It looked like somebody was bent over and had their head in the window of the deer blind and it either heard me or smelled me and he pulled his head out of the tent and stood straight up and that, that shocked me. They don't make people that, that big. The way it moved.
Almost as if it was gliding across the beach. I've never seen anything move like that in my life. They were screaming at each other in gibberish. It sounded like a language and they were chunking away back and forwards, back and forwards, back and forwards. I know what a bear looks like and there is no way on this planet that what I saw bears.
Second one, what are you reporting? Jesus Christ, you better see us. Hello? Get somebody out here. What's going on now, sir? I saw a bitches about six foot nine, I don't know. Easy, sir? Yes, the book I write in. Uh-oh.
Hi, I'm Becky. And I'm Mercedes. We're looking for a guy with big feet, six, eight, brown eyes, always hides. We found him on our favorite podcast. Woo! Sasquatch Chronicles!
Happy New Year, everyone. Thanks for being here. Got a great show planned for you. We'll be speaking with Jill. And Jill's from Utah. She had this encounter in a place called the Flaming Gorge. It's kind of an eastern Utah. When she was a child, this happened back in the late 80s. It's a terrifying account. But 34 years later, her parents bought this huge ranch on the opposite side of the mountain where Skinwalker ranches.
She describes an encounter with other witnesses, including her father, her mother, her husband, and I'll kind of let her go into it tonight. If you've had an encounter and you'd like to be on the show, shoot me an email. My email address is west at sasquatchcoronicals.com and if you get a chance check out sasquatchcoronicals.com. You can become a member and get additional shows.
you know I've been fighting this weird strange cold for about the last two weeks and they see it's whooping cough but it it's a weird cold it's a very strange cold I won't go into complaining about it but I was talking to um or maybe it's too late for that but I was talking to Brent from the paranormal portal podcast
and he had asked me if I'd been through any strange, weird fog recently and I have a mountain, you know, basically in my front yard in the Pacific Northwest, we'd call it a hill, but you know, it always has fog on it in the morning
But to me, it looks like normal fog. Have you guys heard about this mysterious global fog that people are seeing? People describe it thicker than normal fog. It has kind of a weird smell and kind of leaves a weird taste in your mouth. All right. So it's crazy foggy right now. But that's not the weird part. OK.
Like, number one, it's weird because as it gets later in the day, fog should light and dissipate. And it's really not. But the weirdest part is the taste and smell. It smells like after you set off a bunch of fireworks. And like, the taste of the air is... I mean, the only word I could think of is toxic. It's super weird. And so I'm going for my walk.
And it's kind of worrying me a little bit. Let me know if you guys are experiencing something like that. That's weird. Yeah, I mean, it smells not right. And I've, you know, I mean, I'm 41. I've been through fog. This is something different.
And I will say that that fog does look strange behind that guy. I know you guys can't see it, but that fog does kind of have a weird appearance, but I don't know if anything's going on. There's a ton of videos of people showing this. Hopefully it's people's imaginations. I'm not so sure though.
In very sad news, two Oregon men were found dead in Washington state after they failed to return from a trip. They were looking for Sasquatch and it's a 59 year old and a 37 year old and it appears that they died from exposure.
In Scamania County, two Portland men lost their lives while searching for Bigfoot, reported by our sister station in Portland. On December 25th, the Scamania County Communication Center received a report at one in the morning. The report said two overdue people had planned to return home on Christmas Eve. A family member reported the missing and endangered. A flat camera helped locate the car associated with the missing men, leading rescue coordinators to
The Oklahoma Road, that's right near Willard Washington, a 59-year-old and 57-year-old man, were discovered in a heavily wooded area right off the Gifford Pinchot National Forest.
And for the locals, they were kind of above, they were north of Carson White Salmon area in the Gifford Pinchot. You know, I didn't know the guys, and I don't know why this event is weighing on my soul, but that area is no joke. I know the area well from my days of hunting, and I even got lost up there for a moment. It's not hard to get stuck. It's not hard to get hurt or worse than that area.
And I think about the time these guys went up there is when that major storm hit us. A very tragic, always go prepared. Now to some important rescue gear, really helpful stuff here. It was actually stolen. And the timing of this stands out as it happened hours after two Sasquatch hunters were found dead. Ariel Sol joins us live now outside the storage trailer where that was targeted in Scamania County. And Ariel, what's the latest here?
This is where the thieves cut through the fence, crawled through to steal life-saving gear, thousands of dollars worth of it. We never actually really thought that anybody would target life-saving equipment like this in a search and rescue team. This community of County Sheriff's Office search and rescue team spent three days searching for the missing Portland men who tragically died while looking for Sasquatch in the Gifford Pinchot National Forest on Christmas.
Everybody went home after that Friday night and rested Saturday. We're all pretty exhausted after that. The next day they found nearly all of their team's rescue equipment was stolen. To have this happen to them after they spent Christmas out in the field searching for people and returning their loved ones is disgusting to me.
items, including custom wilderness medical kits for remote emergencies, rescue kits for hypothermic patients, and an automated external defibrillator. This is stuff that we actually, it's our lifeline. It's what we use to try to bring people out safely. They're only valuable to other rescue agencies, and rescue agencies don't buy this stuff secondhand.
The rescue team says they are all volunteers and don't receive funding from federal, state or local governments. Every piece of equipment, training and missions are made possible by donation. Oh, it's devastating for us. We use this equipment all the time and because they are so small and the work that they do.
They were unable to receive insurance on their equipment. We use this equipment all the time. We've had seven mission callouts in the last eight weeks. And the fact that this was stolen makes it really hard for us to be mission ready. If you'd like to help them rebuild, their GoFundMe is posted on our website at coin.com. Reporting in Scamania County, Ariel Salk, print six news.
Who steals in the first place, but who steals from search and rescue? It's starting to lose my faith in humanity. This isn't really how I wanted to start off 2025. Let's jump into it tonight. I want to welcome Jill to the show. Jill, thanks for coming on. Absolutely. Thanks for having me, Wes.
Yeah, and you had this in Canada, we're going back to the late 80s in Utah. If you would, just kind of start from the beginning. What were you guys doing and what happened?
Okay, so my family, there's this massive gorge. It connects to the Green River. There's a lot of cliff jumping around there, a lot of camping. We did a lot of camping growing up. And so Mustang Ridge is a specific campsite that is seated close to these cliffs that range anywhere from 10 feet up to 100, 120 feet.
As a little girl, I was not jumping off a cliff with my siblings. I have three older siblings. My twin brothers are six years older than I am. My sister is five years older than I am. Preparing for this trip, my dad had purchased me a whistle.
And this place was really safe. And so as a kid, since I wasn't doing the cliff jumping with my siblings, I was allowed to kind of just play around the cliffs as long as I catch my family in sight.
And so as little kids do, I was wandering and just picking up rocks. I loved the rocks up there, the gorge. It's kind of all red with really brown rocks and a lot of kind of brush and pine trees, kind of an enclosed but open space as well.
As I was just kind of wondering, I remember looking up and realizing that I no longer could see my family, but not only could I not see my family anymore, I wasn't recognizing the cliff range. And so this gorge is the cliffs go all the way around it, but there's this specific set of cliffs where the cliff jumping was because it was safe enough to do it there.
And I was familiar enough with it because, I mean, we had been down there for days. I knew the area well by this point. And I knew that I was lost.
So it was starting to get kind of desk. I mean, I noticed it was starting to get a little darker and my dad had told me when if you get lost, you stay still and you just blow that whistle and I'll find you. And so I was still along this cliff edge, but these cliffs were really high up. So I was still kind of
I would say probably 15, 20 feet away from the cliff edge, but I could see, you know, over the cliff edge and into where the gorge was and on the opposite side, probably about from where I was about 100, 150 feet.
was the space of where there was still water and the cliffs picked up on this on this office side and I could see very clearly over that so I just kind of sat down and started blowing my whistle and.
The first thing I noticed was I couldn't, though the waves kind of had stopped crashing, like I couldn't hear the sounds of the waves hitting the cliffs. And then the bug noise dropped and the trees stopped swaying. And I just remember it being silent and very eerie. And my heart starts to race because
This is such a vivid memory. When all of the noise is what's silent, I felt being watched. We're all very familiar with that feeling. When there are eyes on you, when something's watching you and a person's watching you and something's watching you. And I felt that. And I stopped blowing my whistle.
And I looked up and across this gorge, like I said, about 150 feet, I saw what, to me, looked like an ape that I had seen at a zoo, but it was standing like a man.
and it was massive and it was black and dark. It had these piercing, orange, almost amber. They felt fluorescent eyes and they just pierced into me like I felt such utter horror fear that I can't even describe. And
I remember I, as a little girl crouched down, put my head in between my legs and my hands over my head and my ears and just sat there. I was terrified and just praying that my dad would find me. I'll never forget that, just being like, find me dad.
It must have, I don't know if it was minutes, if it was seconds, if it was, I don't know how long it was. It felt like forever, but it also felt like it was instantaneously. These hands scooped me up and told me to keep my head down and to be quiet, that I was safe and he took off running and it was my dad and he had
He had found me, scooped me out, literally had seen what I had seen, and just so swiftly took off running. And I remember the noises of the forest hadn't come back yet. It had to have been, man,
what seemed like. It probably was not more than a minute, but it seemed like a lot longer than that little girl before the noises came back and before I finally had the courage to look up and see my dad's face. And he just kept saying as he was running and as he was running in the opposite direction of this creature,
is so fast. Like it was, it was this urgency that I knew that this was dangerous and we needed to get out of there quickly. And so as the noises started to come back and I looked up at him, I remember just questioning like he was my, he was my Superman. He had come and saved me from this creature that
He was just evil. And I say he because I just remember it was, it wasn't that I saw Jenna tell you anything. It was just clearly a man. It was clearly muscles. It's like the muscles, the way the body was, it was clearly a male creature. But I didn't know what it was.
So as we were running back, I remember it took a long time because what happened at dusk and before we finally got back to the campsite, it was dark. I know that when we finally got back, the streetlights at the campsite were on because they had little streetlights and everyone was out searching with their flashlights. Everyone, the entire campsite was out searching for me. And we got back.
And my dad put me down and my brothers came and asked if I was okay. And I remember my dad was just, he was clearly shaken. And he and I have spoken of it since then. He's actually, he will only speak about it with me.
because I think it's still terrifying for him to see what he saw and to feel what I felt. And I know that if I felt what I felt for him to be taking his child out of this and running, that he had to have been terrified. And I remember I got back to the camp. My brothers were around me.
My mom was, I mean, she was hysterical. She was so grateful I was back. But I remember my dad went for a walk. He just had to go and walk by himself, which is very like my dad. He processes things a lot. And we didn't speak of it in really details, just that I, that whole rest of that trip
He made sure that I wasn't out of sight and that we didn't go back anywhere near that area. I don't know how far I was. I don't know where I was. I don't know how he found me. But we stayed very close to camp. We stayed very close to the cliffs. And it was just a very like, he was very cautious for the rest of that trip.
Jeez, what a scary encounter. I kind of want to ask you about descriptions, kind of what you saw before I do that. You know, in the very beginning, you were talking about the forest going quiet and a lot of eyewitnesses experience that. And I know what you mean, but I think sometimes people listening think, oh, it just gets quiet because there's a predator around. Would you kind of describe that silence? Yeah, absolutely. So.
I'm a country girl. I was raised out in the forest. We did camping, everything. So you're very familiar with the sounds, at least I am. But if I was explaining it to someone, you hear crickets, you hear chirping, dusk is falling, there's a breeze in the air. And you can hear that breeze. I mean, you hear wind, you hear the trees, you hear the bristles of the trees.
as they bristle, you hear the noises of whatever animals might be going to sleep or coming out at that time of night. And in a scourge, because of where I was, the waves, you could hear the waves crash against the cliffs very, very clearly. So there's a lot of noise, which is why
you know i had that whistle you blow that whistle it's gonna it's gonna pair stuff above above all those noises so that my dad would be able to share me no matter where i was right and so
As everything went silent, it was almost like one step after one step would just slowly turn off like you're turning so that the crickets were going on mute and then the waves were going on mute. And then the last thing that
The stop was the movement in the air and the wind. And when the sounds of trees and that nightly wind coming up off the gorge stops, it's an audible stop. It's an audible mute. It's a very loud silence, if that makes sense. And you can feel it.
throughout your entire body. It's almost like your brain, it's almost like your underwater and your brain's not understanding why it can't hear sounds. So it's almost a distortion of this is not normal, this is different, and I don't understand why it's gone silent. To that answer the question,
Yeah, it does. I think describing it like being underwater is probably one of the best descriptions I've heard. You know, when I talk to a lot of kids off the air, you know, small children, they'll describe it like a gorilla. You know, they'll call it gorilla man or monkey man. And I realize all of this happened to you very, very quickly. But when you were looking at this creature,
What were some things that kind of stood out to you? Would you kind of describe what you saw? Absolutely. But no, no, I'll never forget the face specifically. And I think that I felt more immediately like a gorilla man because of the shape that the face was not
Was it out of an eight? Um, you're familiar with the dog band versus staff squats, right? The, the, how they, they have more of a snout.
just more of a canine mixed with a human mixed with an ape face. It's just it's a different, it's almost like, it was almost like closer to a werewolf face than an ape, but more of like an ape body. Like, like, if that makes sense. So it was, I remember it was, it was huge, it was huge. And
I remember the chest gone, like I remember thinking, and that's why I thought of rilement because you know how gorillas have that big chest that they pound, right? Like that big chest that you can see. And I remember seeing like that dark, dark muscles and covered in hair, but it was just, it was massive. It was massive.
And as it was standing there, it just, there was no way, because of how it was standing, it clearly wasn't an ape. And even as my little girl brain, I knew that's not, that's not a zoo creature. It's also not a man, but I don't know what it is. I just know that it looks similar to certain things. It didn't look like it bared of me. As I've
grown up and, and a lot from your show and just on YouTube and looking at these creatures, it resembled more of the dog man's snout kind of face, but just huge and muscly and ripped and kind of not, not like super furry like a bear. I mean, it wasn't, it wasn't that it was, it was just kind of
It looked like shaggy. I don't even know how to phrase this. The hair was longer and unkempt. It was just dirty and rugged and clearly an animal of some sort that also clearly had features of a human.
Oh, I gotcha. Yeah, when I read through your email, I was kind of thinking it was a Sasquatch, but you actually ran into a dog man. Yes, yes, West. That's exactly what it was. And I say that just because when you see a site comparison and I know what I saw, it is burned like I talked about yesterday. It is burned into
My brain is burned into my being. I will never forget what I saw. And it was terrifying because it was not... It was like, where did you come from? You're not of this world. I couldn't understand it in my brain. And my dad, as we've talked about it over the years,
It's very, very difficult for him to talk about because it causes him fear to talk about it. He remembers the eyes. He remembers that it looked like more of a werewolf than a bear or a gorilla. It was just that kind of
Features if that makes sense like we both it was terrifying it was it was a creature that Shouldn't exist in this world and yet it did and I couldn't make sense of it any mention the eyes being kind of a reddish color Were those eyes glowing or was it more or less kind of like a reflection?
They weren't red. They were like an amber color. They were kind of a mix of yellow and orange. So I guess that's red, but more of like an amber color. And no, they were because it was desk. It wasn't the sun was not the sun wouldn't have hit it like that. It was like I could see them.
as if they were flashlights super close to me from so far away. They were glowing. They were piercing. They were terrifying. They were bright. They were shiny. They were terrifying.
Yeah, it sounds like it. Did the creature make any sort of movements or any sort of gestures toward you or was it? Did it seem like it was just a shock to see you as you seeing it? No, it was not shocked to see me. It was very apparent that it was watching me that
that it was it was editorial he didn't I don't remember any movements but I remember when because so let me see if I can describe this so it's not that he was crouching down because he didn't when he when he made a full step up he didn't he would he did get that much taller so one thing he was crouching down that he was kind of
hunched because he was keeping in line with the trees or by him because he was hiding back in those trees, if that makes sense. So when I saw him, first, like I told you, I felt him, I felt being washed. But because he was kind of camouflaged with the shade of the cliffs, the trees or around him,
It was kind of like he was shaded so when he stood up or or stood to full length when we need eye contact because it was when we need eye contact that it was. Okay now i'm going to show you. 100% who i am or what i am.
It wasn't that he moved towards me. It wasn't that he, you know, moved his arms or ran towards me or made a movement. It was just a simple, from kind of crouching down, maybe, what, like, five, six inches to a very visible step up to the point where he was like, this is me. This is, I see you.
You see me and it's very, very obvious that I see you and it was predatory. It was, I don't know what she was thinking, but it was dangerous. Like I knew that I was in danger. I felt it. And that's why I tried to get a small and down to the ground as possible because I was trying to hide so that he couldn't see me.
But I remember even after I crouched down, like I still remember that visible just staring at me, which is why I put my head in my hands and covered my ears because everything about it was so scary that I was trying to get as small and little as possible so that he would just stop looking at me. And I don't want to make eye contact with him to get because it was that.
It was almost like an instinct with him. It was something that he was ready to fund after me. Yeah, it was predatory and instinctual. That's the only way that I can describe it and how it felt.
Yeah, your dad really is Superman. My child or any child or my dog, Teddy. That would be the extent of the list of people I would get in front of or get in between a dog man and someone else. I mean, anyone else, you're on your own. Godspeed, I wish you well. But your dad really is Superman. I mean, later in life, did he, um, did he tell you what from his perspective, what he saw?
So it was interesting. So we've only talked about this a handful of times West because like I said, it's very, it's hard for him to talk about. But he remembers feeling that he needed to
get me out of there. He remembers. It wasn't that he heard my whistle and he brought this up. He said that I just, it was almost like I was being
led to where you were, because he said there's no way that I should have found you. There was no way. I don't think I mentioned this. We went down to a cliff jump at around 11.30 noon. And by the time that he or that this happened was dusk. So that was a lot of time that I not only have wandered far off, but was lost and just missing in action, right? I was just gone.
And he remembers that he just felt like he was being guided to exactly where I was. And when he found me and he saw it, he said, I needed to get out of there. We needed to get out of there immediately. We needed to get out of danger because he felt that danger.
He felt the silence in the woods. He felt, because he's even called it an audible silence, that that that billion that you feel with every bit of your body. And the only thing that he could think of, he didn't have, he didn't have, he didn't have a gun on a mermaid thing. He wasn't expecting to come upon this in the woods. He, you know, he was, he was looking for his baby girl.
And so when he saw this and he saw me terrified, his first instinct was to protect me. And that's always been my dad when it comes to me, like, make her feel safe. And I will deal with whatever I have to deal with.
And it will make her feel safe. And so when he told me, like, don't look up, just keep your eyes down like we're going to go. That's all he was thinking was, I need to get her out of here and me out of here now because this is scary. This is dangerous. And I am not equipped to handle whatever that is that I just saw.
Yeah, that's terrifying. You know, almost every witness I've spoken with, the first thing they say when they talk about seeing this dog man, I wish we had a different name for it, but the first thing they always say is, you know, I felt like it was going to kill me. It felt evil. It felt demonic.
That's a scary account. It really is. Tell me 34 years later, you're folks by a ranch. And I know that you guys had seen something out there. We're going back to 2023. If you would start from the beginning and kind of walk me into this whole encounter.
Okay, so my parents, as when they were tired, bought a ranch. It's between 150 to 200 acre ranch down in.
South East Utah. It's called Spring City. Interesting enough, the mountain range that connects with the flaming gorge mountain range and up through a vernal is the same mountain range that connects with my dad's ranch. It also connects with the same mountain range that we'll feed into the skin walker antica familiar with that, which I know you are.
So it's this whole long eastern Utah kind of mountain range. When I say mountain, it's not mountain like if you've ever been to Utah like the Wasatch Mountains. This is more a lot of like boulder fields. So a lot of boulders with sagebrush pine trees.
steep rocky surfaces that's from the ranch from where the the ranch house is to where you know get on a quad and go up there's from the ranch to where the second thing happened is about
40 feet and then to go up to where you get to the top of this first little mountain, it's about, it's about another 30 or so feet. So, again, it was dusk, my husband and I were down there during the summer with my mom and dad just spending a weekend. And my mom and I were in the kitchen just doing dishes, just talking. And
The kitchen has a window that looks up onto the boulder mountain that goes up. And Chief, the Border Collie Dog, started just freaking out. He was losing it and he bolted out of the house.
My mom and I both looked up and I kind of was like, what is that? She goes, oh no, it's a bear. And being terrified that she was gonna get eaten, she ran out after him. So she ran around the kitchen island out to the back porch as she just took off towards where Chief was running. By the time she got out of the house, I saw this thing
go from what looks like a black bear, like a short little black bear to standing up. And this thing looks very different, also similar, but very different than what I saw in Flaming Gorge. This was more of a man with kind of like a
I don't want to say a cone shaped head, but it kind of it just had a weird. Shape to the top of the head, because I remember that distinctly. And so I, when I saw this thing stand up.
I knew instantly what it was. And so I ran out. And like from the first story, I told you my mom tends to be a little hysterical. So I was trying to be calm. I grabbed the shotgun.
and walked out on the porch and I said mom stop and she goes what is it a bear and I said it's not a bear mom stop come back come back mom and by the same time I had walked down and she started to walk back and then I had the gun and that's when this thing in
man it seemed like three steps and I'm not I'm not joking when I say that like three steps it had a face this mountain and and gotten up this 30 foot face of this of this rock and was gone west I mean it was gone
And we got out there and my husband had come out. He actually reminded me of this the other day when we were talking because I wanted to get his side of the story as well. And we got out there. My dad was out there by now. And there's cougars in this area, just for knowledge. We ran into cougars before. We know what they sound like. And he said he heard
what almost mimicked a cougar hiss, but so loud that it echoed through the entire valley. And he said, he goes, did you guys hear that? And my dad has a hard time hearing. He goes, here's what?
And then as it was kind of going up at me to another hiss that was very, very loud, my husband said something along the lines of you had to have heard that. And then by the time it had gotten out of range where we could no longer see it when it was up that mountain.
It was the only way that my husband and I have been able to describe it was this massive fellow loop sound and we're familiar with this now because it happens quite a bit down under ranch. But it was loud and again, echo through the valley. It was like a thunderous noise.
And so we all came back in the, in the rat house. That was, that was it for the night. We were, we were not going to go and look for it. My husband and I said that we would go and do that on the quads the next day. So the next day, me being the one that saw this thing stand up, we went out to where
He was crouching where he stood up and I'm 5'9". My husband's 5'10", we were standing and from where his head hit the top of where his head hit, I couldn't reach it and neither could my husband like reach, you know with our hands we couldn't reach it.
And so I estimate that it was between 10 to 12 feet that somewhere in there. And it was, there was a very distinct, there's not a, I'm not going to say a footprint because it was enough footprint. It was a very distinct hill. It was that heavy, you could see a hill print and then you could see a toe print. And there was, there was dark hair.
Around the area, my husband and I got on the quads and I went at this mountain and we saw hair for a good number of yards and little impressions as we made our way back up. And the interesting thing is this mountain that he jumped up. When you're up there on the quads, this is again interesting about my dad. My dad rarely goes out.
on this mountain and very few of us do even though they own all the land and actually connects to a national park about a mile into it. So it leveled out when you get above this mountain base and then in the distance that's when the tall mountains come into it and it's just all pine trees
You're very exposed when you get to the top where you can go with the quads. And every single person in my family, my siblings and my parents, we have all expressed a feeling that you can feel like something's watching you when you're on top of that mountain, which is why we don't go up there a lot because you feel watched.
Again, it'll be weird where the noises will go silent. Like I described earlier, the forest noises will go silent. And then they'll come back. It's just, it's just.
very odd. So yes, you just had this feeling of being watched so much, so that my dad actually installed, there's no one that lives next to him. There's no, I mean, for miles, there's no one around. And he installed this massive street light on his property. And he also installed these solar lights all across this mountain.
After this experience, those solar lights, which solar lights don't die when they're, you know, getting solar power, they just slowly started disappearing. And so that's when he had the street light put in. And the street light's very close to the ranch where these solar lights were put all across the mountain. And he did that so that
He would be able to see his property. But it's very clear that there's something that doesn't want to be seen out there. So after the solar light started going missing, my dad, my dad raises dogs. He raises some white dogs. They're not the smartest of dogs. They're really sweet. They're really white. They're really fluffy. They look like little snowballs.
And it was December. So this happened in the summer, probably, I would say July or August, where my mom and I saw it from the house. And then in late November, early December, one of the small dogs had just had a letter of puppies the day before. And she would let out to go urinate and disappear.
And when I say disappear, like I said, there have been cougars on this land. You know when a cougar eats something, there's a kill site. These are fluffy white dogs. There's going to be a kill site. There's going to be fur. There's going to be evidence that a cougar
got this dog. And I know how close the cougars come because I have seen one from the porch. I have seen one on the quad. I came around a corner. It's right there. So these cougars get close. So you would see what happens to this dog. And my parents searched for that dog for days, if not a week or more. They searched that mountain on the quads and never found a trace of her.
So after that, my dad installed these alarms. And they're really close to the house. They kind of surround the property. They're an eyesight. And when I say eyesight, because when it's a motion sensor, when something crosses this invisible boundary,
these red and blue lights start just going off and a siren like a police siren starts to well and he has these all around the ranch now very close to where the dogs are very close to the ranch house because the solar lights were going missing along the mountain and so he knew that he needed protection for his dogs and everything down there.
And so it's really interesting, these alarms will go off really only at dusk or in the middle of the night.
And you will be sitting in the house or you'll be sitting on the porch in the summer and they just start freaking out. And it always, again, it's always interesting how quiet everything gets when one of these alarms goes off. Like it's just everything just goes quiet. But yeah, so those are kind of some of the two experiences that I've had with
with these things. Yeah, I feel really bad for your folks being out there and kind of dealing with this. And you know, it really pisses me off when you hear about them killing dogs. I've always said, you know, if one of these things killed my dog, I would disappear from civilization into the forest and I would become the most non-threatening, curious thing on the planet to draw them in. And then I would kill them all and let God figure it out.
Or we can all go together. I wouldn't be trying to prove anything to science, just who the main character is. No need for their stupid samurai chatter or wood knocks for communication. They're going to need a Ouija board to contact their family members that cross my path. And fear and grief can kind of transform into rage very quickly.
I probably burned the forest down after that to flush out any stragglers I missed. The universe would feel me. Am I broken heart for my dog, Teddy? That's for sure. I probably shouldn't have said that out loud. I'm sure I sound crazy. No, not at all. No, it was, it was, it was tragic. It was, it was awful. I mean, these, these dogs are, they're a family, you know, and it's interesting because chief, the Border Collie,
he's so smart and there's a there's a very clear difference between the Samoy dogs and she for chief is kind of the corral or these Samoy dogs they are loving they run up to anything they're they're energetic they're happy and they always come home they always come home
and they don't ever really leave the area. So, yeah, it was clear that something had taken it. Yeah, I'm sorry to hear about your dogs. I hate to hear that. Can I ask you, when you were looking out the window and you guys saw this thing, how far away from you was it?
So about 30 to 40 feet. So it's from the porch, so the kitchen and the back of the house are all kind of connected. So the back door is right next to the kitchen and there's the back porch. And so from where you step down from the porch to where this thing was,
I would say, oh, no, no, sorry, not 30 or 40 feet. I would say 30 to 40 yards about that about that late as space 30 to 40 feet is the mountain that goes up. So it's about 30. I'd say 30 yards. But it was, yeah, so about 30 yards from from where we could see it.
Yeah, that's still pretty close. I mean, you're talking 90 to 120 feet. When you were looking at this saying, did it remind you of that creature that you saw when you were a little girl or did it look different? This was more of a Sasquatch creature. It did not remind me of anything of the creature I saw in a flaming gorge. This was so different.
The build was different. The muscles were different. The color was a little bit different. This one, like I said, it had more of a cone head. It had more of a human-like face. The build of it was different. It was more man than
than the creature I saw, I mean, gorge. They were very different, but this one was definitely more of the Sasquatch that everyone is familiar with, like the one that if you type in Sasquatch on Google and pull it up or, you know, like the Patty, it's like that, except it's the male version, right? It's the male version of Patty. And so it's very a Sasquatch looking creature.
Can I ask you, Jill, your opinion on why you think it came in so close to the house? Cause this is still daytime.
Yeah, so it was right at about desks. So I mean, you could see it. You could see it and you could see it clearly. The sun hadn't set yet. And the only thing I can think of, because like I said, those alarms go off all the time. And so you've got to imagine that it's probably coming close all the time.
For the animals, there's also deer on this mountain. There's wild turkeys that are covering my parents ranch close to the house. There's turkeys everywhere. My dad can hunt off his porch if he wanted to. There's food available. There's dogs. There's a lot of food source down there.
That's the only thing that I can think of because since the alarms have gone up and they're constantly going off when it's hard to see.
where they are. That's the only thing I can think of is that they're coming in either because they were, they're hungry, they're looking for something or they were curious. But this was, this was different when this one, um, this had a very different feeling as well. Like I told you, uh, if Lane and Gorge, it was predatory. It was, it was danger. And this, this was scary. Um, it was scary, but I didn't feel like my,
I don't know. It was a very different feeling. It was almost like this guy was like, oh, OK, they saw me. I got caught. Time to get out of here, right? So a curious food. I don't know. But it didn't feel the danger that I felt as a little girl. And yeah, so I still don't know.
You know, the the hissing noise that you were describing earlier, gosh, it's been years since I've heard that. But as this thing was going up a cliff, was it this thing hissing or was it something separate? No, it was this thing kissing at us, which was so interesting because it was almost like it was mimicking
a cougar hiss. It was, but it was so much louder and it was piercing, but it was hissing and it was hissing because we were, I mean, my mom was coming at it. We were, we were all coming out of the porch. I imagine I had to feel threatened. I don't know if they know what it got our, but I clearly had a shotgun in my hand. Like it was, if it was feeling that it's life was in danger. And so it did,
The meanest thing or the scariest thing that he could do and it was terrifying. It was a hiss and it was two hiss and it was loud and piercing. And that's the only thing that I can think of is it was like, okay, they're coming after me. So I'm going to try to scare them so I can get away as quickly as possible.
Yeah, it's been years since I've heard of that of them hissing or eyewitnesses reporting that. That is fascinating. It would hiss at you. Let me ask you, when you guys were looking at it through the window and it's 30 to 40 yards away, what are some things that kind of stood out to you as far as details? Yeah. So the mass of it, the shoulder, I mean, the
that the shoulder width of this thing, when it stood up, it was huge on top. It was huge. And kind of its gate was really interesting how long his arms were buried along when it stood up. Because when it stood up, I mean, it stood up quick. And it was I'm up and I'm out of here.
But I know exactly where it hit. I know the tree. I know the height that it hit. I can picture it exactly right now. And so yeah, even though it was close because how the sun sets, this is at the back of the ranch and the sun sets on the opposite side. So I couldn't make out clear details of the face.
But the cone head, because I remember, and I say cone head, I don't mean like the show. I mean, like I had just more of a head that came to a slope. So that, and then just the length of its arms, the gate. And when I say gate, it's almost like, I call it a cowboy stance, like it's legs.
looks like it could ride a horse if it wanted to. The way that it stood up was very kind of, you know, like when a bodybuilder will lift his weights up and he pushes the length of his legs out, right? And they kind of broaden out a little bit to readjust the weight from standing up, right? So his gait was very different.
Then I'm comparing it to the to the dogman that I saw before, but just the chest and the shoulders and the arms and the cone shapes had are the things that stand out to me the most. Also, the hair on this was was different. So the one that I saw on flaming gorge
it was just different. You could see more of the tectoral muscles, more of the lats, more, you know, all of that. Like it was, it was very defined. And I'm not saying this wasn't defined. It was just more of just a big, a big creature with a massive chest and big, but it wasn't, it wasn't ripped. Like the thing that I saw on flamingoards, like it,
But it was ripped and this thing was just big and beefy and huge. Was there anything about it that reminded you of a man? Or did it just kind of appear to be kind of a weird looking gorilla?
No, it absolutely reminded me of a human. It reminded me of a very massive man, at least when it stood up. When I say the cowboy gate, I'm not saying like he sways from side to side, it's just that his hips and legs were coming out further.
But it reminds me, like I said, I'm a country girl, I'm raised around the carboys, it reminded me of what a cowboys stands up. But no, it was definitely very humanistic in its traits. It resembled a man very much so as far as if you were to see a
A very big body builder that was kind of lightish brown reddish brown like just different shades of brown right and and mixed with a little bit of red.
It definitely resembled a man while at the same time resembling a creature. And I don't like to compare it to an eighth because it didn't remind me of an eighth or a gorilla. It reminded me more of like a Neanderthal, if that makes sense.
Yeah, that does make sense. You know, since that incident, have your folks heard any strange vocalizations out there, you know, your dad or your mother as far as an animal they couldn't place?
Um, so he hasn't, my mom, my mom has my dad, my dad struggled with his hearing. And so he doesn't hear things quite as well, unless they're, they're pretty close. But my mom has definitely heard things she's seeing things she's seeing.
where it's stuff out there. And my mom doesn't sleep a lot. She's normally, she's one of those people that goes to bed at 4 a.m. and wakes up at 7 a.m. And when it's night at the ranch, it's black. Other than that streetlight that my dad put in, it's dark. And you can hear
everything because there's nothing around you and it echoes in that valley. The house, the ranch house sits in the valley surrounded by those mountains. So it sits in a valley. So if there is something on those mountains or anywhere nearby, you hear it. Many, many times she has heard
whooping in the middle of the night. She has heard in her words, but it sounds like gibberish. I've asked her to explain that, but the only thing that she can explain is it sounds like gibberish.
And a lot of times that gibberish is followed by one of the alarms going off both sirens. So that when she's heard the gibberish, she says it's a lot closer. But when she's heard like whooping or yelling or how she described it, she describes it as a like a guttural noise, like something that you would have to take a deep breath in to get out. But she can hear that.
And she says that it sounds like an echo from wherever it is because it echoes throughout the valley. It's so loud. But those are the things that she's heard.
Yeah, that gibberish. You got to play your mother the Ron Morehead Sierra sounds and kind of see if that's what she heard. You know, a lot of people when they have these things on their property, they will light the place up. And I've had eyewitnesses that have tried that and they'll smash the bulbs out or the lights vanish. Kind of like what's happening to your dad. You know what I'd recommend is is get some trail cams and get them off Amazon for cheap. Don't spend like 200 bucks on them.
And I really think it'll stop them from coming in kind of a goofy theory that they can see the IR light. And you know, your normal wildlife, not this freak show we're talking about here, your normal wildlife season, you'll see where they walk right up to the trail cam. And on some of these trail cams, you can actually from your phone see what set the trail cam off. Many eyewitnesses report these things back and off when people set up trail cams.
That's what, you know, would be my advice. You know, when I was in, uh, Vernal, Utah for Phenomicon, um, I was kind of shocked. Everyone in Utah has seen a UFO. Not everyone's seen Bigfoot, but it seemed like everyone had seen UFOs. And you know, normally when people have these things on their property, um, I won't say normally, generally speaking, most of the time people also see these weird lights. Have you guys seen the lights out there on the property yet?
Yes, so so I wasn't sure if if we were gonna talk about that, but I'm glad you brought that up because when I said that my mom has seen strange seeing that's exactly what she has seen. She has seen weird lights. I have seen and my husband is seeing these two kind of
like a white kind of a white floaty bubble that's white. I don't know how to describe it. But it's white almost see-through, very fluid in motion. That's why I say it's like a bubble. But my mom has seen
red UFO lights. She has seen really weird beams of light in the night. Like I said, she doesn't sleep a lot. And so, yeah, she sees things all night long and she'll see them sometimes up on the mountain. And so she'll just see a bit of light that she has had the experience. One that she told me about with a lot of detail was this red
UFO looking thing with lights that kind of came in a circular manner, red, red lights that kind of went in a circular manner. And that was right above where they put in the street lights. So kind of
between where the Sasquatch was and where the rent house is. It's just kind of open space. You can have a campfire there. It's just kind of open space. There's a lot of my dad farms a lot. So there's a lot of peach trees and everything. So just kind of it's just open land of trees and farmland. And
It just kind of hovered right above there where the dogs or the ranch house were put in this open area. And she said that it stayed for around four minutes. And then as if it was gone an instant, it was just gone. But yeah, it definitely has seen some UFO type things and weird lights and beams and like the orbs that I told you that I've seen.
When your mom said beams of light, was it something going from like the ground to the sky or vice versa?
So I don't know because the beans of light that she has described were up on the top of that mountain's base, right? And so she'll either just be in the kitchen and she'll just notice a white light, right? That if it's like a bebo light, she's never made it clear if it goes from the sky to the ground or the ground of the sky. But she just notices that this bebo light that's there and then it's gone. And then, you know, that's
today explained that okay, like where it's just shot there and then it's gone. But she's never been clear if it goes from the ground to the light because those beams of light that she has seen were mainly on the top of where we went exploring on the quads on that flat land that's up surrounded by the mountains area.
Yeah, and I guess it's kind of, it would be kind of hard for your mom to answer that question. If I saw a beam of light, it's probably happening so quick, I couldn't tell if it was coming up or going down. I was looking at trail cams here. It's a nice one here for 30 bucks. There's one over for 60. And it actually has three IR lights that to a left and right, they go out at a 45 degree angle. And then the third one is trade ahead.
that'll definitely get them to back off. I understand why your dad set up that whole sound alarm to kind of alert him, you know, if something's nearby. But I don't think that alarm is going to scare them off. The trail cam, I think, will
You know, I wanted to ask you, I was going to ask you what you thought Bigfoot was and what kind of what you thought Sasquatch was, but kind of going back to that moment in time when you're a little girl and then now as an adult seeing this other thing. Do you think that there's a relation or a correlation between the Sasquatch and the Dogman? And I realize their appearances are very different, but do you feel like they're they might be related to each other? It's kind of a weird question.
So this is based really on how I felt in those two experiences. Because if we're going off looks, yes, I could see how they could be related as much as we could be related to the Sasquatch, right? So yeah, I understand that. But based purely on what I felt,
The Dogman was a completely different beast than the Sasquatch was. And if they come from the same family, I don't even understand because the feeling and the feeling in the forest, the feeling at the ranch, everything was so
different and such polar opposites. I'm not talking about how they look, I'm talking about how it made me feel. And for one to be able to instill such fear and predation and have such animalistic instincts,
versus one that I almost, it almost came across as being curious or needing something that was down there that, like I said, I didn't feel like it was in danger. So I'm sure, I'm sure Wes, I'm sure that they're related somehow. But I don't know how because
They were so different. And what do I think Sasquatch is? This is obviously my own complete opinion. But I think that they have been around for far longer than we have been around. I think they are smart. I think they are aware.
I think that they are the natural inhabitants of this Earth as much as the Native Americans are. And I think in some sense, we are related to them. I don't know how. I don't know if it's the evolution of some sort. I don't know, but I feel like there is definitely a connection between the way that they've evolved and the way that we've evolved.
So are you thinking they are more human-like and not so much animal-like? So it's something kind of in between. I think that it was probably
that it was probably an animal at some point. I think a lot of it still is the animal. But I think that it's related to humans. I think that we are related in some way. And the reason I felt that way is they are too similar and too aware. At least that's what I felt for them to not be related to us in some way.
Yeah, it's really hard to pin down. Even with appearances, sometimes eyewitnesses will say what I saw looked very human-like. And other times they'll say, no, it reminded them of an animal. And even with their behavior, on Sunday, I'll be interviewing Paul. He's a cop from Louisiana, and he had two encounters. And his first encounter, while terrifying,
you know, he didn't really get a good look at the creature. But Paul and I were talking the other day and I was telling them I was like, man, you know, the behavior that he's describing sounds like something I would do as opposed to a wild animal. But you know, I really appreciate you coming on and sharing these encounters with us. It's been years since I've heard that hissing vocalization
And, you know, give your folks my number, my cell phone number, if they want to call her, your mom keeps the same sleep schedule I do. So I'm probably up. So if she gets worried or whatever, she's welcome to call me. I'm not going to put her on the air, but you know, if I can give her advice or whatever, not that I'll have all the answers, but she's welcome to call me.
Oh, I, you know, that will mean a lot to my parents. Things like that mean a lot to them. That's very kind of us. I will do that. That's that's very kind. Thank you for that. And yeah, thanks for taking the time to do this for me. I have
I have been looking forward to this. Like I said, it makes me still get scared to talk about it. But like I told my husband, these things are real and people need to know about it. And I think what you are doing with your podcast is such a service to humanity. And I don't say that lightly. You are bringing awareness that these type of creatures exist. And for whatever reason,
They are not talked about, they are not being known and the fact that you're doing that and that's the reason why I wanted to come on your show is because I wanted people to know these things are real and they exist and they are out there and they're not just made up stories. These affect people's lives and they have an impact on their lives from the moment they experience them for the rest of their life.
Yeah, I couldn't agree more. Any of my cell phone, if anything else happens, give me a call or shoot me a text, will ya?
Thanks again, Jill. And that's it for tonight, everyone. Remember, if you've had an encounter, shoot me an email. My email address is west at sesquatchcronicles.com. And if you get a chance, check out sesquatchcronicles.com. You can become a member and get additional shows. Until next time, everyone.
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