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Markle? I guess it's time to go back in time. Are you telling me you built a time machine? Kind of a DeLorean? Time is better stop and illusion. I have a lot of memories of the past. People are time traveling within themselves. Time travel is possible.

So I was watching this video on the great reset and, you know, just doing a little bit of a dig and watching what they're putting out as propaganda. And I came across this video with Prince Charles talking and it kind of caught my eye just the way they had it formatted and obviously the cinematic value of it. And as I was watching, I started seeing how they took words like rethink, reimagine, redesign, reinvent,

revolution, all these words with RE in front of it, and was kind of playing it with the idea of reset, great reset. But what caught my eye was the fact that they used a colon to separate RE from the S-E-T.

It was almost like they were doing it on purpose. I mean, clearly they were doing it on purpose because they wouldn't have done it if they didn't mean to do it. But what would be the purpose of separating the RE from the S-E-T? And then with the other words as well, like rethink, redesign, reinvent, reimagine. Like why not use just the whole word as it is?

to relay your point. Why do you need the colon there? So just something stuck out in my head and I started thinking about the ancient gods of Egypt and the God Ray and the God set.

Now I went and looked it up because it just kind of all came to me at one time and I just wanted to make sure that I was thinking clearly as far as my memory goes. But sure enough, there it was. So the God Ray, R-E or Ra, R-A that he was referred to as both, that was the God of order. He was the God of the sun, order, kings and the sky.

And so I went and looked up the God set, the ancient God set. And set is a God of deserts, storms, disorder, violence and foreigners. Now, I started thinking disorder, chaos.

And I was pretty sure that I remembered hearing about set being referred to as the God of Chaos. So I kind of did a little bit of digging there, and sure enough, in Egypt, set was one of four gods that was considered a god or a deity of chaos. So what do we have here? We have Ray, R-E, the God of Order, and we have Set, S-E-T, the God of Disorder, Chaos.

Order out of chaos. What have we seen happening in all of 2020? We've seen chaos and out of that chaos they have been giving us order, telling us exactly how to live our lives, what to do to get through the chaos. Problem, reaction, solution.

They're putting it right in front of our face as to what they're doing, and we don't even see it. These people, these elites who run this world who are making all the decisions for us, they worship the gods of old, the ancient pagan gods.

They worship them, they always have, and they always will. Just like at CERN, they have the statue of Shiva, the god of destruction right outside on the front lawn. They put it in front of your face because they know that you're not either going to get it or you're too lazy to do something about it. These people claim to be people of science. They claim to not believe in gods or the supernatural, but they put it right in front of our faces.

the narrative that says they actually believe the opposite of what they're telling you to believe. They tell you not to believe in God. There's no such thing as a God. It's foolishness to put your faith in a entity, a deity that you can't touch and you can't see.

But for a group of people who tell everybody else how to live their lives and how foolish it is to believe in a God, they certainly do put a lot of emphasis into the idea of gods in their practices, in their science. They try to combine their gods, their supernatural worldview with their science. To me, that sounds like alchemy, combining science with magic.

with the supernatural powers of another realm. To me, it sounds like our scientists, our great leaders and world elites, are much more theistic than they are atheistic. The great reset. The great order out of chaos. The great ray out of set.

This was all circulating around the base that a giant had been killed, but no one was supposed to talk about it. I saw three long, bowing fingers reach up underneath the door, hurl up to grab it, and then disappear. When he came over to me, dude, he slithered over to me. And this giant comes out of the cave and they're all frozen.

And he starts running and firing up this giant. With a giant move, he's got a spear. In one hand, he's running really fast, and spears, Dan, and pulls him up like this. Somebody else, shoot him in the face, shoot him in the face, they basically decapitated him. That person, that person, that person, when he got about 15 yards away from me, I raised that 4-gate, and I blow this head off.

I feel something pulling at my leg. And I look over and there are two small gray entity pulling at me. And literally I'm getting pulled off the bed. I reach my hand into this bush and I touch air. Couldn't breathe. And it couldn't move. Because I know I'm seeing a monster. OK, I reload it!

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You know, this guy has a lot more to say. This conversation is going great. Let's do a whole other segment. And we're going to put that on the website for the members called Overtime. So members, if you go to the website right now, look in the membership section, you'll see a page called Overtime. And there you'll hear the second hour of this episode, which is fantastic.

Now this week we have Michael coming on the show in the first half of this show which is the public show we talked to Michael for an hour about his paranormal experiences of seeing this UFO as a kid and then having his experiences with other people in his life and all the people that he had this experience with excluding his wife have died like people are dropping like flies and it's very weird and I asked him during the interview do you think you and your wife might be next and

He didn't really have a great answer. He's hoping not, obviously, but it's something that he definitely thought about. This is a great interview and I think that there's a lot of things that we can gain from listening to Michael's story because it really helps us connect dots that I don't think we would be connecting if he didn't share his story. And then in the overtime segment that we're launching on the website,

He goes into more UFO experiences, but then he goes into this experience and we weren't planning on talking about this, but he had this experience where puppies were going missing off the property, find them out in the woods next to a pile of sawdust and mushrooms. And as we were talking more about this and the details he revealed, it sounded a lot like big

foot and I'm not saying it was Bigfoot but it really had a lot of patterns that led to the idea that maybe there was a Bigfoot on the property that he didn't know about and he didn't even think about till I brought it up but it was a great conversation with Michael the first half the overtime part and I know you guys are gonna love it so let's get to Michael right now.

All right, today we got Michael on the show. Michael, how you doing, man? Pretty good. How are you? Dude, I'm doing good. So I'm really interested in hearing about this experience you had or experiences, but I want to let the audience know that what they're about to hear is a story that involves many different people from different times, like not like eras, but like people that had these experiences at a very specific location or an area.

Uh, but at different times and they kind of all kind of correlate together and, uh, some deaths involved. It's, it's really, I'm intrigued and I don't even know the whole story yet. So Michael take it away man and share with us, uh, some of these experiences. All right, man. I really, I appreciate you. Um, let me come on the show. So, um, first thing I'll do is start off like, uh, the first, like UFO experience I ever had, I was,

I'd say I was probably around nine or 10 years old when I was in the car. And all this takes place, like I said, where I live, like in this small little area. And we were driving along and I think we were on the interstate maybe, actually almost home. And I just happened to look out the side window and I seen this weird shaped UFO kind of look like a, and I call a UFO because I had no idea what it was. It looked like a Pontiac symbol.

I don't know if you know, if you're familiar with how that shape is, but you could see the lights, you know, all around it. Like you could see that weird shape. So I'm like screaming a mom and dad. I'm like, Hey, look at this thing. Look at this thing. And it was really low. And it was, it was moving kind of like slow, like a lot slower than like an airplane or something. So dad, he looks out and sees it. And he's like, Oh, I don't know what that is. And, you know, he's driving. So he couldn't really look at it. And my mom, she kind of does the same thing.

me being little kids I'm like crawling around all over the back of the van like checking this thing out and it turns and starts going south behind us and I'm looking out the back window at this thing just kind of watching it like slowly move away and as it gets further and further away it starts glowing like this green color and like mine could feel like my heart like

Skip a beat like it. You know that feeling like where you get kind of startled. I was like what is going on and it flashed really bright and it just shot off like so fast and it was like a It left like a green like streak behind it just for a split second and then the streak kind of faded away and That pretty much changed me from then on like that. It scared me so bad like I was speechless and

It took me a while to even tell mom and dad like what just happened and I'll never forget it. I'll never forget that but Anyway, that's gonna tie in like I said to what I'm gonna tell later But a lot of this story surrounds a really really good friend of mine and he was like the brother to me And I don't want to say his name, but we'll just call him bill But me and bill used to go

We'd go hunting together and camping and our families have known each other since we were babies. And it's just been one of those things where we were just might as well say we're a family. And he would tell me things sometimes like that, that bothered him and stuff that he didn't want to tell other people because he knew he could trust me and I wasn't going to, you know, make fun of him or, you know, think anything weird.

I remember he was a few years older than me and I was probably I don't know 16 at the time and he had a he had a factory job and He had we were camping and he started telling me he's seen something at his work and It really bothered him freaked him out And I was like well, you know, you can tell me what what's up, man? And he said well he said he didn't want to say I

You know too much about it to anybody else, but he was standing there his machine working and he looked up in the person across from him had this huge black figure standing behind him like complete like like a He described it like completely black silhouette with red eyes and

You couldn't see any like real details about it, but you could tell. I mean, it was a figure obviously, but you couldn't see any details set for the eyes. And he said it really freaked him out and he thought, man, you know, I'm seeing things or, you know, I've been here too long, you know, whatever. It was really hot to the place he was working at was really hot. So he starts thinking, you know, rationally, like I'm getting too hot or whatever. And he said he looked back down, started doing his job again and kind of, you know, wiped his eyes and he looked back up.

and he was still there. So then he said he began to look to the left and to the right and he could see like everyone in the factory had one of these things behind him like following him like people if there was anybody walking like there was one of these things like just walking behind him and he he began to tell me like he had never seen anything like that before and it it really freaked him out and

You know, he didn't know what was going on. So he ended up like obviously he quit the job. He was like, I'm not going back there. Whatever. So some, some time goes by and I always thought about that. Like I didn't know what, what that man or what that was or anything. And keep in mind, I forgot to tell you like we were, we grew up in church, like we were Christians and we, you know, we all had pretty much the same viewpoint on everything. And so I mean, stuff like this is like,

It's, it's not unheard of, but it was like really strange to be hearing from somebody who's that close to you, you know, that if you've never anything happened like that. So anyway, he begins to, uh, he actually started dating a cousin of mine. And this was like some time after this and all these store, like, like I said, these parts of this are from his point of view, but him and my cousin,

had went out to this place and it's called elk creek and it's a like a public fishing area there's like a there's like a dam on one side and there's like a boat ramp and you know it's like a little you're not really supposed to have like gasoline powered boats or anything like that but you can have like electric motors and stuff and a lot of people go fishing out there and there's some trails in the woods anyway him and her went out there one evening and

They were, it was starting to get dark and like a bunch of people had left. So it was just them. And he said, as they was getting back in the truck to go home, they were getting ready to leave. It was dark. It was starting to get dark. He looked over into the woods. He could see this like a light coming out of the corner of his eye. And when he looked over, he said it was what looked to be an angel standing there.

And he said, oh no, you know, I'm seeing stuff again, like this is happening again. So he got in the truck, she didn't see anything. So he got in the truck and he said, I just wasn't going to say anything, we're just going to drive home. You know, so he starts a truck and they start leaving. And he says that he's driving. And this is the part that I thought was really strange. He looks over and this angel or whatever this figure is, he said it was an angel, is like flying

beside the truck, like just looking at him, like right outside his driver's side window. So he's seeing all this, you know, and he's thinking, what does she see this? Like, am I losing my mind? Am I doing crazy? Like, what is going on? So he ends up, he comes home and he said when he got out of the truck, he kind of lost sight of this figure for a minute and it was gone. He thought, okay,

Well, as he's starting to come around to the side to let her open the door and, you know, let her make sure she gets in, he sees this figure again. And he's standing by there. He had a big tree in his driveway, like to the left of his driveway was massive, huge tree. And this thing is like standing there beside the tree. And he said, he told her just going in the house, I'll be in in a minute. And as he started to walk up to this thing, which he said he was shaking and

Quivering but it was something just drawing him to it. He said that it telepathically Somehow he don't know but they said it wasn't talking but like it in his mind. It told him His name and it said his that it was an angel, but I don't know if it was the angel, but he said his name was Michael and He said I've come to show you a few things and he said you've been

Basically, I don't know how he described it. I can't remember exactly what he said, but he had been shown things for a reason. And he said, walk, walk up to the house. I want to show you something. So he had this huge window where his front porch was like just massive window went from top to bottom. And I don't know, so many feet across. And he said when he walked up to the window, he could see

Inside the house and you know, it was like he was kind of like nobody knew he was there looking but he could see what was going on and he seen my cousin and There was all these those black figures that he had seen before They were in the house like just wandering around everywhere and this is his house And he said that when my cousin turned and kind of looked towards the other rim

there was this like black demon like figure like coming out of her back and it was like coming out of her back and like reaching around like her shoulder like like just latched onto her and when he went to ask Michael or the angel what he what this was like what do you show me he was he was gone so

He ended up telling me about this, and I mean, he would cry when he told me about this stuff, and there's no way I would never doubt it for a minute that any of this happened. And nobody knew, like, man, we didn't know what to think of it. Like, I didn't know, was it just something that he, you know, seen and just maybe it was nothing will ever come of it? We didn't know. So nobody mentioned it to anybody else.

And he knew that I wasn't going to say anything, especially to my cousin. So later on, fast forward, um, my wife and I that I had my wife now back then we were dating and we got together with him to go fishing and we was going to hang out on the other side of Oak Creek, which is a place I was talking about. And the only way to get there is to take a boat.

or like you can walk it's really far walk if you go down on the dam side. So we had a little flat bottom boat with a trolling motor and we was going to do some catfish and then just like hang out all night. So we get the boat loaded up and we make like one trip across and take a lot of our gear and we come back across and you know we grab the rest of our stuff and as we're coming across this lake

And this is something we all three seen. This flash goes across the sky. And you can imagine if you're on a lake, there's like no obstruction of your vision. Like there's as far as in the sky, there's no mountains or anything. It's just wide open sky, you know, night sky. And this flash, it shoots across from the direction I was looking. It shot from the left to the right, went all the way across the sky.

And it was enough to catch our attention. And we all kind of looked up and immediately I've seen this board or like UFO, I don't know what it was. It was a humongous, the best way I can describe it was like a, like a Christmas tree ball, like a Christmas tree ornament. You could, you could see through it, but you could also tell that it was, you know, circular and like a sphere.

And it had one little section that was like a dark circle, and the rest of it was like a lighter color, like almost like a blue-green or something like that. But anyway, this thing, and we're looking at this thing, because I mean, like I said, this flashlight happens, and it caught our attention and we look up, and there's this thing and it floats.

to right over the center of the lake, like, kind of close to where we're at, but it was up pretty high. And then it just bounces like it looked like a ball bouncing and just shot off towards, um, would be, I think, north. And I mean, my, it was like that same feeling when I was a kid, like my heart skipped a beat. And I was just like, whoa, we were all like, what was that? And

We're, you know, we're out here in the middle of this lake in a boat in nighttime. And this thing was right over top of us and there was no, no explanation whatsoever. Like it was crazy. And so we, we make it to our little campsite we had set up and we sit there and we're, we're talking. I mean, like everybody, like we're excited. Like what was that thing? Like that freaked me out and, you know, we're going back and forth and we try to fish and I couldn't stop thinking about that thing the rest of the night.

And I know at one point, we tried to like, we had our sleeping bag and stuff laid out and it was, you know, a real nice night. And we tried to get some sleep, but I just couldn't, I couldn't get that thing out of my head. Like I just kept thinking about this, whatever that thing was. So, sun comes up, we pack all of our stuff up, you know, and I'm exhausted. We're all exhausted.

So we're like, man, let's, you know, let's get this stuff out of here and go get some rest. So we get back across, takes a couple trips, we load the truck up and we go home. So I end up going to bed and I crashed for like, like 14 hours, like I slept so long. And this was back in the day when, you know, we didn't have cell phones and we had answering machines.

And I woke up and had this really weird feeling like, I don't know how to describe it like, like I'd been drugged or something like it. Like a loss of time. I, of course I slept for 14 hours. Like I said, but it was like more than that. It was like, I was just confused and I didn't know what was going on. So I stumble and, you know, if I had walked in down the hallway, I had a little stand with the answer machine on it.

And it was blinking like I had so many messages. And I was like, that's weird because I didn't even hear the phone ring. I began to hit play on there. And it was different family members of mine telling me that Bill, my buddy, was in the hospital and that he wasn't going to make it.

I'm thinking I'm in like a nightmare or something like the Twilight Zone. I'm like, what? Like we literally just were camped. We were together like last like what's going on. So I finally get a hold of, I believe it was my grandmother. And she says, yeah, she said he's in the hospital. His kidneys have shut down. Like he's he's dying and we nobody they don't know what's wrong with him. They have no idea. You know, he's he's dying. So I

I call my wife. Like I said, at the time, I call her and I'm like, Hey, you're not going to believe this. I tell her what's going on. And we're trying to get together and go see him and see what's happening. And, you know, I'm praying for him. Like I said, we were all grew up in church, religious people. And, you know, the whole family is praying for him. And all of a sudden he gets better as Kenny started working again.

It just did like a 180. It was a miracle. And the doctors were like, wait, we don't know what happened. Like they had no explanation whatsoever. You know, and everything was fine. And he even told me he's like, I don't know, man. I was like, I don't know what happened. Like it was just one of those things where he started feeling bad. And in a matter of like hours, he got so bad that he, an ambulance had to be called. And then, you know, he gets put in the hospital and they say his kidneys are shutting down. So it was,

So crazy. Well, he ends up like that. He gets better. Nobody can explain it. The doctors can't explain it. They don't have any idea. You know, it's whatever. He's better and everything's good. So after that, it was probably, I don't know, a year or so. And we, like I said, we never stopped hanging out. We, you know, we went hunting together. We did all kinds of stuff together.

I ended up getting this job at a factory here in town. And we started work. It was a job where they put you like with one other person, like you get, I don't know, like a team, basically. So it's like you and another guy. So me and this dude, we're working together like every day. And of course, all we had time to do was sit there and talk to each other and tell stories.

and I hadn't told anybody about anything like did it happen to me at this point and over my friend and we start talking me in this guy and his name was Kenny and he begins to tell me he's like man you're not gonna believe this but he was like me and some buddies were out fishing and he and he began to describe to me what he's seen and he described

The exact same four black thing that I seen and he even used that he even said it looked like a Christmas tree ornament. And I told him, I was like, well, you're not going to believe this, but I seen the exact same thing. You know, and he kind of laughed and I'm like, no, I'm for real. Like I seen the exact same thing. And I knew in my head where I'd seen it at, but I didn't want to say anything to him. And I said, tell me real quick, I was like, where was you at when you seen this?

And he said, man, we was out towards Salem. He was like over by Oak Creek. And when he said that, like, I was just like floored, like I didn't know what to even say because that's exactly where all this stuff where we'd seen all this, you know, and he's like, yeah, he said, we were all I don't know how many people were in the van or whatever. But he said, they, they all seen this thing. So

I couldn't wait to tell my wife because like I said, she was with us when we seen that and she just couldn't believe it. She's like, really? And I'm like, yeah, you know, he's seen the same thing. And it's just nuts because same area, he described it the same way, blah, blah, blah. Well, then later on, I don't know, he's probably, I ended up getting another dog. Wasn't too long after that. I got in her job. I didn't really care for that job.

And I seen that guy kidding at the car wash. And like I said, this is a small town and it's kind of, you know, you, you, it's no surprise you're going to run into somebody. And I seen him at the car wash, like, Hey man, you know, you still at such and such place work. He's like, no, he's like, I got tired of it and I quit. And he'd worked there for like a long time.

And I said, well, you know, we teased each other. I called him gravy train and he called me easy money, you know, that short thing. And I said, well, you know, old gravy train done quit his job. And of course, I couldn't say anything because I'd already quit too. But he, he's like, yeah, he said, I had pretty good 401k money in there. And he said, I'm just going to take it easy for a while. And he lived with his mom. She was, um,

I don't know if she was handicapped or what, but he kind of helped take care of her. And he was so happy. I mean, he was like, yeah, you know, telling me, he's like, I'm just going to take it easy for a while and just relax. And you know, it wasn't maybe a couple of weeks later. And I saw where he had killed himself. And that just kind of bothered me at first because he was the first person connected to all this that actually died.

And, you know, I just couldn't figure out because when I talked to him, he was so happy and he was just like, you know, I'm taking a long vacation equipment job. You know, I've got money. I don't have to worry about it. So that was like really strange to me, but not too far down the road after that.

my cousin that was involved in this whole ordeal, the one that he had seen this black figure coming out of her back. Well, she gets involved with these people who are just, we'll just say they're not very good people. And none of the family, like we really had a hard time getting in touch with her like it was almost impossible to

to get a hold of her and see how she was doing. It was like they was trying to hide her from us. And I know there was some time went by where nobody could nobody even knew like if she was even alive and turns out her dad, my uncle, her dad, he ends up going just over to the house and basically busting through the door and

She was in a bed in the back and was basically, she had passed away. And she'd been there for quite some time, like a long time. And I mean, I can't imagine, you know, finding your daughter like that, first of all, but, you know, it was just terrible. It was incredibly just, it was just awful. I got a phone call.

It was super early morning. My mom called me and calling her eyes out and told me, and it was just unreal. I mean, it was just absolutely unreal. And still this day, like a lot of, I think that she was like where she had been like drugs, like given an enormous amount of drugs to make it look like she overdosed. But I don't think that she was ever on drugs. So

It's just like the family like there's people that still we think that something it was just not like a natural death or it wasn't a suicide or accident overdose. It was like somebody injected her and made her because she had injection marks, I think like on her in her between her toes and like places like where it would be hard to see, you know, but anyway,

That's a really messed up part of this whole story, but she she passed away and not. I don't even know. It wasn't very long after that. My friend Bill. He was at his mom's house and like the story I heard because I wasn't there, but the story I heard was that he stood up to walk into the other room and he just fell over and.

I mean, I'm talking this guy. I'm 37 years old. This guy, he was a few years older than me. And he just fell over and unresponsive. And like she calls an ambulance and I mean, he died. He died right there. So it all just dawned on me one day, like all these connections, like the stuff that he had told me and the stuff that we'd seen and me and him had talked about.

You know the black figures and and being shown the things and I Don't know The significance of it, but he always thought that seeing the black figures was like a warning and it was like a warning about my cousin and that something was trying to You know kill her or overtake her and Which is weird because of the way she ended up dying

But later on, like I said, I ended up connecting all the dots that Kenny and my friend Bill and my cousin and ended up Bill's dad. He died in a motorcycle crash. And it was all really close together, all in the same area. And I mean, it was just so crazy. Like did all this stuff happen. And I don't know if it was just my mind tying all this stuff together, but

It just seemed really weird that, you know, the things that did happen happened and then the people end up dying. I mean, hopefully I'm not next because I mean, I was there too. So when this orb thing happened in the same area where he seen the angels and, or the angel and I don't know, it's just like, he's so messed up.

It sounds messed up. It sounds scary. And that's something I was going to ask you about as far as you goes. And your wife, right? Because your wife is there, right? Yeah. Do you ever get the sense that that's something that could happen? I mean, do you feel, do you believe that much in your idea, your theory as to what's happening that you and your wife could be next? We've talked about that and I try not to think about it because

I mean, I don't know. I don't want to think like that, but it's kind of hard not to considering that, you know, all those things that's that's happened were connected and it's one of those things like when this stuff was happening, it didn't seem real because it's like you don't want to believe it when your best friend dies. And then you don't want to believe it like when your cousin dies and then it's just you're hearing all this stuff happening and it's it's like

I don't know. I know some people say like death comes in threes or death comes in, you know, certain numbers or whatever. But what are the chances that everything will be connected to this one little place and I don't know. I don't know. Like I said, maybe it's my mind just connecting it all. I hope that there's nothing to it because I don't want to be the next one on the list or my wife or family.

When did this happen though like I mean what what kind of time were we looking at here? I know you said it happened within a few years period, right? Yeah, so I would say all together within Three to four years of but what I'm saying is like from the beginning occurrence And then it wasn't long like when the guy I worked with when he told me his story and then when he died that wasn't very long and

But like when we all seen this thing, I'd say that was kind of in the middle because the first occurrence with my buddy seeing the angel and showing him that that was like before we seen the orb together, UFO or whatever it was. So I'd say three, four years, all this came to fruition. But Kenny, when we worked together,

You know, I just didn't like the job, so I quit and got a new job, and then just happened to see him at the car wash, and he told me he had quit. And it was maybe a matter of weeks I heard and seeing like in the paper, like that he had died, and I got to asking people, and they said, yeah, he killed himself. So that happened relatively quickly. But whenever

We seen the, the orb and couldn't sleep that night. That was the very next day that my buddy had to be put to the hospital and almost died. Like he, I seriously think this day that us praying for him is what made him come out of the hospital because they, the doctors literally said like he's dying. Like his body is shutting down, his kidneys are not working. He's, he's dying. So,

I think that maybe that was like an intervention or something like we all prayed for him and he got better like the doctors. He didn't even know how or they couldn't explain why he was sick. So maybe if that hadn't happened, if we hadn't have prayed for him and

Things would have been different. Maybe he would have died right then. I don't know, but I can't I still is they can't figure out why him and not us, you know Yeah, and I mean in the end he went up dying anyways, right? Yeah, and that was a strange part because We had all just kind of moved and just thought well as you know moved on from the whole thing and just It was one of those deals where my mom Got a hold of me and said hey

did you hear what happened and I'm like no and she told me that you know he passed away and I was just absolutely just floored but apparently the story I heard like I said was he just stood up to walk into the other room and just fell over I guess they said his heart gave out but he wasn't like you know big overweight guy or anything he just you know a few years older than me and I don't know I mean some people that got happens I mean if they have

You know, maybe a condition that they haven't seen or something, but I don't know, man. It just one day it just clicked. It just all the stuff just clicked in my head and I haven't been able to like not I tried not to think about it, but it just pops in my head every once in a while. And I know that's one of the things like when I thought about when I emailed you. It was like, I have to tell this story because it's like,

I don't know, maybe that's the whole reason is I have to tell the story, but hopefully...

Hopefully that's not the end where now something bad happens to us. Oh yeah, certainly. I mean, I wouldn't hope for that ever, right? So, okay, so these deaths, we have a suicide, we have a supposed drug overdose, and we have a medical mystery where he went into the hospital at one point,

And a doctor from what the way I heard you say it, it sounded like the doctors didn't even really understand why he was there, why why he was having the issue. And then you guys pray for him and he comes out of it and he's fine. Am I, am I recalling that right? Yeah, exactly. Okay. So he, he's kind of the oddball in the mixture.

because of the medical side of things. But what are the odds that somebody has such a medical, Marvel mystery or whatever, going into the hospital, almost dying, coming out of it only for what a year or so later to drop dead just instantaneously? You know, it really sounds suspicious. Yeah, it's really, I mean, and I don't know the exact, I can't remember the exact time frames, but like I said, it's, it's suspicious definitely because

I don't ever remember them explaining why why he looked like they told us what was going on, but they never told us why it happened. And he never had like he even told me he's like, I don't understand like we were fine. I was fine. We was out there together. And you know, but he did remember, Hey, we seen that, that weird thing.

And even though the stuff that he seen, like he, he told me about these things he seen, I don't want to say he was a skeptical kind of guy, but he was one of those dudes like, he would rather say like, Oh, I seen an angel or I seen a demon than he would say like, Oh, I seen a UFO or an alien or something like that. You know, so I mean, you could, if you said, Hey, I seen this spaceship, he would just laugh and think you're dumb.

But if you were to tell him something like, you know, in general, like then he would be more apt to believe that. That's just kind of person he was. Yeah. I mean, it makes sense because he saw an angel. So I mean, yeah. How old was he though when he first went in the hospital to the time that he died? I know you say you weren't totally sure in the time frames, but he's a few years older than you. And I think you said you're like, what, 37 now or something? I'm 37 now. So I'd say,

He was probably, um, this has been a while ago. He was probably in his mid to late twenties. Wow. So, so he wasn't even in his thirties. Like I, like, because you told me your age and he was fears older in my head, I just couldn't shake the image of a guy who was late thirties early forties passing or passing away. So he was like in his late twenties, like he there that man, that's rough. Yeah. And you know, I mean, he,

I don't want to say like he wasn't the healthiest guy like it wasn't like he was you know never had anything wrong with him. It did seem like to me he would he would get sick easier than some people like you know he would get a cold or something of easier. Because I remember several times like we would we would go hunting and come back and he'd be like he'd get the sniffles. So I mean I don't know if that has something to do with it or not but just falling over dad.

is is insane especially his age did he know the guy who committed suicide

I do not know to be asked for you. Okay, because he has this experience of, you know, with this angel and seeing these, let's just call them shadow figures standing behind people. And I think if I remember correctly, your cousin was inside when he saw the demonic shadow figure coming out of her. Yes. And your cousin's the one who supposedly overdosed, right?

Yeah, see, they tried to make that sound like this. She committed suicide, but I just don't believe it. I know people they're going to say was your cousin. You don't want to believe that, but it wasn't just that. It was the circumstances surrounding the whole thing. Like they didn't, they didn't tell anybody that she laid, she laid in there. You know, for so many days, they didn't tell anybody that she died. They just, I don't know what that's not normal. I mean, you don't do that. So the people that she was living with, they just left her laying in there.

Was she on drugs? Like, does she have a problem with drugs? And that's the thing, like, I don't think she ever did. She might have. We kind of lost contact there towards the end, but to me, I just don't see it. I mean, I've seen a lot of people who have had drug problems and been addicted. And she just didn't, like I said, there was time at the end. I'll admit I didn't, I wasn't close to her. I didn't see, but I guess anything's possible.

But it was more of the surrounding circumstances that led us to believe that something else was going on. Yeah. I mean, because you mentioned about having like a puncture wound or something like that between your toes, is that right?

Yeah, I think there was like injection marks like your feet and I don't know of a drug addict that does that. I mean, correct me. I may be wrong. Well, heroin, if people are on heroin, eventually they have a hard time finding their veins and so they start shooting up in their hands and their feet wherever they can find veins.

And usually that is like towards the end like they're I mean they're real rough shape physically health wise, but it's kind of it is kind of awkward not awkward, but peculiar that you you didn't have any inclination of an idea that she was on drugs. I know you said you guys kind of lost touch and stuff, but it almost sounds like word would have got back at least that she's not doing well and she's in some kind of craziness. Yeah. Yeah, it was really weird, man, because

Me and her were only a couple months apart in age we grew up together and Even though we did lose touch towards the end like I feel like I knew her pretty well and It was not like her to not not contact family at least you know her parents and be like hey, I'm doing okay or come to visit and That's what had happened like they start saying like hey, we haven't heard from her. We can't get a hold of her like You know in in

It just ended up being like I said, her dad ended up pretty much busting the door down to get inside her house to see what was going on because he just couldn't take any longer. Yeah. And.

I can't imagine. I still this day like I won't even begin to try to imagine what he went through finding his daughter laying there like that. I can't imagine it. I mean, you're a dad. I'm a dad. I can't fathom it. It kills me to even think about it. And for what Bill saw coming out of her, there is real thought in my mind to the idea that

Whatever was in her, maybe did push her into the drug use where she consumed her. There's a lot of people who have had real demonic experiences while they were addicted and using heavy drugs.

It doesn't, it wouldn't surprise me if whatever was going on with her on the spiritual level manifested through the, through addiction to drugs. Does that sense? I kind of think that in, in Bill's mind, like he, he was being warned, like, because like I said, they were dating at the time. And I know not too long. I probably forgot to mention this. He ended up like breaking it off with her.

after and it was almost like he to me felt like that was a warning to him like you know there was something that he didn't need to be part of there so that's what he kind of made it sound like that Michael the angel

showed him. And like I said, I don't know because I know the Bible talks about Michael the Archangel. So I don't know if there's a difference there. That was like a different angel or whatever. But yeah, I mean, with that idea, I mean, obviously I thought the same thing. I mean, when you said Michael, the first thing at Michael Angel that I would think of as Michael the Archangel, which is really heavily talked about in the book of Revelation, where he kind of leads God's army against Satan and in the end times.

but I don't really know. It's not me saying I don't know, I don't really believe or anything. I really don't know how Michael would tie into that specific situation. I don't know if Michael, the Archangel, does that kind of

thing, or could it have been something more sinister portraying itself as an angel? That's something that's very possible. We know that the fallen angels are very evil. If you're an angel in itself,

you can transform your body. That's why Paul talks about being hospitable because you never know when you're in the presence of an angel. And we also see in Sodom and Gomorrah, the angels that were hosted by Lot in his home, they looked like human beings to the point that the town

wanted to have sexual relations with these men that he was hosting like they looked like men they ate with live and they consumed food so we know angels can transform their bodies to the point where they they literally look but also act like human acting human meaning consuming food so it really wouldn't surprise me either if

what he thought was an angel maybe wasn't an angel at all or maybe it was gosh I mean what would you rather have a demonic thing pretending to be an angel or or a fallen angel like I don't know but the fallen angel idea scares me more I think because those dudes are nasty suckers yeah when you said when you said that about something more sinister like I got goosebumps when you said that

sitting here because it never I honestly have never thought of it like that like what if it was like you just opened up a whole new possibility like maybe that wasn't an angel because when he told me the story he didn't I don't think that he said my name is Michael I'm an angel he said my name is Michael and I'm here to show you a few things or something to that extent like he never said he was an angel I don't think but that's the visual that

He got when he described him to me. He was he said it looked like an angel So did he talk about how he like I know you said that when he was approaching and he was shaking he was scared But after that telepathic communication he had did he ever talk about? How he felt during that time or afterwards that he like when it said that I want to hear show you a few things and showed him this girlfriend your cousin Did he say he was trembling was he in total fear? He didn't say

Too much about that part, but he did say that They talked like in their minds like he didn't have to use his mouth, you know, he was the thing could read his thoughts and he did say that When they were standing at the tree and he told him I'm here to show you a few things like it was almost like he instantaneously was up on the porch like he don't remember He didn't remember walking up there. I guess kind of thing

But I'm sure he did he don't know if he if he walked up there if he just kind of was there. But after that part when he made contact he didn't say like how he felt like if he felt scared or or anything. But he just I remember him mentioning over and over again how strange it was like it was they were just thinking like he was thinking his conversation and this thing was

talking to him back and he can understand it and he can understand him, but neither one of them said anything. That's really interesting that now him seeing this. Did he describe it? Like, I mean, I don't know how in depth he got with you. Did he did he talk about how real it looked or anything like that? Or was it like translucent or anything like that? Do you know anything about that? He said, yeah, he said that it was real as like a person, but he said it was really tall.

And it was wearing a white robe and it had like not really shoulder length hair, kind of longer hair, you know, for a man to have. But he said it was just kind of glow like there was this light coming from it. But it wasn't like it didn't look real. He said it looked just like you are a person, just like a person standing there that was tall and just had this like

It was almost like his clothing was glowing. Like, you know what I mean? Yeah. It wasn't like his body was glowing. It was like he said it was like a person, but this white robe and whatever was putting out this light.

Well, I mean, the way he described it to you, I mean, I can totally understand why he thought it was an angel. I mean, what you just described, and especially when you say it was really tall, I can't tell you how many times I've talked to you. I mean, my own grandfather told me the angels that were around, surrounded him were huge. For some reason, the idea of 12 feet tall comes to mind. I don't know if he actually said it or not, but he said they were, they were absolutely huge. And so I,

It, the way you're describing it to me, it sounds like an angel. Uh, did, did, all right. So when he saw this thing initially, I think you said he saw it, then they left. And then as he was driving, it was like flying next to the car. Is that right? Yes. The first time he seen it, he was getting in the truck to leave from, from, from Elk Creek. And it was often like, to describe this place, there's like a parking lot beside the boat ramp and probably,

50 feet there's a little tiny roadway and there's to another parking lot and there's a trail that goes through it's like a it's like a maintained trail that connects to this trail system and there's woods right there and like right at the mouth of the woods is where he seen it initially it was actually in the woods and that's the exact direction where this orb thing that we seen came from from the exact same spot it's because

We had put the boat in at the boat ramp and we were going across the lake. And that's where it came from that night, the flashlight and the orb. And so I don't know what the significance is that, but he said he's seen it. And he, you know, this is after he had seen these shadow figures. So he was like, oh, no, not this again. So he gets in the truck and he starts driving. And as he's driving,

He can see this thing out of the corner of his eye. And he said a couple of times he looked over and it was just looking at him, like just flying. And I remember even asking him like, was it flying like, you know, like Superman or something? Like kind of like did they have its arms out? And he said, no, it just was just floating like right alongside the car. Just kind of looking at me. So he didn't describe any wings or anything. It was just kind of like almost hovering just along with the car.

Yeah, he never said any to my knowledge never said anything about wings

Man, this is really interesting, man. And obviously, it's not good in the sense that people have died and stuff, but it's very intriguing, just the details that you're sharing, because there's so many question marks, and I don't wanna say questions because some of this stuff, I don't even know where to start with questioning, but there's so many different facets to this story.

Especially like with the lake and the orb so he sees this Michael at the lake first then it follows the car then when he gets where he's at it's there And this lake where he saw it at it's the same place where you guys saw the orb which he also saw with you guys, right? Yeah, and the thing about the orb was He didn't really see it as good as we did because I don't know if you ever been on like like a 12 or 15 foot John boat, but

You've got the person driving the boat is facing one way. And then like, usually your front seat is facing back towards them. So he was driving the boat. So he was facing us. And my wife was in the middle. I was in the front. We were both facing him. So we seen everything like really good. And then he caught like the tail end of it. It's because when he seen us looking, and I mean, this thing, it lit up

like it was a flash that like lightning would light up your, you know, the ground or the lake or whatever. So it was enough to get everybody's attention. But then immediately when this orb came over, we're me and my wife are staring at it, then he catches like the tail end of it, like leaving. And we, you know, we got a lot better look at it than he did.

You know, people are going to hear this and they're going to question. They're not going to question. How do I say this? They're going to hear this and they're going to start questioning if orbs are related to angelic beings or demonic beings because we already talk about orbs being related to spiritual beings, spirits. And so.

it's very fascinating and like you said earlier when you were describing it firsthand or first off you said that it looked like an or but you weren't sure if it was an orber UFO so there was a little bit of confusion as to what you were seeing but it's it's very interesting because people are having these sightings of these these

Orbs in the in the forest and out at different places like big orbs and that's talking about the little ones that pop up on your camera talking about right big orbs and And that's what you saw right? This was not something tiny. This was big right? That's what I was getting ready to say I was gonna clarify like I say orb I don't mean like you know like you said like little floaty I mean this thing it was probably like I said it was up in the sky pretty pretty high, but

I would say it was as big as like a car like an SUV and what's interesting about it like it's so weird and it just popped in my head the other day like not even maybe a week or so ago I was watching some program I can't remember what it was I was watching some program on TV and they were talking about it wasn't ancient aliens but it was

some kind of similar type thing. But anyway, they were talking about, you know, UFOs and aliens, all that. And they showed this painting. And I don't know if you've seen it, but it's an old, a really old painting, like maybe even from like 1600s or something. And there's this craft up in the corner of this painting that's like circular. And there's this being inside like driving this thing.

And I mean this painting is so old like it's before we had, you know, way before cars and airplanes and all that stuff. And they didn't know how to explain the fact that the person that painted this painted a basically a UFO with somebody piloting it. And it just like clicked like it's kind of similar to what I seen because it was like a complete circle, but it had this dark spot in it almost like a

like where a windshield or something would be if you could imagine that but it wasn't it wasn't a windshield obviously but it's it just what it looked like it was like a dark um shape about the size of like a car windshield towards the front of this thing and the back of it you could see through it but it was there was enough of it there that you could obviously tell it was a it was a ball shape like I don't know how to describe it man but

Well, I mean, I understand where you're coming from. I mean, it's hard to describe some of this stuff. But I mean, it just makes you wonder about certain things. I mean, there's a lot of people out there that theorize that, you know, and I'm not saying I believe this at least 100%. I think there's a lot of truths and a lot of different people's thoughts on things. But I don't know if everything is 100% true. But there's a lot of people out there that believe that UFOs

aliens are demonic and that they believe that, you know, I don't know if they think that these demons, because the idea is that they're wearing like, they're housing their demonic spirit in these like,

body suits, like almost, you know, like these biological suits. I don't know if they feel like they need a craft, if that's the theory, or maybe because you're in this physical suit that you do need something to transport around, I don't know. But it just, it really makes you wonder, man, with seeing what you saw, what he saw on his own, and then what happened afterwards, and what he was seeing with the

Let's just call it demonic spirits, whatever it is around the people and coming out of your cousin. It's very, very intriguing. And wrapping this up though, I wanted to ask you, the first thing you shared was your experience as a kid seeing that UFO.

car. And you described it as a Pontiac symbol. When you first said that, I immediately thought of what people describe as almost like an upside down pyramid, almost where it's longer on the bottom and shorter on the top. Is that what you're talking about? Or did it actually look exactly like a Pontiac symbol where it's almost like a V? It was more of a V, but it didn't have the pronounced

in the back was where the V would be. It wasn't like real deep. It was almost like if you took a V and drew it on piece of paper and then instead of making the V like, you know, all the way up to the top, you just make a little part at the end, like, and then, and then for the V part. But it had lights on it that enabled me to see the shape of it. And it made, it didn't, it wasn't making

any like sudden moves or anything until the very end like when I like it just kind of glide and real slow and real, you know, purposeful. So the all right. So you see this thing. Let me ask you this. You might have said it earlier. I just don't remember. Was it near the lake? I won't say it wasn't near the lake, but it's all in the same area like where I live.

And I've seen other UFOs since then. So I don't know if it's like where I live or just, you know, this area in general, but I've seen people even post on Facebook about like I've had people, I've got like a lot of friends on Facebook. Some people I don't really know that well, but I've seen them post and say, everyone go look outside at such and such direction and tell me what this light is.

You know, stuff like that. So there's something going on around here, I think. Do you mind sharing the general area? Southern Indiana, like in between Louisville, Kentucky and Columbus.

Okay. Well, I had a guy on the show that had some more long lines of, let's just call it men in black type experiences, you know, but he's an Indian. I, or maybe it was Illinois. I can't remember now. Yeah. Subscribe to what I just said. I'm butchering it, but I'll tell you what, Michael,

I think that what you just shared is very fascinating. I think people are going to be dissecting it a lot to try to understand some of the things you shared because there's a lot of facets and levels of what you just shared with us. And for the audience listening right now, I think that this is one of the most fascinating stories I have ever heard. And it's because of the paranormal

surrounding people's deaths and the timeliness of it all. So Michael, how about this? We're going to talk more about your other UFO settings, if you don't mind. And we'll, we'll add this, you know what, we're going to make this an overtime segment of this interview. So people who are listening right now and you want to hear these other stories head on over to the membership section on the website and I'll be posting it in there. If that's okay with you, Michael.

Yeah, that's fine. Well, that's a show, everybody. I really hope you enjoyed it. If you did enjoy it, please share the show with your friends. That's the best thing you can do to help this show grow. It's just to take the link and share it around social media to help people about it, where the t-shirts, the professionals on the store, on the website, theconfessionalspodcast.com. I don't care how you share the show, just share the show if you enjoyed it.

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All right, so Michael, listen, I appreciate everything you just shared about this just fascinating experience. And I struggled during the main interview with some of the verbiage on how I was describing it because when I say fascinating, I feel like that's too positive, too jovial of a word to use, but I just don't know how else to describe what I just heard other than

It's it's amazingly fascinating. Does that make sense? Yeah, man, because it really is like it's the people that I know that know that everything has happened and they know all the people that died. I mean, it's even to them. It's like it's unexplored like they, like you said, there's there really no there's it's a lack of words, basically, to describe, describe, describe, describe.