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    Radical Candor: From theory to practice with author Kim Scott

    enDecember 10, 2023
    What is Radical Candor according to Kim Scott?
    How does Radical Candor impact team dynamics?
    What are the dangers of ruinous empathy?
    Why is self-awareness important in leadership?
    How can leaders create a culture of trust?

    Podcast Summary

    • The Power of Radical Candor in Communication and LeadershipRadical Candor involves caring personally and challenging directly, creating an environment of honest feedback and support that improves communication, team dynamics, and overall effectiveness in leadership roles.

      Radical Candor is the key to effective communication and leadership. Radical Candor is a concept coined by author Kim Scott, which involves caring personally and challenging directly. It is important to strike a balance between showing empathy and providing honest feedback. Radical Candor is not about being aggressive or rude, but about creating an environment where people feel valued and supported while also receiving constructive criticism. Obnoxious aggression, on the other hand, is detrimental to both individuals and teams, as it damages relationships and hinders productivity. By practicing Radical Candor, leaders can improve their communication skills, foster stronger team dynamics, and ultimately be more effective in their roles.

    • The Importance of Radical Candor in Effective CommunicationPrioritizing honest feedback and using the Radical Candor framework improves relationships, work effectiveness, and overall happiness. Be kind and truthful in communication.

      The most common problem in communication occurs when we prioritize being nice over giving honest feedback, which is called ruinous empathy. Many of us fear hurting others' feelings or offending them, so we hold back on telling them something that could benefit them in the long run. This often leads to ineffective communication and unsolved issues. While obnoxious aggression and manipulative insincerity are frequently depicted in TV shows and stories, ruinous empathy remains the biggest hurdle. It is crucial to remember that using the Radical Candor framework is not about judging ourselves or others harshly, but rather using it as a compass to guide conversations and improve relationships. Developing the skill of radical candor leads to stronger connections, better work, increased success, and overall happiness.

    • Balancing Care and Directness in Effective LeadershipEffective leaders show both personal care and direct challenge, creating a culture of trust and growth within a team or organization.

      Effective leadership involves both caring personally and challenging directly. Kim Scott shares an experience where her boss demonstrated this leadership style. Instead of sugar-coating her feedback, her boss directly addressed Kim's habit of saying "um" frequently, which made her sound unintelligent. This direct feedback was actually the kindest thing her boss could have done because it motivated Kim to seek help and improve her presentation skills. Additionally, her boss showed care and support by allowing her to prioritize her family when her father fell ill. This combination of personal care and direct challenge creates a culture of trust and growth within a team or organization, leading to better outcomes and stronger relationships.

    • Cultivating a Culture of Care and Radical Candor in the WorkplaceBy treating your team with genuine care and support, you can create a culture where individuals reciprocate this care, fostering positive relationships, promoting a healthy work environment, and leading to continuous improvement.

      Treating your team with real care creates a culture of caring within an organization. When a leader genuinely shows concern and support to their direct reports, it is more likely that those individuals will, in turn, treat their teams with the same level of care. This culture of caring is essential for fostering positive relationships and promoting a healthy work environment. Moreover, it is important to remember that radical candor should not be limited to criticism alone. It should begin with soliciting feedback and should include more praise than criticism. When having conversations, it is crucial to approach them with humility, stating the intention to be helpful, and keeping the dialogue open and respectful. These conversations should take place in a timely manner, ideally immediately, to address any issues and provide guidance for improvement.

    • The Importance of Genuine Engagement and Connection in Effective CommunicationEffective communication requires active listening and synchronous conversations to avoid misunderstandings. Feedback should be focused on actions and results, following the principles of HHIIPPP for a respectful and collaborative culture.

      Effective communication involves genuine engagement and connection. The phone, as an innovative communication tool, allows us to listen to the words being said, which is crucial in understanding and gauging the impact of our conversations. Email, text, and Slack often lack this personal touch and can lead to misunderstandings or ineffective feedback. Therefore, it is important to have synchronous conversations whenever possible. Additionally, when giving feedback, it is essential to focus on specific actions and results rather than criticizing someone's personality. By following the principles of HHIIPPP (humility, helpfulness, immediacy, in-person or synchronous communication, public praise, private criticism), we can maintain strong, effective communication and foster a culture of respect and collaboration.

    • Striking a Balance: Empathy and Honesty in LeadershipGenuine care for team members should be combined with the courage to address performance issues head-on, fostering a culture of trust, growth, and high performance.

      Leaders must strike a balance between empathy and honesty. Kim Scott's experience with Bob illustrates the dangers of ruinous empathy and manipulative insincerity. By avoiding difficult conversations and withholding constructive feedback, leaders not only hinder the growth and development of their team members, but also risk losing their top performers. In Kim's case, her reluctance to confront Bob's poor work resulted in frustration among the team and damaged their overall productivity. The lesson here is that genuine care for team members should be coupled with the courage to address performance issues head-on. By doing so, leaders can create a culture of trust, growth, and high performance, ultimately benefiting both individuals and the organization as a whole.

    • Prioritizing Growth and Development Over Approval: A Leader's ImperativeLeaders should prioritize the growth and development of their team members over seeking approval, fostering a culture of growth and excellence through constructive feedback and openness to receiving feedback themselves.

      As a leader, it's crucial to prioritize the growth and development of your team members over the need to be liked. Being afraid to give honest feedback and address shortcomings in someone's work can lead to a decline in performance and even loss of top performers. Rather than worrying about losing team members, leaders should focus on helping individuals improve and find their strengths. It's important to shift the mindset from seeking approval to genuinely caring for others and providing constructive feedback. Additionally, leaders should be open to receiving feedback themselves and be able to discern valuable input from irrelevant or unhelpful criticism. By adopting these approaches, leaders can foster a culture of growth and excellence within their team.

    • Effective feedback and career conversations for professional growthGiving feedback requires addressing patterns, understanding goals, and providing opportunities. Focus on care for individuals over being liked and utilize resources for effective career conversations.

      Giving effective feedback requires showing someone a pattern of mistakes, rather than just pointing out a few careless errors. This approach is particularly helpful when dealing with defensive individuals. It's important to communicate directly and persistently until the person understands the issue. Kim Scott emphasizes the need to prioritize demonstrating care for the individual over the fear of being liked by them. One should focus on understanding their career goals and motivations, having meaningful career conversations, and creating a career action plan together. By helping employees develop the necessary skills and providing relevant opportunities, managers can support their professional growth. Lastly, resources such as Russ Laraway's book "When they Win, You Win" provide valuable insights and tools for conducting effective career conversations.

    • Navigating the Challenges of Radical Candor in an Unwelcoming Culture.To practice radical candor in a culture resistant to direct feedback, start by soliciting criticism and asking for feedback in an authentic way, fostering open communication while being mindful of the impact of your words.

      Practicing radical candor in a culture that's not welcoming of direct feedback can be challenging, but it's not impossible. You don't have to only hire people who are open and ready for direct feedback. Even the author of the book on radical candor admits that it's difficult for her too. One way to navigate this challenge is by starting with soliciting criticism. By asking others for feedback first, you can improve your relationship with them, making it easier to give and receive feedback in the long run. When asking for feedback, it's crucial to ask in a way that feels authentic to you. Find a question that works for you, such as "What could I do or stop doing that would make it easier to work with me?" or "Tell me why I'm wrong?" The goal is to encourage open communication while considering the impact your words might have on others.

    • The Importance of Seeking Feedback and Creating a Safe SpaceManagers should actively seek feedback, create a safe space for employees to provide it, and genuinely show that they care about the input.

      Managers should actively seek feedback from their direct reports, cross-functional peers, and boss on a regular basis. This can be done during one-on-one meetings by setting aside about five minutes at the end to ask a go-to question such as "What am I doing wrong?" or "How can I help you be more successful?" It is important to vary the questions to keep the feedback meaningful and avoid sounding disinterested. Additionally, managers should be open to receiving critical feedback and create a safe space for their employees to provide it. Seeking feedback is just the first step, and it is crucial to show that you genuinely care about the input and will reward it. Remember, there are no magic words or scripts that can eliminate the discomfort of giving and receiving feedback.

    • The Art of Receiving Critical FeedbackEmbrace discomfort, listen attentively, ask for clarification, take action, acknowledge agreement, respectfully disagree - all to strengthen professional relationships and grow.

      Embracing discomfort and listening with the intent to understand are essential when receiving critical feedback. It's natural to feel defensive, but it's important to manage this reaction. To effectively receive feedback, start by closing your mouth and counting to six, as silence often prompts the other person to share their thoughts. Listen attentively and ask follow-up questions to ensure full understanding. Once you're certain you understand, reward the candor by taking action to address the feedback and making it known. This encourages others to continue providing feedback in the future. Additionally, when facing feedback you disagree with, acknowledge the parts you can agree with and respectfully explain your differing perspective. Disagreement can actually strengthen professional relationships when approached respectfully.

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    • Prioritizing Feedback and Relationship MaintenanceMaking time for regular feedback and relationship building is essential for preventing bigger issues and improving communication. Seek feedback, give praise and criticism, and adjust your approach to build stronger relationships.

      Finding time for feedback and relationship maintenance is crucial, even in the busiest of schedules. Kim Scott emphasizes the importance of making time for these conversations, whether it means scheduling slack time in your calendar or being willing to be late to your next meeting. She compares it to relationship hygiene, something that should be done regularly to prevent bigger issues down the line. Additionally, she highlights the significance of soliciting feedback as an employee and the order of operations involved: start by seeking feedback, give praise and criticism, and gauge how it lands to adjust your approach accordingly. Ultimately, investing time and effort into feedback and relationship building will pay off in the long run.

    • The Importance of Emotional Awareness in Effective CommunicationPaying attention to and addressing the emotions of others is crucial for effective communication. Adjusting your approach based on their emotional state can lead to better understanding and successful outcomes.

      Effective communication requires paying attention to both the emotional and intellectual aspects of the conversation. Ignoring or dismissing the emotional signals coming from the other person will hinder effective communication. It's important to gauge the emotions in the moment and adjust the approach accordingly. When someone is sad, resist the urge to withdraw or downplay the impact of your words. Instead, show empathy and address the issue sensitively. Similarly, when someone is angry, don't respond with aggression or passivity. Get curious about why they're mad and engage in a constructive dialogue. For leaders who struggle with low self-awareness and obnoxious aggression, it's crucial to help them understand the impact of their behavior and present an alternative approach that aligns with their desire for success.

    • The Importance of Self-Awareness in Personal Growth and RelationshipsAcknowledging our mistakes and learning from them is essential for personal growth and building healthy relationships. Balancing direct challenges with genuine care fosters real human connections.

      Self-awareness is key to personal growth and improving our relationships with others. Kim Scott emphasizes that we all make mistakes and behave like jerks at times, but the important thing is to acknowledge it and learn from it. This self-awareness can feel burdensome, but it actually brings a sense of relief and empowerment. It allows us to identify what's wrong and take steps to make things right. On the other hand, extreme obnoxious aggressiveness, as seen in the example of Bridgewater, is not effective or healthy. It creates a toxic work environment and hinders genuine care and empathy. Building real human relationships, like Steve Jobs did, requires a balance of direct challenges and genuine care for one another.

    • The Power of Radical Candor and Caring LeadershipBeing a successful leader means creating a culture of radical candor, where honesty and feedback are valued, while also showing genuine concern for the well-being of the team. This balance can foster positive relationships and drive meaningful change.

      Being a successful leader does not require being a jerk or sacrificing kindness. Kim Scott's experience with her colleague who continually made mistakes shows that a culture of radical candor, where honesty and feedback are valued, can actually enhance productivity and growth. It's important to create an environment where people feel safe to voice their thoughts and opinions without fear of being ridiculed. Additionally, being a caring leader can lead to even greater success by showing genuine concern for the well-being of the team. It is possible to strike a balance between being direct and compassionate, choosing to do what is right for others rather than solely focusing on personal comfort. By overcoming inhibitions and embracing compassionate candor, leaders can foster positive relationships and drive meaningful change.

    • Building a Foundation of Respect for Effective FeedbackImplementing Radical Candor requires not only honesty but also genuine care and respect for others. Acknowledging and addressing biases is crucial in creating an inclusive and fair work environment.

      Radical Candor, while an effective approach to feedback, requires a foundation of Radical Respect. It's not just about being candid and direct; it's about genuinely caring for and respecting the other person. Kim Scott's experience with a CEO struggling to implement Radical Candor due to unfair biases highlights the importance of acknowledging and addressing these biases within ourselves and our workplaces. It also serves as a reminder that we must be aware of our own actions and the potential harm they may cause to others. By cultivating a culture of respect and challenging our own biases, we can create a more inclusive and equitable work environment where Radical Candor can thrive.

    • Bullying in Leadership and Creating a Respectful Work EnvironmentLeadership can lead to bullying behavior, but it's essential for leaders to recognize and address it. Creating a respectful work environment requires everyone's involvement, and success can be achieved without compromising kindness.

      Leaders are not immune to bullying, even if they don't see themselves as bullies. Kim Scott highlights how becoming a leader can make someone more prone to bullying behavior, and it's important to recognize and address this. Another key point is that leaders often fail to create BS-free zones despite their intentions. They may allow various forms of BS to go unchecked. These realizations prompted Scott to write her book, "Radical Respect," which offers guidance for leaders, victims of bias or bullying, upstanders, and colleagues. It emphasizes that everyone has a role in fostering a respectful work environment, and there is no one group solely responsible for solving this issue. Additionally, Scott encourages individuals to practice soliciting feedback by writing down their go-to question and finding someone to ask it to. Ultimately, success doesn't have to come at the expense of being kind; one can be successful and kind simultaneously.

    • The Power of Asking about Career Stories in InterviewsBy asking candidates about their career story, interviewers can gain valuable insights into their approach to setbacks, ability to identify mistakes, and true accomplishments, leading to unexpected discoveries and a more enjoyable conversation.

      When interviewing candidates, asking them to tell the story of their career can provide valuable insights. Kim Scott, the speaker in the conversation, emphasizes that this seemingly simple question can reveal a lot about a person's approach to setbacks, their ability to identify mistakes, and their true accomplishments. By double-clicking on certain aspects of their story, interviewers can understand the depth of a person's skills and knowledge. Additionally, Kim Scott mentions that interviewing in this manner can lead to unexpected discoveries and a more enjoyable conversation. So, when conducting interviews, consider asking candidates to share their career story to gain meaningful insights and assess their suitability for the role.

    • The Importance of Genuine Care in Effective ManagementEffective management involves genuinely caring for your team members and prioritizing their well-being, fostering a supportive environment where they feel valued and invested in.

      Effective management involves truly caring about the well-being of your team members. Kim Scott's experience in Russia highlighted the importance of showing genuine concern for employees. Despite offering higher pay, the diamond cutters she wanted to hire were hesitant until they knew she would prioritize their safety and security. This realization made her understand that management plays a vital role in people's lives. It's not just about the technical aspects of the job, but also about fostering a supportive environment where employees feel valued and cared for. This lesson emphasizes that being a good manager means going beyond the surface level and investing in the personal and professional growth of the people you lead.

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    Airbnb’s Vlad Loktev on embracing chaos, inquiry over advocacy, poking the bear, and “impact, impact, impact” (Partner at Index Ventures, Airbnb GM/VP Product)

    Airbnb’s Vlad Loktev on embracing chaos, inquiry over advocacy, poking the bear, and “impact, impact, impact” (Partner at Index Ventures, Airbnb GM/VP Product)

    Vlad Loktev spent 10 years at Airbnb, where he started as an IC PM and quickly advanced to lead the core Airbnb marketplace business and then GM the entire homes business, managing over 1,000 people and reporting directly to CEO Brian Chesky. He recently left Airbnb and joined Index Ventures as their newest partner. Vlad was my manager at Airbnb for many years, and is the person I credit most for teaching me how to be a great product manager. Prior to Airbnb, Vlad spent a year at Zynga, where he helped grow Words with Friends to over 14 million daily active users. In our conversation, Vlad shares:

    • Insight into Brian Chesky’s leadership style

    • Why success as a PM is all about impact, impact, impact

    • Why chaos can be good

    • Why as a leader it’s OK to let some fires burn

    • Why you should learn to “poke the bear”

    • Balancing product release speed with quality

    • Lessons on prioritization, decision-making, and organizational design

    • Advice for founders on building company culture

    • Much more

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    Where to find Vlad Loktev:

    • X: https://x.com/vladimirloktev

    • LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/vladimirloktev/

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    In this episode, we cover:

    (00:00) Vlad’s background

    (02:54) Reflecting on transformative years at Airbnb

    (04:28) Skills and mindsets for success

    (11:03) Impact-driven mindset

    (13:16) Saying no and inquiry before advocacy 

    (17:54) “Poking the bear”

    (22:46) Psychological tools for leadership

    (30:08) Building and scaling teams

    (36:12) Letting fires burn

    (47:34) Embracing chaos

    (54:40) The unsell email strategy

    (01:02:01) Finding your place in an organization

    (01:05:38) The importance of company culture

    (01:13:16) Airbnb’s unique approach to product management

    (01:26:41) Failure corner

    (01:31:32) Lightning round and final thoughts

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    How to consistently go viral: Nikita Bier’s playbook for winning at consumer apps (co-founder of TBH, Gas, advisor, investor)

    How to consistently go viral: Nikita Bier’s playbook for winning at consumer apps (co-founder of TBH, Gas, advisor, investor)

    Nikita Bier is one of the most in-demand consumer, social, and growth experts in the world. He’s the co-founder of TBH (sold to Meta for more than $30 million) and Gas (sold to Discord for millions more) and has helped more consumer apps that have hit #1 in the app stores than any other person I’ve come across. He currently spends his time advising founders on growth, product, and design and is an investor and advisor to some of the best consumer tech companies, including Flo, Locket, Eight Sleep, Citizen, BeReal, Captions, and more. In our conversation, we discuss:

    • The inside story of how TBH and Gas achieved explosive growth

    • Strategies for building viral consumer apps

    • Why teens are such a great audience

    • Fighting the human trafficking hoax at Gas

    • The challenge of creating durable social products

    • His experience working as a PM at Facebook

    • Advice for founders on building consumer apps

    • Much more

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    Find the transcript and show notes at: https://www.lennysnewsletter.com/p/how-to-consistently-go-viral-nikita-bier

    Where to find Nikita Bier:

    • X: https://x.com/nikitabier 

    • Threads: https://www.threads.net/@nikitabier

    • Website: https://intro.co/NikitaBier

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    • Newsletter: https://www.lennysnewsletter.com

    • X: https://twitter.com/lennysan

    • LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/lennyrachitsky/

    In this episode, we cover:

    (00:00) Nikita’s background 

    (06:08) Nikita’s early ventures: Politify and Outline

    (08:42) Transition to consumer apps

    (13:45) The birth of TBH

    (16:43) Building for teens vs. adults

    (20:00) TBH’s viral success

    (32:18) Leveraging live chat

    (34:08) Lasting lessons from TBH

    (37:00) Selling TBH to Facebook

    (42:19) Big-tech product management

    (48:46) Nikita on why “product management is not real”

    (51:49) The Tim Cook painting story

    (53:53) Leaving Facebook and starting a new venture

    (58:02) Rebuilding TBH and overcoming challenges

    (59:46) Addressing criticism

    (01:04:24) The human trafficking hoax

    (01:09:51) Selling to Discord and lessons learned

    (01:11:36) Lasting lessons from Gas

    (01:13:14) Building durable consumer apps

    (01:22:35) The VC route

    (01:23:27) Contact permissions in iOS 18

    (01:26:53) The success of Dupe

    (01:31:53) Advice for startup founders

    (01:34:14) Work with Nikita

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    Succeeding as an introvert, building zero-to-one, and why you should PM your career like you PM your product | Deb Liu (CEO of Ancestry, ex-Facebook, PayPal, eBay)

    Succeeding as an introvert, building zero-to-one, and why you should PM your career like you PM your product | Deb Liu (CEO of Ancestry, ex-Facebook, PayPal, eBay)

    Deb Liu is the CEO of Ancestry and former longtime VP of Product at Facebook. At Facebook, Deb led the creation of Facebook Marketplace, developed the first mobile ad product for apps, built the company’s games business, and launched Facebook Pay. She’s also held leadership roles at PayPal and eBay, serves on the board of Intuit, and is the author of Take Back Your Power. In our conversation, we discuss:

    • Why you should PM your career like you PM your product

    • Strategies for incubating new products within large companies

    • Creating a successful 30-60-90-day plan when starting a new job

    • The pitfalls of perfectionism

    • The challenges introverts face in the workplace and how to overcome them

    • The value of resilience and turning failures into stepping stones

    • How to leverage coaching in your career development

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    Find the transcript and show notes at: https://www.lennysnewsletter.com/p/succeeding-as-an-introvert-deb-liu

    Where to find Deb Liu:

    • Threads: https://www.threads.net/@debliu

    • LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/deborahliu

    • Substack: https://debliu.substack.com/

    Where to find Lenny:

    • Newsletter: https://www.lennysnewsletter.com

    • X: https://twitter.com/lennysan

    • LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/lennyrachitsky/

    In this episode, we cover:

    (00:00) Introduction to Deb Liu

    (02:18) Deb’s career journey and key advice

    (09:45) Navigating new roles and challenges

    (11:27) Overcoming adversity and failure

    (15:07) Building billion-dollar businesses at Facebook

    (19:33) Strategies for zero-to-one innovation

    (23:40) PM your career like a product

    (33:53) Challenges and strategies for introverts in business

    (39:19) Reframing self-promotion

    (42:25) The power of accountability

    (46:15) Growth: a game of inches

    (50:52) The 30-60-90-day plan

    (56:52) Contrarian corner: career and marriage

    (58:57) Final nuggets of wisdom

    (01:03:09) How to find a coach

    (01:04:47) Lightning round

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    Unorthodox PM wisdom: Automating user insights, unselling job candidates, logging every decision, more | Kevin Yien (Stripe, Square, Mutiny)

    Unorthodox PM wisdom: Automating user insights, unselling job candidates, logging every decision, more | Kevin Yien (Stripe, Square, Mutiny)

    Kevin Yien leads product for merchant experiences at Stripe. Before that, he meandered his way from being a technical designer to a product manager, built the restaurants business and ecosystem team at Square, and most recently was head of product and design at Mutiny. He also makes ice cream and teaches for fun. In our conversation, we discuss:

    • Why aspiring PMs should start in engineering, design, or sales

    • The importance of writing skills, and how to become a better writer

    • How to automate user research

    • Kevin’s “unsell email” technique for hiring

    • The value of keeping a decision log

    • Insights on AI and its impact on future generations

    • Lessons from failure

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    Find the transcript and show notes at: https://www.lennysnewsletter.com/p/unorthodox-pm-wisdom-kevin-yien

    Where to find Kevin Yien:

    • X: https://x.com/kevinyien

    • LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/kevinyien/

    • Website: https://kevinyien.com/

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    • X: https://twitter.com/lennysan

    • LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/lennyrachitsky/

    In this episode, we cover:

    (00:00) Kevin’s background 

    (02:00) The story behind Kevin’s profile picture

    (08:41) The role of a product manager

    (10:48) Getting started in product management

    (12:47) The importance of writing skills

    (15:06) Becoming a better writer

    (19:10) The PM’s role with engineering and design

    (28:41) Drawing the perimeter for your team

    (31:37) Feedback tips

    (35:13) Decision logs and product sense

    (45:36) Unorthodox hiring strategies

    (47:01) The unsell email strategy

    (54:01) Automating user research

    (01:02:27) AI in everyday life

    (01:06:05) Lessons from failure

    (01:14:34) Lightning round

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    Improve strategy, influence, and decision-making by understanding your brain | Evan LaPointe (founder of CORE Sciences)

    Improve strategy, influence, and decision-making by understanding your brain | Evan LaPointe (founder of CORE Sciences)

    Evan LaPointe is the founder of CORE Sciences, which teaches companies and individuals how our brains work and how that translates to improved collaboration, better products, faster decision-making, and more growth. Previously, Evan was the co-founder of Satellite, the fourth-largest analytics company on the internet today (it mostly runs behind the scenes, and pretty much everyone listening will have used it today without knowing it), which was acquired by Adobe, where he later ran product strategy, innovation, and long-range thinking for Adobe’s digital experiences business. In our conversation, we discuss:

    • The three different systems of the brain

    • How knowing this can help you become more influential

    • How understanding different brain states will help you increase productivity and creativity

    • How to improve your vision and strategy skills

    • How to design a work environment that fosters innovation

    • How to build better relationships at work

    • Much more

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    Find the transcript and references at: https://www.lennysnewsletter.com/p/understanding-your-brain-evan-lapointe

    Where to find Evan LaPointe:

    • X: https://x.com/evanlapointe

    • LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/evanlapointe/

    • Website: https://www.core-sciences.com/

    Where to find Lenny:

    • Newsletter: https://www.lennysnewsletter.com

    • X: https://twitter.com/lennysan

    • LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/lennyrachitsky/

    In this episode, we cover:

    (00:00) Evan’s background

    (02:37) Understanding the brain’s complex systems

    (07:17) The three core brain systems: safety, reward, and purpose

    (11:03) Applying brain science to team dynamics

    (14:27) The role of personality in team performance

    (17:27) Creating effective work environments

    (23:16) The science of meetings and decision-making

    (29:35) Enhancing strategy and vision

    (54:46) Understanding personality traits in strategy and vision

    (58:58) Tactical tips for increasing openness

    (01:05:46) Building influence and effective relationships

    (01:21:17) The importance of trust and appeal in relationships

    (01:36:47) Creating a positive organizational habitat

    (01:50:35) Enhancing focus and productivity

    (02:00:58) Practical tips for deep work and gamma time

    (02:07:11) Lightning round

    Referenced:

    • The Most Complicated Object in the Universe: https://today.uconn.edu/2018/03/complicated-object-universe/#

    • The Myers-Briggs personality test: https://www.themyersbriggs.com/en-US/Products-and-Services/Myers-Briggs

    • The Big Five personality test: https://www.thepersonalitylab.org/

    • The Enneagram personality test: https://enneagramtest.com/

    • An inside look at how Figma builds product | Yuhki Yamashita (CPO of Figma): https://www.lennysnewsletter.com/p/an-inside-look-at-how-figma-builds

    • Vision, conviction, and hype: How to build 0 to 1 inside a company | Mihika Kapoor (Product at Figma): https://www.lennysnewsletter.com/p/vision-conviction-hype-mihika-kapoor

    • Dylan Field live at Config: Intuition, simplicity, and the future of design: https://www.lennysnewsletter.com/p/dylan-field-live-at-config

    • An inside look at Figma’s unique GTM motion | Claire Butler (first GTM hire): https://www.lennysnewsletter.com/p/an-inside-look-at-figmas-unique-bottom

    • Inside Canva: Coaches not managers, giving away your Legos, and running profitably | Cameron Adams (co-founder and CPO): https://www.lennysnewsletter.com/p/inside-canva-with-cameron-adams

    • The Science-Business Mismatch That Puts Your Change at Risk: https://changemanagementreview.com/the-science-business-mismatch-that-puts-your-change-at-risk/

    • Daniel Pink on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/danielpink/

    • Trello: https://trello.com/

    • Cron: https://cronhq.notion.site/

    • The Double Diamond framework for design thinking: https://www.fluxspace.io/resources/the-4-ds-double-diamond-design-thinking-model

    • CORE Sciences - Tips on Priming Great Meetings PDF: https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fi/gm21cj0vi0bjosyu8kd69/CORE-Sciences-Tips-on-Priming-Great-Meetings.pdf?rlkey=6fznhv7bbsxm8nj8m4luej17t&st=2eduirad&dl=0

    • How to grow a subscription business | Yuriy Timen (Grammarly, Canva, Airtable): https://www.lennysnewsletter.com/p/transform-your-subscription-growth

    • Brené Brown’s website: https://brenebrown.com/

    • The CORE personality test: https://www.core-sciences.com/new-core-identity

    • Burning Man: https://burningman.org/

    • Stripe: https://stripe.com/

    • Jony Ive: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jony_Ive

    • Albert Einstein quote: https://www.goodreads.com/quotes/7133605-make-things-as-simple-as-possible-but-no-simpler

    • Elden Ring: https://en.bandainamcoent.eu/elden-ring/elden-ring

    • Abilene paradox: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abilene_paradox

    The Challenger Sale: Taking Control of the Customer Conversation: https://www.amazon.com/Challenger-Sale-Control-Customer-Conversation/dp/1591844355

    • The surprising truth about what closes deals: Insights from 2.5m sales conversations | Matt Dixon (author of The Challenger Sale and The JOLT Effect): https://www.lennysnewsletter.com/p/close-more-deals-matt-dixon

    • Siqi Chan on X: https://x.com/blader

    • Runway: https://runway.com/

    • Shreyas Doshi on pre-mortems, the LNO framework, the three levels of product work, why most execution problems are strategy problems, and ROI vs. opportunity cost thinking: https://www.lennysnewsletter.com/p/episode-3-shreyas-doshi

    • Wolfgang Puck’s website: https://wolfgangpuck.com/

    • Steven Spielberg on X: https://x.com/sspielberg93

    • John Williams’s website: https://www.johnwilliams.org/

    • The paths to power: How to grow your influence and advance your career | Jeffrey Pfeffer (author of 7 Rules of Power, professor at Stanford GSB): https://www.lennysnewsletter.com/p/the-paths-to-power-jeffrey-pfeffer

    • Warby Parker: https://www.warbyparker.com/

    • Simon Sinek’s website: https://simonsinek.com/

    • What is the function of the various brainwaves?: https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/what-is-the-function-of-t-1997-12-22/

    • CORE Sciences - Your Brain's 9 Modes PDF: https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fi/figg8upeaawir1hnxv0ew/CORE-Sciences-Your-Brain-s-9-Modes.pdf?rlkey=u3zaonxvycvupurq6pwysckfq&st=os06xjnr&dl=0

    Never Split the Difference: Negotiating As If Your Life Depended On It: Unlock Your Persuasion Potential in Professional and Personal Life: https://www.amazon.com/Never-Split-Difference-Negotiating-Depended/dp/0062407805

    The Person and the Situation: Perspectives of Social Psychology: https://www.amazon.com/Person-Situation-Perspectives-Social-Psychology/dp/1905177445

    Cambridge Fundamentals of Neuroscience in Psychology: https://www.amazon.com/Cambridge-Fundamentals-Neuroscience-Psychology/dp/B08QYNDNYX

    • Robert Greene’s books on Amazon: https://www.amazon.com/stores/Robert-Greene/author/B001IGV3IS

    Misbehaving: The Making of Behavioral Economics: https://www.amazon.com/Misbehaving-Behavioral-Economics-Richard-Thaler/dp/039335279X

    • Beehiiv: https://www.beehiiv.com/

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    How embracing your emotions will accelerate your career | Joe Hudson (executive coach, Art of Accomplishment)

    How embracing your emotions will accelerate your career | Joe Hudson (executive coach, Art of Accomplishment)

    Joe Hudson is one of the most sought-after executive coaches in Silicon Valley. He is the founder of Art of Accomplishment, a transformational coaching program that has helped tens of thousands of people, including many tech executives and founders from companies like Apple, OpenAI, and Google. His unique method of transformation comes from over 25 years of exploring neurological, psychological, and spiritual traditions, tested against real-world challenges. In our conversation, Joe shares:

    • Why the critical voice in your head is always wrong, and how to change your relationship with that voice

    • Why authenticity trumps self-improvement

    • The importance of embracing all of your emotions

    • How to create more enjoyable and effective meetings

    • The power of gratitude in transforming your life

    • Practical experiments for personal growth

    • Much more

    Apply for Joe’s Connection Course:

    Thousands of students have taken Joe’s most popular experience, the Connection Course. Unlike most online courses, there is no reading, lectures, or written homework. It is a three-week experiential deep dive where you will apply your learnings to real-life problems—how to make your team more productive, communicate more effectively, and resolve conflicts with ease. Apply here and use the code LENNY for $300 off your enrollment: view.life/lenny.

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    Find the transcript and references at: https://www.lennysnewsletter.com/p/embracing-your-emotions-joe-hudson

    Where to find Joe Hudson:

    • X: https://x.com/FU_joehudson

    • LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/joe-hudson/

    • Website: https://www.artofaccomplishment.com/

    • Podcast: https://www.artofaccomplishment.com/podcast

    • Linktree: https://linktr.ee/theartofaccomplishment

    Where to find Lenny:

    • Newsletter: https://www.lennysnewsletter.com

    • X: https://twitter.com/lennysan

    • LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/lennyrachitsky/

    In this episode, we cover:

    (00:00) Joe’s background

    (02:31) The critical voice in your head

    (06:39) Changing your relationship with the critical voice

    (13:19) Understanding and embracing emotions

    (19:52) The importance of emotional fluidity

    (24:40) Questioning assumptions and self-perception

    (30:25) The consequences of avoiding emotions

    (36:57) Experimenting with self-improvement

    (39:42) Understanding efficiency and enjoyment

    (43:17) The power of enjoyment in daily tasks

    (45:03) Innate enjoyment vs. learned enjoyment

    (46:31) Authenticity vs. self-improvement

    (50:01) Embracing emotional experiences

    (55:49) How understanding your emotions helps you make better decisions

    (01:02:53) Creating effective teams and meetings

    (01:10:40) Gratitude practice for personal growth

    (01:15:36) Conclusion and final thoughts

    Referenced:

    Descartes’ Error: Emotion, Reason, and the Human Brain: https://www.amazon.com/Descartes-Error-Emotion-Reason-Human/dp/014303622X/

    • Joe’s quote about joy: https://x.com/FU_joehudson/status/1756837774743790030

    • “Emotional Inquiry”: https://www.artofaccomplishment.com/podcast/emotional-inquiry

    Inside Out 2: https://movies.disney.com/inside-out-2

    • “Question the Assumption”: https://www.artofaccomplishment.com/podcast/question-the-assumption

    • Bodega Bay: https://www.bodegabay.com/

    • Elon Musk reveals the interview question he asks every candidate to instantly spot a liar: https://www.good.is/elon-musk-reveals-the-one-job-interview-question-he-asks-every-candidate-to-instantly-spot-a-liar

    • Great Decisions course: https://www.artofaccomplishment.com/course/great-decisions-course

    • HBR Analytic Services: https://hbr.org/hbr-analytic-services

    • Connection Course: https://www.artofaccomplishment.com/course/the-connection-course

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    The Champions Life Podcast takes an in depth look to help you improve your mindset to become a CHAMPION! This podcast pulls back the curtain on helping you self-discover what is truly possible and how you can achieve your ‘next level’ in sports, business, and life. We will focus on the mental skills that allow people, teams, and businesses to be great - things like: confidence, leadership, motivation, culture, focus, discipline, trust, accountability and more. 

    The Champions Life Podcast is hosted by Jeff Becker, a mental performance coach, who’s clientele consists of CHAMPIONS from all aspects of life, from around the world: elementary school golfer, to high school athletes, college athletic teams and students, business leaders and executives, to NBA and PGA professionals.

    Host Jeff Becker will share stories, tips, and strategies that he’s used with his clientele all over the world. These mindset skills will be inspired from the worlds best in the: NBA, NFL, PGA, MLB and from coaches such as: Trevor Moawad, Brett Ledbetter, David Goggins, Brian Cain, Brendon Burchard, Jocko Willink, Brian Kight, and more!

    If you're ready to take your life to the next level, are searching for more purpose or you just need extra inspiration or motivation, tune in to The Champions Life Podcast.

    Follow Jeff on Instagram @coachjeffbecker https://www.instagram.com/coachjeffbecker/3 Steps To Create A Life That MATTERS!

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