Predicting 2025: It’s Written in the Stars with Aliza Kelly

Happy new year. Hey guys, welcome back to another episode of Hot Mess with Alex Earl. I'm very, very excited for this episode. Wait, did I just turn that off? How do I get that back on? I'm a hot mess.

A little change, but we are still going to have audio on Spotify, Apple, wherever you get your podcasts and our video now is going to be solely on YouTube. And we are having celebrity astrologer, Eliza Kelly on the podcast today. I'm very excited for this. I'm so excited.

I don't know if any of you guys saw last year when I did an interview with Cosmopolitan. She interviewed me but she kind of read my birth chart and I didn't even really know what that meant honestly in the beginning and she read my birth chart and I swear to God it was like a psychic reading. She has predicted so many things for me over the past year. I am so excited. I've been saying I want to get my birth chart read for so long and

i'm so happy we're doing this i was kind of skeptical at first because i was like what does this even mean and basically i mean you guys will say she's gonna like walk through everything but it's like it's written in the stars so i'm like i guess this is just it has to be true it has to make sense and so last year for example she predicted she was like you're gonna have a really really big year of

contracts and she even told me specific dates. She was like, in February, you're gonna like know what I'm talking about. And then in June, you're gonna like pen to paper, like sign this really big contract and it's gonna like change your life. And I was like, what? And whenever we did this, I was like, I have no idea what she's talking about. And then that accurately happened. And then the craziest thing, which is this honestly like, I don't know, rung a bell for me. And I was like, we need to have her back on Hot Mess and do this again. Or well, she's never been on Hot Mess, but we need to have her on Hot Mess is

She was like, in the fall, something's going to happen with your boyfriend's career. And like, he's really going to need you there for him. And obviously, Braxton got injured in the fall. And that was just like a really, really big moment for us. When she said that to me, I was like, literally, what could happen? Like, I don't know what she's talking about. And I put two and two together when Braxton got hurt. And I was like, oh my God, she's a psychic. I need to have a bag on.

So crazy. I'm like honestly kind of nervous because I do want to know but like the thing like she kind of predicted Braxton getting injured so it's not like kind of scary. I don't want to know the story so I feel safer. I just want to know. I don't want to know bad things though. I'm like I just want the good thing.

I used to go to psychic readings in high school a lot, and I would use them as like therapy instead of going to a therapist. I was literally like, what's gonna happen? You should probably like break up with him. I was like, oh, okay. But I would always go to this psychic. But this is like, this is written in the stars. And she's gonna explain for anyone who's not really into astrology because I am into astrology, but I'm not like a crazy astrology. Yeah, I'm like into it, but I don't really know.

You know less than I do. I don't really know anything. So I'm excited for her to explain all of this to us. And it's the new year. So I'm like, I feel like we're going to like start off on a good foot. She's going to tell us what's going on. I'm ready for the new year. I feel like this is going to be a good year. I think this is going to be a great year. I'm very excited. I have very high hopes for 2025. Do you have any New Year's resolutions? I want to start like

Honestly, no. Like being healthier? I don't know. Really? I mean, last year I did the 30 Hard, which was all of January. I did like this. It's like twice a day working out. There was no alcohol yet. I have gallon of water a day. And like, it's usually the 75 hard, but I cut it into 30 days because I was like, I just don't think I could do 75 days straight of this. And honestly, I'm not going to do that again this year because

It just, it was almost like overkill. Like I have half a glass of water a day. Like I don't drink water and then I'm like drinking a gallon. And it's like, I don't work out every day. Now I'm working out twice a day. Like my body was so tired and fatigued and like- But isn't that like, there's like a hump you get over once you like keep doing it? No it is. It is.

And I think that's why you're supposed to do 75 days and not 30 because I was still definitely not at the point where I like crossed the hump. But I just I don't want to do that again. It was a little unrealistic for me. So I'm going to do a more realistic like I think we're going to do like a 30 day glow up this year where I'm going to post like my workouts because I never really post my workouts online and then like healthy recipes because I've been really into cooking. And I think like having people follow along in that type of way. And I think it's just a little bit more realistic.

Yeah, because I think sometimes we set goals for ourselves in the new year and then I'm like, these are just unrealistic and these are never gonna happen. So I think this is the year of setting realistic goals for me. I tried to do dry January last year and then I remember it was like bid day or something and you can't do that in college. I was like, no, but bid day. I like don't remember anything because I had like three drinks and I had a drink in so long. That was the problem is I did dry January and which is fine. It's not like I don't need to

I don't need to drink. I don't need to have a drink, but it honestly was like my body just when I went out in February with my friends, we literally just had dinner and I had like a spicy margarita and I almost hit the floor. Like my body was just not used to that at all. So I don't know. It was just like a little bit of overkill. I'm like, if I want a glass of wine with dinner, I can have a glass of wine with dinner this January. I don't need to like be going out and taking shots every night, but like, you know, a little casual drink here and there. I think it's fine. Yeah. Totally. I think it's good.

Yeah, I don't really have any like specific New Year's resolutions. I just kind of want to be better at like taking care of myself and being healthier overall. But I'm excited to hear like what is actually going to happen for us this year. So let's bring Aliza on. I'm very excited for this.

Alisa, welcome to Hot Mess. Thank you. Thank you for having me. I can't believe it's been a year. It's been a year. It's been a year. It's been a year. It's last January. Yes, it's been a whole year, a wild year. It has been. A long year, a short year, all of the types of years. Yes. Also, everything that you said to me last year came true, like to a T. So how did you even get into this astrology?

So I mean, the long and the short of it was that I feel like I had always been very curious about just sort of like mystical, magical things. And then in my early 20s, so kind of at the same point that you guys are at right now, I started to find myself like very unfulfilled and feeling very sort of fragmented. I couldn't quite figure out

who I was, what I wanted to be doing, what I actually wanted to care about, which is really interesting because timing-wise in your early 20s, you go through this really big sort of existential crisis, which I'm sure you guys feel. You're just coming out of it, Alex, but it was, you're kind of in it now, Ashton. And at that moment, where you are right now, I found my astrological birth chart.

And it just really, really spoke to me. And it really clarified a lot of things that I was having confusion around. Namely, like how I could be both so vibrant and also so sensitive. And that just opened the door. And I started looking into it for myself. I started looking into it for other people.

My best friend from college and I actually started an astrology dating app because at that time it was like 2013, everyone had a good idea was like, let's make it an app, right? And at that time, only Tinder existed. Bumble didn't exist yet. Hinged didn't exist. So we were like, an astrology dating app would be amazing.

That's a great idea. Thank you. Yeah, it's 10 years later in a little. I just want to get into and ask you about like compatibility with men and like, what are your thoughts on all of that? Yes, compatibility is very interesting to me. It has always been, you know, because like, what does it mean to actually who do you work with, right? Like, what are the good matches for us?

But anyway, long story short, 2016, that was all in LA. I moved back home to New York where I'm from. You know, we had to close the app and I was having another existential crisis. And I was like, what am I supposed to do now? And astrology was a constant. And I just like, no matter what was going on, I loved this work and I loved this practice.

And from 2016 on, it just became more and more of the centerpiece of my life to the point where it was like, actually, this is my life. This is not just like a curiosity anymore. This is like everything is revolving around this. So understanding astrology is something like anyone can do, right? Yes.

I think so. I mean, I think that part of, you know, back in 2013, when I started to really work with this material, it felt so archaic. It felt so outdated. It was like a lot of like Santa Fe turquoise woo vibes, which is very cute, but it's not my aesthetic, you know? And I wanted to figure out how do we make this something that is

applicable that is really easy to understand and that's always been sort of like the driving force behind my work is that I want everyone to be able to work with it because I really think that it's an incredible tool and it's an incredible tool for compassion and self-actualization and also just like figuring out who you are and being confident in who you are. Like I think if I were to now synthesize and get to the root of what I do it's really about like empowering people to just be themselves and be proud

of who they are. So what we're doing today is you're going to be reading our birth charts, which was what we did last year. So can you explain to everyone what exactly that is and what it means and how that all comes to be? Yes, yes. So your birth chart is a snapshot of the sky at your exact moment of birth.

And based on our symbolic interpretation of all of these planets and points, each one of them gives you a little insight into an aspect and a facet of your personality. And this is what I think is really compelling about it, is that we can externalize one way and then have a completely different internal dialogue.

And I feel like as women, we know that inherently. And then astrology sort of gives us a window into what that actually means and how we work with that.

Interesting. I feel like Asha knows a little less about astrology than I do. But I've been like, do you know your big three? Well, actually, I only know it because my Snapchat told me, I don't know if you've seen the Snapchat. It gives you like your whole birth reading. That's the only reason I have it. But I think it's, I'm an airy sun, a Gemini moon, and a Taurus rising. Yes. But I don't really know much about any of them. But I've been dying to know, like you saying how this like explains like so much of your personality. I'm like, I need this. Yeah, I lost you when we did it. I was like, oh, this makes so much sense. So I'm a,

Sagittarius, Sun. Sagittarius Sun, Virgo Moon, Scorpio rising. Yes, yes. Should we go over like high level like what are big three? Yeah, let's do it. Yeah. Okay, so your big three is probably like the easiest touch point into astrology for a lot of people and it's your sun, moon and your rising.

Let's start with the rising sign because I feel like this one has the most misconception around it. Your rising sign before 1930 was actually like more important than your sunshine, which I think is really interesting because but your rising sign requires your exact specific time of birth.

in order to calculate and because a lot of people in 1930 didn't have the exact time of birth and even still now don't have the exact time of birth, the sunshine became more sort of like pop culturally acceptable because that's based on your day of birth and most people know the day that they were born.

But your rising sign is really interesting because it shows your perception of reality. It shows the recurring themes that come up in your life over and over and over again. So your rising sign is sort of like your window into what life through your eyes looks like. And this is often sort of misconstrued as the mask you wear in public. But the reason that I don't think that that's a really good way of describing it is because that makes it seem like it's a choice.

you know it makes it seem like oh i'm like i'm masking as this but it's not it's your perception of reality and therefore of course it's going to inform how people perceive you right because if you're seeing the world like in the case of escorpio rising as a place where like you don't know fully who to trust then maybe people are going to see you as a little off putting when they first meet you but it's not that you actually are it's just that you're trying to figure out like

Can I trust you? Can I believe you? Are you my people? Everyone always thinks that I'm a bitch when they first meet me or not unless you talk to me, but sometimes I'm just kind of like trying to read the room, but I'm such a person I'm like I need to like figure out your personality before I like Unleash all of mine and like I need to know if I can trust you I need to know like who you are and

What are your plans? Yes, which is really very different than like the sadh sun persona. And we'll talk about that in a second. And then for you, Ashton, you're a tourist rising, which I think is really cool. You know, a little glimpse into the compatibility piece of it is that you guys have opposite rising signs. So you're a tourist rising, you're a Scorpio rising. And in astrology, opposites are really cute. They're really, really good thing.

because it's like really cute because you compliment each other. It's like you are each other's missing links. Yeah. So a tourist rising is very much about sort of like what's real, what's grounded, what's anchored, what can I trust, what can I believe in, and fundamentally it really does have

a true instinct for self-preservation and self-care and knows that above all, that has to be first. And if you feel destabilized in that, that things happen. It's really, really critical.

I'm very curious to hear all about Ashton. Yeah, I need to understand her. She's like someone to me who's like hard to figure out. Well, I find myself hard to figure out. Yeah, I'm really excited to tell you about your chart. I was looking at it and I was like, oh, does Ashton know she's psychic?

Do you? No. Okay, you do. Yes, you do. We'll talk really good intuition. Yeah, we'll talk about it. Wait, I'm jealous. Wait, what do you think about crystals? Side note. Well, you know, I feel like for some people, crystals are really powerful and but they aren't for everyone. Like for me, crystals, I'm more of a cerebral person than I am a tactile person. So

Crystals are like beautiful and I love them and people like have such gorgeous crystal collections, but it's not like I don't work with it as much as other times because our friend Sally has this crystal that like it is magical I think yes, I mean there are certainly things that are magical, but sometimes it's not even the crystal like sometimes you could have like a magical Yeah, exactly. It's like you can make it when you impose like something into it Yeah, so what do you say when people say that like astrology isn't real?

Well, I mean, I don't know what is real and what isn't real. When people say that astrology isn't real, like one, it's very boring as a statement to me, like I could care less about it. And then two, I have been doing this work long enough that I know that it's real because the conversations that I have are real and the way that people have aha moments about themselves and their life and their timing is real. So whether or not it's the planets or it's the storytelling or it's the interpretation,

is irrelevant to me, the work matters, the work is real, and the work is life-changing, and therefore it is real. So the proof is in the pudding of it. It works, it hits, it makes a difference in the world. So that's what I care about. Which is why I'm really excited for people to listen to this episode. So like off the bat,

are signs like if we were to judge like our compatibility would you just go like oh i'm a Sagittarius and she's in areas or like is it really matter like the big three and like more of the breakdown well yeah i mean so when it comes to the sun signs you guys are bull fire signs so just like straight up the compatibility with compatibility would be amazing right like two fire signs two very passionate excited fiery people however i feel like i

I want to figure out when to talk about your son being in the 12th house because I feel like this is a very important reveal for you. And I think that you might become an astrologer after this. Wait, what? See, I've always been saying this. I was like, I know nothing about astrology, but I really, really, really feel like it's so important and I need to know more about it. Yeah, you need it.

You were talking about how you got into astrology. I was like, I feel like this could help me figure out a lot. Well, I feel like for Ashley was always confused because Aries, I feel like we always see as like a fire sign and like strong and really out there. And Ashley was always like, I'm just not an Aries. So she was like, this is just like, doesn't make sense. I know. So, okay. So let's, let's just get into that. And then we'll circle back to the rest of the moon signs and everything else because Ashton, it's like, I feel like I'm giving you the information and I

There's something very important I need to tell you. It's like, I'm here on a mission to report something to you. I'm so excited. Okay, so Ashton, you were born with the sun in your 12th house. And if you look at your chart, you're going to find a little shape that's a circle with, it's red, it's a circle with a dot in it. And if it was a clock, it would be at like the nine above the nine o'clock position.

So that's your sun sign. And your sun sign shows your sort of dynamism. It shows where your strengths are. It shows what energy means to you, how you sort of move through spaces. And the 12th house in astrology is considered the most psychic, the most sensitive, the most intuitive, the most quiet, the most reserved, the most needing of privacy, the most sort of like sensitive.

So yes, you are in Aries, but the way that that manifests for you is in this really psychic and emotionally charged area of your chart. So like you take in everything, you know, you read the room, I know that you read the room too, Alex, because you're a Scorpio rising, you're intense, and you can sort of pick up on vibes, but Ashton is like sometimes on in another timeline.

Like Ashton is like, time check. Like she walks in a room and she's like, oh, the energy here has like been lingering for decades. You know, like Ashton like really gets vibes on very, very. She gets the vibe. Yes, but it's also, you know, it can feel a little lonely and it can feel a little isolating to be that much in.

many different places at the same time, you know, to have certain ambitions and certain desires and want information, like your moon in Gemini, desperately is seeking information and wants to be sort of informed. But when you get that information, it's like, wow, this is a really heavy load. Like, what do I do with all of this? Where does this go? And even though you're in areas, you're certainly not like the one who's like belting. You're not like the one who's trying to make everything about you.

because you are incredibly sensitive. So you're more sort of likely to let someone else take the stage and you'll be in sort of the wings. And then you're also feeling everything. Like you feel everything. I'm like, yeah, that sounds about right. Yeah. I mean, it's interesting that what I shared related for you because I also am a Leo. So I am a fire sign as well. So it's all fire here, which I love.

but I have my son also in an area of the chart that's really sort, it's the eighth house and it's very sort of like emotional and spiritual and all of those things too. So similarly, I didn't fully relate to my Leoness until I understood, oh, the application of this is supposed to be one where I'm talking about spooky things. I'm talking about intuition. So I think Ashton, in your life, it's very likely that the work that's going to really speak to you is work around

healing and wellness and what it means to tap into your psychic powers and your intuition and like hold that fully and completely. See, this is crazy. Yeah. Okay. Wow. Like this is just to a tea. Passion. Yeah. And everything she's ever talked about. Yeah. And I also, I feel like I always struggled to really like explain myself or define myself to people. So I'm like already, I'm like, okay, this is like, we're just going to have them listen to this. Yeah.

I'm like, yeah, right, just forward it along. That's like the big reveal. And I'm glad to share it with you because I feel like it's those kind of connection points that really help us figure out who we are and have the confidence to be who we are without trying to be someone else. You know, like you're not going to ever be the person who's like out there with no sort of

awareness as to how your actions impact others. You're always going to be thinking about that. And that can feel very daunting because that's like a lot of responsibility. And you feel that responsibility, but low key, you would be amazing at business. Like, yes, you would be an incredible, incredible business person. Like behind the scenes, figuring out how to like make things happen and connect the dots. And like, yeah, that's also a superpower of yours.

Wow. That's something I never thought would be a superpower of mine. Yeah. We're bringing you on the team. Yeah. How we find the scenes for you? Well, because you get things. Yeah. This is what we always say. She just gets it. I do. Yeah, you do. You just get it. So do I get it? Yeah, you get it. You get it in a different way. Everybody gets it differently. What do I get? So, Alex, some of the things that you get are you get what people

You get like the connection to people. You get knowing how to share your story and make that story very accessible to others. So in a way, it's like you almost have, well, your opposite rising signs, right? So it's almost like you have this, it leads you to the same goal, which is why it's really, I think, going to be lovely that you guys are doing this podcast together.

But it also you have different ways of getting there and arriving at that place like you are not afraid to Just like speak and let that communication like sort of see who it connects with you know Like you'll speak first and then be like okay. Who does this relate to like? I know there has to be someone out there who gets it But then you are sort of already thinking well who's going again? You know like who could this possibly relate to this is unrelated yet exactly

And then ultimately, you're gonna find the people who are gonna be most inspired by your stories and who you are and what your offerings are, but you have sort of different paths of arriving there. Okay, that's good to know. Yes. Very interesting. Yeah, because I feel like I'm definitely a little bit more outspoken, or don't care, or I'm like, I'll just say this. And Ashton's a little bit more reserved, and I'm like, Ashton, we're podcasting. You have to tell them what's going on. She's like, tell them everything in your life. I'm like, wait. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

You want to have that counterbalance, you know? It's important to sort of arrive at that destination from multiple angles. No, it's good. And I feel like I'm out of place now, too, which I'm curious to hear about the last year. You were saying I was coming out of some turmoil or change or whatnot, because I feel like I was overdoing it a little bit, and then I kind of had to reel it in.

Yeah. So last year, so when we talk about a year at a time, usually we're talking about Jupiter, which is the planet of abundance. And it's like luck and fortune. And it shows where our luck and fortune is going to be. And it also shows where we're going to overindulge or do too much, right? Because Jupiter is the biggest planet in the solar system. And it's like more is more with Jupiter.

So with you, the last year and what we were talking about, I think a year ago, was the fact that there were all of these big contracts and big decisions and big importance, especially financial changes. I'm not sure if we talked about that specifically, but it was the subtext. It was that it was big financial considerations. And next year, or in 2025, we're going to continue that story, but come August, September,

there's going to be a really big change around how you manifest that energy. And that change is really going to look more like travel, expansion, becoming an expert at something very specifically, and like really fine tuning what your skill set is. You're going to get really, really good at one or a few very similar adjacent things and become sort of like a professional

at those, does that make sense? Yeah. Yeah. So it's sort of like taking, it's build, I mean, everything in astrology is building, just like life, right? So we build on those contracts, we build on those financial considerations, we build on everything, and then come 2025, it's really gonna be about, okay, how do I become the best at this thing, better than everyone else, you know? Okay, interesting. I mean, there is stuff I can't say, but I'm like, yes, this is making sense. Cool, amazing.

Yeah, so that's sort of how we scale from last year. I think that maybe even in the overwhelm, it was in sort of taking on too much. It's trying to spread yourself too thin with regard to, you know, what you can do, you know, and what you know how to do and what you're comfortable with. And obviously, like, you're a yes person. That's part of being a fire sign and it's part of being a sad, where you're like, I can do it, whatever, like,

I'll figure it out. Yeah. But it can also be, you can burn out from trying to learn so many new skills so fast. Yeah. You know, I think that's definitely part of my personality. I like to say yes to things. And then I'm like, I'll go back and figure out like, okay, what are the logistics or like how am I actually doing all of this? I'm like, but like, yes, like the opportunities here, like let's take it.

All the work or a lot of the work I did behind the scenes last year, which I couldn't really like talk about was all kind of planning for like what this next year for me would look like and like what decisions I would make and like what are we putting into action. Literally, I feel like the whole entire year was just me going back and forth with like, okay, this or this or this or this. And so I mean, I can't say much, but

Yeah, I'm excited for this next year with all of that. So how does the birth chart change from like, because obviously there's the birth chart of like your birth chart when you're born, but then it also changes like year to year, like just where the planets are? Yes. So there's a few different things to consider. So you have a birth chart that gets sort of activated and that goes through a metamorphosis based on where the planets are in the sky.

So your chart is going to go through these big changes based on like we're talking about Jupiter activating it, right? Like what's activating your chart? What's it setting off? What's it signaling? And then you also have a chart that you know, that's more esoteric astrology that we don't need to get into but it's like there's a theory that your chart also grows with you and it progresses but

Really, that doesn't start to matter until you get older because it doesn't change that much until you're in your late 20s. I mean, how should we, like, what's the best way to go about this? Should we go, like, one at a time and, like, walk through everything? Sure. Let's do it. So some of the things that are really standout in your chart, Alex, are obviously we talked about your Scorpio rising and that being something that, you know, your perception of reality is very much informed by who can you trust? Who can you rely on? Who can you believe?

And then the way that that actualizes is through your Sagittarius Sun. And your Sagittarius Sun is like what we were talking about. It's very like, yes, let's do it, let's like put it out and then we'll figure it out later. We'll get it, everything will work out. And there's like this just like brazenly optimistic spirit that you have of like, of course, things are gonna be fine. Why wouldn't they be fine?

which is really lovely and it's also very important for other people to match that energy and match that vibe and if they don't then that almost becomes a threat to you. Like if people start to put up obstacles or they start to doubt your ability or if they sort of like get too technical about what is or isn't possible which Ashton like you have that a little bit like because remember you're a business person at your core you're a psychic business person.

It's crazy. It's like a business woman. So like you can sort of be like, uh, I don't match her about that. And then you're like, how dare you? Yeah. Like, how dare you? Even like remotely think that that's not going to happen. Yeah. Of course it's going to happen. It's literally our everyday conversation. She's like, Oh, it's like that just won't work. And I'm like, Oh, she gets so mad. She's like, why would you say that? Right. So this is also like, I guess like a little bit of the compatibility piece of it. Right. Like,

It's important for you both to know that. It's important for Alex to have this unapologetic optimism. It's also important for Ashton. It's how she expresses care to be like, I don't know. Are you sure about that?

And for you, that might seem like it's like, what the fuck? She's like, you're such a Debbie Downer. And I'm like, well, no, sometimes it's just real. Yeah. And it's important for you to sort of that cautiousness that you have feels like it's coming from a place of protection. For you, Ashton, being disappointed is like death. Alex doesn't really care. Alex doesn't even, when something doesn't work out, she's like, OK.

Like it doesn't even really phase her. And for you, that's like really heavy. So she's so asked to try to protect you from disappointment. But Ashton, you should know that Alex doesn't care. Yeah, I don't care. It's okay. I'll be disappointed. Yeah, exactly, exactly. So it's a very different sort of approach to thinking about what priorities are and what matters.

so yeah for you it's like let's do it okay why not okay so then your moon as we talked about last time as well is in your yes perfect gorgeous a plus student your moon is in your 10th house which is about

career and legacy and it's how you make your mark on the world and how people see you and receive you. So the moon in your tent is why that moon placement, which is your emotional world, it's in Virgo, which is very much about expression and storytelling. Like people know you for your storytelling. People care about the way that you tell stories and the way that you sort of like walk them through your life.

and your emotions and your anxiety and your fears and like all of the other stuff that manifests. And the realer you are about it, the more people are going to get it. Okay.

Yeah, that sounds on brand. Yeah, definitely on brand and also like important to remember that your moon is in a sign that has a perfectionistic quality as well. So there's a little bit of a conflict there sometimes with like wanting to be real and then also wanting to be perfect, you know, and just keeping that like,

you know, keeping that in check, I think is important. Because people also relate to that pursuit of perfection, but it also could be sort of your Achilles heel along the way. You know what I mean? Achilles heel meaning bad. Like your biggest weakness. And what do we mean by that? But like optimistic, you're like, is that bad? Yeah. I love Achilles. It sounds good.

So, yeah, so those are some of the main sort of standout things of your chart. As we talked about last time also, you have some really cool signatures about like wanting to break the mold and do things differently and people kind of like projecting on you, but that not necessarily being a bad thing. That idea of you being someone who

is constantly trying to create controversy is going to also work in your favor. Yeah. I mean, we'd love some good drama.

You know? Yes. But not fat drama. But I always say, like there's that so I'm like, I'm like, things are just too like complacent right now. We need some good drama. Yeah, you want to like stir the pot just a little bit. Yeah. I always want to stir the pot. But that's something that like I have to hold myself back at times because I'm like, this is probably bad.

Why? Well, it's just not always great. Those things are like really good products. And she's like, I feel like something bad needs to happen. It's really exciting. You know, when things are too good, it's like boring. But I don't know. And I also feel like I'm someone who like, especially in social media, it's so easy to like get on there and be like fiery or like stir the pot. You know, like there's a lot of information I know at times where I'm like, I could say this and like,

just drop a bomb right now, but I try to hold myself back from doing that, because I think that's not always the best, but I always find myself wanting to do it. I'm like, this would be so good. Do you do it? Really? Yeah. I mean, I feel like that's probably because you have like that optimistic side of you to where you're like, it's like bad, but it's still good. Like me, I'd be like, no, it's not bad, but it's good for the plot. No, it's not for you. Action doesn't like,

Seeing people like talk about her or it just like anything. Yeah stresses are out. Yeah, but she's getting better at it We're working on it

Yeah, I think that Alex, that's a secret weapon of yours for sure. Like if you feel like things are getting a little too boring, like stir the pot, that you can use that always. Okay. So if you want to get to work on that, my permission. I have a few things in my draft, so. Perfect.

Yeah, I mean, whenever you're like, this is like, things are getting a little, there's a lull here. Yeah. Throw up one of those drafts. And it's not bad? No, it's not everyone can handle it. Yeah. You know, if you have the capacity to be able to sort of navigate it, it's an amazing thing.

I also envy it. I also envy the ability to just be like, I'm throwing it out there. And you have that for a reason. That is one of your skills. It's one of your strengths. So since not everybody can do it and tolerate it, because you can, it's meant for you. OK. See? It's meant for me. There you go. Everything always works out in your favor. Everything always works out. Everything is going great. OK. Good to know.

And the last thing I'll say before we look at Ashton start some more is that last year you had your Jupiter return, which was like part of the reason it was such an abundant year. And it is about sort of maintaining and continuing to scale and build on that. Like that's your work, you know, is like how do you not lose that momentum? But how do you expand it and become as we talked about like an expert? Is this able to show like what is happening this next year?

This is your birth chart. This is I know what's happening next year. I know where the planets are, so I can see where they're activating your chart. Okay. Okay, we'll get to that. Let's do Ashton's. Okay, cool.

I'm like, I want to hear all about Ashton. Yes. Okay. So I want to, I'm excited to tell you all about Ashton too. So we talked about the fact that you have this, um, airy sun in the 12th house and we're going to talk a little bit more about that in a moment.

But I also want to talk to you about your moon in Gemini because this moon in Gemini is really important for your compatibility with Alex. It's information. You know, both of you are really obsessed with knowledge and learning things and collecting the information, getting the tea, whatever it is. And the way that you share that with each other is really important. And that's going to be sort of like your constant and also it's going to be your glue.

So, never keep secrets from each other. Good to know. Yeah. I don't keep secrets. She keeps secrets from me. I don't keep secrets. I just sometimes like, I don't overshare what goes on. So she like purposefully holds information back. So, Ashton doesn't want to hurt anyone's feelings.

And Ashton is afraid of reactions. Ashton doesn't want anyone to be mad at her. She doesn't want people to like, she wants to, I mean this in the best way, like control the outcome as much as you can. Because you don't want things to get out of hand.

So part of the holding things back is also being like, I don't want this person to be upset. I don't want this person to be mad at me. I don't want this to cause a fight. Like, I want this to be as like nice and peaceful as possible. But then people get mad at you because they're like, what the fuck? Like, you didn't tell me the truth. Yeah, which just makes a lot of sense. Because me and I should say now, like, we're best friends, but there was a point like two years ago where we didn't talk for like,

a year. We never talked because she was doing something that was upsetting me, or with someone that was upsetting me, and I was very vocal about that, so she just stopped telling me things. Also because my boyfriend didn't really, they didn't get along. Which I want to ask about.

And so like he would say like things that like weren't nice about like her and it would upset me But I just wouldn't tell her and like I would just distance myself from her because I was like with him all the time And I was just like I would always tell him that I'd be like don't say that stuff about my sister But I would eventually just like I would stop telling her because then she would just hate him more and then it was right and then it kind of just like

And I didn't like, enter it with caution at all. I was just like, fuck him, leave him, like, da-da-da. And like, that, I realized, was not a good communication style to like, getting through to her. Yeah, no. Probably because she didn't want to hear those reactions. So she stopped telling me things. So we like, really didn't talk at all. Yeah, that makes sense.

Yeah, I mean, it definitely checks out with the way that you guys relate. And it makes sense that the thing that made the relationship really dicey for you was the lack of communication. Because that is your glue. And if something starts to disrupt that, if that gets compromised, that's when you guys get into a situation where you're not talking or you're feeling like distant. It's the communication thread that you both need.

But yes, Ashton, part of the reason that I want you to be a psychic witch business person, and honestly just be a witch fully. Yes, please. I think that's my dream job. Yes, yes. We'll talk after. Okay. But part of the reason that I think this is really important for you is because that placement that we're talking about the sun in your 12th house can be really, really secretive and really shady.

And not because you're trying to like be problematic, but because it's like

secrets and your hidden emotional experience, if it doesn't have a good outlet, it's not, it's gonna find itself like attracted to toxic things. And that's because you are someone who's so sensitive that like a situation ship starts to feel more like appealing to you because it's something that lives in the shadows. And you are a shadowy person. So then you're gonna find yourself in these situationships that you know aren't good for you. Alex really fucking knows or not good for you.

you know they're like very strongly not good for you but you're like well this matches my emotional intensity and therefore it makes sense to me. So Ashton was like in a situation where she was not sharing her she wasn't letting her guard down basically and like that was like a problem in it because they were like you're so hard to like get to because she doesn't want to get like hurt.

Yeah, I get it. It's a learning process. And the more that you embrace your intuition and your gut feelings and your psychic powers is not things that you need to deny, but things that you can really like bring into the equation, like you know, if someone is

Keep it is lying to you, you know, but sometimes you don't even want to confront that in yourself Yeah, and then it gets worse and worse and worse You know and that's why it's like embracing your magic is gonna really help you feel Like a badass, you know, like you're gonna be like fuck with me. Yeah, I did not know you were a magical

I've always said I'm like I feel like I'm really good at reading people or I've really good intuition but then I was like oh maybe that's just like me being egotistical and like everyone thinks that about themselves but I'm like you're kind of reaffirming my thoughts. That's awesome. Yes, now you know.

You know. And your magic too. I mean, I think everyone is magic. It's just magic in different ways. Alex is like an incredible manifester. Alex opens her eyes and is like, this is what I want and then gets an email about it. Alex is incredible at just sort of like, and that's part of that incredible optimism she has. And for you, Ashton, you are also a very magical person, but you are someone who can read between the lines. You work on a different dimension.

And you probably can see ghosts, you know, like it's, you know, I just keep like, we tell us everything. We're gonna have to talk like every day forever. Can you see ghosts? I don't think so. I don't know. I don't think so. No. Yes, you can. When I asked her in Halloween, I was like, can you see ghosts? And she was like, that's not real. And I was like, you see them.

I don't know. I don't know about that one. We'll see. Really? That's so cool. I mean and maybe it's the verbiage here. Maybe it's more of like feeling protected or feeling like there's like angels or guides in a space or who are going to be able to like

connect with you who could lean into, you can lean into their power and their support. But honestly, that's part of it too for you, is knowing that you have these connections to the intangible realms.

Is this like angel numbers? Is this all correlated to this? Yes, angel numbers can be sort of like the entry point into it. I see them all the freaking time, like all the time. Yeah, so that's sort of like the, that's sort of a cue that you are sort of on that path.

Interesting. Wow. So does it mean anything that I was born at 3.33 a.m.? Another angel number, right? Like it says it's, listen, like magic runs through families, you know? And there's, when you are a magical person, you're not just in, you know, you have magical relatives. That's why you have like these amazing families that do incredible things, right? Like literally wizards a boy really plays. Literally. Literally casual. Oh my God. And you were born at 7.11, which is a corporate magic.

angel number. A few other things in your chart. Ashton, for you this year, you're so one of the things that I know that everyone is very curious about is when their Saturn return is happening. And what does that mean? So your Saturn return is when Saturn, which is the planet that's associated with like

wisdom and discipline and responsibilities comes back to where it occupied at the moment you were born and it's this big maturation moment where you sort of like become who you are. So neither of you have to worry about it for a long time because you're both such babies but it's gonna happen for you Alex in 2029 and for you Ashton in 2031 which is like very feels like a very long.

It does. But Ashton, you are going through something right now called your Saturn Square, which is when you are starting this process of figuring out who you are and what matters and what you care about and where you want to be dedicating your time and energy. So Alex, you went through that in 2022. So what was going on in your life in 2022?

Didn't you? 2022 was the start of my senior year of college and, well, I guess end of my junior year. Oh, wait, this is crazy because the, so I was the end of my junior year of college.

I was supposed to go abroad and I got this like, I had always wanted to go abroad my whole life and I got this like gut feeling, um, where I, it was like two weeks before I was supposed to live in Barcelona. I was like set to go. Um, this is like one of the things I've always wanted to do in college and like two weeks before I literally was like crying myself to sleep every night and I was like, I can't go abroad. I can't go abroad.

And my reasoning, but I didn't want to tell anyone, my reasoning was that I found out that you couldn't get packages. It'll make sense. I found out you couldn't get packages there. And I had just started to like, I really wanted to like do social media. And I was trying to find like management companies, like work with me and do brand deals. And I was like, I really, really want to do this. Like I really want to give it a shot.

and I had like a smaller following at the time but I was like I really like want to try this thing out and when I found out that basically I would have to put that on pause for like six months when I feel like I was just starting to get like a little bit of like oh maybe I could like try and do this and I found out that I couldn't do it if I went so I was like

I don't know. I just, I didn't go. I canceled my trip abroad and then I interviewed with a bunch of different management companies and they all like declined me. They were like, you, you're not big enough. You don't have enough followers. And I was like, I will do anything. I was like, please, like, I just really want to like try and work with brands. Like I really, really want to do this. And it sounds so stupid. But I did end up finding this one girl, Lexi, and she was like in Australia. And she signed me that.

years like when i didn't go broad and then i started to do like smaller brand deals and that's how i started to make connections with like it was like white fox like i got my first contract in like passion noven i was like beyond excited and like made my entire world to me and it was through that next year that i really started to like take it seriously and i would just kind of ramp it up and ramp it up and then end of 2022 is when i like went from like a hundred thousand followers to like

four or five million. So it was crazy. But I really think that it wouldn't have all happened if I had one abroad. That's what I think. Yeah. Yeah. Wow. I mean, that's amazing. And that's also like what a testament to believing in yourself, to your intuition, to just sort of like knowing the direction that you wanted to go and not

like not trying to block yourself along the way because often what I think happens is that people get afraid of the things that they want and they get afraid of like failure or they get afraid of disappointment or they get afraid of like what if it doesn't work out and then I haven't done this but you like truly truly committed and believed in yourself and you saw immediately the return of that.

And Ashton, no pressure. But that's kind of what, that's the story. That's this moment for you too. So it is about making important decisions about what you want for your future. But what if I don't know what I want? She does know what she wants. I don't. Yeah, you do. Do I? Yeah, I don't think so.

I always like wish for clarity in my life because I feel like there's so many things like just throughout my life that I've like tried or started out or like never really been like good at something or like felt like passionate like really really strongly about something that like I've done with my life. So I kind of just feel like I'm all over the place. So that's like always what I've wished for is just like clarity and what I'm doing and I've still kind of like feel that way right now. Like I don't really really know like what I want.

Yeah, I mean, I hear that and I think that, and I relate to it, obviously, because that was sort of the point that I was at when I found astrology. So obviously just become an astrologer in your life. But I think that it is about sort of taking it slow. I really think that the more that you hold your intuition,

and the more that you trust sort of like your sensitivities and lean into them as an asset rather than as a weakness, you're gonna have more and more clarity. I think that trying to be, you know, you guys are really different. So you're not going to have the same storyline and you're not gonna have the same pathway. But I really, I think that there's something around like wellness and there's something around sort of like,

truth-telling and a gentleness that could be really meaningful for you. You're not gonna have, you're not like Alex in that you can just put controversies off and then it's like, and you can roll with that. You have to, your approach is gonna be sort of more tender, it's gonna be more delicate and it's going to have a little bit more sort of like, you're gonna be thinking about the implications of things more.

Yeah. And it's a good counterbalance. You guys can support each other really nicely in that. So what's the best way for us to, like, communicate? Or just for you guys, I mean, just tell each other as much as you can. Just talk to each other and don't lose that line of communication. Ashton, when you're doing shady things, just tell Alex, Alex, don't judge her. OK. Yeah. Don't be mean.

just be sensitive and gentle, you know, like be sort of supportive and recognize that it's coming from a different place than it would be for you, you know? And yes, like there's a confidence building that is like part of this process. Like you deserve to be with people who treat you well, Ashton, obviously.

And Alex, you know that and it's annoying to you when you see Ashton put herself in situation where you're like, you deserve better. Like why? But you guys are going to work together on it. You know, it's something where you guys are going to, you know, be in process through that. So what about compatibility with like men or dating? Is that because I'm a Sagittarius, like there's one or two signs that like I'm more compatible with or

No, because you're not just a sagg, you know, you also are the, you're a Scorpio rising, you're a Virgo moon, you have all of the different planets. So I like to talk about compatibility through the lens of how are we compatible with people, not whether we are compatible, you know, like what are the strengths in relationships? Okay. And we talked about last time your boyfriend and the compatibility there. He's a Libra, right? Yeah, he's a Libra. Yeah.

I mean, Libra is really beautiful for you because the way that, and when is his birthday? October 6th. Cool. Yeah. So Libra activates an area of your chart called your 11th house, which is very inspiring for you. So the relationship and the way that he shows up in your life is really something that like makes you feel sort of like you do really good work with him. You know, like you are some, he like prompts you and inspires you to be even a better version of yourself.

Also like a more humanitarian version of yourself also thinking of like how you can actually make really a big difference and do positive things in the world and that is a really nice complement to who you are and what your natural motivation is. Okay cool. And what is it like my problem with like commitment? I have like very big commitment issues I feel.

I mean, that's like the Sagittarius tale is oldest time story. Sag is the archer and it likes to sort of like throw its arrow and just run. You know, it's like it's on it's literally represented by a horse, you know, like a centaur. So you got to go, you know, like got a blast. Like you can't stay there and just like

Get bored. I love change. I think that's my problem is I'm uncomfortable being comfortable. Like I always need to feel a sense of like I'm stressed out or like I'm panicked or I don't know what's going on or like I can't see a clear end. Like do you know what I mean? I always need to be a little bit lost in the sauce.

I think that's great. I think you need that. And I think that that's where your ambition comes from. And I think that it's good to have that sense, especially where you are in your life right now. There's going to be different seasons in your life. You don't want to impose that. If you want kids, you don't want to impose that on your kids. But for you right now at this age, that's a good place to be.

Yeah, but when it comes to a relationship, I feel like it's like I had always preferred to be in a relationship where I could see the ending. Like I knew that like we wouldn't last because of X, Y, Z. Right. And like the fact like I'm with Braxton and I'm like, he's perfect. He's great. Like I see no end. Like sometimes that's something for me where I'm like, Oh my God. Oh my God. Like I'm committing to this for life. Oh my God. And then I freak out and like, what, how do I stop that? Or is that just part of me?

I do think it's part of you, but I also think that how does Braxton respond when you feel that? He's very open to my issues. He's like, okay, no stress. He doesn't ever try to push anything or push me in any type of way, even when we

I couldn't commit to like saying that we were dating for so long because I was like the label's gonna stress me out because then once we say we're dating then like then we have to know like when we're breaking up like I just like I would freak out like that so he was like okay so then let's not have a label on it. Like he's very like chill with my craziness. Yeah, we love a Libra. That's so Libra. But what about Libra being because I always got warned with Libra men that they were like really flirty and like bad. That's why I always heard.

Well, one, not all, not everyone is the same, right? We have a whole chart, but two, like that also is like not the worst thing for you. Yeah. Like you also like need a little bit of excitement if somebody was just like constantly doting on you without ever having their own personality. Yeah, okay. It's good for your boyfriend to be charming enough where you're like, oh yeah, he's hot. Yeah. Great. And then what for Ashton? What, what's best for Ashton? So Ashton like,

The number one thing that we need to focus on is are they available? That's the question. That's going to be your biggest measure. I don't honestly care what sign they are. I just want them to be available.

like available like physically or like emotionally? All of it. Physically, emotionally. I don't want you in long distance relationships. I know it's your favorite, but I don't want it. All of Ashton's relationships. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I want you to be like, then that's the physical, emotional, like someone who's actually

present someone who's there with you, because they do become ghosts, right? If they're not physically there. Yeah, that's the thing I've noticed when I'm like, not with someone. And I'm like, supposed to be, I'm kind of like, uh, they're not out of sight, out of mind. Yeah. It's like, uh, yeah. So it's, it's, and it goes both ways. Like you do need to open up. Yeah. We were talking about, but like you're opening up is going to be, you have to be with someone who is

like, not disgusting. Like, you have to be with someone who's like, like, who's sensitive and who can hold space for you being complex. When we're discussed, that was asking. You know what I mean. Yes, I get the egg so bad all the time. Oh, my God.

This is your rubric is not like what sign are you. It's like those things. It's like a reasonable, not disgusting person who's actually physically there. And can physically be with you and emotionally be there with you. OK, good to know. I feel like part of the allure of someone who's not fully available is that it keeps this sort of intrigue for you around what's going to happen and how is this going to unfold and what's the storyline.

But it really damages your confidence. And I don't want you to just feel like your confidence is being shot time and time again. So the person who is actually probably a little bit boring, a little sweet, a little bit, even a little quiet, might actually be the right person for you. You don't need to find this over-the-top charismatic

Exhausting, energy. You know, you want someone who's gonna actually be present if you want to find someone long-term. That's your long-term person, but you're also like too young to get married. Yeah. Yeah. We don't need long-term. No. But still, I don't want you to have your confidence, like, busted up by these losers. Yeah.

So she dated a Sagittarius, and then I also dated a Sagittarius as well, and it was like the worst match ever. Like we would, her Sagittarius and me would hate it each other. We hated, then then we didn't hate each other. We just butt heads a lot. Yeah. Yeah. This is the one we were telling you about. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

You don't need to necessarily date a sad. Sadges are really vivacious and intense, and you have one. You have your sister who's a wonderful sadge. But again, I'm less concerned about what this sign is and more concerned about the other qualities. If they're available, if they're kind, if they're sensitive, if they don't have five girlfriends.

good to know. Is there anything else you see for me like this year? Yeah. So this year for you is going to be a lot about your community and your network and figuring out who your people are. And that's going to be sort of like the the most important focus for you in the in 2025 is like what who is on like who do I actually get along with? Who do I actually have a good time with? And then how can I bring those people into

this next journey of wherever I'm going, you know? How can I sort of like build a community that is going to support me and keep growing with me? And also finding your community online too, like finding the people who are there for you and the people who really relate to the work that you're doing and what you care about and all of the things that make you who you are.

Interesting. And then also, I mean, 2025 this year is like a very wild year for all of us in the collective. There's a lot of really big changes happening. This TikTok getting banned.

I don't know that I can tell you, but I can tell you that there's going to be a lot of social media change. Oh, Jesus. So it might, it might. Okay. Because one of the things that's changing in astrology is the planet that moved into a sign in 2011, which is sort of when I see social media sort of becoming what it is now is changing signs for the first time in 14 years. So it feels like there is a changing of the guard happening.

But I'm telling you that because if you know that, you can be on top of it. You know, you can be ready for the change when it comes, ready to pivot, ready to like, you know, go in a different direction as needed. So yeah, I don't know, but there is going to be a lot of change.

Okay. And what else this year is happening in the planets? There's going to be a big movement towards new starts, new beginnings, new chapters. And I love that for all of us because like who doesn't want a new chapter one? And two, it's like if there's things that we haven't been that we've been waiting to pursue but have been afraid,

to actually get started with, then this new year 2025 provides us with the opportunity to be like, you know what, I'm going to assign this task to 2025 and make it my business to do it. And make it my business to actually get serious about whatever it is. So it's really this invitation to, if there's something that you've been waiting for, now is the chance to do it.

So for me, also something I struggle with is I don't know where I want to live or where I want to be. And I feel like I can't commit to one place. Is that just like, I'm using this as a therapy session. You know, it's interesting because next year for you is so much about travel and expansion. And I feel like you're not supposed to know where you want to live right now because you're still not really supposed to be stuck anywhere.

Okay. Okay. Good to know. Yeah. Um, there'll be a time and place for that, but it's not now. Okay. And again, like, you know, you have such a good intuition around things like in the same way that you're like Barcelona is not for me right now because I'm not going to be able to do what I need to do if I go there. Like.

There's probably a reason that you're like, I don't know where I want to live. And that reason is probably that you're not really supposed to be too anchored yet. You're supposed to still be nimble because you're figuring out where the best place for you to land is. And he said, August, September is a time of honing in on something and perfecting something. And is there any other major points of this year that you see anything happening?

For me? Well, let's see. I think that it could be in March when we have Neptune moving into Aries, which is for you, activating this creativity zone of your chart. That would be a very great time to release something.

Interesting. Yeah. Okay. I am. Okay. Cool. What about for Ashton? I hate that I can't say anything. I'm like, no, okay. You better tell me after. Okay. Not fair. Ashton, for you, I think that this year is really, really, really about like doing the emotional work.

I don't know. I feel. I get it. I understand. I think that this year for you is like really like this quest that you're on and figuring out what you want. Like that's what you should be doing. Okay.

And it's the right. That's a good question to have. You know, what do I want? And also something to keep in mind is that you can change your mind whenever you want to. You're not stuck. You know, we're never trapped into a narrative. Like we have choice. We have free will. We have flexibility. But for you to start to discern what you like and what you don't like, that's great work. Well, Ashton's graduating this year. So that's a really big year for her and change and figuring out what you want to do.

Mm-hmm. What are you thinking that you want to do? I want to move to New York once I graduate, but I don't really move to New York to an old apartment with like crown molding. That's haunted. Literally what I was telling. I was saying to someone, I don't know if it was Sally or someone, but I was like, I really want like an old apartment with like the old molding and just like all the vibes in it. That's exactly what you should have. Okay. Can you please find a ghost for me?

I want to see a ghost. Should I get into ghost hunting? Literally. Yes. Actually. But more than ghost hunting, it's like mediumship. It's like channeling. Really? Yeah. Tyler Henry. That's like crazy. Like, you think I have that in me? Yeah. How do you channel that? Yeah. How do you go about that? It's different for everyone.

But it's really about first step is learning how to trust your intuition and trust yourself. And not be afraid of that, right? Like not be afraid to bring that into a conversation or be like, you can be the witchiest girl in the room. Like that's okay, you should be. You know, if you are, then be the witchiest girl in the room. You don't have to be basic. You know what I mean? Like you can really be the weirdo. It's great. I embrace it. I love it. I think it's fantastic. I love that. Oh, I feel like you needed to hear that. Yeah.

This is amazing. Permission. I actually wants to get into modeling too, but she won't say it, but I'll say it for her. Yes. I mean, I would say that obviously just be gentle with yourself because it's because you're really sensitive. So just make sure that you're doing this work as you're presenting yourself and going out there into the world because obviously it's like that's a notoriously ruthless industry. And I think that's also why I don't even

tell people that I want to go into it because I'm already like nervous of like what people will say or think or think about me when I like talk about that. Yeah. Because like I don't even know. Ashton's confidence is something that she has to work on for sure. It makes me sad and that's why I feel like I get overbearing with her is because I feel like she sometimes like lacks self confidence and she's so perfect and she just doesn't like admit it or see it.

Yeah, I mean, a son in the 12th house can be that, you know, it can really, but an example, there's like very lots of examples of people who have son in the 12th house, like Mariah Carey has an airy son in the 12th house. And she obviously, you know, has not let that hold her back from being Mariah Carey.

So I feel like there's ways that you can figure out how to do it and how to integrate all of it. But yeah, I think that honestly Ashton, after this conversation, knowing that you are officially certified, psychic, magic witch, I really feel in my heart that you are going to have more confidence after this.

I just do. But I really do because you're going to feel more seen. Yeah. And at least like validated in my own thoughts and opinions. Yes. And then another piece of it is that you need to feel safe. Stability and safety and security are really, really important for you. And being sort of like outside of your comfort zone can feel really lonely and feel really sort of like uncomfortable. Scary. Yeah. And that's not necessarily something you have to run away from,

Like we do want to challenge ourselves. We do want to become stronger people who are more capable of withstanding different types of circumstances and conditions. So it's not like this doesn't feel good. I should never do it. But it is something it's like a you have to work up to it, you know. So is there anything that you're working on anything you want to talk about? I have a podcast. It's called Horoscope Weekly. It comes out every Monday.

My book came out not that long ago. Is this the book you brought? It's a book I brought. It's 365 days of reflections on astrology and tarot and manifestations and magic. So you can flip to a random page every day and see what the message is. You can go through it for an entire year.

I love that. I love that. So fun. Well, thanks for coming on Hot Mess. Thank you so much. We're going to have to do another catch up. Looking forward to the year. Yes, it's going to be a great one. It's going to be a wild one. Thank you, Lisa. Wait, did I just turn that off? How do I get that back on?

I'm a hot mess.