Welcome to this Naked Mind podcast, where we question the role of alcohol in our lives without rule, shame, or judgment. I'm Annie Grace, and I'm so thrilled to have you with us today. In this special series, I'm inviting you into something truly unique and deeply personal. You're going to be listening in on real one-on-one coaching sessions between some of our certified This Naked Mind coaches and members of our community who are on their own journey with alcohol.
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Molly, welcome. It's so good to see you. Thank you. It's good to see you too. Where would you like to start today? What would you like to focus on? Two main issues. One is that in my profession as a physician, there isn't really a safe space to talk about this stuff. Mainly, how can I talk about going alcohol-free?
and not have people panic and think I'm an alcoholic because even though physicians use the term alcohol use disorder, it's the same thing. People do make a lot of assumptions I know because I used to before I understood things a little bit better. So one is how to talk about it. The second thing that I'm, I think this course is so amazing that I would like all of my friends and family to do it. And I don't feel comfortable sharing that I've done it because of the assumptions I think that are made.
that if anyone is trying to be alcohol free or even just examine alcohol in their life, then they have a problem. I totally get that and I totally hear both your passion about all the things that you're learning and the changes that you're creating in your life and your desire to share it, you know, both in your profession and with your
friends and family. And then this fear in both of those instances of what are people's reactions going to be and what are the assumptions that they're going to make about me? And I'm curious in your mind, what are those assumptions? What are people going to make it mean?
practically what I've experienced so far, which gives me a hint as to which I think informs what in my mind I think people think about. So my dad recently, who no longer drinks, but struggled with alcohol use disorder, recently asked me why I didn't drink anymore. And before I even answered said, did you get a DUI that I don't know about? And then
said, I never saw you hit rock bottom, what do you mean? So those two things just really surprised me because there was never a point in which alcohol was interfering externally. This is all internal. And then I've had a couple friends and even people that I didn't really know immediately start asking a lot of questions. It's like, why would you stop is sort of the underlying unless there is something wrong with you
i.e. you have a disease, you can't control yourself, whatever. Unless there's something wrong with you, why wouldn't you be drinking? Yeah and I've had some of those responses myself and it's interesting because people's reaction to somebody stopping drinking is it immediately kind of holds up this mirror to them and their drinking and they're like
Well, we used to drink together. We used to like, keep pace with each other. So if you stop drinking, what does that mean? What does that mean about me and my drinking? And so I think there's this immediate defense that can sometimes arise. And that's been really helpful actually listening to Annie's and you now flip it so that it's not about me. It's about them is has been really powerful just in terms of showing how many of us do deal with this and struggle with this.
And it also in the context of my work makes me feel nervous that if people think that I had alcohol use disorder or whatever. I wonder would you say that thoughts like they're going to think there's something wrong with me. Do you think that is a key underlying fear? Yes. And
When you think about that, they're going to judge there's something wrong with me. Where do you feel that in your body? Well, the listeners can't see, but you can see me tearing up. In my chest and my stomach, it feels like I'm being sent to the principal's office, which by the way, never was. It was a very good kid. But it feels like that. Like I got caught doing something bad. Yeah.
And what does that feel like in your chest and your stomach? What are the sensations that are there? It manifests to me like how my anxiety manifests, which is my stomach kind of doing knots and then hypersensitivity to my fingers and toes and skin and just being very fight or flight. So sensitive, tingling, nauseous, nauseous. And it sounds like the emotions that you are aware of is anxiety.
And I think rejection, one of the things that I've been trying to do as I've gotten more as of age, you can argue, become what mature is to not rely so much on external validation. I think this is where the path where that key self part, that's what I really need help with. And I think it feels very much like I'm putting myself out there for external judgment, which has been
you know, that external validation unfortunately has just been where a lot of my self-worth comes from and probably drives a lot of the choices I've made. Yeah, you're so not alone in that. Wow, that's one that I think I hear so much and I myself had to detangle over the years, right? And just the fact that you can see that is huge and
Where do you think that comes from? Where did that start? I don't remember a time when I didn't. And it's really interesting as I watch my kids, I can see some were sort of, I mean, I don't know if this is psychologically true or not. It seems to me that some were born without the need for external validation. I mean, to some extent, right? And everyone needs internal confidence from since all as long as I've known them, which is their whole life. And some of them are not like that.
and are very much more like me. I don't know if that's accurate. That's my observation. And I remember from as long as I had memories searching for validation. I mean, I have so many funny stories from when I was really little about things that I liked, but then someone told me that they didn't like it and I couldn't stick to my own opinion about that. So I don't know myself without that.
When you think about that feeling of like, I'm doing something wrong, there's something wrong with me and that tightness in your chest, where can you remember feeling that? Oh, lots and lots of times. I mean, I think it's a very unpleasant feeling and I lived with it forever. So anytime I didn't, gosh, I always got good grades, but there was a reason, right? My motivation probably was not feeling like this.
One time my shop lifted because my friend told me I needed to or something. I was really little and I still feel that way when I think back to that. I was like teeny tiny kid and I got pulled over by the police once. I mean, it just all feels that way, right? Like just getting an email from my boss that I didn't do something well. I mean, countless experiences. Even things I feel like quote unquote normal people, it would be like, oh my gosh, don't worry about that.
Like my husband, he's born in true confidence. None of that stuff would bother him. That's so interesting, isn't it? I wonder if you see this pattern anywhere else. It's like this just noticing yourself judging like, okay, this is good or bad, wrong or right? Yes. And even casting back further to when you were a kid,
I mean, I think one of the feedbacks I got from my parents is that the world is not black and white and I need to not see things as black and white. So there must have been something when I was little that was very much like right and wrong. Something about my brain that like to sort things into two buckets. And so I wonder, just seeing that and seeing that pattern, what has that cost you? Yes, it has cost me things. I don't know because I don't know how
Life would be without thinking that way. It's not a very satisfying answer, but I think about how many things I have done or did because I thought that was expected of me or because I felt like I should do things. I don't think my career choice was that, but I do think part of how I look is that is based on that. So I think there is a lot. There is a lot wrapped into what I should or should not.
And what happens when you feel like you haven't done what you showed or shouldn't? I feel terrible. You know, I can feel my self worth going away or that feeling of like, I think only recently I understood what the concept is of self love, which has been really helpful actually. And I think that when I think about doing something that I shouldn't do, it feels terrible. I'm sorry, I can imagine.
You'd want to avoid that feeling. What is that feeling that you are avoiding? It's similar to like how I feel anxious. So it's, you know, feeling nauseated, feeling like I want to run away a ton of adrenaline. And I think that's honestly why I'm so scared to tell anybody that, oh, I'm trying to be AF because in my brain, it's like, well, then I have a problem.
I was doing something that I shouldn't be doing and it feels very much like a failure. Would it be truthful for you that this fear of being judged that there's something wrong with me is actually you judging yourself that there's something wrong because you used alcohol in this way?
Yes, I think that's spot on. I don't really know that I have the words to say this. I mean, it's kind of like an epiphany with you saying that right now, but it's basically like I'm in my own head. And so my judgments that I create about others or myself are generated by my brain. And I think that you are right. I mean, what's that quote that what anyone else thinks about me is none of my business. And I think I spent, I know I spent, I mean, my brain works at 1000 miles an hour. It is constantly going.
And I think I do judge myself in a very harsh, high standards, I would say, expecting perfection, which is impossible. Yeah, that's a really difficult bar to set for yourself. And I think with alcohol in particular, I really do think that we do treat it differently, right? So, you know, I think about how as doctors were trained to think about
alcohol, and how we treat patients. We're taught that it's a disease model, right? We taught that. So if you have a disease, there is something wrong with you. And so it's really reinforced by that. You know, one of the issues that really, really bothers me that I think I mentioned to you earlier really is that medical boards require you to acknowledge whether or not you've had treatment for substance use disorder. So what does that tell you that maybe you're not safe, or that you're not as good?
And so there's a lot of external, like, objective support that alcohol isn't serving you regardless of what's happened. Like, for example, I never missed work. Someone looking from the outside in, I don't think they would think anything about me and my relationship with alcohol. It's in my brain, which is all it needs to be in order to think about not wanting it there, right? I mean, I think it's a not very skillful way of dealing with
anxiety and maybe actually an unskilled way of dealing with my need for self-reflection. And there is all this reinforcement. Yeah, I can totally understand how the evidence to that belief can stack up or seem to stack up. And there is still a lot of misconception around alcohol and alcohol use.
And it's interesting how one person's alcohol use can look normal on the outside, but feel internally very conflicting, very just like you're not free. Yeah, exactly.
You know that you're not in control of it anymore, but somebody else drinking exact amount, feel fine about it. There's no feelings about it. That's exactly right. But the way we sort people is how badly did they screw up? Did they drive drunk? Did they kill somebody? Did they hurt themselves? Did they stop working?
And what was the quantity? Is it bottle liquor? Is it 10 beers a night? The way we put people in buckets regarding alcohol use is based on those sort of concrete things. And they're pretty extreme, right? So I remember someone telling me, oh, it probably was my mom that someone in her rehab only drank four glasses of wine at night. And she was just really irritated that they were in the rehab program. So that's not enough.
It was like she couldn't possibly struggle with alcohol because the quantity was insufficient. Yeah, it's so interesting. And I think what people don't realize is that sometimes when you have that deep inner conflict and, you know, that cognitive dissonance that we talk about that, like, I don't want to drink, but I keep drinking when the quantity of alcohol is lower, sometimes that could actually be worse because you don't have the
huge amount of negative consequences that sometimes propel you into a faster change. So if you're a very controlled drinker, breaking that cycle can be extremely hard because you're not waking up with the debilitating hangovers. Maybe you're not even blacking out. Maybe you're not doing and saying a lot of things that you're a great. So all of that pain element is not as intense. And so I think, yeah, there's so many misconceptions about all of that.
But I think what you're saying is that, so there is this inner belief that because I struggled with alcohol, there's something wrong with me. And you can feel that in your chest. You said you can feel that in your stomach, feels like anxiety. I mean, I want to run away from it. Physically, I want to run out of my body. What do you usually do to avoid that feeling?
distract myself, try to come up with some, another thought, all these things that I realized actually through the path or give them power. So I'm trying now more to like, if I feel really bad, listen to that and say like, what, okay, you're having that feeling of flight. What is the thought sort of go through that and examine it? Because let me tell you what has not worked is running away, trying to dampen, squish it, put it, make it go away. It just gives it a lot of power because you're scared of that feeling coming back.
Yeah, and it sounds like holding yourself to this high standard has had its benefits, right? You're successful. You push yourself really hard. I bet it's paid off in a lot of areas in life. Yeah, it's reinforced itself that way, you know. I think so much of this is in my head. And I think that is a little bit of a freedom because then if it's in my head, I can work on myself and
sort of have it, I mean, it sounds sort of meta or something, but at least I almost feel like I have more control over it. It's not public. It feels like all this is like airing your dirty laundry for the public. And that makes me feel so uncomfortable. It's sort of freeing to be like, well, if this is all contained within my brain, maybe with the help of Katrina, I can dissect it and understand it a little bit better and work on that.
Yeah, and how does that feel? It feels great, actually, to think about it that way. For everyone listening, first of all, I was really, really nervous about coming on this because, again, I don't want someone to know. And then I thought, well, who's listening to this naked mind? It's not like people are listening to it if they've never questioned their relationship with alcohol. So if you know me and I'm out, I'd find help it helps.
We can talk about it. So I think it's really interesting. I mean, I think there's a couple of things that you've said that have been really aha moments in my brain. You know, I mentioned that my brain goes like a thousand million miles an hour. Well, I think a lot of it is this talk and there's like background talk. There's like subconscious message. I mean, there's just like really busy head and not helpful. A lot of negative thoughts. And so I think part of that is like, huh?
Maybe it's not that anyone else is actually giving me grades at the end of the day about how good I was. It's just me giving myself grades. And it's me creating what is good and what is not good and me creating what is perfect and not. And it feels very much like a prison. I wonder if it's you creating it. I think so. There's no one else doing anything. I mean,
No one else puts thoughts in my head. I think we have influences, but it's me. How many miles did I run? Was that my goal? Was that not my goal? Whatever it is that I'm judging in that second.
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Exactly. This is why I'm going to need you. And I mean, the other thing is, so this is way too deep for me to talk about other people, right? You know me a little bit from our path calls and that sort of stuff, but all this stuff is first of all, I don't think most people would be interested, but it also feels very, very vulnerable. And anything around alcohol to me feels very, very vulnerable. And then all of this other stuff, obviously.
But I think one of the other things is like, let's say I don't have any alcohol for a year and I'm free of it. And it's like, ah, you know, because again, we talk about it, not the behavior focus. It's the emotion, right? And that's, I think really fits with me. If you were looking at like the quantity I was drinking, the behavior maybe wasn't the problem, but it was my emotion around it, right? That was the problem. And so let's say I'm like a year alcohol free or whatever. And I told everybody like, oh, yeah, no, I just don't drink. And then I,
Decide one day I'm going to have a cocktail or whatever. That makes me feel really uncomfortable. That makes that same feeling come back. And at first when I had brought up this question as something I wanted to talk about, I thought it was because I was going to disappoint those people or they were going to panic and be like, oh my God, she's an alcoholic and look now she's drinking again. Which there may be some of that. I mean, I don't know. There may be some of that.
But maybe it's me, maybe it's like such failure and thrown into my face, me throwing into my face, that possibility of quote unquote failing or having that experience is just so scary. I really understand that. And when you go back to that feeling, when you connect with that, you feel your stomach, you feel your chest,
And you allow yourself to feel that. That's it. Can you handle that when you really sit with that feeling? Yes, it's uncomfortable. I mean, I don't think I have a rough start with it. I mean, I have it now, and then I'm sitting with it. That's it. That's what we're trying to avoid and run away from. There's that feeling. And then there is the voice.
the thoughts that we're going to have, the story we're going to tell ourselves about that feeling. And that story is, I'm a failure. There's something wrong with me. Yeah, literally it is. It's like, I'm a failure. See, I couldn't do this. I knew I couldn't do it. Mean things. Yeah. So that is the meaning that you're creating around that feeling and around that experience. And so seeing that
Is there a different perspective around that potential experience? I think the answer is yes. Give us a multiple choice question. The answer is yes. I don't know. I mean, I can come up with some words. I don't believe them right now. So if you look at the opposite of that belief, there's nothing wrong with me. Is there any evidence that you can think of that that might be true?
Yes, again, it all comes back to external stuff. So the examples I'm gonna give you are external, right? I have a job, I maintain healthy relationships, I exercise, I'm an involved parent. Internally, the answer may be more like no. What about when you look to something like your kids, when they do something
but I'm quite wrong, like that'd be how you've in a bad way. Yeah, no, I mean, I've thought about this a lot because it's so easy for me to use this framework on them and be like, of course, I love them intrinsically because of who they are. They could screw up. I mean, every night I have the kids say the same thing and it's you're strong, you're great. And then they say, mom loves me forever, no matter what, because that's true. There's nothing they could do that would make me not love them.
And I very clearly see their acts as acts and their emotional whatever as that. I would love help applying that same lens on my own self assessment slash judgment.
Yeah, I mean, the wonderful thing about that compassion is that we teach this in the path all the time. It's that when you struggle to find that compassion for yourself, you can actually start with seeing that compassion for other people. So in even like, it's easy for you to see it with your kids, right?
So with people in the past community or wherever you have your alcohol free community, when people share their stories or that they've had a data point or that they've had a difficult experience or that they're having craving or even like a full blown revert back to like a bender or something. Complete bender. Absolutely. Yeah. When you
show compassion to people in those instances and you encourage them and you get curious with them that compassion, whether we're showing it to other people or showing it to ourselves, it's the same part of our brain that lights up. Our brain doesn't actually distinguish whether you're doing it for somebody else or for yourself, compassion is compassion. And so if you're having
challenges accessing that for yourself. Start there to start by giving that to other people in the community and have this question in your back of your mind. If they deserve that compassion, so do I. If their behavior can be separate from their value, maybe so can mine. I have no problem with that.
I honestly sincerely don't judge any of my past members. And I really similar to my kids, I don't weigh their worth in terms of their data points or anything else. I feel like there's an asterisk to my story. And that is having parents that have substance use disorders. And that is that with those that are very close and very near and dear. So like my parents and for example, I feel like if my husband were no say, I'm going to stop drinking. I think it's not serving me.
and then he were to start again. I have that same feeling, this like primitive, oh shit, feeling of like, oh no, this is bad, this is bad, this is bad. And it's like there's a limit with my compact, not a limit, but it's like, if you're not super close to me and you have a data point, totally fine. But I don't know anyone else who's actually close to me who's doing this work, that I have intense relationship or wrapped up emotions or, you know, I depend on them or whatever.
The closest people I have who have done that are my parents and it was not pretty and when there are real apps is it's like how long is this going to be this is terrible you know I really have had to work on the story I create about like what's going to happen next and i've gotten better about that and I guess I bring that up because.
I am able to give a lot of compassion to others that I'm not super, super close to when it comes to alcohol. So that's a specific trigger for me, where it's hard for me to find that compassion with my parents. It's better, but you give me almost anything else and people can quote unquote screw up left and right. The alcohol part is hard for me.
totally get that. I wonder if there was a point in time that you like decided I'm not going to be like them. Yes. You know, I remember we're quite different anyway, but I remember before getting married. I mean, I was kind of scared to get married because I didn't think they had a very strong relationship and I was scared by the finality of it all. And then I remember before having kids being like, if I'm going to do this, I will not be like them.
I will not perish like they did. Yeah. And I wonder if this fear is coming from when you have a data point, there's a part of you that really is scared that you are going to be like them. Absolutely. Totally. It's to the point that when my kids ask about alcohol, I say it's a poison that people put in their bodies and that it's addictive. I talk about it. I do not glorify it.
it can become kind of a problem. I mean, I don't try to scare them from it, but if they ask deep questions, I mean, I'm pretty honest with them about what it is. And they ask very intelligent questions, like why would anybody drink it then? But yes, that is a deep and true fear that what would happen if they ever saw me drunk. Like recently, you know, I think my mom was drinking again and recently she wasn't answering the phone. And I was like, she may be dead.
And I literally for like an hour, I'm like, I'm middle aged person, right? Like, I'm not a kid, but I definitely reverted back to that. I was like, I bet she drank herself to death. And I wrote in my little journal that we use for the path, I will never make my kids have to ask themselves that.
I don't want them to see alcohol for anything besides like alcohol is such big importance in my life because of the role it played when I was a teenager and a young adult. And oftentimes I sort of rescued my parents or whatever, however you want to, you know, whatever, troops and all the terrible things that happened when they were drinking.
And I think that's probably why. I mean, I sort of do this, but it's only in talking to you now or you know that it's like really coming out. I think that's why it's so scary for me. And even if I had had like two glasses or three glasses of wine, it was like alarm bells going off, panic, negative self-talk. And I think probably it does come from that is these promises I made myself to never make my kids feel the way that I did.
I wonder if it is a good entryway for compassion starting with little Molly who had to experience all of that. I think so. I've told myself, and I think you had a protection. I mean, I think we tell ourselves stories for whatever reason. I tell myself that my life wasn't that bad. And then I had a really good childhood. And recently, my brother-in-law with behavior associated with a time
He was like, I am so sorry that you had to have this childhood. And I was almost offended, right? So I think I've told myself that actually things weren't that bad. But these fears come from somewhere. I don't think people who didn't have parents who were drunk and fighting and making not great choices. I don't think that they have these terrible feelings that come up around alcohol and parenting.
Yeah, I would say, of course you have these terrible feelings come up, of course. I feel like I'm blaming them and I don't mean to do that. I think in this work that you're doing is the epitome of the opposite of blame. Blame is like, it's your fault, there's nothing I can do about it. And ownership on the other side is, okay, this happened.
What do I see to do differently? What do I see to own, to take away while still acknowledging that that experience was extremely challenging for a child to grow up in? We can have both of those things. We can have parents that we love and who
also did things that really, really was hard for us. People are complicated, both things. They're not bad or good. They're people that we love who also did things that really hurt us. And I'm wondering for yourself with that decision, I'm not going to be like them. Is there a different perspective about the fear of having a data point or
returning to drinking that you can have over this, that allows you to move forward in maybe a more compassionate way. I mean, I think I'm a very different person than they are my awareness around alcohol and just my awareness on parenting, honestly, it's just very different.
So I know I'm not the same person that they are. I know I'm not going to be that parent. And I know that I'll screw some things up and kids will say, Oh, remember, when they'll get together Christmas and talk about how I screwed something up. That's just all kids. So, but I, in all sincerity, I know I'm not them. So I know that in my core, I also feel like man, alcohol can make anybody just a different person and unreliable. And
manipulative and scary. Having a data point doesn't necessarily mean that about you. That's true. That is true. It doesn't. And people have data points all the time in their path group. And I, they come right back and I'm like, more power to you. I think my question is, why have a data point? Substance, I know that. Society, okay.
You know, I think in the next year, hopefully understanding what do I think? Cause I can give you a thousand reasons why it's not doing good stuff. So I think some of that judgment comes from, you know better. Yeah. And is, was that true? Did you know better? I don't know, maybe in a year, hopefully in a year. I'll be, Hey, I've been won't even be thinking about it, right? I've done all this work on self.
with Katrina. It's going to be amazing. Yeah, you know better. That's such an interesting one. And exploring if that's true, because especially I think for kids that grow up in households where alcohol use disorder is rife and having that childhood, a lot of people then grow up and think like, Oh, I should have known better. Like I grew up with this. Why did I even go near the stuff?
And it's so interesting because a lot of kids do grow up to themselves, drink in unhealthy ways. And I think it just adds this layer of shame and guilt and everything else. And it's been showing that even like adding compassion to that, of course, when you grow up in a household where you're not modeled, healthy coping mechanisms, healthy ways to process emotion,
healthy ways to have boundaries and talk about things and all of those things that we learn when we're actually going alcohol-free. Of course, you end up coping with life in the same way that you were modeled. And so I think just acknowledging that for yourself and just being like, well, yeah, that totally makes sense.
And I think that's also why it's like so strong. I have such intense motivation isn't the right term, but just this commitment to not modeling that. And that commitment is huge. And I think there's just so much good in that. And that's such an incredible motivation and who you want to be and for your kids.
Start thinking about that gray area of allowing yourself to show up as human in between then. I'm writing down self-compassion, taking notes, self-compassion. Capital. Then that doesn't mean that you're failing in that. It just means that you're human. And even in your consideration of like how to share this with
my friends in the world and the industry that you work in, think about that gray area of there's no one way, there's no good and bad, there's no right way and wrong way. Actually, there's this huge gray area in between of like, how can I have a both and situation in this? How can I both share what I'm learning and protect my anonymity and protect my professional
life. How can I share in a way with my friends?
and still give myself grace of I change my mind or one day for some reason I decided I want to start to moderate. You know, finding the both and practicing that when your mind wants to go to good bed right wrong, like is super powerful. And I think this is something that alcohol does as well. I think alcohol creates that in flexibility in our minds. And so I think as you get further space from alcohol as well, you'll start to find the grades in between. It's like there's a million ways to do anything.
And how can I find a win-win? Yeah, I like that. Hopefully I haven't outed my anonymity. I'm not quite there yet. Again, if that person is listening to this, then welcome friend. I still feel like I'm in baby chick mode.
Oh, Molly. We all are, and you know what? It is such a step-by-step, day-by-day thing that we talk about sharing your scars, not your wounds. In other words, like when it's still really raw and you're still healing from it and you're still going through the pain of it, when you're sharing it, it's probably still a wound, right? And we don't want to put a wound out into the world because the world will pour salt in it and it can really hurt.
But when it's healed and it's just a scar, people can pour all the salt they want on it. It doesn't do a thing. Can I ask you? I know you've kind of protected your story for a while, right? Does it feel now that you can tell people anything or do you? I don't know. Does that feeling go away?
No, it doesn't feel like I can still tell before that. It's oh my gosh. Absolutely. But you know what? It's layered and it was such a journey for me to start to share in safe spaces first where I was like, you know, we talked about going to the edge of your comfort zone. So that's why the path is so magical because you go in there and there's this safe space to start talking about all this stuff that we never are able to talk to anyone about.
And so it's this really safe space. And then from that safe space, when your authenticity comes to light and you feel your story starts to make sense for yourself, like you know how we're just making sense of everything to ourselves even. Totally. And puzzle pieces come together. And then it's like, okay, then maybe you're ready to share more with
your partner or some friends who are close friends or and so is this really layered well this was my experience anyway I just like this layered ongoing and I'm still evolving like I'm still getting to a space where I want to take all of the masks off and just completely be me and there's always this little niggly fear of the judgment or the people that I used to work with or it's still there sometimes but I'm so committed to just
Going to the next edge of the discomfort going and doing that in a way. Again, that is super self compassionate feels a little bit uncomfortable, but not incredibly unsafe because that's the sweet spot of where you want to operate. That's where I am today. That's incredible, Molly.
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