SC EP:1110 Skating with Bigfoot

It looked like somebody was bent over and had their head in the window of the deer blind. And it either heard me or smelled me. And he pulled his head out of the tent and stood straight up. And that shocked me. They don't make people that big. The way it moved.

Almost as if it was gliding across the beach. I've never seen anything move like that in my life. They were screaming at each other in gibberish. It sounded like a language and they were chunking away back and forwards, back and forwards, back and forwards. I know what a bear looks like and there is no way on this planet that what I saw bears.

Evan, what are you reporting? Jesus Christ, you better. Sheriff, see ya. Hello? Get somebody out here. What's going on out there? I thought of a bitch as about 6 foot 9, I don't know. Do you see a mouser? Yes, I'm looking right at him. Uh-oh.

This is Nick from Vayner Washington, and you're listening to the best Bigfoot podcast out there, Sasquatch Chronicles.

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Welcome to the show everyone. Thanks for being here tonight. Get a great show planned for you. We'll be chatting with Dory. And Dory comes to us from Washington State. She had this encounter back in October, just last month. And I'll let her go into it.

And then we'll kind of wrap up with Renee. Renee wrote a book, Skating With Big Foot. And it's true newspaper accounts in the West over 150 years. It's up on Amazon. If you get a chance, go and check it out. Skating With Big Foot. Let's jump into it tonight. I want a welcome mud. Dory to the show. Dory, thanks for coming on. Oh, thanks for having me.

Yeah. And you had this encounter in October of this year here in Washington. If you would just kind of start from the beginning, what were you doing and what happened? My sister and I were heading over to Yakima from the Seattle area. And we had already started traffic was wasn't too bad. It was pretty clear. So we were heading on the I-90 East. And as we were going,

As I said, traffic wasn't so bad. We were making great time. We did have some road work that we waited maybe five minutes for just before the Snoqualmie pass. And then once we passed the Snoqualmie, we now go into Yakima. It is a pretty easy shot after that. We go up because we passed the summit. And so we were heading down.

I see the sign for Cleallum, which is a little town along the road. And I'm looking to the side. And as I look to the side, you can see the Yakima River intertwined in and out. And I look over and don't say anything. Don't say anything. And my sister and I are speaking, who was driving the vehicle at the time and has done this several several times. We've always lived. She's always lived pretty much in Washington state.

We come across an area just south of Cleallam and it's before engine John Hill. And I look over to my right and I see the river and I see this. Wow, huge person is what it looks like. Looks like it has four or five black jackets on, including a hat.

But the hat wasn't round and it wasn't sharp plane. It was more of the conical shape. And everything was black. The legs are black, which were huge. And the arms were long. And even with the quick glance, it did not appear that it was wearing any shoes. And so I was watching it. And as I continued to watch, it was ambulating.

And as it emulated, it just seemed to kind of glide. As humans, we, as our gate progresses, we on rocky road, we go up and down and we bounce, we go side to side, but it didn't do that. It was just like a smooth walk across the rocks. And then we passed and I said to my sister, I said, wow, that was odd. She was, what did you see? And I explained to her what I had seen.

I then texted my husband. And I told him what I had saw. And I said, I'll talk more about it later. And we saw, we just passed Inja and John Hill. And that's it. The next thing, we both look at each other and we see this overpass. And we said, wow, that's new. And all of a sudden, we just kind of both looked at each other and said,

Where are we? And we were on the I-90 going east past Ellensburg. Now, we've traveled this road several times. And there's always our markers that we see on the store. There's a little vegetable stand. It's huge. It has a gas station. And then past that is Ellensburg.

Well, neither of us recall, seeing Ellensburg. And I looked at the time, my sister looked at the time, it was 1028. I looked at the time that I had texted my husband, it was 1021. And we were, oh, at mile marker 125. And there's no way that you can get from Clealam off the I-90 to mile marker 125. It's 20, 20 miles away or so.

and to do that in eight minutes is kind of crazy. So we were like, what the heck just happened? And we were talking about it. We're both saying, I didn't see Ellensburg. I didn't see Thorpe. I didn't see any of that. And we were in the right-hand side, which automatically at that intersection of I-90 and I-82, which is what we take, you take the I-82. You have to be really not paying attention to take the I-90. It's very,

observant, it's very noticeable I-82. So we were not sure how we got on the I-90 and that time in between. So we had to go to Vantage and turn around. There's another way, but we chose to turn around and go back to the I-82. And sure enough, there was Ellensburg. There was everything else. We catch the 82, which was really easy. And we headed Tiaquemon. We did our errands and the same day trip.

we returned and no other incidents after that. But it was like the time had changed, but we weren't where we normally were. And we never, never have taken I-90 all the way. It's always been I-82. And so it was just, we were still discussing it. And when we did our errands, we didn't say anything. On the way back, we discussed it again.

And then we let her son know and he was like, wow, you saw Bigfoot. I said, no, it was just really huge. That's Bigfoot. And the more, yeah, I mean, it was huge from the roadside. It was dark. There was there was obviously a face because I thought it had a hat on, but it was just solid black.

And so that's what happened. How far away from the car was this creature? Oh, let's see, from the I-90. I don't think it was that far. I'd say maybe 100 yards because it was a really open. It's where the river really is close to the I-90. And I can't recall the mile marker. I really can't. And it wasn't that far.

It wasn't, but when you look at when you see humans that far away, they don't look that large and it was large. You did a pretty good job at describing it, but are there any details that still stay with you today from seeing this thing? I think the massiveness and the fact that it moved so smoothly.

And it's a very rocky area along the river there. And it, it was just odd. There was nothing else around it. There was no other animals. There was no other anything. And it just looked like it was coming from the river and walking, not quite towards the I-90, but walking that way. And it just, as if it didn't have a care in the world, it just was huge. The hand, one hand was

at maybe not quite a 90, I would say a little more than a 90 degree angle on the left and on the right was straight down. And that's how I could tell it was past its knee. It was just straight down. And it again was so massive. You know, I see people a lot. I've taken care of a lot of

patients. And I've taken care of a patient who was 450 pounds. And this thing looks small compared to that, what creature that I had seen. What do you make of not realizing where you were at while driving? Was it just a shock of seeing this thing? No, because it was just myself who had seen it. My sister asked me what I had seen. She was driving. And she, you know, is

She was just totally aghast because that has never happened to her. She knows that road left and right. She used to commute that road on a weekly basis for two years. So she knows it. We know it. It's just where we grew up. So we're not sure what had happened to that time. It's just like nonexistent and the normal milestones and biomarkers

were not there. We don't recall ever seeing them. And that's what was so odd about the experience. I'm not sure what caused that, but the minute I had stated, wow, that was odd. And I described to her what I had seen. And then I texted my husband what I had seen. Once he replied, I replied back. And that was the last text at 1021. And we hadn't gone down

towards Thoropeia. I mean, there's another road that we always look for and we hadn't gone. We hadn't seen it yet. And so it was just like timey laps quicker than normal. Yeah, it's very strange. Um, you know, I know you were kind of into Bigfoot prior to this and, you know, I always say to people, you can believe in Bigfoot all day long, but when you see it, it's very different. When you agree,

Oh, absolutely. I had had a previous experience at some property we owned in New Mexico. In 2011, in August, we had gone camping on our property. We hadn't built it. And it's next to a national forest. And we drove up and I said, oh, my God, what's that smell? And my husband says, I don't smell anything. I said, no, it's very strong and pungent.

And I said, we've had the property for five years at that point and camped a lot. And I said, hey, I don't know what that smell is. And New Mexico, you can always carry open arms. So obviously, we do that when we're there, just because they've got big cats, et cetera. And we're right there next to the National Forest. And we both grabbed a weapon. He grabbed a shotgun.

And as we're walking towards the side of the property closest to the National Forest, we both saw something in the field. And it looked like coyotes, but there was something huge in black. Now, I've seen black bears on the property and how they walk and how they bend over. This was huge and it was bent over on all fours.

And I turned to say, Hey, there is something there. And I turned back and everything was gone. The animals were gone. And that was, you know, split second. Hey, I saw something turned back around and it was gone. So that was the first time I was like, Oh, that's kind of odd. And the rest of the trip went fine. We didn't have any other issues. So go to June of 2012. We were moving to the East Coast. And

We stopped at the property again, the camp. That's what we had planned. It was my final break before having to go back to work. And we camp out towards the back of the property. So it's more woodsy, a little bit more privacy, a little bit more secure. You can see everything coming around. And my husband, we had two dogs at the time, a doxon, a long hair doxon and our havanese. And so he takes the boys for a walk.

And he likes to hike and walk. And so he does that and I stand by and I'm sitting there in my chair next to the tent and I hear pine cones dropping. Well, that's kind of weird. It's not that time of year. I look up, I look around. There's no wind and I thought, well, that's just odd. So I continue reading my book and I hear one come a little closer.

I would not buy a tree, so that was kind of weird. And so I continued to, I looked around, I looked behind me, I looked up in the trees, I looked to my left, I looked to my right, I looked forward, I couldn't see anything. I sat back, I was still sitting, and so I went back to my book, and then I hear my name. Sorry. I looked up, I didn't see my husband,

Story. I looked again. I looked behind me, the whole 360 basically, nothing. And I called out. I said, Sam, where are you? No response. So I picked up my chair and I moved it closer to an open area next to the fence for the next to the National Forest. And I sat there and I looked towards the trees. I looked everything that was previously behind me. And I didn't see anything.

I looked up, I looked to the left, right, et cetera, nothing. And I went back to my reading and I hear it again. I went, what the world? And then I see my husband calling and coming up, walking towards me and I said, hey, did you just call my name? He goes, no. He goes, I just got back. And I said, well, were you calling my name earlier? And he said, oh, I just got back.

I said, OK, well, somebody's calling my name. So we did a walk around the property, didn't see anything. And then the rest of the day went fine. And he goes, well, let's go to sleep. And I said, I'm not sleeping in the tent. I'm not going to do it. I still felt uneasy that something was still watching me. And so we slept in the back of a jeep. And he went to bed. We both were sleeping. I don't know.

It must have been midnight or so, maybe one, two o'clock. And I heard this whistle. And it was a loud whistle. It was, wow, really loud. So I woke up, the docs and then I are awake. And we're looking and we're listening and nothing. So we lay back down and we hear it again. Hear a little bit of shuffling, nothing much. And I thought, well, there's elk on the property. I'm used to elk, but that didn't sound like an elk bugle at all.

And so we kind of just sat for dog and I, poor coffee and I, and all of a sudden you hear a conversation. And I've lived in Asia, so I knew it wasn't an Asian language. And it wasn't a Slavic language because I studied German, so you hear that. And I speak Spanish, so it wasn't a romance language. And it just was just like it was

just out of your earshot of understanding what they were saying. It was low, but it was loud enough that I could hear it. And it was three different tones. So obviously there were three different, I'm not sure what to say at that point, persons, creatures, et cetera, speaking, because they all were saying something different. And you could hear it in the tones, you could hear it in

what they were uttering. And obviously they comprehended each other, but it was like, I can't get what they're hearing. And I'm straining to try and hear it, but I couldn't. And so after that, it was like quiet, and then the conversation again, and then the quiet, and then that was it for the rest of the night. So about four o'clock. And then I just crashed for a while. The next morning, I said,

I think we need to go. And he goes, no, we got another day. And then I got a call from Mark saying, yeah, we need you to report earlier. And I went, okay. So it was my saving grace. And that was, again, in 2012, we hadn't been able to see the property until 2023.

And we stopped there. We were going to camp out again and another situation arose where we had the leave right away. But it was very calm, didn't feel anything, didn't see anything, didn't smell anything. And it was like, wow, I really wanted to stay. So didn't think about it. And then this recent occurrence and is like, okay, so obviously, I think all three times it was a Sasquatch. I really do.

Um, just because of the languages that on your previous shows that I've heard you've played and the smell that's been regarded and just the massiveness of this, uh, creature that I had seen. Man, I know from talking to you off the earth, Dory, you've actually heard the Sierra sounds. Did it sound like Ron Morehead Sierra sounds? Is that kind of what you were hearing?

It wasn't, I pitched like that. It wasn't growly. It was like a conversation between two people, almost as if they were trying to whisper that they were talking. But there was another sound that somebody had recorded and you had played, or they had slowed it down or something. And that's exactly almost just let the edge of your hearing what it sounded like.

I gotcha. So the tone was there, just the cadence was off a little bit. I wanted to ask you, you know, I asked everyone on the show, what do you think Sasquatch is? And after all that weird stuff on the property and then now having this sighting, what's kind of your take? What do you think Sasquatch is? Well, I think it's variable. I think at times it is a live creature.

in order to communicate, in order to have a language, in order to be seen as a solid mass, it has to be a living creature. The fact that it also speaks, regardless of people think it's gibberish or not, it is a language. I think it is part of an existence that

has always been there. You know, we talk Native Americans and the Sasquatch here and the belief of who the creature is. But they don't say it's a creature. They say it is a beam. And that I truly believe. I think it's always been here. It's been here as long as man has been around. I believe that due to

explorers coming to North America that they brought diseases. And so as with many cultures, et cetera, they were dying off because of diseases. And a minute number enough to repopulate had survived. And I think that's what it is. So you're not so much leaning towards it being an animal. I think I need more towards man.

Yeah, their behavior can be very animal-like, but there's a lot of times in their behavior where I kind of stop and go, that doesn't sound like something an animal would do. That sounds like something I would do. Kind of the last question, if you had the chance, would you want to see another one? Yeah, if I could do it for a little bit longer, I would. Of course, the distance was perfect. But I would, just because I think

It's an opportunity to observe something that not everybody gets to see and that they do exist. Um, years ago, when we, I mean, we always grew up with the understanding of Sasquatch originally grew up in Eastern Washington and, uh, you always heard it, right? We, we lived closer to Mount Adams at the time.

And so we always heard the creature. We always knew it existed, but yeah, sometimes as you get older, you kind of go, yeah, maybe. So my husband had asked me one time what I thought the actual existence percentage was. And I said, maybe 5%, maybe because of the rarity, et cetera. And he says, no, I think it's higher than that. And again,

I truly believe it exists and I believe we are encroaching more and more in forested areas and by doing so, kind of pushing them outside their boundaries. But I also believe they're migratory because we never had any experience in the New Mexico area at all prior to this, prior to 2011. And so I think

As you said earlier, they are capable of thought processes and comprehending what's going on and understanding what is occurring around them. I hear you. I wanted to ask you, you know, when you were guys were passing it in the car and you kind of looked over and again, I realized all this happened very quickly. But how tall do you think it was? Oh, at least seven to 80.

It was just, you could just see the size. You know, when you see somebody from a distance, you can see how, you know, how tall they are. You can tell, oh, that's a really short person. And sure enough, you get close and you see that they're short person. I'm a nurse and so we used to kind of grasp, but we would see a patient in bed and estimate their height

and their weight before we would ask family members their height and weight and we would measure or weigh them in a bed and get their weight. And nine times out of 10, mine were more accurate. So there were a couple of patients that we had were six and a half feet tall and I was spot on with them. So I'm thinking it's closer to the eight foot side, if not more. They just was huge.

Yeah, that is huge. You know, I got a buddy of mine. He's six, six and it's like a, he's like a giant. You know, when you're talking another foot and a half on top of that, you know, I really appreciate you taking the time to share this very recent encounter with your sister and a little bit of background about the property out there in New Mexico. I really enjoyed chatting with you, Dory. Thank you so much for coming on.

Oh, thank you. I appreciate it. Thank you for listening. It helps. I can speak with my family, my side of the family. They actually believe me. Hispanic culture, you believe in a lot of different things. But thank you for having me. I really appreciate that. Next up on the show, I want to welcome Renee. Renee, thanks for coming on. Yeah, thank you for having me.

Yeah, we're gonna talk a little bit about your book tonight, Skating With Big Foot. True newspaper accounts in the West over 150 years. It's available on Amazon, just like up skating with Big Foot. Before we go into your book, you have this encounter up at Mount Hood. If you would, would you kind of start from the beginning? What were you doing and what happened?

Yeah, I was probably about 19, 20-ish age. I can't pinpoint the exact year, but my grandmother had passed away and her husband, my grandfather, had passed away many years before. And so we were just kind of on this family nostalgia trip to go up to the Mount Hood area because it's an area where my grandfather had

grown up in his family. When he was a boy, they were sheep herders. They spent a lot of time in the Mount Hood Forest and he had a baby sister who'd been buried up there in this little kind of makeshift cemetery. And we had all these other spots that we used to go as kids.

Um, with him to go huckleberry picking and so on. So, um, we just kind of went on this trip up there one day. Um, just through some stuff in the back of the van. Um, my boyfriend's van saying, Hey, maybe we'll camp for the night. Uh, you know, if it gets too late, but we were just going up, my mom was with us. We were just kind of driving aimlessly down different roads to try to find these places. And we, we didn't have the location and this was,

Of course, before cell phones, GPS, all of that. So we were just trying to go, trying to go on memory. And we just kind of zig zagged our way into the forest. And, you know, we'd take a right here and a left there and turn around there. And next thing you know, we find ourselves really deep in and the sun was starting to go down. And so we decided to just go ahead and stay for the night. And we really didn't have supplies other than we'd thrown in some blankets and a tent.

And we didn't even have anything to build a fire. We didn't have anything. We were really not prepared at all. But we just decided to call it a day, get up early in the morning, and went to sleep early. And I'd say a few hours later, I woke up just freezing cold. And it was either that or the sounds woke me up. But I woke up to what I thought were gunshots.

Echoing across kind of this shallow canyon, we had put our tent. We just parked our van in the middle of the road because we hadn't seen cars in hours. I mean, hours up there. I mean, we were really in a desolate spot and we weren't even worried that anybody would come along and need the road. We just parked around in the middle of the road and there was like this little patch of grass kind of between the road and the canyon where we had pitched the tent.

So in the night, when I heard these sounds, I first was annoyed thinking, you know, why is somebody shooting off guns when we're sleeping? Of course, you know, a second later, I realized, oh, yeah, we're in the middle of the forest. There are no campgrounds anywhere near here, not even close. And I was really shocked at how someone could get up there where we were.

And then I was really afraid because it was really dark and you could barely see your hand in front of you. And I remember thinking, I hope they don't, you know, shoot us accidentally, you know, and I just thought that maybe they were up there just kind of partying and shooting cans or targets or something like that. But.

Then I became really afraid because it kept going and going and I didn't hear any other sounds. And I started thinking, Oh my gosh, you know, I hope somebody didn't follow us into the forest because it had been quite a few years earlier, but someone had been shot in their tent up at a lake on Mount Hood and they never found the person who did it. They had just driven up, shot a person in their tent and drove off. And so I honestly started getting fearful that maybe somebody had followed us in or something, although we never saw anyone or anything.

But once I started to wake up and sat up and realized that it really wasn't gun shots I was hearing. It was more like these huge kind of sounds of wood hitting wood. And I would describe it as like a major league baseball player hitting a home run. But like times 100 are really loud.

And the sounds were coming. Not, I realized it wasn't just one location. It was like a quadrant is what I would say. So it was probably maybe it wasn't, I would say it's like maybe 180 degrees or a little less. So it was kind of off the side, but definitely not one location. And then I was really afraid and thought I should probably wake everybody up in the tent. But

You know, I'm of course thinking, you know, nobody's coming towards us. I just kind of strained my ears. I didn't see a car. I didn't see lights. I heard no cars. I was listening for voices. I heard no voices. I heard nothing other than these sounds kept going like every minute or two minutes. It'd be like, whack. And then,

little while later whack and it on and on. And I thought, well, if someone's going to come over here and do something to us, you know, there's really not much we can do. We didn't have a weapon at all. We were so ill-prepared. We had nothing, literally nothing but ourselves.

Um, and so I guess I just, uh, my mind kind of came up with the scenario and I figured it must be boy scouts. It's all I could come up with that it had to be a large group of people or you know, and they had come up and they were maybe practicing baseball, um, which is ridiculous because we were so far in the forest. Obviously there's no baseball field. There's no field. It's pitch black and We were so remote that I mean, it's it's really not even

you know, probable. But I, it's all I could come up with. And I didn't even consider Bigfoot a real possibility back then. So that thought never entered my mind at all. I laid in my tent. I was still very afraid. And no one woke up strangely. I didn't wake them up because

I guess after a while, I figured no one was coming for us, which was kind of my biggest fear. And so eventually, I just fell asleep. I don't know how, but I did. And the next morning, I told my family about it, hey, did you guys hear that? Did anybody hear? And no one had heard it. They slept right through it, which is shocking, but they did. So it was just very strange, very strange.

I know this happened too many years ago. At what point did you kind of look back and go, I wonder if that's what that was. I wonder if it was these creatures.

You know, it's not until like, I'd say the past 10 years, like this was over, you know, like 30 years ago. It was just like in the past 10 years when I've really kind of gotten into learning about Bigfoot, listening to your podcast, other podcasts, you know, watching all these videos. I mean, I've gone down the rabbit hole. As I mentioned to, you know, I've written a book about accounts in the past that I found, but it's

Just something that occurred to me kind of like a light bulb went off in my head and I could never understand where those sounds were coming from in the middle of nowhere. I mean, the middle of nowhere. And I thought, could it be like wood knocks? You know, back then I had never heard of such a thing. I didn't know anything like that. And

Honestly, I think it could be. I don't have any other explanation for it. We never saw people again. We didn't see people up there. We saw no signs that people were up there. And I mean, we had been on roads all day long, like gravel roads, dirt roads, just, you know, roads that are not traveled very often up there.

very remote location, and I could never find this place again if I had to, because we just kind of meandered our way down one road after another and ended up at this spot. Yeah, up there in Mount Hood, it's not hard to get lost or be out in the middle of nowhere very, very quickly. You wrote this book skating with Bigfoot. True newspaper accounts in the West over 150 years, and it's up on Amazon. What kind of made you want to write a book about this?

It's because I kind of went down the rabbit hole like I was telling you. You know, I love the topic. I love your show. I love hearing people's stories. And, you know, my real interest in this was kind of peaked many years ago before my Mount Hood experience even when I was driving up to the Puget Sound area with a friend to visit her dad's cabin.

And she, it was about one in the morning, we were driving along and we were on this, you know, another kind of desolate road that headed out there. And there's this grassy marshy area and she pointed to a spot in the grass and kind of confided in me that she had seen, she and another girl on a previous trip had seen, you know, had seen a Bigfoot standing there.

like it's been a couple of weekends before. And I didn't really want to talk about it too much. I didn't ask her a lot of questions back then, strangely. Back then, once again, I didn't even think it was a possibility that this was real. So I just kind of had that's interesting, but it really planted a seed. And of course, you know, over the past 30 years, I mean, I've

You know, gotten really into it. But the book has all these really fascinating accounts of a Bigfoot that showed up, for example, in the early 1900s and chased away ice skaters on the Pont New River in Idaho.

And this was when people were still using wagons, and they jumped in their wagons, they took off, they got away from it, and a hunting party of 20 men came back later to find it. And it was long gone, but they did find tracks in the snow.

That was just one of the stories that I found when I was doing the research that I just was blown away by this. You know, I found so many fascinating stories. Yeah, skating with Bigfoot. If you get a chance, go to Amazon and check it out. I ordered a copy of it. I really enjoy reading old newspaper accounts of what people were seeing, you know, a hundred years ago.

I was blown away, really. And that's why I had to write this book and put it because I just started researching and I guess I got lucky. It was like finding the needle in the haystack. But I was going through old databases and I, because my whole thought was, you know, people always say, well,

If they're, if Bigfoots are real, then why are there accounts from the past? I've heard people say that so many times. And I myself thought, well, yeah, there are accounts from the past because Native Americans have been talking about Bigfoot forever.

But those stories are hard to get from those communities because usually they share information, you know, they pass down from generation to generation, not so much written stories. But I still thought, you know, with all the newspapers that existed back in the day, well, that newspapers used to be the only form of communication, you know, somebody had to have written something. And so that's what got me thinking.

I was shocked by what I found. I mean, the stories that are out there, there are fascinating stories and there are tons of them out there that have been printed in newspapers going back to the time of Abraham Lincoln.

Yeah, there is a lot of accounts. The frustrating part, though, is once you get past like 1960 and before, you won't find Bigfoot or Sasquatch. You got to figure out what the locals called it, the Creek Bottom Monster or the Wildman of whatever mountain they're next to, which is kind of frustrating at times.

Yeah, you're exactly right. And that's how I found it under all kinds of different names. They called it Harryman, Monster Man, one newspaper from 1880 called it the Demon Monarch of the Forest. And that was my favorite one, the Demon Monarch. That says a lot. Yeah, I'd like to hear some of the accounts from the book. Is there one or two that kind of stay with you or really stuck with you when you're researching this?

Oh my gosh, yes, there's so many. Where do I begin? I think people would be really interested in this one. There was one that I wanted to share with you because I've heard you say so many times on your show mention Fort Lewis in Washington State.

And there've been a lot of accounts, I guess, that have come out of there in modern times. And I was blown away. I found an account from 1876. So that's 148 years ago. There was an account of a man named R.W. Hall, of course.

That wouldn't mean anything to us, but that was his name. He described towing a boat up in the Puget Sound and he came up and he was towing it specifically in Woodward's Bay.

And he, and that's, you probably know, but that's like a short distance from, you know, Fort Lewis. Anyway, he was towing it and he said that he saw something moving in the grass on the beach. And he said his back was covered with light hair about an inch and a half long. At first he thought, you know, it was an animal. And as he approached, he realized that he described it as a boy about three feet high who stood up

And he described it as being quite small, but its body was covered with hair and he described the hair on its head as being longer. He said, the strange creature had been laying under the log until he was just within a few inches of it. And then he said it ran away with such speed that he couldn't keep it in view. And he referred to it as an it. So not like a human.

So I found that one really fascinating because I've heard you talk about Fort Lewis or you know the listeners talk so much about you know, Fort Lewis. And there was one report too that they described it as having the agility of goats as how they put it. And they described in one account that they were literally scaling up a rock face. And there's another account in the book that

This is one that really blew me away, too, that they're describing at one time a group of people saw these creatures sasquatches straddling logs to cross a river. And I had never heard that before, so I thought that was really interesting. Yeah, that is interesting. And most of the encounters are here in the Pacific Northwest, correct, like Washington, Oregon, Idaho.

Yeah, exactly. And honestly, I didn't go into California at much at all. Maybe there's one short story that I couldn't resist putting in. But it's because I felt like there's so much from the Pacific Northwest already. And I wanted to include Southwest Canada because there's so much that happened just between the border or near the border of Washington State and Canada.

Um, so many different accounts have come out of there that, um, you know, they ended up getting printed in, you know, papers in the States, especially in Washington state. But yeah, it focuses on the Pacific Markless mostly. I found of all fascinating, but.

There's a few that are, I guess, a little extra fascinating. One is, I think most people at least are up on Bigfoot stories of the past, of course, know about the ape canyon incident in 1924. You can probably describe it better than I can, but where the Sasquatch is supposedly attacked a cabin belonging to a bunch of miners who were up there trying to establish a

land claim. And for what I remember of the story, they gave up their land claim pretty much and left and abandoned it. And I know there have been people who've written books about this and I even saw a documentary where a couple of people went back to try to find the cabin. I mean, it's long gone, but they thought they found it. Anyway, this was in 1924. And of course, this is like well-known, fascinating story out of Oregon, 20 years earlier.

20 years, near the town of Sixes, which is east of what is now Cape Blanco State Park on the southern Oregon coast, there was a report of, they called it the Sixes Wild Man. And the title of the story was, the newspaper story, was Sixes Wild Man visits the cabins of miners and frightens the prospectors.

And the author of that story wrote that for 10 years, stories have come out of Coos County that described what they called a wild man or in a terrible monster which walked erect is how they put it. And they said that lots of miners and gold prospectors had seen it. Well, in this particular article came out, which was April 17, 1904, they reported that the Bigfoot had been or Bigfoot had been seen three times in three weeks in this particular area.

And so the article goes on to talk about this man, two men, of course, their names wouldn't mean much to us, but one man's name was Ward and another was Burleson. And it said they were sitting by the fire inside their cabin one night when they heard something walking around the cabin that resembled a man walking. It then came to the corner of the cabin, took hold of the corner and shook it vigorously.

They then said that the creature made a frightful noise and they said they'd heard it before in the woods.

And one of the men, Mr. Ward, walked to the cabin door and he could see it. He said it could see it plainly and it walked away. He shot at it with his rifle, but he missed. Now, the story isn't clear on the timeline, but it goes on to say that sometime later, a Sasquatch also showed up at Mr. Ward's friend's cabin in about five in the morning and did the same thing.

It said that Ward opened the door and fired his gun and missed again. In retaliation, apparently, the Bigfoot hurled a four-pound rock towards Ward's head. He missed. Then the Bigfoot fled to the woods.

And the article says, I'll read what it says here, have it, it says, many of the miners avow that the wild man is a reality. They've seen him and nowhere have they speak. They say he is something after the fashion of a gorilla and unlike anything else in either appearance or action. They also go goes on to say that he can outrun or jump anything that has ever been known.

Yeah, the Sixes Wildman is a pretty famous case. There's many, many people that saw that creature. And you'd mentioned the miners up at Mount St. Helens. They'd actually made a pack before they left that they weren't going to tell anyone about what happened, not even family. And so they all kind of go their separate ways. And people are wondering how it ended up in the Columbian, which is a local newspaper.

And one of the guys came down, a Camberford was Willand or Castle Rock, goes into a bar, starts drinking, and spills his guts on everything that took place up there on the mountain. And that's how it actually got out in the, the Columbia and the newspaper. When you were kind of going through all these accounts, was there anything about their behavior that kind of surprised you?

Well, the only thing I would say that surprised me was how similar it is to today's accounts. I mean...

It's almost identical to everything eyewitnesses report today, which to me really lends credibility to it. You know, I mean, it's just everything from the way they describe how it's so agile and bounds away. And they, you know, it's their one minute gone the next, you know, it'll just bound off into the forest. And they described in some of the reports the long arms, they described, you know, like it,

They describe how it seemed to be curious in so many of the reports. There's a report from, gosh, it's like a right in the 70s near Albany, Oregon. A mint farmer had seen one. Lots of people were seeing them at a certain timeframe in the 70s. And one even reportedly jogged along this farmer's truck for a while and looked in.

And he said that he, it just seemed, you know, lives like very curious. I mean, it's just like the stories that you hear today are very similar. The one though that seemed that stood out as being really different was the one where they were straddling logs. I never heard of that. There was one that was as late as 1980.

And I mean, that is not ancient history, at least not to me, that I'm older. But it was a group of teenagers who were parked along the Sandy River. They made a late night McDonald's run, and they were parked sort of like near the, you know, small town of Corbett in the Columbia River Gorge, kind of that general area. And they saw one come out

The first I thought it was a bear. It stood up. They realized it wasn't a bear. And one of the girls just said, you know, in the article, he seemed very calm and at peace. And it seemed like he was studying us is how she put it. So I just thought that was really interesting. I've heard that before too.

Yeah, that doesn't surprise me at all. The Sandy River is actually notorious for sightings. A lot of people go missing in that area as well. You know, I ask everyone on the show, what do you think Sasquatch is? What's your take? What do you think it is? Especially after reading all these different articles?

One take is, you know, based on all the reports I've heard, I think it's a real flesh and blood creature. And I think that because, you know, I've heard stories about sass watches that seem to be maimed in some way or injured. I've heard reports. One was in the book that I wrote about, you know, a white one that was showing up. And it could have been white, but it could have been maybe it was going gray. There's so many reports of them looking for food.

And it just kind of, and they've also, as you know, there've been a lot of reports of, you know, people who've seen smaller ones or even family groups. So to me, that says, that sounds an awful lot like an animal, you know. But.

There's no doubt that they must have some extra, I'm going to call it extra sensory perception. And I don't mean like they can read minds. I don't mean I just mean like extra sensory like a dog has extra good hearing and can hear things that we can't. I think their senses are way sharper, way better.

You know, animals, I think of this sometimes, you know, there's lots of reports of animals who can predict earthquakes or start acting weird before an earthquake and doesn't make any sense because you can't predict an earthquake. But clearly they're picking up on something. They're dogs, you know, that can sense, you know, seizures before a person has them. And somehow they pick up on something. I mean, a human could never do that.

So I think they have some sort of extra perceptions that we don't have for sure.

And that's why I think it would be very, very difficult to catch one. And I think that's what we, no one has caught one up until now, but there have been reports of people shooting them. And there is, you know, there's another report in the book that I wrote about a guy in the dowels, Oregon, who shot one in the face in the 70s and he was out rabbit hunting. And he reported that it really didn't do much to it as he put it. It just kind of made it

you know, go back a bit and didn't really harm it that much. So I hope someday we'll have something more definite. That's what I'm hoping in my lifetime, but I think it's going to be really difficult.

And again, the book is called Skating With Bigfoot. True newspaper accounts in the West over 150 years. And I don't know if you came across this or not, Renee. Sometimes you get the argument from people. Oh, they were just writing these for what we would call today, like clickbait. I don't think so. You read these old articles and they read like factual events that happened to someone.

No, I agree with 100%. And I say that in my book, like in the forward, I point out that, sure, you know, people are people through the ages, is my opinion. Like, are there pranksters in the old days? Sure. Are there people who would tell, tell, tell, tell, tell, you bet. But this.

These details are so credible and the way they describe it. And a lot of these were really upstanding people in their community. And there was one particular article where the author of the story was sort of vouching for the guy who told the story. Like, you know, these were small communities. So everybody knew everybody.

So, you know, he knew the guy that had gone off and told the story. And he said, or came back and told the story of having seen a Bigfoot. And he said, you know, this man is considered one of the most honest men in this area. You know, he's an outdoorsman. He spent all his life in the woods. And he's the most upstanding character. He doesn't drink. He's not one to tell tall tales. But he said, you know, this is what he reported. So it was like he was vouching for him that this is a real story.

Yeah i found the stories very credible. Yeah i agree in most of these accounts it's not some random person it's like you know our town doctor saw this saying.

Exactly. And there are people like, there was one account from 1933 out of Seaside, Oregon. And I mean, the guy, he was one of the men who saw a Bigfoot was a part of a search party. And he was the city attorney at the time. And I mean, he's quoted by name. And you think back in those days, I mean, that would really ruin your reputation if you

I mean, you know, why would somebody make up a story and then come back to town and tell it? I mean, you know, you don't need to make up a story if you're the seaside city attorney and you went into the woods to look for some people who've gotten lost as part of a search party. I mean, you just think how ridiculous that would be. And in that particular case, there were two other men in the search party who also saw the Bigfoot at different times.

different sightings when they were looking for these people who've gotten lost. So I find all the stories really credible that I came across. Yeah. Yeah, I can't wait to check out the book skating with Bigfoot. True newspaper accounts in the West over 150 years. You can get it on Amazon. Renee, thank you so much for coming on. I really enjoyed chatting with you.

Yeah, thank you so much for having me and I really enjoy talking to you and I want to thank you so much for your podcast because I can't tell you how many times I've been listening to it in the car or while making dinner and it makes those jobs super enjoyable. So thank you so much.

I appreciate that. Thank you so much for the kind words. And that's it for tonight. If you want to remember if you've had an encounter, shoot me an email. My email address is Wes at sasquatchcronicles.com. And if you get a chance to check out sasquatchcronicles.com, you can become a member and get additional shows. I will see everyone after Thanksgiving. I want to be the first to wish you happy Thanksgiving. I'll be spending with family and friends.

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