RELOADED | 299: The Spider Crawl

Merkel. Media. I guess it's time to go back in time. Are you telling me you built a time machine? Kind of a DeLorean? Time is better stuck in delusions. I have a lot of memories of the past. People are time traveling within themselves. Time travel is possible.

This was all circulating around the base that a giant had to kill, but no one was supposed to talk about it. I saw three long bony fingers reach up underneath the door, curl up to grab it, and then disappear. When he came over to me, dude, he slithered over to me. And this giant comes out of the cave and they're all frozen.

And he starts running and firing up this giant. For the giant moves, he's got a spear. In one hand, he's running really fast, and spears, Dan, and pulls him up like this. Somebody else, shoot him in the face, shoot him in the face. They basically decapitated him. That person, that person, that person, when he got about 15 yards away from me, I raised that four, gave my blow this head off.

and I feel something pulling at my leg. And I look over and there are two small gray entity pulling it. And literally I'm getting pulled off the bed. I reach my hand into this bush and I touch air, couldn't breathe, and it couldn't move. Cause I know I'm seeing a monster. Okay, I reload it!

Welcome to the show, everybody. You're listening to The Confessionals. I am your host, Tony Merkel. Thank you for being here. If you've had an encounter or a story you'd like to share with me on the show, go ahead and shoot me an email or go to the website, theconfessionalspodcast.com. Hit the contact section and you can reach me that way as well. Either works for me, just get ahold of me. If you want to hear more shows every week on Thursdays, we release a bonus show to the members on the website. So if you want to hear twice the Confessionals every week, Tuesdays and then Thursdays, the members show, go to theconfessionalspodcast.com.

hit the join button and become a member today to get access to all the membership content. And we have some new fun stuff coming up here next year. So look out for that. Now this week we have Cheyenne and Joanna coming on the show. Cheyenne is actually the future sister-in-law of Joanna and they both have crazy experiences separate but crazy. We're going to start off with Cheyenne who is actually an accomplished musician. We're going to play some of her music so you guys can hear how cool she is on the music front.

And then we're gonna get into her paranormal experiences and her Bigfoot encounter, which she called the Black Nemesis. We're gonna talk all about that stuff, and then we're gonna bring on Joanna, and Joanna's gonna talk about her Bigfoot experience. Well, I'll call it a Bigfoot, but she came on very hesitant as to what to call it, but here's the crazy thing. What she saw this Bigfoot do,

Other people have said they seem done as well including Wes Germer from Sasquatch Chronicles when he talks about seeing these Bigfoot and one dropped down into all four looking like a spider as it walked. Like they actually kind of had this spider walk and Joanna described the same exact thing and her experience was only 25 miles away from Wes Germer's Bigfoot encounter. It's crazy how close these two experiences were together

and what they saw were so similar. And here's the kicker, Joanna never heard of Sasquatch Chronicles, never heard of Wes Germer until this recording. So let's get to the two ladies right now.

All right, today we got Cheyenne on the show. Cheyenne, how you doing? I'm doing good, Tony. How are you doing? I'm doing good. So before we get going here, literally in the last 10 seconds before I hit record here and we were just silent, I looked at your email and I saw your Twitter handle, which is hella stressed. And I just want to ask you, how'd you come up with that? Because my Twitter handle is Tony Merkel, my Instagram, Tony Merkel, but your Instagram is hella stressed. Why?

Well, I made that Instagram handle. I think it was back in like 2014, and that... Well, I made it for a meme account handle, because I like memes. And at that point in my life, I was particularly hella stressed 24 hours a day, seven days a week.

I had moved to Nashville on my own. I had no family or friends there, and I moved there to pursue music. And I had gotten a job to support myself in a kitchen, and I started as like the run in the dishwasher, making about $10 an hour. So keeping that going and music and not knowing anybody, I was, like I said, hella stressed.

24 hours a day, seven days a week. So that's where that came from. Yeah. Okay. Well, I mean, I knew there had to be a story behind it. So I had to ask, um, now, since you said that, do you have any recorded music that I could hear at some point? Yes, actually I do. I have a sound cloud. It's, um, Cheyenne Reese Howe, um, and I did end up recording some music in Nashville and it was fully produced and,

In a studio and I like it. I'm proud of it. It's definitely a It took a lot of hard work and time so but I'm happy with it which is as someone who it works on Music and drawing and art like first for someone to say I'm happy with what they created like that's it I'll just say it doesn't have a lot but I'm happy with the songs that are up there and

That's really cool. So I'm looking at your SoundCloud right now. Cactus Mix 2, all for love. So this is some of your stuff, huh? Yeah. Well, I'll just tell people the Cactus Mix 2 has almost 5,000 plays. That's not too shabby. I actually did not know that until this moment. So that's amazing. Yeah. Yeah. Can I play it? Sure.

All right, I'm gonna play it right now. Okay, can you actually, I have a request though, can you play the All For Love one, the master, because that is like my pride and joy. That's what I'm gonna do then, here we go. All right. This is All For Love, the mastered version, let's go. I saw my soul through love,

I stole the love, lit my body down on a bed of colds for love I broke the love for love Left my mind on a pop, the love took a cold heart-fist to the jaw for love Damn, you lost it all for love

Beautiful of myself down in Salt Lake City For when you're gone Run away But you'll be okay I was born with a heart that I never could

Yes, with a bull and God the whole

Never gonna break

A hundred times stronger like a broken bunny on my heart Can't even feel the scars So you'll be a you'll cry I was born with a heart Never gonna break things

Lay down and die for a settle for not enough Cause I did it all for love, all for love I did it all for love Yes I did it all for love

Wow. That's, wow. That's impressive. Thank you. Listen, I'm not even lying to you. This, this song is fantastic. I went. Thank you. I went live on Instagram. Let people hear it while we were listening to it.

Oh my God. I'm telling you this was a fantastic song. I love country music. I know people don't believe me because of the music I play for outros. I love all music, but you know, I'm a truck driver. So I enjoy country music as well, especially when you're driving around the road. I'm telling you that is a fantastic song. I'm incredibly impressed with it. And it's definitely going to, but with your permission, it's definitely going to be the outro song for this episode when we put it up because fantastic.

try. Thank you. That's amazing. Thank you. I'm telling you, I blown away. I just want to listen to it like 10 more times right now. It's fantastic. So congratulations on that particular song. Fantastic. Thank you. It should definitely be on the radio. So thank you.

I know we're here to talk about other stuff, but I want to ask you, what was the process like for you in Nashville? So you're, you're hella stressed 24 seven. Yes. You're chasing music. You're fantastic. Uh, from the way you described the situation, it sounds like you're not doing music anymore, right? Um, well, I am. I did. I spent about seven years there and then I ended up turning 30 and then I started kind of questioning things because it is,

Highly competitive there It it was weird. I definitely I made some great connections. I made some great moves and Was blessed with the people that I met but it was still I just kind of came to a point where I felt like I had to decide between Staying and pursuing it like hardcore

and spending more time away from my family and and deciding whether it was time to just kind of like put family first and come back and and have that support and I I mean I miss my family I was there I was away from that for seven years so I honestly that was kind of the

the catalyst for me leaving Nashville. I can understand that for sure. It takes a lot of work. My dad went to Nashville and recorded music back in the 90s. It was gospel music, but he made several trips down there. He recorded singles. He won New Mail Vocalist of the Year of the gospelist in 1995. He was also nominated for a single of the year.

But, you know, he never got signed by anybody. You know, it's an image driven industry. And, you know, back then he was, you know, not fitting the image. And so it didn't matter how good he could belt it. He didn't have the image that they were looking to sign. So it is what it is. I mean, it's a hard thing to make. I mean, there's a lot of people out there with a lot of talent. And just because you have talent doesn't mean that it's going to happen for you, especially overnight.

Not everybody can be Justin Bieber, have a channel drumming on YouTube at 12 years old, become a sensation by the time he's 13. But listen, I'm always very impressed with people who travel to pursue their dreams when it comes to creating, whether it's art or music or things like that, acting. People who are that driven, I just absolutely love it.

Yeah, congratulations on that song and hopefully this isn't the end of the road for you because I would love to hear you on the radio one day. Thank you. Honestly, that really means a lot to me and I didn't expect to have this conversation with you tonight about this, but it definitely is something that from my earliest memories, music has always meant a lot to me.

It's been very consistent in my life. I mean, I'm 33 now and I was just writing music last night. And sometimes it's validated. Sometimes it's not. And I am still pursuing it. I still play out when I can. Obviously, not with COVID.

But I'm still writing, and I still have those connections in Nashville, so I'll occasionally send songs back to certain people. But I don't think about it a lot because life gets in the way, and I have a job, and I have family here now, and friends.

moments like this remind me how much I love it and my passion for it. And I really appreciate it. I really appreciate those words from you and for playing myself on. Thank you very much. Oh, absolutely. And honestly, if there's ever a time that you come out with another single and you want to play it and stuff, we'll throw it on the show for the outro music and stuff and get it plays that way and we'll direct people your direction. I mean, anything I can do to help you, I'm 100% going to support you on that.

Let's move on because we just burned about 13 minutes of talking music. People want to hear about your stories. And so let's start out with the earliest one you could remember. And we're going to work through this story together. It's when you were 14, you saw a UFO with multicolored lights. What happened? Yes. And thank you again. So I'll start out by saying from the time that I could remember,

I have always had a crippling fear of aliens and anything that had to do with that subject. I don't know why, I mean I've thought about it and I know like in the 90s there was a lot of movies and like it was kind of in the culture for like scary alien abduction like obviously the movie Independence Day and

the like fire in the sky movie and the X files. So I've thought about that like maybe I just kind of was influenced by those things subconsciously because it was definitely, I feel like that was just a big thing in the 90s. But I just always remember being like really afraid

of aliens. I mean, that was like my biggest fear when I was little. But I never saw anything before this point. I never had any experiences, obviously, that I know of. I'm not claiming to have had any abduction experiences. I can't remember anything like that.

So when I was about 14 years old, I was in my room. And in my room, they're on the wall facing south. I had a huge window.

And you could see the sky clearly. I grew up in a very small town, dairy town. So there wasn't a lot of lights around or buildings or anything like that. You could clearly see out the window to the sky. There was a tree, but it was not blocking my view to the sky. So I remember anything else about this night, but I remember just I was in my room

whatever, like cleaning, or write music maybe, or whatever, was not thinking about anything. I wasn't afraid. I wasn't in thinking about aliens, nothing. But I just remember being in my room and something told me to look out the window. And I looked out my window, and it was a...

I'm assuming it was around like 7-8 at night because it was like completely dark outside, but I don't know what time of day it was, but it was dark outside. And there was a craft. It was very large oval-shaped.

that there was a row of lights around the craft. And it was like just super, it almost looked like cart to me, the lights. And the lights were like flashing all in like a row around the craft. And it was like bright orange, green, yellow.

It almost looked like a cartoon, not really, but just the brightness of the lights. It was bizarre. And I wasn't afraid when I saw it. As most of my experiences that I've subsequently had after that, I wasn't scared. I was just looking at it. My brain was trying to figure out what I was looking at.

And like I said, it was like, it was large. It was right outside my window. It was not like super far away. And kind of like, I couldn't really, I don't know, I just saw like the outline of the shape of it and the lights. Like obviously the lights were what stood out to me.

But and then oddly enough, and I just recently talked to my mom about this because I knew I was going to come on the show when I was trying to piece together what happened at night. And I know because since I was little, I've talked to my mom about like UFOs and aliens and all that stuff and my fear of them and

I asked her, I was like, that night, do you remember me coming down and telling you or running to you scared or anything like that? Like, do you have any memory of that? And she said no. And I don't remember anything after that. And to me, that's weird because I feel like with my fear of aliens, I

I just find it bizarre that I have no recollection of what happened once I saw that. All I remember that night is looking at my window and seeing whatever I saw. And so again, I'm not saying anything. I'm not saying I experienced anything else beyond that. But what I will say is I don't remember anything after that. And I can also say I never saw that again.

That was the one and the only time that happened. That was that. It's interesting because a lot of times people will say little things that are very similar to other people's experiences. Something told me to look out the window or something told me to look this direction.

And I don't know what it is. I mean, I don't know if it's something as simple as a sixth sense that we have that kind of kicks in at times or if there's literally something telling you to look at it. And it's kind of trippy either way you think about it. What do you think about that kind of situation? Do you think that you were literally just like some kind of sense just kicked in that you knew that you kind of needed to look a certain direction?

To be honest with you, I just think it was my brain being like so used to that environment and what was in that environment and like I think People's brains are so much more complex obviously science points to that like our brains are so much more complex and we understand yet and I think there was just something as simple as like something is different in the environment and then your brain kind of

pointing you in that direction like look over there that's where the different thing is like that's where the weird thing is but I do also I believe that we have intuition and things like that but but I don't know and I will only speak to my own experience but

As far as that, I think it was just like my brain was like something weird is over there, look over there, like something is there that's not usually there. Yeah. It's really interesting when people recall just something simple as you saw an unidentified flying object in the sky and what you described being oval with lights around it, it has that traditional UFO feel to it. Yes.

And I know it seems like you're very guarded to exaggerate anything that you expect. And I understand that. And that's good. That's actually a really good thing. On my end, it's kind of my job to speculate and just wonder out loud. Yeah.

And so what you're saying with not remembering things, I'm sure you know that that's a very common thing with the abduction scenario. Now, I'm not saying you were abducted, but I'm just saying it's a common thing. But what also is a common thing is people saying that they saw some UFO in a group of people

they saw it, it left, and nobody talked about it. They can remember what happened. They all were driving in the car, and they just left, and they went and did their thing. But it's a very common thing that they just don't talk about it. And so it seems like whatever these things are,

has the ability to play with our minds in a sense. To me, that's what I think. Because whether you were abducted or whatever, it did something that had an effect on your mind in a way that you don't remember things. I kind of put that in the same category as people who saw a UFO

a very dramatic UFO together, and after it left, they just continued on their merry way and didn't talk about it. That's not normal. I just feel like these things, whatever they are, and I don't think they're all the same thing, but I think that they can have just something about them that is just different.

Yeah, and I kind of would agree with that because I, and even in that experience, like my own experience there, I will say normally, I mean, I won't like, like you say, I'm hesitant to like jump to conclusions, but I know that.

The first thing I would have normally done would have been to run to my mom or my brothers or my dad and be like, oh my gosh, I can't believe this just happened. And so I do think it's that part is super weird. It's weird that no one else remembers me doing that. And I don't remember doing that. So yes.

Yeah, I think it's weird that I have like hazy memory around that and Like I said, I just I know myself even to this day like from when I was little to right now if something weird happened I'm I'm not gonna be like Oh, it was this like it was an alien or it was whatever but I Can assure you I would tell people about it and I'd be excited about it and I'd want to hear their opinions about it

So I do think that's weird that I can't. I have no memory. And like I said, no one else in my family has a memory of me being like, oh my gosh, I just saw this UFO outside my window. Like that's weird to me.

It is weird, it is weird, but these situations are weird. It's not a normal situation. Even though UFOs are as prevalent as they are, the more you talk to people, it's not like every day you see one, and it's not like the majority of people see UFOs. I don't think the majority of people do see UFOs. I think if you're looking for them, you have a strong chance to see one, but most people aren't looking for them.

And on top of it, we can't see our stars have to time in this country or in the world. So light pollution is a very real thing. And I think that UFOs can definitely use that to their advantage. And not to mention that these things have the technology they have. I mean, shoot, they could just cloak if they wanted to. Yeah, exactly.

But, um, let's move on to the, uh, the black nemesis. What the heck is the black? I mean, I think I might, I might name this episode the black nemesis. That's a crazy name. Yeah. Um, well, I just want to say one more thing on that other, um, topic before we move on is that I was able to, um, uh, like a,

I, my mom had told me like 10 years down the road when we were talking about that. And I had asked her like as an adult, like, do you remember me talking about this with you? And again, I just asked her again recently, like, sure, you don't remember anything about this incident. But she had also told me at one point that she had found a website

And I just recently tried looking for it because I knew I was going to be on the show talking to you. I tried to find it. I could not. But I did find a website where it had all of the UFOs reports for Western New York. And I'm assuming they have them in every state, every, maybe every county, I don't know. But I was able to

see that from around like that age that I was at at that time, there were like multiple, and I'm talking like in that like at least like 20 or 30 of them that people had reported the same kind of like seeing the same kind of craft in that area. So you weren't the only one? I was not. And so obviously that was validating as well.

Do you think you needed that validation? No, but it was definitely interesting. Yeah, I wonder sometimes if people, because I legitimately asked you that curious because, you know, I wonder sometimes if having that validation that other people saw what people saw, what this person's claiming is they saw, that truly helps them psychologically process the information or if it's just kind of like an added bonus of, okay, good. Other people saw it, you know what I mean? Yeah.

Some people see things very dramatic and if they have that validation that other people saw too. I imagine that has a big part of their psyche and staying staying staying. Yes, I definitely would agree with that and I think that's like pretty well, I think that's why people like your show too is because people call like someone who maybe even hasn't looked into this stuff experiences something totally weird and then.

People call your show and then they have that same experience as the person listening and it's like oh my gosh like I There is definitely something validating about it. It makes you feel like Because I'm I have had those doubts. I've had the doubts of like did is this really what happened or like did my like brain just like piece it together like this or whatever but to hear someone else say

Especially if you didn't tell them first, you just hear someone randomly explaining the same exact thing that you've been through. It definitely helps. You feel less alone. You feel validated. With your permission, let's talk about Black Nemesis. I can't be the only one who thinks that name is so cool.

Um, yeah, I mean, I haven't like, honestly, I have not told a lot of people this one. And again, it's not my, this happened to my neighbors who live directly next door, but they were on our property. So, but we, we, we joke about it a lot. I mean, my family definitely were, we have like,

I guess you would call it like dark humor, but we joke about the black nemesis like all the time still. And I don't remember who came up with that name, but I wish I did, so I could give them credit. But yeah. So what was it though? Well, I don't know, but I can tell I'll tell the story.

Maybe you can tell me what you think. I will say some people on my family will, they think it's probably a Sasquatch. I would, okay, I say some people on my family, but I also, I would lean toward that as well. But I'll get into the story.

Again, this happened to my neighbors, Jake and Morgan. They lived directly next door to us, but we were so close. Like they ended up being like our like brother and sister. So they would just like come on our property. We don't go on theirs like growing up as they wanted to because we had like woods on our property and you know, we had

Trails out there like we would dirt bike hike all that stuff so So one day Jake and Morgan were out there And I think they were probably around like Probably around like like 10 and 11 or around that age but um

they said that they were back there just like kind of goofing around like hiking whatever and this creature was like they were on the path so there was um back behind our house like farmers used to rent out um our property to grow like um to to farm the lamb sometimes or be corn cabbage whatever um so but there was like trails

around the fields like where the tractors will go and the farm vehicles and they were on one of those trails and they said that they were walking and this creature just like rose out of the mud and it was like covered in

like dirt and mud and like it stunk really bad and they said that they just lost their minds like they just kind of lost it and it turned around and ran home and for them to like make it from our property to their place it was probably like 15 20 minute walk so

Yeah, they just this thing like crawl out of the mud and scared the crap out of them basically and they just ran and got out of there. They told their parents. They told us they were like super upset about it. And we like like I said, we all like my family had like crazy humor. They were crazy humor. Like all we were all the time like just laughing and joking around, goofing off like, but they were like super

super bothered by this and really upset. And again, I just talked to Jake a couple weeks ago. We have a long history and we've been joking around since we're a little, but this is not a joke. To this day, we'll still bring this up.

Yeah, we do joke about it. But at the time, we knew something happened. I don't know what happened, but they were extremely bothered by it and upset by it. But I can say with that, we were back there all the time. And me and my brothers, we didn't stop going back out there. We didn't stop.

dark blacking or hiking or whatever out there like we still went out there all the time like never saw anything but um but I don't know so and then like I said one of us after that story like nicknamed it the black nemesis because it was like dark and covered in mud and um basically just like a monster so uh but that yeah that's that like I said it wasn't I didn't go through that so that's

That's really all I can tell you about that one. Well, I find it really interesting. And now they ran home, but did they ever relay that they felt like this was going to, this was like physically intimidating to them where if they didn't run home, this is going to, you know, go after them? Yeah, I mean, they didn't say that it like chased them or anything like that. I think

And kind of along the lines of what we were talking about before, I now knowing about like sass watches and that kind of thing, I think they do like the bluff thing a lot and they just like show off their physical presence. And a lot of times I think that's enough.

to get their point across. And I personally think it was something like that because I think if something like that wanted to chase them and them being like 10 and 11 years old, that would have been really bad. And they never said it chased them, nothing like that. So I personally think it was just like this thing saw them and wanted to maybe intimidate them or they just kind of came up upon it and it was

just like mining its own business and was like, I'm going to get out of here, but it was so scary that it just like freaked them out. So I don't know. Well, it's interesting at least and the blackness. I mean, that's just, I can't get past that name. It's such a great. Yeah. Because you know, people who have Sasquatch encounters, depending on where you're at in the country, you're going to have oral tradition of calling it a certain name. Yeah. I just, it'd be really cool if

This is something that happened a lot in your area and the name the black nemesis took off. And just that was like the local lore. And if people talk about the black nemesis, that would be just so that would be worth making a documentary about worth making a movie out of because just the name itself is just so great. Yeah. So that happened to when you were about 17 or 18.

Yeah. Yeah. And they're a little bit younger than me. So yeah. And so now let's move on to age 23 and your shadow man encounter. Yeah. So for me, this was like the, the hot tamale, like the coup de gras of my paranormal experiences. Um, and this is kind of down the line. What got me like super into

the paranormal and kind of what God be listening to your podcast actually is just like that search of like trying to figure out what the heck it was that I saw. And so I guess I will just get into this. So my, at the time I, it was around

It was sometime in November. I know that it was at a state park and it was still open but it was really cold and I remember that it got dark really early. But I remember that day my brothers had taken me hiking because I had just recently gone through a breakup

and they were trying to cheer me up and I was just like super down in the dumps about it and we just figured like let's get out of here let's go hiking and be out in nature and

So we did that, and I don't know, I guess I can say where it was, it was Lechworth State Park, which are you familiar with that? Because I feel like that's not too far from where you are. No, I'm not. I'm not at all. OK. Yeah. There's like a creek there and lots of woods and a lot of trails.

We hiked there all day. It was awesome and definitely got my mind off things. And the sun started to go down and they wanted to go on another hike. And I was just not feeling it. I was cold. I was tired. I was getting dark. So they were like, OK, we're just going to go.

like over do this really quick trail um that was like kind of by where the car was parked so I was like I'll wait in the car and you guys go do that so so that's what they did and again the sun was going down and it was getting dark and I was sitting in the car waiting for them and again um so it was like late November so no

Nobody else was there. We were the only ones in the park. Parking lot was empty. And we were parked right next to the woods. Our car was right next to the trailhead.

I was sitting in the car waiting for them. Um, I remember my phone had died. So I was bored and I had started reading the car manual because I was just like, I was probably so used to having a phone or looking at something at that point that I was just like, I gotta look at something. So I was like reading the car manual. And again, like before, something told me to look up, um,

and about like probably like five to ten feet from my car along the tree line. I looked up and there was this like shadow of a person and it was looking at me and it's that sounds weird because it didn't have a face but it was like

humanoid enough that you could tell like I could tell you could I could just instinctually tell it was looking at me and Again just like with the prior experience I had I wasn't afraid I it was more of like what am I looking at here like my brain was trying to process What I was looking at um

and again it was like it was just this like it was a shadow but in the shape of a human being um but the way that it moved was like it like against like physics it had like no when a person moves I feel like you can see that they have like a certain there's like a weight to them and this had it was like a

Um, I don't even know how to explain it. It just, it was weightless, but it, and it was like super fast and like, uh, I don't know. It was just the, and it was so black. It was like the darkest black I have ever seen in my life and have yet to see again. Um, it, and like it was, uh, I just, um,

Like I said, it was looking at me. I sensed it was looking at me and I was like looking back at it. And again, just my brain was like trying to figure out like, what the heck am I looking at? What is this? And then my brothers were just like coming over the trailhead and I was like,

like as soon as they got up to me because then it just it as soon as they came in the picture like it just like fluttered away like it was gone and I was like please for the long gone like tell me you guys tell me you saw that again like I don't want to be the only one that sees us like and they they were like what the heck was that and I was like I I don't know

And so we looked around, couldn't find anything. And then so we're like, let's get out of here, because we were all feeling like creeped out at that point. And they said that when we were leaving the park, they saw something like crouched on a rock, like looking at us. I didn't see that. So I can't like, I can't speak to that.

Um, it, again, just like the whole experience looking back was like, oh my God, that was creepy. Um, but, um, so, and I, I didn't actually know until years later, um, I had a job that kind of, I could just like sit and be on my computer all day. And I remember going back to that experience and I just pooled, like,

I didn't even remember what I Googled. But I ended up finding stuff about shadow people. And I was like, oh, that seems to be exactly what I experienced. And again, I felt validated. I was like, OK, well, at least this is a thing that happens. But the one thing with that, I will say, is I didn't. A lot of people that had shadow man experiences seemed

have that experience again and again. And I did not. That was like the one and only time that I have ever seen anything like that. And again, in the moment, I wasn't like super creeped out by it. I was just like, what is this? But then looking back, I was like, that was weird. That was creepy. And so I am now grateful that never happened to me again. But I, like I said, when I was

reading about it. It did. It seems that like people who experienced that one time, then experienced it a lot. So I was definitely happy about that, but I didn't even know. I didn't know what a shadow person was until like a while after that. So and like googling it basically. So you're saying if I heard you right, it sounds like you said that this thing was up in the trees.

It was definitely no it was in the tree But it was like standing on the ground like almost it was like holding the tree and like looking to the side and like like it was like standing behind the tree but looking out at me

Okay. My brain translated that into, you looked into the treetops and there was something standing in the treetops. I'm like, that didn't freak you out. That definitely would have freaked me out. Yeah. Well, let me ask you. I mean, if you did see it again, do you think you'd be freaked out the second time around now that you kind of educate yourself a little bit? Oh, yes. 100% because then I, then I'd be like, okay, why are you like following me? But,

But just seeing this one time, I kind of attributed it to like, oh, maybe something happened in this area. Like, maybe it was just the area that we were at. And like, that's why it was there. But, oh yeah, 100% if, sorry, I just got a text from my boss. If I saw that again now, yes, I'd be like, oh my gosh, like,

This is weird. I don't like this, but yeah. So, and then like I said, my brothers said they saw something like crouching, which is creepy in itself, but I didn't see that, but let me ask you about this more recent experience. Now, you said that.

I think you said your grandfather passed away in this house. Yes. And it's also the house that had the Bigfoot experience. Yeah. Are you talking about the Bigfoot experience where you were younger or the one with your brother's fiance? No. So this is the one, the recent one with my brother's fiance. So while I was loving in Nashville, my parents moved to Oregon and my older brother moved to Oregon and

Um, they have a house. I don't, my mom was like, don't tell him where we live. Um, because I guess like finding Bigfoot actually did an episode in their town too. So, um, but so there I'm okay. So I am the town that I live now is about an hour from Portland and then. Oh, by no exact to where it's at. Okay. So yeah, like 15 minutes from me is where my parents live. Um,

And so when I moved from Nashville last year, I spent this summer at my parents' house where they are now. And that is where I had that. I guess I'll call it a ghost. And I literally like talking about this stuff.

And I feel like the, like, forest film of the paranormal. Like, I feel like it's like, okay, Bigfoot, aliens, shadow men, and ghost. So, yeah, this was last summer, and when my family moved out to Oregon,

they took my grandma and grandpa with them because they needed constant care. And they weren't able to do that. This house had kind of like a, it's not separate from the house, but it was like a unfold, another like apartment in the house. So there's like a room, a bathroom, a loft and all of that. So, and so I know that

Both my grandparents spent a lot of time in that room. And that's actually the same room that I stayed in when I moved out here last summer. So, one night, not too long after I moved in, I was going to sleep and

Right in that moment of like you are You're not like fully asleep, but you are just about there I felt a Human like the weight of a human like sit on the bed like sit on my legs sit on the bed Enough to where it snapped me like fully awake and

I was looking around because there was a cat there. Morris, we still have him. And he just kind of wanders around the house at night. So I was like, please, Morris, where are you? Please be in here. And the cat was not in my room. And I know, again, I'll say I was almost asleep.

It felt, I felt it, like I've physically felt it. I felt a human being like sit on the bed on my legs. And I looked around the cat was not in there. And at this point in my life, like I had experienced so much that I was just like, okay, well, I'm going back to sleep because what am I gonna do? Like if there is a ghost in here or

whatever, like, I mean, what, you know, what am I going to do? So, um, so the next day, I went back to sleep and then the next day I, my mom and I were walking the dog out back, um, which we've also experienced weird stuff on that path to walking the dog. Um, but I told her what happened and

She says, I don't want to upset you, but the same exact thing happened to me last night. And that brought tears in my eyes because again, I was like, okay, so this is not just, it just, it made it more real for me. And with that one, I just kind of,

Assume that it was one of my grandparents who knows like I don't I don't know but It's that one just kind of felt I didn't feel scared again. It was just like what's going on here, but I Would like to assume it was just either my grandpa or my grandma so I

Well, I'll tell you, I've heard that before, people referencing such things. In fact, somebody in my family has said that to me recently, that they've felt something like that happen in their bed. It's never happened to me, but it's got to be a weird feeling, because being in bed is a vulnerable place to be.

And, you know, but I'm glad you find a little comfort in it, you know, assuming that it might be your grandfather, you know, I don't know, but it's definitely interesting. And I don't know. I think I'd probably get scared. I think I'd be scared. Yeah. Okay. So, yeah, when it happened, I was definitely a little bit creeped out because even if it is your grandpa or your grandma, you're like, um, like,

Yeah, it just it spooks you out. You're kind of like what what are you doing here right now? And you I don't know like I'm just assuming it was one of them But you don't know and especially I feel like when you wake up from that state or like you can get snapped out of that state Your body is kind of in that like it almost feels like the flight the flight or fight thing like it you do kind of there is like a

a panic thing that happens. But then to like, to make yourself feel better, you're like, oh, maybe it was this, like, maybe it was these people that I loved. And that seems like that could be the case because they spent a lot of time here. And I mean, but you don't know. So it's, yeah, that, I will say that one like kind of that one.

was a little bit more on that like creepy side. Oh yeah. I mean, like I said, I think I would be definitely creeped out by that. Yeah. I'm just glad that, you know, typically nothing like this happens to me. It's always you suckers. I just get to listen to the stories. But hey, do you want to bring on Joanna and we can talk to her about her experience? Yes, that sounds good.

Hello. Hi. Is this Joanna? This is she. Awesome. How are you? I'm good. How are you? I'm doing good. My name is Tony Merkel, and I host this podcast, The Professionals, and I hear you had a very interesting experience.

I did quite unexplainable. Yeah. So, um, Cheyenne told me that you're, you're kind of hesitant as to giving it an actual definition of what you saw. Yeah. So, uh, I just want you to know, I,

I'm not the guy that goes around and saying they saw this or they didn't see that. I'm very open-minded. I've talked to people that have a lot of crazy stories. I just want to hear what you saw. This is a very laid-back kind of thing. I just talk to people and enjoy the conversation and hearing the stories.

But yeah, I heard you ask about where this is going to be aired and stuff. It's going to be aired online, but it's going to be accessible all over the world. Anybody can hear it. So just giving you a heads up. And if you're good, we can get this going. OK, yeah. No, that sounds good.

All right. So with that said, I hear that you, I'm going to, I'm going to actually hold off from saying what I want to say it is because I want to hear what your experience is. That's probably a good idea. Yeah. You saw something, a creature of some type that acted very strange. So with that said, could you just take it away and tell us where you were, what you were doing, what you saw. Sure. The whole thing.

So first of all, I want to start by explaining that I do spend a lot of time in the woods. I'm a fly fisher girl and I love the woods. I was mushroom hunting this particular day for morale mushrooms. And as you know, sometimes morels can take you to some pretty crazy places. So we're in the Mount Hood wilderness area near Parkdale. And we returned to a site we'd been before.

I was with my fiancee Cody, and we had had a good success at this particular spot where we were looking for mushrooms. And the way that I had this encounter, my partner was with me. However, he was about 20 yards behind me. I had kind of rushed up the road and started looking on the road where we had found Morels before. I was really excited.

And in this particular area, we were in a clear cut that had also been burned. So we had come out of the deep woods.

and entered a clear cut. He was still behind me on a logging road and he didn't have visual on the actual opening of the clear cut. So if you can imagine me in front of him on a logging road and a tree line preventing him from looking up the clear cut where I had this encounter. So I'm head down, I'm silent looking for mushrooms and

I saw something out of my peripheral vision about 75 yards straight up the side of a hill face toward the top of this clear cut toward the peak of where it kind of levels off and then goes up higher behind it. And what I saw initially, my brain understood it as a human, a person.

that looked like they were macheting all of the downfallen tree brush pretty aggressively. And it's four o'clock in the afternoon, so the sun's out. And it was pretty bright, so I took my hands over my eyes, shield my eyes from the sun, and did the universal

Person looking stance and really like funneled in my vision to figure out if it was people and if like maybe they had eat us to the spot Naturally, my mind was like, oh no someone beat us here and they they're gonna have all the mushrooms So as I like really focused my awareness and attention on to this Dark figure that looked like it was a man in a like black hoodie or jacket

that appeared to have very long machete, pretty aggressively shopping downward into the ground. I didn't see any debris, but I was like, oh my gosh, what is going on? How is this possible? And my brain went through a couple different stages of processing pretty quickly. It went from someone's here. We should probably leave. They already got the spot to wait. No man moves like that. I've never seen that kind of

thing before to to like kind of being in shock like I don't understand what I'm seeing like my brain couldn't process what I was seeing and then as I was looking at it it turned around and face to me now I've had a lot of people ask me like what the face looked like and I don't actually recall seeing eyeballs or any form because of the lighting and the distance

but it was a silhouette of something that looked like an extremely lean, like ape, like maybe man humanoid, but it was very lean. And two days prior at the same spot before rain, we had gone there and we recall hearing what we thought was a bear call warning us and we left together cautiously

as soon as we heard that, and we spoke to some locals and talked about it and found out that there was some cattle that were moved in that evening as possible. What we heard was a cow. Didn't think much of it. But it did cross my mind, like, is this some kind of bear that's super lean straight out of winter? Maybe I've just never seen that before. I am not a local, so I am aware that maybe

You know, in that moment, I was like, oh, I've never seen anything like this. I'm from Texas, actually. So I don't have a whole lot of experiences with bears. But as it looked at me, I got this chill that it really shocked me to my core. Like, I got icy cold, all the hair set up on my body to a point where I got

Like it was like very physical reaction and I recognized I was like spooked but the thing that set me over the edge was the way it moved from that moment. This all happened really quickly and from the moment it looked at me it pretty much instantly while keeping its torso facing me like for lack of better words octopus maybe spider it's way up the hill

very fluidly and just so fluid. It literally reminded me of a cuttlefish or octopus, which sounds a little silly, but that's the best language I can put to what I witnessed. And it buckled my knees quite a bit. I definitely got emotional. I had a hard time communicating with my partner what I had seen, but I was really adamant about leaving. I was trying to express

I just wanted to leave and I was trying to process what I saw. And I did take some time, calm me down. I was like, okay, you know, just sit down for a second. And I did sit there and I don't think I've blinked for like 10 minutes processing and replaying over and over with like an honest awareness of what I saw over and over, just sitting on the road looking at that exact spot and trying to make sense of it. But it sounds like cliche,

It moved in a way that is not of this world and that sounds a little, you know, it sounds a little crazy, but to like articulate what I mean by that better, it didn't move in a way that made sense to anything in this world that you see in reality or in terms of like wildlife, you know, documentaries, et cetera. I just, I've never seen an animal

move like that or creature or whatever it was. One more thing worth mentioning is a week prior, we had drove up to the exact spot where I had this sighting and we walked around looking for morels. I know the terrain pretty well. I had just been there and it was extremely challenging to walk through. So my

part of my shock was the awareness of the terrain and how it moves so fluidly almost just gracefully ascending this very dense porous down tree brush with blackberry brambles. So yeah, that is my best account of what I witnessed. I have had a lot of time to process.

It did take me a while to really talk about it openly I Haven't really had any kind of experience like that before whatsoever and it did shake me up for about two weeks, but I have been back into the woods But I do you know keep a pretty Pretty different awareness now and oh, yeah, yeah, so that is my

That was my encounter. Well, I'll tell you, first of all, I want to tell you it's not the first time I've heard that. In fact, one of my best friends had a sighting of something extremely similar to what you just described. He said that it got down on all fours and almost looked like a spider on how it got down on all fours.

He saw go from two legs to all four. And he said it was extremely fast and how it did it. His sighting was probably around 25 to 30 miles away from where you had your sighting. Wow. So you said that you were around Mount Hood, right?

Yeah, Mount Hood in the Parkdale area. Okay. So if you're in the Parkdale area, you're looking at about 20 to 25 miles away. If you're going from a straight line from where he saw his experience in Washington, he lives just across the river. Wow. Yeah. And it acted extremely similar. Yeah. And as it like for lack of better word, spider, it's way

a way. It did keep its face facing me very, very steady. I mean, it was kind of like something you'd see in a horror movie. And I have, I have spent a lot of time really trying to be aware and conscientious of, you know, if I was in a state of fear, did I perceive something incorrectly with the distance and the sun and a heightened sense of emotional response

But I really felt like I was locked in on what I saw, and I honestly felt like somewhat captivated, and I experienced quite an emotional response that isn't quite normal for me. It affected me for weeks after, too. It was pretty big. A lot of processing.

Yeah, there is a lot of processing with this. And a lot of times when people see these things, especially people like you and my buddy, it's like it changes your world. In fact, I mean, the audience knows who I'm talking about. You probably don't know unless you follow his podcast, but he has a podcast called Sasquatch Chronicles. And he... I am now a fan as of this encounter. Yeah, so... A new fan.

Yeah, he started, he started his show from him and his brother's experience, uh, when they were out there and they saw what they saw and it wasn't just one. It was, it was multiple and it came in on their vehicle in the middle of the night. And so, um, it was a very dramatic counterfact. Do you want to hear, uh, his description of the creature he saw go down on all four? Yeah, I'd love that. Okay. And about that timing leaned over and said, I think we're being surrounded again.

And I said, yeah, I, I just want to go. I don't want, whatever's going on up here, I want no part of it. I, you know, I just, I want to leave. I felt like Alice in Wonderland at that point. It was just like, I just want out of here. So he goes to start the car and take off. And that's when we actually saw it. Um, the same stepped out off the embankment into the road. Now that the embankment again,

because I've been back to the area, you can't step off of it. Like I couldn't step off of it. It would take about three or four steps for me to get down to the road. This ain't just one step and it's on the road. And I wasn't, I didn't know what I was looking at. It was huge. It looked like a man, but it wasn't a man. It looked like a gorilla, but it wasn't a gorilla. It was just this huge, bulky,

thing and it was muscular and it started walking across the road. It took about three or four steps, walked across the road. But it would stop. It would take a step and it would kind of stop and it would turn its whole upper body and look at us. And then it would take like one or two more steps and turn its body and kind of look at us. It was very, I felt like it was meant to intimidate us. And this thing was doing a good job of intimidating us.

And it goes across the road. And I'm sure we were yelling at the time what the F was at. I just remember my jaw being down. My jaw just being on the floor, my eyes being real big. And it goes across the road and it goes behind this kind of a deadfall tree. The tree had been broken. It was about eight feet up, but it was just kind of this dead tree.

and it walks behind it and stands there. And we could still see it. I mean, it was taller than the, than the, we could still see from about the shoulders up. So it wasn't hiding from us. We could still see it. And what he goes and he's acting like he's going to start the car and he's going to drive us out of there. And I'm like, don't what I'm like, I'm begging him at this point. Don't drive past that thing. Don't, Tony, just saying was so big.

I think at the time of when I first started, you know, I thought it was like 12 feet tall. I think when we went back realistically, it was more like nine feet tall. But at the time, I mean, this thing could have been 50 feet tall. Yeah, I had just never seen anything this physically big before. Um, but it was about nine, nine and a half feet tall and it probably weighed about a thousand pounds minimum. And I was sitting there thinking like, please don't draw it. I was telling you, please don't drive past it.

Because I honestly, in my heart, I felt like it was so big, I felt like it could have grabbed the side of the car and flipped it over. And there would have been nothing we could have done about it. And we couldn't turn around and go the other way, because this is the only way off the mountain. So we're stuck. If we turn and go the other way, we'll be on some crazy road. I don't even know where it goes. We have to go this way to get out of here.

And so it's kind of a one road in one road out type of deal. And it comes out from behind this, this tree. And it, it got down like it was going to charge us. I mean, it, it, it got down on all fours and that, not kind of on all fours. It got down like you'd see a runner.

Um, get down, you know, like a runner right before it takes off for a race. Yeah. They kind of have their butts in the air and their hands are down. That's what this thing did. And it would pump, pump its butt like it was going to charge us. And I'm sitting there with my gun. My hands are shaking and I, I'm in my mind. I'm thinking, please don't, please don't charge a car. Please don't charge a car. Please, because I knew our guns weren't going to kill us saying, Hey, there's no way.

our guns were going to even take the same down. And then it stood up and it went back to the dead fall tree and it stood there. Pretty soon it come back out, did the exact same thing act like it was going to charge us. And then it would stand up and it would walk back and it must have done this. Woody and I still argue about this, but Woody says, you know,

It was, I don't know. Five or six times, I think is what he says. I swear, the same did it way more than that. I mean, we sat there and every time it came out, my heart sank, I thought for sure it was going to charge us, but it didn't. It stood back up, started walking back over behind the dead fall tree. And about that time we saw where that one had stepped off the embankment, there was another one, but it was different.

It jumped across the road Bounced off of it like it was a trampoline and then went off into the bushes and it was gone the one that the big one if you can picture like Arnold towards an egg or a Thousand pounds and nine and a half feet tall That's kind of what the same looked at look like the head was very small and it sat right on the shoulders, but the head I say at the time it reminded me of a

Kind of a cartoon character because the head seemed like it was too small for the body. The shoulders were extremely exaggerated. I remember just focusing on those shoulders every time it came out because the shoulders had to have been at least six feet wide. I mean, it was the biggest thing I'd ever seen in my life. And it went down to like a V. You know, like when you see Patty, she's big, but she's not.

stacked she's not like um ripped out seems more frumpy yeah very frumpy this thing was not like that at all not even close and it was narrow on the waist the the legs on it were like tree trunks the one thing i can tell you about it is the knees are in the same place where our knees are at the knees are actually farther down um and it it walked bent knee the whole time it never straightened up and it kind of walked um

I say hunched over what he said more like slouched over, but it reminded me of, I did an interview with Chris Jericho and I was looking at some of these wrestlers and you ever see a guy that works out too much on his chest and what ends up happening is the muscles tend to roll the shoulders forward and kind of pull the shoulders down. And I think that's why I say hunched over it kind of had that it was like it was too

I don't know. I'm not doing a great job of describing it, but it was kind of not hunched, but it looked like it worked out too much in its chest and kind of pulled the shoulders are kind of rolled forward. The arms went down to almost the knees, not quite, but almost to the knees. The one that jumped across the road was built nothing like this other one. It was skinny, it was tall, it was

you know, kind of a light gray, whitish color. And it reminded me of like, like a female jogger, that type of body type. It was still big. I mean, I'm sure it was bigger than me, but we only saw it for like 1,000, 2, 1,000, 3, 1,000, and it's gone. And when I say it bounced off that road, man, it bounced off that road like it was a trampoline. And as soon as it

came across the road and went off into the bushes. The big one stepped back out and I honestly thought he was, I thought we're dead. And he never, he, when he stepped out this time, he never, he never, um, well, through that, the whole encounter, he never turned his back on us. But when he came out this last time, he was squared up with us and he came out to the middle of the road and he just like collapsed.

And what I mean by that is like, he dropped down to all fours, not like before. This was actually dropping down to all fours, but it wasn't like how you and I would get down on all fours. This thing just collapsed and it was down on the ground like a spider. It used its fingertips and its back toes and it crawled about halfway out, stopped for a second and then crawled off into

The bushes and it was gone. I hear you, you agreeing with them. I wanted it. I wanted to ask you. So was it the better size or what? The structure, the head was small. So when I, I immediately had a lot of support that I didn't expect from family members and friends like that are from here that have, you know, for shiny and especially, you know, like with, Hey, here's all these resources. You're not alone. It's okay. So I kind of started

looking deeper into the Sasquatch, everything. And the thing that really stuck out the most to me is I didn't really identify with this bulky, large, muscular figure. This was a very lean, strong, powerful being.

So the size of the head, the broadness of the shoulders, something that really stuck out to me was the length of the arms. When I mentioned initially that I thought it was a man with a machete, it was because the shoulder to arm length was so ridiculous. It's like nothing I've seen more than an ape or a gorilla. It's just nothing I had actually seen before. So that was definitely

I started getting like almost not just just listening to his account because I do relate to, I can relate to that. In terms of size, you know, I honestly have not gone back to revisit. It's kind of funny because the very next day we had like torrential rainstorms and I'm kind of beat myself up about it. It would be very much

in my nature to go and look for prints and examine. And I did draw some pictures directly at the evening that's happened as it was fresh in my mind of what I witnessed. But I did not go back to the site. Part of that was one of the properties I have to pass through to get there. They just asked me to, you know, please just stay home.

So I didn't actually go back and honored that and respected their wishes. And it felt like the right thing to do in the moment. So I didn't go back, but I do plan to go back and explore to kind of take an accurate perspective of the actual size because it was so high up and so far away. I'm not sure I can really honestly tell you the size until I go there and really honestly look at it.

but it seemed big. I want to say that, but I planned a return and really investigate. I mean, I'm going to be heading out to the West Coast probably next year at some point. I was going to go out to, I was going to hit LA later this year and then make my way up the coast, but my wife got pregnant and so she's going to have the baby in late September.

Congratulations. Thank you. But I don't think it's wise to be traveling across the country and leave my wife. But next year, I'm probably going to head on out. And I'll definitely be in that area because I'll be visiting my friend and.

And so maybe I'll be hitting that area too, because I definitely want to check it out and stuff because these things are out there. Yes, they're absolutely, especially in that area. So the Pacific Northwest is known for just large animals in general. I mean, we have mountain lions here in Pennsylvania and they get about

115, if you get 125 pound one, it's very big. But out there, you'll get a 200 pounder easily. And just animals are bigger out there. And so we have Bigfoot sightings here in Pennsylvania. And typically they reported as about six and a half to seven feet tall, maybe seven and a half, but that's about it. But out there, I mean, Wes, his experience, I think he described one of them being around nine to 10 feet tall.

Oh, yeah, they're absolutely huge. I can't imagine. I don't want to say yet what I think until I return, but I would say this thing was really big. And it also as it as it left the scene, it was very wide. Like it's it's extremities were so lanky and long. It just defied my my like brains.

ability to even process. It definitely was nothing I have ever seen before. Yeah. I mean, it's not like you were expecting it. You know what I mean? So, yeah. No, it definitely, it definitely got me good. Yeah. So this thing is walking away from you. And as it's walking away uphill and it's on all four, right? Yeah, but it's torso faced me.

That's so crazy. It's head and torso. Imagine it sounds silly, but a spider or octopus is the words I've used to describe it.

It's the best human language adjective of what I can compare it to that I have right now in this journey. I'm sure my eyes are about to be open as I start to explore more about this area and other encounters and it's already started happening. But that was kind of my initial reaction.

It was really, it was, I have said also like it didn't make me the way that it moved and just kind of vanished on the terrain that I knew and had just been through. It honestly reminded me of something that's almost alien, which

You know, I have no idea, but it didn't. It just doesn't make sense. Yeah. I mean, it doesn't make sense. And you're not the first person to describe it like that. I mean, a lot of people believe that these things could be extraterrestrial and not from here. Totally get that mouth. Yeah. And you know, it's funny because I've heard, I've heard like when I first moved here,

You know, there's lots of believers and I wasn't really closed off to it, but I also wasn't like into it. I just was like, cool. You know, my mascot where I work is a Sasquatch. That's awesome. I love it. But I hadn't really had anything affect me enough or had any kind of personal experience or friend of a friend or anything like that to where I had really consciously done any research. You know, I'm not from here.

And it just wasn't in my awareness. So wasn't something I was looking for or thinking about at all. Yeah. I totally get that. Yeah. So now that we've talked about this.

Why is it that, and I think I know the answer to this, but why is it that you're so hesitant to give it a label of something? Is it because of the mannerism of how it operated and on top of that, the idea that it could be so many different things outside of just the idea of a creature that lives out there?

because there's a lot of people that have these experiences and they're very quick to label it as something, but you're very hesitant with that. What's the philosophy behind that? The philosophy is behind that is I have, number one, I was not sure I was ready to speak about this with anyone yet. That wasn't like immediate family and friends. And I want to be cautious because it was so

unexplainable. And the way it affected me was so powerful that I feel like it's worth truly investigating personally. I've also had some feedback on other things from friends that are like, Oh, I know a friend who had an experience too. And I feel like I need to wait and just like process and listen.

and observe, and I think in time I'll maybe have more answers, maybe not. I do feel like, I know this sounds completely crazy, but I do have some kind of intuitive sense that in some way it was like a warning or a very important message that I can't understand right now. I just feel like

You know, I made sure every time I've gone out to the woods since then, I've thanked the wilderness area. I've been very attentive and respectful to what I'm taking and how I'm moving through it and what I'm leaving behind or how I'm mentally entering the space. And I'm not sure if this was a personal thing for me.

or if someone else can relate to my story, but it is so personal, just all of the range of emotions that I went through in the days after an interesting serendipities and messages that are quite personal. So I just don't know if I'm ready to put a label on it and maybe this is my first opportunity to reach out and connect with others and I'll get, you know, showered with

you know, support or ridicule or whatever. And I'm sure I'll learn from it, whatever it is. Yeah, I would say be guarded as to who you reach out to and who you let in to the circle of, you know, your experience because

the Bigfoot community online can sometimes be wolves among sheep. And so I would be definitely careful with that. But also I'm kind of excited for you to be pursuing the idea of what did you see. And I'll be sending you some files and stuff for you to check out and stuff of people's experiences. And I think

I come from the angle of this I think that the world is far more stranger than we can understand I think the universe is is falls into that absolutely and I think it's naive to think that we have it all figured out.

And there's just so many people who say they have seen some crazy stuff out there in the woods or on land somewhere in this country for everybody to either be lying or crazy doesn't make sense to me. People are seeing things out there.

That's why i do the show i do is because i want to make sure that we document these things and i think we can learn from hearing other people's experiences. I'm not a scientist and how do you even go about you know.

doing some kind of scientific research on something that nobody can keep up with. But we can chronicle these stories so that people can refer back to it. And I can't tell you how many times I've had people tell me things that I've heard before, and I start connecting dots right here on the show because I'm like, oh my gosh, I've heard this before, you know? So I think it's very important that people share their experiences. I'm really glad that you did. Yeah. Well, thank you for the opportunity and outlet and structure to share.

I really appreciate what you're doing. And so, yeah, thank you so much. I really appreciate it. Absolutely. Absolutely. So I guess I'm trying to think how I'm going to finish this show off now. Yeah, I guess I'll finish off with Cheyenne. Okay. Thank you. Thanks for talking. Thank you. Hello. Cheyenne. Yeah, buddy. That was awesome. Yeah. Yeah.

So she saw something that Wes saw. I mean, that's, that's, she did. Yeah. Wow. I don't know what to say. I mean, I love, listen, when I heard Wes's story before we were even friends, I was fascinated by it. Yeah, same.

And then when you know he came on my show to tell it you know way back in the day i was fascinated by it and every time i hear somebody story that resembles his i'm fascinated by the idea of how these things move because we're i think it's because we're so.

custom to the idea that Sasquatch walks on two legs like Patti, it's just kind of frumpy and you know, frog. The fact that there are people who are seeing these creatures do physical things that seem almost impossible.

Is very fascinating kind of gives them a new element to because people think it's just big lumbering sure can move fast, but you'll hear coming kind of thing, but when you hear what she described and what even West described. It's like these things are giant monsters that can be light on foot move very swiftly and in ways that you can't imagine is even physically possible. It's very interesting.

It's super interesting. And that's like, so when she was telling me that story, A, as she mentioned, like that's, and I thought about this, like as soon as she said this, like I, my mom had like, when I moved here, my mom took me and showed me kind of like the general area of where Wes had his experience. And it's not far from Moir.

where this happened. No, not at all. And no. And so, and for, like you said, like, for them to move, like, as soon as she said how they move, that's what I thought about. I was like, and that's also what made me think, like, oh, okay, like this, um, again, like, this is, like, other people have said this, like, and Wes said that, like, how they moved.

And as soon as she literally said to me, this is going to sound crazy, but it moved like like an alien octopus. And then as soon as she said that I was like, oh my gosh, like this is like, I've heard this before. I've heard this from like not only West, but I know a couple of people have like

Has they have said that on his show and I was like, oh my gosh, but then not because of that because it was and like And other people I was able to be like, well, you're not crazy like this is Like you can go and listen here and here and like go on YouTube here and like all these people have had the same experiences and It's just and like I said, it's around that general area and

Um, but what I thought was interesting too and I don't know, um, I was kind of trying to like give her space while she was on the phone with you, but um, like I live with her and what I thought was really like interesting and Her personality in the subsequent weeks after this happened

was totally like night and day. Like it definitely affected her. And I know that it really got to her. But I do think, like you said, I think it helped her to know that she was not the only one that experienced this. And that's what I did. I wanted her to talk to you. And I'm so glad she got to Dr. West.

Because I think that helps. I think like talking about it helps. Oh, she did talk to Wes. Huh? She did talk to Wes. Oh, no, I thought I heard her. I thought, um, was she talking to Wes before? We were playing clips from the interview I did with Wes. It's probably what you heard. Oh, got you. Okay. Okay. Yeah. Um, but yeah, just like just talking, talking about it. I think that helps. And cause it really did bother her. It got to her. So.

Yeah, I mean, I can understand that for sure. And I would expect that. If I saw what they saw, I mean, it changes you. And I'm looking at the map and, you know, her experience happened 25, 30 miles from where Wes had his experience. I mean, it's not far. Yeah. And so, I mean, man, I got to get out there. I got to get out there. Oh, yeah, definitely. But it's just, I think like I understand,

because it's for her it was like you wake up one day and like monsters aren't real and then you wake up next day and it's like okay monsters are real now like it's um it's it's like a complete 180 in it um i it changes you and yeah in some ways really good in some ways it just uh

It's, it's hard. It can be hard, but well, I, uh, I'm really excited to get out that way sometime next year. Uh, I was going to be going out to the West coast this year, but then, you know, with Lindsey being pregnant, it's just not good timing. Uh, but next year, probably mid, mid to late next year, I'll probably be heading on out that way. And, uh, I'll be, I'll be in LA for sure. And, uh, I'll make my way up the West coast up to the, uh, probably the Portland, Portland area.

Nice, yeah. And maybe even further up, I think I'd like to go up into Washington for sure. If I'm gonna be out there, I wanna get into Washington as well. Yeah. The Olympic Peninsula, things like that.

Well, that's the show, everybody. I really hope you enjoyed it. And if you did enjoy it, please share the show with your friends. This is the last public show that we're doing all for 2020. 2020 is in the bags. We got one more show coming up here for the members. But other than that, it is a wrap, friends. And honestly, thank God.

Get us going on the right foot for 2021. If you love this episode, which I know you did because it was freaking awesome, please share it around all the social networks everywhere. Put a note on somebody's car. I don't care how you share the show, but just share this freaking show so that we can get going on the right foot for 2021 because God knows we need it. All right, guys, until next week, stay safe. Take care and remember the truth will set you free, but first we'll piss you off. See you in 2021. Bye.

I sold my soul for love, paid my waiting gold for love. Cheated I lied I stole for love, lived my body down on a bed of colds for love. I broke the love for love, left my mind on a pop. The love took a cold heart this day.

It all fell out, made my way from York to Coeur d'Alene, hoping my love could change. Made a fool of myself down in Salt Lake City for my young gun, run away. But you'd be okay, I was born with a heart that ain't never gonna break.

Lay down and die for a set of light and love Siding it all from love Got all tangled up in the thorns for love

Hundred times stronger like a broken body

Lay down and die for a settlement I love Cause I did it all for love, all for love I didn't do it all for love Yes, I did it all for love