Shiva Tantra Saadhu On TRS - Bhairava, Kashmiri Shaivism & Naga Saadhus | TRS

I don't want to start this conversation by telling you something really really weird but even ghosts and spirits they have their own very peculiar smell. What does it smell like? It is blissful.

Have you met a sadhu who claims to be much older than normal human beings? I know him. Toughly how many years? Thousands. So he's seen the British occupation of India? A lot. He's seen the Mughal era. A lot more than that from me. He's living the life of a normal person? Yes, businessman. I don't know if I should be putting this out. You know about the seven children genius. Yes.

Did you have a face of doing the arm job? I can see this right now on camera because I don't do it anymore. I started to realize that just after two or three days, this mantra was continuously ringing. I called by Guruji again and I'm like, you know what, Guruji, this is what is happening. I'm taking a leak. It is just not stopping, which apparently happened to be a really good thing. The mantra chanting. Yes. What's the life of a sadhu like up there?

I remember surviving in Kitchity for months together. So one food in the entire day, which is after the offering of Devi, after the offering of Flora and Fonas, mind you, this is not easy task. It just bogs you down. I remember I used to cry.

Kashmir basically was the land of Parava. Unfortunately, there's a lot of energies which are kundit. There are places that have been, myself and I felt, wailing and crying of a lot of people, as if there was a massacre, huge massacre. Do the sadhus up in the Himalayas ever speak about the Kalki of Thav? Vishnu. He is unfortunately or fortunately found by his own Vachan. And every time something bad happens in Prithvi Loka, he has to come down.

but far away from our time. Well, the way we see time as, you know, linear, past, present and future, it is not really like that. Kalki of Thar, apparently. When was the first time you came across an entry? I could sense that there is somebody sitting right adjacent to me. I could feel it. I opened my eyes and I, for at least, I think, a couple of seconds, I could see a huge figure. Because of the fact that I was doing the Ramjagar, thinking your head, who would have been sitting right next to me? I think he's sitting next to you. Yes.

I think India is that one country in the world where you'll see more people get inclined to monkhood and spirituality than any other country. And Yvraj Rivastav has had one of those life stories where he left the traditional city life. He was an engineer. He went to the gym. He was a power lifter. He did all those regular urban Indian things.

but then switched over into the world of monkhood. He's lived with sages in the Himalayas. He has lots of experiences related to the Himalayas, related to Indian spiritualism. And today, we'll understand Sanatana more deeply. We'll understand Kashmiri, Shaivism much more deeply, and we'll understand Tantra much more deeply, of course.

This particular episode was deeply experiential. We got deep into the things that Yvraj Srivastava has seen once his hermit-like journey began, once his second innings began, very, very heartfelt, very, very educated episode of TRS with Yvraj Srivastava. So now, no, enjoy yourself.

We're here for the vibes, baby. Hoping for some good vibes. Very excited to speak with you, sir. Likewise. OK. Really? There's a mustard dia burning in front of us. We've only recently started burning mustard dias in the middle of podcasts. When I entered this room, the first thing which caught my attention, energy-wise, was the stable in the dia. And I was looking at it for, yeah, some time. I can keep looking at it. It gives me a meditational vibe.

Yeah. My counter question, who advised you to use the mustard oil in the dia in the studio, not any other oil, ghee or otherwise? I'm being mentored a little bit for my practice by Rajashini Nandi. Okay. And he's suggested that I like mustard dias when I'm doing my bare of namjap. Quite energetic. And anybody who is slightly even into picking up energies would be able to, he or she would be drawn to it.

I'm constantly going to be looking at there right now. That's great. That's great. I think you kind of get addicted to the smell off it after a point. It's very negative. It depends on how acute your smelling senses are. I don't want to start this conversation by telling you something really, really weird, but even ghosts and spirits and everything. You see, they have their own very peculiar smell.

Sometimes because of the fact that human perceptions are not that tuned to smelling or hearing these voices or tastes or sounds, you see. When you sort of do a little bit of sadhana, maybe with your guru's grace by the Kripa of Bhagavati,

I think you sort of picked these things up. I remember, if you don't mind, can I tell you a story? Go for it. Please. I think last year I was in Bangalore with one of my Guruji's who got me initiated into Nathaparamfara and Rishi Shampradaya of Nathaparamfara in specific. So Guruji and I are coming back from this, you know, walk from one of these mountains in Bangalore near Banargata.

Late evening, of course, coming back and all of a sudden we hear sounds. You know, sounds that you would generally avoid thinking it's cricket, some insects, you know, it's jungle, you know, what else can you expect? But then my Guruji is like, Maitananda, do you see something? Maitananda is my, is the name which has been given to me by my Guruji. I'm like, do you hear something? I'm like, yeah, but what is it? Okay, try to focus and I'm focusing. And this is,

If I can remember it, right? Wailing noise as if somebody's really calling for help and something which you would and I'm trying to sort of recall Ranveer, you know, these voices are sounds you don't hear using your ears. It just somehow you just hear it. Okay. And.

So I don't get intimidated by these things. But I'm asking, curious, what is this? And then slowly and gradually we started to walk towards the source of the sound and all around us there is the sound.

Do you know what these sounds were? They were Chudhals. Calling, just calling, not name calling. And as soon as we are, you know, focusing more and more on these sounds, you know, they are just louder and louder in your own head, not the years during the listening. It's a very different kind of sound experience.

So there are many, many stories like that. And a lot of times I also sort of smell the same smell around also in other places as well. Sometimes when I sit down deep in meditation, great smell, it's a cosmic smell. If you burn copper at let's say 150 degrees, it would start to smell like something which perhaps even astronauts have said this is how the universe smells.

It is crazy, but it is blissful. What does it smell like? Like I said, it's very very different from how you and I are tuned to smell smells. It's very distinct, but at the same time, I think it was for me. So I can be very sure as to how it went for me. It suddenly did give me a feeling that it is something which is not earthly.

Yeah, I was like swoosh. You know, you've given me a beginning with a lot of tangents that I can go on as a podcast host. Okay. But the simple tangent that I'll take is how are you? Bhagavati is keeping me in her guide and guard. And I hope it is the same for everybody around in the room as well. It's good to have you here. Likewise.

Yeah, I've said this on some other podcast as well, but when I was growing up and I started wondering more about the land I was born in. I think one of my dreams when it came to India was the possibility to explore the Himalayas and meet people like yourself who are true seekers. For lack of better words, in some ways, and please correct me if you disagree with me. I feel like you're a sadhu. Are you a sadhu?

Well, I don't mind people calling me whatever they feel like. You call me UV, you call me however you want to, right? So names are for others. I don't need to know myself over the name. Do I really need an association of a name to know myself attack? Do I really also need that tag?

I really don't need to know myself through a particular name or something, right? So you call me anything that doesn't matter. What's the difference between a tantric, sadhu, sadhak? These are all methods, or in Hindi, we say Upaya, of knowing your own true self, reaching the supreme divine, whichever name that you want to tag it with, because that is nameless quite literally, formless quite literally, and just consciousness.

So if you are able to or try to read that Supreme Consciousness through your Tano and through a particular way or Margu, you are Tantric. You are Bhakta, if you are doing, if you are immersed in Bhakti. Or the love for the Divine. It's very unfortunate again that we have to explain and define love these days. I just hope that 20 years down the line,

It doesn't happen that there is a university who is teaching a course of how to love. It is such an innate and intrinsic and inherent attribute to almost everybody, everybody here in the room, everybody outside. But love is unfortunately very misunderstood.

So if you're able to have that pure divine love and surrender, you are a bhakta. How old are you in human years? In my early 40s. So who introduced you to Tantra? This is, I would say, I will have to actually

Think about it as to where did I first hear this word? And what was my first impression of how I understood Tantra? I'm also a very Western guy, right? And I have had very Western influences in my life also. So at one point of time, I think Tantra was something which usually the world knows as, you see how. But this is just one M of the five M's in Tantra, right? Kashmiri Shavism,

which unfortunately is called Kashmiri Shaivism even right now when I'm talking to you, it's called the Trika. Trika. Trika, it's D-R-I-K. That's the actual name. That's the real name of the philosophy itself. What people referenced was Kashmiri Shaivism. Kashmiri Shaivism. Kashmir actually had a lot to contribute towards this particular philosophy in itself, but it is not Kashmiri Kashmiri. It would be very unjust to the philosophy itself to tag it Kashmiri. The original word by all the masters

They have used Trika. Sometimes I've also read and been told by my Guruji also, that Maha Charya, Abhinav Gupta himself, termed it as Param Madwata, which is, you know, the Parah, the Param Adwata. That is how they would want to look at the philosophy.

I think Abhinav Gupta has been spoken about on the show earlier by an archaeologist called Anika Man. And because of the name Abhinav Gupta, I thought it's someone who's probably like around our age. But I then got to know that it's someone from medieval India. It's a little unfortunate that in current times India, we hear and study a little less when it comes to

Abhinav Gupta. The kind of work that he has done in terms of compiling all those ancient wisdom into books, many, many, many, many books is phenomenal. You may as well lead three, four, five, six different podcasts for just covering the contribution of this person. Okay. And he was a practice of Trika? Yes.

Yes. We're going to open up this topic of Trika now. Sure. I would request you if it's okay with you. Some kind of mantra job before we begin, whatever you're allowed to, just so that we ensure it's not you and me speaking. Yes.

Okay, now that we join you, by our brothers. By the same cosmic force, Ranveer.

same cosmic energy is doing the listening is doing the asking is also doing my part okay and we begin by how it was introduced to you the first time hmm interesting so uh last october or september i'm in kashmir so there is this place in central kashmir valley called bhirva all right this is a distortion from the word bhirva okay

So it's a very famous place, by the way, in Google, it's called B-E-E-R-W-A-X right now. And there is an ancient cave in one of these hillocks in that sub-district. As per the legends, Abhinav Gupta goes inside this particular cave, which I have been unfortunate that

that it is in this particular condition in the current times. But I was very privileged, I can say, that I went to this particular cave at least more than three or four times, was again privileged and blessed to sit down there and do some tapas.

So I am there in Kashmir and this was the first time I stayed for over a month in the valley and then we had many interactions with a lot of different people, different categories of people, different layers of societies. And I'm like, I have been to this particular place at least two or three times and I am not happy with the way this whole facade is going around.

There is a butcher house right in front of this particular divine gufa, which is supposed to be a kshetra, a bharavakshetra. And then there are waste management systems right in the rear of this particular cave. So there's a lot of unfortunate events which are just happening right at that particular place. And we are doing a Reki, we're trying to find out what else could have been there because now this is a very different age, time and place.

1200 years before that place would have been very different. The time would have been very different. Demography wouldn't have been the same right now. And all in all, I think about 300, 400, 80 all the way until almost 1300 to 1400.

A.D. Kashmir basically was the land of Parava. It's still the land of Parava. Unfortunately, there's a lot of energies which are Kundit. If you know disintegrated, it's not the way it should be. Because of many, many other factors, sometimes the Vigraha itself has been broken down in many, many pieces.

Sometimes the temple, sometimes, and there are places that I've been myself and I've felt wailing and crying of a lot of people as if there was a massacre, a huge massacre there. There are a lot of places in Kashmir. Hurts, but well, that is how it is. So anyway, so we are talking about this Bhara Vakiv. So we were actually meeting a lot of people, and that is how one fine day I'm sitting in one particular temple, which is one of my favorite temples in Srinagar.

And I happened to meet one of my Guruji's who I think in the first time that we saw each other, I don't know if this would be right to say, but love at first sight, you know, an imprint. Guruji is your love. Yeah, I don't know. It's okay. If there is a right word or right way too. Don't worry, like the listeners are evolved at this point. So people are keeping up with... Yeah, I'm sure Bhagavati is...

working out her magic that way but I really don't have correct words to and it was like I was almost stunned for a few seconds so that is how my first interaction or understanding of what Trika is itself the the deeper philosophy the 36 that was this that etc I mean I was I was jaw dropped

We were, you know, most of us, you and I, or 90% of the people who follow some other Sanatana philosophies, they are mostly Vedantic, active-oriented. Jasri Ram, I always say. But the sort of nuances that

Param Adwaita or Trika has, it's blinding. It's a different level. And you need a guru to guide you through it, of course. Got to, got to. I think most of the listeners at this point, thanks to the last couple of years of a whole of Tantra-based podcasts, are at the point of Namja, at least. Lots of people have started some kind of bear of Namja or Devi,

oriented Namjap, at least that's begun. A lot of the listeners are intending to find the gurus at some point over the next couple of decades. So I think these podcasts are food for their soul. For everyone who is in the process of the Namjap, the ones that light the mustard, the ivory night, go about the Namjap regularly. What's your message to them?

Very short, actually, prepare yourself in the Guru manifests and the level of preparation that you have at any particular point of time, please understand you're not going to find a super guru. You're only going to get somebody who is going to teach you from where you are to the next level.

the Guru will change from this level to the next level also. So in my, in a very layman terms, I keep telling to people, make your bowl Hindi, you say katora, make your bowl that big so you can accommodate as much because this is really much. It's too much. So sadhana or namjap or everything on those lines, you know, basically is making you the right pathra to receive everything which is around us.

Did you have a face of doing the arm job? Yes. In fact, I started with that runway. Let me tell you a story if you are okay with that. This is when I decided to, and I know it would be wrong if I say I decided to. It was a different decision made by somebody else and I had to follow it. So I wrapped almost what we call life. Things attached with us almost in a backpack and

Did like everybody else used to do run to the Himalayas you quit your job I wasn't working then okay when I did this whole thing I had a I had a couple of restaurants and I wrapped everything up And this just happened very suddenly when I don't even know how Why and all these things I don't have no answer But

I vividly remember that I was told or I had read it somewhere that before you do something of this sort, you know, you must take permission from your wife. I didn't have one or your mother and father, your parents, right? So obviously being the son, I'm closer to my mother. So we had to talk.

And my mother and I can talk on almost everything under the sun. And I'm like, mother, this is what I want to do. So usual regular mothers, you see, obviously how much ever old you are, she would still think of you as somebody who needs protection. Mothers are that way. So yeah, but

cutting the long story short, she was like, let me come along with you. I'm like, no way. So anyway, this thing happens. I'm in Rishikesh and I am calling one of my Guruji's again. I'm like, Guruji, this is what I want to do. And I'm in Rishikesh and I'm going to go on my foot all the way to Kedarnath from here. And let's see where Bhagavati takes my journey to.

Is there any particular suggestion or something that you would want to, and he's like, yeah, take this mantra? Keep going with it. Keep going with it without even counting how many number of times you do in it. I'm like, okay. What is it? So this was this Maha Mantra. Hari Rama, Hari Rama, Rama Rama, Hari Hari. I can say this right now on camera because I don't do it anymore. Hari Krishna, Hari Krishna, Hari Krishna, Hari Krishna, Hari Hari. This is the Maha Mantra, a 16 letter Maha Mantra.

And I'm like, okay, TK Guruji, I will continue with this. Any number? No? Fine. So, I started with this particular mantra since

I left Rishikesh and almost 15, 16 days in my journey in the deeper Himalayas. I started to realize that, you know, just after two or three days, this mantra was almost automatic in my head. It is continuously ringing. I'm going to eat. I'm going to do anything, you know, where sometimes I also feel that this should not be running in my head right now.

It is not the time for this mantra, right? Guilt a little bit. I called my Guruji again. I'm like, you know what Guruji, this is what is happening. I'm taking a leak. And at the same time, I also want to stop it. It is just not stopping, which apparently had happened to be a really good thing. You know, a mantra is basically supposed to keep ringing and reeling in your head at one point of time. Unless that happens, you are just doing japat,

There are four or five ways you can actually chant mantras, right? With speech, with... And then it comes, so... When the mantra chants you. Yes, so this rather happens to anybody after some time. It really happened with me in three, four days, which was very disturbing, Ranbir. I remember I used to cry because of the

invaluable experiences that it got me through. Super excited as a kid, as if like a kid gets a new toy and wants to play around, wants to show almost every one of his friend, this is my new toy, right? Something new happens to you in your life also that way, which is not regular life. You also as a kid want to, you know what dad, I got this, I don't know how to, so you get super excited about these things.

Um, and some, some things happen that you can't speak about on the podcast. Yeah, many. And I know I don't have to. Okay. But let's just say some facilities got unlocked. Uh, faculties. Yes. I'm sorry, faculties. Yes. Hmm. It happens. I'm in at the same time that this mantra started chanting you. Yes. Okay.

Have you ever had this experience where I'm going to ask you this question? You are almost thoughtless and you just don't know why the tears are just coming out of your eyes. Continuously, you don't know how and you can't even stop. It happened in Kashmir, actually. There's a Shiva temple in Gulmerk, climbed up, went inside.

I did a Mahalajab, and at the end of the Mahalajab there was just tears rolling down, but no sadness, no happiness. Just some release. There are many experiences one can talk about, but these are supposed to be experienced.

not told. Everybody is going to have a very different experience and everybody should have different experiences. Like in our tradition, the Trika tradition, the way Guruji describes it, at the 37th Tatwa, in the 36th Tatwa, you don't have Param Shiva. You don't have Param Shiva is beyond all these 36 Tatwa, right? So he manifests into the

creation as himself wanting to experience himself in divinely, uniquely ways possible. So if you and I were, if you and I are the same Shiva and if you are very similar or indifferent, this would not solve the purpose of Shiva. You and I have to be different.

That is how Shiva is experiencing himself through me, the way I am, through you, the way you are. It has to be very, very individual. So Shiva is like that, is experiencing himself through many, many, many bodies and manifestations. When we speak about parashiva or parashakti or paravishnu,

It's the Sanadhany way of referencing the divine. What the West calls Omnipresent God, we call Parabram Parashva, Paravishnu, depending on the path of Sanadhana. You have chosen. Yes. All that speaks to you. Yes. You spoke about 36 Thattras up till the point of reaching Parashiva. Is Thattras like levels? Thattras are not level, but let's say structure.

The very structure of this particular existence or this Brahmand, this universe, or this existence itself, the one that we perceive is made of. But you said in Trika, there are 36 tattooers before you reach Parajiva. Yes, yes. You mean the universe is made out of 36 kings? Yes, yes.

So fire, water, air. These are the these are the Mahapant Chubhutas. Very gross elements of the existence. The one that you can see, perceive, hear, taste and everything else. But these are the grossest elements. The Supreme or the subtlest element is Shiva itself. I would say Shiva and Shakti together make that particular element and

Out of many, many wonderful manifestations of Shiva, the one which is very unique and very dear to myself also, is the Arvanarishwara. I'm sure you know half a woman and half a man, that is how it's represented, that is how the Paramatattva

which is the 36th Tatwa, as per the Trika tradition, is undivided pure consciousness. That is the 36th Tatwa. So you're saying that there is the ultimate divine which is Parashiva? Yes. Yes. That outputs Shakti in the first place, which is just the power of the realm that all realms. A little correction. Param Shiva is basically beyond all these 36 satvas.

In the 36 Tatwas, when you enter the Tatwa game, you're the first and the most subtlest Tatwa that you can aspire to perhaps achieve in one of those lifetimes is the Shiva Tatwa. You can never achieve Param Shiva.

That is beyond these that was. And then the Shakti, what we talk about basically is one which is the Vimarsha in which the Shiva can manifest or can see its own reflection, can see its own knowledge. So that becomes basically Shakti. And then there are three different kinds of Shaktis through which Shiva basically does the whole manifestation, whole creation and everything else. I mean it goes down to a lot of nitty-gritties but Gyano Shakti, remember,

Iksha and Kriya Shakti. These three are the major Shakti's we got to remember. Kriya Shakti's is the action, the power of action. Knowledge that is Gyanu and Iksha which is well and then comes down to Kriya which is power of action. We all have all these three Shakti's by the way. You also do some Iksha. We also do some desire. These are all Iksha's.

Hours are limited. Okay. Why do you go out in the Himalayas for your sadhana? Number one, a little immaturity, I guess. At one point of time, you think that everything which is here in this samsara is sort of binding you in a certain way, be it your regular schedules, your work.

your commitments. You want to shed all these things once and for all or for some time. So you can focus on a particular thing. That is what sadhana means. Right. Perhaps because of this, I had to do that. I look back at it right now and I think I wonder why, but I don't even find an answer to to why it happened to myself. I have, I have no answer. Okay. How far have you gone into the Himalayas? Quite.

quite. Yeah. Like if I ask you about the furthest place that you've gone up till... Kedartal. There are very few people who would even know about this place. Kedartal. Yeah. And what is it? It's about 17 odd kilometers from Gangutri. Yeah, there are very few people who actually even know about it. And

except for some trekking enthusiasts or sadhus. Nobody walks that route. I'm sure you meet other sadhus as well. Yes. What are their stories? Different individual stories, but all inspiring stories in a way. You see, so I remember one of these conversations where I'm like Babaji Yajape. There are so many people. I know there are maybe hundreds who are in the Bhagava, but

I know for sure that they are all not Siddhuprushas. Although I am in Gangotri, about 14,000 feet above the sea level, but there is a little bit of impurity here as well. Acting here as well. How do they cope up with their own selves? I am also seeking right now and I am trying to also sort of collect little bites the information from Siddhuprushas like you.

But they aren't even doing that. And his answer still baffles me. I mean, it was like, you tell me how many of these sadhus, the one that you think are just acting, do you find in Rishikesh? Maybe in a few lakhs, right? But there are a few hundreds here in Gumbotri. If they have to go all the way to Rishikesh or some other place like Chitrakut, they would be making even more money than they are making here in Gumbotri.

Living in this particular harsh climate, conditions, atmosphere, topography and everything else itself is a subconscious sadhana that you are doing without even knowing what they may be playing around with you but at the same time they are also in a sadhana that they aren't aware of.

Like I said just before, there are certain places in Himalayas that you just go. You don't even have to do certain things. And these energies or forces sort of work through you. You are just mesmerized as a regular human being. There are so many experiences. What's the life of a sadhula like up there? What's our day in the life like?

So I would narrate a few of the sadhus as well as sadhus that I had met. Sure. Yeah, yeah. Less women up there as well. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. How percentage? 20%. Yes, yeah.

Let me talk about this, Sadhvi, that I'm talking about right now. From Karnataka, almost 25 years in Gangotri, doing Sadhana, her daily life style is waking up at 3, 3, 3 in the morning, taking a shower that early, Nith Teja, Pooja, Dhyan, everything else. But shower, right there is Gangaji. Okay, in the river. Yeah, yeah. And then,

all the way until 11, 11, 30, they would be busy with their medication, Dehana and rituals. And it's under the open sky or? In their cave. Okay. Yeah. It gets extremely cold, Ranveer. So 11, 30, 12 o'clock, they would get up after almost 8, 90 hours of Dehana and rituals, Prasad and everything else. Then they will feed some animals and birds about two or three o'clock that Prasad

They take it as food. And what is the food? It's very natural, like kichide sometimes. Sometimes it could be just peanuts. Very normal things. But where are they getting the food from?

So there is a small market right where the temple is, which is open only for about six to seven months in the entire year when the temple is open. After that, everything is closed, they wrap it up and go back down to their village. So, yeah, the food is very, very simple. I remember surviving in Kichadi four months together. That is what you get to eat.

Between 11.30 to 2 o'clock she would finish off by, you know, offering the Prasadam to the birds and animals around. Then she eats. Another couple of hours she sits in the temple in Gangotri comes back. Again, the sadhana starts, sleeps at 11.30, no food.

So one food in the entire day, which is the Prasad, which is after the offering of Devi, after the offering of Flora and Fauna, and then she takes the Prasad. This is just one sadh. And she's been doing this continuously from the last 25 years, mind you, this is not easy task. For anybody to continue with one particular practice, schedule a lifestyle dedicated for 20 years. Do they ever come down to the towns? Rarely. They don't like to.

I remember myself, it just bogs you down. So this time when I had to come, when I was talking about how I had to fly from, Gungo 3 to Srinagar, the first time around, and I'm descending the mountains way before I could reach even Rishikesh. A lot of halablu going on all the time, you see, honking of the cars, people chatting with that, etc. Everything is going on at normal lifestyle.

And it was too much for me to absorb because I was spending a lot of time in solitude. So it starts to bog you down, affect your equilibrium. And I think it takes time for me it took at least a week 10 days to sort of get regular to things.

Let's speak about that equilibrium a little bit, because that level of sadhana, that time that's being dedicated to the meditation, to the rituals, of course, it's changing your state of consciousness a little bit. So for example, that's Adri. I'm pretty sure again, for lack of better words, she is in bliss. Must be. Must be. That's how she's able to power through, I mean, we're using the word power through. It's not powering through first. She's enjoying her time there. Yes. Right. Yes.

That's the charm of that. You can't otherwise do these things relentlessly for 20 years. You got to be in that Anandil. Have you met a sadhu who claims to be much older than normal human beings? I know him. I can't name him. I know a few people who have been there at least have spoken with one who has been alive from some time.

roughly how many years thousands thousands yes so he's seen the British occupation of India a lot he's seen the not a lot a lot more than that what did you ask him

The one question which I was not supposed to ask him was his name. So I did not. But yes, regular conversation. And I remember when I was talking to him, I was about to see him in a couple of months. So I sort of held back a lot of questions thinking I would want to see him eye to eye while asking these questions. So it just happened.

And, well, we never met. But I remember very clearly talking to this gentleman. But you met him up there? Nope. Somewhere in the city? Yes. He lives in Weizag. Wow. Weizag. Yes. But of course, he'll publicly never... No, of course not. He's living the life of a normal person? Yes. Businessman.

You never know. You see, appearances are one of these qualities of Shiva is concealment. Concealment doesn't mean to hide, but to present yourself in many, many, many, many forms. For example, so much of information would be out in public that you would be confused. That is the way of

Distorting the truth. We don't hide it. You put it in the open. Okay with so many other things It's like finding something in the haystack this sadhu was alive Who is alive for more than a thousand years? What's his indention behind staying alive? I don't know if I should be putting this out in but So you know about the seven children GVs. Yes That's all you want to say

He didn't happen to have a shiny bead on his head, right? Do the sadhus up in the Himalayas ever speak about the Kalki of Thar? I've never spoken with him about this. Do you speak to the gentleman in Vaizag about Kalki of Thar? Not really, but I have spoken with my Guruji extensively about him. His things are going to actually happen. But far away from our time. Well, timelines are really botched up. The way we see time as a linear time or experience as

you know, linear, past, present and future. It is not really like that. Kalki Avtar, apparently in most, I would rather not talk about it. Yeah. I've been asked by my gurus to sort of keep it to myself. Okay. How do you feel when you come to Mumbai after speaking about the Himalayas in so much detail? It gets to me. I mean, quite literally I like cities because it has a very energetic vibe, but it's too botched up.

Too much confusion. So much of intermixing a lot of things going on at the same time. It becomes bizarre. Do they smoke shit up there in the Himalayas? Of course they do. It's a part of a sadhana. Not every sadhana. And not everybody does it. None of my Guruji actually endorsed

to get on any sort of supplement for your sadhana. But there are some people up there who would still do it. Down here also. Down here. Down here, it's everywhere. But are they doing it for sadhana? If they are not then... So you think if one uses it for sadhana, it's a correct usage? I don't recommend anybody trying for any other sorts of substance use to get into sadhana because eventually

one day or the other, if you are taking this as a walking stick, you would need that for all your life. So better start beginning it without being addicted or do it, or for its help. If I had this, I would have done better. Yeah, I think I'm a fan of

keeping sobriety as one of the main themes during sadhana. The sobriety helps a lot. The cleanliness helps a lot. I feel when your entire body is clean, it allows the sadhana to really act through your body. Energy, yes. I feel the same about non-veg. I mean, I've had mentors, spiritual mentors who eat non-veg themselves. They're doing all right.

But I've just seen too many benefits by giving up on meat. When did you? Seven years ago. What caused you to do that? I kind of think I just shed it off. I just couldn't eat chicken one. It took some time to stop eating seafood. Probably a year after. But after one even seafood didn't really taste the same as it did when I was growing up.

So your story is very similar to mine Ranveer. Alright, about 7-8 years back, I was standing at one butcher shop.

and I was into powerlifting at one point of time. You look at me and you don't realize that I'm sure, but this is almost 10 years back. So as usual, you know, as your nutritionists and everybody will keep telling us to what you got to eat, there's that, et cetera, et cetera. You are an Abun guy, you know. So I was into heavy meat eating. I have three times chicken breasts, et cetera, et cetera, you see. Yeah, same. But my,

meat and poultry shopping used to be from a super store so you wouldn't see that animal being killed for your own taste. You just threw a chest in the back. I just happened to experience that once and that was the last time I... Yeah. Yeah. I can never forget those pair of eyes of that goat. Yeah, I hear what you're saying. How do you feel the meat interacts with one sardna?

Well, it depends on what sadhana you are into. There are sadhanas in Sanandam that allow you to eat meat, right? Shat sadhanas. And you can go to the peak of those sadhanas while you're non-vegetarian. Yes, yes. But again, I feel it's again very subjective, very personal. Yes. If your body is giving you a signal to just stop eating meat, then listen to your body. Yeah. Right? Yeah. They always say, listen to your gut feeling.

Have you had a phase of better vupassana? As a complimentary vupassana to the Devi, yes. Understood. At the start of your journey was a better vupassana.

Not really. Okay. Not really. In that cave. But I have had the barovare energy right in front of me, walking and talking right in front of me, feeling and all that. Yeah. Yeah. You mean a bear of a peyote? Yes. Yes. Which bear? Um, call barov. Okay. Yeah. You've had a meeting with call barov. Yes. Where was this? Bangalore. Not once, not twice.

See, when you talk about meeting, it can happen in many, many forms, you see, in a Rupa, without Rupa, with just a smell, with just a sight of, it could be a millisecond whoosh from how you perceive it. And well, there are many, many ways. What's to do with you?

I remember this Kalashtami once, and it is almost midnight when my Guruji in his Digambar Avastar does the whole bhuja. What is Digambar Avastar? Burdhe suit? Okay. Yeah. He doesn't wear clothes. Anyway, so I remember sitting down with my legs folded and doing my own japa.

And all of a sudden I'm touched by something really cold, like a slab of ice. And I open my eyes and I see my Guruji at my feet. Can you imagine how that experience would be? Your revered Guru comes to you, bound down to you, touching your feet and asking for blessings. I can never forget that

sight and experience ever because I really had no idea what to do. Then he takes my both hands, put it on his head.

takes my blessings and goes out for the rest of his puja. I have experienced Bhairava in many, many, many ways. What was happening in that moment? The Bhairava energy was inside him. He was almost dead. When I say cold as an ice slab. Yeah, it is very different experience. It was a blessing for you. No, I can never forget that thing. In fact, I tried to ask and discuss this thing with him the next day.

because he keeps and observes man on those khalashtumis every time, every 15 days. So next day we're discussing this thing Guruji, Guru Nanathaji, that's how I... What was this all about? You know, you got me in a trap, I didn't know what to do, how to react. And well, then again, this is going to stay with me for quite some time because these answers were, you know, given me a different kind of perception as to

how deep this thing can go. You see, he says that before you can become a guru, you got to be a very good student. Unless you are, you can never become a guru guru. But why was he touching your feet? He saw guru in me. But the bear was in him. Yes. And the bear of saw... When the bear of sees you, he sees you as another bear of...

It doesn't see you as an viewer or you've Raj or anybody else. It's all about the sight you have. And this is after years of bear overpass. Yeah, of course. Okay. Yeah. You know, when you grow on the path towards the divine, you attract higher beings and lower beings. Yes, you do.

Right? Yes. Lower beings first. Lower beings first. Yes. How early? They're dying to get some energy. That is why they're in the lower realms. You mean pray, Peshaj? A lot. There are many, many.

Okay, you can keep going down the rabbit hole. There are many, many entities right down there and up there as well. But because of the fact that these guys are negative entities, they keep craving for energy. If you are into spiritual sadhana or something on those lines, you basically are accruing a lot of energy. So a few junku in the sense of creatures

will also come around you like snakes and a lot of these entities you're also going to find probably coming close to you and that is why when you're doing higher upasanas or sadhanas you basically use some sort of protection, kavacham, you do all that. When was the first time you came across an entity?

Many times. Was it after you met your guru? No, many times. Many many times even before that. Really? Yes. And why were they coming up to you? I have no idea. Are you talking about like teenage and childhood? Not teenage teenage per se, but in my very adult consciousness, I remember at least a few times. Scary little. Are you comfortable talking about it?

Yes, I would be comfortable. I mean, it's not like it's going to get me into any trouble, but I think a lot of people actually do also call it a sleep paralysis. You see, when you are down, you are in that semi-consciousness state. Your brain basically switches your body off to protect the body's physical safety. But this is how your science will describe it to you. But the entities,

there is no modern science which is going to do all the description for those entities. And are you perceived and feel? It is dark for sure. So not very happy to experience. So it's not like I remember good experiences also and many, many, many, many, right? And like I said, I miss some of those experiences because of my mistake. These experiences are not like something that you are looking forward to.

Yeah, let's put it this way. So what was the early experience? One of them I can describe as feeling extremely helpless when we were. But what entity was it? Have no idea. It was male-female. Can't say. Female most probably I would want to say. That's how I had felt the energy, but can't be sure. I mean, it was not a human body body, so it wouldn't be known. You could see something? Yeah, just out of periphery of how a body looks like smokey.

Gray. Yeah, yeah. And it interacted with you? Not verbally, but in the sense that you and I understand the talking, the telepathy source, but obviously no words. Did it harm you in any way? No, but feeling very helpless itself is a tacky feeling you don't want to be with. The harm is psychological. It's just the feeling of being helpless.

Can't do anything about it. That feeling itself is a very weird feeling. It gets you into a, I don't want to experience that again. There are helpless feelings in divine experiences also, but you don't want them to end. Even if that happens for a flick of a second, you would want or you would look forward to have them. They aren't really. You know by your gut feeling. Have you seen beings in the Himalayas? Yes.

Could other people see it? No, I was the only one in my cave that time. It was in a cave? Yes. Adevta? Yes. Okay. So, yeah, this is something I can, I think I can remember about the Nam Japa that you were talking about, and we were talking about it. This is the Maha Mantra. All right. So, apart from other practices that I was initiated into, when I was in Gungal III, I also continued doing my Mantra job.

And by then it had come down to 16 mallas every day. All right. So early in the morning, because of the fact that it is your body, your biological clock actually starts to work in a particular way that you get up at three. I at least used to get up at three, three, 30 max. And then do my morning things and sit down for your jumper. So after a couple of hours, when the thing is over, I am, I could sense that there is somebody sitting right adjacent to me. I could feel it.

I opened my eyes and I, for at least I think a couple of seconds, I could see a huge figure. I don't want to take, now because of the fact that I was doing the Ram Japa, think in your head, who would have been sitting right next to me? I think he's sitting next to you. Yes. Okay. What an experience it was. Yeah. These things you can never, ever take off your, they go with you. Hmm. Can I say it out loud?

Please. What did it feel like sensing Hanumanji that closely? Honestly, speaking that day, I had trouble deciphering as to was it really? Okay. Phone call Guruji, something like this happened early in the morning today. And he clearly without asking me any question. Yeah. This was this.

I'm like, ah, I never thought of it this way, but there was an inkling of that sort. Yeah, but right at that moment, I was not scared. It was a blissful feeling. Yeah, nothing more than that. Gangotri is a very mysterious place. You brought up Gangotri a lot. I mean, to my very close people, I say that if I was born twice, that is where my womb is.

I mean, I know that the Gangotri is the glacial. How do you even phrase this grammatically? Gangotri is where the temple is right now, from where it is said

The river Ganga becomes Ganga. Now, this glacier that you talk about basically is the Gomuk Glacier, which is about another 18 kilometers above Gungo 3. So, you go all the way hike in a couple of days. You've gone? Yes, in the origin point of the Ganga. What does it look like? Well, technically, it is not even the origin point of Ganga. Ganga actually comes from the glacier in the mountains of Tibet.

It just appears to us as it's coming out from a particular cave, because before that it is underground. So it basically comes out from what I understand, Lake Mansurova, and physically it appears to us that it's coming out as a stream from that particular cave.

Wow. What does it feel like at the Gomuk? It is all a wonderful experience. It would be very kiddish for me to even put it down in words. You are just in bliss. Have you been to Tibet? No. Not in at least a physical body. Bangalore is also a pretty blessed city. Actually, let's

not put it down city-wise as well. This Bharat-Bhu Kanda itself is, like my Guruji says, a lot of people would keep telling you this is the divine land, holy land, this that you may have heard about these faces. This is the real holy land, man. Where else would you have Shakti? Herself been cut down into 56 pieces and still underground, lives inside this Bhumi.

nowhere else you have Shakti pitas. We have live Jagrit, Shakti pitas and Shakti, the grid of Shakti here in Bharat. At least the continental Bharat. The continental Bharat. Yes. Versus what? What the geographical political map of Bharat today. Okay. Gotcha.

There are shaktipits in Pakistan, Afghanistan, Bangladesh, Myanmar, Bhutan. There are many many shaktipits all across. Are they still functional if that's the... There is one famous one, Ranveer. I'm sure you may know a little bit more about me on this. Hingla, Mata temple in Pakistan.

This is in Balochistan, by the way. And it's just still life. There are many Balochis who have converted or changed their faith to Islam right now. But there are many, many people who are actually keeping the whole traditional life, as well as they are the caretakers of the temple as well. Isn't it fantastic? But I think that is what Bhagavati wishes. Keep it alive. Okay. Okay, let's talk about Avaras and Kapalikas.

What is a Kapalika Sahab? Kapalika comes out of this world called Kapalu, which is your skull. Kapalika, agoras and all these, there are many other forms of sects or ways people follow to reach Shiva. They are all under the umbrella of Shiva. Shai Vachara, as they call in the Tantric terminology,

So, I remember my Guruji used to say, Ki, we are in the Nathaparampara and all the Agoris and Kapalikas, they come under our umbrella. We necessarily don't belong to Kapalikas or Agorasamparada.

I have had some very healthy interactions with agoris, some from Benares, some really good ones. You would never look at them and think even once they could be agoris in there earlier. I mean, general regular people like you and I, but I know their energies. I mean, you can just feel it.

These things can't be described in words. You have to really sit in front of them to feel that energy, the way I'm sitting in front of you, I'm feeling yours. And then you would never be able to tell and describe them in perfect words as to how it felt like. It is a very different aura around them.

At least the few that I have met in my life. You've met us at the Purush? Many. Many. Sit the Purush. What do you again? Before you asked your question, very calculatively think about who and who do we call a Siddha Purush? What does it mean by Siddha Purush or Siddha Myla? Why keep it gender specific, right? But who is a Siddha?

complete the deity resides inside the person. Master. Yeah. It's our Sanatani version of the enlightened one. Not really. I would not agree with it from my very humble understanding, Ranbir. I think we very lightly talk about this world called enlightenment.

What incense again is enlightenment means you are flooded with light. What is light? Don't we just say in every other religion that the supreme consciousness or the God up there, the absolute reality is made of light. Even in our own tradition, we say Shiva

As Prakashya and Shakti as Vimarshya, right? So it's a Prakash Vimarshya thing. That means that you are flooded with light, not every time that you get a particular Siddhi, you get that enlightenment. You get that mastery over that particular thing. Does that mean you are enlightened? No, you are a little more advanced in mastering those subtler aspects of life. Okay. Have you seen a showcase of Siddhi's?

Yeah. This is how you light your cigarette. I think it did that to me as well, because after that incident, when I go back to my ashram, and we're talking about it, right? So, Guru Nathaji, this was, you know, wasn't it fascinating? And then there are other things that we were also talking about, and this is right, right? He's like, yes. Of course it is fascinating, but is your goal just fascination? If it is, then yeah, go ahead.

But if it is not, then there are so many other mastery that you can actually. But this is again, drifting you from the goal of why you really started the whole thing. I can maybe earn a few bucks or impress you by lighting my cigarette like this. But more than that, I don't think this is really useful. We have 10 rupees lighter if you can buy in. We don't have to spend like a few years together to get this city. Does one lose something every time they showcase the city? From my own experience again, Ranveer, I thought

And I know for sure that showcasing anything out of your ego actually destroys your tapas, your sadhana or your energy that you have accrued from some time. It is never good to do that. If you have something, this will be again as your prarabha or as the cosmic wish or will, that it will come use to somebody else.

You do in it because you want to show it off. Are you a sadhak? Back to the land of the sadhaks when we were talking about Gangotri and the Himalayas in general and all the locations where the sadhus live together for lack of better words. The lower beings make their way up there as well. I have been told Ranveer that

Especially places like Kedarnath and Gungo 3, these two places are bereft of any lower beings or negative entities. I have never experienced it myself any which was Gungo flows through that. I mean, it is figuratively at least supposed to take all the negativities away from where it flows. Doesn't it carry all the dirt?

It cleans us from our own dirt. I don't think there's anything dirty which is there. I never felt it. Higher beings, yes. Yes, yes. I mean, Bhagavati has been very, very kind. Have you ever pondered upon your last birth? Pondered? I don't know about my last, but at least one of these birds I for sure know. I know.

Some are known. Yes. You're just carrying the bait in forward in this book. Yes. Everybody is. Are you trying to make this your final book? Not really. You're just carrying on with some. Yeah. See, the end game is to get free from the circle of karma and reaction.

how it comes back in your life in some other way, this life or other. If you really wanna focus on this, then you detach yourself from every other karma that you do. You're doing a podcast, great, but if you're doing it because of the passion or you really like to do it, that's is your gut feeling, you keep doing it. But as soon as you start to attach something else to what you're doing currently, then it starts to accrue that karma and every karma is gonna have the karma fall.

As long as you are in this particular cycle, you will keep coming to the same stage, because there is some desire which is still unfulfilled, and you are going to try to come back to the stage and perform that role. So this thing is going to keep like Vishnu, Yada, Yada, Yidharmasya. He is unfortunately or fortunately for whatever reason, he is bound by his own Vachan. And every time something bad happens in Prithwiloka, he has to.

He's bound by his own version. He comes down. He has to come down.

Does those things? So the goal is to get free from your karma and karma fall. Have you interacted with any wild animals while you're hiking up the hills? Trees trees that have seen a lot? Yes, stones. I remember very clearly again the stone at the Everest base camp, which had very different energy. I mean, I could just hug that stone.

for minutes together. I'm not gonna say hours because staying there for a few minutes itself is like dying almost every day. Every time, but this stone was very different. Kedarnath, that stone is very different. Nothing is not Shiva. Sometimes when you're traveling in the hills, you reach these spots that just feel a lot more divine than normal. And you'll probably see a large stone in those spots and you might be drawn to one of those stones.

And then if you truly look at it closely, you realize that that stone has probably seen the dinosaurs as well. Yeah. If you think that deep, yes, you would. It's about the perception, Ranveer. You may as well feel that death when you're looking at the particular stone. I may feel it in a different way. Somebody else may as well see. I mean, it's the perception that makes how real it feels to you and what it makes you feel like.

Do you want to talk about the Nagas at all? Naga culture, still surviving. I've never heard the two words together. Kashmir is, they call the land of Nagas. If you still open the map of Kashmir, the political map, you will see how many cities are still named as their suffix are Naga. Anant Nag, have you heard? Very Nag, have you heard? These are very popular cities in Kashmir.

They have a huge, I mean, as per the legends Kashmir at one point of time was the city was the place of Nagas in that particular lake which at in the ancient times was called Satissar. What are Nagas? I got two answers for your envy. All right. One obviously you know what I'm going to talk about. Nagas are some beings which are way more advanced than Homo sapiens at one point of time. They also

Flourishing on this particular planet. They still are. You and I can't probably reach out to them. Let's put it this way. You and I can't even reach out to, let's say, Donald Trump right now. Yeah. Or blue whales. Blue whales, or girls. Lots. You see, you and I have access to limited things. And we don't have access to those beings right now currently in this form. But if you want to invoke them, yes.

Second are Nagas, which are the human tribes who have learned enough from those ancient beings and started to develop a cult, became a civilization later down the line, and they followed a lot from their so-called divine beings. So they become a tribe and become a civilization.

Kashmir has been like that. A lot of influence from Nagakulture. Before, I would say, the yagya and rituals and Vedic Puja and other deities start to infiltrate into the Kashmir Valley, which is about seven, eight thousand years back.

So Kashmir has a huge Nagar cult. I have a lot of shitty friends. A lot of Canadian governments, they all take their Nagapujas very seriously. And I know for a fact that in the southern part of our country, Nagaborship is still relevant, popular.

It's popular to the extent where most families will do it if they are Sanatani. We've heard of Nagaland and even names have power. There's got to be some connection there. Nagaland is mostly a tribal culture. I also know that the tribal forms of Tantra are also extremely powerful. Yes, because they are less corrupted.

Hmm. Yeah. The lineage actually is less unbroken in the tribal cultures. Yeah. You know, you spoke about the human tribes that have adopted Nagaga. Yes. I'm sure Nagaland was a part of that. Could be. Possibly. Could be. Okay. But let's talk about Kashmir. So you're seeing there are indigenous Kashmiri tribes that have learned from the Nagas and are still practicing? Yes.

I mean, those indigenous Kashmiri tribes that you talk about are the people of Kashmir today. I mean, this is thousands and thousands of years of, you know, evolution into what they've become today. Despite changing their faith systems or rituals or something, there's still a reminiscence of something from the ancient Nagakulture, even in today's life. The way the Kashmiri woman, Kashmiri woman, would braid her hair.

Check that out. It's fantastic. The way a lot of that thing is still surviving and you can see that in regular lifestyle of Kashmiris. I mean, what does generations of Naga worship do to people? You know, this is something I'm personally sharing this thing with you and I used to wonder.

We spoke of perception as to how we see the world. What would a naga perception be? Imagine yourself being a snake. Would you see Ranveer the way I look at it? You would be a whole different entity. And this whole room will be very different if I look at it from a cat's eye.

So, when you talk about any particular animal, let's say naga in this particular sense, imagine yourself being so close to that particular animal that you imbibe their qualities and attributes, which is what? Which is the senses, the naga senses, in terms of vision, in terms of intuition, in terms of being, you know, in solitude. But when we're talking about naga practice, this is also mantra based.

I wouldn't know if there were mantras back then. Mantras come from Vedas and Agamas. Right. But this is from, again, from a very limited and humble understanding of how things were in the historic Kashmir. This is predating all these things.

the naga worship that happens in Karnataka. I believe that's centered around mantras, but maybe the mantras that they developed only encapsulated the same energy which was being utilized in the times that preceded the time of mantras. Yeah, you're right actually. It's the same way with all the Vedic rituals. You see, a lot of Vedic rituals that we do today, like even the Prana Pratishta,

is a tantric practice, which is done in a Vedic way. It's just that the mantras are encoded versions of bags of energy. There are other ways to get to those bags of energy, but mantras are what the modern humans and Anthony mind can understand. I would say slightly different.

Let's understand mantras are as the manifestations of the similar devtha in the energy form of a sound. Gotcha. That's their energy body in terms of sound. Let's put it this way. The devtha is the mantra. Yes. As Rajasini and they also keep saying, yes. You spoke about the nagas still being one-out? Yes.

They're still here. Yes. Do you think they have interactions with the snakes that we see around? Yes. There is some connection between the snakes. Yes. Not talking, talking, but, or hi, hello, how are you doing, sweetie, but in their own very subtle energy forms. Have you ever, this is a question I hope you don't mind me asking, but when you are in your, where do you, when you sit down for your sadhana or if you're, if you have been through any Anushthana, have you encountered

a reptilian around ever. Lots of lizards, lizards, because you're doing it in a protected city environment, I guess. Is that why? Almost all the times when you're sitting for a long hours and when you have a certain upsurge of energy inside you, you will definitely find a reptilian just around.

Definitely. If your eyes closed, you would still sense it. Otherwise, there will be a round. You just name anybody. You mean like a snake? Yes. You mean anything other than a snake? No, reptilian means a snake. Most in most cases will be a hooded snake, a cobra, but a snake for sure.

I am at one point of time was not scared, but we are urban people, right? We are not accustomed to seeing snakes and things in our flats or apartments. So I used to be like, come at one point of time, but slowly and gradually, as in when you're sadhana and you're

time that you invest in your sadhana increases, your energy levels are also at a high. I think you slowly and gradually start to build that connection with the reptilians also. Some way that fear or that animosity, it just dies off. There is a snake inside you also and inside all of us.

You know what I'm talking about, right? Yes. Slowly and gradually you will become, if not friendly, but that animosity is definitely going to die off if you are progressing in your sadhana. But a snake, especially a hooded one will always be around if you are in your deepest of meditation or if you're doing something which is ritualistic nature.

But they will be around for sure to protect you. Yes. Also to feed on from the energy that you generate. Because even they're evolving. Yes. Everybody has to.

Everything is just Shiva, like we spoke in the beginning, and everything which is sentient is trying to go back to the same source. So evolution is a de facto thing for almost everything which is sentient. It is growing from whatever level it is to the next milestone. I think that's the end of the broadcast. Always listen to your gut feeling. Fully blank. There's nothing left.

Great talking to you, man. Thank you for your time. Always appreciated you, Vipaji. No, I appreciate that. Before this podcast began, I was meditating to kind of re-energize myself. I had a very elaborate shoot in the morning as well.

It's got an intuition that this particular shoot is coming as a blessing to the channel. So that's what I'm flowing with. May Bhagavati be kind to almost everyone who are present to you. Yeah. Yeah. So thank you. Appreciate it, mamam. And do you remember me calling you mamam? Yeah. Bhagavati Kalyan Karyan. Alakadeesh. Alakniranjan. Alakniranjan.

That was the episode for today. Ladies and gentlemen, we'll link your Rajbhai's handles down below. Please go check them out. Always looking for more guests related to Tantra oriented topics. So send in your guest suggestions. And until next time, guys, Bhurranvir and the team. Lots of love. Harar. Mahadev.