Let’s Go Hunt 101 – Ribeye of the Cretaceous: Eco-Therapy with The Reason Outdoors
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November 20, 2024
TLDR: Episode 100 features a cougar hunt with Sam's mom and guests Dave Packard, AWOL Mike Gonçalves, who is injured, Vince H, and another unnamed participant potentially testing their resistance to molten.
In the 101st episode of Let’s Go Hunt, host Sam Alexander is joined by special guest Coop, co-founder of The Reason Outdoors, to discuss hunting, eco-therapy, and various outdoor adventures for veterans and first responders. The conversation ranges widely from personal hunting stories to reflections on military experiences and the healing power of the outdoors.
Key Guest Insights
Coop’s Background
- Coop served 17.5 years in the Marine Corps and specializes in guiding hunts for various animals, including hogs, deer, and coyotes.
- He is the co-founder and president of The Reason Outdoors, a nonprofit taking veterans and first responders on hunting trips to promote healing and camaraderie.
Eco-Therapy
- The concept of eco-therapy is introduced, framed as an avenue for veterans and first responders to reconnect with nature through hunting and fishing.
- Coop emphasizes the importance of language in appealing to different audiences; calling it "eco-therapy" often garners more support from liberal entities than simply framing it as hunting.
Hunting Experiences and Techniques
Personal Hunting Stories
- The group shares humorous and light-hearted anecdotes from their hunting experiences, including tracking bears, unfortunate encounters with livestock, and navigating through difficult terrain.
- Coop describes his first elk hunt, highlighting the challenges he faced and the satisfaction of finally achieving this long-time goal.
Hunting Strategies
- The discussion touches on various strategies for hunting, such as using predator calls effectively, sitting in deer stands for extended hours, and maintaining patience in the hunting craft.
- Coop explains his strategy of working with clients new to hunting by mentoring them not just on how to hunt but also educating them on the ethical and practical aspects like skinning and cooking their harvests.
The Importance of Community
Building Bonds
- The episode highlights how essential connections with fellow veterans are, providing a sense of belonging and mutual understanding that is often lost after service.
- Coop and Sam discuss how taking new hunters on trips fosters new friendships and strengthens community ties, ultimately helping to reduce feelings of isolation post-service.
Fundraising and Event Organization
- The Reason Outdoors organizes various hunts and fishing events as part of its mission, relying on donations and partnerships with privacy-conscious organizations.
- Listeners are encouraged to participate either by applying for hunts or by donating to support their mission.
Conclusion
The episode ends on a high note, reiterating the significance of eco-therapy through hunting and how it can provide both mental and emotional healing. Listeners are urged to take a buddy hunting to share in the experience and strengthen community ties among veterans and outdoor enthusiasts alike.
Takeaways
- Eco-Therapy: Framing hunting as a therapeutic outlet that connects veterans back to nature.
- Community Connection: The importance of camaraderie and shared experiences in the healing process for veterans.
- Diverse Hunting Techniques: Learning from experienced individuals can significantly enhance the hunting experience for newcomers.
With a mix of humor, insight, and heartfelt stories, Let’s Go Hunt 101 inspires audiences to appreciate the outdoors while advocating for the wellness of veterans through eco-therapy.
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Welcome back to another episode of let's go hunt fresh off a cougar hunt with your mom We have Dave Packard who actually wasn't on the cougar hunt because he's gay Mike and solviz who has wrecked Vince H the permanent guest and soon to be discovering if my skin is resistant to molten polyester. I'm Sam Alexander Tonight we have a special guest coop with the reason outdoors hunting Carolinas and he's also wanted well that Wow
I haven't even drank that much tonight and hunting Carolitis on Instagram. Maybe I should have done it. All right. Start over. I can't start over. I mean, I can't. Welcome. Welcome to the shit show, Coop. It begins now. Well, I mean, excellent. We didn't claim to be intelligent or capable or competent. Do do any real humans? No, no one should feel sorry. He volunteered for this.
Well, I mean, we've seen his Ranger panties now. So it seems I'm in good company. Yeah. And you saw my tiger stripe, Ranger panties. Yeah. Did not need to see those some anyway. This is great. Those of you who are not here free, you know, prior to this, you missed a real good show. All, you know, just trying to find my phone in my little couch cushions here. You sure?
We'll take screenshots later and sell them. It mysteriously ended up just posed right up there in front of the camera. And the deer looking down at you. Yeah, seriously judging me too. Like it hasn't seen you do this a million times. Right. Right. Yeah. So tell us a little bit about yourself.
I did 17 half years in the Marine Corps as an infantryman and then recon force recon Marine. I got medically retired in 2017.
And since then, I have been guiding hunts for primarily hogs, hogs deer, turkey bears, coyotes, a lot of coyotes, especially lately. I do also do some contracting for marine special operations command a couple of times a year.
I also run the reason outdoors. I'm one of the co-founders and the president. We take veterans of first responders and their kids hunting and fishing. I mean, that's the that's the that's once over the world really about me. Okay, so you're a lot more interesting than we are. I mean, that's
I don't know about all that. Personally, I love the vet stuff that you do. That's awesome stuff. I've taken part in just a few vet trips and the fact that people do them, they invite some of the people I've met, they needed to go on these trips, man.
Yeah, we call it, so we call it eco therapy. Yeah. And that's a, that's like a real fancy way of saying hunting and fishing, right? And like we used that as like a, that little term as a test bed. We're like, all right. You know, cause people get some more liberal companies and whatnot. You know, they don't like to hear about veterans and first responders and guns and hunting and all that. And you know, but if I say eco therapy,
Right? Then they're like, oh, what's that? Right? Oh, just outdoor adventures, right? And then, you know, like, so we got REI to donate us a couple of cots. I figured that if that very, you know, liberal company will donate us some cots on eco therapy, then I think we can get some more companies to do a little bit of stuff too. But yeah, that's awesome. Yeah, that's off to a good start.
A lot of, I mean, you're absolutely right. Like a lot of veterans and we don't just take combat veterans or soft guys or we take any veteran and, you know, and first responder and we want to. Hey, there you go. Help them. You know, they take the non-combat guys too. Oh.
Yeah, probably by your own guys Yeah, you went downtown you went downtown in Brooklyn man you you earned that one
Yeah. Tell me that doesn't count as combat. I mean, it probably counts as combat more than my brother going to Kuwait did. Absolutely where I went. I was in Bagram twice. Yeah, it's way more combat than Kuwait. I'll take that one. Okay, fair. Yeah.
I mean, Zach, Zach flew into Bagram more than a few times when he stationed in Romania. And I'm pretty sure the sketchiest thing they did in C-17 was trying not to crash in the mountains at night. Yeah, that sounds about right. Yeah. I'm about landing on a C-17 as a freak and it's, it's, uh, that's a, that's an experience. It's a thing. And if anybody that happens and if anybody did it, sorry, go ahead.
No, we did a combat landing in a C-130 during the invasion. And we also did one in a C-17 going into Afghanistan in 2009. And I was not ready for the 2009.
The C one third I was ready for that on the C 17 I definitely was not ready for that one I just did not think that You know like that was gonna be a thing at that time, you know what I mean? But it definitely was we like this planes too big to give that up They wouldn't take this one anywhere that actually shoot at it
Well, not, I mean, like playing that big drop in altitude like that is like, it's like, yeah. My favorite story of his, hang on, my favorite story of his flying C 17 to this day, I tell other people's stories because mine are all boring. Um, they were flying back from logger and back to tell your story to Romania. This is a good one. This one always makes me laugh. They're going back to Romania. And when their fricking engine starts losing, uh,
Oil pressure fast. And so this would piss you off, Mike, because you were a ground guy. He just decides, I'll be fine. Just tells us, I think he told his crew chief, like, all right, watch that gauge and watch out the window. If the engine catches on fire, we need to shut it down. And they made it back. He tells a lot better than I can. I'm going to shut up now. I've been drinking too much.
So we were coming into Bagram in 08. Yeah, it was 08. We went the first time and I had a book on my lap strapped in those shitty little cargo seats. Had a book in my lap was not expecting my book to rise and be floating in front of my face as we descended. I had to reach up and be like, give me that. He told us it was going to be steep. I didn't expect that.
Right. And then here's the best part, though, after that wild of a ride as we, you know, spiraled and descended and came in, that was the smoothest landing in an airplane that big I've ever felt. Like he put it down and then the nose was coming down. He's like, all right, we're on the ground. What? Which it's probably a little different when you can't see it coming, but
I mean, now imagine civilian pilots pulling that at the airport on daily, like that landing, that smooth landing, you know? Right. I've never had an airliner that smooth. I mean, most of the places I've landed are Denver, where you basically bounce off the runway 18 times before you come to a stop. So that's just because of the runway construction. That in the wind.
They've got a flag guy out there. Like, turns it around. Stop. Hey, you orient yourself based on what direction blue suffers in. Right. And what mood he's in. I mean, that's always a bad mood. Have you seen his eyeballs?
Yeah, that's why he's Blucifer. He killed his creator. Blucifer for those who aren't from Colorado is the giant rampant statue of a Bronco, which is blue with the glowing red eyes that fell over and killed its sculptor. And it stands eerily outside the Denver airport and just like.
It's like 30 feet tall with glowing red eyes and nobody likes it, but it stands anyway. I've seen that. Yes. You have. Did you know his name was Lucifer? I had no idea. His name is Blissifer. Did you know he killed his owner? No, I've been. Oh, no, he's not a fucking real horse. I mean, I'm pretty sure that thing actually is alive.
Those are things you know now. Gideon Optic says he didn't notice it when he went through in the 2018. Next time you come through, you will and you're going to be able to ignore it. Yeah.
I'm being the lookout now. Yeah. So I'm going to get slightly back on track. Yeah. Well, we didn't have a trial. Maybe I missed this a little bit. The reason outdoors, was that something that you founded or was that something you stumbled into? How did that get going? I mean, I know I've heard a little bit, but. So my buddy Tony and I, Tony Cowen, he runs capable link.
He and I almost started this back in 2017 and the timing wasn't right. Actually, what really happens, we started down the nonprofit rabbit hole and we had a lawyer and he was a
Green Brad lawyer and Tony's he's a green bra as well And but he also had his own nonprofit and we were doing the paperwork and the hurricane and Haiti happened and then we he went off doing his thing and we really didn't hear anything from him again Which I mean no big deal the time like I said timing wasn't right probably
two years ago now. He's like, hey, let's take some, we had done a hunt in Idaho back country. Me, Tony and our other buddy drew, we affectionately call it the hunt from hell. Cause like if it could go wrong, it did. Like we got ran off the road and almost rolled the truck. I mean, like just,
You name it. It happened. It was rough. But we're like, hey, let's go back to the back country. Again, let's invite some veterans to come with us. So put out some stuff on Instagram and got a three guys that we're going to come out that we're going to kind of just mentor in the back country and hunting.
And then we're like, hey, let's start this nonprofit. Let's do this. So we did, which is the only time IRS has ever done anything like, you know, in a timely fashion, because like within two weeks of submitting paperwork, like you're approved, like start.
Roland. So the very first hunt we ever did was a back country Idaho hunt, which is, you know, us, you know, we don't really half ass things. So we bit it off hard for our first hunt as a nonprofit, Idaho back country. Yeah, you could have, you could have eased in with like a, you know, a tree stand in Missouri, but oh, no, a Colorado mule deer hunt. It's walk up to the trail.
A hog, a hog hunt, a deer hunt here on the east coast. You know, maybe run hog hunt. Or if you really, you go the opposite direction to a mountain goat hunt.
Oh, yeah. I mean, if we wanted to really bite it off in the worst, worst way would have been like, it'd have been that, you know, like mile. So was this like a, you get all the pack mules and you load up three weeks worth of stuff and go back in 20, 25 miles or what? This was, this was us hiking our happy asses all over the unit 39 in Idaho.
No pack mules, no four-wheelers, no dirt bikes. This was your own two hooves and your pack. We spiked camped a lot. We did get end up. We did have Airbnb in Idaho City. Some folks that we met the first time we went out there.
We're gracious enough to donate us a bunch of days and I mean wonderful wonderful people, but we stayed there Handful maybe out of 20 days. I feel like we're out there. Maybe we're longer might've been out there longer when we stayed there maybe Five or six nights. I feel like but we were I mean the rest of the time we're out Spike camp, you know making camp somewhere You know rough enough
Yeah. Sam's kind of hunting. It was my eventual kind of hunting. We're not all the way there yet.
this rough. We did, we did determine that next year, if we go back out to Idaho, we are breaking side by sides and four wheelers. You know, or like, you know, maybe we get an e-bike company to sponsor us or some stuff like that. Like we are not going in full like 150 miles hiking in the, like one day we went from like no joke, I think probably, I won't say like 56, 50, 800 feet of elevation to like 80.
Five or six feet of elevation and it was rough. Yeah, rough. But yeah, that was because, dang, what's his name from Backfire TV? He sent me a whole bunch of frickin
He sent me a whole bunch of stinking pins and these like, look, this is where the L car anytime I've been out there. What I didn't think to ask was, did you hike those mountains? Would you take mules, horses, llamas, right? Alpacas, right? Like what would you take? I didn't think to ask that. Cause we hiked our freakin happy butts up that elevator. No, that guy from the, the guy from the airport in Denver has got a second job.
pack mule. Oh, the statue. No, no, the guy who's out on the tarmac with the slow and stop sign. He puts it on his back. You're terrible. How much distance did you cover climbing that elevation if you remember? I don't remember. I mean, it wasn't like,
distance wise wasn't crazy. Obviously, it was just the elevation. So it basically just uphill. Yeah, it was, it was up and it was rough. Yeah. Oh, of course you didn't. Um, no, I mean, if a climbing elevation in the morning's fine, but if you got to do that crap all day, I mean, as I've hikes, uh, Pikes Peak, which is 14,000, whatever feet.
Four or five times I forget but that's with a nice lightweight pack and you're just breezing along like this Do you walk on the road or no you take bar trail up? It's like 13 and a half miles or something like that Yeah, there's actually an Ironman event where you run up that trail. I know a guy who did it and he's insane the friends of mine have done it Here they did it
Wanted to but now I don't so you know there's an established trail. Yeah. Yeah, you're not bush whacking it right. Yeah, and that as a whole another level of You know fun to things And I don't I mean I don't I try to not I try to not hike without like
You know, the only time I like to hike the mountains when I'm hunting, because I feel like if I'm just hiking the mountains with no weapon, I feel naked, number one, like, and I like, I like arm tiking. Yeah. I mean, I like heavily arm tiking. Yeah. Well, that's what I did in Afghanistan. Yeah, you were you were infantry, you were arm tiker.
I was a recombinant at that point in time. So, uh, but yes, no, I was a armed hiker because we were carrying javelins. Oh, damn. Snipe rifles and stuff like that. So, um, yeah. It's just lightweight stuff. A hundred, about a hundred point compact. It's like summertime. Hard pass. Lots of lots of water. Lots of.
Meanwhile, the VA doc, your knee and back pain aren't service related. Yeah. Uh, my, my VA claim I've got, like, I've got a lot of claims on that. There's a lot of them. There's zero percents, but a zero percent is still a win because it can always go up, but I got the, I got the 100 P and T. So we'll just keep it at that. We're good. Yeah. It never have to look at it again. Yeah. Never. Please.
Is there any, any, have you ever heard any truth to the rumor that they review those every 20 or 30 years and like interview the vets or? I mean, like.
I have not heard of anybody being re-evaluated after that long, but it's not like your body is going to get better. For me, I broke my, I was in a Humvee roller, I broke my femur, my back, fractured my forehead. I've had like five surgeries on my left knee. I've got, I mean, I'd look like a strapping man, but I'm a freaking medical nightmare. You know what I mean?
What's that? You got, you got the general patent treatment. I was like, do you think that like, do you think the gaps in my spine are going to magically like spread back out? Um, I mean, like all this stuff that happens to dudes, I go, it's not here to magically get better, you know what I mean? Yeah.
It's it's a dumb little paranoia I have cuz I'm 100 pnt too, and there's a little like They'll just review it in like 20 years and I want to talk to you again. I'm like if they do I will break you again
I promise. I mean, I, that my, I'm not really worried about it. I'm just getting worse anyway. Like, like Coop says, I'm, I have things going wrong with me related to everything that I don't have claims. So they can try, but Sam and Mike reenact misery like that one. But it's his back misery. Oh, that's one of Kathy Bates kidnaps a dude and then she breaks his legs to keep him from running away.
Can you just break my legs? Then don't kidnap me. Leave me at home. Sure. Like my legs have been broke since I was in the Air Force. Right. Where were you 30 years ago? Do your worst. Boy. So you said, um, bear hunts is something you guide people on. We're at.
I'm located here in eastern North Carolina. So biggest bears in the lower 48 are here.
doing them off bait barrels. I mean, I wish we could do that here. We're spot in stock only. That's all fine, but I would also like to kill a bear one of these years, but we'll see what happens.
I'm with you. I mean, the, the, the, they call bears the black ghosts, man. Uh, you know, and, and I, they are because all of bears, people have bears on camera. Like I have my buddy Tim right now. He's been hunting this. He's been hunting for the last eight days straight morning and a night after this bear and it does not come in. He's like, dude, I'm so frustrated right now. I'm like, dude, they're called the black ghosts. They do what they want. They're not like deer.
They're not like pogs, they're not like any other animal in the woods. They just do what they want when they want. And they're more like us. Yeah. And freakishly enough, when you skin them out and you start doing that, you're like, it looks like you got a human being hanging up there almost by the time you're done. Oh, yeah. Have you seen those pictures?
of this skeleton that someone found in a tree. And they're like, what in the world am I looking at? Because it looks like a man's skeleton with a giant freakish head on it. And like, yeah, and someone's like trying to like do that. That's a black bear that somehow got stuck in the tree and just died there. And it's like,
Okay, thank you. Yeah, it's the hands that I've always read people like put off of hunting bears for the rest of their lives because they saw skinned out paw. And if you see what it was, it looks like a fleshy little human hand. It's definitely the hands that doesn't for people. They look just like ours. Yeah.
Oh, dude, go look up shaved bear or bear with mange. Like they look like hellhounds. Oh, they do. They're kind of creepy. It's unsettling. Please put the fluff back on. I need that. So anyway, back to bait barrels. Yeah. Oh, yeah. I mean, dude, I, for bears, like what I, I,
I have a lease. I've leased three spots to dudes for bear hunting. It's almost like a DIY, right? Give them a tour of the property. There's six spots on the property, right? All you got to do is show up and shoot straight. Because honestly, guiding clients for bears is like,
It's more stressful than deer to me, honestly. And people come in and they want a deer, and I really try not to guide deer hunts because people expect the world out of you. Especially when it's a one day hunt. And they're like, look, dude, I really need you to book two or three days. Like, nope, I only got one day. I'm like, all right, well, I'm gonna do my best I can for you, putting the best spot, but it's still hunting. The deer do, like two days gives me a lot of wiggle room, but for bears,
Right? I'm like, look, I need you to sit in the stand from sun up an hour before the sun comes up until the sun goes down. Right? The cameras only catch a finite amount of the area. Right? They just walk through. They do whatever they want. Like we'll be shooting on the range because I have a one mile long range out of that property and their bears will walk across what right in the middle of shooting. Unsuppressed. They'll walk across the range. They don't give a crap. I mean, they just do what they want.
Dude, I've had deer do that, but my range is 50 yards long. Oh, really? And I'm just like, just dumb as you could think an animal could be and they're just standing there staring at you like, I could just shoot you, but I don't want to get in trouble. And then when you go in the woods, you step on a twig and you can't see one for three days. Yeah. Right.
Or they're standing in the middle of the road where you're going 90 miles an hour. I mean, you know, 65 miles an hour down the road, right? And they're standing right there. But that's a good way to. That's, that's a great way to bring a deer home if you clip it just right. Guilty. You don't smash it like Sam and his first deer. Hey, no, that one was all intact except for that backstrap, remember?
Oh, no, right. It was your van that was smashed. Yeah, it was the van that was messed up. And then the second one I hit a week later, that one ran off just fine. It was the never hit a deer before in my life. I hit three of them in three weeks. Haven't hit one since either. So it's not like I'm a terrible driver. Suddenly became one. Yeah, the first one went into the front of my work van. Turns out I could have driven the work van home. Instead, I hung out on the side of the road with this deer and 80 degree weather for hours.
Whatever learning to skin and get by himself with people on the phone. With a box cutter basically with a utility knife and my multi tool. That's all I had on me. The Lou down is multi to. But the second one I just bumped her and she ran off it was the third one that the.
the blinker, though no, the whole headlight housing on my wife's car came out and speared it right through the ribs and got into the guts and scattered shit and blood all over. I was like, yeah, that one's really dead. But no, that first one, no, you helped me skin it out. Well, I skinned it out and you helped me quarter it. It was just that one backstrap that was messed up.
after the whole van hit it. But yeah. Yeah. And that backstrap was weirdly not the one I'd I'd know it was the papying messed up. I was the opposite side from where it got hit. Yeah. Yeah. Go figure. My family, my family still breaks my balls because like
I grew up on a farm and like hunting back then was like, we do a deer drive, you know, so we really didn't hunt and said really not a thing, you know, but I'm like, uh, after I was in a Humvee accident and broke all that stuff. I was sitting home like, Hey, I need to do something. Got a bow.
I started from like, hey, look, because I'm like, you know, all right, done deployments. Like I'm just going to get a bow. It's primitive. Let's do that. Hop around the woods of the back brace that came, right? Shoot and frick it and try to shoot and try to shoot deer. Didn't shoot any. And then I came home.
Probably maybe the next year or later that year or something. I don't know I came home from North Carolina at least live up I was born not born, but I grew up in upstate New York up from Rochester and I went home to go deer hunt and I Smack the frickin buck on the way up To go hunting right and it so everyone's like oh well you hit a deer with your truck Right, and I did not shoot a deer for probably like I had like a four-year like dry spell, but I was deploying and
Schools all the other stuff, but I'm like, you know, I'm just gonna shoot one of the bow like I was that's how I was gonna do it. Well, I Also started thinking of myself self. Well, what else is primitive? So I got a muzzle loader like all right cool. So I shot my first year of the muzzle loader and I'm like, you know what the F of my thinking like I love anything that brings projectiles so
But well, he doesn't need to whisper. I was going to say this is like unedited podcast. So if you want to spew out whatever you want, because we're too lazy to edit stuff. So you're good to go. If you don't want to, that's fine. But if you want to let it fly. I have no trouble. I believe I have no problem. Oh, I figured. But, you know, I always like to be differential towards people. But, uh,
Yeah, so like I love anything that flinks projectiles, so I hunt with anything and I shot a buck with a 457 Air Force Texan air rifle about a month ago. Nice. Super Bueno. Yeah, so I hunt with anything that flinks projectiles. I mean, the javelin missile system I used in Afghanistan.
I mean, that put them down real quick. You just need a solid, you just need a monolithic copper projectile for that. Just cut out the explosives, just that's ideal because it cleans guts and quarters them all at the same time. Everything. Yeah, that's the pieces and go home.
Just start a fire on the spot and start. Wait, I think that bite was human. That was deer. That's a little long pork. Never hurt anybody. Dusky in the chat asks, how long the air rifle shot was for her? How just how long was it? How long was it?
40 yards and a deer went probably 15 yards for a dive. And I was using a 365 grain slug. And that would do it. Nice. I mean, that's basically what was the muzzle velocity? Let's push in about 850 feet per second.
Okay, that's, that's slower than your muzzle loader, but that's still not. Yeah. That's not how I make a projectile. I didn't catch it. Three hundred and sixty five grains. Oh, yeah. A big chunk of lead. Like she's like, oh, oh, basically, he just had a profound thought there. He's like, oh, that's basically an old Colt 45 cap and ball revolver.
Yeah, you're pushing there. Let's see. Everything going through my head was that's almost 45 auto, but about 100 less grains and maybe a few difference in feet per second.
Yeah. And now I can tune that, I can tune that gun up a little bit and get it up to about nine. I should be able to get up to about 950 almost. I feel like, um, maybe a smidge of accuracy. Um, but I mean, the 835, 850 feet per second that, that did it. So yeah, I feel like, I feel like that's the new felon special.
Air rifles? Air rifles, yeah. I mean, one of the good things about it. If you found yourself on the wrong side of the law, a time before in your life, and you cannot own a firearm, you can definitely own a air rifle and a moderator, which was a suppressor called and you are perfectly legal to go hunt with it.
And like my 22 caliber air rifle and order cow that I have, I shot iguanas, I shot a nine foot gator, hogs, coyotes. I do some predator control on a very affluent neighborhood in Ireland out here in North Carolina. And I shoot coyotes out there with air rifles. So they get it done, you know?
Yeah, we've got a buddy who shot iguanas Sean from the wheel like shooting show shot iguanas down in Florida with an air rifle too. Yeah, he had him. He, he has a great story of how he shot one in the head and then his buddy had to also shoot it in the head because his shot somehow missed but also hit like it hit his head but missed the brain and it just didn't care.
Yeah, that little spot behind their ear there, you got to hit that. But we shot one like nine times or more, and things were laying there dead, and some cops came up talking to us, and it'd been laying there like belly up for like 10 minutes, and the thing just reanimated. I'm like, dude, that thing had like 10 shots, and it just went in the fricking back in the pond and just appeared out of our lives, you know?
Tell the cops, hang on a second. 11, 12, 13. Okay. Oh, now look, West, the West Palm Beach, the sheriff's department down there, they've got some, there are some lookers on that for a complete on that sheriff's department there, because
one, the one deputy and her, and her training officer partner, whatever came up, we're like, Hey, you guys want to shoot iguanas too? He's looking at her and he was like, he's about to give the like, yeah, we can do that. And he's like, Oh, no, no, no, we better not do that. I'm like, Oh, man, I mean, so close. When it ran off, if you had just yelled stop resisting, it would have been like, and they would have immediately started shooting the iguana. Right.
It went from air rifles to pistols in a matter of seconds there. It's coming right for us. Yeah, we shot like we think we shot probably almost close to a six foot dragon. And that when that day that happened.
We took a we took some marine snipers down to a west palm couple in August and we shot 117 iguanas and five hours All with air rifles we shot a bunch of scuttling bucks and Egyptian geese, too So if you guys have got on that view on the Florida
And you want to go shoot some iguanas and and some other invasive self hook you up with my buddy Travis who owns a tropical trophies because he'll put you on a on that on that Target rich environment. We're at in Florida Palm Beach was where where is that I'm not familiar with the state except for Orlando in Miami South of Orlando north of Miami
I mean, on the southeast on the Atlantic side. Yeah. OK. Gotcha. Yeah. Yeah, I would definitely be into that at some point in the future. Look, man, like.
Who doesn't like skulking around like urban areas right like you're in the middle of the city right and you're shooting iguanas You know like whether it's in people's yards on the canals like people are driving by Like especially especially if people will see you shooting Egyptian geese and the scubby ducks They lose their freaking marbles every time and it's all perfectly legal right like yeah call it then
Right? He's a licensed trap with state of Florida, right? Everything's all good, but people like they, when they're shooting the iguanas, they're like, they drive by and you might get at someone honking and whatever. But when, if they see you excited and on a duck or a goose, they get mad as hell. It is ridiculous.
But I'll tell you right now, you had to shoot an Egyptian goose or a Muscovy duck. Their head just pops down. It's wonderfully gratifying. Aren't Muscovy supposed to taste really good?
They are supposed to taste really good. And we didn't find that out until our last hunt down there when one of the guys that was with us was like, Hey, these things are supposed to taste really good. We're like, no way. Cause they're so ugly. Let's say that they're ugly is all hell. They are the ugliest looking things. Like I would never think that it's like, like, would you eat a turkey vulture? No. They're ugly. I mean, you also know what turkey vultures eat.
This is true. I think the Muscovy is also a good laying duck. So if you want, if you want an animal that lays well during the winter and also you can eat it pretty well, they're free at the park. Interesting. Vince has ten of them. Well, that's Mike's free duck.
I think that's what my son wants. He's nine and is really into chickens and ducks. And I think that's the kind of duck that he wants a bunch of. Really? Okay. It does the boy a pond by hand because he wants ducks.
I mean, majorly invasive species in Florida, you can kill them. It's fun. It's all I'm saying. So really, I'm in my second year of waterfouling. I got into duck hunting last year that Muscovy ducks taste really, really good is one of the things that stuck with me early on. I hope it's still true. I hope I heard correctly, but man, if they're an invasive species, that sounds like fun.
go kill a bunch of ducks and iguanas and bring home some Dave, some iguana liver meat because I get to eat all the cheek meat. Yeah. Yeah. And iguanas taste iguanas taste good too. That's what we've been hearing. Like, I don't know anything about the geese, but my problem is I hear invasive species and I feel like they should be paying me to go kill them. Not the other way around.
True that. Like, oh, I see Eurasian's, uh, uh, college. Whoa, whoa, whoa. There was eight of them in my neighbor's tree as I drove to work this morning. And I was like, man, if only they, I live in a residential neighborhood, if only. So if only you had an air rifle and you could shoot those legally and residential neighborhood.
I don't believe Colorado Springs. Wait, I don't live in the city limits. You don't have, and you don't have many streetlights around that neighborhood, right? Um, the, the only one I could. Okay. So shoot that one out. I'll loan you an IR laser and my night vision and get your dubs. Put it on their rifle. Nothing. What can go wrong? Literally nothing. This is foolproof.
Look, I'm just, I'm just saying, you know, check your local ordinances. Obviously. All the people listening, all the people listening. It's not a lawyer, guys. I gotta, I gotta, yeah. Trust me. I'm not a lawyer. This is all satire. We're playing characters on the show.
I got an air gun range right behind my fence, and I live in the city of Wilmington. I live in the outskirts, but it's all perfectly legal. They shoot in my neighborhood, and the neighborhoods I do predator control in, so, you know, helps you.
helps there with that. So, you know, maybe you can go get you a nice little dove, a little slider appetizer, you know. I go talk to CPW on the feasibility of pest control on invasive species within. I feel like you should not ask questions. You should not ask questions on this and just do it.
You just want me in jail. No, because you're going to ask so many questions that CPW is going to put a freaking tag on you going now. Watch this guy. He keeps asking about really weird stuff. It's kind of like a lot of weird questions. Why does he still have a small game license retract? It's kind of like the first guy shoots Bigfoot. Like you're OK the first time, but the second guy is going to be in trouble. Well, the second time it's going to be murder because they'll know.
I mean, we like legitimate talks. Somebody asked that question like when last like a couple of weeks we were talking by like, Hey, if you saw a big for like, would you shoot Bigfoot? I'm like, absolutely, I would. Yeah. It's not illegal or it's not against the law to. So yeah, until you hear a scream from the bushes and it's the guy's girlfriend videoing him walking around to the ceiling. Oh.
At that point, any reasonable person would shoot Bigfoot to prove Bigfoot's existence. There is not a liberal hippie on the planet that would not shoot Bigfoot in the face to prove his existence and get rich from it.
Yeah, exactly. If you look at the lady screaming in the bushes and go like, pull out your knife, like it's wanting waste if you don't. You just cut his pecker off and walk away. Yeah. I mean, I was thinking back straps, but you do you, Mike, if that's what you want to eat, be my guest. If you're going to look her dead in the eye and say it's wanting waste, if you don't, that's the power move.
Tell me I'm wrong.
I mean, I hunt a swamp down on the Waucomah River and there's a couple of properties right near it that I wanted to get access to hunt and I talked to these guys and like, the one dude's like, have you seen the, have you seen the, uh, uh, let me say, he didn't say the squat or yet he, yeah, maybe it's the yeti or something, but he's like, you know, have you seen the, you know, this freaking squatch in the freaking swamp? And I'm like, whatever dude, you know, these skunk ape.
What's that? Yeah, that's the Southeast version. That's what they call the skunk ape. Yeah. Well, I mean, this dude was dead serious. He called his cousin over and he's like, what do we see in the swamp? Tell them, right? They both like both of them were dead, like not yanking my chain. Cause I like, I've, I've probed them for a minute. Right. Like, like, I'm going to poke chicks in this arm, but they swear that there is a dang Bigfoot in the frickin swamp. Oh, they're, I haven't seen it yet. But, um, you know, they swear to us.
Here's how you hunt Bigfoot thermals. He's got to go into the woods with thermals. He's covered too much moss. It just bounces right off him. Yeah. He's got a very well-hidden thermal signature, clearly. Look, this isn't predator. It's got to be. It's got to be. He's got to be hunted with thermals.
Yeah. There's no other weight unless you just, you see him out in the middle of the wilderness and in the middle of the daylight, like so many people have fuzzy video of and you don't shoot him in the face. Right. Which is silly. Yeah. How could you not, how could you justify not shooting him in the face? Like, I'm sorry that it was your boyfriend dressed up like Bigfoot, but what the fuck did you think was going to happen? 100%.
I mean, I tried it. We were just scared. It might actually be the Loch Ness monster. That's about that time I realized that Bigfoot corpse asked me for a tree fitty. Right. I literally took, I literally took a course in college called mysteries of the earth. Right. So like we studied all this stuff, Bigfoot, Nessie, Champ from Lake Champlain, Jackalope, some of you name it, we like studied all this stuff.
That sounds like a really awesome class. It was a really awesome class. Like, while it was a class, I have no idea. Why not? You know, the college I went to boot fitting was a class, so I ain't asking questions.
I didn't need to take. Yeah, I went to a class and I went to a mountain college in a ski town and it was a community college that had dorms. It's a great starter if you're not sure of college or a great college. If you're just a ski bombing, you want to go take bullshit classes and hit the slopes all day, which I was the first one.
But I never went to class. So fuck that. Anyway, uh, yeah, I had it was, uh, it was fun, man.
Yeah, I did not that's but there were so many there were so many kids there for like Intro to business or stuff like that and they would Take just bullshit electives just so that they could skip those classes and go ski all day Dave Dave can't be here tonight, but somehow he's out there
Well, I'm going to assume for the sake of CDOT that he's parked on the side of the road, sending in messages very safe. I'm pretty sure I already answered Dave's question, but continue about how you would mount a Squatch. Yeah. Well, I'll power you. No, you don't cut off. What the hell is wrong with you? What are you going to say? You're going to cut off its dick and have it taxideried and stick it in its skull that you mount on the wall?
Cockman. No, just the cock itself, the Bigfoot. If you were about to kill the Sasquatch, how would you mount a Sasquatch? And then he says from the rear is not an option. And I find that just if it's going to be about dominance, you've got to you've got to spread them and get in there. I mean, not only are you the first man to kill a Bigfoot, you're the first man on record to, you know, while his while his Bigfoot girlfriend screams in terror and preferably before he goes cold.
But there is a legitimate question right now. So you, you have to full body amount of squats, right? Oh, yeah. The real question is what do you do with the cockamballs, right? I mean, prominent display. You're not going to just like, oh, we're going to like, you know, just just cut them off and comb some hair over the top of them. It also, it, it matters what they're like. Or does his go up inside him when he stands up or does he actually have a dangly? Do you like, well,
most of us. I mean, I would get around all of this by, okay, well, you do, you do a European Mount of the skull, you take most of the hide and you make leather. And then you just take like one foot from the shin down and you just mount one foot. And then you just set it on your coffee table. Because it's Bigfoot, right? You just need one foot to prove that you got Bigfoot.
So you just got a foot in a European mount and a really nice vest. I mean, it's been like walking your house and having Harry from Harry and the Henderson's like standing in your corner. You're like, man, I don't know why I beat. I bring women back to my house and they all run away. I don't get it. And unbeknownst to the rest of the world, but belongs to us. It's filled with tannerite and ball bearings.
Or, I mean, have you guys ever mess around the Firebird targets? They sound familiar. I don't think so, though. Yeah. So think Tanner, right? But it's like a blows can right out of the water. But they're little pucks about like the bios or the smaller ones about silver dollar size and other ones are about hockey puck size and about
maybe quarter to a half inch thin. You shoot with those things, you shoot with an arrow, air rifle, 22 regular rifle, whatever, and they make a
massive boom, bigger than Tanner, right? Way more fun too. I'll put you in contact with some folks from Firebird targets. So I'm sure you guys really love to play with them. Because I'm a terrible person. I'm wondering how much like kinetic energy you need to put into one to get it to go off because I'm imagining is putting one of these pucks on the end of a stick and jousting with it. You do not want to do that. I mean,
I'll be fine. High five. Yeah. You do. You do. I'm just saying before you think about doing that because you're like, Oh, shit. Put them on the other level to atomic slap. There's like tape on your palm and just you put them on the end of a spear and you start checking them. Definitely change your life.
Put them put them in like glue them to the inside of clay pigeons, just random clay pigeons. Oh, you can stick them. You can stick them to clay pigeons. They have a little adhesives on them. Oh, no, I'm saying do it discreetly. So when someone yells, and they shoot, but then they met you, you do it for somebody who sucks at shooting. So they miss and it's way should just put those inside your bumper or on the outside. Yes. Like reactive armor for deer. Yes.
I mean, you could stage them looking and stage them at the end of your street. You know, put a tag on the kind of bumper sticker says I identify as a pinto. Exactly. Let it ride, man. He said, awesome. Wow. Be fine. Yeah. Anyway, I had a bear question for you. Good. So a couple of weeks ago, I was duck hunting on the lake and
I don't really like decoying all that well because I'm not very good at it. So I like rowing around in my kayak and shooting them instead. Still effort. And I got out there the other morning, very first thing. I'm like literally adjusting my camera and I look up and there is a bear on the shore 50 yards away staring at me and I'm like, I'm not fucking bear.
He looks up at me. He's staring at me. He starts walking. He walks another 20, 30 yards down the shore, stops eyeballs the shit out of me. And while I'm fiddling with my phone to get my camera going, he starts moving out into the lake towards me. And I'm like, you might not want to do that bear. That's not going to.
And he kept swimming, kept swimming, kept swimming. And then I, I don't know if he caught, uh, caught with me or what, but then he immediately just abruptly turned right around, swam back to shore and got out and, you know, booked it. It was very weird experience. Like you said, bears do what they want to do. And I don't know if that was related to me or just bears doing what they want to do, but it was weird. Yeah, that's weird.
I maintain he still was just trying to figure out what you were because you're this camouflage lump floating around in the middle of the water. Yeah. And so he's like, what the hell is that? And he got close enough to go out. That's the fuck that. That's person getting out of here. See, that's their eyesight. Their eyesight isn't the best. Oh, okay. That's one of the things I say.
To my son, like he gets scared in the woods. Sometimes I go, son, I'm the scariest thing in the woods. Don't, don't, don't worry. Because humans are actually terrifying because we're these strange alien like creatures that can camouflage and make the sounds that the animal makes. And it's kind of just. Night and fuel. I should have quacked my duck call Adam.
Send it to. Yeah. Yeah. Go ahead. Trigger that hyperphasia even more. So it just runs right at you. Look, it's a big duck. Why does it smell like a human? What's going on here? Now, if they were here, he would say, okay, you just got to do a bear call. It goes like this. Come on, bear. I'm still picturing you, but that bear actually running at you for getting there's a shot getting your lap and trying to paddle it to death.
At no point was I like oh shit. Oh shit. I was just I've got my pistol. I've got the shotgun. Yeah, I'm good. And he's swimming. He can't go very and if very least I can paddle faster than he can swim. I mean a foreshadow like like a slug at point blank range. Yeah, this is very true. Sam and I found this out on Monday. We were doing
Larpy combat shotgun stuff for a video and yeah, he was he was shooting buck and the patterns of buck he was shooting it Just to hold that big. Oh, yeah, it was five six yards. Yeah, it was point blank range like Yeah, that doesn't have time to have any spread on it yet But I mean bird shot at bird shot at that range is gonna act like a slug for the most part and
I've heard stories about guys actually killing deer with birdshot because one will jump while they're out walking around for birds and they'll just shoot it. And at five feet, the birdshot is still packed together enough that it works like a slug.
deer just dies. Like, I mean, well, I guess we're done bird hunting for the day. The story. I mean, you say that the story goes that by the only deer my grandpa Alex ever killed was when he was out pheasant hunting and that exactly happened. Deer hopped out in front of him. He thought why the hell not shot it and came home with the only deer you ever shot. Makes sense.
Makes sense. I mean, a bunch of the early duck men videos that freaking Robertson smoked deer right out of the duck blind and go right back to duck on. So I mean, that must be the life. Yeah. Yeah. Back in the 50s. Yeah. The 50s must have been awesome.
to being a blind like that. And if deer just comes, you know, cruising by, yeah, but I mean, good on those of you who do have that happen. I'm like, that guy's like, I'm out here duck hunting in a deer walks by. So anyways, I started blasting. Right. Now we're the ducks. He's gotten out of deer ducks are landing. He's like, shit. Yeah, that sounds like free duck.
Well, I've called in a whole bunch of bears, actually, when I'm out pryder hunting, especially in the spring and summer. We actually just called one in about three weeks ago, using fun and the stress. And that noise just brings them in on a string.
I am, so I am here, after tomorrow actually leaving, it's late in the season to be go chasing after Black Bear, especially at the mountains, but whatever, I'm gonna do it anyway. I'm gonna be, I bring a calf distress, elk calf distress call with me, which I will probably call in a very angry cow elk, but it'll be fine. But same idea, hopefully it might be able to catch, I mean,
I've got a spot where I can see a lot of country around me. I'm gonna go sit up there and do nothing but three days, but glass, glass, glass, glass, glass. Wait, hold on. I've got a question. So the, the fun and distress call, do you use like an actual call or do you use electronic calls? What do you use for that? I use a Fox Pro X24 loaded with a whole ton of MFK game calls.
Gotcha. All right. Same thing you use for coyotes and stuff. Yeah.
And I actually wasn't meeting the call in the bear. I was right for probably about a month ago, deer steak. Deer steak followed by table scraps was working really good at deer steaks, just another fun distress call type thing, then table scraps like a food fight after that. And I started playing that deer steak and fricking here comes in old, Mr. Bear came in just
I mean, he came probably within 10 or 15 yards of us and then went into the trees. I had a couple of new Coyote hunters with me. So they're like, he's calling me, he's calling him right at us, right at us. I'm like, it's fine. I'm like, he got like 10 yards away. Like, hey, bear. You know what? He went off in the woods. I was going to start messing with those dudes, but I'd done so, you know, feel nice to, I guess, maybe getting soft.
Uh, they're like, dude, it's gonna come out, it's gonna come out like now, but we're, we're all right. I never actually, I'm in that whole bear thing that I was staring like, to be honest, the cows made me more nervous than the bears did.
I hadn't really thought that I could at least try to yell at him before he got close enough to shoot. Oh, yeah. And then try to roll away. There's, I mean, shooting it was definitely the last resort. Right, right. But it was, it was so all of that flash through in my mind, and it happened in this face of like 10, 15 seconds, but it felt like it was a cool, it was a really, really cool moment with nature, to be honest. Yeah.
Yeah. It's always cool to come face to face with a, I mean, that's an apex predator, you know? And it, when an apex predator smells you and says, fuck that, that's a good feeling. Yeah. It's definitely a good feeling. For sure. Is blackberry and apex predator? I was thinking it was, I mean, because they're an omnivore. Depending on where they live, yes.
My mom watched Black Bear pin a fawn in her neighbor's fence line, like pinned it into the corner of the fence, got it cornered while its mother watched on screaming at the bear and then killed and ate it right there.
Right. Anything that can do that is an apex predator. That's, that's fair. I mean, I'm thinking more like mountain lion, like a mountain lion is a perfect predator and an apex predator because they're not going to get carnivore, but. But most of the time, mountain lions aren't going to screw too much with bears.
Um, generally speaking, predators for black bears are going to be grizzly bears. Um, coyotes can if they gang up on one, but I, but nothing really unless you've got grizzlies around per my understanding, nothing really hunts for a black bear.
Like that's why they can wander around the wolves. Yes, but again, I guess it's depending on where, but like in Colorado, there's nothing up there in the mountains that's hunting a black bear unless it's a mountain lion that gets a cub or a younger one and is desperate enough.
That's why bears just wander around doing whatever the hell they want, because they're not ducking other animals going, is that thing going to eat me? Why do they walk around like they own the place because they fucking do? You wait a couple years and see how Colorado does with releasing wolves like a bunch of frickin.
Oh, we already found out. It's going to go. Yeah, so they did the first. They finally got enough wolves to drop back in the spring, I believe, to drop a pack of them. And they've already boxed them all up and sent them off to Wildlife Refuge because off the top of my head, the mail was
Severe basically had a leg injury and definitely wasn't going to make it through the winter. The female had already started praying on livestock and the pups also probably weren't going to make it through the winter. So yeah, they boxed all those wolves up and sent them off to a wildlife refuge. And now they're shopping for more or will be shopping for more.
Yeah, because that was where Yukon wolves that they dropped out there too, not Mexican gray wolves that you had in the southern part of your state. Yeah, there's not, but there is. I believe so, yeah.
Let's drop Yukon wolves in the Colorado where there hasn't, that's not even the 2000 miles. Three thousand. I don't know how far this is from here, but thousands of miles away from their native territory where it's like what negative 15 is shorts weathered to them.
Right. You throw them out here where it gets to be 100 degrees out in the northwest part of the state. You can be hotter than that. It's dry as hell. There's barely any water like, yeah, they're going to have a tough time. Yeah. I mean, what is like, at what point in time are you not going to listen to ranchers, hunters, biologists, wildlife people and you're just going to send it to the ballot?
for a decision. And at the point of time, why?
What do those people think that there needs to be wolves re-released in the Colorado for? Because it makes them feel good. That's all it is. I don't think it's partly that, but it's also partly because they know if they release predators like wolves into Colorado and regulate the hunting of mountain lions in Colorado and take that avenue of
predation or well, I mean provide that avenue of predation to the game animals. It's a means of preventing those of us who enjoy hunting from continuing to hunt because it means less animals for us to hunt the more predators there are the more they're going to eat. That was one of the biggest problems that wildlife biologists had with this.
initiative initiative they put on the ballot was nobody asked them and when you're dealing with activism like this it logical people this doesn't make sense to logical people
Let me, let me boil it down a little while for you. It's, it's, it's entirely control based. So because they don't, they don't agree with our way of life. They don't want us to do it. They want us to live their way of life. This, this goes down to two competing models of how humans interact with the natural world, conservation and preservation. You have conservationists and you have preservationists.
The conservationist, the North American model of conservation has the individual, the citizen.
the hunter as the main avenue that drives conservation. Preservationists would have the entire world be a zoo and we are locked in a cage somewhere out of it where we do not interact with it at all, except for those certain professionals who they have deemed worthy of interacting with that environment.
That's the main differences. And if you boil everything down from there, then you can look at all of the ballot initiatives and its preservation versus conservation. And you just have to decide which side you're on. And if you think that humans have a role to play, like the average citizen has a role to play as if we still exist in the natural world, which some of us kind of still do because we live out here and there's these animals running around that we have to deal with.
Then you fall on that side, but if you live in the cage already, the conservationist makes no sense to you. Right. Oh, because when you're in that camp, the conservationist to you.
is just a trophy hunter or wants to keep the animals around so you can keep killing them. Stuff like a bloodthirsty knuckle dragon moron. Yeah. Who isn't as high minded and intellectual as you. Right. I mean, I mean, the same was like the Cecil the lion issue, you know, years back, right? Like people shot him.
Yeah, I mean that North America model of conservation number one works. Number two, a lot of Africa, not a lot. I mean, a good amount of Africa where it's been implemented. It has shown to work, right? It has saved species. Yes, it has. It's safe species here, how to doubt.
because it created an economy around the hunting of the animals that was more valuable than the damage that they caused to other aspects of the economy. They would have hunted elephants out of existence because of the damage they do, except for the fact that you have people who are willing to spend $100,000 to come into the area and kill a bull.
Right. Right. And that's what sustains the entire economy. And people are like, Oh, it's safaris. Like, yeah, safaris bang bang safaris, not click safaris. Right. I mean, we're talking about everything from pay, you know, paychecks to food to the substance, you know,
Let's be fair, it's both because you have both conservationists and preservationists wanting to go to Africa to see these things. I went to Africa when I was 14 and we did both things and I enjoyed the hunting more, but I think that's the more conservationist side of me versus preservation. I see wildlife and I want to know what it tastes like.
That's why I have the coyote thing.
No, I want Ted wanted to you should have gotten the one Dave just got I'm interest nice it did and the meat that he pulled off of it I mean it looks pretty good, man Not like delicious, but it was a healthy animal. Yeah, it's funny that you say I'm gonna do a YouTube video. I'm gonna shoot a coyote. I'm gonna cook I'm gonna like brine the hams. I'm gonna cook it. I'm gonna smoke it. I'm gonna eat it
I mean, I have, but you know what? And I've been saying this probably for a good six or eight months now, right? But I have not got one that's not been like not stinky enough. Like it's like it's, it can't be like a stinky one. It's got to be a non stinky one. I have not found that coyote yet. You got a trap one and then just feed it nothing but corn and chicken.
Man, we're going to feel the table here, bro. There's a step in the middle. It's field to feed lot than the table. Feed like coyotes. Now you're crossing the line into the show title. Think just because they're vegan, they're cat and or dog should also be vegan. Hey, coyotes are an omnivore. They will eat anything.
Um, absolutely anything actually. Yeah. So I wanted to eat a coyote. And yes, Dave's animal was, it looked very, very healthy. And if there was any, it probably would have been that one, but I tried. It went on a coyote hunt last year. And the first one we shot Dave held it up and he's like, look at this. Obsessed it. It's leg. You still want to eat it? I was like, nope, we're good. Past it. I heard Bob.
Bobcast tastes good. I've heard.
Oh, Bob, Captain Mountain Lion are on my list. I fulfilled. I had a really weird obsession for wanting to try beaver. And I checked that box a couple of years ago. I still like hunting them. I'm talking about ballot box biology. It can color out. It started with them taking away all of our viable trapping options back in like 1994. So we're just stuck with live traps. So I just hunt them instead of trying to trap them because it's too much for pain in the ass.
But no, Bobcat, I've got to figure out if my traps are big enough to try and trap a Bobcat this December, I might have to build a bigger one. But not Bobcat, I want to try Mountain Lion. I definitely want to try to. You guys can't use like holes there. You have to know like it's all live cage traps. So I have four because I gave it my best college try for trapping beaver and I have four.
Hugh, I mean, because Beaver aren't, I mean, some of these bastards aren't small. I've killed a couple of 60, couple of 60 pounders and a 40 something pounder. So you need a big trap for them. I mean, all I can get is four traps, basically. I mean, yeah, it's impossible, which was on purpose. They're up to busting up the dam, sitting out with a thermal and shooting them when they come back.
What my favorite my tried and true method now is just to stand on the edge of the beaver pond and it's always that last 10 minutes right before sundown. They'll pop up and just crack one on the head and call it a day.
It's not called a day. It's you text us for the next hour and a half being pissed off. You can't find the goddamn thing. And then finally finding it, having to skin it out at like eight o'clock at night when it's freezing as cold and you're bitching at us the whole time. God, I was not you. I was saying it was cold. And then you get it home and you're like.
Look what I did guys and we're like, yeah, we're proud of you buddy. I would have eaten a, I would have eaten a bobcat this last year, but it was like three days before the season opened. Maybe, maybe even just two. I went, I went.
hunting the last week of rifle season and Bobcat in Oklahoma is a furbearer. And that doesn't open until December one. So I can't just shoot them. And I was sitting out there in the blind with my son and I started hearing crows and they were getting closer and closer. I'm like, I bet they're following Bobcat. Please shut up.
And I was like, I bet that that is a Bobcat. They're following because crows freaking hate Bobcats and they'll follow him around and just yell at him. Yeah, they do because Bobcats, they prey on crows and they prey on every other small animal around, even small deer. But I wanted to shoot that Bobcat. It was a big, it was a nice sized Bobcat. Let me tell you. Yeah.
I would have eaten that sucker and taken that hide need to buy a cat hide. I got to tell you that story started suspiciously like I would have joined the Marines, but what stolen valor over here. I would have joined the Marines, but they said I was too stupid.
I thought that was going as though like you're like, you know, fuck it. You shot that motherfucker anyways, because it was bought the tacky or something. It's coming right for us. I was over a chicken barn. That's just predator control. I can actually do that legally. Oh, yeah, absolutely. Same here. Same here. All you need to do then. You have a sure.
Okay, before we get too far gone, I've got a few questions. It is our new guest questions that we asked everybody who dares to come on the show. And I'm just going to start. Let's see. What do I want to start with? We don't have very many repeat guests. I wonder if there's a reason. Well, you shut up, Mike.
Okay, I'm going to start just go down the line. So you seem to have done a whole lot already. But what would be your dream hunt? Oh, dream hunt. Right now, probably Africa.
I've got a hankering to kill a frickin hyena, honestly. With that land mane around his face, his teeth. He has to do it with his teeth.
Sorry, I just heard a story about how a male lion will come out and kill a queen hyena if she keeps pissing off his, uh, his, uh, pride. So that's where my head went. Anyway, continue. Sorry. But I have also equally like I've really had it. I want to kill a mountain lion like real bad.
Um, and I want to call it in with a like predator call. I'm down to do it with hounds too, but I want to do it with a predator call and Utah. You don't need tags there anymore. So that might be like the ball. Really? Yeah. Uh, mountain lions are also considered a varmint in Texas. Correct. Correct. So we're Texans.
No, that's here. We could send them a varmint species. They're protected in Texas. Yeah. If I can call in a mountain lion and kill a mountain lion with a prydericle, I feel like that's solid. So he's not here tonight, but that is our, that is Dave's ambition. Yeah. And I'm right in there with him.
He's here in the chat. You can say hi to him in the chat. Oh, good. He's going to get 20 bucks for his beautiful Coyote pelt. Well, nobody cares about those. He did say that Bobcat pills can go for a grand. Yeah, they're not cheap.
It depends on the condition and where the fur markets are at. I used to get a Trapper magazine that would basically every three months and then they had fur prices updated constantly. And I think the last time I saw them, Bobcat was going for like 500 or something for, you know, an average pelt. So yeah, people like people like Bobcat Pelt's Bobcat. I said, I did say that right.
There's a lot of hull blue that they get sent over to China to be turned into fur coats or whatever. I'm just like, okay. I mean, I'm probably dead. It doesn't care. I'd end up keeping it for myself more than anything. But if some reason I became really good at trapping Bobcats, yeah. Yeah, I guess what I'm doing for my employment for the months of December and January. Yeah. No kidding. All right. I didn't realize they're going for that much money.
Is that a thousand bucks behind you? No, it's North Carolina, Bobcat. It can't be worth a thousand dollars. I mean, it looks like it's the size of a ferret. Yeah, it's not. It's not. He's the other guy. That was a cute one. I've seen a couple around here that had to be pushing 60 pounds. Yeah, I think it's your bigger voice. I've seen tiny ones, but I've also seen some of the big ones.
Very floofy boys. So what was that one, Coop, about 20 pounds? Uh, it's probably 20 or 25. Not that big. Okay. Um, I've been waiting like when I shoot a big one, I want to do a
mantle mountain full body, mantle mountain look cool. So I mean, you got to have a good task thermos to do a full body mount bobcat though, because those things are difficult. I've seen some really booger enough ones.
Okay, so 2023, sorry, 2023 average here for Western Bobcats, $300 is a reachable average, lesser quality, $1.50. And they had a few lots going like, I'm assuming these are very exceedingly good specimens for $900 apiece.
Okay. So I mean, again, if you can get good at trap it up, I mean, you can at least pay for your, you know, pay for your season, your hunting season out of a couple of them. But anyway, it sounds like another lucrative way for people to charge you for their equipment and you never to trap a Bobcat. I'm not going to live out of a van and just trap Bobcat. You know, this doesn't sound like a, this sounds like a good lifestyle to me.
If you're going to do that, go to Idaho and shoot wolves. There's a $2,000 bounty on wolves in certain parts of the state. And then there's a nonprofit out there that will reimburse you for everything you bought for the wolf hunt. If you join that nonprofit. So after you're living out of a van, so I could just drive out there. So after the show, I'm going to be telling my wife I'm going to be gone. I'm moving Idaho by.
I'll never succeeded actually hunting a wolf probably, but it'll sound really cool. My headstone. Okay. Thank you. Plan. We buy a van. No, we buy a boat over here, sir. We buy a van bus. One of those vans that looks like a bus. All right. Moving on. Moving on. What can go wrong? So, what would you call your biggest win so far while out hunting?
My biggest win. Biggest win. Yeah. Hmm. And they've done a lot of guiding. You've done a lot of hunting. Like what's that, that thing that stands out? Uh, my first elk, I'd say, um, because we've gone Idaho for like 20 days and got skunked out, got broke off. Um,
And then it was like, man, really super demoralizing. I mean, hunting's hunting, obviously, but you always, you know, like when you put all that time effort training and all that into.
Yeah, you want to seal the deal Yeah, you want to seal the deal obviously you know that especially Think like unit 39 out there. It's like five to eight percent like chance that you're gonna kill an out there and something like ridiculously low number But we went to Montana after Idaho and like My family's not too thrilled about that, but I came home for like two days and went out to Montana and then
Got an elk out there and it was like literally the last like we're like all right, we're gonna glass this ridge line and then After we glass that we got to go and head back We'll go pack our stuff so we get the airport
Um, and then, uh, like through all our stuff, we glass through our stuff in the vehicle and we started to drive up this finger and then there was an elk like 200 yards away from us and we're like,
And I was scrambling and so fast as fast as I could to bail out and like like an Idaho and in Montana We'd been joking like hey wouldn't it be awesome? If like hey look we're driving down the road look there's an off right there We just jumped out of the truck and shot it, you know like this be awesome All right. Well, that's like basically legitimate what happened I practice shooting my rifle up to a
shooting my rifle out to like 1200 meters. But I'm shooting that thing at 100 meters. So that was awesome. Chip shot.
Yeah. Yeah, for that. So I mean, that was like probably, you know, that was a, you know, a major bucket list item that I always wanted to harvest, you know, animal. And I finally did. So I was like, that was super awesome. I said, that's probably the one. Nice. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. So I like this question. We've talked about bear a little bit.
Alright, so here's the premise. You have to go into bear country. And we're talking grizzly bear here. But you can't carry a rifle. What handgun in which caliber are you carrying and why? I'm just gonna so I'm gonna start to answer that question by what I have in my gun safe right now.
Perfect. So I'll go with that because otherwise we can go down these crazy rabbit holes, which I'm bound to go down to by the way, but so I would say I've got a SIG Tacops 1911 and 10 millimeter that I've had ported and some other work done to. So I'd probably just carried that. However,
I have zero problem. I mean, I would probably carry that 10 mil, right? Then there's something I could carry. However, I have zero problems carrying a, my SIG 320 with a Buffalo boar bullets in nine milks. I've watched those Buffalo boar rounds go through two car doors and still fuck up the target on the other side. So like 20 rounds of that into a bear's chest is, I mean, if he's still alive, I deserve to die.
The bear earned that one. Yeah, so it's going to be a cross between those two of the ten miller that or or
You know, my vote is the 1911. I have a tack ops myself. It's in 45. But I mean, first thing I did was take those shitty grips off of it. But other than that, it's been a fantastic pistol. I love it. I think in 2017, the Alaskan Bear Guide of I think 40 years. Oh, yeah, maker killed a nine foot grizzly with that Buffalo bore 147 grain with
I don't remember. I think it was a Smith and Wesson single stack, like concealed carry pistol. Yeah, it was not a big pistol. Yeah, he wasn't guiding for bear. He was taking clients of fly fishing. Had to use it to kill a bear and several of those Buffalo boar penetrated three and a half feet of bear. Yeah.
So that's not near as impressive as the Inuit woman who killed a grisly bear with a 22. It was actually that was a 22, not long rifle. That was a 22 long. Oh, it was a lot. Okay. I thought I thought I thought she smoked that thing with a 22 short, but I mean, see, I did it. I did it for sure, but I just knew it wasn't long rifle. It was not a long rifle. It was 22 long back when that was a thing.
And it was a single shot and she shot at once and then proceeded to shoot at 15 more times in the exact same spot while it lay there just to make sure I would do I Assume it was 15 times that's all the ammo she had
Well, the picture is impressive because there's just like this half dollar sized hole there where she shot it over and over again. And then there's just one little one out here where she put one off target. But that was it. Don't worry about that little guy. Don't worry about that little guy. That's what I was thinking. Movie was a staple of my college years. Yeah. Okay.
Moving on to the next one. If you could hunt one dinosaur, what would it be and what would you hunt it with? Oh, man, it's probably going to be the fucking velociraptor, dude. And I'm probably going to do that with a javelin missile system. Javelin missile. Now, I probably not. Maybe not a javelin missile, but like,
Better be on the safe side. I definitely, I definitely want, I mean, I have to like hybridize that, like I need like a shotgun with a 203 on the bottom with like fleshette rounds, right for it. Because dude.
I actually sold our farm as a kid. We got a butcher shop and we, and I killed all kinds of stuff in the butcher shop, but we had Emu in there, right? It's like smaller ostriches, right? But these bastards were mean. Their eyes closed sideways. They looked like velociraptors. If you went back and they like the pens were there at, and it was like dusk time, right? And you've seen their little head like this, their little eyeballs closed in sideways, and they hit at you.
Right and now the bastards that jump and try to kick you they're like they're terrible frickin birds man. I hate those things You open up the door you hear and you just close the door again. Nope not tonight
Like they, they are like ostriches. They were on thing, but then the emus were like just, they were just mean bastards. I mean, maybe they knew they're going to die or something. I don't know. But my loss or afters. So I remember the emu wars. Yeah. And I remember they won. Velociraptors, I guess. So I'm going to go to the Velociraptor on that. Yeah. Nice. Now I don't want to like spoil your dream hunt. I knew it. You were, I knew you were going to do this.
Are you thinking velociraptors from the movie or the realistic four-foot-tall bird that they were? I mean, I was thinking the movie obviously reality is not quite as cool. Because even the four-foot bird would be cool to hunt, man.
I mean, yeah, fair enough. So especially if they hunted in packs and you've got like 12 of them coming at you, like giant toothy turkeys, but federal federal migratory game loss to apply federal migratory game loss to apply. You have to plug your shotgun at three rounds. Oh, see, that's when you carry multiple shotguns. You got to do that reload. Right.
I was just thinking about it because I was duck hunting in Lake Pueblo, not this weed, regardless. Some sandhill cranes flew over and those things are big bastards. I don't know if they're two or three feet long, but if they're damn wingspans or five feet, if not more,
That's about the size of an actual velociraptor if that's what we're going with. Oh yeah, because then if it's like a sandhill crane hunt when they get up and hiss at you, you just kick him in the head.
Yeah. So all you need some, all you need is some number two steel and you're good to go. What if we've been wrong on this whole time and the velociraptors, just like, revive the Cretaceous? I'm in. What if that's our show title for tonight? In that case, I'm definitely in. Is it taste good? Yes. Like, I don't care if it's dangerous. Like, does it taste good?
worth it. Because I love sandhill crane, man. Oh, man, that Oh, you got me excited that we I got to Texas with my well, now it's both of my brothers and a bunch of my oldest brothers Air Force buddies to shoot geese and that one day of geese and then two day of crane down there and that's in less than a month.
Ooh. Ooh. You see how you thought I was going to ruin this and turn it into something beautiful? I just knew you were going to be a little pedantic asshole. Like, oh, actually turned it into something beautiful. Oh, you did. Good job. You didn't ruin the moment.
All right. This last question, this is a special question that I just added today. Oh, no. Which color crayon is the hardest to hunt? And which one? Which one tastes the best? My favorite one is. I'm in a green mood today. Yeah, for sure.
On the green one blends in They blend in hard to find
I saw a dude at the G.O.A. show in August, works for Stern's defense. He's like, yeah, I'm a Marine. I'm like, sweet. Yeah, I'm Marine too. You know, shake hands, whatever goes check this out. Pulls this shirt up. He's got a holster with crayons in it. Nice. I made him. I was like, dude, I laughed my balls off. That was, I was like, dude, that's the best thing I've seen in a while. My favorite thing about Marines is that
y'all have just adopted it. Like so many people, like people get so mad about the chair force comments. And even sometimes I'm like, I was a maintainer motherfucker.
But y'all are like, yeah, we eat crayons. Yeah. Now what? Like, chairforce comments have been a thing like for forever, forever, right? Like the crayon thing just came about within like the last decade. Cause when I first went to Marine Corps, like I never heard that before, like maybe, and it was probably less than 10 years ago, but everybody straight up with that. They're like, I was like, Oh, yeah, we're dumb. Yeah. Okay. We probably do eat crayons. Okay. Like there's never, it just,
Seamlessly became part of the culture. Yeah. Yeah. I've heard stories of maybe it's just one story, but I've heard stories of recruiters that have crayon boxes on their desks. That's how you know, if the potential recruit reaches for it,
If they're smart, they would have their, like, it's like the pendant, the church. They'd have the name of the recruiter and the contact information on the crown and you just take one. It's actually a test because the one guy you have to call me. He reaches for the yellow one and he doesn't taste like lemon across that guy off the list.
Oh boy. You only reject the ones that grab the white crayon. That's it. If you get rejected from the Marine Corps, like seriously, you know, like the only people are going to take you at that point is the guard. You know, that's it.
I want to I want to make something I want to make something clear when I was like when I joined the Air Force I wasn't much of and I didn't have much of the ability to just know the people so when I went to see the Air Force recruiter the Air Force recruiter you walk in the building and then there's a wall and Air Force Navy and Marines were all in the same building and the door that you open to walk in there had the Army so easy a caveman could do a poster that's when I joined
And so you walk in, you turn the corner to the right, Air Force is on the other side of the wall. Marine's right in front of you and then Navy's down the hall. So I turn the wall, there's a Marine Staff Sergeant. He looks up and he's like, and he goes, hey, bud, come on in here. And I walked right past and went, nope, kept going. Probably a good decision.
Yeah. I don't know. I enjoyed the Air Force. I mean, what I did at least, I liked working on airplanes. The Air Force enjoyed you too. Yeah, and enjoyed chewing me up. I hope I tasted good bastards. A long time. At least things happen.
All right, well, we just crossed an hour and a half. And I think that's probably good for one night, especially with Koop being Eastern time. I think you pay too much attention to the time, but there's also like a natural lull, I feel like, you know, strange fixation with the time.
I bet he has a strange fixation with things we don't know about. Can we move on? You know, Mike, you're usually complaining that you're so tired by the end of everything. You should be grateful that I pay. Yeah, but I'm just saying in general, you should be grateful that I pay attention to what time it is. So grateful, so grateful. I can't wait to go to bed. Whoops, like I can't wait to be rid of these retards. No, you're good.
Been great for a great talk from you guys. I mean, I could keep going too. I'm just trying to be cognizant. I'm down for whatever. I don't care. There's been no laws in conversation here. All right. Well, just for funsies today, I already mentioned these guys. But I got the cheapest. And we're talking.
Like, you know how on Amazon, yeah, on Amazon, you'll get random sellers that it's just somebody in China whacked a keyboard. And that's what the seller name is. Yes. I got a both a tent and a a little teepee hot tent and a stove off Amazon. And so I was trying to give myself carbon monoxide poisoning with it in the backyard. The good news is go. You should post that picture that you sent us. Oh, the glowing stove pipe.
To be fair, that was my fault. I didn't, you know, first time burning the stove, I hadn't quite figured out where, you know, you had to find that right balance with the flu and trim it up, but I got a little trimmed out well. But yeah, it was glowing a nice, nice red in there for a while. But that'll be fun. We're about to hear about his old new tent. Like it's going to just melt and burn down and he's going to be like, Oh, no, my tent.
Well, hopefully that was me in it. Coop didn't join to hear about your hot tent pole. Are you sure? Well, hey, this interests me because. Well, we're not talking about hot dogs in the hot tent pole.
Oh, just thought cat on a hot tin roof. That's like hot dogs at a hot tin pole. That's too many words. It sounds like a country song gone wrong, like something that Bender needs to be doing his ratchety bender thing to you. Anyway, that sounds like an only fans episode at the very least, so.
Stick around for our only fans. It's just pictures of mics broken back. Look, I was going to only fans for hunting, right? So like no porn stuff, like just like you pay two dollars a month and then you get access to hunting episodes and things of that nature. But I just didn't think that that would like
go well with the whole only fans motif. Oh, he has an old fans account, but he only he only shows hunting. That's lame, you know, or like maybe only fans doesn't want that kind of content on there. I don't know. Dude, we're we're consistently throttled on Instagram, but I think I slipped opposed by the algorithm by I posted a picture of the heart of a deer that my that my son shot.
And I'm holding what's left of the heart. There's not much left, but I put in the caption, oil on canvas 2024 with the title aftermath. And it's nothing has come up. And I think I actually might have cracked the code. Just a little bit. You beat the algorithm? I think I beat the algorithm with that one because it's what we have to do every time it's art instead of guns and hunting. Right. I mean, that'll never fly.
Hey, there could be a drastic, hopefully there's a drastic change in what is allowed and to be on the gram here soon, hopefully. I mean, I don't know why chicks can show their freaking titties and hoo hos and we can't show hunting stuff and guns and whatnot. And we get shadow band because of it. But old Zuck was been kissing some ass for the last couple of months and maybe just maybe he'll
Unasked himself, but probably not. Probably not. Or maybe they'll get slapped by Congress with injunctions and what cease and desist, and we'll not for violating 522 protections, but that's also wishful thinking. Yeah, I think so.
I'd like to see an end to section 230 protection for social media companies, but I'm not holding my breath. I don't know what number I said, but you said no number. I just feel like they're probably more than likely just kind of ease up on it for a while because we're not near an election. It always seems that the closer you get to an election, the more serious they are about it. And then after that, they kind of don't care.
It is also gotten extremely bad over the last four years because of the political climate of who was in charge. I feel like they'll ease up a bunch when they don't have big daddy government in their back or at their back. Their activism might cause them to double down. That's entirely possible.
I mean, while we're thinking, we can wish for an end to all the unconstitutional three-letter agencies that are in existence. Probably let's keep around the Department of Energy, nuclear reactors and shit, probably kind of important there. But the rest of them can all go away because there's no provisions in the Constitution for that. So let's go ahead and get rid of start. We start with the ATF because they're a huge door on the side.
go right down to the FBI. Might want to keep the agency and NSA and a very, you know, we can keep them, but they need to be doing what they're supposed to be doing and not spying on us. Same with the CIA. Yeah, they can stay too, but they need to do what they're supposed to do. Right. But you have to be related to a convenience store. Right. We got all these agencies that they're do not need to be around, right? Because they're just redundant, right? Your bureaucratic waste.
Yeah, just beer crust need to go.
Right? Like this new doji little thing that we're going to do, right? I'm down with that, right? There needs to be some accountability, but like let's make that a temporary position. Like, hey, we're going to square away government spending and then we're going to dissolve this thing. That's not meant to be. We're not going from three letter agencies to four. Right. Well, there is something terribly ironic about the department of government efficiency having two heads.
It's like, wait a minute. Hile Hydra. Yeah. That's where I was going with it. Oh, so what are you saying? We, we get rid of one from them. We'll have three. Oh, great. Yeah. I trust them. Oh boy. Wait, it would be Hile Tesla, wouldn't it? Yeah, very much. Yeah. Maybe if you'll colonize Mars and we can make Mars the 51st state.
As long as you can afford DC. I don't even want it. Man, we can shoot most of the people from this planet there and I'm found to hang out here. Yeah. Yeah. Go ban, go ban mountain lion hunting on Mars. Leave us alone. Yay. Yeah. Yeah. Leave us alone. What are your guys's favorite things to hunt? Right now, ducks.
He likes the birds. I'm a quack addict. Honestly, I like to shoot anything that flies. That's why he's got a big talent collection. Yeah, these guys keep making fun of me. They think I'm going to shoot a free duck and it's going to turn into a, it's going to have a white head and three inch talents.
The meme was that you shot your first banded duck has three inch talents. I've been enjoying that a lot, especially in a kayak. Two restless for decoys and kayaking suits me pretty well.
Um, yeah, I'm a bit jealous of that. The whole kayaking out to ducks and just shooting them because they're like, what was this? Exactly. Okay. You're supposed, I'm supposed to come to you.
My deal is deer. I'm a deer hunter. That's what I've done for the past 10, 12 years. I've done some other stuff kind of intermittently, but deer. But I have this idea. So I'm also, I've been a long distance runner too during that time. And I have this idea, if I just run down a trail holding a gun, when I go out and run down the road, deer will just stop and freaking stare at you.
And if I go run down the trail with the gun, I'm wondering if deer will just stop and stare at me. And then I can just stop real quick and just bam. And especially my deer that way. Where are some like bright runner clothes to not camel? So yeah, they're just like my full, my, my full jogger outfit and go run around with a, with a, with an SBR and just.
Smack my dear that way my next question would be what rifle are you running around with and you answered that so thank you for that The real answer any of them I've heard I've heard you know crazier plans than than that I mean
One of my most memorable runs and I've had not very memory, very many memorable runs because I hate running. But I was running and there's this path that goes behind my house and basically goes for two miles from one end of it goes from.
The road back to the road, but in a huge semicircle and my house is on the path of that whole thing. Anyway, so I'm running that semicircle. Same thing as Vince said. I accept this goddamn deer. I come around the corner and this deer is just standing in the path that I'm running on and I have nowhere else to go but the path. There's just huge brushes on either side and he's just staring at me. So I stop and I look at him and he. I'm like, move dickhead.
So I approached him. I kept walking towards me, just sat there and stared at me. He would not move. Like I had to stand there and wait for him to get out of my way at his leisure before I could continue my run. Dude, I was like, the amount of times we're running down a can of road and like look at it 300 yards and see a deer walking down the road.
And I just keep running and get closer and closer and closer. And the deer doesn't even notice until I'm at about 25 to 40 yards. And then suddenly it's like home and like, I think I think we're all doing this wrong.
The whole persistence predator thing was the right move all along. Maybe I go run after him and then once they turn around and look stupid, you shoot him. I mean, Sam's doing it right. He's killed two with cars, three, possibly a third.
Well, I guess. Yeah. It's basically what I talked about, but in super speed. It's the speed run. I'm going to speed run deer season this year, guys. Hold on. So Sam's favorite gun is a minivan. Basically. I'm going to take a giddy, not fix Red Dot and mount it to the hood.
Yeah. Yeah, you got to aim for the head. Those would be great hood ornaments. Yeah, you can always see where you're going. Well, my favorite. I'm the newest person here to hunting. This is only my second full hunting season this time around, I think. So I've hunted crane. This would be the fourth year for doing that.
Second big games season here in Colorado I like hunting beaver because that's the first animal I've actually been able to like who doesn't pinned shut the hell up I am so I'm supposed to I'm just keep telling myself just embrace the stupid meme on that one, but I can't do it embrace it like the crayons I can't do it anyway because that's the first animal I've been able to
pin down and a vocal pin down the beaver. But in the sense of knowing like, okay, I know there habits well enough that I can go up there, you know, find a spot on our next drive up there and have a reasonable chance to success.
Other than that, this was the second year for doing archery elk. I really like hunting elk. Not very good at it. Keep messing up. But I did get to call back and forth with a bull about 100 yards this year. Just couldn't get him to close the drainage and the light was fading too fast by the time I got up and tried to make a move on him. And I am very much enamored by bear hunting, but I fucked up my bear hunt last year. So we got to do better this year.
I'm all over the place. Oh, that's cool, man. Yeah. Last year on the bear hunt, I got it. I have a bad habit of getting in my own head too much. And I got up there and I scattered out there. I skatted a good spot. I thought it was going to be got up there plus plenty of food that their acorns were in, berries were in, popped up over the ridge and there's fucking cows everywhere.
I was like, oh, you've got to be kidding me. And the cows that stripped all the food. And then I just spent the day hiking around, getting mad and left, which is a bad thing to do. You're more likely to be killed by a cow than by a bear. There I am having a panic attack. The cows were coming my way.
I didn't know what to do back. Sorry coop. There's some deep lore here of my house while trying to hunt. No, I was camping with my child and they approached me in cow fashion. They were being chased by humans, so short story version.
The campground we were at, it was open on one end, had that cattle guard and some hikers had gone out. They were wandering around the field with the cattle. The cattle got pissed off. They wandered. The fence had gotten down so they weren't around the cattle guard into the campground and we're heading directly up the hill straight towards me and my daughter being chased by angry. I don't know if they were angry humans or just they're trying to get away from the people that were chasing them.
Yes, I know they're cows, but cows, animals being chased by humans, getting running directly into other humans, same kind of people that are chasing them. Animals get pissed off sometimes. Yeah, they do. So, yeah, I was, again, I was more nervous about the cows than I was the bear. I had options for the bear.
All those videos my conceit of the running of the bulls in Spain he's like oh shit I've seen this one before. I brought my way to jumpsuit. You should want them things at least you know you're eating good to you know. That's fair. I thought it was an elk. It moved at me just like an elk. What sound do you think elk make?
Yeah, definitely not that one. I mean, you'd also think that people wouldn't mistake a black Angus for a whitetail deer either, but I've seen that go South quick too. I mean, Huskies for wolf pups. Some guys face for a bird. Some guys ask for a bird, apparently.
Yeah, I heard that one. I like my Dick Cheney joke better, but that's a weird thing that happened. He's polished. Yeah, I forgive him for that one. We're not a very smart people. No, that's true. Some chick, I think last year or the year before, some chick, I think it was like Alabama Arkansas, maybe Arkansas.
Uh, this guy and girl are all hog hunting, hunting in separate spots. And for some reason, the dude came into her spot. Like on all fours. Right. And she had a thermal. Okay. Party foul. Oh geez. And she shot his ass and killed him.
That's what he gets. Yeah, maybe fix stupid on that one. Maybe he thought he was, you know, being sneaky. Dude, that's firmly in the realm of like play stupid games and win stupid prizes. Yeah. Do not feel bad for that guy at all. Yeah. I don't feel bad for a family either because they lost their idiot provider.
Unless it was like he was crawling under some brush and literally couldn't stand up to get there. Like, I don't even, what hypothesis does anyone in like the investigation team, like the, the outfitter or how, however they're hunting, like what possible explanation do you have for why motherfuckers on all fours in the middle of the night, in the woods, why you're hogging with a thermal?
I mean, maybe he was hoping for a full moon and he was supposed to transform and he just didn't.
No, I mean, uh, maybe she knew him and dragged him out there and forced him to crawl and said crawl, bitch. And he finally crawled a hundred yards away and she shot him. Oh, yeah, there were closet furries and this was part of the plan, but she was she had an agenda. He was a furry. She was a Dom and they got. Okay. Ships mixed up. I don't want to hear about this.
she told him to go use the litter box shot his ass all right so
I think we are officially off the rails and it's time to wrap things up. What rails? Yeah, exactly. We have a couple of affiliate codes. Check out getting off the LGA podcast. Hold on. We'll get there. All right. Camarado. Camarado. Camouflage. Everybody's Sean Heron over. We like shooting. Check out camarado.com. Use code. Let's go hunt for 5% off.
Coop, tell us where people can find you and all about the booba. What did you do? I didn't do anything on an episode giveaway.
Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Yeah, you got to say something about that. We hit 100 episodes. We hit 100 episodes. We hit 100 episodes. We hit 100 episodes last week, and I will be publishing this show. Actually, I'll publish it tomorrow because on the 26th, is that the right day? 26th will be announcing the winner, but the winner of the
100 episode giveaway gets a, it's not like a gift card, but it's like a coupon code. One time you used coupon code four four hundred and sixty nine dollars and ninety nine cents off at giddynopics.com. They were kind enough. Yep. Our favorite little bobbert, our moist blobbert.
our moistest. He is in the ocean. I will put the link to that in the show notes. Also, if you just go to our Instagram, it's the links in the bio. I almost said it's in the Bible. We don't have our own Bible. Anyway, yeah. So let's go hunt Bible and Coop. Where can people find you and all about the reason outdoors?
You can find me on Instagram under hunting Carolina's all one word you might double search it because I have a tendency to be shadow banned or you can find me at the reason outdoors on Instagram as the underscore reason underscore outdoors.
underscore or the reasonoutdoors.com. We've got a YouTube channel as well for the reason outdoors or my hunting Carolina's YouTube channel. Any of those places you can find me. If you're a veteran or first responder and you want to get on a hunt, you can go out to the reasonoutdoors.org and fill out an application.
And we'll get you in the queue. And if you are someone out there who wants to donate, you can go to the reasonoutdoors.org and donate there as well. Or if you want to sponsor, send us a message on any of those platforms. And we will get in touch with you. So that's how you can find me. Can you tell me a little bit more about the hunt you guys take vets on before we kick out of here tonight?
Yeah, sure. We do, I mean, we're have guns, we'll travel kind of outfit. So we've done iguana hunts. We've done hog and deer hunts. We've done predator competitions and coyote hunts. I've got some elk hunts, obviously. We've got some guys go out to Montana Thursday to do an elk hunt.
We're going out to Colorado, out to your guys' neck of the woods for pronghorn dough and coyote here in a couple weeks and then we've got some hugging deer hunts coming up for the first of the year and then after that we'll be into predator competitions and
a bunch of other stuff. So we travel, like I said, we're have guns, we'll travel. So some, we do some a little bit of everything. And part of what we do is, you know, like you don't have to be a hunter. I mean, like a lot of guys who just don't know how to get started in the hunting game. We like to take new hunters, teach them.
you know, the how, the why, why we do what we do. And then when we harvest something, you know, show them how to skin got quarter it, clean it, and then how to cook it too. So that whole field to table experience, you know, so you don't have to be a, you don't have to be a
you know, longtime hunter to hunt with us. It would take anybody and we'll teach you what we know about what we're hunting. So yeah, we will hunt anything and
And take folks hunting for whatever. And we do our backcountry stuff, which is a lot of DIY. We have a couple weeks ago we brought guys down the Featherhorn farm down in Summerton, South Carolina for a hog and deer hunt. They're a duck out fitter mainly, but we did hogs and deer there.
Some folks contact us and want us to bring people to them. Some stuff we do like DIY ourselves and a whole mismatch of stuff. Yeah. For us, it's about, you know, we got to take care of each other because if we don't, nobody else is going to, you know? Yep. So VA damn sure ain't going to do it.
Nope, nope. So ecotherapies, how we get that done, my friend. Ecotherapy.
Yeah, wholeheartedly agree. I actually, we end every show with take a buddy hunting and I'll go into it next week in detail, but I took one of my chicken store buddies, duck hunting for his first time and we did it out of the boat. We're pretty successful at it. We had a lot of fun, so I imagine that's the same kind of feeling that the vets that go with you, they get that same kind of experience.
Yeah, there's healing in the outdoors and it's not always about the harvest, it's about the camaraderie and about nature and just getting back to just being off the grid in nature and just there's a lot of healing.
in that environment there, you know, and I made it healed me and helped me a lot and still does. And I want to spread that and, you know, spread that to our bedrooms and first responders, you know, so. And there's something, there's something inherently healing for being a vet or a first responder or first responder vet going out and being among your people, as it were, you know, you're. Yeah.
We make fun of the other services, but you me and a space force dude could go have a beer and we'd we'd have no problems chatting. It's
It's the camaraderie that a lot of people, a lot of vets, they seek out with things like this, and they seek it out through some of them do it through new methods. Some of them do new methods like, oh, I met one who had never been fishing before. It was his first time fishing. I mean, granted, I'm not very good at it. I've barely started, but, you know, his first time, and he's already, you know, he's retired. He's got grown kids. He's never been fishing.
But he's up there. He's up on the lake with us healing, just like we are. And we share our experiences both in and out of the military. And there's so much value in that. So I absolutely love that you do that for people. Yeah, thank you. You're absolutely right, man. You're absolutely right.
and, you know, getting people just, you know, a lot of, you know, a lot of guys and gals, they get out of the military and they're like, you know what, like, I'm done with that part of my life, like F that, right? However, you know, they're in four years, they're in 24 years. And they lose, especially folks who only did like, you know, eight years or less, you know, they get out and they like,
They're so disillusioned by the military. They cut themselves off that they knew in the military and cut themselves off from their network. And getting folks like me, you, we take two other guys that we don't know. By the end of the weekend, we're going to be best friends and camaraderie.
You're being with your tribe. A lot of guys really lose touch of that. And they lose sight of themselves. So just getting guys to connect helps a lot. Yeah, 100%.
So thank you for both coming on and joining us. And thank you for what you do for the vets and the first responders, man, because it's you can't say it enough. It's huge. Appreciate it. So thank you guys. Yeah, absolutely. If you guys got nothing else.
Yeah Mike, run us on out of here. All right, support the sport and take a buddy hunting. If you like that buddy, tell them about our show. If you don't tell them about me, Peter, just kidding. Don't tell them about me, Peter. Get rid of him. Hit us up at lthpodcast.com. Thanks for listening and let's go hunt. Uh huh. And I lost my show title, but I liked a feedlot coyote.
Um, ribeye from the Cretaceous. Yeah, Dave said ribeye of the Cretaceous and I lean towards Dave's, uh, and you know, on this, these such things. Gideon Optics says thanks for supporting the firearms radio network. Check out the rifle optics like the Guardian LPVO and pistol optics like the Omega and rock. Fair prices and great performance on whatever optics you need. Visit Gideonoptics.com where affordability meets quality, save 10% with code FRN 10. Now listen to another podcast.
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