My Final Showdown With the Dogman! - Dogman Encounters Episode 559

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Hey everyone, thanks so much for joining us for this special Saturday night episode of the show. I really appreciate you being here. If you listen to episodes 528 and 542, you'll listen to Cam come on and talk about one of the most traumatic, most extreme dog man encounters that I think has ever been shared on the show.

Of course, that's the encounter where his 100 plus pound white American bulldog saved his life from a dog man that I believe had every intention on taking Cam's life. Well, his heroic American bulldog laid down his life, of course, to save Cam's. And after he told us about that experience, he had another encounter. That's why he came back for episode 542 to chronicle that.

Well, unfortunately there have been other developments, or in some ways fortunately I could say, there have been other developments and experiences that he's had, that he's come back for tonight's show to catch you up on, to bring you up to speed. Without any further ado, let's get Kim in here now. Kim, thanks so much for coming back.

Well, thanks so much for being here. We really appreciate it. And of course, thanks for talking about something that obviously isn't very easy to talk about at all. We really do appreciate you coming back to do that. Yeah. Yeah, man. It's a, it's just not a problem. It's not a problem to talk about anymore. You know, it's, I mean, it's never this dark times, you know, but it's,

It is what it is now. It's not a problem at all. Yeah, they had to be very dark times and understandably so. Cam, for the listeners who missed episodes 528 and 542, please tell them about yourself. My name is Cam. I'm from Mississippi. I'm a father, dog lover.

I love to hunt and fish. I have a small number of good friends who I do that with. And that's really all that I do outside of being home all the time, my homebody outside of those things. I guess the first time Vic and I ever talked or did this show,

I gave the story of how me and my buddy Tyler went out to thin the cavity population of my grandparents place where there had been some weird goings on. There's end the neighbors houses across the street. I lost my dog that night.

We had a dogman run up on us, which is not something that anybody, any normal person is ever expecting to encounter. That doesn't happen to people, unless you're me, I guess.

Now we shot at this thing, and I guess it took it upon itself to, I say I guess, I know where, but I know very well it took it upon itself to get back at us and to, you know, cause harm to us. And we have run it with this thing on my grandparent's place, and we think we've run it off. Tower and I both shoot it. We gather ourselves and my dog.

And we make it almost back to my truck. And this thing blind sides us from out of the out of the tree line behind this old chicken coop that my grandpa was, you know, moved all the chickens out of. And not me out, man, not me out in the process of trying to get it all of us. And while I was, of course, you know, unconscious, but Tyler was well awake. And he said that it was on me, man, he couldn't have stopped it. He couldn't, he couldn't have got to a gun. There was nothing he could have done. Man, if it wasn't for Dallas, I'd be, I'd be dead. And, uh,

And that thing killed my dog and it would have killed me had he not been there. And then, you know, I made this foolish or rational on the spot decision to, I don't know what I decided to do. I didn't have a gun, I knocked my gun out of my hand and I was still half days from being knocked out and

I had a hold of my dog, so I charged him, man. I wouldn't have been able to do anything, but at the time, it didn't really matter. Tyler, at some point, had found my gun, fired a couple rounds into this thing, and it runs. It's gone, ran away, left my dog laying there dead, and I had to go tell my grandparents that I'd never heard Dogman before. This was a werewolf. It was out of a movie, and I had to tell my grandparents about it.

And it broke in my arm. I broke my own hand. And Tyler stopped me from getting my gun. Once I'd passed out at some point from, I guess, an adrenaline dump and pain. And Tyler talked sense into me because I was going to go up in the woods looking for it with a pistol. Like that would have been a good idea. And it was a long time for I saw that thing again. I mean, it was

It was shy of a year, for sure, but men. And the next time I saw it, I was completely alone. I was up in a deer stand, I decided to go and spread corn, move my deer stand. I brought my daughters out there, not out to the woods, but to my grandfather's house. I follow him to the house, I walk them in. My grandfather's aware, so his head's on a swivel. Everybody's being as safe as we can be. My kids can't just not see my grandparents.

I decided to go spread corn and, you know, you just got to act like things normally can't let something control your life. So I went to spread my corn and move my deer stand. And this thing comes through the thicket on the property line, the back of our place. And, uh, I'm a, you know, 20 plus feet in a deer stand with a pistol. You know, I went on and, uh, man, it sees me. It gets after this deer, this doe in front of me and, uh,

looks like something was wrong with him and he couldn't catch her. She just, she dips, she pumped, faked him, she was gone. And then he sees me, the wind changed direction at some point and by the time that I, excuse me, by the time that I realized that it changed, it was coming from behind me and he was dead in front of me. I don't, I, I'm not sure if he would have found me or not had that not happened, but he did. He did. And, uh,

He started towards me, man. He showed me those teeth and he started towards me. And I popped a couple of shots off at him and I hit him. I might have hit him twice. I shot set five, five, five, I don't know, five to maybe eight rounds or so. I feel like I hit him twice. He reached over with a hand, grabbed himself and he looks at me and, you know, um,

in my first bit with Vic where I told him my story initially. I mean, the night this thing killed my dog, there was some kind of like a, I mean, I'm gonna call it telepathy, dude. I don't know what else to call it. But it was right before I decided to run, you know, and try to, I guess I don't know I was gonna run and try to backlit or get my dog out of his hand just out of whatever was going through my mind at the time.

It was like I didn't hear a voice. It wasn't like the voice in the back of your head. It's you, you know, like your own thoughts or anything. But there was something that told me like I'm beckoning like a challenge. Come here, boy. Come on, boy. Come here. Like to me, like it was telling me, come on, come here. You know, like, and, uh, this, the, you know, looking down at him from up in that stand, you know, has slight sense of security because I'm so high in the air. And I, and I had to jump on him. I saw him first and I had my gun out already, but, uh,

You know, there was that same, one side popped in, one side put two in him. There was that same, whatever form of communicate, whatever you want to call it. I want to call it to Lebanon. That sounds crazy. But this, you know, I guess this story that I'm telling y'all sounds crazy. You didn't know what stuff that is, what it is, but he told me, I'll get you.

Like, like, like he meant, meant it like somehow, someday, soon, I'm going to get you. And there was no doubt that that was what he meant for me to, for it meant to portray to me to get me to understand. So anyway, that was a, and he, when he turned and he ran to the trees, you know, I thought he was going to try to flank me again. Like he did the first time that night when me and Tyler had to run in with him, but he was gone. I didn't see him again. After that,

You know, I live a good way for my grandparents. And after that, I didn't see him at my place. But man, he killed both of my grandfathers, both of his dogs. He'll kill Jack and Ruby and left him laying in the backyard. And man, he destroyed that. This old rundown dilapidated barn that was, you know, it was in a payday when I was a young kid, but he had it set up with some, you know, some thick chicken wire. And they had moved all the chickens into this thing. Well, all they had left.

Man, this thing killed every one of my brother's chickens, man. Destroyed the barn, ran through a wall of the barn and tore all the chicken wire down. I mean, probably in one go, probably caught the wire and pulled it all down at one time. And, uh, she was rough. I mean, it was just rough, dude. It was absolutely rough, but this one day I'm pulling onto the road that I live on. I live off of one county road onto another one, which turned off the highway story of living in Mississippi, but we, uh,

We hadn't seen high nor hair that thing over here where I live on the hill, man. But when I pulled onto my road one day, man, I looked, because you can see there's a cleared lot to my, if you're looking from the road, it's to my left. And, you know, nobody's built anything there. It's just been cut and clear cut.

And you can see right through it up to the top of the hill, man, that, that big dark son of a gun was sitting on the top of the hill at the back of my eight acres. There's a big tree line that's like perfect for the property line. If I haven't looked at my math for, for my property in a year or so, but I'm pretty sure that tree line is the exact, exact property line. And he was standing there like he, like he knew he was on my place. Standing there like, you know, and, uh,

Man, from then on. So long story short, man, I ended up having to take my wife, my daughters, to stay with my, my pop. It was, it was my, all this stuff initially happened on my father's father's place on my, my dad's side of the family.

but I ended up sending my wife and my kids to my mom's dad up around up in Tennessee. And that was rough. That was me and my wife. I'm gonna say we almost didn't make it, man. And it was rough. So this one night, I'm here by myself.

And I hear something crazy going down in the backyard. So I'm getting torn apart. I look out the window, the laundry room, it has the door that goes to the backyard. And I look out the window, man, this thing is, I mean, my backyard isn't that wide. I mean, it's between 40 and 50 feet to the edge of where I sawed it out to. Man, this thing is over there and it is destroying my youngest little girls. It's like a little purple.

Hinking white snap together playhouse that it's got like little decorative windows on the outside Pour it to a bazillion bases man. Just destroying it just I guess just to scare me or send a message or something something man I ran back to the house I grabbed my gun and it loaded with buckshine. I keep you know, I keep it loaded with buckshot on the wall and Kate, you know Had nothing to do with him. Yes for a person really man I kicked back door open and I fired a couple shots at him and he struck out and

And he ran directly down the hill, straight through my neighbor's yard. And man, I felt a certain type of way about that, because that's what I needed to do. I mean, if you wasn't fixing it, you know, I think you should learn by now that it was not going to be tax free when it comes to me or my family or my dog or anything like that. But he was out there just having a day, destroying stuff in my backyard.

But when he ran down there, my neighbor, his name's Juan, I've gotten tight as crap with him. But he's got kids too, man. They're older than mine. But he's married, he's got a wife, he's got kids. And I felt a certain type of way about having sent that thing down through his yard. You know, what if they were outside? You know what I mean? What if they were outside and they didn't know what was going on up here or something? You know, that was really, so anyway, I decided that I was going to have to go down there and say something. I didn't know how I was going to go.

Is this, you know, it's not every day or at all that you have to tell your neighbor or anybody else like, hey, man, look, there's a, what you would probably look at and think of as a werewolf out here. It's not safe. So I go down there and knock on the door and his wife answers the door and she, she has to take a lickie. It was a big lick of English. And, um, I said, he was born here. She goes, gets one. I say, man, look, I need to explain something to you and, uh, you know,

sitting easy and not telling what's going on. And his eyes got big. Like, I mean, it was, it's kind of chilling. You know, it was like,

I didn't expect him to believe me. And not only did he seem like he believed me and frightened him, well, he turns to his wife and he's talking to her and I hear him say, what one is from Guatemala? One, one moved up here, moved to family up here. He started this great big construction company. He's a mad scientist. He builds all kinds of crazy stuff on his property. And he's, uh,

He's done really well for himself, man. But it's, you know, it's hard to understand when he speaks Spanish, because I'm not fluent in it. But I did hear as he's talking to her, he said, Hombre LaBeau, or however, you know, I don't have the accent. But, and I know that that means something like werewolf, or maybe it means dog. I don't know. But I've seen it. I've seen that caption on a picture before. I know what it is. And her eyes get big. And it turns out that she saw this thing that night.

Just as I was feeling bad for, she saw it that night when it came to the, I guess she was on the back porch and she saw it. And she was aware of it. So not very long after that, Wandson, his wife and his kids off.

And man, me and Juan got tight. We got really tight, man. We went to war with that thing up here on this hill and it was, I mean, it was the same, just the same song and dance all over again, just not every night. Not every, man, we'd go to three days with no sign of this thing sometimes, you know? And this was, man, this was sometime, I guess, around, I had spoken to Vic about that second encounter.

And this was not very long at all. I want to say this, I want to say all this started at my place within a week of me talking to babe. And I can't remember exactly what day that was, but I could look and find it anyway. So yeah, I mean, there were just, there were nights from me and one. Like I said, what, some nights.

We'd be down at his place some nights. He'd come up here and we'd always take dogs. I still have three of my dogs. I still have Dallas' girlfriend, his daughter, and this female pity that I rescued years ago. I just leave my dogs. I can't lose no more.

Man, we would stay up all night drinking whiskey, just, you know, sometimes back to back in the living room. And if not, man, we didn't ever get very far from each other to where, you know, anything crazy where to happen, which it did on several occasions. And then it was like a set of the same thing. But every time he never really changed up his tactics, except one night he slammed into the side of one's house, scared to live and crap out of us. I mean, it was,

I thought house is going to come down, man. And I couldn't tell if a tree had fallen because we, that was the first thing that I was the first sign that night. And it was, boom, here I am, you know, but that may have once been a whole, whole lot of nights, you know, liquid courage out, just just waiting to either be killed by this thing or.

You know, to run it off and we ran them off several times, man. There was one night we were down at one's house and it was just like when I shot him up here at my place for the first time, man. We kicked open that back door, hopped out on the back porch and started sending slugs into the dark, man. I was, you know, there wasn't very much of a chance there was a person outside messing with us, but had there been somebody on the property that night, they'd got shot. I mean, it was, I mean, it was rough up here on this hill for a long time, brother. It was bad. And, uh,

You know, and, you know, maintaining a sense of normal during that, like we still had to go to war, war runs a company. He's got guys, you know, he would stay home some days and let my dog stay over at his house. And, you know, I can't thank them enough, but I mean, I had to go to work, you know, I had to get up in the mornings. And sometimes I wouldn't go to sleep. I'd just be up drunk, shooting all night and go to work, you know.

And you know what, with Tyler, he's kind of pushed me out when it, you know, he had kind of pushed me out when it came to this thing. You know, it was, I, I, Tyler's got his own life, his own kids is, you know, he's married and I can't ask him to risk his life to help me. You know, he's already done it. So, uh, you know, it was just me, man, but my, my buddy, Allen was somebody, you know, I've got a good friend named Allen.

who was a medic medic in the army bad bad dude man he's really really soft spoken you know good person but he's he's hard as a coffin nail he's uh he brutally honest he says it nicely but he says it to the point you know we're we're friends for a reason he's he's the type person who can handle being friends with somebody like me who doesn't really you're good too much but uh you know this i went to him

And my wife over the phone had told me that, you know, baby, you can't spend every second of your day waiting on this thing because if you're at work, you're thinking about it, you're home, you're dealing with it. And it's, you know, we miss you. We love you. And we're, you were sorry that it's like this. And she recommended that I go see Alan and do something. So I go to Alan's house and.

We made plans to go hunting. At first he asked me, you know, I explained to him exactly what's going on and the same kind of bewildered, but he, man, he asked me like, what can I do to help? And, you know, it's not easy to explain to somebody, this isn't a situation where you can just come in and help and then leave. It's got free. You can end up marked, you know, like this is, I was clearly marked. And I really feel like I know why now I'll get into it later, but

I was clearly marked and I sure should. I mean, sure as crap. Sorry. Excuse me. Didn't want anybody that I know being in that position, especially on my account. Cause I had already brought this thing in the wands world, man. And he, you know, he didn't even do anything. He had no, it was none of his business. And the dude has never had a bad dealing towards me because of it. Anyway, um, yeah, man, I want to make plans to go, to go duck hunt and here in Mississippi, um,

which call it duck season clue after it opens for a weekend, like initially it closes down for a week, then it opens up again. So it's kind of like a second opening day, you know, most people get their jitters out on the first one. So you don't have to contend with or, you know, normally you don't have to contend with as many people to get a hunting spot. And I know a great place, man, a great place. It's, I don't say where it is, but

It's a good spot. It is beautiful. Good fish in there. There's good hunting there. It's, you know, good for that. I mean, I would make these plans. I was like, look, they don't need your help. I just, I need your help. But I just need to, I need something else other than this all the time. And, uh, I mean, let's go. Let's go. And I think what I've said to, don't judge me because it was a joke because I was like, man, let's go kill some innocent little ducks. You know, and, uh, Allen's a, he's a born and bred hunter, man. He was, he was all for it. So.

We got to this place both to fall and pack everything in. And we're four miles from the truck, like right at four miles, 4.1, something like that, from the truck at the road, long haul in.

And, uh, this place, man, there's lots of natural stuff. Like it's really thick. It's really, really thick. Like they're all the photos with their places you can stick. You don't need a blind to sit in or anything, but then somebody had built this beautiful blind. It was made. I mean, it looked like it looked like a bush.

If I had to show them a headlights on it from the floor, I wouldn't have seen it. I'd have passed by and I think it was a great big old tree that had a bush growing on it or something, which is exactly what you want. But I mean, this thing had a place to pull over into. It had a dog door, like not a flat dog door, but like a spot where your dog got and get your dogs and stuff.

Beautiful, beautiful, it's big enough like four or five people. So, you know, see that and we were and, you know, not to be judged because somebody else built that. And if they showed up out there wanting to hunt it, it's just too bad because it's on public land. It's not like you bought the material. So we had found our spot. Well, that's probably 24 and 430 for sure close to 431 made it there. We throw our decoys out and we get set up in the blind. Just, you know,

Goofin', you know, I've been friends for a long time, years and years and years, man. That's one of those friends shit, man. That's the only friend I got calls me every day. I talk to Alan every day, man, and he used to butt down me two extra times a day. I mean, I talk to him every day. And if I don't, he calls me the next day, like, hey, man, I don't know why and how we're actually just, you know, he's just a good friend. And we're sitting there just shooting it, and we see headlights coming.

I was thinking, like, this dude's fixed, come out here and tell us this is blind. Anyway, hey, lights getting close. Well, all of a sudden something runs into blind and scares the living crap out of me. It was a dog, a black lab. Well, it was a dude's dog that was on the four wheeler.

Well, I was like, I had my gun. I didn't point the gun dog go anymore at that point because I wasn't shooting like yet. But I kind of had it up like in case I needed to pop him with the butt of the shotgun or whatever. And he sat down and wagged his tails out. I'll make you friendly. Hey, buddy. I started petting him and I was looking for a tag. Well, do it on the full wheeler pulls up and he said, and he stopped and he said, Hey,

I see all in it. Is there a dog in there with y'all? See, yeah, he's right here. It's a year. They see it. We introduced himself to his name was player. This dog named the star big old big old square headed black lab big big head. No thoughts. Just my type of dog. He explained us that he did build that blind and he was nice about it. It wasn't anything like that. And we offer for him to sit with us. It was him and a couple people go by. We offer him to sit with us and he said no.

And he said politely, no, he said, look, I'm just going to angle in. I ain't going to pee on y'all's hunt me already here. You set your decoys out. All except we were kind of hoping he'd say, yes, and maybe his dog could go get our ducks for us. And we wouldn't have to walk because the mud's deep out there. Like I said, the water's not terribly deep. You can wait through it. But the mud is hellacious. Absolutely hellacious. But, uh,

I used to know I'm going to go about 150 yards up here to this big, big, I'm not sure it's not good. So it looks like dead goods. But it's on this, this tree, this tree truck that was topped or whatever is perfect for a person that a black dog to sit up against. And I mean, I'll, I'll tell you all later on, you know, I see what you're doing around shooting lights. All right. Well, you think

We, uh, we had back in line for a little bit and eventually I was like, man, I got it. I gotta beat. All right. So he goes, he goes and he walks up into woods. He, he does his business and, uh, when we're sitting there, you know, we're going to come back and, uh, man, I hear him and he was talking and I thought he was talking to me, but he says, Hey, Hey, Hey. And I stood up cause I thought he was talking to me. I started to head out there and say, Hey bear.

I think Alan goes Alan feels a grizzly tag every whenever it is every year. He's got somebody in Wyoming where he goes and feels a grizzly tag. I believe his wife might be Montana. Actually, I might be wrong about that. But he feels a grizzly tag every like he's got a bear skin rug in his house. It's beautiful. And he was hollering. Hey, bear. Hey.

I mean, I ain't never seen a bear. I mean, other than at the zoo in real life, but I know that that's when you're in bear country, you supposed to let bears know that you're around, because there's no way they'll get away from you. But we have black bears around here. They're not around here, close around here. There are tagged black bears in the state. And there's probably more than the ones that are tagged, but dude, I've never seen one. I don't know anybody who's ever seen one.

So him, Howard, Hey Bear really freaked me out. And I should have known right then what was going down. I should have, I should have picked up on that. And I know it's going down, but I didn't. So I walk out and man he's, and I'm out of the blind at this point. I'm headed towards him. Well, I see him cutting, you know, my eyes still kind of adjusting to the light because it's not completely light yet. And he's coming towards me and he's coming to, you know, he's wearing duck hunting waders with those big 16 or 1800 grain and a fix related boots or whatever. You can't move very fast, but Alan's high stepping. He's moving towards me and man.

I see it behind him. I see it coming behind him. It wasn't moving fast at first. It was following him. Man, I turned around and I, you know, I didn't think about it like this at the time, but I left Allen. I left him. I didn't mean to. It wasn't like I was a man. You know, I had to get to my gun. That was the first thing in my head was get to the gun. And man, in my gun, I have a, Oh God. And they, um, I think I, I think I shoot my duck rounds out of a modified joke.

Well, I keep slugs in my pocket. Like two or three of them always at all time. You run into a hog, you know, beer season, duck season overlap. You may mess around and see a big old butt and be wanting to shoot him. It's really dangerous to shoot those out of it. Don't ever don't anybody take that as a suggestion because it's not you're not supposed to shoot slugs out of any choke that you shoot duck rounds at or, you know, turkey loads or anything like that. I mean, you can literally mushroom the end of your gun. Like the end of your barrel, you can blow it off, you can kill yourself, but

In the moment, you know, hunter safety didn't really come through strong to me. So, man, I run through the hole in the blind. I grabbed my gun and I jumped over the front of the blind. It's almost too tall for you to sit down and hunt. But I jump over and I fall in the water. Dude, it was cold. It was super cold, like ice in the water cold. And I fall in the water. My waiters are like half full of water. My gun fell in the water. I never dropped it, but it went under.

And Alan got the jump on me. It was ahead of me. So man, I'm moving and I get out. You know, this is, I can't say how far across it is. It's a, I don't know what that point we were at. It was, I don't know, I'll be out there tomorrow. As a matter of fact, I'll be out there tomorrow. I'll look at it. I won't be at that part, but I'll be at a different part of it.

Anyway, I make it, you know, good ways out into this water and I turn around and this thing is there staring at me. Staring at me. And I'm not the type to run away, but there was really right there in that moment. I was holding my gun. Now that I'm thinking about it, I didn't say this. I didn't say it like this to me, but I was holding my gun. I could have stopped and shook the shell right there and maybe taken a shot, but I didn't. It didn't even occur to me too.

is when I turn and I look at it, man, I start, it's like a weird, I started to feel funny. And it's really hard to express like I was like, I was, what's the word, you know, like when you were in class as a kid and you start to not daydreaming, I guess, but it's like I was in a days. That's the best way to say it was like, it's like I fell into a day somehow. Alan howlers at me and he grabs me.

And we make the bank on the other side. And I could hear it behind me at that point. It was in the water. It was coming towards us. And I remember I reached for a slug. At that point, I reached for a slug. Somewhere up going up the bank, I reached for a slug. But I absolutely 100% do not remember loading that slug in my gun.

I simply don't remember, like I know I did now, but I still don't feel like I stuck that slug in my gun. So I don't know how that happened. But I hit the bank and I turned towards this thing that we are standing, just to tell you how big the size, because I've seen him twice. I've stood in front of him on the ground once and I was way above him the second time we ever saw each other.

Man, I was standing, I was probably two feet out of that water. And he's, he was big. Like he's really, that thing has to weigh 650 pounds, 600, 650 between six and 700 pound monster. Huge, man. And to stand that hop out of the water and still be almost level.

with this thing, because man, he was way down in the mud. I'm like 200 plus, lower mid 200s. And I also had a bunch of, I probably had 25 pounds of water in my waiters as well. So that didn't help, but it was really difficult for me to wait through that, because of the mud. Man, that thing is so big, he was bogged. That's the only reason things worked out the way they did, that's it. There's no doubt in my mind at all, that's the only thing that helped us. But man,

I'll raise my gun. And again, at this time, I'm not aware that I didn't put the slug in, but it's, I'm still not sure at what point or how that happened, like it's time I'm completely lost. But I raise my gun, man. Go to raise my gun and I start to feel, it's hard to explain. It was like a,

Like a really bad muscle cramp, really bad muscle cramp, but with heat, like with a burning pan, like a, like a, like a, like you got stuck with a hot cattle prod or something. And then they were, they were like, it was, I had a couple of them on my abdomen. One was in my left arm and all that stuff. And it was really, it was weird. And now now I'm very, very aware this thing,

has absolutely somehow the ability to portray its own, or not to project its own feelings. Physical and emotional on people. That's what happened to me the first night. That beckoning, that challenge, that come here, come here, boy.

And then when he was letting me know that the day when I was up in my stand and we ran into each other, he was letting me know, I'll get you. I will get you somehow, I will get you. It was, there was communication there, but it was still at that point, it was still foggy that I didn't realize that that's what that was. And absolutely no idea what that was. So it's really weird at this point. It was like, not to say what it's like, I told Vic that. Anyway,

It was strange. It was really, really strange, man, and kind of scary in a way, you know? And I'm not the one to be afraid. And it's not fun to admit that I was afraid, but it was frightening, man. It really was. Well, then it gets really weird and I start hearing this thing telling me, shoot, shoot, shoot.

Take him, shoot. And I realized about just as fast as I realized that I was still stuck in the days that it's Alan screaming at me. Alan's standing right beside me. Right beside, it's a miracle that he did not snatch the gun from me and shoot by himself. Alan is screaming at me, can't shoot. Can't see other words in there that I'm not gonna use, but Ben, I look at this and Alan's got my attention. I've got my focus back and I guess him,

Being there, being so loud was enough to snap me. I want to say I was under its control, almost. Because I raised my gun with the intention to shoot, and I did not shoot. And it wasn't because I chose not to shoot. So I want to say it had some kind of a hold on me. But man, Alan snapped me out of it. And I guess now it realized that. Because man, it roared at me. And I know I said it. I know I've said it before. I've said it more than once.

You don't know what loud is. You do not know what loud. I don't, dude, I used to go to the pyramid in Memphis when I was really little and watch monster trucks inside. That was like crazy loud. There's nothing. There's absolutely nothing like it's so loud. It disrupts, it can disrupt your breathing. Like it's, it's, it's the equipment. If you ever sat in a car, they had like a massive stereo system in it with a lot of bass and stuff like that.

It can disrupt your heart rate or your breathing. Like it really, it really has that effect on you. And there was nothing between me and him. It was full blast. And then I put the bead between his eyes and pulled the trigger. And either he moved or I, or I moved a little bit, then shoot him in the head. I shot him right through the eye, right in the eyeball, right in the left eye man. And, um,

You know, I told a bit and I'm going to say this just like I said, yes, because I don't. This is not easy to talk about, but I don't want to sound like I feel bad because I definitely do not. I do not in any way, shape, form or fashion, have regret for doing what I did at all. But I had to, I had to put a dog down a few years ago.

And I had to do it myself. My dog attacked, his name was Roscoe. I had him before I had Dallas, and he's the reason why Dallas was so special when I found him. Because I was at work one day, and my wife called me screaming and crying, saying Roscoe had attacked her. Now Roscoe slept with my children. He loved my kids. Man, those were his babies. You couldn't touch my kids around him, man. He wasn't playing with you.

I mean, he was him and Dallas were, I mean, and physically, if you've all seen that picture of Dallas, you've seen Roscoe. You've seen him, you know exactly what it, minus 25 pounds or so, Dallas had size on him. But if you've seen a picture of him, if you saw the good one that Vic posted, it made me cry like a kid. And you've seen Roscoe, you know what he looks like.

But man, I tried to find somebody to take him. I tried everything I could do. I called the shelter and they told me they were going to put him on the bike list. They had to say that he was aggressive because they couldn't sell him to somebody who might have small children who could be at risk or a single woman who may, you know, and they told me straight up, they said, they said that lots of times those dogs don't make it.

because they have to be very strenuous with the process of screening who they go to because they can end up as fighting dogs or they can end up in the wrong hands or they can miss that in the other. So I had a choice that I could take him and drop him off and have him, you know, just take him, drop him off and leave him there and have him wondering where I was and why I left him until they killed him, you know, but uh,

So I took him one day out to my, I took him to my grandpa's house up to my deer stand and we stopped and got a cheeseburger on the way out there. And we ate our burgers and he played in the water in the pond for a minute. And I did what I had to do, man. And, you know, it was like,

When I found out, it was completely about chance, you know, it was completely and totally the most random experience that I've ever had. And, uh, it was like I was supposed to find the man, you know, he did, he did everything that Roscoe did minus attack in my wife. You know, he loved my kids and he saved my life. You know, when you, when you have to do something like that, I don't know if y'all seen old yellow, but

That's not how it goes, whether you have to put your dog down. It's not that easy. But it's not an image. It's not an image that you get out of your head, you know, being put that yourself. So you're, you're like a poster somewhere. But, um, you know, I shot that thing, man. It was like watching me. It's like watching myself shoot my dog. You know, he needed to die. He deserves that. Like that thing, those things have no place existing among, among humans on this planet where there,

women, children, and things that people can't help themselves is that there's no place for monsters like that. I don't feel bad at all about what I did, but man, I felt terrible after doing it. You know, it was just, it was, man, I put, I put that round through his eye and he, you know, he grabbed his face, he clawed his face all the pieces. I guess he thought he could pull it out or something or another. But, uh,

after after just a few seconds, man, he, he stopped moving. He starts to slump over. And, uh, we're just standing down and he said, word. I said word. My ears were still ringing from, from the shot. That turn and I look and that Blair guy with his dog, they are booking it down the, down the

down the bank toward, they're on the opposite side, actually cross, but they're booking it towards us. They even get on the forward and come towards us. They are booking it towards us. And we see him over there and he stops and he looks like what in the hell is that, man? Anyway, I said, stay there. We come over there. We had to go to the left and walk all the way. It was a long way, man.

long way. We walked all the way around the end of that part of that slew where it got shallow into the grass and met him over there. And he's still waiting on us. And we exchanged our what the hells, you know, because he was like, I've never seen anything like that in my life. They were like, did you guys meet if I was young and get out of here? I'd leave. Yeah.

when he went and got his forward and he got all down. And no sooner he was pulling off that Allen. Allen finally talks to me and he was like, man, I think we need to go through. Because I wasn't, you know, I didn't think about it as soon as I did it, but I realized that we had fired a gun before shooting Mike, which is a crime in and of itself. I mean, I said crime, you ain't even go tail for it. You get a big fat ticket.

big old fat take, especially the game morning catch you better not let it be a federal game more than the driver said the silver trucks either. But at this point in my life, I've never had a run in with a game morning while I was hunting. I've always hunted private land. I've just been so far back off in a place that, you know, they normally wait on you at your truck. Man, we hit the trail and we don't, I mean, we make it. We make it half mine.

I tell you that we make a half a mile, but we get hit with a spotlight and it's a it's a freaking game. Well, he comes up to us. And he asked this company. He said, who was that boy that ran from me on that? Oh, we're with the dog. So I guess Blair gave you the slip. I guess they're trying to blare a Blair game and slip. And I don't blame it to be honest. I will tell you that I'm a road to the wall, but.

if there was ever a time, you know, but, uh, many chapters. That's all shooting. I told him, no, it Allen busted me out. Allen straight up busted me out. So it came, you need to tell him what's going on. And I'll be honest with you. I love Allen. That's my brother. And I say it because of my brother, I wanted to punch him in his mouth. I wanted to correct him right there in front of that. Anyway, we end up taking the dude back to the spot.

And this thing is, man, he's still in the water. I mean, obviously, he's still in the water, but he still hadn't fallen below the water. But it's his right shoulder and his head were still very, very visible about what's coming up and all kinds of, I mean, good. Anyway, he sees this thing from the band, you know, it's, it's not as dark black as a black bear.

But if I saw it at a glance, and that was, that'd be my first guess. If I saw what he saw, which was the back of the head with some ears, and you know, one, they wouldn't, they wouldn't do misguided in making that assumption. Man, that dude looked at me and said, you shot a tag, Black Bear, and I knew I was fixing to be in some, you know, Black Bear where, and, man, we go over there. He tells us to come on, we hop back in this dive, I said, we go over there.

And he looks at this thing head on, and he went and radioed for backup. And this great big fellas, big old bald dude shows up. And neither one of them were the federal game. Game wardens, they're federal agents, but the guys in the green trucks are different than the guys in the silver trucks. And the guys in the silver truck have that wand, like the metallic wand they can wave and see if you shot your ducks with lead shot or whatever. Both these guys were green gene game wardens.

Run of the mill. And here I am with I've got I've got to run in with two of them now and I'm never even I've never even been checked my game or wallet before. So I racked up two of those in one day. Man, that big fella. He looked for what he didn't look surprised at all. Let me let me say that five forget to mention that because that was kind of weird too. That dude was not surprised in the least bit. Not even. But he told us we needed to get on down.

And he said a whole lot. He's like, man, I think y'all should leave right now. Y'all need to get on out of here. And man, we left. We got on down, bro. And, uh, I dropped down off at his house and we sat there for a minute. He's like, man, okay. And he was asking me more than are you all right? Like, is everything going to be all right? And are you okay? Yeah. Yeah. And, uh,

Man, I just, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's surreal. Like it's, it's over. It's over. It's really over. My family is safe. We're safe. Like we, they're back at my house. Like I'm in my driveway right now. I'm not worried about being out here.

My children are safe inside. I'm not sure they were terrorizing their mom a few minutes ago wanting the M&M ice cream cookies that we bought from the store earlier, but this is my normal life. My normal life is completely back and full swing as much as it can possibly be. I'm going with Alan. I'm going to see him tomorrow. Alan is a real person. This is my real best friend. I'm going hunting with him in the morning, and I'm not worried about it at all.

My family is gonna be here safe at my heart now. Warren's down the hill. My brother from another mother's down the hill down there. He's, you know, I know he's always at both of us. You know, I'd watch dudes house for him while he was gone if he didn't ask me to, you know, but there's always eyes open on this hill and my family is safe while we're here. Warren's family is safe while I'm here. He ain't gonna ask me for that.

A dude is done and done for me, man. I didn't even know him when it started, you know? But my life is back. My regular everyday, and I say that, my kids are still not allowed to go outside without me. Let me say, I guess I meant it really when I said as normal as it can be. I mean, my kids are not going to go outside without me.

I don't let my dogs outside for very long. You know, they go to the bathroom and I stand on the porch the whole time. It's time to holler for them to come back. I don't even let them go in the backyard. They went, we got a great big front yard, but you know, but other than those things, man, I know it's safe now. It's just as safe as it was, you know, before all this came to be, before all these things happened with me. And there's something else I forgot to mention, not that it really matters, I guess, but

My my pop my mom's dad knew my little girls my wife went to stay with you know when all what all this all the All that was going down up here man, and that dude didn't believe me I Swear it on my life. He did not you know you didn't say

He said things. He asked me if I was trying to abandon my family. No joke. I swear. Well, he asked me if I was trying to abandon my family and dump them on him like, dude. Anyway, I received more of a, you know, I received more of a warm welcome here on Vix, on Vix platform from folks I don't even know. You know, there's, there's,

And there is somebody that I do know that recognized me over here. Miss Miss Suzanne, if you're listening, thank you for your kind words. I love you and, uh, they and be to death, actually, not going to say all his names, but, uh, you know, the people here have been the ones that were, and my, my for Allen, you know, and, and my, my grandpa, not my pop, but my grandpa and my, my pop believes me now, but

That was really a thing, man. He really asked me if I was, if I was looking for a way to abandon my life, like I've ever done anything. Merit, I'm asking me that, but you know, the people here on this channel were, I'm talking about the nicest, nicer than anybody's been. You know, the, the embrace was, was just, I needed that. Like I needed it. It was, it was a slice of ice in, in the midst of a bunch of,

you know, crazy crap going off in my life. And, uh, about my life will never be completely normal ever again. Cause man, that's, that's not the only one of those things out there. It was the only one that had me marked. Thank God. But as normal as my life can be, it's going to be, especially after this long, and you know, all this happened, all this happened. I told Vic it was, it was the sticks that he said was wrong. That was a Friday. It was the seven.

December the 7th, man. It was, it was four days, four days outside of the year that, that, that it took Dallas for me. So he got his, you know, he got my dog, man. He got a lot more than my dog. He got a lot of things, you know, he got a lot of things.

They got a lot of things for my family, you know, and then and he got they got things from one he got things from Alan That thing is is a thief. He stole something from everybody everybody involved, you know, and uh You know, it's it's I Don't feel bad about it again. I don't I don't feel the least bit bad, you know, I don't go bad at all, you know, it's just there there

variables that I couldn't control and people who were affected in ways that I couldn't help. And, you know, it's just my fault. And I feel like it was because this I feel I feel like that thing was all because, you know, like I said, I was just bamboozling as to why it was after me. You know, why why it was me? Why why was I the one it was after Tyler blasted him? How was the one who shot him first? It was I was just I was absolutely just completely. This confused at that how that was.

But now, I didn't even say this to Vicki yesterday, and I've been thinking about it a lot today. Man, that thing, I wasn't as afraid of it as it wanted, or as it needed. Because they feed on it. There's no way they don't feed on that, man. If you'd have told me that both like, you know, not long outside of my first run in with this thing, I might have told you you were nuts for thinking that. And, you know, it's crazy that I couldn't even begin to call somebody nuts after what I've seen with Elvis, but that just didn't make much sense to me.

Yeah. Yeah, that's dude. That's the only thing I can think of. Like I said, if you were going by logic, letting logic dictate, Tyler shot that thing first. It should have been after him. Tyler was, man, Tyler's taking his boots. I was scared. I was scared. Whatever. A minute. I was scared. I wasn't terrified. I wasn't shaking in my boots. I wasn't ready to run, man. I'm never going to run. I want to fight if I can. Even if I get woke, you know, no sense of not.

but I feel like it didn't get what it needed for me and it was gonna persist until it got it or until it got me. And, you know, I was, man, there's no, I can't tell you how fortunate I am. I am not some hard-ass dog, sorry, pardon me, I just been trying to illustrate here. I'm not some hard-headed or hardcore dog man, Hunter, man.

And never in my life gone out and hunted and killed one of those things. That's not, I wouldn't recommend anybody doing that. You know, as you got a death wish. I just, my hand was forced and I had, then at the time I had the upper hand. Thank God. Thank Alan, you know, just to let you know how dangerous it is. I mean, dude, I had, I had a bead between his eyes. I was, I was, I had every intention to blow in his brains out, man. And that thing grabbed a hold of me.

telepath, I don't know how to say it, telepathically. I mean, it snatched ahold of me so fast, man, you know, it just stopped me from shooting. There were several seconds that went by in that time. I mean, you know, I dare say 10 seconds could have gone by. I'll ask Alan, I'll ask him just to, you know, just to get that little tidbit, but man, but anyway, you know, I had to talk to Vic, you know, this has been a while, man, this was December the 7th, I mean,

once a month ago, almost a month ago. But man, my family's home, my life isn't normal as it can be. You know, it's Tyler, Tyler's feeling better now. I told him about all that, even though he pushed me out, you know, I couldn't ask Tyler to come and risk his life and risk taking himself away from his children to help me. But, you know, he was, he was, he was in it with me, you know, he was,

He was in it with me, but it's giving him peace of mind to know that our problem and the problem anymore, you know, and it's, uh, he couldn't believe it. I thought he couldn't believe he was like, I can't say what he was saying, but he didn't believe me. You know, and, uh, there's just overdue to call Vic and talk to him. Man, God, I'm balanced with you. I would have done it sooner. I just, I've been, I've been so happy to live normal.

to go to sleep and wake up as normal as I can. Because it took me a lot, man. It was probably a week after I had to take some some night quilts. I got sick. And that was my first regular night, pretty much regular night sleep in a couple of months, you know, and it was one of the most wonderful things ever. It was awesome. You know, but I had to tell Vic and, you know,

I wanted to tell everybody else to, you know, that first, that first story, man, that was, that was hard to tell. That was, that was difficult to get out, man. It was, you know, and everybody was so, y'all are awesome. Everyone of y'all are beautiful and wonderful and some of the best people I've ever not met, you know, but that was really, that was really difficult to get out, man, especially to a bunch of people I don't know that are listening to me over the internet, you know, it's kind of strange, but I'm really, really glad that I did it.

I really am. I'm really glad I met Vic. Dude's wonderful. He's awesome. He has his way of letting you tell your story. And, you know, you're just free to flow and tell it. It's, it, you can just get it right off your chest, man. There's no, you know, this was the place to go. And I'm glad I picked this one. And I'm glad y'all listened. And I'm glad that my family's back in my house. But yeah, I just, you know, I had to tell,

I had to tell Vic, and I asked to tell y'all, Vic didn't ask me to do this. He, he put zero pressure on me to come here and do this. This was, I asked him like, Hey man, and I, and I'll be honest with you. The reason that I asked him, the way I asked him was, do you think it's safe? Because one more thing, man, I haven't heard anything else about this, like game one got my info. You know, they, they have my number. They have money. They know who I am. They know what I did.

And I was really, really, really, really, really, really expecting somebody to show up at my house, you know, whether it be somebody in a suit or from an alphabet agency to ask me questions or to confiscate my guns or, you know, something or another. And man, I have not seen her from anybody. And I told Beck that how weird I thought that was. And, you know,

less victim, he was like, oh, man, look, if they wanted something for me by now, then he came and got you. Because I had, honestly, I've kind of been stressing over that. That was the only thing I was stressing over at this point, because it's just good to have my life back. But I was completely and totally kind of braced for that at my door, you know, and it had just didn't come.

And I hope that it doesn't because I don't want to talk to y'all and to because I chose to. I don't want anybody coming to my house demanded to know what happened. I don't want anybody like that around my family. I don't want anybody that has any ties, anything that's in any way, state, form or fashion related to something like that. I want to leave that behind as much as I possibly can, move on with my life and enjoy my life. I've forgotten what, you know,

In this past year, I've forgotten what it's like to really enjoy my life and my children and my wife. I think I might be ready to go get another male dog now. I haven't been able to bring myself to go get another dog. My wife hasn't wanted another dog. My wife's not the best with dogs. She's somewhat abrasive if I'm being honest.

But she, you know, it tore her pieces when Dallas was gone, man. She loved that dog. And it messed her up when I had to do what I had to do with Roscoe. But I might be in a place now where I'm cool with going to get a male dog, you know? I don't...

I don't think I want to get a dog that looks like Dallas. American Bulldogs are my thing. I used to breed them. I've owned them for years. And, you know, I love them. And I've given lots of people, lots of great dogs that love their kids and that, you know, I know people that deserve good animals and animals deserve good people no matter what. And I've made those connections in my life, but I don't think I can have another dog that looks like Dallas because I couldn't look at him every day. It would remind me too much. You know, I don't ever want to say that again.

I'll never not see it. I won't go the rest of my life without seeing it. I'm going to see that night playing my head at times. But it's all over, man. It's all over now. It's not a concern anymore. It's a bad memory. And that's all it is. It's a bad memory now. But, man, I just

Thank you to all of y'all for listening to me and allowing me to tell this story. Man, you know, I've cried in front of people, you know, in front of people like, like telling this story, I've cried, you know, and that's not anybody's problem. And that's nobody's, that's nobody's bull crap to deal with. That's mine. But the amount of people who were like, Hey man, we're, we're with you. It's all good. You know, everything will be okay. And this, that, they all are awesome. Absolutely freaking awesome.

And, you know, first and foremost, I wouldn't have the opportunity to have been, to have had people to be able to reach out to me and tell me it's gonna be okay if it would. But, I mean, that's what's happened in my life so far, you know, so far. That's, there isn't so far, but when it comes to this, that's where I am now, man.

I'm happily home with my kids. As soon as I'm done out here, I'm going in and they're going to be in there waiting on me. Covered in spaghetti sauce, my wife made spaghetti here. Yeah, man. This is the best I've been in really, really long time.

Cam, I think it's pretty safe to speak for everyone when I tell you that we're all so glad that you have your life back now. You deserve this. You've deserved this for so long. When you told me about what actually happened, when you had that showdown with that dog, man, I was so happy for you and still am.

But having said that, I know you're under a time constraint. You're going to be up at the crack of dawn tomorrow to head out with Alan. So you said you only had about an hour to do this show tonight. With that in mind, would you be willing to come back Monday night at 9 p.m. Eastern for part two? So I could ask you a laundry list of questions.

Well, you know what's appreciated, it really is. And please remember, when you head in the house tonight after wrapping up from this, I hope you do give your kids a big hug because you deserve it and they deserve it. I will. I'll tell them this from big. And by who is big, I don't worry about it, baby.

Yeah, tell them that's another story right there. It definitely is. Well, yeah, if you're sure that Monday night and nine p.m. Eastern time will work for you then. Yeah, we'll just come back then and do a part two to get all these questions thrown at you and we'll just take it from there then. I got you. Yeah, man. I'll see you all Monday. That'd be fine.

Well, you know, we're looking forward to it. And like I told you before, thanks again so much for coming back to update us on what's been going on, what's happened. Yeah, man. Thanks for that. It's likewise, you know. Oh, you know, you're welcome. Anyway, we can help. We'll definitely do that. But having said that, yeah, I'm going to let you get out of here and get inside. Thanks again so much for your time. And we'll talk to you Monday. Awesome. I'll see you there, man. Thanks. We'll see you.

Well, that's another one in the books, like we talked about earlier just a moment ago. We'll be back Monday night, 9 p.m. Eastern time for part 2. To ask him all these questions, I'm gonna have a bunch of questions for him. If you're in the live chat and have any questions for him that you'd like for me to ask him, then please come back and I'll definitely ask those questions as well. But having said that, if you've had a dog me an encounter of your own that you need help dealing with, or maybe you just want to come on the show and share it with other listeners.

If you want to report that to me, please go to dogmeandencounters.com, submit a report, and if you do that, then I'll contact you and schedule a phone consultation with you, and we'll take it from there. But having said that, thanks again so much for listening, and have a great night.

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