Let’s Go Hunt 105 – Horses: They’re Pets, They’re Food, They’re Also Pet Food
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January 01, 2025
In the 105th episode of the Let's Go Hunt podcast, the hosts engage in a spirited discussion about horses and their multifaceted roles in modern society. Labeled as both pets and a source of food, horses also face serious management issues due to their increasing populations, particularly in places like Nevada. Below is a detailed summary of the key insights and discussions from the episode.
Introduction to the Hosts
The episode begins with introductions from the team, including Dave, Mike, and Sam, who dive straight into the topic of wild horses, the challenges they present, and the implications of their overpopulation.
The Nature of Wild Horses
The conversation centers around the wild horse population in the United States, particularly in Nevada where approximately 35,000 of the estimated 86,000 wild horses reside on Bureau of Land Management (BLM) managed lands. Some critical points discussed include:
- Historical Context: Horses originally native to North America were hunted to extinction but were reintroduced by Spanish settlers.
- Cultural Significance: Horses are often romanticized as symbols of the American frontier, leading to emotional resistance against their culling or use as food.
Population Control Challenges
Overpopulation Consequences
The episode highlights the ecological strain caused by the expansion of the wild horse population, which doubles every four to five years. Some consequences discussed include:
- Grazing Pressure: Wild horses compete for resources with native wildlife and livestock, leading to habitat degradation.
- Costly Management: The annual expenditure on managing wild horse populations is significant, amounting to over $157 million, which includes costs for off-range holding facilities and helicopter roundups.
Legislative Hurdles
The Wild Free-Roaming Horses and Burros Act of 1971 was enacted to protect horses from exploitation but has resulted in unintended consequences:
- Rigid Protections: The laws in place do not allow for effective population controls, leading to a situation where the management methods are often inefficient and costly.
- Need for Amendment: For sustainable wildlife management practices to develop, flexibility and adaptation within legislation are crucial.
The Ethical Debate Around Horses as Food
As the hosts discuss the cultural perceptions surrounding horses, they tackle the ethics of viewing horses both as pets and potential food sources:
Changing Perceptions: In many cultures, horses are consumed regularly. The podcast raises the question of why American society struggles to reconcile the idea of eating horses.
Practical Considerations: With the growing horse population, tapping into this resource could provide solutions to overpopulation while also addressing food supply issues.
Legal Alternatives: The hosts present ideas on how interested individuals could adopt wild horses and then ethically manage their populations through hunting, framing it as necessary for ecological balance.
Wild Horses in Other Countries
The discussion shifts globally to highlight how different countries manage wild horse populations. Notably, in Australia, wild horses (brumbies) are often culled, with hunting seen as a practical response to manage their numbers. The hosts suggest that the U.S. could benefit from similar management approaches to wild horse populations.
Conclusion: A Call to Action
Concluding the podcast, the hosts emphasize the need for public dialogue about existing wildlife management laws, urging listeners to:
- Engage in Advocacy: Engage with local representatives to discuss potential amendments to animal management laws.
- Educate Themselves: Understand the ecological impact of wild horse populations and the implications of their increasing numbers.
- Consider Alternative Perspectives: Shift toward viewing wild horses as wildlife management options rather than just pets, integrating the idea of sustainable eating practices.
In conclusion, the Let's Go Hunt podcast offers a thought-provoking exploration of the complexities surrounding wild horse populations in the U.S., touching on themes of conservation, ethical consumption, and the challenges of evolving wildlife management laws.
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and coming back to you for the 105th episode of weaponized chromosomal aberrations. That's way too many big words that I wrote down there. Let's go hunt. Tonight, as, actually, as always for the past few episodes, we have Vince, new and improved Dave, Christmas concert survivor, Mike, who's doing the best he can, but should try harder. And on my way to drill your mom's septic, or drill your mom's well and hook up her septic, I'm saying Alexander.
I mean, sure, why not? It works either way. It's just not the way I wrote it down. I understood some of those words. Drill and septic? You're familiar with those two? I don't think so. I would have fucked up chromosomal evirations. I almost did. That's why I was like, why did I write those words? Fuck that.
My brother septic done in Texas has like a little fucking sprinkler system man where it sprays the nasty poop water all over the place. And I don't understand how this is a thing. Oh, the gray water systems. Yeah. I cut juice. It's a little free water. Different. That's like dishwater. Yeah, gray water is that dishwater and it's got some soap in it. It's nice and clean. They call the other one black water.
That's oh wait. Was that the, wasn't that a military contractor? Black water. I think it was, wasn't it? Yeah. Yeah. Black water back in the arach days. The little bear, the little bear claw symbol emblem thing, the jiggy. Travis Haley was on board with them. There's that video of them shooting dudes, uh, however far away on top of a rooftop and I can't remember what town in Iraq it was.
Blackwater was the chisel for a while and then, you know, not anymore. Real soldiers of fortune. Yeah, I think the last of them went out with Africa though. I was just talking to the client I'm working for now who went down on some expedition along the skeleton coast in Namibia.
Driving around some $120,000 Land Rover, Ineos, Granadir, Thingamajigi. I was just talking with her today about that trip, and while I wouldn't want to pay to go on it, it sounds like it was fun. They were freaking... Now, of course, driving 12 hours a day doesn't sound fun, but they'd get to like their little camp for the day, would be all set up with little servers and waiters and shit and think, man, this is like colonialism at its best. Fuck.
If I'm leaving the country, I'm going to knock on Jack Carmody's door and we're going to go shoot camels. I would agree with that. Absolutely. The problem is Dave, you wouldn't want to just shoot camels. You'd be like, show me the farm.
And I would be like, show me, take me in your fucking plane, sir. And I'm still enamored by that whole, I can't remember what he said, but when they were jumping on the fucking, I called it a moped. It wasn't a moped. It looked like a moped the picture. And they did the little motorbike. Yeah. We were like, do you shut the fuck up about the tractor? And because we
Oh, I would absolutely I'd be like, dude, do you want me to go fucking spray? You want me to go play? Which his farm and his ranch are separate, but I'll go punch cows down in Straya. I mean, I'd be game for it. We're out there to play big game Hunter. We're out there to play big game Hunter three days over there on tractor simulator 24. No, farm sim 25, sir.
Dude, do you know how bad I want to drag a land train? So bad. That land train is those. It's a regular semi, but with four or five trailers behind it. Oh, yeah. I want to pull one of those real, real hard, bad, real bad.
Well, I mean, you have the access. You just need to get them hooked up to each other and, you know, not expect to go to work the next morning. Funny thing, uh, farmer used to work for was wanting to do something kind of like that, but he didn't have the trucks with the right transmissions. He was only running 10 speeds and you needed 18 speed to drag fucking 60,000 pounds of grain. Damn. Just grain, let alone the truck weight. Yeah.
No kidding. I didn't want to try to slow that 130,000 pound son of a bitch down with 10 gears. You can get to going. That is no problem. It's the stopping part that'll get you. That's optional. Just stand on the brakes. It'll be fine. No, you just need to let off the gas about 30 miles outside your destination.
Actually, uh, he told me he's like if I see the brake lights come on on this truck I'm gonna to your ass because that pedal cost me money this switch doesn't cost me shit The jakes. Yeah. Yeah, injured breaks. Yeah
It reminds me of the time I was driving my 01 short box Dodge, which has a towing capacity of about 6,000 pounds, supposedly. And I had four tons of sand in a flatbed trailer trying to drag it back home.
I'm going. I get up. I'm getting up the nasty. I get up the hill. Okay. And that was fine enough because I'm doing 40 in second gear. Uh, but on the other side, I'm sitting on the brake and not a whole lot's happening. And that'll hold ABS light comes on. I'm like, that's not good. What's this light? Like I don't ignore that little guy. It didn't mean anything.
Funny thing was you were looking at your rotors glowing. What is that light? Is this that warning light they tell me about? It looks like the people who come down Pikes Peak, man, they get to stop halfway. They make them to stop halfway down because they're smoking their damn breaks the whole way down. And to be clear, I know how to use a transmission to slow the vehicle and it just
I have it in a low gear and I'm going slightly downhill and it's still speeding up. And I'm not sure I want to get down into first gear doing 30 miles an hour. Um, yeah, no. So little, uh, little about the sense and acceleration or a sense up and down hills and shit. Like that just real quick.
Before you get to it make sure you're in the right gear. Yeah, I mean You never know especially what you kind of know because there should be signs saying X percent grade for X amount of miles like there's one upside or outside with them part in the springs that is a 6% grade for seven miles so If you're coming off of that Even if you're just in a pickup just make sure that
I'm even automatic. You can choose your gear. Don't ride your brakes. More speed. If you have to ride your brakes, I mean, like, get fucking stopped on the side, pull over, let your brakes cool off, and then start changing gears down. Just more gas. At that point, you just got to get off the hill fast.
That that's what happens when that guy three, two years ago. Oh, yeah. Two years ago. A nice 70. Yeah, came down in I 70 at like mock Jesus. I think filled four people. Oh, my. Oh, he smoked his brakes, but he and a young kid, I think he was 20 or 21. But his employer said, if you take a runaway truck ramp, you're fired. So he didn't want to take a runaway truck ramp.
So he just let the brakes boil and sent a semi-load of lumber down the hill at 70 miles an hour when it came into gold and destroyed. I don't know how many cars, but it was a bad deal. That's some final destination shit. Yeah. But the good news is he kept his job. No. Don't be too proud to put it in the ditch.
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Okay. So we had a snow come early November. So early last month where we got a little over 30 inches of snow and it has killed our animal numbers. Like fucking smoked them. The rabbits are exploding.
There's rabbits everywhere, coyotes are going crazy. The deer in the antelope. No, no, no, I actually wasn't. You said they were exploding. I mean, they could be. Their numbers are exploding. It turns out there's land mines in Springfield. Exaggerations are up a thousand percent this year. The deer in the antelope
Uh, it's like that. It's like the envelope just for like, yeah, nope, the fuck out of here. I have seen one herd of antelope in two months. Geez. And it used to be where I'd see, oh, at least a herd of antelope every day on my way to work. It was usually the same one. But if I went on any other fucking route, I'd always find another herd of antelope. I'd always see some deer and shit. Now there's fucking.
nothing. They're fuck all. So, uh, I don't know how it's going to play into stuff next year, but if, uh, I, um, Coop, who you guys had on when I was gone, he was actually up here hunting antelope and I haven't talked to him recently, but I hope he got something because he was up north where I have seen antelope. So.
I think he did. I think I saw that three out of four hunters tax them. Great. Good. So that's awesome. But say all those about a half hour north of me. All those dead. All the damn pronghorn must have run four and a half hours north to where my parents live because I have never seen somebody pronghorn tracks over their acreage. Like everywhere.
It's like when they never see any fucking the pronghorn never come on my parrots 80 acres in my entire life hardly ever seen there at all. And now they're all over the place. Apparently talk about a place for land mines. Right. You can look up the satellite imagery from this storm and it's like there was a perfect fucking line from north to south, like two miles east of 287 highway, 287 down here in Springfield.
And it goes all the way up into almost Elizabeth to where it starts to kind of curl back in. But it's like when that happened, there was a 120 that got killed, 120 envelope that could kill just on the road down here because they were in the road and they wouldn't move and fucking. And those breaks were smoking, man.
Yeah, I didn't do any of them. Okay, that was a specific number, Dave. Do you know how bad I want to hit something with a plow? I mean, pretty bad. I have force to do unreasonable things. I have plowed dead shit off the road before.
which is disgusting because it fucking makes a mess because when you're plowing dead stuff off, you're like, oh, I got to go slow, just kind of push it. And then it smears its deadly juices all over all of my paint. And it is fucking awful. My truck has to say parked outside for a week because I can't pull it inside and stink up the shop.
Okay, I have a just real quick. I was I was out working doing my job that I'm not going to get into, but I had to drive down the side of the road and there's a jiggle coming around me. So I could not avoid. It's the middle of summer in Oklahoma. And I see up ahead a small animal, which I assume was a field rat that had been hit.
But it was bloated and looked like a small football and there was no way to avoid it. And I hit it with that right front tire and it burst in like splattered on that wheel. Well, and I had to smell it for the rest of the freaking day and it was not going anywhere. Normally I try to avoid hitting that stuff because, uh, but, uh, that was, that was a day. Yeah.
one of the days of all time. The rat grape right there. I'm not actively hunting forbidden animals with my plow. But it's one of those things I want to check off my list. Fish squeezer. He will definitely hit the brakes and do all proper caution to avoid all hitting or to avoid hitting all wildlife at all times.
What I've told is that legal display were breaking or swerving for wildlife is unsafe. Absolutely. It's dangerous. I just happened to turn. I just happened to swerve in the wrong direction and hit him. You can't slam on the brakes. If you have to slam on the brakes, then that's too much. No control breaking. Well, you want to give enough break to where your ABS doesn't kick on.
By the way, ladies, that's what they call it. By the way, ladies, Vince is for hire messages and Instagram. What am I for hire for? I don't know what. Never mind. We may be reference and we're moving on. Oh, the people, the people got it. All right. So out of the big bag of show titles, what I am digging out was the free roaming horses and burrows act of 1971.
Thank you, Richard Nixon. Actually, the genesis for this whole, this idea was a listener who goes by age and entropy in Nevada, because Nevada is where this is the bill's prevalent issue, and then slight similarities to feral camel, feral camel problems that in Australia, but it's not quite the one. And brombees. And what? Which are the wild brombees, which are the wild horses in Australia.
Which, if I go down to see Jack, I will also be shooting. What kind of word is Brumbi? Have you never seen Manfred Snowy River?
When I was a kid, I was more of a good we're talking Australian cowboy movies. It's it's a quickly down under weekly Yeah, like if you you want to go down there and play farmer I want to go down there and play quickly which unfortunately means Jack owns the ranch that makes him Alan Rickman the bad guy. So it's not gonna end well But you get to take a sharps
I mean, that's probably that would be a legal firearm in Australia, I bet. It better be fucking average load. Jesus. It's falling block breach load. I mean, come on. All right. Let's see here. Wild horses were seen as symbols of the pioneer spirit and integral to American heritage. So first, what is this nonsense? So first of all,
How do the horses get here? Horses actually came over here on the same old land bridge that a bunch of mammals came on back in the old caveman days until they were hunted to extinction by people.
Actually, I heard it was the opposite. I heard that the horse originated in North America. Oh, you're right. And spread to Europe from North America over said land bridge. My bad. But then we're hunted to extinction in the North in the Americas. You are actually a 100% right. I flipped it in my head.
They are native to the Americas. And then yeah, it went over. And then on that side, ran into these guys named the Mongolians who really liked their horses, just kidding. And got hunted to extinction in North America until the old Spanish dude showed up and then dropped some horses off. And then in 1982, spirit sailed the ocean blue and the horses came back to America. Um, the only response to that is what that
The giddy noptics said wild horses hunted the people that's what came to my mind was that it was the opposite humans were hunted to extinction in florida by the horses got it explains a lot of
Anywho, so most are all actually not all horse populations in the United States have their origin. Some of them actually genetically, I guess they've tested them back to like Spanish horses. So probably descendants of the ones the Spaniards came over on and either broke loose or were set free to go breathing the wild. Anyway.
That's the origin of wild horses. Um, yeah, I saw that thing too about them being seen as symbols of the pioneer spirit and integral to American heritage and thought that was kind of funny. Um, I mean, maybe a plow horse. Yeah. Back horse. America wouldn't be what it is without horses. Even to this day. We've done it with donkeys. It's a bone row.
The horses did kind of reshape the American continent after the introduction of pathogens to North America, because it gave certain groups who were willing to utilize the horse to its full advantage, distinct advantages and warfare over their neighbors who were not. A real quick unsung hero of the foundation of America, I think, is oxen.
They're always overshadowed by that is true. Yes Dave what is an oxen and why not just call it a big cow, but it's a big fucking Kyle apparently said different species It is not quite buffalo bigger than cow Yeah, fair enough. All right, so
So to riff on that other, the part about the horses and Native Americans a little bit more. Yes. Like after the introduction of smallpox to North America, if we talk about do it. All of the, all of these different tribes have warrior cultures.
There was a massive die off of people. North America was basically Mad Max with horses going into the 17th and 18th centuries. That's a short title. Seriously. What we see here after the
We start the colonization, colonialization of the Americas was not like we're pushing out the people who were here before. The people who were here before were mostly dead. What was left over was what rose out of what was probably a fairly normalized interconnected continent that was ravaged by deadly diseases.
in true the horse which is basically the motorcycle of the fifteen hundreds all i have to say is so chariots in the ancient world caught on the four guys riding on the back of horses because a horses are smaller back then and be somebody at least have the common sense to say i'm not climbing on that thing that thing is skittish it bucks me off
It'll act normally up until it sees some of some tiny infinitesimal law. They didn't have plastic bags on the ground back then, but in modern times, you know, horses doing fine. And then, uh, oh, there's a bag stuck to that fence. Oh God. Oh God. Next thing you know, your horse is trying to fricking kill you. Um, yeah. And then they invented rednecks and someone decided to ride a horse, which is what I was doing to guy that tried.
It's like just hanging on by ears around the neck underneath the head. I don't know. And then somebody had the bright idea to sit on top of it. And then we perfected the practice by sitting upon the horse. Oh boy.
Now chariots were prevalent over, you know, people riding on horses, then horses got bigger and then people started sitting on horses and then the stirrup was invented. And then you have the birth of heavy cavalry in the medieval period, which is just, uh, and then it keeps on going on before, you know it. And then you got dudes riding around the civil war, shooting braces of pistols at each other and then cavalry dies out and becomes tanks. Anyway, really quickly, actually fairly quickly.
getting out there says god bless john wane and chuck Norris for domesticating those feral beasts for us are you talking about rednecks oh i would assume so john wane was actually a hell of a horseman he's he better be that dude he can control horse he better be that's all i have to say um all right so
I was doing research because I should have and did on the free roaming what I'm not going to call this free wild free roaming horses and burrows active 1971 because that's a mouthful. But leading up to that. There were already population control issues with wild horses and it's particularly it's Nevada on the enough that Nevada has let's see.
I got to find out my numbers here. This is highly professional here. 86,000 was 86,000 on BLM managed lands in total, like across the country. Nevada has something like 35,000 of them. Nevada has the bulk of them all planted in Nevada, probably mostly because Nevada is like 82% publicly owned land and it's dry and arid there. So fewer predators, fewer competition, so on and so forth.
You don't want to go. You don't want to anecdote about where I hunt down in southeast Oklahoma. Sure. That area has feral wild horses that were many of them probably descended. So do you know the movie Hidalgo? Yep. Yep.
Based on a true story, he did indeed release the horse into the wild in that area of southeast Oklahoma. And there are feral horses that hang out down there and can be kind of a pain in the ass. I learned about them not recently. I learned about it.
15 years ago when I went up there horseback riding with my dad and uncles and the people who you know kind of ran this trail riding service and cabins up there were like Yeah, y'all got to be kind of careful. There's wild horses around here You're you're gonna be on your horses and they kind of don't like that
that there's unfamiliar horses in the area. So though there's this one stallion that's going to probably, if he sees you, he's going to come and try and mess with you. Like, oh, that's nice. Cool. Anyway, that's my anecdote. He just wants a hug.
Anyway, so population numbers prior to going into the 1940s, 50s and 60s with wild burrows and horses started seeing a pretty sharp decline with the advent of motorized vehicles because suddenly rounding these things up became a hell of a lot easier than doing it on a horse. So I personally think it's a bit of an interesting story of unintended consequences because I can sympathize somewhat with the
the motivation to put some protections on them because that way people aren't just roaming around trying to, I mean, because they were competition for other livestock and going through and trying to eradicate them. I get that part.
The funny part about it in the consequences is the pendulum swings so far in the other direction that now you end up in a situation where there are so many damn horses and you can't do anything about them that isn't super expensive, not permanent solutions, or just flat out doesn't work.
Generally speaking with the non-lethal alternatives, I had to Google what wild horse fertility control looked like because the first thing that popped to mind is guys trying to lasso horses and do vasectomies on them, which I would love to see somebody do without anesthesia. That would be fun. You just banned them. They don't actually. That seems like they hit them with hormones that they dart them from a distance from the air. They will go. I could see it.
Yeah, then there's claims that the medicine is supposed to be effective for one to two years. Efficacy of that, you seem like it's a little bit in doubt, but it does seem like it's fairly effective. I just feel like having the skill and the money to get paid to shoot things from a helicopter just is starting to sound much more and more like I missed out on something. Are you saying there needs to be a trade school for it?
Like why isn't there? Where's the college courses for that? I'm pretty sure there is, but you got to join the military and become an aerial gunner on a helicopter. I try. They didn't want me. They said that was too stupid. I thought your head wouldn't fit in one of those. These days probably I get rejected for that. I mean, my head wasn't that big that back then. This is a newer problem. This is a growing problem. Pretty soon, I'm not going to fit in any hat.
You should have that checked out. Actually, it's just because I'm fat now. Where do I used to be? That's the entire issue. I have head fat that I didn't used to have before. There's like fat on my skull and it's not like super bad fat, but it's just enough to make my head grow by about a centimeter and a half. What's funny is I see Dave typing. Yep.
Oh boy. So there's, if you look at the expenditure for taxpayer costs on the bill of the Wild Horse and Borough programs, it's like $157 million annually as of 2023. $50 million of that for off range holding facilities, housing, you know, we're moved horses. $53 million spent since, I mean,
53 since 2006 is not terrible per year, but on Roundup helicopter roundups, which to me Sounds almost as dope as shooting them because I guess imagine being the helicopter pilot who's just flying around I mean chasing horses all day long They used to do that, but they had to ride horses Yeah, but now you get to ride a horse in the sky
fascinating stuff what okay that changes the that changes the song goes riders in the sky quite a bit yeah I'm not sure why he can't catch that herd anymore if you got a fucking helicopter what's your excuse man he's got to catch that herd and suddenly fortunate sun blaring in the background
And it turns out your horse fertility controlled gun is actually a machine gun.
Oh shit, we dirted that one three times. Oops. Look, you can watch his ball shrinking. It's just like in Red Dead Redemption. Look, his balls are shrinking. Anyway, part of the insustainability is I did not know this. Actually, now I guess I kind of did. The horses breed like fucking rabbits. The population doubles every four to five years.
out there. So if there's 86,000 of them now in four to five years, there's going to be another 70, 80,000 of them on top of that. And then ecological strains with overgrazing, soil degradation, they compete with pronghorn and sage grass big time. If you've ever seen horses, they don't graze as intensively in my experiences like cattle do, but they nib it down pretty good.
You know, four to five years, one of the things there is there are very few apex predators that can take down a horse. So they have to target young animals, but young animals can still run really fast. In general, horses are kind of fragile creatures, like any kind of leg injury and they're pretty much dead. Yeah. Growing up in my dad breeding horses and always trying to get a foal out of one, it seemed like most of them died.
So four to five years, I have to assume that the wild horses are just generally hardier, and that that's an actual example, whereas if you have the ones that the foals tend not survive, that directly ends up in the gene pool, and you have the hardier animals that do tend to survive.
You know, they probably don't get colic. Nilly is often, which therefore, or at all, which therefore prevents having to go out there and walk a horse in small circles for hours on end. Ask me how I know. Yeah. Yep. Colic. One of the dumbest things like, oh, horse is a little constipated and then it dies. Your horse has died of dysentery.
Like, how did, how did these animals actually survive in the wild? It'll make you stop and think that, but anyway, I was working at a ranch, uh, here a few years ago and they were big horse people like had a little over 200 horses. That's what they did. That's a lot of rope and horses, like 40,000 dollar rope and horses.
And I don't know exactly what happened. We thought it was like a bad batch of hay. Like Mysa got into it or there was mold or something like that. I'm not shitting you. These horses were fucking possessed. Eyes bulging out of their head and they were fucking red.
And they were biting the corrals and they fight it and they wouldn't let go. I mean, like fucking pulling on it. And I don't know how many died. Uh, five or six that night. And we're like, what in the fuck is going on here? Fucking having a hook saddle horses up to drag dead horses out of the fucking alley. And it was one of the strangest things I have ever fucking seen. And it was.
Man, that sounds like like night of the living dead, but with horses. I don't know. That's it. It was alien abduction shit right there. Yeah. Don't like that. I've never seen a horse. Nope. Fight like a bottom rail of a panel and wouldn't fucking let it go. Just kept pulling on it. I mean, I put your own cribbing teeth out.
I know cribbing is a thing with horses, but that's kind of weird and different. My assumption is the five to six dead horses were shot because they were trying to escape. No, they just died. They were doing the same stupid bullshit. Laid over and died in the alley. Just don't like that. I'm going with. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Aliens and or demons were both.
Domesticated horses are super fucking picky, and if you want to know, talk to a horse girl. Horse girl? Yeah, like girls that love horses. They're very, very picky with their horse gets. They're also insane. Don't talk to them. You might be fooled. It's a quiet kind of insane.
Oh, it definitely is like they seem normal on the surface and happy and then. Man, that deal boy. No, it's way too calm. It's like they'll kill you in your sleep kind of calm. They won't yell at you. You'll just die. They won't kill you in your sleep. They will just set you on fire in your own pickup. That is hooked to their trailer.
Because fuck that trailer didn't want to anyway. But the good news is you will end up the subject of a country song. Someday probably and a Netflix documentary. Ooh, that too. Anyway, any who get back on topic a little bit. Are you kidding on topic? Never.
So something's talking about horses. I know talking about horses. Um, it turns out, and I'm not surprised at all, there is basically no push to have, I mean, there's individuals doing it, but there is no heavyweight at all behind trying to have feral horses listed as a game species.
I assume it's because the just imagine the optics on showing up to collect petitions. Can you sign this please? Oh, yeah, what's it for? Um, we're gonna hunt horses. Yeah, I get it kind of, but at the same time, it's a wild animal and they need to be managed. There's like I said, I just fucking yeah.
I can see it from the original point of view of the legislation being passed, which was you essentially have extermination programs going on in some places, not widespread, because that would be painting it probably too broad of a brush. But you know, you'd have cases of like, you know, they're at that point, seeing was passed and let's just exterminate them. They're not an invasive species in the sense like camels are down in Australia. But at the same time,
If the population has, I mean, this is what's wrong with wildlife management via legislation like that ballot box is worse, but doing it by legislation is not that much better. If the legislation itself is so inflexible, it doesn't leave options open to, okay, if the population gets high enough, like, you know, where we can de-list these things like they're supposed to be doing with grizzly bears.
then they need to do it so that the population doesn't swing so far in the other direction that it costs taxpayers hundreds of millions dollars per year. It costs private individuals a hell of a lot of money because they have wild horses wrecking their fences, wrecking their, I mean, grazing land and so on and so forth. But we can't do anything about it besides triking them full of hormones and turning the frickin horses gay. Man, I hate to say this, but this, unfortunately, this is one place where
an executive administrative agency is the correct avenue to put this kind of power and control. And I don't like that, but it kind of, that's where it works because you, okay, just looking at Oklahoma, Oklahoma in, I forget exactly the year, but like 1930, 1940, somewhere around there had about a thousand white till dear total in the entire state.
before they were protected in any way. And the conservation efforts were put under the Department of Wildlife and their numbers slowly grew and their reintroduction efforts. And then whenever their numbers got large enough, then there were hunting seasons introduced so that you could start hunting them to control the population.
And that was possible without having to add on legislation to change what the goal was, because the goal was to save the species, but also allow them to be hunted as they had been hunted in the past.
And having the national level legislation that you really can't go because I don't think we got into whatever the happy go lucky horses and donkeys act was of 1971. But you can't go kill them. They're protected federally. You can't hunt them. You can't. I'm pretty sure you can't shoot them if they're destroying your stuff. You can't. They are self defense only in it.
It's pretty much self defense only. Yeah. Yeah. So that was really and truly they were coming right for me. So Sean Maloney would be fucking impressed if he got a call from second call defense saying, Hey, this guy needs protected in a horse slaughter case. They were coming right for me. How many about 20? Yeah.
Turns out, if you shoot the first one, the ones behind it trip over them, and they all break their ankles and legs, and so after that, you just gotta go clean them all up. So that's the problem. Their populations get too large, and then you have to go out of your way, not even you. I'll even back up. You have to then spend money on strange programs
to control the populations of these animals. It's costing taxpayers money to control the populations of wild horses that are causing damage and out-competing other animals in the ecosystem that have actual natural predators along with human predators
when people would spend their own money to go help control that population.
You know what's dumb? If you go buy a horse from the from, you know, the auction that was going to go to the dog food slaughterhouse, you can go kill that thing and eat it if you want. Don't tempt me. You can shoot and kill and eat your own horse. So what you're saying is we just listen to my words. We just have to go adopt them all first and then it's legal to kill them. People will just give you a horse. It's like, I can't take care of it anymore. Like I'll take care of it.
Oh, that's like it was earlier this year somebody on next door the app for this area Was trying to offload two pigs it had in bold letters. These are pets not for eating. I was just like, oh, yeah. Mm-hmm. Yep. I'm gonna take real good care of these guys. Mm-hmm What you're saying is they're super fat and so I can render a lot. They're super Go I think I've told the story about my uncle figured out that you could get like
garbage horses from auctions for no money at all. And it was cheaper than buying ground beef. Even if you had somebody else slaughter them and process the meat. And so he's free. He did that a few times. And then there was that time his brother gave him a horse. And then he ate it. Was there a caveat? I'm going to give you this horse. Now don't eat this one.
There was not a caveat. He just. Oh, well, then, you know, a little miffed after finding out. What did he expect? It was a good burger, though, wouldn't it? So Pancho, no. Going back to the wild horses and stuff. Colorado has his program. It's called, I can't remember what it's exactly called, but it's essentially a damage hunt.
And it's for elk over in the San Luis Valley by like the great sand dunes National Park and adjacent. And you have to apply. And then you if you're accepted, like if your application is accepted, you have to go out and do a shooting test. And in that shooting test, you have to do a 200 yard like
kneeling shot or standing and then a 300 yard prone shot like oh Okay, and within 90 seconds you have to put like two or three of each scenario in 90 seconds or five minutes fuck. I can't remember anyway You go out and you get to hunt elk out of season you can shoot
Bulls are cows. If you shoot a bull, you can't keep the antlers. You can't keep the head. Boo. Yeah. Sorry. You can keep all the meat that you want. I had a reaction, but you can go out and shoot. I don't know how many elk. I don't think there's a limit. It's just their quota of what they want killed that spring. It's completely out of season.
spring, summer, something like that. But I don't see why something like that wouldn't at least be a step in the right direction with these horses. I think it will open it totally to a draw system, but get your foot in the door with some damage. I think it would be an option except for the legislation doesn't allow for any wiggle room there.
which was the point between behind saying that, yeah, doing this stuff. I mean, yeah, Vince is right. As much as we don't want to be like, oh, yes, executive powers, the way to do it, at least there.
You have flexibility versus if you pass a law that says this is a protective species end of story. The only way to get that repealed is to go back and pass another law. And again, who is going to get elected to Congress and show up for work one day and go, all right, so I want to write a bill. What we can do? We're going to kill horses.
Yeah, horses that will be used against you everywhere you go. You're you'll go up for reelection. It'll be like, Oh, look, it's the horse killer. He's so evil. And no one's based enough to go. Have you tasted horse? Right. Or the fact that they are just livestock.
They're not or the fact that like many animals. They're toward tools like many animals. We fall in love with them. We enter and throw them back. I always screw that up. We give them the entero mamore entropomorphize. Is that the word? Antropomorphize. There we go. That's the word. We anthropomorphize. Stop saying it.
Especially if you're somebody who's never had a prize. Exactly. If you're someone who's never actually had to deal with horses, it's kind of like cows. They look all cute. They're dumber than boxing rocks. Last horse I was on. Watch the horse in front of it is a one-eyed horse. So I'll give it this excuse. Maybe it didn't see the tree. Watch the horse in front of it go left around a big, bushy tree. And I'm like, all right.
pull the rain over a little bit trying to steal. Oh, no, I went the other direction, ran me through the tree, ripped my shirt up. Like you dumb fucking horse. Like, well, you had one eye. That's the only excuse I'll give you is you had one eye. But that's probably why that horse had one eye. All right. Some horses are incredibly dumb. Some are also incredibly smart and vindictive assholes. And I'm going to tell you straight up that horse ran you into the tree on purpose.
It totally did. I was being nice to him. Look at this bitch on my back. Without question, that horse ran you into that tree on purpose. Because guess what? I've had horses do that. And I had a Shetland pony and it was the worst. He was just the worst. He would just run you into anything he could because he didn't want you on his back. So what you're saying is fucking scooter ran me into the tree on purpose. Smaller, the horse bigger the asshole. Yep. Totally.
fucking quiet deals general drains one step to my foot one time i thought i was gonna piss my pants but so i mean yeah
At this point, I think with the population of 86,000, you could probably do a lottery system on them. If you just want them to go full out, just classify them as big game species, put a lottery on them. People are going to apply for that tag. I had to apply for that tag. I wouldn't want to pay out of state resident on it, but you know, hey, I'd apply for that tag. I mean,
50 million annually for off-range holding facilities and 53 million since 2006 on helicopter roundups and baiting operations. I mean, all of that goes away with people.
choosing to pay their own money to go manage the population I mean it's just that okay and see that's we I mean I've talked about it before the whole difference between preservationist and conservationist
ideology and that the preservationist wants us to be in our own little zoo and to not mess with these species at all, except special people who get to go out there and do all the work and that we have to pay for that work. Whereas in conservation, the citizen scientist to use the annoying term goes out there and does it themselves and they're willing to pay their own money to do it.
Like that is a really annoying term citizen scientist. Don't ever say that again. I'm sorry. I did ballot box biology. It's late. I've used up all my my other words for the day. Oh no. So yeah. All of that expenditure goes away and it people who don't so like what y'all with in Colorado recently with the
The mountain lion hunting band if if that had gone not banned ban, definitely not a band. If that ban had gone through, then the number of lines being killed every year would have been the same. It's just the taxpayers would have been paying for those mountain lions to be killed instead of hunters paying to do it. Of their own accord through purchase of tags and also the secondary
money being spent on, uh, you know, gear and camping equipment and guns and ammunition and guides. Cause you know, there would spring up a guide service around that because somebody would just be like, fuck it. Tell me where the, take me where the horses are. And dog, let me in the right direction. I'll shoot them. The guy who was like, I'm going hunting, I need a truck instead of this car and goes out and just freaking buys a truck. You know, it's, it generates money. It generates.
economic activity. Whereas if the government's just doing it, they're paying bottom basement dollars for equipment that people or companies are basically throwing at them so that they can get future contracts. Anyway, I want to kill wild horses. You're so evil. I would also eat the wild horses. Oh, I'd eat them at a heartbeat.
I'm not sure. I'm not sure. I'm going to turn them into hot dogs. But that's a muscle fire and a muscle fire and a muscle fire. And then you get this tubular meat. I could go. I don't know how it would be. But like horseback strap. Well, but it's delicious.
See, my problem is I'm imagining like a yearling, like, ooh, that's got to be tender. Mm hmm. Oh, yeah. We've got to get people out of the mindset that horses are pets. I never have a problem. They're not. We missed the opportunity after we switched from horse to car to make horses food. Mm hmm.
And it sat there long enough that people decided horses were pets instead of transportation. We made the choice, pets or food. We have cow that make milk. We make that beef, too. I mean, if we could race cows, we probably would have decided cows were pets, too. But it's not as exciting as racing horses. Sir, they do race cows.
Can you imagine quartering out and packing out a fucking horse? You're talking about an animals every time. Yeah. I mean, that's the, that's what it's in. That's the zone. It's in right there. You would need one. In fact, I don't have room for one. It was going to share. That's why you make just a bunch of horse jerky and give to your friends for Christmas. And you really hope your pack horses don't take it personal.
They're too dumb to know. You don't let them see the kill site. You carry them. You hit them about a hundred yards away. You imagine all the glue you get. Well, it's like this is the thing. We have to be, we got to go even further than just using every part. We have to use every parts like the geese. We're making pillows next year, the horse. We're making our own glue.
And what do you do today? Rendering glue. Dusky says it great. They're pets. They're food. They're also pet food. That is phenomenal. I've, man, I kind of want to integrate that into the title somehow, but I don't know how pets food. Well, that's good. I mean, we could do it real simple on the title and just have the title be horses. They're pets. They're food. They're also pets food.
I'm in for it. I like that. We'll talk about it. Anyway, there's another question here from chaotic 117 in other countries that eat them. Are they hunted or raised and slaughtered?
I think it depends if you're in Australia, they're going to be hunted because you're talking about wild horses. True. The countries I'm aware that eat them on the regular are European. Yeah, I shouldn't even say on the regular, but that do eat them or tend to be European countries. Well, they just eat them like they're any other animal that you eat. To be fair, in Australia, they're not hunted. They're cold.
Like you draw a tag and you go hunt them. You just kill them. And if you've seen them raggedy bitches, they can just stay there and he can burn them with the camels. They're fucking nasty looking horses. My God. I mean, some of the ferrals and that I've seen pictures of in Nevada are nasty looking too, man. Leather is leather. It's just already pre-tanned.
the Chesapeake Bay wild horses, and those looked like normal-ass horses. Granted, I mean, it could have been the climate on a coastline, but they look healthy, thick horses. Was it here we were talking about, we're not here. So when you're talking about leather, if you see the term common leather, that's horse leather.
Because if you actually put horse leather instead of cow leather or elk or deer, people get all mad. I believe it. It's a people thing about these horses. Oh, it's totally. It is. It is. It's, it's, it's 10 times worse than the whole Bambi thing. Yeah. What is the difference between Bambi and Cabao? Besides you, you can ride Cabao.
The people who all they know about deer is the movie Bambi and like, you can't kill Bambi. That's so terrible. What's wrong with you? And then horses are 10 times worse. And then Vince comes out. I was like, yep, 58 pounds. I brought that. I forgot that. I forgot that. I forgot we were given a hard time for killing the smallest deer.
No, I wasn't giving them hard time. Fucking it kills a kill man. He's up. They're glassed. It's like, wait, that fuck. That was too big, too big. If you haven't watched the incomplete deer hunter series, like from back in the early 2000s with Jeff Fox where the you need to do it because it goes through the whole stages of like when your buddy kills a deer, it's like a big one. It's like, oh, he's looking at the rack and everything is like, yeah, it's a dandy.
And then it gets down to like a font size and it's like, damn, look at the size of the feed on that thing. He's going to be good. You know, you know what's sad? I'm, I am 90% certain that the deer I killed this year, no matter how small it was, was not the smallest deer I have ever killed.
The deer's rifle season. There's 13. This dough would not go away. It keeps staring at me and blowing and I'm sitting in the stand. I'm like, just freaking go away. And I'm like, it doesn't look that small. And finally, it would not go away. So I shot it and I get up to it. I'm like, Oh, no. Oh, no, this dough has spots. It's like it was one step above that.
I dragged it up a hill and did not break a sweat. The spots were tinted. I didn't even got it. I was just dragging it up the hill walking like this is bad. This is bad and I feel bad. It's so tender. He just fucking peels it open like a duck and just peels out the backstrap. It's like a banana just like in there and there we go. It's all ready to go.
My dog is easier is harder to walk than this thing is to drag. I still remember I felt bad. I mean, I felt bad. Oh, man. Should I tell people about this? Maybe I should just walk away. Oh, boy. Anyway, it was a tiny deer.
Yeah, but it's still a deer. I wonder. I wonder how Boone and Crockett would measure a horse. I bet you horses come on Pope and Young first. That'd be some kind of skull measurement. Yeah, skull measurement. I think it would be skull measurement or would it be just overall weight like they do in Maine with deer?
I would guess it'd be a mixture of that. Also, the shoulder height, you know, just get some big of a horse you got. You got some tiny ass little fucking Mustang thing. Or do you have, you know, the descendant of some farmer's quarter horse that ran off. Girth and measurement plus tail length plus skull length.
Imagine measuring the tail like it's a frickin turkey. Yeah. Like a beard. Yeah. Oh, wait, what did you say? Tail length, girth and skull. Imagine a maxed out horse for the whole adventure. It's just round as hell with a huge head and a little tail. Hey, top of huge heads around here. That's rude.
I'm going to do it with a huge head and a fat ass and just the biggest beer belly in the world. But also the height of a donkey. Oh my God, it's Danny DeVino.
though they measure them. What was the, what was the fucking Randy's penis measurement from South Park? It was like, your time's height, you divided by the angle or something like that. Get you your adjusted horse score. Equals. Nice.
Dusty says like a cow We start hearing you start hearing them instead of hunters going up at the mountains and killing a moose and burying it It's like hunter mistakes cow for horse Okay, so there are also feral cows a lot of them in Arizona. Yeah, I mean That's how the whole Texas cattle trade was founded rounded up some of the feral fucking cows
Some of the coolest stories I've read are about people hunting feral cattle in the highlands of Hawaii. Uh-huh. It sounds fun. What about the feral chickens? Less so. Feral pigs too. But insert Mike Cox joke. Feral cock. It's like he's still here with us.
Would you call that a egg? He stole with us in here in spirit He's not dead us saying more dead jokes. I don't understand it. He's not dead. He's just absent like your dad Do he will that's what's what happened Mike went out to get his computer fixed. He never came home
Welcome to 2024. Wow. Jesus. Well, kids, I need to go get my phone fixed. Never came back. We don't drink milk. We're vegan. It's almond milk. Dad would have to get a gallon of almond milk. And to get his MacBook replaced. Wanders back in 17 years later, like, man, those almonds were hard to milk.
So we got that Prado though. Oh, and he went duck hunting yesterday. I saw his, uh, cause I drove past where he works and I saw the damn, uh, kayak strapped to the top of the Prado still. Still like, was it removed prior, but to make last month, maybe, maybe not. That's question for him.
All right. Well, to put a bow on that, call your senator and advocate for the killing of wild horses. There may be a state near you. OK, what I would say is I don't even know. This situation we have with the wild horses is where some people want all wild game to be.
And that's a problem. So this wasn't meant because as I was figuring out the show notes, it was like, is there going to be some like, what's the call to action on this? And it took a little while to get into the groove on it. There's not really a call to action on it. It's more of a, and this is how I wish it's how this is kind of how it developed in conversation. I wish I had had the time or the mindset to frame it out beforehand for the conversation. It's more of like a cautionary tale almost.
It's like, look, if you let them do this kind of stuff, and if you let your feed feeds get ahold of you, where it's like, oh no, well, you know, who really wants to hunt a horse anyway, you can end up in a situation where you have a population that is so over the top now, so overpopulated that you're dumping money into it.
so that you can frickin trank horses from a distance and round them up and basically put them in horse storage. Now, a lot of those horses are eventually people try to adopt them out, but I mean, that's a feral horse. That's a gamble on its own. And I'll say my dad has adopted Mustangs and based.
Two varying success, I think. Some of them have really accept people. And for some reason, it seems like the people they fail to accept the most are children. Like they'll get used to adult, don't like children, those weird little things. Yeah, probably size and then just energy. Yeah. And yeah, it was a cautionary tale of what could happen if
We make this kind of legislation for other things. It's just kind of scary. Colorado's wild, Colorado's a wild cat, not a specific species, but talking about our wild cat species. They would have, I mean, they would have gone overpopulated eventually big time. Yes.
I kind of like this wrap up that you have for this. I think we might. You could read that if you wanted and kind of close that out. Okay. Sorry. You just reminded me of the time Mike wrote a big long wrap up. And I think it had to do with the cat hunting band in Colorado. And he had talked about not reading it verbatim. And then he turned around and read it verbatim plus extras.
Yeah, and new is riffing throughout the whole thing. I thought you meant...
Yeah, he was like, I'm not going to read it before the show. He's like, I'm not going to read it verbatim. I'm just going to skim through it. I'm just getting my thoughts down. It's like, all right. Cool. That's fine. And then, yeah, I'm not going to read it verbatim. And verbatim is like a popcorn kernel and then it just pops. And then that's what he did. He keeps popping too, because he would. And he, and you know what, fair enough, he had good points, but I just think it's funny that he talked about condensing it. And then every four sentences he'd stop and go, Oh yeah. And by the way,
It's like, wait a minute, I've been sold a false bill of goods here. He got real emotional in that one. He started saying the fuck word a lot. Good. I'm not saying this to riff on him. I'm just saying I thought it was going to read this. I thought it was funny because it reminded me of like, oh, yeah. Pepperage farmer members, the wrap up that was written up here.
was that legislation intended to promote conservation, such as the Wild Free Roaming Horses and Burroughs Act of 1971. Oh, I'm going to pull a mic and riff when it comes to wild burroughs. Don't be like those idiots who took short-barreled rifles in their night vision into California, tonne coyotes, mistakenly shot wild burroughs, posted pictures of it all over the internet, and then got slapped with a whole bunch of felonies for it.
That was a few that was a couple of two three years ago. There's a bunch of guys that were going under like the Instagram and they had like their own little night vision company called Gloom Group. Yeah, they they murked a wild burrow or two. And rather than going like, oh, shit, that's not I mean, first of all, don't take. Don't take illegal rifles that are legal in California into California. That's asking for trouble.
I know I love freedom to but for your own personal welfare. Don't do stupid shit. And then yeah, they shut the. Oh, look, it's a coyote bang. Oh, rather than rather than looking at going, Oh, shit, let's get the hell out of here. Oh, no, let's take pictures of that and post it on the internet. I just don't understand how I don't. This is why you have to have 640 thermal thermal.
because it was dark outside and they were looking in there. I think they shot at something that moved out. Anyway, while it's a fucking donkey. I mean, I disagree. It's a little bit. It's a little far off from a coyote, but all right. 40 pounds versus 800 or how even 400. Yeah. And one of them, one of them howls and one of them makes that really annoying noise every morning.
That's a hell of a thing to be woken up by. What? I'm going to clip that. Go ahead. It's a hell of a sound to be woken up by in the morning. I'll start over. Legislation intended to promote conservation such as the Wild Free Roaming Horses and Burrows Act of 1971 often achieves its initial goals but can lead to unintended consequences when its rigid application doesn't account for changing circumstances.
While the act successfully protected wild horses from exploitation and inhumane treatment, its lack of provisions for sustainable population control has resulted in overpopulation, habitat degradation, and increased competition with other wildlife and livestock.
The laws emphasis on protecting or protection without flexibility has created a situation where non-lethal management methods like fertility control are needed but aren't always sufficient to prevent long-term ecological damage. This highlights the challenge of balancing immediate conservation goals
with need for adaptive ongoing management that can address evolving environmental and population dynamics. That last sentence is kind of the hook. Actually, the last half of a sentence because ongoing management to address evolving environmental and population dynamics. That's the problem with this crap is that what happened with what the picture looks like in 1971 is not how the picture looks like in 2024. That was correct. 53 years ago.
Fuck it was. That's a really long time ago. For some reason, the 70s don't feel that far away. Oh boy. I mean, evolving environmental and population dynamics that that comes into a lot of things. City deer, black bears, lions, horses. That's it's a whole swath of stuff there too.
You know how bad people are about deer that come into their yard and eat their bushes, and they're like, oh, they're so cute. If it was horses, you know how much worse it would be. I feed the wild horses in my yard. I mean, while the rest of the neighborhood's like, stop it, lady.
the people who wine and moan and yell about hunting elephants in Africa. And then you go to like Zimbabwe and they're like, hey, why don't we take these and put them in your backyard, see how you like it. And the fact is that elephants damage a lot of stuff. And there's a lot of people in Africa way more than you think. There's actually way less wilderness in Africa than there is in North America and elephants.
break a lot of things, as you might imagine. They're kind of big. I vote we call horses cowboy moose from now on. Oh, that's one of those. Dave's onto something. We just need to rebrand them. We need to take away. It's all marketing. The whore. Yeah, it's just marketing. We just need to come up with a new name that's not pleasant, like,
Like I was still is a heavy cowboy moves. Yeah, something. We need an unpleasant name and then basically the whole marketing campaign to eliminate the scourge and only show the nasty ones that are like, look like they're fricking disease ridden. We'll turn the ship around in no time. Oh, man, we got a, I hate to even go there, but we need to call them Trump, dear. They're a distinct species from the domesticated horse.
And these ones are fascists. A paint would be a spotted Trump deer. Pee bald, sir. Pee bald. Oh, yeah. Pye bald. Pye bald, whatever. All right. Well, that's the end of that. I really want to shoot horses now. Wild horses.
See, but even on its face, that sounds like a really weird thing to say because we've all been culturally conditioned to think that that's wrong. Yeah. It's kind of that thing where Mike's been like, I want to eat a coyote, but a coyote's basically just a dog. You just have to be willing to, well, you have to find a clean one, which is kind of harder with coyotes than with other animals that we tend to hunt.
And then you have to get over it in your head that, okay, I can and should be eating this. I'm kind of regretting not taking some of that coyote meat just to try and see because man, that was a clean coyote. If I had got to mine earlier than what I did, I would have
I would have cut off me. So not for me. I would have sent it to Mike too. Are we going to create like Mike's not here? So let's just let's just volunteer him. Are we going to create like a little pact that when we go cut coyotes in March or April or whatever that if we kill a good looking clean one we're going to take just a little nibble off that back strap and see how it cooks out.
You know, the pie doesn't seem like a lot of backstrap. The backstrap doesn't seem like there's much there. Dave's not even entertaining this idea. He's like, no, no, no, no, I am entertaining this idea. Oh, but I think we go full out. I think we do rotisserie front shoulder. I think we do.
some rib meat, little flank steak off a coyote, maybe some backstrap. Good point. Or once that are like the size of a pencil, and then we'll do some sort of roast with the ham. Good point. I'm not eating any of it. Oh, the white is all about it though. Well, I mean, you raise a good point, which could be maybe there's a part of the coyote that tastes pretty damn good.
Look, if you cook it 160 degrees internal temperature, I'll eat it. Well, the thing is Michael eat anything and say that everything tastes good. So we could do any of this and he'd be like, yep, I'd eat that. The kicker is he cannot make bulgogi with it. It has to be a dumb down something where you actually got coyote flavor, not
Well, that's where that's where you do like the tenderloin that way, but then you stage out different, you know, cuts for different recipes. Yeah, we just have like a big coyote potluck. I felt weird telling my son. If we ever have a listener meetup, we're going to call it the big coyote. The price of entry is you have to bring your favorite coyote recipe.
Uh, my son was like, dad, we haven't killed me deer yet while we're down here. Shouldn't we take some of the meat from this coyote? And I'm just sitting there like, uh, Oh, I don't. That's not how this works. You insulted me in one of the worst ways that you like, but you didn't even know it. I like where your mind's at, but also no, no. I, I,
I entertained it. Maybe if I'd been at home where I could immediately put this in the freezer, but I was not going to see how coyote meat fared in the cooler for two days. I know what deer meat do with that. I wasn't going to play one plan. Yeah. Well, I say, if we get a good looking one, we force feed it to Mike first and see what happens. Okay. We'll do it service.
We'll do the buttermilk. Were you soaking in buttermilk or not? And then maybe a light marinade and either roast it or grill it. I don't want to do pulled coyote. Really? Because that's just, no, I mean, yeah, that could be an option later, but
If I'm gonna eat coyote, I'm gonna eat coyote. I'm not going to eat barbecue sauce. I mean, we could just do a pot roast. Mississippi pot roast. I think we changed this to Arkansas pot roast. We don't insult Mississippi pot roast as such. Okay, fair. Florida pot roast. You can do Oklahoma pot roast. That's fine. Florida pot roast is Gator. Outro DC pot roast. Yeah.
All right, I'm game Dakota pot roast. Let's do it. It's going to be a small one, though. We're not shooting a big old nasty fucking coyote. Oh, no, it's going to be. Yeah, it's going to be small, small and tender and nice and pink on the inside and not all. Yeah. How bad I want to coyote as a pet, but I know it won't last.
I'll shoot the fucking thing. I run around my yard. Oh, fuck. Oh, that was fucking lucky. You're not so lucky now. The more I think about it, I wish I could have taken the meat from the coyote that I shot because it was big, but it was not nasty in any way. It was like, this is a,
two year old coyote that has not been in a lot of fights or anything like that. And it's just clean, man. That was the one I think.
I highly doubt I'll find another one like that. Though I think the Sunday after Christmas, maybe I'm going to be trying to flesh out that hide and start the tanning process. It's already been in the freezer for a month and I need to do something with it. I got further information on that too. And my father-in-law used to back when coyote hides were actually worth something.
They used to scan and flush a lot of coyotes. And he said that, yeah, the hair will tend to fall off, but they have left hides in the freezer for up to a year. And they were fine. Okay. So it's not like not right. I don't think that's it. I still might go to flushing. I'm still going to. Yeah. I'm going to.
I'm still going to look into whether or not I want to do a salt cure type tanning thing or if I want to just use the brains that I pulled out of that deer and tan it that way. I'm going to be salt chemical like the actual tanning lotion. I'm not fucking around with brains or nothing like that. I've missed with brains before. It's not that big a deal.
They just don't tell your wife which blender you used to mix that up. I don't have a blender. I only have a food processor. This is used to have a blender. How do I not have a fucking blender? Days over here like.
We get the potato masher first. You get to break it up a bit and then. Very nice. I got to step up my margarita game apparently. I hope brain margaritas. Respect. Getting a blender. Well, you know. All right. Well, I think that'll about wrap it up for tonight.
Well, that'll do pig on the note of coyote brains. Dave, do you want to wade through our amended notes here at the bottom and remember where everything's supposed to go? I got it as soon as I can find it. Oh, there it is. Well, support the sport. Wait. Hold on. Hold up. Don't forget.
Go check out Gideon Optics. We have an affiliate code coupon code LGH podcast. Oh, have you shot that red dot on the double barrel yet? I have not because I have not been home in the daylight very much recently. So what you need to do is duct tape a flashlight under the barrel barrels. Yeah, and go have my kid eat stuff out into the night so I can shoot at it. Yeah, bro.
Well, while that does sound like a fun video, I might have to just wait on that until I can actually be home whenever it's not retarded. They make glow in the dark clays. Oh, no. Oh, yes, they do. Yeah. I didn't need to know that. Oh, yeah.
Yes, you did sit there with a little UV light over the top of them and charge them up and just going to be everywhere out there. What's that? It's super gas. If you win, horse hunting becomes legal. Highly recommend the Guardian in first focal plane.
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Camo pattern and I think I have a couple ideas. It could be fun for there. So does Dave. I might include him on those messages. So use let's go hunt coupon code at camerauto.com for 5% off, I believe. I've actually been using. So this past season, I use the sun shirt as a base layer and then the
buffer jacket over it. And that was actually really useful as a layering system. And then I had the wind shirt in case I needed a
somewhat waterproof layer because that does actually provide a little bit of help. If it's kind of damp out, it is not a rain jacket at all. But if it's just spritzing a little bit drizzling a little bit, it's actually really useful as an outer layer. And also as a second layer, in case it's not warm, or it's not cold enough for the proper jacket. So you can actually layer up with some of that stuff and make it work really well. Can you like camp dry?
that, uh, win breaker, like a waterproof fit. I don't see why not. I mean, you could hit it with some Scotch guard. See what happens. Yeah. You'll smell good after that. Damn it. All right. Well, all right, Dave, run us on that. I support the sport and take a buddy horse hunting. I mean hunting. If you like that, buddy, tell them about our show.
If you don't like them, send them to some other show that doesn't support horse hunting. Hit us up at contactlghpodcast.com. Follow us on Instagram at let's go hunt podcast. Thanks for listening and let's go hunt. So this is a big decision here. I lost the show titles already. Did we do horses, their pets, their food? They're also pet food or the big coyote potluck?
Where is it? I can't even see. All right. Well, good night. Yeah. Thank you for listening. I wish you had better things to do on a Tuesday. This podcast has been a production of the Firearms Radio Network. For more, visit firearmsradio.net.
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