Good morning, Drew Daily Show. I'm Neil Fryman. And I'm Toby Howell. Today, how spirit airlines went from industry disruptor to Chapter 11 bankruptcy. Then who is Brendan Carr Trump's new pick to leave the FCC? It's Tuesday, November 19th. Let's ride.
Good morning. It is great to be back here in the studio with you, Toby, and with you, our wonderful listeners. Anyone tuning in from Utkiagvik, Alaska? If so, I do not envy your next two months. In this city, 330 miles north of the Arctic Circle, the sun set yesterday at 127 local time, and it won't rise again until January 22. For 64 days, residents there will be living in what's known as polar
Night makes you feel a little bit better about the sun setting at 4.30 here in the evening hours. But here's something to remember. Over the course of the year, Utkiyavik will actually experience the exact same amount of daylight as any other place on Earth. So if we fast forward to May 11th, 2025, the sun will rise in Utkiyavik and it won't set until August 19th.
So, there is a life lesson in there somewhere, even though you might go through periods of extended darkness or extended sunshine, it all evens out in the end. Now, a word from our sponsor, Yahoo Finance. Neil, do you have a stock market group chat? Does a one-legged duck swim in a circle? Of course I do. Now, are all the ideas thrown around there good? Probably not.
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Well, pour out a water the flight attendant charged you for because Spirit Airlines filed for Chapter 11 bankruptcy protection yesterday after years of headwinds finally caught up to the budget airline. So many things had to go wrong to lead to this moment. A merger with JetBlue that fizzled in January, engine problems that grounded part of its fleet, an inability to operate profitability in a post-pandemic inflationary environment.
that time when they said my carry on bag was too big. These all contributed to two and a half billion dollars in losses over the past five years and a failure to turn a profit since 2019. The airline did come out and assure customers that it expects to continue to operate normally now and in the future. So if you forgot to book a Thanksgiving flight home, you can still look their way.
It's stock is a different story, though, after falling over 90% so far this year. Spirit is going to delist from the New York Stock Exchange as it sorts through total debt listed at $9 billion. Toby, you already laid out some of the reasons why Spirit struggled to compete in the airline industry, but what do you think ultimately sank it?
It was my carry on bag fiasco, obviously. It was clearly small enough to fit in the seat in front of me. Now, it was a variety of things. Interestingly enough though, demand wasn't really the issue. Spirit flew 2% more passengers in the first half of this year than in the first six months of 2023.
But the airline took almost 20% less revenue per mile. It was just hard to compete with the industry writ large. It was kind of caught in what we call the messy middle. A lot of US airlines offer that maximum cheapness ticket tier where it's very bare bones, you know, no boarding.
No boarding privileges and just very basic economy seats But it also couldn't compete at the higher end of the spectrum to with more luxury characters like Delta that people were clearly gravitating towards post pandemic So it just was the worst of both worlds even though more people were flying it It just couldn't reliably charge those passengers enough money to operate profitably
Yeah, I mean, there was a price war in the airline industry over the past few years. There was too much capacity. It doesn't serve international markets that are a higher margin for carriers like Delta and United. And it was, I think of it as the Snapchat of the airline industry. First of all, it's yellow. But also, it introduced a lot of innovative features. Remember, if you go back to 2006 when it introduced this ultra discount budget model,
It kind of took the airline industry by storm. It was super successful. The concept of just paying $60 for a one-way flight and just maybe carrying a backpack was quite revolutionary at the time. The problem is the Facebook of the airline world.
decided to just copy it. And then at the same time, they also offer a lot of other things that make them money. So in the context of this price war, spirit lost because it just couldn't charge enough. And it did try to make moves to compete with the big guys. You know, earlier this year, it decided to roll out four different bundles of affairs that you could do. It came with something that somewhat resembles first class where you could board.
More quickly, you can have more refreshments. It comes with a few more perks, but it does seem that that was a little too little too late. It really was that spirit was almost too powerful a force in the airline industry that ended up sinking it because spirit pressured others to keep their affairs lower, pressured others to innovate and offer those lower prayers. And that the fact that they could exert that pressure was part of the reason why the Justice Department
overthrew our successful lawsuit that prevented the JetBlue Spirit merger on the grounds that losing spirit would harm the consumer, losing spirits low-fares would harm the consumer. But then everyone was saying, look down the road a little bit, spirit is struggling. If we don't let this merger happen, you probably might lose spirit to bankruptcy anyways. So it is one of those things where the Justice Department was right that spirit is this
down exerts this downward pressure on prices because of the fairs it offers. But the fact that they blocked the merger made it so that spirit has like this murky path forward going into the future. That again, I don't, spirits not going anywhere. They're going to refinance their debt. They're going to emerge from bankruptcy. It looks like in the Q1 of 2025 and pretty much every airline that exists today has gone bankrupt. The big guys went bankrupt.
after 9 11. Airlines have filed for chapter 11 more than 180 times in recent decades. So this is just something you do as an airline. You go through bankruptcy and then hopefully you come out a healthier company on the back end. But this hasn't happened for a long time.
It hasn't happened in 13 years since American Airlines did go bankrupt. So we haven't seen this from a major US airline in a while because the industry has been doing pretty well. Seems like 9-11 was a big shock to the system that led to three bankruptcies and COVID was the same that has led to at least spirits bankruptcy.
President-elect Trump has selected his chair of the FCC, and it's great news for Elon Musk, and potentially really bad news for Mark Zuckerberg and Tim Cook. Meet Brendan Carr, who come January, will head up the agency tasked with regulating TV, internet services, and radio in the United States.
Normally, it's been a sleepy corner of the DC bureaucracy, but the FCC could adopt a much bigger role if Carr gets his way, and his main objective should he get that power is to punish tech companies and TV outlets, he says, are too liberal in their viewpoints.
On the big tech front, he's accused of meta, alphabet, Apple, and Microsoft of running a, quote, censorship cartel that aims to silence conservative voices. One of his objectives is to repeal Section 230, the federal rules that shield internet platforms from being liable for users' posts. And as for traditional TV, car lambasted NBC when Kamala Harris appeared on SNL right before the election, saying that it tried to evade an FCC rule that forces networks to give equal airtime to candidates.
So there are a lot of business leaders out there who are pretty nervous about car taking charge of the FCC, but Elon Musk is not one of them. Yeah, he's definitely cars. Definitely an Elon guy car wrote on X that we must dismantle the censorship cartel and Elon immediately replied.
with one word of affirmation. He just said base to it. So they're clearly see free speech and see censorship the same way. You're right though. Elon does stand to benefit. Starlink and Starlink's rivals need FCC licenses in order to, you know, beam their internet down from satellites. Those frequencies are pretty, uh, oftenly hotly contested. So whatever the FCC decides can like make or break a company, um,
Elon has also kind of criticized Biden's 42 and a half billion dollar broadband expansion platform where they're using fiber optic cables to bring broadband internet to rural areas of America. He said I could have done it better with Starlink car seems sees it the same way. So a big winner here is Elon Musk for sure.
Just in general, though, the FCC is typically a pretty low-key regulatory body. It emphasizes broadband internet deployment, which is not necessarily this very partisan thing. But Carr is much more interested in big tech, in censorship, and going after what he calls the censorship cartel.
Right. And that'll be the big question around his leadership is whether he can expand the jurisdiction of the FCC to do what he wants to do. And he wrote the FCC chapter in Project 2025, which is this manifesto produced by a conservative think tank that is their wish list for a second Trump presidency. Trump has distanced himself
from that document, but in it, and you can read it, he definitely lays out a sweeping agenda of going after big tech companies that may resemble more of something that would be under the purview of the DOJ or the FTC, which we've talked about endlessly, that they've gone over, they've gone after big tech during the Biden administration. So the big question here for Carr is,
Whether he will get the funding and get the legal green light to pursue some of the stuff that he wants and if he does, then it is a certain big danger for Big Tech, especially that section 230. They say that those rules lay the foundation for the modern internet because tech companies aren't liable for what the content on their platforms. If that goes away, I mean, they could spend literally every day in the courts for years going ahead.
One name that we haven't mentioned when talking about big tech is TikTok. Carr is not a fan of TikTok. He supports the current efforts to ban TikTok in the U.S. He cites national security concerns, which could lead to some tension because Trump has kind of flip flopped on that issue and said, I think TikTok should stay now. So that is a potential battleground that might cause some friction between Trump and Carr.
you are right writ large he is someone that big tech is probably a little bit nervous is coming down the the pipeline even though the FCC doesn't probably have the jurisdiction or you know the purview to really regulate it as car might hope to
Now let's talk about a recent Pew Research survey that shows just how much the news landscape has changed. Gone are the days where people's main source of news were talking heads on TV screens. Instead, Pew found that one in five Americans, nearly 40% of adults under 30, regularly get their news from influencers on social media.
The survey talked to 10,000 adults and studied 500 news influencers with at least 100,000 followers to piece together people's news diets. And one big takeaway is that there is a huge gender gap. Of the influencers in the survey, a clear majority are men coming in at 63%.
In terms of platforms, X is the most popular with 85% having a presence there, lapping Instagram the second most popular, which is used by 50%. Now, if you look at legacy media networks, falling ratings, and the recent presidential election where the Joe Rogan experience and caller daddy both played major roles, a paradigm shift is clearly underway in the news game. And this huge research survey only serves to reinforce that.
It really does. And we just talked about a survey that showed that the trust in legacy media had fallen to an all-time low. 59% of US adults surveyed by Pew in September said they had a lot or some trust in information from national news organizations. That is down
So much from 76% in 2016, people are turning toward individual creators who they view as more authentic and more like them and more able to bring them the news that they want. Maybe it is a convenience factor because they're always on your phone and you're scrolling on Instagram anyway, but we are do seem to be under a sea change.
AP, the Associated Press, which is one of the few news organizations that covers the entire globe, just announced that they're going to cut staff by 8%. The Washington Post is losing up to $100 million. A year, they're losing subscribers. They lost 10% of their subscriber base after they did not endorse a presidential candidate. So there clearly are changing tides here where news creators are on the rise and legacy news organizations are on the downhill.
You can kind of trace the rise of influencers back over a decade or so, almost 10 years ago, remember Barack Obama made ways when he granted an interview to some major YouTube creators. At the time, it was this big deal that he was kind of giving a platform to these smaller YouTube creators. But then fast forward to this year,
and the Democratic National Convention credentialed 200 social media creators for their four-day event. The RNC also hosted more than 70 influencers. It's clearly part of the political playbook at least at this point to bring these influencers in because it's clearly where a lot of people under the age of 30 are getting their news from. So it's just a totally different ballgame at this point.
The research from Pew also dove into how different platforms attract different audiences. There's a much narrower gender divide on TikTok compared to all the other platforms. On most other platforms, news influencers who are male out number females, two to one, but on TikTok, it's 51 male, 46% female. So it is interesting to see how different gender breakdowns stretch across platforms.
So what might we see going ahead? You might see like struggling news organizations start to partner with creators and individuals who bring the news, who may not even have experience. I mean, 84% of news creators on TikTok do not have any formal journalism experience. But clearly, people don't care about that. They want someone who's authentic and who is talking to them like it is. Even if they are overtly biased, it does not seem to matter to people.
as long as they are upfront about it. So I think we'll start to see news organizations tap into influencer networks. You're already seeing this with Yahoo News. You're already seeing this with some other media outlets. NBC tapped a bunch of influencers to lead their Olympics coverage in Paris this summer. So I think you might start to see some interesting partnerships between legacy media outlets that are reading this exact survey and saying, uh oh, we got to, you know, we got to
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What if you got the pay and the prestige of being a doctor but without the insane working hours? Well, welcome to Dermatology and welcome to Toby's Trans-Rion Pack, an emerging trend for you all to impress your friends with. Dermatology is the hottest new job in medicine with residency applications for dermatology slots up 50% over the past few years according to the Wall Street Journal.
America's obsession with skin care is pushing many towards the field, while some poll factors include a more normal 40-hour work week rather than the gut-wrenching hours required in other fields of medicine. And the pay is pretty nice as well. Dermatologists earn a median of $541,000 a year, according to a recent survey from the Medical Group Management Association. Throw in a chance to build and monetize a following on social media, and it's not hard to see why the field is attracting more and more people.
Neil, I feel like this is a confluence of a lot of trends, young people looking for work-life balance, social media supercharging some careers, and people care more about their skin and well-being, a triple shot of Tobi's trends. And when Botox was approved for frown lines by the FDA in 2002, that kind of kickstarted
the slow burn of dermatology becoming more in the public consciousness. Yeah, I think this is, you're right, I think this is the confluence of a lot of trends. Maybe people looking at themselves on Zoom all day during the pandemic, seeing what they look like, saying, oh, I probably should get into skincare that's driving demand for this profession. Also, half of all doctors
say they are burned out and you know maybe in previous generations you just kind of grinded as a doctor and that was what you were supposed to do and it was this higher calling and yes you got a lot of pay but also yes you were on call your beeper was going off at all hours of the night but at this point you're just like
You know, I rather just have my nights and weekends, but it does appear like just work-life balance is weighing out over any other concern, especially in the medicine profession. It certainly wasn't always that dermatology was a prestigious field. Early work of dermatologists was not glamorous at all. They tended to treat, you know, venereal diseases, syphilis that manifested on the skin, but it started attracting a lot
more practitioners when you mentioned that 2002 when the FDA approved Botox for use because now you are introducing medical treatments, but also cosmetic treatments. And so that opened it up to a new thing. And I mentioned the presence, you can't talk about dermatology without talking about social media. Tons of these dermatologists have big followings on social media because skincare is just like the get ready with me phenomenon on TikTok.
Skin care is just so deeply ingrained in the social media culture right now that you have the ability to build this following outside of, you know, your actual practice, which is very appealing to a lot of people. So I do just want to give dermatologists their shout out though. They're the first line of defense for a lot of people. A lot of things manifest on your skin and skin cancer is the most common form of cancer in the United States. So you can kind of have it all. You can have the work life. You can have the good pay. You can have the social media following and you can have that higher calling where you're actually helping people.
Right, so if you were listening to this thing, hey, maybe I want to be a dermatologist and get paid $541,000 a year. Well, get in line with all of these perks. Comes a lot of competition. One example is that at UConn Health, there were 600 applications for four residency slots, so it's going to be tough to get into some of these higher level of residency programs.
Let's sprint to the finish with some final headlines. I regret to inform you, there's been another E. coli outbreak. One person has died and at least 39 people have become sick across 18 states from an E. coli outbreak linked to organic and baby carrots sold in U.S. grocery stores, the CDC said. The carrots, which were supplied by Grimway Farms in California, were sold under popular brand names, including Trader Joe's, Target's Good and Gather, and Walmart's Market Side.
They are no longer on store shelves, but the CDC says you should throw away or return any bad carrots in your house that fit the description on its website. I mean, what this really shows is how many of these so-called separate brands actually rely on the exact same suppliers. I mean, all the Kroger, Publix, Target, Trader Joe's, Walmart, Wegmans, Whole Foods, they all lead back to Grimway Farms just with different packaging. So we've seen this with some other of the E. coli outbreaks where waffles supplied by one manufacturer
made it into a bunch of different waffle brands. So what this is really showing is just how many of these brands are connected by single suppliers. In some Trump cabinet news, the president-elect chose Fox News contributor Sean Duffy to lead the Department of Transportation. For those keeping track at home, this is now the second time in two weeks that Trump has chosen
a Fox personality to serve in his cabinet after he picked Pete Hegseth to leave the Department of Defense. But Neil, Fox News isn't even Duffy's only TV experience. He also appeared on MTV's The Real World back in 1997.
mentioned that he spent eight years in the house from Wisconsin, representing Wisconsin. But yes, his most recent since have been on Fox News. He's also an accomplished lumberjack and has won several world championships in speed climbing events. Also, people might remember him
from the real world. But he's going to step into this big role that under, you know, Transportation Secretary Pete Buttigieg has been on a lot of news headlines because of spending that infrastructure, money bill, and Buttigieg has been very vocal about protecting consumers, especially in the airline industries taken on airlines when it comes to price gouging for various ticket prices and all these hidden fees.
So we'll see if he continues what what Mayor Pete has done in this role or he rolls some of that back. But we'll see it's become a very high-profile role in the last four years at least. Here's a pretty shocking finding from a recent paper. Amateur readers can't dependedly differentiate between classic works of poetry from literary icons like William Shakespeare.
and chat GBT-created poems that are modeled after them, according to a study published in Scientific Reports. Here's the more intriguing part, though. Those readers preferred the AI-generated poems on average than the human-written ones, and more often thought the AI poems were written by humans. The authors think that the non-expert readers, like the AI poems, better because they were more straightforward and easier to understand than the brain-busting stylings of poets like Shakespeare and Emily Dickinson.
Okay. So I'm going to test you, Neil, and test you all listening at home. I have two haikus in front of me. One I wrote and one was written by chat GBT. So you're ready. Here's haiku at number one. Toby lights the mic. Neil's banter sharp as sunrise morning brew, pure joy. That's haiku number one. And then here's haiku number two. I am a robot. A robot wrote this poem, thoughtless lines of code. So which one haiku number one or number two do you think was written by a robot?
But I think you're doing reverse psychology on us. So I'm going to go with, you wrote the robot one. Son of a gun, you're right. That's too easy. IQ number one was in fact written by chat GPT. And no disrespect to your name, Toby. But this study compared Shakespeare, Allen Ginsburg, Emily Dickinson, Walt Whitman poems to AI generated one. So and people could not tell the difference at all. And they liked the AI poems better. And I think that's a very common
Common feeling that when we read these poems and we know they're classics and they're so important and Ostensibly very good, but sometimes they're just really hard to understand and Chachi Bt just dumbs them down a little bit and maybe evokes a little more emotion in us You want to know what's funny is that I actually prompted Chachi Bt to write a poem like Toby from morning of fruit And that's what it came up with so I tried to you know fool you, but you're too smart
Finally, my fellow Floridians, cover your ears because Tropicana has changed its orange juice bottle again, and it stinks! The OJ Maker recently ditched its iconic clear plastic Caraf-esque bottles to introduce a more traditional look that is slimmer and a lot more boring. Now, it's one thing to ditch the recognizable silhouette, but Tropicana also went in shrink-flated the bottle as well, and now only contains 46 ounces of juice down from 52. Say it with me, Neil, this new bottle
Thanks. No, it's fine. I don't know why everyone's getting in such a tizzy about it, but it has had a very dramatic effect on sales in July. Tropicana sales fell 8.3% from the previous year in August. Sales dropped 10.9% and then they absolutely cratered in October. Tropicana sales fell nearly 20%.
year over year. I don't know how much that has to do with the bottle. I looked at the bottle. It looks like any other orange juice bottle and maybe that is the problem. Tropicana had this wide aperture and a bigger bottle cap that I guess people liked. This one is much slimmer, has a smaller aperture and looks very much more generic and maybe that's what customers are pushing back on. But this is not the first time that Tropicana has had a botched redesign. In 2009, it changed its cartons to look
much more minimalist from that, you know, striped straw in the orange juice, which is very iconic. And they moved away from that and then customers revolted. And after six weeks, Tropicana brought back the striped straw. I tell you what, Floridians, we are finicky when it comes to our Tropicana. We just want it to look the same and remind us of, you know, the burning orange peels that I smelled growing up every morning.
Okay, let's wrap it up there. It's great to be back and spend some time with you this Tuesday morning. Thanks so much for listening and have a great rest of your day. For any questions, comments, or feedback, send an email to morningbrewdailyatmorningbrew.com. You know, I was catching up on some Seneca, the stoic philosopher, and one of his quotes stood out to me. He said,
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