannot be avoided. Rather than assuming that you can avoid them, it's crucial to absorb manageable damage and be able to absorb risk. It's important to keep things in perspective and remember that there are problems that money can solve and problems that it cannot. Adjusting to a different outcome can be mentally and physically exhausting, whether it's a financial crisis or a family tragedy. It's useful to have a realistic vision of what life can be like and be prepared to rewrite the script when necessary. Accepting room for error and uncertainty can help us live more fulfilling lives.

    • Prioritizing relationships and experiences over materialistic possessionsIn the end, what truly matters is the time spent with loved ones and the impact made on the community. Prioritize meaningful experiences and relationships and strive for 'enoughness' rather than constant accumulation.

      During life, people tend to focus on accumulating more money, possessions and achievements. However, when people reach their final stages of life, they realize that what truly matters is the time they spent with their loved ones and the impact they had on their community. In a study conducted by Carl Piller, elderly Americans did not express any regrets about having less money or not achieving more, but almost every single one of them wished they had spent more time with their family, added more value to their community and called up friends. Therefore, it is important to prioritize relationships and experiences over materialistic possessions and work towards achieving 'enoughness' rather than constantly striving for more.

    • Finding Balance Between Money and Enjoyment in CareerAs time goes by, the enjoyment of work and alignment with personal values become important. A balance between earning enough for independence and autonomy and working on enjoyable projects can lead to a fulfilling career.

      Achieving a sense of 'enoughness' in terms of money does not mean that ambition disappears but the motivations for professional success may shift. While money may have been a major motivation in early career stages, as time goes by enjoyment of the work and a desire to work on projects that align with personal values become increasingly important. A balance between earning enough money for independence and autonomy in work, and being able to focus on work that is enjoyable, can lead to a fulfilling career. Jeff Bezos suggests that enjoying half of one's job is a lofty goal, but finding a balance between earning and enjoying work may make it achievable.

    • The Power of Love and Appreciating Diverse PerspectivesLove for oneself, family, customers, employees, and colleagues can be a powerful motivator for success. Appreciating diverse perspectives can help recognize hidden blind spots and biases, leading to more informed decision-making.

      Love, in a broader sense, like love for oneself, family, customers, employees, and colleagues, can be a significant motivator, besides money and enjoying what we do. Not wanting to disappoint others, especially family and kids, is a powerful motivation for having a successful and satisfying career. This was highlighted in the conversation between two wealthy white men, who acknowledged their natural limitations in seeing the bigger picture. It is essential to recognize that everyone has their unique perspective and lived experiences, which influence their values and motivations. Keeping an open mind and learning to appreciate diverse perspectives can help identify hidden blind spots and biases, enabling us to make more informed decisions.

    • The Power of Empathy, Gratitude, Perspective, and Realistic Expectations for Personal and Societal GrowthOpen your mind to different perspectives, practice gratitude, travel to gain new insight, and set realistic goals to achieve personal growth. This can lead to greater empathy and understanding for others, and ultimately benefit society as a whole.

      It is important to have empathy and an open-minded perspective towards other people's views and the way they live. Gratitude and perspective can help you see things as they are and be more other-oriented, rather than feeling guilty. World travel, especially to poor nations, can open your eyes to how the rest of the world lives. It is comforting to know that everyone has flaws and problems in their lives and being open about them can help others feel less alone. Setting realistic expectations for personal growth, such as being 10% happier, is more helpful than expecting drastic changes. Openness, empathy, and realistic expectations are crucial for personal and societal growth.

    • Why having reasonable expectations is important in investing and lifeUnderstanding and accepting realistic expectations can help you better manage your money and live a more fulfilling life. Be introspective and contextualize your goals to achieve a better understanding of what you want.

      Having reasonable expectations is crucial in life, especially in investing. Many new investors expect unrealistic returns, but if you can earn 8-10% per year, you're doing great. The gap between expectations and reality is wide, but understanding your goals and aspirations can help you manage your money better. Morgan Housel's book, The Psychology of Money, explains how to think about money in a way that helps you contextualize your goals and live a better life. By being introspective, you can achieve a better understanding of what you want in life. And in the same way, Dan Harris sets expectations for what meditation can do for you, helping you live a more realistic and fulfilling life.

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    Jay Michaelson is a writer & journalist, rabbi & meditation teacher, keynote speaker, and scholar of religion. Jay is the author of ten books, most recently The Secret That Is Not A Secret: Ten Heretical Tales. His 2022 book, The Heresy of Jacob Frank: From Jewish Messianism to Esoteric Myth, won the National Jewish Book Award for scholarship. He holds a JD from Yale, a PhD in Jewish Thought from Hebrew University, and nondenominational rabbinic ordination.

    To find this meditation in the Ten Percent Happier app, you can search for “Loving-Kindness in the City.”



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    From Wild Card with Rachel Martin: Taylor Tomlinson

    From Wild Card with Rachel Martin: Taylor Tomlinson

    There’s a great podcast we want to introduce you to today, hosted by our friend Rachel Martin at NPR. It’s her new show, called Wild Card, which she describes as “part-interview, part-existential game show.” It’s a different way of approaching a celebrity interview, with a special deck of cards that helps shape the conversation. It’s a really fun show, and she talks to some really big names, including David Lynch, LeVar Burton, Issa Rae, and US Poet Laureate Ada Limon. 

    Rachel was also a guest on this very podcast recently, and we had a great conversation and even played a little bit of the card game, so go back in your podcast feed and check that out. You can also listen to it here. 

    The Wild Card episode we’re sharing with you today features Taylor Tomlinson, who has found the kind of success many comedians dream about, with multiple Netflix specials and a late-night hosting gig — After Midnight on CBS. She tells Rachel that part of the secret to her success is fear. They also swap stories about their Christian upbringings, the search for validation and getting things stuck up their noses.

    So enjoy this episode, and check out Wild Card wherever you find your podcasts. 

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    Full Shownotes: https://www.tenpercent.com/podcast-episode/spencer-sherman-544


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    About La Sarmiento:


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    To find this meditation in the Ten Percent Happier app, you can search for “Finding Purpose: What Matters Most?” 



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