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Let this guide you in challenging times. He was a young man. It was a challenging time. There was a lot going on in the world. All we know is that sometime in the early second century AD, Junius Rousticus gave Marcus Aurelius a gift. The remembrances of Epictetus, as Marcus would most gratefully refer to the book that Rousticus gave him,
which he supplied to me out of his own library. How well-worn this copy must have become, how helpful the insights of a former slave must have been to a man who was about to become yoked to incredible responsibility and a crushing burden.
Roostakus had taught Marcus to never be satisfied with just getting the gist of things he read and encouraged him to read deeply, repeatedly, and forcefully. Considering how many times Marcus quotes Epictetus from memory and meditations, it's likely that he treated this copy of discourses like a Bible, returning to it time and time again. We can imagine that Seneca's copies of Zeno, Cleanthe's, Chrysippus, and Epicurus must have been similarly well-worn.
You must linger among a limited number of master thinkers and digest their works," he advised the Lucilius, if you would derive ideas which shall win firm hold in your mind. A generation before that, someone was introducing Epictetus, then no more than a slave to the works of Musonius Rufus, and you could go back further still and sit in a bookstore and watch Zeno washed up from a shipwreck, being introduced to philosophy by way of the works.
of Socrates. More recently before the Vietnam War, James Stockdale had an almost identical experience as Marcus when he was given a copy of Epictetus by one of his professors at Stanford. Soon after, in a three-year span, Stockdale spent three seven-month missions in the waters off Vietnam. He was flying in combat near daily, but on my bedside table, he said, no matter what carrier I was aboard were my Epictetus books.
So for thousands of years, that's what the Stoics have been doing, how their books were intended to be used, to be kept at hand.
And as it happens, this is the tradition that the Daily Stoics, which I was lucky enough to write with my longtime friend and collaborator, Steve Hanselman, that's what the Daily Stoic has been lucky enough to become. Back in 2016, we thought it was pretty remarkable that despite more than 2,000 years of this stoic tradition of keeping philosophy on us, no one had ever put the best of the Stoics in one book.
It's been a pretty incredible and humbling experience to see the success of the daily store because had since its release, you know, it's now sold millions of copies in more than 30 languages. It's spent more weeks on the bestseller list than any other book about stoicism ever, but even better, almost every week, it's one of the most read books on Amazon, meaning that people are actually picking it up and reading it on a daily basis. They've been rereading it on a daily basis now.
for going on nine years. In celebration of that and to encourage another year of stoicism for you and everyone you know, the good news is that the ebook is now 299 in the US. It's on sale in the UK also. And that's going to be going on for the next week if you haven't picked one up. It's also why we created a leather edition of the book because
After eight years, some people's heart covers were already falling apart. Stoicism is designed to be a daily practice, part of our daily routines. It's not a philosophy you read once and magically understand at the soul level. No, it's a lifelong pursuit that requires diligence and repetition and concentration.
Pierre Hado called this spiritual exercise. And that's one of the benefits of the page a day format that we ended up organizing the Stoics into. And it's also the benefit I think of the weekly themes in the Daily Stoic Journal. You might hear those episodes on this podcast.
It's putting one important thing for you to review to have it hand in a fully digest each day, not in passing that sporadically, but every single day over the course of a year, preferably year in and year out. And if Epictetus is right, it's something you're supposed to keep within reach at all times. And that's why I think humbly why this collection of greatest hits
has been so appealing to people. So here we are, the beginning of a year, just as challenging as any in Marx who releases time. And we hope that you'll give the daily stoic a chance and printer with the ebook, the audiobook. I also hope that you'll pick up
the Stoic practice of journaling this year. You can grab the Daily Stoic Journal or any other notebook. You can make your own greatest hits of the Stoics and come back to that on a daily basis. That's what a commonplace book is. That's what I do in my own practice because look, if 2025 is anything like 2024 or any year since Epictetus is time,
you're going to need it. You can grab the discounted e-book on Amazon or anywhere you get your e-books. I think you can also just go to dailystoke.com slash discount and it'll redirect you. Let me see. You can grab a signed leather bound or a signed hardcover if you want one of those. You can grab that at stork.dailystoke.com. I'll link to all this stuff in today's show notes. And I hope you're kicking off 2025 right. I'll talk to you all soon.
Hey, it's Ryan. Welcome to another episode of The Daily Stone Park. This might sound a little different than usual. That's because I am in my car on the way to the airport. I just tried to get some work done at the office, and I drove and picked my son up from school, drove him to my other son's school where my wife was taking them home. And I am heading to the airport in Austin. I'm flying to New York tonight, and I'm going to do Tamron Hall.
which is like a daytime or a morning television show. It's wonderful. She's been a huge supporter of Daily Stoke on my work over the years. As it happens, she's actually from a small town here in Texas called Bowling. But so I'm heading from Bastrop to New York City. I might see my sister who just had some medical stuff going on. So I might see my sister, but I've got some edits to do on the plane. I'm editing part two of the wisdom book.
And then I'm going to do this morning show, and I wanted to bring you a chunk of that appearance, because we were talking stoicism, the 10-year anniversary of obstacle, and more importantly, how one brings justice into the world. But mostly, although I don't like being gone, I'm only being gone for one sleep, not even
24 hours. I'm going to land it for tomorrow. I'm taking off at five today, but it is insanely hot here in Texas. So I'm looking forward to experiencing a few hours of fall along in New York City. I'm going to run it in Central Park, do the thing tomorrow. And anyways, here's me talking with Tim and home.
That's the problem. We never say we're never going to do it. We don't say I'm not going to do it. We say I'm going to do it later. We're going to say I'm going to do it when I have a better chance. And meditation marks really says you could be good today. Instead, you choose tomorrow. It's actually more pragmatic. I would argue to do good today while you have the chance.
Welcome back. Today we are talking about doing the right thing right now based on Ryan Holiday's brilliant new book by the same name. Ryan is still with us. I love that you personalize all of your books, but you talk about this moment in your own life where you looked out and there was trash everywhere and you were upset and go through the story of what happened there.
Well, we're from similar places in Texas. I love living out in the country. Shout out to Bastrop. Yeah, small Texas, rural small Texas. Yeah, it's wonderful, except, you know, people dump their trash. There's not as much police presence of people kind of do what they want. And, you know, I remember driving by this stuff and thinking, no one's gonna take care of this. But if it's some, it hit me that if I didn't do something about it,
after passing it enough times, I was complicit in it being there, right? And I think that's a, you know, I think that's a phenomenal point about the empowerment of complaining versus action. Yeah, what are you gonna do about it? Yeah. I don't like it, I didn't choose it, it's not my fault, but if I allow it to continue, I am at least complicit in it continuing. Yeah. And so it's a care of it, you know, that's what I do. Well, you know, I think a lot about that.
Yeah, we both have five-year-olds, and we live in New York City, and my son walks to school every day, and like so many New Yorkers and people who visit us, and around the country, you see someone who's experiencing homelessness.
And I've grappled with this conversation of, am I teaching my son to accept that this is life by walking by, or am I supposed to stop every time a five-year-old and constantly explaining to him that this is not just, this is not how we rightfully should treat humans. And I'm so torn because at the end of the day, he's a five-year-old walk into school, but I don't want him to be a five-year-old who doesn't see a human being.
When I walk past the beautiful place that I live and it's filled with tires and trash, I don't like it. But Stoicism is about looking for the opportunity. And the opportunity is, okay, we as a family are gonna clean this up. And then we're gonna learn, we're gonna learn, and we're gonna become the people that clean things up. But one of the things Aristotle talks about, which I think is so great, is virtue isn't this thing that you have that you're born with. It's a thing that you do. You become generous by being generous. You become helpful by being helpful. It's a thing you do.
So in that situation of life.
You know, with a child especially, because I do think, you know, we're talking about it as adults and we can take this information with us, but a lot of it is what we're passing on in teaching. Whether you're the parent or a teacher or someone who encounters a kid doing bad behavior, you always see the jokes about back in the day if a kid was doing something wrong, you could walk over and say, oh, honey, don't do that. Now you can't do that. And I highly don't recommend you doing it. But virtue is about what we live, but what we,
because that's what you're trying to do with the book. Yeah, it's the opportunity and it's a teachable moment for me to raise kids that are not people that dump their trash by the side of the book. Right, right. Let's talk about it in the context of fairness. Yeah. Right, because that is another complicated word. Like, what is just, what is fair? Yeah.
It's different, someone said it's different for everyone. And see, I don't, I try my best never to say that's not fair. Sure. Because it's not, nothing is. I don't think any, it's not, first of all, you don't get to pick the parents that bring you in this world. You don't get to pick your zip code. Yeah. You know, and the minute you come out the wound, that starts to race unfair. Yes. Depending on,
depending on so many things. Well, here's the thing, life is not fair. It is not. But you can be fair, and I can be fair, and I can try to treat people fairly. So again, let's think about it as something we kill. What is fairness? And something, as opposed to something we get, how we treat people, or do we treat them with, do we treat them the ways that we would want to be treated? There's a reason that every philosophical and religious tradition has some formulation of the golden rule. That's basic fairness. How would I want to be treated, right?
And so I would agree, the world is unfair, the world is dark, the world is confusing. There's all this stuff happening. But we can be a bright light within that. We control how we treat people, how we paint people. We control what we do. And that's what justice, that's where we should start with justice. And I think that's the beautiful part of it. So looking at fairness, you're not looking at how the world defines it. It really is like you said, how do I want to be treated? How would I feel in that situation?
And what little power do I have in this situation? And how do I use that to bring that into the world? So instead of complaining about what they're doing in Washington or in Europe or your state government or whatever, how are you treating? We have all these opinions about how the world should be. But then each of us controls our own sphere, our family, our business, or how we treat someone at the grocery store. How do we bring that into the world? Let's start there. And that makes an enormous difference.
We're going to talk about doing the right thing when it's hard after the break.
before it happens. He says he who suffers before it is necessary suffers more than is necessary. Be present while you can. Do what you can in anticipation of that happening. You don't need to borrow suffering and you don't need to make yourself more unhappy than you need to be.
Welcome back here. That's a best selling author, modern day philosopher, Ryan Holliday, talking about his new book, Right Thing Right Now. I love this subtitle, Good Values, Good Character, Good Deeds. You talk about in the book, A Little Boy at the Beach. I heard the beach behind you. And he saw a starfish. Yes. And he took action there.
Yeah, there's a story about a boy walks up to a beach and it's covered in starfish. There's been a storm. They've all washed up on the beach and he's horrified. And so he begins to throw them back into the ocean one by one. And a man, we were talking about how adults, we can make our kids cynical. The man says, you know, there's millions of starfish here. You're not possibly going to make a difference. And as the boy throws one more starfish in, he says, but it makes a difference to this starfish.
And when we think about justice, again, we can despair if we're trying to bring about global change or transformative change, not that these aren't things worth hoping for, but it matters to each individual person that you help, too, so picking up litter by the side of the road, giving someone a raise, being nice to a stranger, holding the door. All of these things matter, and it matters to the person that it matters to.
All right, I love that, I love it. So in the book, right thing right now, I mean, we're here sitting on the couch, we're comfy with our tampon. It's easy to say, I would do the right thing, it's so easy. But I'm gonna give you a scenario. You go to the grocery store today, the person who's checking you out meets you with hostility, they meet you with anger, they are mad, they're throwing your lemon down the little thing. And you're sitting there, you've had a bad day, grocery prices are high, and you're going,
Not today. He's not today. That's a tough scene. We've been there. Someone is needing you hot. Yeah. And you're tired. And now you gotta do the right thing right now. Yes. That happened to me yesterday. No. One of the things Marx really talks about in meditations, he says, the best revenge is to not be like that.
And if you think about why this grocery clerk is being short with you, that's not a fun job. People are coming at them hot for hours in a row. They're on their feet all day. And so we can step back and you try to imagine what it's like to be that person.
They're not pulling anything over on you by being mean to you. You're winning. You are having a better time than them almost certainly. And so that sympathy, that empathy, and then realizing that you can meet this hostility with kindness. Now, this requires an immense amount of discipline, too. That's why the virtues are so related. Right, because that does require discipline not to snap back. Even in your personal life at home, you come home, you've had a long day, someone's done something, and you're like, coming in hot.
It's like- Yeah, you don't have to take the bait. Yeah. And I'm not saying I never take the bait. If you were saying- You take every push you take everybody to. Yeah, but the idea of deciding, hey, I'm not gonna let this ruin my day. And most importantly, I'm not gonna let it change the person I am. I think that's like the number one struggle we face today. That's the best way to do it. That is. It's not, I'm not gonna let you change me. Let me bring another situation to you. Because we are very much in a,
stay out of someone else's business culture. I do a lot of work with survivors of domestic violence. It's something we talk a lot about. When is it your business? And that's what it becomes hard to do the right thing, because you know it's not your business, but it is your business.
Yeah, I mean, look, there is, especially in New York City, it's a busy place. It's kind of a keep your eyes down. Look at the street. But I think the world is like that now. We both live in small towns. You know, that let's borrow a cup of sugar. That doesn't even apply in small towns anymore, you know. Yeah, some of the crime stories I do on Deadline, that was in small towns.
You can't turn a blind eye to something you know is wrong. And I think the decision to get involved is a decision we've got to make. Obviously, you got to keep yourself safe also. But the decision to speak up when you see something is an advocate for others when you see something. And again, I don't mean just
in moments of a violent situation, but when you see something is not right. I try to be very, very skeptical of that impulse inside myself that tries to tell myself that this isn't my problem. You know, like, this isn't your, you know, I don't want to intervene in people's business, but I also, I want to make sure I'm not rationalizing the easy thing, which is to go the other direction. Because I say, you know, we had a rash of incidents on airplanes and people like get the phone to record it.
or, you know, someone on a subway and give them gets the phone. And I am like, oh, I don't want you to jump into harm's way. But is the solution to grab the phone and record it or call the police or something? I don't know. You know, it's like our society is very, you know, we used to call it a rubber necking. Now it's camera necking. I want to, you know, just record all of this.
But again, thinking if this was happening to you, what would you want someone else to do? And letting that guide your action. I love it. So this year, you're celebrating the 10th year anniversary, your Wall Street Journal, number one best-selling novel, The Obstacles in the Way. It's all of the two million copies worldwide. It's been translated in 40 different languages. Why do you think, 40 different languages? Why do you think people are, that is incredible. What is the poll here?
Well, look, obstacles are a perennial part of life. We all experience, we wake up in a world that we don't control and we're trying to overcome adversity and difficulty. But in the 10 years since writing the book, I think one of the things that I've come to understand is it's not just, hey, how do I use this to get better at business? How do I get smarter, stronger? But realizing that every obstacle is a chance for you to do the right thing, right? That we always have the ability to do the right thing.
You know, Truman famously had that little thing on his desk that said the buck stops here, but he had another one that just said, always do right. This will astonish people. Well, this is brilliant as always, and thank you so much for inspiring this hour. Riley's book, right theme right now, is out now. And guess what? I'm gonna do the right thing. Tan Pham, you're all going home with a beautiful copy of a book that should be in everyone's home. Thank you to Riley.
Hey, it's Ryan. Thank you for listening to the Daily Stog Podcast. I just wanted to say we so appreciate it. We love serving you. It's amazing to us that over 30 million people have downloaded these episodes in a couple of years. We've been doing it. It's an honor. Please spread the word. Tell people about it. And this isn't to sell anything. I just wanted to say thank you.
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