SC EP:1120 Police Officer Encounters Sasquatch

I wanted to take a moment to kind of wish everyone a Happy New Year and thank you so much for taking the time to listen to this knucklehead weekend and week out and you know as a way to say thank you for listening and Happy New Year I thought I would open up all the shows this weekend to the public

And I will return next week. The schedule will return next week. But this is my way of saying Happy New Year. And hopefully this new year will bring us good things. In this intro of this show, the first 27 minutes, I'm covering something I think is very important and everyone should hear. But if you want to go straight to the encounter, skip ahead to about the 27-minute mark. Again, Happy New Year and thank you so much for listening.

It looked like somebody was bent over and had their head in the window of the deer blind. And it either heard me or smelled me. And he pulled his head out of the tent and stood straight up. And that shocked me. They don't make people that big. The way it moved.

Almost as if it was gliding across the beach. I've never seen anything move like that in my life. They were screaming at each other in gibberish. It sounded like a language and they were chunking away back and forwards, back and forwards, back and forwards. I know what a bear looks like and there is no way on this planet but what I saw bears.

What are you reporting? Jesus Christ, you better see us. Hello. Get somebody out here. What's going on now, sir? I saw him a bit just about six foot nine. I don't know. Do you see him now, sir? Yes, the broker right there. Uh-oh.

Hi, I'm Becky. And I'm Mercedes. We're looking for a guy with big feet, six, eight, brown eyes, always hides. We found him on our favorite podcast. Woo! SaaS watch finals!

Welcome to the show everyone. Thanks for being here tonight. Got a great show planned for you. We'll be chatting with Paul and Paul comes to us from Louisiana. He's actually a police officer down there. He has two encounters he's going to go into tonight. The second encounter he actually saw the creature and all kind of let Paul go into it.

If you've had an encounter and you'd like to be on the show, shoot me an email. My email address is west at sasquatchcoronicals.com. And forgive my voice, I was up most of the night coughing, still trying to get over the stupid cold, kind of feel miserable, but I'm here. You know, as I was laying in bed last night, there's a show I actually like, Sean Ryan's show on YouTube, and Sean is a former Navy SEAL.

And the gentleman he had on Sam Shoemate, he's actually a former intelligence officer and he was a chief warrant officer in the US Army. And the thing that's interesting about Sam is, you know, being former intelligence officer, former military, he runs an Instagram account and he's been known in the past to kind of

Kind of take whistleblower's information and post it to the public, stuff he could research and really find out that was true. And he got this email from a gentleman by the name of Matthew Leibelsberger. And we all know who that is. That's a guy who was in the Tesla truck that blew up in front of Trump Tower in Las Vegas. But the email, here's kind of a quick outline. And then I'll play the clip from the show.

Basically, what Matthew was telling Sam, he was a whistleblower on war crimes in Afghanistan that were covered up in 2019. And we know Matthew was a green beret. He also said that China is stalking the United States with weaponized drones, advanced drones that are launched from Chinese submarines off the East Coast.

He said the drones that are flying over New Jersey are fast, stealthy weapons with advanced proportional systems. The drones are well armed and can attack the US from anywhere. They have an advanced payload capacity and he called it our greatest national security threat that we're facing right now. He said the entire East Coast is in danger from these drones.

And in this email he talks about being followed by the FBI, but let's get into the actual email. I'll start off with Sam talking about how he came across this communication with Matthew.

Tell me how you got the email. All right, so for context, I've run this account for the last four and a half years. There have been people in and out writing articles and different stuff and just investigations, some big, some small, just trying to keep accountability in the military, but develops.

a robust network within the military, all branches, and people feed into this and send me messages in here and there, nothing ever like this has ever come in. But I get a, I get a, well, it started off as comments. So when you have a big Instagram account, you're going to miss a lot of messages because people message, you know, go to hidden messages and everything else, you miss a lot of stuff.

Well, I kept seeing this comment on recent posts that I put in there and it was from this burner account that said, hey, check your DMs, check your DMs, check your DMs. So I go in there and try to find it. There's no message from this guy, hadn't come through or whatever. And then he messages again once that message was opened up. And I said, hey, your previous messages haven't come through. What? What do you want to tell me? And he said, well, I'm going to send you. Now, these are literally his words. What I'm going to send you is going to change the course of humanity. That was his phrase, change the course of humanity.

Okay, a little bit dramatic. I get those messages all the time. People have this big story they want to tell. They want to expose their command, whatever it's. I take everything with the grain of salt until I have evidence and proof. So this guy is insistent. He tells me he tells me that he is a 18 Zulu who I've spoken to before and.

He really needs to get this stuff to me. And then he talks about you. He says, I need you to get me in contact with Sean Ryan. I'm like, dude, I don't know Sean Ryan. I'm not that big, but he's insistent that I get him diverted to media sources, says go to Fox News, wherever Allison says, all right, tell me what you got. So I give him my proton email account, give him my signal, signal number.

And he reaches out immediately and I'm going to read this initial message for you because this doesn't have names or anything else on it. But this was his message on Sunday. He reached out and said, like I said, Sunday, this last Sunday said, sending with a VPN active on Wi-Fi only. Do not message me. I will send out updates via both signal and email. But trust me, you're going to want to be involved. Well, first of all, no, I don't, I didn't want to be involved.

Anyways. And then, so I didn't message. I responded back to his original Instagram message and I said, hey, I got your message on proton mail and he said, cool, delete this. So I deleted it. That's how I ended up getting this message on Tuesday. So the message that this this right here, this manifesto, if you want to call it that came in on Tuesday. And when I started reading this,

My initial take was, okay, this is off the deep end, it's bonkers. I can't validate or verify any of the stuff in this manifesto. And I told him that in a subsequent email. And I'll read that to you later, my response to him. And once again, my response to him elicited, hey, get me in contact with Sean Ryan, Fox News, and even said Pete Haggseth, give me in contact with Haggseth. And I'm like, dude, I don't have the incoming secretary of defense's phone number. Sorry, bro.

That's the last time I talked to him. So yesterday morning, what date was that? That was Tuesday. That was this Tuesday. So we're Friday now. That was three days ago. So the day before the attack.

I just missed the stuff out of hand. The 31st was on the 31st. Yes. In fact, I posted something on my... I told you a producer about this as well. But this was a post I made on Twitter. I was just trying to be humorous off the cuff. It didn't mean anything about it. I was just being humorous for my audience. I said, my inbox was especially eventful today.

allegations of war crimes, government anti-gravity technology and fears about being tracked and watched by the feds. It's always the world is ending and I have this information that needs to get to the media and never, how are you doing brother? Everything all right? I was just playing off of a meme. It was just supposed to be a joke. That was the body of his email that he sent me.

And I didn't think anything about it. I didn't know who Matt Berg was, Matt Livelsburg or anything else. He told me who he was in the email. He pointed me to his LinkedIn account. I didn't know any of this stuff. And I was just kind of being humorous with my audience. Like, I get these crazy messages sometime. And then the day after that message, I wake up and my body was like, Hey, Sam, nobody in the community seems to know this guy. Do you happen to know who he is? And I played that for you before we came up here. Just absolute shock. That's how it woke up. Yes. Do you want to play it now?

Excuse my language. I'm in a military group chat, buddy, Green Berea, Corey. He says, at Sam, nobody I've asked in the community knows him. He said, 846 AM yesterday. So I woke up and I said, oh, I'm shaking. This guy emailed me two days ago. I'm not playing. And then he said, damn. And then this was my response to him at 848. Like, just woke up.

And this guy emailed me and told me he was being watched by the FBI and Homeland Security. But they weren't going to do anything to him because he had a v-bed. I'm not playing, dude. I have the email. I am shaking, man. This is nuts. I sat there probably an hour talking to my wife. I'm shaking. I can't even think straight. Like normal day is shot. And I didn't know what I wanted to do. Do I sit on this? Do I do nothing with it?

I've got to tell somebody, I've got to tell the FBI at least because this is huge, this is all over the news. So this email came in on December 31st at 1042 a.m. at his Tuesday.

He said, in case I do not make it to my decision point or onto the Mexico border, I am sending this now. Please do not release this until 1 January and keep my identity private until then. First off, I am not under duress or hostile influence or control. My first car was a 2006 Black Ford Mustang V6 for verification.

What we have been seeing with drones, he puts that in quotes, he says, drones, is the operational use of gravitic propulsion systems powered aircraft by most recently China in the East Coast, but throughout history of the US. Only we in China have this capability. Our opsin, that's operation center, our opsin location for this activity is in the box below.

China has been launching them from the Atlantic from submarines for years, but this activity recently has picked up. As of now, it is just a show of force and they are using it similar to how they use the balloon for SIGINT and ISR, which are also part of the integrated comm system. There are dozens of those balloons in the air at any given time.

The so what is because of the speed and stealth of these unmanned aircraft. They are the most dangerous threat to national security that has ever existed. They basically have an unlimited payload capacity and can park it over the White House if they wanted. It's checkmate. U.S. government needs to give the history of this, how we are employing it and weaponizing it, how China is employing them and what they and what the way forward is. China is poised to attack anywhere in the East Coast.

I've been followed for over a week now from likely homeland or FBI and they are looking to move on me and are unlikely going to let me cross into Mexico, but won't because they know I am armed and I have a massive v-bid.

We pause right there for a second. So he says a massive V-Bid. When I was talking to the FBI yesterday, they didn't know what a V-Bid was. I had to explain what that acronym meant. Literally, you ****** dead serious. I said it twice and he goes, you said that word V-Bid. Can you tell me what that is? For your audience, a V-Bid, for your audience who has not been in the guat for the last 20 years, a V-Bid is a vehicle-borne improvised explosive device in layman's terms, a car bomb, what we saw at Trump Tower. So,

backing up, he says, I am armed and have a massive v-bid. I've been trying to maintain a very visible profile and have kept my phone and they are definitely digitally tracking me.

Here's where it gets into the other stuff. And this is where we had to redact the names. Well, you're a producer, redact the names. I have knowledge of this program and also war crimes that were covered up during airstrikes in Nimru's province, Afghanistan in 2019 by the admin, DOD, DEA, and CIA. I conducted targeting for these strikes of over 125 buildings. 65 were struck because of Civcast, that civilian casualties that killed hundreds of civilians in a single day.

U.S. FOREA continued strikes after spotting civilians on initial ISR. It was supposed to take six minutes and scramble all aircraft and CENTCOM. The UN basically called these war crimes, but the administration made them disappear. I was part of that cover up with U.S. FOREA, an agent redacted of the DEA. So I don't know if my abduction attempt is related to either. I worked with redacted I.O. staff on this as well as the response to Bala Mregab.

redacted commander at the time, redacted, can validate this. You need to elevate this to the media so we avoid a world war because this is a mutually assured destruction situation. Then he says, for vetting, my LinkedIn is Matt Berg or Matthew Livelsberger, an active duty 18 Zulu out of 110, let's first battalion 10 Special Forces group. My profile is public. I have an active TSSCI with UAP, USAP access.

What is USAP? Do you know what that is? I don't know what that is. But I checked his credentials on LinkedIn. So that was the first thing I did. I went to his LinkedIn page. First thing I noticed was all of his bonus feeds were in place. He has all the UAS training from the use of SOC and everything else. And so I said, OK, at least the guy knows what he's talking about with drones. That was a very rough.

dig into the guy. But my issue was I couldn't validate or verify any of this information. And I told him that. And how I responded to him was in a subsequent email, I said,

I said, this is obviously a very big deal, but I don't have anything to verify this information with. Talking about gravitic propulsion systems without evidence just makes me another UFO talking head. Like, I'm not going to go on my social media page and start talking about UFOs and anti-gravity systems. I don't know what you're talking about. I can't. And he said, can I get on Fox News contact on Signal as well as Sean Show? Heg Seth would be good too. That was his last message to me.

Wow. You know, the thing is, what is a gravitic propulsion system? To be honest with you, it is a fancy term you're going to find in science fiction. You won't find it in any... As far as I know, you won't find this in any kind of official

manual or, you know, scientific research. This is all science fiction. So, but what struck me is his use, what strikes me now, not then, but what strikes me now is his use of a very specific term that nobody else call it. If you asked me, I would say an anti-gravity propulsion system. That's how I would describe it because I don't know this stuff. He said, gravitic propulsion system.

We looked that up last night, too, and all we could find out was, was same thing, science fiction type stuff. But, you know, there are some things to line up. One is, like I had mentioned, well, let's talk about the guy's story. Obviously, he had a PBID.

Obviously, he was in the military and served. And the thing that he was talking about in 2019, we pulled a report. This is from October 9, 2019. UN report fined alleged drug facilities were not lawful target airstrikes and caused significant civilian casualties.

The United Nations Special Report, which examines the impact on civilians of the United States airstrikes on alleged drug processing facilities on 5 May 2019 in Afghanistan determines the operation caused a large number of civilian casualties. The report also examines the legal framework of applicable to this incident. In June 2019, the UN Assistance Mission in Afghanistan, together with representatives of the Afghan

of the Afghanistan Independent Human Rights Commission conducted a site visit to areas impacted by the strikes and for our province, Bakwa District, as part of its extensive fact-finding into the five-May incident.

The UN verified 39 civilian casualties, among them 14 children, one woman, from multiple airstrikes on more than 60 sites that the United States, Afghanistan, identified as drug production facilities in Bakwa district and in parts of neighboring Deliram district of Nimra's province.

Moreover, the UN is working to verify credible credible reports of at least 37 additional civilian casualties, the majority of whom were women and children. Although airstrikes on the alleged drug processing facilities had taken place before, this was the first time that UNMA had received reports of large number of civilian casualties resulting from such an operation. You know, that's really disturbing.

It's kind of amazing how shady the government's been about these drones as far as giving us a real answer. And one thing that they said is if a drone crashes, don't approach it, call us, we'll come take care of it. Well, if they're drones, why would you be worried about if they crash? Don't touch them, don't approach them. And I'll play this very last clip and then we'll get into the show. Thank you guys so much for bearing with me on this.

Sean says something at the very end of this interview. He's a host of the show again. Sean is the Navy SEAL. That kind of shocked me. Well, unfamiliar. All right. So I'm saying this with you can you can decide to use this or cut it out. There was there was a this is this is hard to work with because keep in mind, let me give some background on this. I'm going to tell you it's analyst and I've spent

along many years, validating sources, taking information in, putting it back out, telling my humanters, hey, this source, this is valid. Let's give him a rating of this, do this, this, this recommendation. So we can identify good sources in the field that give us information and we can say, yes, this is an A source versus an F6. This is just garbage. Somebody got paid for something.

I still work in intelligence. I'm an intelligence officer. I work for a nonprofit. We remnant ministries out of Texas. In fact, the website is in my bio on X. I work with Dr. I work for Dr. Pete Chambers, Greenbury. And we were involved in counter human trafficking along with just providing ministry to

all kinds of stuff, border operations. Most recently, we've been involved in West North Carolina, a great deal. And we had some confirmed reporting through two solid sources.

And this is where I have to be very iffy. And I told him in the car, and he can tell you offline, I cannot say this on the air. But we had two solid sources, one south of the border, and then one from an element within our own government that confirmed independently of each other that some Iranian-made manpads to surface their missiles had come across the border. We had the location and everything else. Well,

Doc, that's what he goes by. Doc Chambers, he put this out on a podcast, and I was very emphatic. This is not stuff that I like to put on social media. I'm an intel guy. By trade, this stuff is not for social media consumption. We got this to Secret Service. We did the whole gaming and got everything pushed to them, and that's why Trump was pushing a lot of this stuff out when he was, because we had told the Secret Service, and they had the reporting and everything else. But we have not, to my knowledge, have not recovered those manpads. I'm not.

I'm not privy to that, but what I do know we have done is we have apprehended the couriers on a second run of theirs and we have local law enforcement got together with federal law enforcement and rolled up the safe house and we'll not say that on this show, but they rolled up the safe house where it was. And we have since identified what that issue was on the border. Let me just, where did they come through?

They came through an actual point of entry in a legal point of entry along the border. I'd have to pull up the original reporting, but we had the actual. So we now have Iranian missiles.

Who knows how many? And inside the United States. That is not something you're going to see in a lot of places. Like I said, I didn't even want to talk about it. It was one of those things where I was just amplifying what he was putting out already because I was like, man, I don't know about putting this out. But it was something we found was pertinent because at the time,

Trump was still campaigning. He was flying around, and the reports were, their intent was to take down Trump's airplane. So at the time, Secret Service switched things up a bit, and allegedly, from what I've told, they started flying him around on charters for a while until they could identify and kind of mitigate that threat. But that was the reporting stream that was coming out of the time. Fed's handled it off my plate.

You know, I mean, I'm with you on the not releasing certain things on social media. I understand that. But on the other way, on the other hand, it seems to be the only way to demand any type of accountability or get this and force.

FBI, Homeland, whoever else is involved to dive into this shit and actually take part. And that's what we've been doing here on the show with Scott Mann, retired Lieutenant Colonel Greenbury, Sarah Adams, former agency targetter. We brought on legend who's an army intelligence guy who goes by legend because he doesn't want to reveal his name because he still

is very involved, and we even went all the way to Vienna to interview Commander Masood, the leader of the National Resistance Front in Afghanistan.

You know, we've been talking about this stuff for a year, a year. We got it to Congress, Congressmen out of Knoxville, Tennessee, Tim Burchard, sent a bill up. It's literally about we need to stop funding the Taliban $40 to $87 million a week. The Taliban has set up multiple NGOs within Afghanistan.

And basically what we're doing is sending loads of cash to NGOs that the Taliban had set up were funding our own demise. And nobody's paying attention. Nobody's paying attention. We tried to get it in the media. We got a little bit of hits. Most of them were from outside the US. We had a reporter out of India, kind of cover it.

We've been warning about what's happening for damn near a year now. Sarah first came on, I believe it was October of 2023, was our first interview. And nobody took it seriously. Now we have the New Orleans attack, we have Iranian missiles, we have these invisible bombs. Do you know about the invisible bombs?

So now that now these terrorist organizations have developed invisible bombs that will get through metal detectors, any kind of screening device that's out there and they brag about this. And now we just did a Twitter spaces with Sarah Adams and they are now bragging that

that what we know about the invisible bomb, it's now even more advanced than it was before. So that means they can get this into stadiums, they can get this into airports, they can get this pretty much anywhere they want because you cannot detect it. That's scary. Yeah, great. So, you know, for the people out there, you know, but there's no stopping what's here.

We cannot stop this. Nope, you can't roll back now with what we have the bottle already in here. We have sleeper cells. We're already getting reports that I just lost my train of thought. Oh, we're already getting some reports that there may be a bit more involved in the Louisiana New Orleans attack that they're not releasing. We also I'll tell you this. There's a group of people flying around and

and basically briefing up different departments, governors about what's coming, how to deal with it in their communities. There are deputies in New Orleans who put in requests for training on how to take care of a threat like this. And those requests were denied. They were denied. And so what I basically want to say is it's going to be a bloody 2025. I think that's very obvious.

There you go. What do you guys think about that? Please comment below. Let me know your thoughts on that. Forgive me for the long intro, but I thought it was kind of important to play. Scary stuff, for sure. Let's jump into it tonight. I want to welcome Paul to the show. Paul, thanks for coming on. Thanks Wes. I appreciate you having me.

Yeah, and I know that we're gonna talk about two encounters tonight. The first one happened in 2019 in Louisiana. If you would, just kind of start from the beginning. What were you doing and what happened?

So yeah, the first incident was on June 1st of 2019. I was with my six and a half year old son, and we were going on a camping trip out to Kasashi National Forest. And for those that don't know, that's east side of Louisiana bordering on Texas, it's a huge, huge national forest.

So we were meeting a better mine out there and we were going to do some camping for the weekend. We've done this probably five or six times over a few years. We used it a couple of times a year. We would meet out there and just do some camping. I do some off-roading and through the forest out there and hiking, things like that.

That's what we were planning on doing. I met him out there on Friday afternoon and we set up camp. We weren't really in a camping location per se. We were just in a spot we stayed at. Probably this was the third time we stayed at this little spot. It was just a clearing in the forest up on a bluff.

And, you know, good ways off of a kind of remote fire road. So it was just like a little spot. We'd never seen anybody else out there in all the times we've been. And it was just a nice flat area to do some camping and just hanging out. So we met out there on Friday, set up camp.

Can't hang out around the fire for a while, had some sandwiches, things like that. And then slept Friday night, didn't see anything, hear anything unusual, just the normal sounds of the woods. So next morning, we got up, cooked some breakfast, and then we kind of took off.

his camping set up he's got a forerunner just like i did and he had a rooftop tent on his so they stay on top of the vehicle uh we were in a ground tent um so he picked up his tent and i left all of my stuff set up like i've done before and uh just kind of picked everything up but put everything in the tent and just went off for the day get some hike in uh get some off-roading on some trails out there

And we made it back to the camp. It was probably a couple hours before dark and made a fire and we decided we were going to cook that night. So we did a full taco spread, cooked dinner, had s'mores, did all the typical camping stuff.

I said, my son, he was six and a half at the time. And, you know, he liked doing all that stuff. We played in the woods right around the little clearing area right there. We just hung out, hung out until dark. It was probably eight, nine o'clock.

Maybe a little later, and we decided kind of we were all going to turn in. So he went to his little camping area, and we went in our tent, and we were probably separated by, I don't know, 40, 50 yards or so, relatively close, but not on top of each other. And I went in the tent. My son wanted to watch a movie, so we had my iPad. So we just kind of hung out in the tent, watched a movie, and at some point he fell asleep.

So I went and picked everything up and, you know, went and put the iPad and everything in the truck. There's no cell service out there. So I just left my phone and the iPad and the truck and kind of went back in the tent and kind of settled in for the evening and just kind of laid there here in the south. It was hot in June. So took my pants off, took my shirt off and just kind of got settled in. And, um,

It's about that time I realized that I didn't have my rifle with me. I'm law enforcement, so I go everywhere pretty heavily armed. So I had my pistol with me, but I also carried a short barrel 300 blackout rifle.

And I left it in the case in the truck and was like, you know, nothing ever happens out here. So wasn't really worried about it. I didn't want to put on clothes and go get it and things like that. So just kind of laid down there. And we kind of settled in for the evening. And I don't really know what time it was because like I said, I didn't have my phone, but I'm thinking it was probably midnight, 1230 about that time.

I just kind of lay in there and got almost drifting off to sleep and then just like something came over me. It was just an eerie silence. Like there was no noise outside. Crickets, birds, nothing. Nothing stirring around. It was just a really eerie silence. It was just shortly after that, man. I was like on high alert and I was thinking, wow, I really wish I had my rifle right now.

And started hearing something coming through the forest. Toward the backside of our camp, it drops down into like a little bluff area there. And I was hearing something from that way, and it was getting louder and louder. It wasn't like crashing through the forest, but it wasn't your typical raccoon or, you know, armadilla noise. It was something sizable.

So that worried me a little bit and the eerie silence kind of had me on alarm. We have black bears here would be the biggest thing that, you know, we would have around here and all the time I spent out in the woods there and everywhere else never, never ran across a black bear.

So I was kind of what I'm thinking. I'm like, maybe it's a deer. Maybe it's a bear. You know, I'm not really sure they are. So just, so just kind of lay in there and it was about, it was getting louder, getting louder. And it was about that time I heard a huge pop like a crack. Kind of like, I don't know if you're, you know, you've spent a lot of times in the wood west, like, you know, trying to be quiet. You step on that stick and it makes that huge breaking noise. You know what I'm talking about?

Oh yeah, I've done it many times, and it's usually when I'm hunting. I'm like, ah, absolutely always, always the case. Um, so that happened and it was loud. So whatever it was was a big piece of wood. Um, and then everything went quiet, whatever was moving, stopped moving, you know, and like same thing you would do in the woods. Once that happens, you stop like, oh crap.

And it was probably a good, I don't know, it was hard to tell, five minutes or so that everything was quiet again, no movement. And then slowly, you know, I started hearing movement again. And I can tell whatever it was was coming up, you know, the area where we were. And again, my mind completely went back to I don't have my rifle. All I had was my nine millimeter, one mag, so 16 rounds.

So I reach over, I grab my pistol, unholstered it, and I kind of lay it across my chest with my hand on it, and I'm just laying there. So I thought about setting the alarm off on my truck.

But I didn't want to make any noise. So I'm reaching around, I can't find where I put my pants, my keys were in my pants. So I couldn't find them because I was going to set the panning button off and see if that scared whatever it was away. Couldn't find it, but I didn't want to get up. I didn't want, I didn't have my phone there. We had a light, we had a lantern in the tent. But I didn't want to turn that on. So I just didn't want to attract any extra attention.

So just kind of laid there, and it kept getting closer and closer. And the closer it get, the, not necessarily the louder anything was, but you could feel the footsteps. And it was no doubt this was not a bear, it was not a deer, it was something on two feet.

I'm thinking, what guy or whatever would be in the forest this late at night and then sneaking up on a camp? It's the south, everybody's armed. So I'm just thinking, man, this guy's crazy. Started to kind of holler out, but again, just didn't want to attract any attention. So just kind of laying there. And the footsteps get louder and louder. And then you could feel him getting heavy.

And again, whatever it was, definitely two feet. You could just feel the footsteps. You know, I don't mean that by, you know, the ground was shaking or anything like that, because it wasn't. But if you just feel the percussion of the steps, and at this point, it is pretty close to being on top of the tent.

And so again, I'm with my kid. Our friends were over 50 yards or so, but I have a six-year-old in a tent with me. And all I have is my pistol. And I can hear whatever it is. It's like now at the point, it's coming up on the back side of the tent and coming down the side of the tent. And you can hear it right there.

And it would pause for a minute and then it would take another couple of steps. And this is a big tent. So it was, I guess it was a six man tent. So it was one that you could put a divider up inside, you know, seven, seven and a half foot tall. You could stand up in it, no problem. So you could just feel it coming down the side of the tent and, you know, just lay in there, you know, thinking, whatever this is is huge. You could just feel the footsteps.

It made no noise other than the footsteps. If there was an odor in the air, but nothing, you know, I've heard people describe kind of like a putrid smell or something like that. And I didn't get that. I got, you know, maybe just a stale smell, you know, wet dog type deal, maybe skunk type smell, but it wasn't super strong. But again, I'm thinking there's no way this is a man.

And as it comes closer and closer, you know, I'm just, God, man, I'm freaking out. You know, I hear it in my voice now. It's just, this encounter was just crazy. It was just, you know, again, I think it was just being with my son in the tent and only having my pistol. And I'm thinking, like, whatever this is, I don't think I have enough ammo. I don't have enough gun for whatever this is.

And it just kept going. It went down the side of the tent. And then it went on the other side, kind of where our heads would have been. And it kind of walked off away from the tent. And I don't know if it went maybe. My truck was that way. So I don't know if it went to check out the truck. But immediately, I could hear it coming back. And it came toward the other side of the tent and started walking back the other way. So it may almost like a loop around the tent.

And it was at this point, something it touched the top of the tent. You know, the fabric of a tent, it's not a canvas, but it's that, you know, plastic type, you could hear it and you could feel it. And as it walked down, it was dragging what I can only assume as a hand or a finger across the top of this tent.

And that just completely freaked me out, man. You know, where it was at the top of the roof, seven foot up, there was no way an animal could be doing that. Absolutely no way. And I'm thinking this cannot be a person.

Because it's huge, whatever it is, there's no light, there's no light in the tent, there's not much light outside, so there's no shadows, so the only sense of size I had was the heavy footsteps. And it's dragging, it completely walked the length of the tent, dragging something, its arm, its hand down the side of the tent.

And the only thing I can think of is please, please don't let my son wake up because he's going to make noise. If he wakes up, he's going to make noise. You know, it crossed my mind to fire some shots. It did. But again, I was thinking, I don't think a 9 millimeter is enough for whatever this is. You know, because even if a big black bear and 9 millimeter is not really enough,

They just killed the black bear close to here this year that was 700 pounds. So, you know, even then, I'm like, I don't think I'm 9 millimeters enough. So, you know, I thought, I'm like, okay, this is, if whatever tries to get in here, that's the only reason I'm going to use the gun.

So if it tried to come in, then I was just going to, you know, magnum it and hope for the best. But it walked down the length of the tent and touched the tent the entire way down. And I stood there for a minute. It would stop for a second or two. And again, there was almost no noise other than the footsteps.

Probably two or three, almost like hoofs. Like I don't even know how to describe it, but like a heavy exhale or just a... Probably I got that maybe three times or so. And that was it. It made no other noise. I couldn't hear anything else anywhere else. As it got to the end of the tent,

You can hear it walk and it walked down that bluff again. This time it wasn't like trying to sneak up. It sounded like it was moving with a purpose here. It hit the woods and you can hear it going through the woods for, I don't know, seems like 50, 75 yards. You can hear it still going through the woods. This time it wasn't trying to be quiet.

So we just laid there. I laid there in complete silence and, you know, just terrified, just terrified.

You know, I've had guns pointed at me. I've been in situations that were life threatening. And nothing scared me like this did, just not knowing what it is, having my son there. Nothing's ever scared me like that. You know, I'm almost shaking now, just reliving this, just thinking about it.

And we laid there. I didn't move. I didn't make a sound. We waited for sunrise and it seemed like it took forever. I didn't come out of the tent until I heard my buddy coming out of his. And then at that point, you know, it was light. So you could see now and, you know,

I came out, my son was still asleep and I came out and looked around the tent and I didn't see anything. The ground was disturbed all around the tent but no tracks or footprints or anything like that, paw prints. But the disturbance on the ground could have been to me putting the tent up the day before. I don't know.

but there was no heavy prints or anything like that, but the ground's hard, it's grassy there, it had in the rain, so you wouldn't have had any kind of impressions in that type of area.

Yeah, I was going to ask you if you look for prints. I know the ground out there in Louisiana is pretty much like North Texas or really all of Texas. It's a really hard clay. So did you and your friend have a conversation about what had happened the night before?

We had a brief conversation because I kind of walked out and I said, hey, do you hear anything strange last night? And he says, well, I heard something moving around in camp. He says, I don't remember when. He says, but I thought it was maybe, you know, you got to have to go to the bathroom or something. I said, yeah, I heard something too. I said, but it wasn't me.

I said, well, it definitely wasn't me. And we picked up camp. We were going to go for Willing again that day and leave that night. And I told him, I said, man, I'm just kind of ready to go home.

I packed up the tent and I didn't even roll it back up, put it in the bags and stuff. I mean, I like balled it up through it in the back of my forerunner and, you know, we packed up and got my son up and had a little breakfast with him and left. It was, you know, I couldn't stay there. There's no way I could stay there and I was just completely, completely freaked out.

Yeah, I don't blame you. I probably would have left too. Well, I know I would have left. One question I want to ask you, I asked Jill this last night. We were talking about when the force goes quiet and, you know, I was telling Jill, for me, and maybe I'm wrong on the listeners, but I think a lot of people think, well, you know, big deal. Can you kind of explain the feeling of that whole force going quiet kind of from your perspective?

I mean, the normal sounds you hear in the forest, things moving around, crickets chirping, you know, owls or, you know, birds in the background, it was a deafening silence. And, you know, it's a, I usually sleep with like a sound machine. And it's almost like when that thing goes off, it'll wake me up, sound doesn't wake me up, but if that thing goes off and everything's quiet in the bedroom, it's like, stars me awake.

And I don't know if you understand kind of what that means, but it was just an eerie silence. If there was no sound other than when I heard it start coming through the woods and into camp, there was nothing crickets, nothing at all.

Yeah, you know, I kind of push this whole like force going quiet thing because to me, it doesn't seem normal at all. Um, you know, the, in the south, especially I've been down to Texas and your guys is forced is loud at night, louder than here in the Pacific Northwest. I mean, your guys is insects and you got cicadas. I mean, everything's going off and forward to go dead silent. To me, it feels like almost unnatural. What, what's kind of your take on it?

It is. It's unnatural. And I don't know if I'm saying this makes any sense, but the silence was like the loudest sound you could hear.

You know, it was definitely quiet, like nothing. And it's just, like you said, the forest is alive down here, especially summertime. You know, this is June. So, you know, it's summertime here. You know, it was probably in the 90s that day. So everything's awake. You know, all the animals are awake. There's always squirrels, possums, you know, raccoons,

Everything, you know, we have a lot of possums and raccoons down here and armadillos and you hear those all night long like the night before, you know, you hear noise all night long and then all of a sudden it was like a light switch turned and it was almost like one of those things like, wow, that's weird. That got quiet and you know, it went quiet enough to get your attention.

You can hear your ears ringing. You can hear your heart beating. It's so quiet. Yeah, that's exactly what it's like. You know, one time when I was down there in Texas, we had a armadillo come through. And at first I'd know what it was. It sounded like a tank crashing through the forest. And I was like, what is that? Because we don't have them here in the Pacific Northwest. But you know what, obviously what you were experiencing wasn't that. It was very, very different.

You know, when things are small like that on four legs, you hear them scurrying. You hear them moving. There's a constant noise. What this was was bipedal. It was step, step, step. There was no shuffling. There was no dragging of a foot. You know, as you move a foot forward, there was none of that. It was individual steps.

clearly could tell this was two legs, whatever it was. That's why the first thing I thought, you know, after, you know, it's not a bear. I'm like, it's a man. What is somebody doing out here?

Yeah, I think that's where my mind would have gone to. You know, if you don't believe in Bigfoot though, it must be a man, but nothing about this sounds like a man. And I know you went for the longest time trying to figure out what it was. And your second encounter was obvious what you were seeing. And we'll talk about that in a second. But, you know, when this encounter was all said and done, what did you think it was? Not a man.

You know, it was not a bear and it was not a man because you could feel the footsteps on the ground. You know, whatever it was, you know, even if this would have been, you know, Andre the Giant, if you can go back that far west, you know, it wasn't that kind of footsteps. It was, you know, it felt like something that weighed 5, 6, 800 pounds.

So, I don't know what it was, but I know what it wasn't. It wasn't a bear, it wasn't a deer, and it was not, it was not a person, it was not a human. Just from the sounds of the footsteps, there's no way, whatever it was, was a 250-pound guy, absolutely no way. So I don't know what it was, but I know what it wasn't.

You know, I wanted to ask you, Paul, you know, you're sitting in your tent and I'm curious what you think of the behavior. This thing comes into your camp. It's trying to be very careful the way it's coming into your camp, trying to stay kind of quiet. And it walks around your campsite for a little bit, takes off for a moment, comes back and then runs its hand across the top of your tent.

And, you know, in a lot of these encounters where eyewitnesses are intense, they'll report this of it touching the tent or running its hands across the top of the tent. And, you know, after it does this, it takes off and it's not really trying to be quiet when it takes off. What do you make of that behavior? Do you think it was just trying to see if you guys were awake? Either that or, you know, tormenting.

You know, if that makes any sense, when it left, it didn't take off for running, but it moved with a purpose after that. There was no longer stalking. So, you know, I kind of come to the conclusion of, was it curious? Had it been watching us? Did it smell the food? Because the first night we didn't cook. The second night, you know, we cooked tacos and we did s'mores and

You know, there was a lot more smells going around. I don't know if it came in to investigate things, but to drag its finger, hand, arm, whatever across the top of the tent to me is a willful action. You know, that is done for no other reason than to make noise.

Um, was it watching us the whole time? Was it watching us the afternoon or into the night as, you know, cause there was a light on and a tent for a while. He was watching iPad, you know, the lanterns on, or said one of those LED lanterns. So that was on, you know, and it, it was probably

30 minutes, 45 minutes, after everything was dark before it came in. So I don't think it just happened on us. I think it was watching us, whatever it was, whoever it was. Did you ever go back to this place?

I'm not. We went out there a couple times a year for the past, you know, the three years maybe before that. I have not been back since. I still haven't marked on my map and I kind of look at it and I pull up Apple Maps and, you know, I kind of look at it and it's Mark Trailhead and, you know, I thought about going riding out there. I don't know that I could go back and camp there. We haven't been camping since then, anywhere, anywhere. And I'm not the kind of guy that's afraid of the woods.

You know, like I said, I go heavily armed wherever I go. And even, even if I had my rifle in there, you know, that is a, I don't know if you're familiar with a 300 blackout, but it's a short barreled M4 style rifle with a big heavy 300, you know, caliber slug in it.

You know, if this thing's flesh and blood, it can be killed. And 30 rounds of that, I think, could have took pretty much anything out.

I had 230 round mags, but I was scared my son was out there, but at some point I'm kind of glad he was there because that may have kept me from doing something. Maybe I would regret it. Maybe firing a sidearm at it. I don't think that would have been enough. The thought passed me after it left. I need to go out and get my rifle, and I didn't want to make any noise.

So maybe it's best the rifle went in the tent. Maybe it's best my son was in there because that may have kept me from doing something stupid Yeah, and I think that's a pretty good mindset to have Paul. It is probably best you didn't get out of the tent I know over a year later You had this other incident happen to you this time you saw the creature How far away was that second incident to this one?

It would have been, by the way, it wasn't the same area of Louisiana. This was in more south central Louisiana where I live. But so it wasn't near this forest. It's probably, I don't know, 150 miles away.

Um, but where the second sighting was borders, uh, the Achaveli Basin, which is a flood basin for the Mississippi River. And that is all wooded. Um, you know, that's public hunting land out there. Um,

And it's a it's a wet bottom type of woods there. So that is for the where the second sighting was that that that basin area is directly west of you know where I saw this.

enough to be within, you know, walking distance. And also borders the Sherbin wildlife management area. So there's another big, nothing but woods, hardwoods there, hunting with some, with some bottom, some, some soggy bottom swampy areas there too. So it was bordering a lot of woods and a lot of game, game areas.

I hear ya. Well if you would kinda walk me into this incident in November of 2020.

So I was coming back from Texas, going home, and I'm probably 15 miles from home at that point. And this area is just on the north side of Interstate 10, and, again, adjacent to the Echapalaya Basin. And that basin is separated by a big levee that holds the flood water into the basin when the Mississippi River comes up.

So I'm coming home. It's probably about one o'clock in the morning. And this road is dark. There's no, it's in the middle of nowhere. No one lives out in this stretch of it. So there's no street lights. There's nothing like that. This is a completely rule. And on my forerunner, I have what we call Gitch lights.

And these are powerful LED cubes that are mounted at the windshield area, the bottom of the windshield area. And they point off at a 45 degree. So basically, if you're off-roading, it lights up the side and toward the front, the ditch area.

So I usually would never run with these on but I do in this little stretch of area here because it's nothing but cane fields and wooded area. There's no light. This time in the morning there's no traffic. So I did have those lights on here so that illuminates 90 degrees to the side of the vehicle and you know in a 45 degrees all the way up front. So I have these lights on and they're bright bright bright.

So as I'm coming down this road, the road sits elevated from the field, the cane field that's out there. And then it's also separated by a big ditch, probably a, I would say 15 foot deep ditch and maybe 20, 25 foot wide bitch.

And then that kind of drops down to the cane fields. And then there's an area probably about 20, 25 yards from the ditch to where the actual cane is growing right there. And, you know, middle of November, this is sugar cane harvesting time. So the cane is in most spots 10, 12 foot tall at this point. It's ready to be harvested.

So in Louisiana, some cane gets taller than that, but ours is probably 10 to 12 foot in most areas here. So I'm driving down this road and there's deer. There's always deer out here. So that's why I'm running these lights doing about 45 miles an hour. So I'm not going fast because I've had several run out in front of me here. So I'm watching and I'm always looking for them.

kind of going into the field, going along the field on the road here, and then probably somewhere I started seeing something about a hundred yards, it turns into woods, it goes from cane field to woods, and that's generally where the deer start is at the woods. So I'm watching, like I said, I've been down this road a hundred times, so I'm looking

And I see something ahead of me. The first thing I see is what I thought was gold reflectors. Like there's reflectors along the road, kind of where the crossovers are to get into the field. And some of the yellow sides with the yellow and the black stripes on the side to kind of mark.

So I think that's an odd place for those reflectors to be. And they're bright, man. They are bright. I'm like, wow, that's odd. So I kind of take my foot off the gas and start coasting. And then as the light picks it up, I immediately saw what it was. It was not a reflector. It was not signs.

There's an eight foot creature standing there looking back toward me, holding a dead deer. So it's holding, you know, as I got up closer to it, I could see it's holding full grown, white tail doe. And it's looking at me, looking at it. And it's almost like

You know, for lack of a better term, during the headlight look, it's standing completely still, not moving. I guess kind of one of those things, well, if I don't move, it can't see me.

So, you know, and so I'm kind of coasting down, slowing down as I come into, it comes in the view and I'm passing it. And I'm looking at it compared to the cane and it's not much shorter than the sugar cane, maybe two feet. So I'm thinking whatever it was was probably eight foot tall, nine foot tall. And it's hard to say because the road's a little elevated, but I'm looking at this thing sitting in my truck almost eye level.

You know, whatever, it's huge. It is absolutely massive.

And just standing there holding a deer. Like both of its arms are curled supporting the weight of the deer. It's like it just picked it up off the ground. And looking back on it, you can see the deer's head was turned the wrong way. It's limp laying down, but it's not facing the right way it would normally be. So it looked like it maybe broke its neck. So kind of coasting past this thing and looking at it, and it's looking back at me.

You know, if it wouldn't have been for the last movement, it would have been like a statue, like it was completely frozen. And as I passed it, so it's on my right hand side. So as I pass, it takes a, instead of turning its head to watch me pass, it takes a kind of a step with its left foot and kind of turns and watches me leave.

And at this point, I'm probably doing 25 miles an hour and kind of coasted by it. And just kind of not believing what I just saw, even though I know exactly what I saw. And so I kind of pass it up and everything goes dark.

And I'm like, man, I should have stopped. I'm like, I'm turning around. So, you know, and again, all I have with me is a nine millimeter. So I'm turning around. So I came to the next little culvert area and I pulled in and back back out and just like floor it back. And I'm maybe a hundred, hundred and fifty yards from where it was. And as I get back, you know, that everything's lining up, it's gone.

I could see right where it was standing because it was on the corner of where the cane field ends. Then there's like a little access road that goes on the side of the field and then so there's woods on the left hand side of this little road and there's cane field on the right hand side. So I pulled into the culvert right there where it would have been standing. I'm shining my lights back down this little dirt road that's there and I'm looking all around. I might sit out there for 10 minutes just looking.

You know, the thought crossed me like, man, I need to get out and look and see if there's any footprints or tracks or anything I could see right there. But, you know, again, all I had was a nine millimeter and seeing this thing, there is no way. There's no way I was getting out of my truck with a handgun.

You know, unless it had been a 500 Smith in lesson, I'm not getting out with a handgun going to see where this thing was. And they'd be there for like 15 minutes and kind of move the truck around so the lights would be pointed in different areas. And I didn't want to drive off into this field because, you know, it's private property. But, you know, at that point, it wasn't really, it wasn't really mattering. So I pulled down a little ways and looked and shined the lights different ways and never saw anything else. Didn't see anything move.

you know, whatever it was, had either gone back into the cane or into the woods on the adjacent side. So, yeah, since I sat there for 10 or 15 minutes, looked around and finally like, all right, well, I guess I know how to go. Now left, you know, not still past this road, you know, two or three times a month and like, you know, so I'm looking really hard now.

Yeah, you know, it reminds me I used to have those same lights you're talking about. And I kind of used them for the same purpose going down some of these backcountry roads where there's no light. These deer will kind of pop out in front of you. And I kind of redid up in my my Hummer. They kind of have a fake grill. It's like an open area underneath the engine. And I had.

put lights in there. And then at night, when I flipped the switch underneath the dash, it was like Batman going down the going down the road. I wanted to ask you how far away from you was this creature?

I'm on the road, so there's the ditch on the right-hand side of me where it was. So that's probably about 25 feet across and then probably another 20 yards to where the canes start. So I would say, you know, this thing was 35 yards or so from me when I saw it. And like I said, it never moved. It stayed right there until I passed.

So I was, you know, I was probably a good 3540 yards from it with a lot of light on it. Yeah, that's pretty close, especially when you're hitting it with those LEDs that light everything up. Um, if you would, would you kind of describe what you were looking at? So, yeah, you know,

saw something that's eight foot tall at least, at least eight foot tall. I estimated there was probably two foot of cane from my best guess of where the top of the head was to the top of the cane. So there's probably two foot. So what I saw was at least, you know, I wanted to go back and measure the cane the next year when they grow it. So it's down right now. So I can't. But you know, just to get a better idea, but it was at least eight to nine foot tall.

It was a dark brown, not black, not cinnamon, but a dark, dark brown, completely covered in hair, other than the facial area. But I don't know. A lot of people describe them as being matted up or the hair splotchy. And this was it. This thing was, I don't want to say well groomed, but it was, you know, uniform at least.

Huge, absolutely huge. And I think what I told you in my email was, you know, the only thing I have to compare it to is, you know, the Patty film. And then, you know, I'm a 70s, 80s kid. So, you know, looking at Star Wars at Chewbacca. And what I saw was, you know, almost across between the two, it wasn't bulky like Patty was.

It was seemed taller, it seemed thinner, but still massively huge. The shoulders were probably three and a half, four foot across. The legs were massive. I couldn't see the chest area because it was holding the deer, but I could see waist down, huge legs, long

Unproportional. As far as if you were looking at a human, the legs were different. They were not proportional like a human. It's almost like our knees were in the middle of our legs. And this thing, the knees were much lower. The thigh area was much, much longer than ours is. And it stood there with a slight bend to the knees.

the head was unproportional to the shoulders. It was smaller than you would think it should be, given the size of the shoulders. No neck, you know, it was almost like a lump on top of shoulders. So the head was small, you know, compared to the body. Couldn't really see the arms other than it was just folded up over the deer. It was almost like cradling it, like it just picked it up.

the head and the face, you know, couldn't see any years. It was completely fur covered except for, I would say that the hair's not fur covered, because it wasn't fur, it was hair.

Everything was pretty much haired over with the exception of the center part of the face from the brow area, forehead area, and was real real light haired, then down to that it almost like it had a beard. The hair started back on the cheeks and hung down off of the chin.

massive eyes, these amber colored eyes from the reflection or compared almost to looking down the end of a coffee cup. They were the size of a coffee mug. Huge. You were hitting this thing with a lot of light. Do you think those eyes were glowing or was it eye shine?

No, definitely eyeshine. They were not glowing because, you know, as I got, as the light trailed out, you could see them fading out. It was definitely a reflection, just like a normal eye, you know, but they were a bright, bright amber colored, yellow amber colored. The nose was

Wasn't a gorilla nose. It was more humid as far as the nose goes, but very smashed in and kind of smashed up, if that makes sense. The mouth was not open. It was closed. You really couldn't see.

The one that didn't have big, you know, kelp lips or anything like that. It was more, you know, more human-like as far as the lips go, you couldn't even really see them, you know, just from the beard that it had. And, you know, you could tell the mouth was really wide, but you really couldn't see any lips or anything like that.

The forehead was some hair on it, but more sloped back. I want to say cone head, but definitely, you know, a point of your head kind of conical looking and the forehead kind of sloped back into it. I don't know if you're a Trekky fan, but almost, you know, with the Klingons, you know, that wrinkled type forehead and, you know, kind of sloped back.

Oh, I thought I lost you there, Paul. It kind of dropped off. Um, I wanted to ask you, you know, as you were going by this thing, you'd kind of mentioned obviously it's doing the stone face, not moving, not doing anything. And then as you kind of went by it pivoted, was it kind of squaring up with you as you were going by?

No, it was square to the road already. I mean, almost like perfectly square looking out to the road. So as I went by, rather than it turning its head and watching me go by, it almost took a step with its left foot and kind of turned its hips at the same time. If you kind of get what I'm saying, it turned in the direction that I was going.

and kind of watched me go. So instead of turning its head, it took kind of a step with that left foot as it turned its hips and just kind of rotated and watched me leave. And that's why I know that the eyes were not glowing because once I passed like 90 degrees from it, those cube lights just have a sharp, sharp cut off and then there was no eye shine or anything after that light passed it.

Yeah, it's probably best you didn't stop, you know, especially if it just got a fresh kill. You know what I mean? Yeah, yeah. But, you know, listen to your show and, you know, I keep thinking every time I listen to something, I'm like, you know, why didn't you take a picture? Why didn't somebody take a picture? My phone was sitting on my console.

And it never dawned on me. I'm like, man, I'm like, you know, all of us other idiots. I didn't even take a picture. I didn't even think about it. Never dawned on me to pick up my phone, stop, and pick up my phone. And I could have. I had time. And it never dawned on me. And I'm kicking myself, man, why don't you take a picture, idiot?

Yeah, I kind of think everyone goes through that. It's one of those things to wear. It's the last thing on your mind because you're in shock as far as what you're seeing. You know, when you were looking at this saying, did you get the feeling you were looking more at a man or more of an animal?

I can't say that it felt like either. Yeah, it was standing up like a man, but it was not proportional to a man. And it definitely was not proportional to a gorilla. A gorilla is not that tall and not that lean. And I say lean, this thing wasn't skinny. It wasn't emaciated or anything. It was massively healthy.

But a grill is not shaped like that. You know, they usually have the big chest and the big belly and even though I couldn't see that most of that because of the deer, but it wasn't there. It wasn't like that. So, and I guess if I had to say anything, it was more human-like, human-esque, just from the way it stood and the way it, you know, was shaped. But

Yeah, even the biggest human you've ever seen, right about anything, it was so much bigger than that, so much bigger, so much wider than that.

And it was like standing there like, well, if I don't move, you know, maybe it doesn't, he doesn't see me. It doesn't see me. And, you know, it was almost like that. It was almost like daring the headlights. It didn't move a bit. It could have took off for running, but it didn't. And I don't, so I don't know if they're sensitive to light, like, you know, daring the headlights. I don't know if that caused it to stay there or if it knowingly said, don't move. It'll just pass.

Yeah, you hear a lot of accounts of them freezing and not really moving. And it's pretty smart if you think about it, because as humans, as predators, you know, we see movement, something's not moving. We're probably not going to see it except for in a big field like this. You know, when you, after this encounter, did you kind of look back to that incident a year before and go, oh, I wonder if that's what that was?

And it didn't take me two minutes to think about that, you know, on the drive after I pulled out and finally left and said, all right, I'm going home. So first thing I thought about is like, that had to be, yeah, obviously it wasn't that one, but that had to be what came through camp because then it all made sense.

the size of it, the feel of the footsteps where it touched the tent seven foot off the ground. You know, this would have been, you know, this thing could have held out its hand straight out and touched the tent where it did that night. So yeah, it took me, you know, all of a minute or two to come to the realization of this is most likely what was out, you know, in Kansaji.

You know, Paul, being that this was so close to your home, have you thought about going and talking to that farmer? No, you know, I haven't really talked to any about it about it. West, you know, I just got such a stigma to it. You know, and I'm in law enforcement and, you know, definitely don't want to get a reputation of being crazy, you know.

So, no, I didn't. I didn't, you know, I didn't talk to anybody else. You know, I got online and read and looked and, you know, looked at the BFRO page and seeing where sightings were and there's tons of sightings out. And Kasachi, nothing really right where I was when I saw this one. But, you know, it's perfect habitat. You're right there at the flood basin. There's woods everywhere. There's hundreds and hundreds of deer.

you know, in these woods, in these areas. So, yeah, there's plenty to do, there's plenty to eat there, that's for sure.

Yeah, I understand how you feel. I think times are changing though a little bit. The two categories of people that listen to the show that shocked me the most are kids and cops. You'd be surprised how many cops listen to the show. Let me ask you, I mean, after this whole incident, now you're actually seeing it. The first one, you didn't really get a look at it, but the second incident, you know what you saw. How did this kind of affect you?

Well, you know, it kind of, you know, like I said, I've always kind of been interested in Bigfoot, but, you know, I wouldn't say before this that I was a believer, you know, I've never seen one, you know, so I don't know, you know, that all these people could be crazy talking about this. And after I saw this, I'm like, oh, this is real.

You know, there's no doubt what it was. Not in my mind. I'm like, okay, well, all this is real. This is, you know, this is real stuff. So, you know, that was my, you know, kind of how it changed me. It went from not a believer, but not a skeptic to like, okay, well, this is real. This is absolutely 100%. I know what I saw.

So, you know, and I haven't told anyone. You know, Wes, when I talk to you, that was the first time I've told anybody about this. And I'm not sure if I told you kind of the story, but

There was a show earlier this year and it was almost like the same kid store i was on my way to texas different different time and i heard this and i heard this account i need to go back and listen and find it again so i know which one it is but.

I was driving and it shook me, listening to him talk about the tent and it came into the camping area, which I've heard on many times. It affected me to the point that I had to pull over on the side of the interstate and sit there for 10 minutes and catch my breath again.

Like I said, I've been in all kinds of situations and I'm pretty good under pressure and nothing really affects me like this, but when I heard that story and I had to pull over and I've been wrestling with, listen to your show, I've been wrestling with, sending you an email. I'm like, hey man, this is what I saw, what do you think? Just to get some validation and kind of tell somebody at least,

Yeah, you know, most of the tent encounters or campsite encounters, their behavior seems the same when they come in. So I understand why it shook you because it's exactly what happened to you. I wanted to ask you, Paul, you know, after, gosh, we're going on almost six years now of that very first incident. I ask everyone on the show, what do you think Sasquatch is? What's your take? Well, Wes, I knew you were going to ask me that.

I don't know. It's not a human. It's an animal. It is a living, breathing, sleeping, eating, crapping animal. And, you know, we're animals as well.

I don't know. It's not human. Did it come from humans at some point? I don't know. I don't think so. You know, relic hominid comes to mind. You know, something ancient, but it's also something very intelligent. It's not intelligent like it, you know, speaks English or knows algebra, but intelligent like it knew what it was doing when it came into camp.

It knew, and I think it was being antagonistic, it knew that touching the tent and running its finger down it would make noise. And maybe he was looking for someone to get startled. Maybe he was looking for a reaction. I say, I don't know what it was, but maybe they were looking for a reaction. I don't know. But it killed a deer, so it needs to eat.

You know, I don't, you know, I've heard all the other people talk about it. I don't buy into the portals and, you know, disappearing and reappearing. I don't necessarily believe that, but, you know, I'm sure not going to count it out. That's for sure. But it's a, it's an animal. It's something that's in the woods. It needs to eat. It needs to sleep. And it's curious. I think whatever it is is very curious of us, wary, but curious of us as well.

So, I don't think that's very, it's not an answer, but it's what I got. Yeah, I appreciate it, Paul. I appreciate your answer. And it is, it's a frustrating topic because

I mean, you're right. It's like this thing eats at poops, but all this other weird stuff. If, if, you know, something spiritual, why would it need to eat and poop or hunt for its own food or it's, it's frustrating, man. And even with their behavior, like in that first account,

Is very human like you know that's something I would do if I was going through the forest I stepped on a on a branch and I was hunting I'd be like oh no and I would stop for a moment and try To get everything to get quiet again, you know obviously I've made a mistake and that's kind of what this thing did it was very human like behavior

Yeah. And then, you know, after it did that, it stopped and waited for everything to get quiet again and make sure nothing was stirring around, which was weird. Like you're saying, you know, if a bear does that, he's not stopping. You know, Cougar's not stopping. This thing stopped and waited to make sure the coast was clear. Make sure I wasn't coming out or someone wasn't coming out or something else wasn't moving. It stopped for minutes and waited.

And kind of a last question I want to ask you Paul, you know, when you were in your tent and the forest goes quiet after the creature left, how long do you think it took before the forest came alive again?

probably 30 minutes. I say that as an estimate because I didn't have my phone or anything with me. I didn't have a watch on. It took a long time. It wasn't forever, but I would say 20, 30 minutes before, and it wasn't like another light switch on. The crickets may have started back. And it took a while before I heard anything moving. Of course, I was hypersensitive to anything moving in the woods.

But, you know, the crickets came back, you know, maybe some birds around or something like that. But it took a long time before anything in the woods started moving again. Yeah, it's very weird. I appreciate your kind of your insight on that. And I really appreciate you taking the time, Paul, to come on and share with us what happened to you. I know that you haven't shared this with anyone. And thank you again for coming on, man. I really enjoyed chatting with you.

Wes, I thank you for having me alone and giving people this platform to reach out, because I'm telling you that it means a lot. It feels good to tell somebody with no fear of ridicule. So thank you for giving us this platform and what you do. And it's great entertainment for us. My kid gets in the truck and he's like, can we put on Sasquatch files?

are chronicles and he's like yep absolutely so you know we rode trip and it's it's it's west talking to us the whole way so uh we appreciate we appreciate that

Thanks for the kind words, Paul. And that's it for tonight, everyone. Remember, if you've had an encounter, shoot me an email. My email address is west at sasquatchcronicles.com. And if you get a chance, check out sasquatchcronicles.com. You can become a member and get additional shows. Happy new year, everyone.

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