Olivia Attwood: OnlyFans, Cam Girls, Pornhub and Sugar Babies (FBF)

What is up, Daddy Gang? It is your founding father, Alex Cooper, with call her Daddy. Hello? Oh, my God.

I feel like I know you. I know, I know, I've been so excited to meet you. This is going to be so good, you need anything. No, I've let you help myself to like free persecco from the... Wait, what? I don't even know. Guys, I didn't get offered any. What the... It was inappropriate, I just took it. Really, let's go. Welcome to London babe. Oh my god, I'm so happy to be here. What are we at with swearing for this pod? You fucking little dirty cunt, I'm going to slide a dildo up your...

You can say whatever the fuck you want, but I wondered like I'll be gonna make drinks or whatever cuz I know no one offered me a drink so I was like I think guys can we get Alex? So apparently Olivia's been drinking without me I found in a fridge I was up. I might pay someone's goes to corner shop. It's upstairs in the fridge There was four bottles, and I just took a tumbler. Okay ready. Yeah ready

Olivia Atwood, welcome to Collard Addie. That sentence just gave me chills. I'm called Kickspumps. Wait, I love it so much. I'm so happy to be here in your presence. Really? Yes! Okay, I'm gonna give you back story because I'm gonna lube you up here. Okay. Okay. Pandemic. I'm sitting in my New York City apartment. I am so bored as we all are. And I'm like, I need to find a TV show that I can like,

go and binge. I need to be here for days on end and I find Love Island. And I put on my social media and I'm like, what season do I start? Obviously, UK. And everyone, it's like, you have to watch three or five. You have to watch three or five. And so naturally, I'm like, I'm starting with three. I click on three.

Your beautiful face pops up. And the entire season, I was obsessed. You were so incredible. I was like, I need to interview this girl. And I thought this like, over a year and a half ago to two years ago. So naturally, I flew 5,000 miles. So I could sit down with you and interview Olivia Atwood. Woo! This is crazy. This is crazy to me. Like, I've been a fan of the podcast forever. Like, I swear to God, the Instagram, everything.

Guys, it was wild. Daddy gang, be nice to me. Oh, are you kidding me? They are going to be so nice to you. I've actually had people wanting you to come on the show for so freaking long. And I had reached out to your team and I think we had originally been like, we can just do a Zoom. I remember this a little bit, yeah. I was like, are you fucking kidding me? I'm not doing a Zoom with Olivia Atwood. Like a Zoom as well. It's not the same, right? We can't drink for a second.

Let's go back a little bit. Okay. Because everyone knows you from Love Island and you were incredible on it. But before Love Island, young, young Olivia, not that young, but like, you know, now I'm not saying she's like 10 years old doing this, but you were like so creepy. You were a grid girl. Yeah. Can you explain what is a grid girl? What was your job? What were you doing? I was a model, but doing grid girl and promotion stuff to like fill the gaps, you know, and I was

At this thing, we have in the UK called the Touring Car Championships. It's like pretty low-key, whatever. It was there, it was a miserable fucking day. It was like the north of England. And I was like, what am I actually doing? Like standing here with this sad little flag. And then the monster girls were there with another team. And one of the girls approached me and she was like, would you want to work with us? But when you work with a monster, you can only do like a monster. You can't do like a bit of this bit of that.

So I said, yeah. And then yeah, I started like a week after that. And I did that solidly for like, oh, God, it four or five years, I was like a monster girl. So it's everything. It's like all sporting events, like ski, skate, like track, cars, motorbikes.

isn't this crazy? Obviously it's a bunch of hot girls and you're hanging out and naturally I can only imagine like the parties and the vibes. What is one of the wildest nights out you remember having during that time of your life? They were always wild like it was you know the amount of times I turned up with no sleep like I mean I was just a different animal back then like I couldn't do it now like I'd be in a fetal position like rocking crying like I was

I could go out all night and then still look hot the next day. It was like, you know, it's like to be that age is just the dream. But people always say to me, oh, the ride is the drivers. But you know, like the thing was like Formula One drivers, Mochi people, they don't drink. Like really they don't. They're like, they are like quite a weird breed. Like they're not super social. It's a very like, you know, isolated sport. So they don't really get involved in like,

you know, partying and stuff. So it was more like, I'd end up like with the mechanics, like, I didn't give a shit, but he was down to like, drink with me and get messy. I was all about it. Like, I didn't care if you were changing tires earlier, you saw grease in your hands. If you want to go and like...

pound a bottle of yayiga, let's do it. I had no prejudice. I did good shit. I love that for you so much. Also, I was thinking about it because I've dated athletes before. I know you're engaged to one. And so I'm thinking, I forgot that concept. When you're younger, you want to go for these athletes, but it's almost like wait till you're a little bit older because they don't fucking party. No.

And they're so like obviously dedicated to what they're doing and focused and nothing is going to like just disgusting. I've got to imagine having dedication and self-control. Olivia and I are like, it's so annoying that they won't party with us. Like I don't comprehend it. I want to get a vibe, Olivia, of like, how would you describe your dating life before Love Island?

give it to us. So I had a long term relationship with just this piece of shit, but I was with him for like four or five years. It was like my first real thing. And I was doing modeling and I was very obsessed with this relationship. And I almost, you know, my modeling agency was so done with me because I would flake on things because I just wanted it to be

with him all the time. I didn't even care to have my own money. I had no drive. It was a really good lesson for me. I learned I'm so glad I had that kind of relationship at that young age because it taught me everything that I needed to know. Do you know what I mean? To have your own money, to have your own independence. I just was obsessed and I was flaking on jobs.

He used to do this thing where he'd break up with me on the Friday and be like, I'm going, whatever. I'd be all anxious and I'd be a mess and then on Monday'd come back and be like, oh no, let's work it out. He just picked me up and dropped me all the time. So when Monster actually gave me a lifeline at that time that I needed, it's weird. Everything in my life I feel like would love Ireland, Monster. It's like the universe has thrown me this life vest. At that time, it's like, because doing Monster at first, when I realized how much travel it was, I was a bit like,

I don't want to, like, travel and be away from him because I was, like, obsessed for some reason. And it's, like, doing that and seeing the world and meeting new people open my eyes to, like, oh, my God, there's this massive world out there. And you've made your world so freaking small, like, for what reason?

So it kind of opened my eyes to how dire the situation I was in was. And then that broke down, like, for a good reason. But then following that, my dating was like pretty erratic. Like, I just used to like, you know, go from one guy to the next. I jump in really feet first. Like, I am all about that. I want them to be obsessed with me. I want to be obsessed with them. I want to get tattoos on the second day. I want them to move in.

They could come the second date with my name tattered on their head and I'd be like, do you want to go upstairs? My friends are like, that's insane. I'm like, I love him. So I love that.

that obsessive being in love. So I was always, you know, going kind of once the next chase in that feeling. Sometimes you have to go through those relationships. I don't know anyone that hasn't had that one obsessive relationship that borders unhealthy. And it takes you having distance and space from someone to then be like, oh my God. And it may literally be like you going away for your job a bunch. And then all of a sudden you're like, wait, this shit is not healthy. Whether you're like viewing your friends or the people around you. And you all of a sudden are like, okay, I need to like look at this differently.

At one point, I don't even think I had like my own debit cards. It was ridiculous. Like I didn't, I literally like, when I say pulled the rug from under my feet every time he like left me, I was like, you know, I was underweight and I was crying and I was just, I was just like, I was just, it was so unhealthy. And I just, it just learning that at that age, like, you know, my late teens, early twenties was like, I think a really important lesson to learn. It just, I remember how I felt and I thought I'm never going to let myself be in that situation again.

Yeah, if Brad worked out tomorrow, it would hurt. Like, I wouldn't get over it in a day, but I could still get in my car that I own, drive somewhere, get my own house. I mean, I'm good. Like, I'd be heartbroken, but I'm good. I'm not gonna be on my knees like I was with that situation. I've been in one of those two and I think it's like, if he left tomorrow,

What happened? Like, am I okay? Like, again, heartbroken is different than, like, we, I literally have nowhere to live, no money, no friends. My family is gone because I distanced myself, like, checking those moments. I was, like, distanced from everyone, like, friends, family, like, completely isolated. Like, so, yeah, monster was, like,

you know, it was, it threw me a lifeline and we had the best. I travelled the world. This is my thing that I say is like, you know, people get on about grid girls or like, you know, ring girls and this anti-feminism. Like who, we've had men telling us what to do. Now we've got other women telling us what to do. If you feel empowered doing something and you're safe and you're in an environment like monster is a safe, you know, is a very safe gig for me.

Who's anyone else to tell me? That empowered me, changed my life. It threw me a lifeline. That is amazing. But at the same time, I did it for four or five years. I got to the end of my thing with it. When you're working for a brand like that, there's not much individuality. You have to have your hair a certain way or nails a certain way.

do this at the oven towards the end, because I felt like I was outgrowing it a little bit. I started pushing the boundaries, like burning some bridges, you know, just like acting like just acting out, because I started to be like, no, I'm going to come with red nails like just for the fucking heaven. Right. That's actually really cool though for you to like hear about.

the whole concept of how monster helped you because I agree. I feel like so many people are so quick, especially with whatever women are doing. If anything has to do with your looks, they're like, it's degrading. You're not empowering yourself. And it's like, hold on. Like, why don't you ask me how I feel first? Thank you. And I feel like what they think is without this, how do I say this without it coming off really bad? Obviously, I think of myself as somewhat intelligent.

But some girls, they just do want to do their fucking hair and look pretty and that might be their thing in life. And why can you tell them that that's not good enough or that's not empowering? I'm not telling the girls at NASA, you can't work there because I'm not clear enough to work there. Let people do their thing. Thank you for sharing that. You're so welcome. Love Island.

Okay, so we're going to go through a little bit of that for people that don't know. Also, I just want you to know, I only watch Love Island UK. I think it's entertaining. I haven't watched the Australia one, have you? I dipped in a little bit, but not like properly. Is it as good? I don't think anything's as good as UK. It's not. It's just not. Okay, so for anyone who has never seen Love Island, how do you describe like the concept of the show?

It's like good looking girls and guys on an island dating it's a game show there's money at the end but the essentially it's like you get coupled up and you have challenges thrown at you and it's it's a test is you know who can

find a real connection, a connection real enough to take you to the final and maybe win that money. Although it's weird with Love Island, like when you're in there, no one really gives a shit about the money. Yeah, it's the kind of like, you wouldn't even need the money at the end. The money is just like a thing, but it's, it kind of, yeah, no one focuses on that in a weird way. I love that though, because I was thinking about it. I feel like Love Island is so much more

accepted and loved, then consider like the bachelor. It's like, it's not realistic that after six weeks, you're going to get married. Like, I love how Love Island is like, are we gonna hit it off and are we gonna leave here together as a couple? Like, that's so much more realistic and obviously being in a house together and there's alcohol and there's nothing else to do other than you. Alcohol is like two glasses.

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We had two glasses of wine and I all beer. That's shocking, because I didn't realize none of you were hammered. So all that stuff I'm doing, I'm basically sober. I'm just, I was supposed to be hammered when the fight scene happens. No, I didn't even have my drink yet. And then I went outside and the producer said, you're not getting anything tonight. I was like, oh, you're joking. I was like, honestly, I swear, I'm so better. Can you imagine everyone looking up? It was a fight club.

No, it actually would have been probably, like, not even arable because it would have gotten so wild. So the reason is, they say, because I questioned them every day. So the point where they're like, if you ask about it, again, you're going to get a written warning is what I was told in the beach heart. Because I argue that every day is that the show is because it's about dating, about love. They don't want people doing stuff, you know, driven by alcohol. And the next day, waking up being like, Oh, I don't actually like him. I don't even snog him because I was drunk because it's not a kind of show. It wouldn't make sense. They want people.

kissing and being in bed together because it's they want to not because they're drunk

Right, which is so different. I feel like in real life though, because let's be real. I mean, I've gone from living on my own since I was like 21. And you know, doing what I want to being told, like, you know, you got too glass. So it was a real heart for my head, like to deal with. Oh, yeah. I feel like I would feel that way too. Okay. So that's a really good insider info. I did not know. So when you got there in your mind and your experience, like what was the atmosphere and energy on that set?

Series three was the one that like blew up, right? So we had series one and two in the UK that were popular. So I was meant to go on series two. This is like the team. Give us how you account. Like tell me the tea. So it's really like an eye rolling kind of like nauseating ways, but I was approaching Instagram, they DM me. So series two, they DM me. I only watched a little bit of series one. It was popular, but really like no one was really talking about it. I was doing the monster thing. I'd started a thing off with this guy. It was like a rider, whatever.

like motecross thing. And I was all about him. We'd done the tattoos and stuff after the second date was sweet. And then you actually did. Yeah, I've got it still now. It's like a bit faded. But yeah, we did this. Brad, like, can we get rid of that? He's the most like fat guy. He's practically horizontal. Like he's got like the BDE, like, you know, is that what Kim says? Like he's got that

Big dick energy. You couldn't give a shit. Like he's yeah. What is the tattoo of? It's just his initial. Yeah, I did it like this two weeks instead. Would you care if Brad had that? I don't think so. No. I don't know. I would have cut it out of my sleeve. You're like, no, I wouldn't care. I would have just sliced it off during his time sleeping. He wakes up. What are you doing? Nothing! Also, it's for everyone listening. Brad is Olivia's character. Yeah, that's fine. Okay, great. Okay, so. Long suffering, fantastic.

You need this guy, you get that two second date. Yeah, we're all into it. They approached me. They were like, you know, so I went and I didn't, we were just dating. So I was like, um, you know, I'll see it through, went to meet like interviews, whatever, then they offered me on. I was all like, I was basically carrying on as if I was going to do it.

And then it got to like literally, I'm leaving in like two weeks. And I was like, oh, I don't know. Like, I've got a really good thing going. I like this guy a lot. This show, is it a bit like, you know, I've seen all the kind of the program images with the colorful backgrounds? And it was no one I've really thought it was cool yet. So I was like, I'm doing something that I think is quite cool. And with this guy, so anyway, I just, I just ghosted. I just flocked to everyone from face to eye TV. I would just- And were they like, hello? Yeah, they were like, calling. I was like, it's just panicked, blocked everyone. I was like, it's gonna carry on with my life.

And then basically, I was with him for a good like nine months or something. Anyway, he cheats on me, sleeps with this girl, I go like- How did you find out? I had like a, you know, just like a sick sense. I can't remember now the exact- You just knew in your gut. I just knew, and I just, honestly, I've meddled so much. I just went like, I was, yeah, I was quite crazy. Wait, what did you do? You have to tell someone called her daddy Olivia.

I was just like writing on my Instagram like wild stuff like ugly pictures of him like look at this piece of shit that cheated on me. I was just like stuff that I was ashamed because I could never do that now because people would be like oh like you know I just really enjoyed being like a nobody you know like just say what I once heard I was calling up his work non-stop I was just insane. I was just literally my mum we were shopping in London when I found out my mum's like wrestling me like in sales just trying to get the phone out of my hand because I'm doing so much damage.

She's like, you need to stop, you need to stop. I'm like, I can't. And she's like, it's all for the better. I'm like, no, it's not. I'm like, comedy has done this to me. No, I get that feeling though. You're like, he needs to feel a little bit of the hurt that I felt. And so I get that, I get that. Yeah, I just, I just went, I reindulged myself. I treated myself to a proper meltdown. Like I really did. I was like, smash at four p.m. rolling around London, just like ringing up his work. Just fucking crazy.

Rang is mom. Just everything. I'm like, your son's a piece of shit and she's like, oh, yeah. And then I saw this advert. I swear again, it's like a whole universe moment. I saw this advert casting for Love Island. It was on like a bustle or something to like season three. I thought, oh.

I should have done that last year. So I go on my phone, I find these people from Irvine, I unblock a couple of them. I just ring them up, don't I? I just rang them up, shout out to Lewis, he took the call. I was like, hi, I was like, do you remember me? And he was like, yes, you're the girl that disappeared. And I was like, well, I was like, I would love to have a chance.

to come on the show, like, can't even keep a straight face saying it. And he was like, I don't know what the execs are going to say. They're probably going to tell you to, like, take a running jump. He's like, but I will speak to them. It's quite late in the day for, like, see, I, you know, they think they'd already cast most people. I just hung out. I was going to get all my feelings. Like, what am I doing? I don't want to do monster anymore. Like this guy's loser and, and he called me back like the next day. And he's like, you can come on if you leave in two weeks.

So literally that was it. I went like on a mad like Xara Hall, like other brands are available and just got all the bikini's dresses and like two weeks later I was gone.

So once you got there and you were hanging, what was, do you think the biggest key to success on Love Island? So my thing going into it, and I, you know, I'm really open about this, when I had nervous feelings about going in, I thought the worst thing you can do on these kinds of shows, I think, is go in, be booted out in week one, and no one even remembers you were there. Like, what was the point? Like, I've left once said they're not going to have me back up, burn all those bridges. I've left a modeling agency. I've, you know, screwed off the guy that I was saying, like, I felt like, if I want to do this, I have to,

do this properly. And I'm going to make sure everyone knows that I'm in the building. Like that was my main thing. And I really, you know, I just thought I'm going to, I thought to myself, when I get in there, I'm going to forget those cameras. I'm just going to do it how I would live life. But it's crazy. Like I know everyone says it, but like after like 24 hours, you really forget, like you really forget you're like being watched. Oh my God. Like,

You know, there were certain members in that villa who maybe were slightly more canny and were, you know, more self-aware. I've always been unself-aware. I'd like to say, like, if you put me in now, I know that they get how many billions of viewers a night that I would behave a different way. I probably wouldn't, because I can't. I cannot be anything but a hot mess.

I always talk about on my show, like, guys, self-awareness is so key. And Olivia's walking and be like, I am so unself-aware. Can you give us examples of what you mean by that? Because you don't see... I get what you're saying of, like, the hot mess. You look great put together right now. You're speaking eloquently. But what do you mean by your unself-aware? Just, you know, I hate this expression, but, you know, like, wear your heart and your sleeve. I'm very, like, I feel something, or I don't like something. I don't like someone. I can't help but kind of...

Either my face says it or my mouth says it. One of them is going to say it like, I can't, you know, I can't be a wolf flower despite trying at times. It's like verbal diary. I feel like I'm literally like chewing my lips and it's like, I just, did you get in trouble for that a lot when you were younger? Oh, like, oh my God. My mommy just say to me like, what is this?

I'm ADHD, which I know now, which explains a lot, but at school I used to do the weirdest shit, and then get in so much trouble, and then I'd cry on the way home. My mum would be like, why did you do that? And I'd be like, I don't know, I literally don't know. Okay, well, it made for really great reality TV. Okay, so wrapping up Love Island, when you look back, what did you learn about yourself during your after-filming that entire experience?

If I watch her now like, you know, I watch myself on Love Island, I was quite angry, you know, I was like, I was looking for an argument all the time, I think of mellow. And I think it's not, there's nothing I would have done differently, because that's who I was at that time. And hindsight and age, I'm a lot more relaxed now. I wouldn't get wound up about those kind of things, but that's who I was then. And also it's like,

Everything that has happened in my life is as a result. If I'd gone in there, like, you know, medicated in the corner, like, not talking, then I wouldn't be sitting here doing this. I think that's such a good answer because I relate to that where, like, I started my show and I was...

10 times crazier, saying shit that probably, like, maybe wasn't at the time. Now I look back. I'm like, I would never fucking say that now. Like, I don't know if I would say that about a guy or a girl now, but I think it's like, that's growth, right? And people are like, no, like, you can't change. I'm not saying I changed.

I had just grown and I had a different outlook on the way I was when I was younger. And there's different reasons why you did what you did on that show. And if you went in there, you still be loud and rowdy, but you wouldn't maybe come off in certain ways like you did in the past because you don't have that baggage of those men fucking you over like you did when you were going in.

Congratulations of the new docu series getting filthy rich. Yeah. First of all, I just have to ask you, like, how does that even feel? Like, I'm already having massive imposter syndrome, even being here with you. But that's just tipped me over the edge. I now feel like I'm sitting in someone else.

No, no, own it because you're a boss. Like, it's incredible. So I want to just explain I got an advanced copy of the first episode. And so to anyone listening, this show follows Olivia on her journey as she participates in various ways people use their body to make money on the internet. In the episode I saw, Olivia dives into the world of only fans.

She creates a profile and interviews a number of content creators to see what really goes on behind the scenes with people making money on OnlyFans. Okay. Let's check ourselves. How do we look? Okay. Had you ever considered doing OnlyFans prior to creating the series?

Um, not in a serious way. I think I'd thought about it because I had heard this thing, people get saying to me, oh, you should be like, how did this photos that you pose? You should, you could make loads of money on your fans. Keep hearing that again and again and again. So I was intrigued thinking, is it as easy as that? Right? So that was more, I think, you know, I think

Take me back pre-love Island like you know grid go Olivia. She probably would have done only fans Do you know what I mean? But me right now where I was I was more just intrigued. It's simple as right sounds It sounds way too good to be true totally is is only fans work started it for you or like what how did the show come about for you? I think we were you know, I was really looking to get into like docu series world and

Obviously, being from reality TV, you can be obviously put in a box and I'm happy with that box. I actually love reality TV and I've got no desire to be like, it's the worst thing and get me out that box. But I was interested. I feel like, you know, on a good day when I'm sober, I've got a quite decent brain. I can articulate myself to a certain degree. So I thought I definitely had more to bring to the table. So yeah, we were talking with different networks, different ideas. And when this one came up, I thought that's a really good fit and I'm genuinely

fascinating. So it's going to be like, you know, exploring that area is going to be a genuine interest. Absolutely. And I feel like in, I know I only saw the first episode, but like it translates. Like I was talking about it with my team and we were like, this is exactly what you were meant to do in terms of like, I don't know many people that could have

handled it as gracefully and respectfully, but also made it so fun as you because it is like a sensitive topic and definitely another woman needs to be in that room, but also someone that's like willing to see both sides and be a part of the experience. I thought it was really cool. So you get on OnlyFans in episode one. What was the most difficult aspect of being on OnlyFans?

The 24-hour aspect of it, like I didn't, I really thought it was something where the way it was sold to me, you know, from people I spoke to was, you make the profile, you stick the pictures on and the money just comes in. That's not how you make money. The money's made in the DMs, like the constant communication. It's like the girls that are making the big money, they are on the site 24 hours a day.

You know, talking to these people, when you don't respond, because they've paid to be on your page, they just hound you, like, question mark, question mark, like, you're like, where are you, like, you know, I was like, quite taken back by that at first. I was also because, again, I think that's why I loved how you're peeling this layer back of like, everyone listening, if you don't have only fans. We all kind of have this idea in our head, right, of like, you're right, the girl has the profile, she posts some photos, she gets money.

And in this episode, it was so fascinating and everyone needs to go watch it because it really gives this inside look of how hard these women are working. Like when you were like, wait, so what would happen if a guy is going to pay you like $1,000 to sex him and you're out? And she was like, I would go to the bathroom.

And I was like, oh shit, it never stops. And I could see you were kind of like, wait, this is giving me anxiety, having this many messages on my phone. And these people kind of thinking they have a claim over me of like, hi, you owe me something. Did you feel empowered while on OnlyFans? I don't think I did because I had the account obviously for documentary purposes. So it was my own, but I also

I couldn't take like ownership over because I was trying to find that line of like, you know, I'm using it and I'm seeing how it works to do, you know, justice to this show. But also it's not mine in the sense where I'm going to engage in like, you're not going to send news out because they'd be out there forever. So it was hard for me to, you know, land in a place where it felt like I was in control, I guess, because

You know, these people subscribe. They want nudity. They don't want bikini pictures. That's the biggest myth, I think. I think if you're already famous, whatever, you can monetize your bikini underwear pictures for a certain amount of time, a limited amount of time, and then you're going to have to do more. Or it's just going to die out, or you're going to be earning not enough to live off.

I think that's also insightful because I feel like I've heard a lot of people like, oh, I'm just going to post some of my bikini photos on there. And no one really talks about how it lasts for two seconds. And then people get annoyed. It's like, we'll take your top off. And there's a lot of it feels like pressure on the site that I don't think a lot of women are prepared for. 100%. I think the temptation is crazy. The DMs that coming through,

you know 500 quid for it's a picture of your nipples and it's like if you were in a situation where you need 500 quid like how easy would it be just and I think there's a disconnect isn't there between doing something in real life and doing it with your phone well you could just do it and send it and there's the money but then it's like it's gone and you can never bring it back and I think

And I, you know, I, it sounds like I said that with judgment because I have, you know, you can see what I had no judgment, but I think the danger is, I think for some girls, it's absolutely great. And they kill it and that, you know, every, every downside of it, like the preconceived notions that like, you know, they're a whore or they're promiscuous. They, it's water for ducks back, but for a lot of girls, they can't like, and they find themselves in these on this site.

And they weren't expecting the pressure and they maybe succumbed to pressure that they weren't going to, they go in there saying, I'm going to do X, Y, Z, and they end up doing more. And then that feeling of regret and shame. And I think that's sad. Totally. I felt like in the episode, you did a really good job of meeting with a multitude of people showing the difference. There were some people in this episode that had such a niche way about going about it, whether it was

the fitness woman that was doing fitness and then sometimes naked while doing fitness and it's like she kind of had her angle and she felt I think it appeared empowered because she was doing something she loves which is working out and then just monetizing the hell out of it. Then there were some other girls that were kind of like I started and I just kind of started like with just underwear pictures and then it starts where what is the boundary and they've crossed it for themselves and then I'm sure it feels like there's no going back.

Yeah. Did you feel like when you were around all these women, did you feel like they appeared to be empowered by what they were doing? I think it was...

a mix to be honest. I think some very much yes and some not so much. Like, you know, I always, it's my thing when I went back to the grid girl thing. It's like the whole feminist argument. It's like, who is anyone else to say what empowers someone? If someone's telling me this makes me feel as an empowered woman, more power to you. Like, get it. Like 100%. But I think there was some that I met with and definitely over the other films, like, you know, the porn episode and

sugar babies. Again, I meet both sides. I meet people that I can see are really struggling with that lifestyle choice and others that are thriving. So I think it's just, it's not for everyone. And the thing that was going into it in the whole year, it's like a cheeky title at how to get filthy rich. But the idea was to see like, is it actually that easy? Because we all do it. I do that thing where I'm like, I'm doing something like, I'm just going to quit and do any fans and do something easy.

And then you realize, oh shit, it's not easy. Which I think is great, especially for women that this show is coming out because I do think it's going to put a stop to that comment because I so agree with you people are like, oh fuck this, I'm gonna quit my day job and go do only fans. And it's like, I don't think people understand the gravity of that comment because of how much not only goes into it actually physically, but also mentally seeing these women. There's just like a lot behind it that I think is a great job of capturing.

It's for me, it's like every job right you do in the world has like this added tax, right? So if you're, you know, what I do, I'm just showing every part of my life has attacked you Instagram, it has an emotional tax, it makes you feel sometimes I feel judged, I feel stressed or

you work in the city and you're there, like, you know, six days a week, ten o'clock at night, you don't see your kids, that's attacked. So does this, like, this is not, does not come without the down side, you know, like the judgment. And I think, you know, these sites and, you know, you're seeing in cam girls episode as well. It's like the, the, it is a hiding place for men as well to like express some pretty weird shit. Like, and these girls have to read this stuff, hear this stuff,

with no one to really help them like break down with the terrible things they've either said to them or they asked them to do. Right. And some of the things that I heard were just absolutely like shocking. Like, you know, the fact they have to read these messages and then just get on with their day. And how does that then affect their relationship with, you know, other straight men in their lives? Because what I think is so interesting is whole online sexual economy debate.

We're all so focused on the girls, like the girls who are doing only fans. Like, oh my God, they're the worst. But it's our dads, brothers, colleagues who are buying the shit. No one's worried about them. They're the ones asking for them to do XY, to stick this up your ass. But they're not like these

Mythical creatures that come up from the service. They are the men in our lives. I love how you're saying that as much as it may pain people, you're right. It's like, it's your dad. It's your brother. Because the man doing it is someone's son, is someone's dad, is someone's husband. You know what I mean? But we don't have a problem with them. We have a problem with the girls providing the content. But we're talking about millions of pounds a year.

This isn't like a niche. This is like the majority of men. No. The majority. It's really interesting. Talking about cam girls, I was interested because I obviously haven't seen the episode, but can you explain what a cam girl is and how it's different from participating on OnlyFans?

So for me, when we were sitting down going to make the show and we talked about what the different episodes would be, I was like, Cameron Girls, I think, I don't know if you have it in the States, like, baby station, you know, the TV, you know, the channel where they got the phone and I was like, is that even a thing anymore? It felt very 90s, like, it's the kind of thing that I would flick on to when I was younger and like, tell you and be like, oh my God, right? So, but it turns out it's still like,

big money industry. And this is like, you know, we went, I spent 24 hours at a studio where it's on the phones, but it's also like webcam. So they kind of like, they log on and they pay to be on like the stream and the girls there. And then they can call the phone and the girl will take the phone.

So it's like they can either do it from their home or in the studio, but it's contained to like the site. Do you know what I mean? Did you find that most of those women have only fans or no? A lot. Yeah. Not all, but most because it's just a no brainer, but a lot of the girls who work in the site, they maybe have only fans and they just like kind of dip their toe in it because they do the calming because they like the fact that they

log on for like a camming shift for like five, six hours. And then they go and they leave and it's done where it's like, only fans never leaves you alone. It's constantly, you know, it's on your phone. You never get a break. So they find like doing the camming or going to a studio and being a cam girl. It's like that's work. And then literally like,

clock off, go home and they've got kids and normal lives and husbands and they just leave that and then the next day they go back and they go back to work. That makes sense because the OnlyFans episode really, like again, you guys have to go watch it because you feel how it's an every day, every minute of your life thing where now I'm now understanding. So I'm like, why would a girl do cam growing if it's OnlyFans? You can do it from home. There is a boundary. Yeah.

do you know like which cam girls obviously we haven't seen the episode yet but like the idea of it like who would make the most money like what kind of version of camming in what sense like is there are there different things that girls do that you can make like a different tier in camming like it's inside one thing across all episodes you'll see it's like this and I really want to sit down like with a clinical psychologist and

pick this apart because it has to be a reason. Yep. This feet thing, right? Across every single episode, there's this undercover and it's about feet. So the girls and the cameras, you're the ones who are like great at the feet chat, who can like dangle the celletto on their big toe, like do all the...

They kill it, because literally six out of 10 calls will be about fate. What the fuck is up with men and feet? I don't know, but I need to get to both of them. I do too. We should honestly call this like, I'm a therapist right now. I'd be like, hi, what the fuck is up? That has to be like some connection, something like Freudian nightmare, because this all the way through. Okay, you talk about sugar babies. What was the biggest misconception you had about sugar babies?

that it's always an exchange maybe for sex for money. And I met girls, you know, and people might roll their eyes and say, oh, bullshit. No, these girls are like honest with me. Like, there is arrangements where it's not sexual, it's just dinner. Like, or it's just company or it's some of them, it's not even in person, it's just talking. And he might, you know, pin them like 500 quid or whatever. Right. So I thought,

Who the hell is going to give someone money? Do you know what I mean? For nothing, basically. Oh yeah, I've heard of people also like I had a friend that did it and it was just to go to dinner and just to basically be his date. And I'm like, eventually is it going to progress to sex?

Eventually they they do kind of ask I think but like for a while you can kind of stay in that gray zone Which again kind of reminds me of the only fans thing. Yeah, you can stay in this gray zone for a little bit of like I'm comfortable with this And then someone's gonna ask and then you have to know like how to set that boundary for your hundred percent And I think one of the girls I've met she you know She had this arrangement with a guy for like three four years, you know She's never had sex with him and she said it's all about

you approach like from day one you set that you is the way you approach the situation that you approach that guy and you let him know that and I think that's you know we experience age everything comes into it so if only fans I think you know you have to be a very strong person to let this is my boundaries and I'm not going to move whereas I think if you approached it and you're not really sure what you're gonna your angle is and it's easier for someone to maybe coerce you totally because you don't even know yourself but I think

What did you find is the hardest thing about being a sugar baby? I think maybe just living in that limbo land, you know, it's like you don't have a boyfriend,

But you're not single and they essentially they are the one handing out the money. So you have to kind of, you know, I guess, I mean, it depends how much money we're talking. You know, a lot of the girls, it's like half of them to have a normal job and be a sugar baby because some of these guys want them with them all the time and then.

You know, I think some of the girls I spoke to, it's like, it's great if you've got a great thing going, but if he just like drops you like that, you can go from living this like unreal life. So that's where it's like being smart, like, you know, getting the allowance, banking the money, where I was like, I think if you're younger and just like living life and spending, and then he's just like, oh, bye.

You could be like, ah, I can't afford my apartment, I can't afford my car. It's a very fine line of thriving and succeeding and using the system and doing your thing with it. But you have to know, this takes way more work than we give these women credit for. They are straight up hustlers. The girls that do it right, it's just awful at the peak. It's like,

any relationship when you're young or like, you know, you're not thinking straight, you don't set your boundaries with a standard. So that means the standards and the bet there's, there's just all a mess. Like, so it's like anything you have to go in and be like, this is what it is. This is what I want from you. This is what I'm going to give you.

We need someone that's done this to create a crash course, which I kind of think you're in a way. This is the beginning of it because by you peeling this layer back, it's giving people kind of that introduction of what the world will be if you're interested in it. And I think for a while, there hasn't been that. So women are just blindly going into it because they just have money on the mind, which I so get, who doesn't. But there's no idea of how far it's going to go and what's going to happen.

Because I think what I love about this show is that it's like an immersive documentary, but it has heart and it has humor and we're not coming up from an angle. Whereas I think other shows that have looked at these subjects are coming from like a slightly judgmental. It feels kind of like seedy. I don't think there's anything wrong with, you know, dating someone for like financial gain or

you know, life experience or, you know, whatever it may be for travel, like, what the hell, you know, if you're two consenting adults, you're not hurting anyone. What does it matter? But I think that you say that young girls need to, and I think this is what this show is nice because it's very balanced. We're not glorifying anything. The girls are really honest. They're like, I make, you know, Bonnie, she's like, I'm making 250 grand a month, my best month, but

It's a heavy load to carry. Like it's not just as easy as that, you know, totally. I know I haven't watched it yet and we're all going to see it, but you also experienced the porn hub world. What was your approach for that episode? Were you nervous? I was excited. I was excited. I was like, I actually think I say in the beginning of episodes, like I've only seen one penis for the last couple of years. I was like, let's see it. So I was excited to like see some willies and like,

just be amongst it. And also just as someone that's like, you know, everyone's watched porn, but to actually see how it's made. Yeah, how is that light? Like sure. I mean, obviously I went to an orgy one time. I'm like giggling because it's, you know, when it's right there in the flesh, but it's just, it's also different to how you imagine it to be. Like the, I learned like the come shot, you know, like on the thumbnails on the website, that's like Gaviscont. Do you have Gaviscont? It's like a

like heartburn medication, they just throw it over the girl's face, not even semen, stop. I swear, at the beginning of the shoot, they'll sit there where they pour like this heartburn medication or something like goopy and they position it all perfectly and they do all the photos. Yeah, because I was thinking like, actually, when you think about it now, it makes sense because like who has like that much semen and also the positioning of it's always like perfect, then they wipe it all off, then they do like, then they'll do still shots,

then they'll plan out like you're gonna be there doing doggy. It's just mental. It's full production. Full production. Which I think is nice to hear and I'm glad that you're kind of like breaking down that wall again because I know when I was like I'm gonna get a facial from the sky's penis and he's gonna go all over my face and I remember the first time it happened and it went right in my eye and I fully was like blackout like couldn't see like was just like fucked for the rest of the week and I'm like wait why does it look like this on porn because it doesn't actually fucking happen. That doesn't happen like that.

What, why are people do you think still shooting for porn sites if only fans exist? We had this kind of, that was like a question that went throughout that film and ultimately is there is still a demand for high production value porn. People still like it. You know, only fans I think is like you're impersonating intimacy. You know, it's like intimate thing. The back and forth, the messages, you know, giving someone that like personalized experience, whereas porn is much more,

you know, a fantasy, it's costumes, it might be in a style that someone, you know, like they do the sci-fi shit and whatever, like it's a different, it's a completely different thing. But are women in porn not making as much? Oh, sorry, you meant the actors. No, no, that was actually a couple too, yeah. So a lot of them are doing both now. But the thing is with the bigger porn stars, they might have like really big contracts with like a Brazos or, you know, digital playground or something.

And they're like on really good money. And I think some of them have like no only fans policy, you know, if you like, you have that contract. I know obviously that the money you can earn is a lot more in the States than it is in, you know, the UK in terms of porn and stuff. But yeah, the bigger porn stars, I think they stick to their like, it's like a trade, isn't it? Like, you know, there's a skill they've, you know, and they have, they make really good money. So all they have to do is go and maybe shoot two films a week.

and get like the big check whereas what they'd have to do in OnlyFans to make the same would be way more laborious. In your episodes and through your experience, like did you find any women struggling with knowing if they wanted to stay in porn or not? I met a girl who was, a girl Alex who was, she'd done OnlyFans and she was wanting to move into porn.

And she, to me, was someone who seemed really unsure. It filled me with a lot of anxiety after I met her, actually. And she went and she did a hand job video, whatever, and she hated it. And then she realized it wasn't for her. And I was like, thank God that you did that and not something else. So you could make that decision. I spoke to the girls who were regular pawns. I spoke to a lot of the really professional shoots they will have.

a check sheet at the beginning, so they'll go through it, the stars, it'll be like anal tech or strangling, she could be like, no, don't expect. And they exit and tick everything that's like a yes or a no. And then that's like the print, like no one strays from that. She said, don't touch my assholes or he can't or vice, do you know what I mean? But then she said she'll go to shoots where they don't do the checklist and it's just a bit of a free for all. I think there is risk involved. I think that's where OnlyFans as well is appealing to a lot of sex workers because

You know, it takes away about that risk, doesn't it, of having to interact with other people? Absolutely. Yeah. Which episode was your favorite to create and why?

I'm going to surprise everyone this I think but Camgirls I think is my favourite episode. Purely just, it's a really hard one because they love them all, it's like my babies but Camgirls, the girls I met were just, I really, I don't know, I just connected with them. It was just so much heart and they were so open with me and it was such a diverse kind of range of girls who like

goes to the studio, do this job, which is just so crazy to a lot of us. And then they go home and their mothers, or they've got other jobs, and it's just like, there's so much more than what people would pigeonhole them as. And I just loved it. I loved being at the studio. I loved being with the girls. What was the studio like?

Just are they in a room by themselves? It's like this big studio and it's like section down all the way. It's open right and each booth is like different colours or different themes and the girls are all in there on the phone and the webcam and so when you're on an evening when I was in there it's just a room of like sex noises.

dirty talk like all competing over each other but they say like they can hear each other a bit but it's not that loud but to me it was like how can you even think straight because it's like literally I'm talking like you know like when you go to a photoshoot these those polystyrene yes that's what's separating each thing

And it was my head, when I left that night, it was like spinning. I was like, just listening to everything. The phone's ringing. I answered the phone's this guy and he's like, panting down the phone. And I was like, this is... Did you talk to someone? Yeah, I was like, giving him all the chat and then I just couldn't. We give us a little preview. I was like, hey, baby.

You horny. And then the guy, I don't know why I'm doing American accent. That's just what came out. I feel like if you're gonna do a porn voice, it has to be American. Wait, really? Yes! And like, I didn't think about that. Because I just feel like most porn you watch is... Give me your best American. Hey baby, are you horny? Do you wanna fall off? What's that not? Like, hey daddy. Hey daddy gang.

Yeah, we're like getting so nasty, like daddy gang. That's really interesting too. Did you find a lot of these women in the cam world were like friends or did was it kind of like, do you want to get out of there? I think that's why I like, that's why I kind of got emotionally involved with that place because they were like, it's like a bit of a sorority vibe. Like they was all like, and what made me feel nice is that in the thing which I think makes doing only fans or coming from home really hard.

If they got a call and some guy asked them to do some terrible thing, you know, if people call up and ask that disturbing things, like, will you pretend to be like my sister or my mom and I'm going to rape you? It's just horrendous. And they have to like mentally like process the fact that that is actually being out there in the world having these thoughts. They then have each other to lean on. They can be like, I just had this call and they all can relate. Whereas, you know, other girls who are doing OnlyFans and maybe their other girlfriends aren't doing OnlyFans,

If they bring their friend, he works as a dental hygienist. I'm like, sometimes it's awesome. He's sticking my control up my ass. She's going to be like, can't relate. She's a word, babe. She's got to go to a meeting. I can't help you. Whereas I think for them, it's like being around other girls who are doing the same thing and they can overlay to each other. That's amazing. And I think it's just cool to hear that because I can imagine at times the OnlyFans world can be a bit isolating and lonely because the perks of shooting at home sure are great. But then being alone, you're like, what the fuck?

And it's all about the numbers, and it can be quite competitive, I think, and obsessing over, yeah, totally. So you really immerse yourself in each of these episodes. Was there ever a specific moment where you felt uncomfortable? Joan, it is. It was hard for me. It's like, I'm open. I'm pretty liberal. Like, you know,

this it's hard because the stuff that I would do if I wasn't like live from love island because I'm I was trying to always walk the line of like I want to do this documentary I want to be immersive want to get my hands dirty but I also want people to like not get confused I don't want this to become about me so if I you know I was thinking I only fans I want to post something more sexy to like see how that

But then I'm thinking, the only thing that will happen is then that fight with me will just get pulled out of there, put in British tabloids out of context and then it's not going to become about what it's about. So it was me trying to be really immersive without going to a point where people get distracted and they're just worried about what I'm doing. Oh my God, she's got a kit off. I'm sure the show comes out, you know, there's going to be, you know, I do the sex call and whatever and people are going to, you know, I was an extra in a porno and all this shit.

And I love that, but it's like, yeah, it was just trying to find the right. Right. We in the porno, do you get naked? No. Okay. You see, I maybe would have like got, yeah, wouldn't have like went topless or something. But yeah, I don't know if it can't for who I am now. Yeah, because it would have been people would have been like, oh, you know, she's just.

And again, it's almost like the whole thing I'm doing is documentary and I'm wanting to break down these walls of stigma and the way we pigeonhole women. And then I'm there. It was like a head fucker. I'm like, well, I can't go in my underwear too many times. And people would be like, well, she's not really a presenter because she's constantly naked. So it's like, and I'm feeling the same.

So they go in like so interesting. It's like a matrix. Yeah, I, when I was watching episode one and with the only fans, there were, when two of the girls were shooting on the side, you made a comment and you're like, oh my God, I have this like, I'm feeling like this maternal instinct towards these girls. What, why did you feel that? I think, I know the senior talk about it. Just those two girls were so young and they, you know, I don't want to sound patronizing. They pre like with thing, fuck off, we're fine.

like my dream business grandma like do you know what i mean when i was there age i had been thinking on literally making money but i just think i just look i saw especially more in one and the other i was like i just reminded me that's her age and i was so like ambitious and i reckless and she might be way more mature than i am and she might do this for the next 10 years and smash it and i hope that is the case but you know when someone's a lot younger than you as a girl and i just looked to her i was like i just i just felt

She was talking and reading out some messages she'd have from guys that were pretty hardcore, like really emotionless. And I just thought, I hope that you're okay. I mean, I just, and that sounds really fucking patronizing, but that's me being really honest of how I felt in that moment. I'm not, you know, I appreciate that. And no judgment. I just, it's like more like a big sister feeling. I want it to be like, yes.

I mean, I felt it while watching it because I was like, oh my God, like I just want to make sure because there maybe aren't guidelines of when that one girl mentioned like this guy like sent me my address and said I know where he lives. I was like, yeah, when it comes to safety of these women, that's where I get really nervous. And I think that's something that's not talked about enough.

Sure, we can glamorize all of it that the media does but like this show is helping because you're hearing From their mouth. Yeah other people that gossip of like what their day-to-day Is like taking out the shadows like if your friend wants have a sugar daddy Fine, but she needs to feel like she can tell you and where she's going rather than soaking off like into the darkness I'm not telling and putting himself in danger judge. Yes if they feel like

safe and it's accepted. They can tell they're like, I want to drop my pin. You can check that, you know, I'm safe because it's like a murky world. It is. Which of the four ways selling essentially your body on the internet seemed like the healthiest and safest option? God, that's really hard because I feel like it's just down to the individual.

Some people, you know, being a sugar baby just wouldn't work. Whereas, you know, other people being, I couldn't spend much time on my phone. I hate how much time I spend on my phone as it is, like doing Instagram and stuff, but I could not be that logged into a website, you know.

Yeah, I think it's person to person. Yeah, that's interesting because it's like if you are a super outgoing person, maybe the sugar baby situation is more for your personality. Yeah. Whereas maybe if you're like more introverted or whatever, like maybe only fans or that could not be the case. Like everyone's going to feel differently. If you want to be out and you want to travel and you want to be social, like being a sugar baby would be great. Oh, you know, vice versa. So I think yeah.

Okay, so now we're like wrapping up, like having this conversation, I really appreciate this series and what you're doing to kind of conclude in this conversation though, like what advice would you give to women after experiencing and watching all of this that are interested in getting into either caming or only fans or porn or sugar, maybe.

as hard as it is like to block out the outside noise of like what other people think you should be doing. Cause I always think when people say always something bad, like does it feel bad? If it makes you feel good, go for it. But think, think about it. Like don't like just sleep on it a little bit and also going into any of those areas of work as hard as it may be to sticks them. I think try and go in with like your boundaries. This is what I'm going to do. You know, I always think you're with only fans that run the massive issues is like the content leaking.

if something, which unfortunately at the moment, the leaking is such a problem, whatever you post, nine times out of 10 will be leaked. So if you would just die, if that was out and your family and friends saw it, then maybe you don't post there. If you couldn't own it, then do it. I think it's just like, yeah, having your boundaries and what you can be happy with. I love that because I feel like

even just the first episode I was so interested in listening and really learning from it and there's so many great things that I can't even imagine the rest of the series like every single person listening we have to go watch it when it comes out because I feel like

the boundary thing you're right, that is it. It's like watching these girls starting on only fans. And the girls were like, I started posting this photo. But then when you, you're so right when you earlier said like, when someone offers you so much money to just quickly take a picture of your tits and your phone is in front of you, you never have to like interact and see the man. It's like, it's a fake world almost in your mind. So you really have to keep in mind of like, what did I come into this believing in for myself is right and how I'm going to be

to sleep at night feeling good and I appreciate you saying that you're right like nine times out of ten these photos will be on the internet and if you are okay with that thrive yeah but just know that line because yeah I don't think enough people talk about that no you know what I mean and I think you're right and I think it's you know it's it's not about glorifying it or or condemning it it's just being real

Like, yeah, like we're not here to judge. Yeah, we're not saying like everyone go sign up today. Like it's like it's happening in the world. So we need to talk about it, especially because it's mostly women. But it's also like let's just have an honest conversation about it. It's like I would say, you know, about reality TV even people is so easy if it was to condemn it. It's like

No one's got a gun to anyone's head right so if you go into it with your eyes open so if you are willing to go you know onto a TV show and expose yourself to the world or think about it like do you sleep on it and think of the pros and the cons make a list

I mean, it's easy for me, so I'm really impulsive. I literally make all my decisions like that. But I mean, yeah, it'd be a nice idea to weigh everything out totally. And I think, and then I have one last question, but I do think it was really cool, because I was thinking about it when I was watching that first episode, and I was like, I feel like

a really also good way for women before getting into it would be reaching out to some creators and being like, hey, I know you have no idea who I am. I'm thinking of starting an OnlyFans. Do you have like five minutes of your time to just chat because your show- I just forgot one area that really freaks me out. It's the referral thing.

Other content creators, if they can get someone to sign up, they get like a bonus. So that was one area that I was a bit like, oh, like, so I think, yeah, if you think someone you trust, but I do think there's a bit of a, like a thing where like girls are recruiting other girls. It's like an ulterior motive. Yeah. So that's the only thing is they give that girl or boy, right? This boy is like,

like a bonus if they get signed up. So I think, yes, you just have to be really savvy. Okay, so definitely don't reach out to anyone, never mind. Just literally watch Lib's new show because you're breaking it down in everyone has a different perspective. Last question. Okay. What was your biggest takeaway from creating this series?

I think I touched it briefly. It's just the interesting that we live in this well where all the obsession is on the women creating the content, but no one's talking about the people buying it. The reason only fans is what it is is because all the men in our society are the demand. And not there's anything wrong with that, but I just think it's interesting. We're never looking at the people asking for

you know, whatever it is. We're always looking at the people providing it and, you know, and shaming them and looking down on them. But we don't worry about the fact that it's probably Bob from Next Door. Like he's the one asking for the feet video. Do you know what I mean? I just think we've got a long way to go to move that. The sexism and the stigma. I think, you know, I hope shows like this will break down boundaries and

You know, it kind of humanizes these girls. I think it's very easy to dehumanize people that work in the sex industry. And I think the online sexual economy is even more dehumanizing because we just see them as like robots online. But these are real people with real lives, with families, with partners.

whatever. And they should be treated like that. I think that this show truly is breaking down a barrier of like showing the behind the scenes. And exactly what you said, we are all of us are essentially dehumanized because of social media in the world we live in. And this show is like, no, let's humanize these people. Let's go into their bedrooms. Let's see their lives. Let's see the cars they drive. Let's watch them through day to day. And it's, I think it's amazing.

Daddy gang, you need to go watch. It is going to be amazing. I love you. I'm so honored you're here. This was so fun. Thank you so much. Amazing. Thank you for having me.

the amount of things that are set on Love Island, that as someone from the United States, I had to Google furiously, because I'm like, what is she saying? He's a melt, what does a melt mean, what is happening, what is going on? I'm googling like a freak, and I just was obsessed. I started speaking in the accent, then it was awful, then I did move on, but I need to go through some of these terms and ask you to explain them for me. I probably'm not done with the kids enough to actually get things done. No, no, no. You can start with, okay. What the fuck does a melt mean?

A melt, like, so a drip, do you say that in the States? Like, just like, normally if you say it about a guy, or go, it's got no backbone, they're just a drip, just like a wet rag, right? Yeah, yeah, yeah. I feel like we would say like, like a pushover, like a week. Yeah, or maybe it's, it can be a guy or a girl, but a lot of pit times people will say it about a boy, you know, when they start to like a girl and they go soft, they go, oh, he's a melt, like, yeah, yeah, yeah. It's that, you know, toxic masculinity thing, I've been like, if you're nice to a girl, you're a melt, if that's what it is, right? Okay, that makes sense.

Okay, what about he pied me off? Like ghosted, like just... Okay, done. But you guys say pied instead of ghosted. Well, we say ghosted, but pied is like... He ended it. He broke up. Just broke up, yeah. Got it. Okay, mugged off. The similar thing, like, mugged up would be more just like...

Yeah, a guy just kind of tosses you to the side, like with not much explanation. And if you were saying someone's attractive, you guys would say... He's fit. Yeah. I love that. And it has no, like, relation to their physical... Like, what would you call someone if you're like, oh, he's fucked a lot of girls?

Shaka, Shaka. Okay, we would say I guess. I'm trying to do the accent. It came out so bad. It's like a mix between like, Australian and like, it's awful. Okay, so we would probably say like, he's a player or like, a man whore. Yeah, we say fuck boy. But yeah, we say fuck boy. Yeah, we say fuck boy. Yeah, we say fuck boy. Yeah, we say fuck boy. Yeah, we say fuck boy. Yeah, we say fuck boy. Yeah, we say fuck boy. Yeah, we say fuck boy. Yeah, we say fuck boy. Yeah, we say fuck boy. Yeah, we say fuck boy. Yeah, we say fuck boy. Yeah, we say fuck boy. Yeah, we say fuck boy. Yeah, we say fuck boy. Yeah, we say fuck boy. Yeah, we say fuck boy. Yeah, we say fuck boy. Yeah, we say fuck boy. Yeah, we say fuck boy. Yeah, we say fuck boy. Yeah, we say fuck

Okay, what does that mean? Cracking on would normally mean like you meet a girl, you've exchanged a number, you're going on tight, you're cracking on, you're just like you. Yeah, we would say like vibing. Yeah, got it. Okay, what is grafting?

You know, I can't think of what the American time would be, but like working a girl, like you have DMing you, asking you out, he's putting the work, he's got the hard hat on, the boots, the shovel, like he is- He's in it, he's doing everything. Like, do you see that as a negative kind of? No, like they have to- Oh, like he's putting in work. Yeah, like they need to graph, like for sure. Because I remember in the show it was like, oh, he's really grafting, or he's grafting, he's grafting. Grafting, grafting.

on grafting, if you don't know, grafting. We're grafting. Okay, that makes a lot of sense because it was so fun. I think that's also why I enjoyed it because I was like learning so much about the term. Yeah, it was education mixed with the little psychotic behavior and it made for great debate.