RELOADED | 170: Bigfoot In Rural Pennsylvania

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This was all circulating around the base that a giant had to kill, but no one was supposed to talk about it. I saw three long bony fingers reach up underneath the door, curl up to grab it, and then disappear. When he came over to me, dude, he slithered over to me. And this giant comes out of a cave and they're all frozen.

And he starts running and firing up this giant. For the giant move, he's got a spear. In one hand, he's running really fast and spears Dan holds him up like this. Somebody else shoot him in the face, shoot him in the face. They basically decapitated him. Got closer, got closer, got closer. When he got about 15 yards away from me, I raised that 4th gate and I blow this head off.

I feel something pulling at my leg and I look over and there are two small gray entity pulling it. And literally I'm getting pulled off the bed. I reach my hand into this bush and I touch air. Couldn't breathe and it couldn't move because I know I'm seeing a monster. Okay, I reload it!

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Now we got a great show coming up here for you. We have Jeff coming on and Jeff had a Bigfoot experience right outside the Philadelphia area, not very far from where I live. And it kind of rocked his world where he had to face a new reality that he never thought he'd have to face. And then years down the road, his son, who didn't really believe him a whole lot, didn't really believe in Bigfoot, had his own experience in this area as well. And so it's a great show coming up here for you guys. But before we get into it, I want to let you guys know that I should have told you last week

on the website, theconfessionalspodcast.com. On the homepage, you'll see a video interview featuring me through CryptoVania TV. They brought me out. It was a fun time with these guys hanging out with them. We went out swatching after the interview, but the interview itself is about an hour and a half long, and they asked me some great questions that nobody's really ever asked me before. So if you guys want to listen to that and watch that, go to theconfessionalspodcast.com right after this show. So without any further delay, let's go.

Okay, today we got Jeff on the show. Jeff, how you doing, man?

I'm doing great. How are you doing? Good man. So you email us a little while back and you had a Bigfoot experience here in Pennsylvania. Actually, you have a few that you'd like to talk about. And I'm always up to hearing people's stories about Bigfoot in Pennsylvania since I'm in Pennsylvania as well. And actually you're not too far from me. So, but we'll keep my, my exact location between you and I. So we won't, we won't tell the whole world. But if you could just kind of walk us into your first experience. I know it happened a while ago and stuff, but it's very interesting.

Well, it was a while ago, but I remember it like it was yesterday. This was back in 2002, and it happened in Lycoming County, Pennsylvania, on the west branch of the Susquehanna River. I was going on a little like a weekend camping trip with a friend, and while there,

He was going to teach me how to flint nap, make arrowheads. And while there, we would walk the fields at the bottom of the mountain. They were freshly plowed fields and we looked through those fields for arrowheads. I collected Indian artifacts. So that was the whole reason to go there. I was about to deploy with my National Guard unit and he thought I needed some time off.

before we went to just have some fun and stop worrying about being deployed and getting all your finances in order and all that things that go along with that. That was the whole plan of going there. I wasn't not a Bigfoot believer at the time or one of the researcher people or anything like that. It had nothing to do with Bigfoot. I'm a hunter.

And I liked to be in the outdoors a lot. And, you know, I've never, ever even thought about it before this happened. So anyway, the first day was very relaxed and I had a lesson in it. And then it was great up until the moment when I put an inch long swiverer of obsidian into the palm of my hand and cut myself pretty severely.

So that was the end of the lesson for the day. I should have had stitches, but he put a butterfly on it and we decided that we'd walk these fields and look for some artifacts. It was early summer, late spring, somewhere where the corn was maybe knee high in one field and maybe two, three inches in the other field that we were looking at. So we walked the fields and

I found a couple broken arrowheads, nothing special and I was getting really bored. So I had looked at the topographical map and I've seen that there was a creek coming into the river just down from this campsite a little bit and I thought, you know, let's walk up that creek. I'm really good at finding them along creek beds. You know, I found hundreds of arrowheads that way.

So he agreed to go up. He never did that before and he was he was just starting to collect arrowheads at the time, but he was really good at making him But really good. You know he gets two hundred dollars a lesson for this to teach you people how to do this so It was interesting and he was interested in the real artifacts. So we kind of hit it off and Up this valley we go and search in these artifacts now

Not exactly sure how far we were up the valley. From looking at the topographical map, I think he got tired. Maybe a little less than a mile up the creek. He got tired. It was really hot that day. It was probably like 90 degrees and I had

my canteen a water with, and he probably didn't have anything. I'm not sure if he did or not, but I know he was getting dehydrated. He had enough. We weren't finding anything. I mean, not a chip, not a flake, nothing. And usually, you can find artifacts along any creek in Pennsylvania because the Indians used every good source of water. That's just where they

camp close to them and they're hunting camps and their villages were down at the bottom. So we weren't finding anything and he got tired of that. And he said, I want to go back to the camp and make something to eat and blah, blah, blah. So I said, all right, I'm pretty determined to find something. I said, I want to get to the head of this creek because I know within 50 meters of every creek, you know, where the spring is, where it first comes out of the ground, there's always an artifact camp there.

There's always an Indian camp there or you can always find artifacts at almost every spring in Pennsylvania So I was determined to find the head and I wasn't sure where it was because you know on a on a topple map It's not always accurate where the blue line starts and stops And you know some a lot of times what it shows you on the map the spring is actually the head is actually a little further than what the blue line is so I'm not going up the valley and

It just started getting so thick. He turned back and I was alone and it just started getting sicker and sicker and sicker with Rhododendron. It eventually became like a prison where I was stepping over through, under, over trying to get through this stuff, trying to stay on the creek bed became impossible. And I got to, I was hearing things at the time,

But just, you know, I just thought, you know, wrote it off as deer. I hear deer kicking up every now and then. This is a good ticket. I might see a bear in here, you know, anything. But, you know, those things didn't really bother me because I hunted bear. I hunted deer and I've seen them, you know, up close. You know, there was never, never really any concern. You know, they usually don't want you. They, they run away. And, uh,

You know, there's no really reason to be afraid in the woods normally. So I'm driving on, like I always do, you know, pushing on up the creek, looking at every sandbar, trying to find an arrowhead, couldn't find anything. And eventually I started, you know, like I said, I was getting so sick, I was just becoming a struggle. And the last sandbar I checked

had a crushed aluminum can on it. I don't know if there's a beer can or soda can. I don't really remember anymore. But I thought, oh, geez, this trick must go all the way up to the highway and go underneath it to have picked up that beer can. Because this was a pretty pristine area. It's pretty remote. So I'm thinking, and I can hear a highway way off in the distance. It sounded like it was maybe two miles away, but you can hear tractor trailers pretty far when you're in the mountains.

So I thought, you know, I'm not prepared to go that far. I only have maybe half a canteen of water left and maybe one little snack in my little day pack. So I'm going to get out of this mess that I'm in, that I'm climbing through and struggling to get through this road of denry. It's just a tangled mess. It was horrible. So I remember seeing on the top of graphical map that there was a logging road to my left up out of the

up out of the creek area, you know, up at worst. The level's off a little. And that's what I was going to do. I was going to make my left turn out of there, just go uphill until I got out of the thicket and up to that logging road. And I was going to go back down the mountain and go home. Well, I got up out of the creek area and I found the logging path and

And right there, there was a little area where you could see when they blasted in the logging path many years ago that they pushed a little pile of dirt up. And I have found arrowheads in those piles before, because usually when they're making those roads, they usually go over a nice flat and they camp on those nice flat areas. And subsequently, they push the arrowheads away with the dirt and they're in these piles. So I thought, OK, I'm going to check this pile up before I go back.

I took off my pack and I'm digging through this pile and, you know, it was only, you know, maybe two feet high piled up and I just dug through that quickly and there was nothing in it, no chips, no nothing. There was too little northern ring neck snakes in it and that was it. So I tried catching them, they got away and that pissed me off. And I thought, you know, I've had enough, I'm not feeling all the greatest, you know, I was just, I don't know, I was just feeling uneasy

Maybe it was dehydration. I don't know what it was, but I just didn't want to be there anymore. And I was thought, you know what, I'm ready to get off this hill. So I put my pack on and I turned around and I took about two steps down the road. I was looking on the road because like I said, sometimes you see them on the surface. The effort of the ground has been eroded away or it's been pushed with a blade or whatever. And I'm looking, I took about two steps onto the road and I hear a noise in front of me and I look up and there the damn thing is.

It's about maybe no more than 60 yards away and it instantly turned to its right and started running. Well, I didn't get a real good look at it, you know, the whole body, you know, from like the waist up because it was into that. It was probably Laurel there. It was probably Mount Laurel. It was into the Laurel really quick. I mean, the thing was so fast you would not believe it. It was like a flash.

But I did see it for about eight seconds running. And I could see the legs under the laurel because the deer had everything browsed off to about maybe five feet high as high as they could reach. And from as high as they could reach down was clear, except for the stems and stuff. But above that was pretty thick with leaves and things because it was, you know, stuff had bleached out by then early summer. It was pretty great. So.

I just, at first I thought it was a bear, and as it, you know, I stood there, I froze, and as it was running, I, you know, I could focus on the legs, and I could see these two enormously muscular, huge, hair-covered legs, and they were stepping out really, really fast, and like I said,

I don't even know how to explain it. It was almost as if time stood still for a little while. I froze and I swear a thousand thoughts went through my head and that's a couple seconds. And I don't know if I was going into shock from what I was seeing, but I felt like I was going to throw up. I got really nauseous and scared.

When this thing got through the mountain laurel and got into the tangled road of Denver and where I just came from, you could hear the crashing and the snapping of the branches. It literally sounded like a bulldozer busting through the trees. I mean, it was so loud. I think that's what frightened me the most was the sound of these things snapping a crashing

I just came up out of there. I know what that stuff's like. It's very flexible and hard to break. It's very, uh, fibrous, wrote a dendron. Our mountain, yeah, wrote a dendron down by the creek. The mountain laurel was up on the hill, but, uh, so I hear this snapping and crashing. And that's when, you know, the fear really set in. I was just about ready to, uh, to soil my drawers. Uh, and this thing blasted through that.

wrote a dendron like nothing in seconds, like a freight train out of control. You know, it sounded like a train wreck. And it got down into that creek bed and immediately went up the other side of the mountain. It got steep right there on the other side. I can remember that on the topographical map that it was, you know, I could, that's how I found where I was on the topographical map by the terrain features.

You know, that was part of my job in the Army, map reading and all that stuff and pretty good at it. So I found, you know, he went up that steep thing. So fast, I couldn't believe it and was going. You know, I'm still standing there frozen in my tracks and I'm starting to, the panic is really, and the dread is starting to overwhelm me. And I just thought, you know, the only way out of here

is in the direction where that thing was just standing. I really don't want to run that direction, but I know any of the direction I go is going to get me lost and get me further away than where I need to be. So, you know, I'm getting all the hairs standing up on my arms, thinking about the stamp thing. So,

I just panicked and I just started running as fast as I could. And I ran right past where it was standing and I didn't even want to look. I didn't even want to look. I didn't want to see this thing. I wanted it to be a bear in the worst way, but I knew that it wasn't. And I knew it wasn't a man in a suit because a man in a suit can't run 35 miles an hour through the woods busting through trees and like it was nothing. And I've seen bears run through the woods many kinds

You know, if they run, they can run really fast, and they barely make a sound. They could have weaved in and out of that stuff like it was nothing to them. This thing didn't care. It just pulled out through it. And I'm standing there, I'm thinking, if this thing wants me, I'm dead. There's no way I could ever outrun whatever the hell that is. You know, at that time, I wasn't like,

You know, I didn't really follow the Bigfoot story so I wasn't all Educated on the subject. I remember my dad took me to see the Patterson fell back in the 60s when I was a little kid and I think it aired with chariots of the gods and It was like a before the movie the feature it was like little shorts or whatever

And, you know, my dad was a game warden all my life and we hunted old since I was little. I've been hunting since I was old enough to carry a gun. And I don't remember dad ever even talking about Bigfoot after that. I don't remember ever asking him about it either. But, you know, like I said, I wasn't one of these people that run around the woods clacking sticks together and making whooping noises and all that stuff, you know.

I was just a regular guy out looking for arrowheads, and I seen this thing, and it just scared me. I always thought I was a really brave guy. I was an infantry soldier. I've been in the military since 1986. I finally got my discharge in 2006, but nothing during my military career. And believe me, I've done some

You know, pretty dangerous stuff and been in some hot, hot areas, you know, I got the hospital for her day under my belt. I was never that scared overseas or anything, but this I was not ready for. I was not prepared to deal with what I saw because I didn't believe it. And still today, I don't want to believe it because it ruined hunting for me completely. I, you know, I really like hunting, but

This thing is in the back of my mind every time I go out in the woods at night. And a lot of people ridicule me for believing in this thing. The few people that I've managed to tell, you know, they're like, well, it's in foil hat. It's like, look, it's all fun and games until you actually see something. I said, I didn't believe it either. But I'm telling you what I saw. And I said, you know, I'm at the point where

I really don't care what if people believe me or not. I'm not there to convince anybody anything about anything. You know, I don't care. I just know what I saw personally, and I know how it affected me. I had bad dreams about it. It seemed like on the anniversary, close to the anniversary, that time of year, late spring or early summer, I'll have a bad dream about one of these giant things, whatever the hell they are.

Jeff, I know that you said you were having these bad dreams, but let's rewind a little bit. What happened once you ran to safety? Did you tell anyone? I didn't say anything. When I finally ran down the mountain, I was running so damn fast. I didn't even know I could run that fast. I was, I think 42 at the time. And I wasn't in the greatest shape, but I wasn't, you know, I was still able to pass my physical fitness tests in the military.

I was on a detailed guarding the nuclear power plant in Limerick at the time. I'm carrying a full combat load at work and a fully automatic machine gun. They don't just give 210 rounds of live ammo and machine gun to just anybody. They're certainly not going to let me do it if I tell anybody about what I just saw. When I finally ran down the mountain,

I was somehow I gained my composure because I knew if I kept running as fast as I would, I was going to fall and I'd probably break something and maybe not be able to get out of there on my own power. So I'm thinking, you've got to slow down. You've got to slow down. You're going to fall these rocks. I'm jumping over logs. I'm going like a dam deer through the forest as fast as I could. I did manage to gain my composure and slow down a little bit.

And then eventually I just slowed it down to a nice little jog where I was able to start thinking clearly again and regain my composure and get out of this panic mode that I was in. But I did run all the way down to the river. I didn't stop for a second. I didn't look back one time. Like I said, it literally scared the crap out of me.

And I got down to the river, and my buddy asked me if I found anything. I just looked at him like, I didn't want to talk about it. And he's going, no, I said, no, I didn't find nothing. Nothing up that valley. The Indians didn't use that for some reason. And these things have been around as long as the legends say they have. I can see why the Indians didn't use that valley, because I found out

from one of these researchers, I told him my story, and he instantly came back with a previous sighting from five years earlier, almost identical to mine at the exact same spot. And that just blew me away. I was like, oh my God, because I never made a formal report on it to one of these websites or wherever. I kept this to myself because I had a job where I had to carry a firearm

And I didn't want to jeopardize that. My military career, you know, I wanted to get promotions. You start talking like that in public. My God, you'll never get promoted. They'll take your damn weapon away from you and they'll put you in a rubber room. So I pretty much kept it to myself for a long time, but I'm retired now. You know, I'm 57 years old. You know, I told my kids about this thing and they said, you should tell your story dad before you.

you pass someone or something would happen to you. You know, people need to hear this. And I'm thinking, it took me a long time before I was considering it. And then when I, you know, I, I, I seen a newspaper article, online article from somewhere out in Western Pennsylvania about a bigfoot sliding out there. And people were leaving the usual comments, you know, the, you know,

You know, you're crazy type of comments and all that stuff and mocking the subject and I made the mistake of leaving a comment. I said, yeah, it's all fun and games until you have 160 yards in front of you. Well, that started a rash of contacts. I probably should have never said anything on social media because a bunch of people were, you know, trying to get in touch with me and it just, you know, it just kind of pushed me further and further away from telling my story.

Because like I said, it's not my subject. It's not something I want to believe in. I certainly never want to see another one. Not like that, anyhow. It didn't make any aggressive moves towards me. It didn't growl. I didn't smell anything. All the typical things that you read and hear on some of these nonsense videos and stuff. I didn't hear wood knocks or whatever they call them.

I had none of that, but I've seen this thing, and I know it was real. I know there's no way a man could move through the woods like that in a gorilla's suit on a 90-degree day or any day for that matter. So, you know, I kept it pretty much to myself until recently, and, you know, when I've seen your...

your uh... link on on uh... this researchers site well maybe i should tell somebody about it and you know maybe it'll help some of these guys that are interested in the subject they asked me if i wanted to go back to that valley show where was i said i'd never want to go back to that place again this is no joke it's a funny thing fun scared to live in shit out of me so you know it would take

an army. I'd have to take my whole platoon with me up that valley before I'd want to actually go up there again, and I would never go unarmed. I'd never go into the woods without a firearm. But, you know, I carry a pistol when I go into the woods, so I'm licensed to carry a firearm. But, you know, now that I think about it, this thing was big. My handgun would not stop that if it was charging me.

It wouldn't stop a bear. They barely stop crackheads. Please shoot these guys that are all hopped up on meth. They put five, six rounds in them and they're still coming at them. So I'm thinking, there's no way I'm going to stop. It's kind of pointless, but it makes me feel better. I feel a little safer. And this thing, just like I said, the legs were probably

As long as I am tall, I'm a little guy. I'm only five, five, six, five, five, something like that. And these legs were every bit as tall as me because I was, you know, picturing the browsed off trees and how high that was. That was about, you know, up to my nose at least. And the rest of it, I can't tell how big the rest of it was. When I seen the rest of it, it happened so fast.

You know, I don't even know that I really saw the face at all. I saw the side of the head. And if I did see the face, I'm totally, you know, blanked it out of my memory because I probably didn't want to remember it if I did see it. But I remember the head kind of reminded me of a. You ever see a coconut still growing on the tree? Yeah.

where they're still inside that outer shell, not the little ball that they sell at the grocery store, but the whole thing, the big football shape thing in the tree like that. And the top of the head was kind of like that, you know, kind of like a coconut. That's how I can describe it. And the hair was relatively short on the head. But the rest of the body, I would say the hair was probably no more than four inches long. It wasn't real, real long.

And it wasn't real matted looking to me. It was, you know, and it was a dark color. It could have been very dark brown, almost black. And I would guess this thing had to weigh at least judging from bear and stuff, experienced with hunting bear and gutting bear. What a big bear looks like. You know, I know what a 600 pound bear looks like.

This thing was probably double that it was probably twelve hundred pounds eleven hundred pounds maybe and Over eight feet tall. I can't be sure because it's kind of hard to judge heights Because I didn't stop to look at any branches where I you know I didn't do any comparisons or any of that stuff I was getting the hell out of there as fast as I could So I'm gonna It would had to be

It had to be probably close to eight feet or more, at least, maybe more, maybe 10 foot. I don't know. Like I said, it just moved so fast. It was unbelievable how fast this thing picked up speed and in such a short amount of time. And yeah, that's pretty much my story on that.

Well, I appreciate you coming on the show to share your story and you gave such great detail on what you saw, man. It definitely sounds like it's something that really affected you and impacted you on a deep level. How long ago was this for you that you experienced this? This was in 2002. I remember the year because it was right before I was going to deploy overseas.

My buddy thought it'd be a good idea. My buddy thought it'd be a good idea since I wasn't going to see him for a year. You know, we were pretty tight, you know, hanging out and going looking for arrowheads. And I thought, uh, he goes, bright idea. Let's go on a camping trip. See, relax before, you know, because, uh, things were happening at the power plant. We were getting some genuine threats there. And I just wanted to get off that detail because I wanted to deploy with my buddies.

You know, I was on state active duty garden, the power plant that was Operation Noble Eagle. And then I found out that my home station in Kutztown, Pennsylvania was about to deploy. So I asked to be relieved of that detail and I took a little break and I was going to have a good time before I was going for a year. Well, it was fun at first, but the second day kind of was pretty bad.

It definitely sounds like it's something that really affected you. And, you know, it's interesting you, you mentioned Kutztown, Pennsylvania, because that's actually where I grew up. And so. Really? Yeah. Yeah. I grew up in Kutztown, Pennsylvania. And then I moved to Hamburg in two, no, in 1999. So my father was a game warden in the Hamburg area. Really? Yeah.

See, I have a good friend in the Charlottesville area who had a Bigfoot encounter in game land 110.

Oh my, that's not far away at all. No, he actually saw it on Christmas Eve 2015. I think it was, yeah, it was 2015 and that kind of launched him into the whole Bigfoot topic. He was up there hiking one night and, you know, Christmas Eve and he saw this white Bigfoot shoot across the landscape.

It just shot them down this whole research rabbit hole. And, you know, as many people do where they either dive into the topic full on or they kind of resist it, kind of like you did, where you didn't want to talk about it. You just kind of let it go. Uh, it seems like these creatures, when people see them have, uh, extreme effects on people, either it's an extreme effect of we're extremely going to jump into research and dive into this, you know, head on or we're extremely going to ignore it and pretend it never happened.

That's what I did for a long time. I tried to forget about it and pretended never happened because Just the thought of that seeing that again while I'm out hunting Was ruining hunting for me, you know, I didn't want to I used to have no problem walking up into the mountains at 1 o'clock in the morning for miles by myself in the dark You know to get to my remote spot before it got light Now forget it I usually wait till it's just about getting light and try to creep in

And I'm out of the woods before it gets dark because this is in the back of my head all the time. I don't want to see this thing again. Yeah, it's understandable. So you, your son had an experience and this experience that he had, I'm assuming is more recently and it actually is a lot closer to where you live now and actually where I live. So if you could just share with us what your son experienced.

Well, I'll try to get some back up on the story a little bit to, you know, see, kind of piece this together. You know, I live in a fairly remote area. You don't have any traffic lights or street lights or gas stations or anything in the township. It's wooded.

mountainous people that live near rural mountains called hills but you know people in Berks County call them mountains. So anyhow it's very hilly and wooded and lots of water and it's a protected area against development. Most of my neighbors have at least 10 acres, some of them have 500 acres of forest.

undisturbed. It's gorgeous here. It's beautiful. The waters protected federally against, you know, people, like Nestle, they tried to come in and buy land here to pump all the water out. Yeah. We got rid of them. And so it's a real pristine area. It's beautiful. I don't think it's been disturbed much since the 1700s when they came through here and did a lot of charcoal burning for the forges.

the iron forges in the 1700s, we had some iron forges down in the low box still area back then. So there's some charcoal hearth and stuff like that. But other than that, the woods themselves are pretty much undisturbed. Some people log every so many years, but it's still undeveloped. And I have a fairly nice home and

You know some some beautiful scenery and I like to spend a lot of time outdoors I have a big covered patio in the back and I sit out there at night and I make a fire in the yard I have a big fire pit, you know the typical redneck fire pit bring us rocks out in the middle of the yard and You know, I like to sit on the patio and have a couple yinglings and Just listen to the Katie did's and the tree frogs and whatnot and the howls and the coyotes and all the good stuff of

you know, the country life. And I guess this was about the last week, one of the last weeks in August when I was out there and I heard this sound echoing up the valley. It was a whooping noise. It was like, is that a coyote?

That doesn't sound like a coyote. And then all of a sudden on the other mountain, I hear this, whoop, whoop, whoop, whoop. It sounded like five or six of them whooping the same sound, but like answering back. And I'm thinking, I'm thinking for my first thought was these, these nuts that go out whooping in the woods at night, you know, the reason the people that like to chase these things down. And I'm thinking, Oh my God, I got Bigfoot wackos right down the street from me, right?

You know, I shouldn't call them wackos, but you know, they're they're really really into it and I'm not I just I just I'm not I'm gonna go out there and smack sticks together and whooping the woods So I heard this and it was loud. It was really loud. I mean, this must have been maybe a mile down the valley that I heard this coming from And you know when I first heard it I thought coyotes, but then when I listened to the replies I'm thinking no, I hunt coyotes. That's not coyotes

I never heard that before. And then I intrigued me so I contacted a researcher about it and I said, do they make noises? And he sent me a link to something on YouTube. And what I listened to sounded like coyotes to me and I'm thinking, well, that's not what I heard. And so I never really said anything about it.

You know, I thought, well, it kind of sounded like something you'd hear on some jungle documentary, you know, in the Amazon rainforest or something. It was like a primate sound. Like, I don't know, like, like, you're rangatangs or monkeys or something. It was weird. And I knew it wasn't coyotes. And, you know, at that time, I was like, well, I was probably the nuts, you know, these people that are what you'd do.

I shouldn't say nuts, but that's what I thought. You know, it's like these big bird researchers out here hollering in the woods. That's probably what I heard or some kids partying or something like that. And I kind of like blew it off and didn't think anything about it. So a couple of days go by, I think this may be two days go by and, you know, I was on my ATV path behind my house.

I have a lot of woods and I have logging roads that I take my side by side on and we use it to hunt and pull firewood out of it and whatnot. There's a one spot in the road right before I turn back onto my property, right behind my one shed.

When I turn my wheels, it tilts the ground up and like a rotatailer. If you ever been on an ATV or a side by side, you know, when you turn the wheels and them things, they really tear up the sod. You don't want to drive on your wall because it'll destroy it. So anyhow, the ground was real loose there. And the rest of the ground all around it was pretty packed, pretty hard and, you know, rocks on the surface.

You know, you don't usually see any footprints or anything like that. So I was walking by because I have a little bench there in the woods at the top of the mountain where I usually have my morning coffee. Before I start my day, I kind of like, yeah, I'm retired now and I like to ease into the morning. I don't like to jump right up and start work and doing whatever. So I'm going out to have my coffee and I look down and I see this big imprint in the ground. And I'm thinking, what the hell is that?

I walked over to it and I looked down at it and I'm looking at it and I'm thinking, geez, it really looks like a human footprint, but it's awfully big and I put my foot next to it and I thought that's about twice the size of my foot. And I'm looking at it and it looks like I can see a heel and I can see toes and I'm like, no, this can't be. And I'm thinking,

right away, somebody's trying to prank me or something like that. But I really haven't been talking about Bigfoot to anybody in the area or, you know, just online on the researchers. And so I went in and I got my son and I brought him out. I said, I want you to look at this. I'm not going to say anything. I want you to look at it. And I want, I want to know what you think when you see it. Well, he came out and he looked at it and his jaw dropped open. I said, does that look like a boot track to you? No.

I said, what's it look like to you? He said, a barefoot human, but huge. I said, OK. I said, you see toes, right? Yes. You see a heel mark in the back? Yes. OK. I'm going to go get my camera and I'm going to get a tape measure. And I'm going to try and get a documentation. And if I didn't have any plaster to do one of them, cast that those guys do.

But I don't think it would have turned out that great anyhow, because it wasn't a real clear track. But you could see what it was. So I measured it. It was about 16 inches long. It was about almost 8 inches wide. And I did find another track about four feet away. I measured it. I could only see the back half of it, the other side, the other foot. So the track I took a picture of was the right foot.

And the half of the track was the left foot. But I only got from like the heel up to about the middle of the foot because the toe part was on solid ground again where it wasn't to soften, you know, tilled up by the tires. It was on rock. But the heel was in there and you could see the heel. The first track with the full foot was

I tried to reproduce it with my muck boots. I put my muck boots on and I tried to make a track next to it and he was like, no, that's not much more than that. And you can see the tread very clearly from my boots. And then I noticed in the heel of the track, there was a nut there that was pressed into the ground a little bit.

And you could actually see where the heel of the foot kind of wrapped around the nut, you know, and just made imprints on either side of it. I don't know how to try it like, but it was like a pad. You could see it pushed down on it. But, and then I tried putting my foot on it and I crushed the nut with the heel of my boot. So, and it left the track in the track. So I'm thinking,

you know this might actually be something you know I might you know my kid says it looks like a human footprint it's big and I don't know anybody with 16 inch feet and so I didn't think anything about it

Jeff, I know that you said that your son doesn't really believe in these things, but at what point did he become swayed to these things actual existence? Right. My, my son is my older son. He's a non-believer. And, you know, when I told him the story, you know, he just listened to it and probably laughed and never thought anything about it again. Well, he works nights at the local grocery store and it takes him about half an hour to get home.

and he gets done at midnight and he was coming home about, I think it was two nights after I found the track. He's coming home and he gets up onto the top of the mountain here and he starts coming down through the woods and he sees something in the middle of the road. Now he told me, he goes, you know how in the headlights

You can see the road really clearly to a point and then out a headier headlights where they're shining, you can still see a little bit. He said, that's where this thing was at first. And I wasn't sure if I was even seeing anything at first. He said, I can't, you know, you couldn't tell at first what it was. But then when his headlights got right on top of it and lit the whole thing up, it turned and bolded.

And he said it was like a flash, how fast it was. And at first he thought it was a person. And, you know, where we live, people aren't going to be standing out in the middle of the road in 1230 at night. There's, like I said, it's remote and there's nothing around and there's no street lights and it's, you know, not time for people to be jogging. And I said, well, what was it? Was it a deer?

And he didn't want to even talk about it at first because he was rattled. And I said, he goes, it was dark. He's being really vague. I said, well, was it, was it big? And he goes, yeah, it was big. I said, well, how big bigger than you? And I said, well, that doesn't tell me much. You know, I was, you know, I was like pulling teeth from a chick and trying to get answers out of this kid.

And I kept drilling them. I said, well, what color was it? It was dark. And he was kind of getting irritated with me because I was asking him these questions. And I said, well, was it on two legs or four legs? It was on two legs. And I said, oh, now we're getting somewhere. It was on two legs, bigger than a person. Oh, yeah. And I said, was it covered? But Harry goes, I don't know. It was dark. And when it ran,

I slammed on my brakes and because he was scared when he realized it was something on two legs that was, you know, and I went through that area. And a lot of deer crossed the road right there. A lot of deer. I mean, we sometimes, I've seen 80 deer in that one field at one time already. Remember that one year when we had that blizzard on Halloween? Well,

The day before that storm, I seen 80 deer in that field. So that gives you an idea how much of a population of deer there are in this area. It's ridiculous. Every night I have at least, you know, a dozen deer in my front yard. People spot light them and shine them in my windows and it drives you crazy because there's so many deer here. I wasn't seeing deer for weeks when that stuff was going on. Nothing.

It was weird. You know, I even threw apples out for them. Not one apple would disappear. That's unheard of here. You know, I have an apple tree. The deer usually come and take them. Nothing. They didn't touch them. Not a single deer in the area. And I just couldn't figure it out why. And then when he said he saw this thing, I'm thinking, that's a major crossing right there. It was standing right where the deer crossed the road. It was standing on a damn road probably waiting for a deer.

So he said it bolded. He slammed on his brakes, scared him pretty bad. He was shook up when he came home. He didn't really want to talk about it. You know, and he wasn't a believer up until that point, but he's, he's, he's, he's pretty convinced now. Yeah, I was going to ask you if he, if he's actually a believer now or not. So I guess he is. Well, I think he's on the same page. I am. I don't really want to believe.

I was much happier, not knowing. Yeah, but you don't have much of a choice now, huh? No, no. Like I said, I do my best to put it out of my head while I'm out hunting. I know from my first experience that if a thing wanted to kill me, it surely could have and it didn't. It wanted nothing to do with me. It didn't want me to see it. It didn't want me to, you know, I don't know if these things have been shot at by hunters or whatever, but it had a genuine

need to get out of there as bad as I needed to get out of there. We both couldn't run fast enough away from each other.

Now, are you a little surprised that they are on this side of the state the way they seem to be? For longest time, I didn't think that they were on this side of the state. And then when I looked into it more and more, I started finding more and more people claiming that they've seen it out here to the point now where you're just like, yeah, they're out here because not everybody's freaking lying. Yeah, I figure, you know, a lot of them YouTube videos and stuff are our hoaxes and stuff like that. I assume that right from the start.

And, you know, I've been, you know, I haven't interrogated people and tell of their lion. And, you know, some people have tells and you can judge people's body language whether you think they're telling the truth or not. Some people, I believe 100%. Some people, not so much. But, yeah, it's an unusual subject. I've been thinking about it more and more lately

And my personal thought is, if these things are eating deer or anything for that matter, if they're a physical being where they have to eat, if it's not some kind of supernatural thing that we don't understand, whatever it is, it's real. And if they have to eat, they're going to have to keep on the move. They're going to have to

be very nomadic. They're not going to live in one place. They can't afford to be found out, hunted, tracked, or noticed. If they want to remain completely, you know, hidden from humans, they got to be on the move all the time. They can't stay in one place too long. And, you know, because they're going to

Use up all the game in that area. They're going to scare all the deer out of the area. Just their presence. The thing I noticed here is normally the deer are very tame in the early season, in the summer. They're not really afraid of you. They'll come right up in my yard while I'm grilling deer on the grill.

They do it all the time. I have pictures, tons of pictures. I have a picture of five bucks standing 20 feet away from me under my apple tree while I'm growing deer steaks. This year, if a deer saw you, it bolted instantly, even in the early season. That's natural during hunting season, but usually during the summer, they're not that skittish. And I noticed they were very afraid this year.

For some reason, I don't understand. But if they, like I said, if they feed on deer, they're going to have to keep on the move and get into fresh areas all the time. Because, you know, you deplete the game. And if they're smart, like people say they are, they're not going to want to deplete the game. They're going to want to go to a fresh area, take a deer here, take a two deer here, keep moving and remain unseen as much as possible.

No, everything. I said something to my neighbor one time. That was a big mistake. And I said, you know, about what happened. I said, I think I saw something one time. In fact, I know I saw something, but you know, he gave me the tin hat thing and he gave me the question. Well, how come no one's ever found a dead one? I said, I can't answer that question, but how often do you see a dead bear? Have you ever come across a dead bear? Yeah.

No, well, we have thousands of there in Pennsylvania. How many people see there? Not a hell of a lot. I mean, compared to the number of people and compared to the number of there, most never get to see them. You know, and even hunters. I don't know how many years I spent $20 on a bear license and didn't see anything but deer. Many, many years. And yet they're there. They're everywhere.

And I said to him the same thing. I said, look at Monster Buck. We have these enormous deer in this area, huge, huge racks. You very rarely ever see them, but they're there. And they hide in people's backyards and little Chinese patches of woods, places that you would never even think that that deer would be. You know, I would think these things don't need thousands of acres to live.

They can slip in and out of little areas without being noticed in the dead of night. Apparently, they're very good at traveling in the night. They don't have to move in the daytime. I can't explain it, but if they're as smart as people think they are, it would be no problem for them.

Yeah, that's kind of how I feel too and stuff. I mean, I think that these things are, they have to be smart in order to remain so elusive. I mean, it's one of the things where, okay, we have bear in Pennsylvania, but a black bear is nowhere near the size of what these creatures are. And to me, they'd have to be at least intelligent on a certain level, just to remain elusive, you know? Exactly. Smarter than the average bear.

You can say that again. You can say that again. But Jeff, man, I appreciate you coming on and sharing your stories, man. I really do. And the fact that you're so close to where I live and stuff is a little extra fascinating for me. Well, yeah, yeah, it was close to home. I never thought I'd see or hear anything here, but either

Either like, I got a bunch of people out here that are those people that bang sticks together and whoop in the woods. And somebody's making fake footprints, but I doubt it. This isn't the kind of place that you would want to run around at night. People get shot out here for that. You know, it's a raw area. Everybody has a gun in their house. Yeah. I don't think they'd be prowling around in my backyard. It was, you know, it's like I said, no one lives real close to me.

It's not like the suburbs of the country. Yeah, it definitely is. And I totally agree with you. Before we get out of here, though, you know, you saw this thing up close, your son saw it. What's your thoughts on it, though, as far as, you know, what these things are? I mean, are they natural just creatures that we haven't been able to pin down yet? I don't think they are. To be honest, just the feeling I get, you know, that may be nothing, you know, my opinion, a gut feeling.

I just have a feeling whatever these things are, it's far beyond our comprehension. The truth, whatever the truth is, it's more bizarre than we could ever anticipate. I tend to agree with you. I really do. I just don't feel that anything that could remain this hidden. I'm sure our government knows a whole lot more about it than we do.

Oh, for sure. I mean, the government knows a lot more than they lead on about a lot of different topics. And I'm sure this is one of those topics that they kind of keep clamped down a little bit. But yeah, I definitely think that these things are more than just a physical monster running around the woods. When I first started looking into the topic, I've never seen any creatures out of the ordinary in the woods.

When I first started looking into it, I was on the assumption that I just believed that these were just a giant gorilla running around the woods we haven't discovered yet. The more I looked into it and the more stories I heard from different people, the more I had to start making sense of certain things that just didn't relate logically to me.

And then I started, you know, looking into things more and more, and I started coming across different stories of people talking about these creatures doing things right in front of them that didn't seem natural. And you start hearing all these different stories and you start thinking, okay, so can all these people be lying? Yeah, I guess theoretically sure they all could be lying, but I mean, what are the odds that you have this many people coming forward to share

these stories of these creatures doing bizarre things, like paranormal type things right in front of them. And these people are willing to put their stories out there on the line, their reputation. And it's just at some point you start thinking, okay, well, maybe there's something a little more here than what meets the eye. Yeah, I agree. I agree. You know, a lot of these people that come forward

You know, they're not looking for fame and fortune. They, uh, they don't really care if anyone believes them or not. You know, like, you know, people can tell, you know, hear my story and sound full of baloney and, you know, I don't really care. I don't care what you believe or not. If that makes you feel good, not knowing or not believing in anything, that's, that's fine. And I'll, I'll respect that. But, you know, I'm at the point in my life now where I really, I really, uh,

I have nothing to gain. I have nothing to lose. I hear that, sir. Well, thank you very much for coming on the show and sharing your experiences. All right. It was great talking with you.

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