Hello and welcome back to part three of the stomp cast. We have taken a seat when I'm sorry. Yes, there's no there's no shame in having a seat guys. We don't have to be married through all the time. Not toxic stompers. We like to be married. We've been standing the whole day. We haven't been standing. We're trying to hide away from this rave that seems to be going on.
that we can bring you guys to some tranquil sounds. Wherever you are today, I hope you're enjoying your stomp. Let's start on this conversation. This part's going to talk a lot about building from a psychological perspective and your experience, building that mental fitness and resilience. We're going to see where this all goes, but I would like to start from a certain point, which is about meditation. I've dipped in and out of meditation for a long period of time.
but I've never been hugely consistent with it. Now, I started with Bay Grills, Paul McKenna, a few of the guys who started metal, which metal means resilience and ETTLE. It's a mental fitness app, and it's all about particularly getting men into mindfulness meditation, learning about emotional intelligence, learning about these practices. And really interestingly,
that really got me kind of much more into this space myself and I realized actually not that consistent myself so I've been clearly using that to be to be consistent but I have found meditation to be something that is really really helpful and really difficult to start with and some of the common things I noticed were you often get this kind of success feeling of like
Am I doing it well enough? And the second problem is, I think for a long time, I really found it hard to understand that actually having thoughts during meditation is just part of it, it's part of the training of the brain. So I guess, I just wonder if you could talk a bit about, let's start, I don't mind for as much more thought, meditation side, but what do we know about meditation? Should everyone be meditating? Or was it just for certain people? What are your thoughts?
So what I want to start with that is psychology steals stuff constantly from other places. So meditation, where we have a know clinically in psychology, is we stole it from Buddhism.
So if you go over to people who practice Buddhism in Asia, they've been doing this for a very, very long time and they know the benefits of it. So in the Buddhist tradition of obviously meditation is a massive thing to help you to connect with higher purpose but also a spiritual aspect to it as well.
But what you have in those kind of Buddhist traditions is it's a way of kind of coming into the present moment. So that's your only reality and so therefore then that's the idea of when it comes to suffering and we tend to bring suffering on ourselves because we're too much in our heads.
In the Buddhist tradition, it's about kind of like, well, you focus and the focus helps you to get perspective and clarity on life. And of course, Buddha reached Nirvana because he was so good at this. Their idea of heaven, I suppose. Not Nirvana the band. Not Nirvana the band. Who stole that name from him. Exactly.
So there is that idea of kind of just bringing everything, kind of slowing everything down. And where we've gone to a clinically in psychology, Alex, and they've done a lot of research on this is okay, well, if somebody meditates, if they sit in a space where they are with no distraction, and they are in a place where it's quiet,
And there's a bit of sensory deprivation going on. Then can they bring their focus into their mind to focus on, right, what am I thinking? How am I feeling? What's happening psychologically? So you're kind of really the idea of tuning in. You're really tuning in because
A lot of times when when a new recognises and probably why you struggled with it is well I think it's because you've got ADHD so an ADHD brain is super fast it's a brain that works really quickly with dodgy breaks prone to overthinking an overactive limbic system which means that you are a feeler and feel all kinds of things so my experience with some of my patients with ADHD is
They're not very good at it either, not that they're not good at it, but it's not the right intervention for them. Because it's just to, the radio HD brain just isn't able to connect with being able to slow, it's not just slowing down, it's not that they can't, but it can be far more of a struggle, something a bit more active.
is probably better to have them, but some can do a lot of them. I can't do that. It's taken me a lot of practice. It's taken me a lot of practice. Ironically, you could argue that the odd thing is it's very hard to do, but it's actually something you'd really benefit from me. Oh, massively. It's like that all too hard to do, but really good for you. It's like damn it, man, I need this. Yeah, it's all right. It's kind of good for your thread. Perhaps let's just follow that for
So what could someone say there's lots of people with ADHD? What could they aversion be then? You know, often people sit with their palms facing upwards and cross the thumbs over, there's lots of reason people do that. Close your eyes, sometimes there's music, guided meditation, you sit there for 10, 15, 20, 30 minutes.
and you kind of like centering into your kind of, you know, in a chaff croix, you know, kind of centre in a piece. Okay, that's one version of it. We'll come back to that in a moment. So what could someone with ADHD or someone who just actually got a very struggled quite a bit? Yeah, so...
The two words are kind of interlinked and they do kind of cross over a meditation of mindfulness. So the mindfulness is a form of meditation. So therefore like you can do all kinds of mindful things. So I went for a run this morning and when I'm running that's mindfulness to me.
because I'm clearing my mind, I'm focused, I'm freezing, I couldn't feel my fingers, but I'm feeling calm. Like it's calming me, I can feel it calming me, but it's not, it's not passive, I'm not sitting there looking at the river. I'm, my body's moving, it's a bit achy, but my mind is being calmed by the experience. And is that to some extent because actually the kind of definition of meditation is being, is being?
Right? With the capital of the, it's being within yourself. You are in the body and in the brain and therefore you're in the present because there's an interesting, I was reading it the other day, it's like this idea of like, your body can only ever be in and out because you're one who can't exist in the future in the past. So that's why you're focusing your breath, because your breathing is by definition buried and rooted in the now. It can't possibly be anywhere but the future apart. When you're running,
you're actually tuning into your body. And the other one, I'm common when I hear people say they get into like a trance. My friend who did the Ironman says this himself is that when he's swimming and the pool doing laps, the metronomic almost like repetitive, you can actually send to yourself into that and all of a sudden you almost become
And all of a sudden, you've lost 30, 40 laps, so where's those time going? Well, you might actually be passing away, struggling. But if you're in a rhythm, and it's all about its running as well, you enter this kind of rhythm. And you become, in that sense, you feel we're part of it might be endorphins, but you do feel the effects of meditation, as if you were meditation. Yeah, yeah. You must find that too. I have music in my ears, but if I'm in a state of flow decal, we call it, say if I'm thinking about something,
I won't know what songs, there could be four songs, I've just gone through my Spotify list and I'm further along on my run but I won't have experienced that. It's almost like I kind of jumped time. Yes, so a little tip for anyone that has lots of thoughts I find anyway when I'm running is like try not to listen sometimes to music that has lots of words or really high pace music sometimes.
put like, if you search on like Spotify, meditation sounds. So it's not the guide in meditation, but meditation sounds. They tend to be very relaxing, slow, peaceful music. If you run to that sound, you find you enter the flow straight, stay much easier. That's just a little tip. Yeah, I'm going to listen to high-paced music.
with words and that distracts your brain and also words can as reading research before actually that when you listen certain kind of music they can actually dictate your moods if you're listening to a lot of those sounds it definitely definitely takes you to places it's obvious really it's an obvious thing but we often don't think about that we're choosing a sound so that's a little trick I find they just end if you want to end to the flow stage that's a little trick that I find
I'm going to try that. Give it a go. I totally will. So what are the best, whether you're doing mindfulness, or whether you're kind of an always active meditator, or passive meditator, or whether you're sitting there, or whether you're running, or whatever it is, what are the benefits? So what have you seen in patients that you've, in yourself, but in patients you've seen who meditate long periods of time, eight weeks, 10 weeks or more, do you see people coming away going, that has made a difference to my life?
Definitely. So what you learn on a fundamental level of mindfulness or meditation, Alex, is the power of your own mind. Because you're active engagement. And again, a lot of the time in life, when I'm actively engaging, we're just letting the mind kind of do its own thing. And then we're not challenging it. We're not sitting with it. We're not reflecting on what's happening up there. We're just kind of going with the flow.
But actually, when you do that kind of practice, that meditation mindfulness practice, you're actively working with the mind in a very dynamic way. So you're observing the thoughts, you're observing the feelings in the body, you're thinking about what's happening up for me. So you're learning how to actually read your own mind.
which is incredible. And I guess to some extent as well, you know, if you're, I wonder with patients that you've seen that are struggling with a lot of negative thoughts out of particular, or like, I'm a bad person, I'm useless, all these kind of things. There's a separation perspective. Do you think there's an element of teaching or brain to kind of spot the nonsense? Definitely. So you, if you do a regular, you know, from that, I think the
If you do it regularly as in regularly every day for between 10 and 12 weeks, apparently that's enough to make proper neurological change in your brain in the pathways when it comes to negative thoughts and also that helps you down to be able to really work differently with your thoughts. So you're not at the mercy of them because when you do mindfulness and meditation, you're actively putting distance between you and your thoughts.
So you're not just accepting your thoughts for what they are or just letting them run amok. You're actively observing them and you're paying attention to the thought. So if it's a negative thought, say holding onto that and of course the classic thing that people do is they ruminate.
got a rumination. I hate rumination. I've lost years of my life to rumination. Yeah, it's terrible. And I think the rumination is it's like that's a snowball. But you're not just picking up all their thoughts, you're picking up all the feelings as well and then it massively plays out and then who you live your life. So rumination is it's
You see it massively when patients are anxious but also who have depression, that mindfulness can teach you how to stop ruminating because you're not feeding the thought. You're being selective in terms of what thought do I let drift and what thought do I need to pay attention. But also you're tuning into the body. How is that thought making me feel?
because you've got that dynamic relationship between how you think affects how you feel, how you feel affects how you think. About power. So if you think, I'm a bad person, you feel bad in your stomach, and you go, you know, then you go, oh, well, I must be, because I'm feeling something, I must be, you know, this might be, oh, you're rude to someone at work. We perceive you're rude to someone. That feeds back into it, doesn't it? Tell me. Well, I need to think this more, because I feel really bad. Let's think more. Yeah, and that snowball.
How can you, because I mean, I still work on it a lot, but how can you really, and part of this might be a conversation, how can you deal with these damn rumination things? Because it is a terrible affliction, rumination is a terrible, I mean, Eckhart Tolle talks about an apparent hour, people talk about many different writers from different spaces have said this, it is a disease. It's rumination. Oh God, yeah, definitely. The people lose their lives, rumination.
Yeah, totally, totally, totally. Well, in very extreme circumstances, like rumination, you'll have people that will be locked in their own homes because people take their own lives. Totally, because it literally, it's a form of torture.
psychological torture where your poor brain is at the mercy of these. So if you think about rumination, that's about spiraling thoughts. And what we know about how the brain works is that emotions trigger similar emotions, thoughts trigger similar thoughts. So when we ruminate, we, if the, in ruminate, the thoughts are negative. So what you'll do is your brain will start then to associate other negative thoughts with the negative thoughts you're having right now. So it'll open all those doors in your memory,
of other negative thoughts or other moments that because your brain works by association, we know this. So it will associate that moment where we thought there, it will open all those doors. And you will have a catalog going back possibly years in that one moment that will then, that rumination will grow and grow and grow. And now, instead of just having this, just what's going on right now, you will have all these other memories to back up.
Oh yeah, that thing that's happening in the here and there. So that's why, again, mindfulness can be so powerful because it stops you opening doors doors. They stay closed.
What's the bloody point sometimes? What's the point of going back into the park? Because most of the time for people that are conscientious, that are self-aware, that care about the world around them, you are generally the people that end up ruminating because by definition you're being inward and you're thinking.
So what is the point? Why does the brain do this? Because you are actually torturing yourself. Most of the time, and what's really interesting, I find, is that often the things you've ruminated about, you've come to a conclusion about before. You've probably had moments of clarity on this topic, where you've gone, ah, it does make sense. Maybe I'm not complete failure, maybe this, whatever it is, you go straight and go, ah, okay, it's clarity. But then three weeks later, something triggers you, you see something, or someone says something.
And suddenly it comes up again and you're like, why am I going back here? I've already solved you. I can't erase you, but I've solved a counter conclusion. Why does the brain do that? Because if it's so clever, once it's solved the problem, it should let it go, shouldn't it? Well, this is interesting. The brain has done that. It has actually done that. But what we're saying to the brain is, there's something to see here.
And then when it comes back up, it's something. So instead of everything with that, if we recognize and go, OK, that's an emerging thought, I know what that thought is. Then if we let him move, then the brain shifts from that thought, and it moves on to the next one. But if we hold on to the thought, then what we're telling the brain is that thought is important. So now the brain starts to work with it.
And if we're already in a negative state in that moment, then the brain starts to then look at that thought as a problem. Yeah, there's something significant here. So we hold the thought. And if we don't, like what you just said, if we don't kind of pull into the pair of mine and go, no, but I've dealt with that. And that needs to move. There's nothing to see here, then that thought will move. But if we bring attention to it, the brain has no choice but to focus.
And if that's been a historical problem, then that will start to then emerge in that moment because we're not containing it. Particularly if it's a very loaded thing. Exactly. It's like an example of a loaded one for me.
When my brother died, you know, I hadn't replied to him the last time he messaged because there was all sorts of going on and, you know, I mean, aside from anything, I was working mental health space. He died by suicide. It's a very complex thing. I'm happy to just do, but there's multiple things that this actually is not certainly not just this one thing.
But there's a good example of that. If anything comes up where I think I've failed or have let someone down, why it wasn't. It's like, yep, see, you are, you do let people down because you let your brother down, he died. And I'm sorry if there's quite heavy for people, there's a bit, I'm sure people relate to that. I see. But there is evidence in the now, you failed now. But if you look back in the evidence in the past,
the signs were there. So you did let people down and you do let people down. And those kind of really heavy ones are more difficult to shift on because they're like, ah, see, but I've got you. And the brain's a bugle like that. It brings up those things. So when we think of those heavy things coming up then, is when we look at the meditation, is it like for me, for example, I've been trying to practice going, yeah, OK, I see you. Thank you for. Thank you, brain. I see you were being there and let it drift like the leaf on the stream idea, let it drift on by.
That's part of it, but is there also, you know, we say we should avoid avoidance and all these kind of things, but is there an element that actually we should be, not avoiding these thoughts, but should we be going, are your brains going somewhere? Let's root ourselves in an hour, let's go and run or let's go and knit or let's go and read or whatever it is? Should we be with these kind of thoughts that we have solved? Should we be pushing these on? Should we be trying to take the brain off those?
Yeah, we should, actually, because the thing is, the brain is hardwired to solve problems. Like, that's how civilization has grown. You think, like, there's a problem, okay, like, the planes are going over, and how do we get around the world quicker? Aviation. Like, it's hardwired to solve problems.
but there can be problems of our own creation, in that there isn't an active problem, but because of how we're thinking or if it's bringing us back to other moments in our life, then we engage the brain in a problem-solving exercise that really is unnecessary.
fascinating you're solving a problem you don't have to face but it doesn't exist who said who said the famous quote he who he faced a problem before it's happened suffers you know suffers more than necessary but should that quote but it's a Raylius I think is a Marx Raylius I think he was such a clever guy but the idea of like suffering before one needs to face something it's just a stupid form of suffering I guess that's where worrying comes from an anxious totally
It's all anticipation. It's anticipatory and actually most of the time you face something and even the worst case isn't so bad. I actually hear the really good tip of the day is people say when you think of the worst case scenario, think of what the best, what the good things are about it. So if you were to lose your job or if you were to, if you were to relationship to break up, what would be the positives of your relationship break up?
Which sounds like a crazy thing. No, it's not, though. It's not. What's the crazy? Sorry, what is the benefits if you were to have a breakup that you really don't want? What are the good things? Well, I'd have more free time. I can focus on my hobbies. I could do, well, I don't know if I have anything on the bathroom. It's true, those, if you lose my job, well, I might go and find a job that I prefer.
Yeah, yeah. And that comes back to you and we were saying in the other part which is that if we have learned helplessness then we don't look at what's in our control. We think everything's outside of our control so of course then we feel like we're at the mercy of change and the change is always going to be negative because we won't feel like we have any power over it. Absolutely.
Less as we're moving into the latter part of this part, let's think about the mental fitness aspect of this, of not just mindfulness, but that and beyond, from your experience of the year that you've been working. What are the traits or the activities that you've seen benefit people to be more psychologically protective? And sometimes think about people actually that are listening to the saying, well, actually, I feel kind of good. I don't feel bad.
How do I fortify that? How can I improve that? What are the things that you've seen? Do you know what that seems to work in a lot of people? I think first and foremost...
It's very important to remember that we are psychological creatures, which means we're going to think and feel and act. And our brain is as much as it controls your heartbeat and everything else that goes on in your body, but your brain is a psychological organ. We're hard-wired, we're born with emotions.
And we gather all these different feelings through as we live and experiences store in our memories and they affect them how we live and they inform us around how the world is. So first and foremost is an acceptance that you are psychological, you have mental health.
because you're hardwired to have that. So if you're going to do with yourself, you cannot be one of these people. That says, well, I see emotions as weakness or I repress. No, you've got to have a healthy relationship, but you've got to have it.
Because if you don't have that, then you're actively working against the way the brain is hardwired to work and your brain is like every other part of your body. It works independently of you. You can't control it.
you can influence it and you can help it and you can damage it, but you can't control it. So if you're not prepared to kind of accept that, then already you're on the bag full. That's fascinating, isn't it? That's such a simple but important point that they actually don't fight against what is. Like your brain is there to think and manage that where you can help learn ways to kind of guide it, but you can't stop the brain from creating emotions. Totally. Well, the example I often use in my patients is
Go to bed tonight and try and control that dream you're having. Stop yourself getting eaten by the shark. Stop yourself falling off the building, or being chased under, or try stopping that dream. Or listeners right now do not think of a white polar bear. Exactly. I'm not thinking of a white polar bear. For the rest of the day, I don't want you to think of a white polar bear at any point in the day. Good luck with that. Exactly. I have a stage of my vision where I'm talking to you as an example of what the brainwork in my association is. Name me yellow fruit.
How many patients say banana? Probably 99% zeta. Is that the only yellow fruit? Yeah, like melon or whatever. Great fruits, yeah, exactly. Lemons. But again, the brain just took it to you. And that also brings the life idea that you'll go to the common thought. Totally. Your brain is lazy. And the reason it does that is to conserve energy.
So if you go to go like name three things about yourself, you go to the three things that most easily popped your mind and being yourself up for a long time, you'll say three things. Exactly. Whereas if you ask a person like, what are your strengths and weaknesses? It massively stumbles them because they have to actively think about... We ask somebody, do you love yourself?
Or ask one of the really good questions. Name ten people in your life that you love. And they'll almost always nab a name themselves. That's fascinating. Which in itself doesn't make sense. It does make sense, sorry, in terms of why that happens.
You must love yourself. I mean, by definition, you want to be alive. Exactly. You're not a relationship to yourself. I know it's just an odd thing because we all feel kind of, I think most of us do feel, if we're honest, a little bit of discomfort. But we must need to love ourselves. But every sound on your body is working for you. Yeah.
And that can seem, again, we can go into that self-judgment that I can say, well, that's not modest, or in our humble, or I'm being vain there, but actually now, like, you need to have a healthy relationship with yourself. Well, also, to imply that to love oneself means that you can't value others. What others like. That's not true, is it? When you see people that really do love themselves and have to be look after themselves, a lot of the time they actually look after people really well as well.
Yeah, it's like always the opposite is true and actually there's a lot of people that really give everything to others and they give themselves laughs. It's an interesting concept, isn't it? Well, it's a balance, isn't it? It's that idea of, well, the compassion we show ourselves and the kindness and respect we show ourselves, then we can give that out to other people, but sometimes we can give it to other people and we don't give it to ourselves.
and pinning down the last question and it's an unfair question because of course there isn't a correct answer because it is in multiple things but if you were going to say there's one thing that you've seen helps build people's mental fitness so it's not a possession of illness here now just building up their baseline mental fitness one activity or thing what would it be therapy therapy go therapy tracking out everyone needs therapy from the get-go to therapy yeah
Yeah. I mean, I'm not, I'm someone that's had a lot of them. I'm not surprised if you just say that actually. But in some ways it's also like, wow, how many people actually do go to therapy? I get dragged there. Or no, I have people say, I really like you mountain.
I get lots of phone calls from people, especially from parents, and I want my kid to see you. And I said, well, your kid's going to have to buy in to see me. And if your kid doesn't buy in, he's not, he or she isn't. Oh, a lot, man. Yeah, exactly. Or I'm only here because my doctor sent me.
Obviously not well. We're not sending you to some fake doctor for fake treatment. There's always something going on. But again, it's going back to what we're saying a few minutes ago. It's that admission of the fact that you are an emotional being with emotions that if you don't look after them, they're going to make you sick.
Now, obviously therapy is an intervention, but do you think that we should be teaching more of some of the concepts of psychological health school? Definitely, definitely. So my background was far more to London. As part of my training, I worked in a secondary school as a psychologist, and I ended up
When I qualified, I ended up working in a university in Dublin for a little while as well. And I do feel like if we're teaching sex education in schools, and that's hugely important, of course it is, but we should be teaching psychological concepts in school. Not as a curriculum basis and you'll get tested on this, but almost life skills. Life skills.
and understanding what goes on in your brain, how your brain makes you feel, what happens in your head if things are starting to become a bit more problematic. Because it just normalises that, but also it creates a wider conversation where people are struggling. They can say, well, it's not going well for me. The question that I often ask people when I'm talking about this in certain settings is,
Is there an area of someone's life that wouldn't benefit? No. Not even like, is there what would benefit? Name, can you think of any part of someone's life that wouldn't benefit if they had good psychological and mental health? No. Education. No. Did you say it? Did you say it? Did you say it? Did you say everything? Yeah. And it is not many things that have that level of benefit intervention, is there? Probably one of the ones that could go to the similar level would be exercise.
You know, that's one of the few things that you could put on a similar part where, actually, you know, I believe that movement should be mandatory, like it's in a kind of a policing sense, but we should be creating and protecting space, the movement at schools, not just in like where everyone has to go and play, you know, football. I mean, protecting movement outdoors, in nature, moving through environments. In whatever way that looks like, we've got to protect that. I mean, that side of it, you know, it's so, so important. But yes, the point is, it's got to be a priority, isn't it?
Well, it's got to be. I mean, if you look at like fair play to them, but look what like Jamie Oliver did when he talked about skilled dinners and Joel Wicks did something as well when I came to exercise. Great, great, great, great. Well, no, 10 slides. It's very nice. It's so big and everything benefits. Listen, let's do what can come to the end of the episode, but I need to find my phone to do my health back to the week. I don't know where my phone is. So speaking of health and mental health,
I'm pretty good though, I'm getting these days my screen time's coming down, you know, I'm working on it. I replace scrolling with meditation. Good. You know, I don't know if anyone, I don't know how to talk, so I do meditation in the morning, so I use the metal app because it's actually as well designed for men, obviously we've literally built it for that reason. So I do that in the morning and then the evening. I find that really helpful because it clears the mind before we start the day and then the evening before I go to sleep is getting into the sleep state. But I also use it ad hoc when I'm doing public speaking.
It's often from public speaking, you can get better anxious to come down, calm down, quick five minutes, stick the earpods and air off. Let's do it. Health factor of the week, so as we know, sunshine has many benefits to us and it is gloriously sunny at the moment, absolutely sunny.
One you might not know about is that it can help maintain strong bones. Our bodies produce vitamin D when exposed to sunlight and that vitamin helps your body maintain calcium so preventing brittle thin or misshapen bones but much more in adulthood preventing brittle bones. But the really important thing about this actually
is that we do not get enough vitamin D through sunlight in the UK. And actually, back check this, the NHS recommends adults take daily vitamin D. They say it throughout the winter months. I'd actually argue, really, the evidence suggests that we should be taking all year round, because most people more than ever have very little outdoor time. It's a reality of it, right? Working from home, you know, being behind desks, so please do take vitamin D. Unless there's a reason your doctors told you not to take it, take vitamin D. I actually found that for me,
circling back to the seasonal factor disorder, I actually did find that when I took Vitamin D, last few winters, I think, I don't know, it's very hard, how can I case control that? Well, it's linked to serotonin production. I feel that it has helped me. And you know, even if it's only placebo, that's valid as well. It doesn't, it doesn't, really interesting, sort of the lowest rates, sorry, some of the lowest amounts of Vitamin D in the blood found in humans is in places like Dubai.
where it's so, so hot, the people can't be outdoors. You think, what the hell? It's only a place to know because you can't spend the time. And if you are outside, you're like factor 100 SPF. So although actually important to say, you can still get vitamin D when you're wearing a sunscreen. But anyway, the point being that they have low vitamin D levels, and there is actually, I believe, in what I'm reading, there's a lot of people that struggle with the kind of almost seasonal, what you call a seasonal variation when it's really, really hot out there and not outside, then mood is lower.
So I know that's a slightly different thing, but it's quite interesting. It is quite interesting. And I spoke to someone anecdotally that said that they were a Brit that lived out there and they said that they started taking Vitamin D and it completely solved it for them. So again, I don't know, there's one case, it's not great science. There we go, so yeah.
Well, there's our health factor of the week. Thank you so much for joining us. It's been absolutely fantastic. Alex, I've loved it. Thank you. We'll put a link to you on Instagram there as well. If you want to kind of see more of your content and what you do, work in the head too. So my handle is on Instagram. It's at Dr. Mark Wreckley and also I have my own podcast too, called I Have Issues. So does
40 odd episodes up there. It's all mental health. We're talking with lots of different people, so there's episodes on anorexia, self-harming, there's loads on ADHD, there's some on codependency and all these kinds of different things.
We're very lucky, this is why pill podcasts are so good it was. I was talking about this literally yesterday at ACAST, who do a lot of the kind of sponsorships that allow us to keep making this podcast. And we were saying like, you know, podcasts are so amazing because you, when could you otherwise get an expert like yourself? And I bring on all my mates. And to bring in a whole group of experts.
You know, in the past you'd have to sit and read books and that'd be really hard to understand. Unless you don't know degree in psychology, sometimes the concepts are difficult to get a grasp on. You're distilling information. Simplify it. Yes. Totally, totally simple. Life is too busy to have the community, what needs to hold. That's my podcast for me, is to go and have a listen. As long as you don't get access to these doctors, so like... Because it costs money. It costs money and all that stuff. It costs money. If you don't have that
actual problem you won't get that appointment so like I've got guys on there that talk about gaming addiction and gambling addiction and cocaine and all the rest of us so like unless you've had a massive problem that then you're probably not going to hear that person talk that's really what it could be hugely helpful for you or somebody but also useful to preventing to get into it exactly you could be aware of this now
And are that still based on psychology and research? Absolutely. Yeah. Thank you so much for joining me, guys. And thank you for having me. Listen, we'll see you all very soon in the next episode. Of course, we're going to be doing our part four of the stomp cast. So each week we do our first three parts, then part four is myself joined by producer Charlie this week and we're reflecting on some of the things that you've talked about. We're going to have the catch up and we kind of summarize kind of the key things, but also add a few bits and pieces of the thoughts of our own onto the back of it. So you can access that through Apple Podcasts.
free trial check it out if you don't like it you can unsubscribe very simply and that's no problem at all but I think and I hope you stick around see you all very soon guys take care and goodbye
