JRE MMA Show #165 with Jiří Procházka
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January 25, 2025
TLDR: Joe Rogan interviews Jiří Procházka, a professional UFC Light Heavyweight mixed martial artist.
In episode #165 of the Joe Rogan Experience MMA Show, host Joe Rogan sits down with Jiří Procházka, the professional mixed martial artist competing in the UFC's Light Heavyweight division. The conversation dives deep into Jiří’s training philosophies, recent fights, and the mental aspects of martial arts. Here are the key takeaways from the episode:
Health and Training Insights
Preparation and Discipline: Jiří discusses the importance of balancing intense training with recovery. He mentions feeling under the weather just days before a fight, which forced him to reconsider his training intensity and listen to his body.
Daily Improvements: Procházka emphasizes the philosophy of getting 1% better each day, whether through physical training or mental visualization. He advocates for meditation as a powerful tool during recovery periods.
Heart Rate Monitoring: While he relies heavily on the feel of training for recovery management, he also experimented with heart rate monitoring during a high-altitude training camp in Mexico, observing how physical outputs can change in challenging environments.
Fight Strategy and Evolution
- Evolution as a Fighter: Jiří shares insights about learning from past fights, particularly his second match against Alex Pereira. He underlines the necessity of adaptation in fight strategy, pointing out improvements in his counters and strikes during his fight against Jamal Hill.
- Embracing Chaos: Jiří thrives in chaotic exchanges in the cage, finding clarity and focus—something he credits as a natural disposition for fight situations.
- Defensive Techniques: Throughout the conversation, he smartly explains how staying light on his feet and using dynamic movement is crucial for his success, instead of simply adhering to traditional defensive postures like keeping hands up.
Fighter Mindset and Philosophy
Meditations and Mental Control: Jiří reveals his approach to maintaining mental clarity through meditation and self-talk, which help him stay grounded and focused before challenges inside the octagon.
Understanding the Opponent: He values the importance of reading his opponents, understanding their movements, and predicting their next steps. This level of mental preparation plays a crucial role in his fight strategy.
Perspective on Losses: Discussing his loss to Pereira, Jiří reflects on how losses can serve as strong motivators for self-assessment and development. He emphasizes acceptance of mistakes and using them as a learning opportunity.
Future Aspirations and Challenges
- Looking Ahead: Jiří expresses a desire to face top contenders in his division, showing enthusiasm about proving his skills against the best. He’s open to whatever challenges come next, reinforcing the idea that the thrill of competition drives him.
- Belief in Self: His journey is not just about becoming a champion but also about nurturing a deeper connection to martial arts and maintaining loyalty to his coaches for continued improvement.
Closing Thoughts
- Art of Fighting: The episode concludes on a philosophical note where Jiří discusses the essence of martial arts—not only as a physical battle but as a journey of self-discovery, resilience, and artistry.
This episode of JRE MMA showcases Jiří Procházka not only as a fighter but as a thinker, emphasizing the profound connection between martial arts and life. His insights offer inspiration for fans and aspiring fighters alike, demonstrating that success in mixed martial arts requires more than just physical prowess—it demands mental fortitude and continuous growth.
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Great to have you in, man. Great to be here. How you feeling? You must be feeling fantastic. Many things were successful, so even if I was a little bit had a flu, many things... You had a flu before that fight?
Yeah, for one week, like five days, five days before, five weeks, I was in, like, how to say that. He, like, bodies, fever, fever, fever, fever. So, yeah. That's crazy. That was, that was, yeah, that was something that I, but every time.
Maybe I'm a little bit glad for that because I'm every time trying to push my preparation too much that I'm every time like I heard myself or I'm over-trained. So that's why I'm maybe just a little bit glad for that. That's interesting, right? It's so hard because you want to prepare so hard. You're so disciplined, so driven.
You can do yourself a disservice. You can go too far and then you don't recover enough and then you go into the fight a little compromised. Yeah, that's right. Yeah, we've seen that many times with fighters who just get so enthusiastic about their training. Yeah, it goes. I feel like.
self confidence and still there is something what you can do better. Yeah, every day. That's my idea of the training life life idea to to go better every day. 1% better, 1% better. Even if you don't if you can't train, you can sit.
In the meditation, the visual is how you train, how the body is working. Sometimes it's the most biggest thing what you can do is just like you show me the floating.
Yes. Yeah, you need one of those, man. If all the people that I know, you need one. Sensory deprivation tank. You should get one of those. Because I know you're into meditation. I know you spend a lot of time in dark rooms. That's meditation times 100.
Do you monitor your heart rate every day to see what your recovery is out or you just go by feel? Feeling feeling feeling I did that in high attitude training in all the November in Mexico Mexico City Where is the 2,300 200? Yeah, 7,700 feet above sea level. I believe yes
And there I monitor everything, like take a blood exams before in and after this camp, four weeks camp there and amazing, amazing how your endurance was incredible in that fight because that was such a high and still paced fight.
And still, I felt like after that flu, I felt a little bit down. Well, that's pretty amazing, then. You must have been in the same shape before the flu. Yeah. It's a fine line of balance. Yeah. So you went to Mexico City. Did you know a gym up there? Did you bring your camp up there?
Uh, I was there in a UFC performances to do there. There's a, there's a new one. Nice. Yeah. You have everything here in the performances to do like regeneration, training coaches, uh, coaches with the pads. And, uh, so I was there for, especially for, uh, to work
on the things what I took from the last fight with Pereira to work on the hands up a little bit and just a little bit. A little bit. But we were talking about it in the broadcast. Your hands down sometimes has a benefit.
There's a real advantage to it because no one sees where those punches are coming from. So for the people that don't know what I'm talking about. Not just bunches, movement, movement, movement. Head movement was excellent. Everything. Your head movement was excellent. And the feeling, feeling.
with the hands up is another one with the hands down. Because this is your natural posture. So you spend the most of the time in this and it's about just feeling the space, feeling the... I can explain to another person like this one because
When I am in, in the flow, like you want to be, in the flow, in the fight, between the flow and the uncomfortable, somewhere in the center. So when I achieved this attitude,
That's why I don't need to keep my hands up because this for me means and for everybody. That means defending. I don't need to defend myself when I see everything, when I feel everything. But like I understand in this preparation where I tried, where I did, all the camp hands up.
like this gives you the calm in a close distance. In a close distance it's not so... sometimes it's not so smart to keep hands down. But I'm crazy enough to
to go through, to be in the moment, to stress my body so much in this situation, to see every movement, every start of the movement of my opponent that I can react before he starts.
The next level is to try to read the thinking of the opponent, what he wants to do before he do that. So there is a many levels of that.
but sometimes I can't to explain that sometimes, like in the second fight with Pereira, I was a little bit punched in the end of the first round, so I stepped to the second round and I said to my... I was two courageous and keep the hands down, so that's why it happened.
Well, it should have been more defensive maybe to recover. Yes, yes. One thing you said after that fight, you said you have to evolve. And one thing that I saw in this last fight, which Amal Hill was evolution. I really saw it. You really see it. Like the counters, the head movement and the counters were brilliant. There's one that I put on my Instagram stories. It was so incredible.
He threw a punch, you slid slightly out of the way, landed a straight left, and then the right hook that dropped him. But it was so dynamic. It was so fast and precise. I was like, that's a different Yuri Prohaska. Like your earlier fights were always excellent. You always had amazing power and very unusual movement, very difficult to predict. But the sharpness of your counters was on another level in this fight.
That's what I worked on. Yeah. To be not just connect to the opponent and react what's happened right now, but a little bit before what will happen. Yes. Well, you're definitely getting better, which is so fascinating.
You know, so you, you had a very brilliant approach. You waited until you had reached a certain level before you entered the UFC. You could have been in the UFC years earlier. Yeah. Yeah, that's right. That's right. Fitness isn't just about what you do in the gym. It's also about your nutrition, but even with the best diet, some nutrients can be hard to get and AG1 can help fill those gaps.
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how to do that. That's why I'm keeping my two coaches, what I began with, began with all the time with me. Because I think that's the only thing you can go to be a master in something to stay with some people, with some tight circle.
a tight circle in a sum and go deeper, you can go really deep. It's also, I value loyalty. Loyalty is very important. And this is it. It means a lot. And when people worked really hard to get you to a certain level, what I like is there's some coaches that they recognize that maybe there's other skill sets they can bring in, so they work with other people as well.
you know, but always stay with the people that, as long as the relationship is good, always stay with the people that brought you to the game. Sure, because in the end, you can change whoever, but you have to start again with the same people and go, and again, you will go to the same level, to the same problems with these people, because it's not about them, it's always about you to recognize what's in you.
How much tape do you watch? Do you watch a lot of film? Do you watch videos or fights? Yeah. Yeah. I was five days sick before the fight, so I just watched the Spartans 300. Yeah. On the back, I watched... On the back, man. That's wild shit. Man. No wild shit, but I was really hungry for...
to see something because a long time I didn't see some good movie. It doesn't matter if it's good or new, but these old classics of the fighting, Jean-Claude Van Damme with Kate Boxer and all these things, that's what made a spark inside me to a true love for martial arts because in that movie they
live that really leave that and they have no other chance to to solve their problems just just by martial arts and something so that's that's why I'm so you got inspired by movies yeah do you watch a lot of films of fight footage like your fights your opponents fights
But I don't need many times to study that. I just need to see the attitude of the start of the fight, how he's fighting his...
how to say his spirit, his mindset, how he's thinking, how is the start of moving of his body, how he's reacting for not just for opponent, for the many situations, for slipping and movement, but everything, like a personal and studying that guy. His energy, his wife, how he's reacting, how he's reacting in the
in some situation, like these eye-pokes and all these things, like some breaks in the fight every time, because it shows you how he has under control himself all the time, all the time.
Hmm, and this is something was Alex Pereira. I don't know what what is his story behind but He have to he handled that He handled that and that's why he is how he is now he's starting to be more relaxed and I wish him to to stay sharp
Well, I think he's more relaxed outside the fight, but in the fight. He's always very calm. Very calm and very focused. Did you watch your first fight with him before you watched the second, before you have fought him the second time?
Yes, sure, sure. Yeah, I studied him a lot, but the second fight, I... I... A little push it too much. Too aggressive? No, no, no. I mean, like training? After the fight, I was like, I want to experience after I'm ready for him right now. I'm ready too, but I'm open for...
for whoever will UFC will give me like a next opponent to prove that I am, but I want a true challenge. I want a true challenge from the, I think, top five guys. Right. The interesting thing about the light heavyweight division is there's only about five really exciting contenders, four or five really. There's not a deep pool
of fighters that would be, you know, very interesting to see you fight. That's right. Because there is a, like I said today, there's a few guys who really have the taste, have the drive to go to the top. I want to go to the top. I want to take it. I have the, I feel the energy of the crown and I can take it. So, and,
That's why I'm doing that. That's why I'm still talking about that to be there because I really feel that I can beat it up. And one thing what I needed is
that I had to be stable, stable to not just get to the top and back and out, but to go to the top and know how it is to be there. No to keep all these weights on the top, what there is.
Yeah, defending the title is more difficult even than getting the title. And then it's improving while you're champion. You know, they say that Daniel Cormier always says that every champion improves like significantly once they become champion because you have the confidence of being champion. And it's just how long can you maintain the kind of energy that's required to constantly get better?
Because it's not just about maintaining, right? It's about constantly improving, constant analysis of all your movements and what you're doing right and what your mistakes that were made and what the thought process was before the mistake and how to eliminate that.
This is something what is, like I said, the style of Japanese, they call that kaisen. Kaisen, like daily improvements, small improvements, daily recognizing was bad, was good.
And sometimes I feel like it's like a sick, to be too much obsessed in that man. You need a little break. That's why I think the life gave me this little break before this. Was that why you came in so light?
Yeah, it was that why that was that that was why I was watching a video with Luke Thomas was going over your performance Everybody was very impressed and he was as well But one of the things that he was talking about was a you only weighed 208 pounds you don't know when you walked into the cage
I thought I will do my best whenever I go to the sauna night before the wedding and spend there. And again, I switched myself in the sauna and I was there like for two hours.
I don't know. Like, none of you has, like, 15 minutes, 15, like, many rounds. Right, right, right. And... Do you do sauna cold or just sauna relax? Relax. Relax. Relax. Okay. No, no, no, sauna cold, sauna cold. Okay, so... And then you go back in the sauna. Yes, sure. And cold normally, like, the cold, cold punch. I'm doing that daily because I have at home the cold punch. Yes. And I'm using that, yeah. Yeah, they're fantastic.
But the fun is the second day after that and I didn't drink anything after the sauna and next day morning I went to the control weight and then I have
I don't know. I was in the Libra 91 kilograms. I'm fighting in 93 and half. And I was 2 and half kilograms under my weight.
So yeah, so I was the only one guy who Who was in the row to the weights waiting and I tried to hide myself before other guys and I drew drink what one liter one liter of the water secondly the road Because yeah, I would because I spent too much time in the sauna man. Wow That's crazy because you only weighed 208
Yeah, I felt really like, you look great. You look very lean and fast, man. Fast. You look fast, like significantly. You've always been very fast, but you looked even faster. It's just all about this, man. Man, well, if you have the reason why and.
And you can not just you want it like your ego just want it, but you feel it like it's your destiny these moments and you it's yours. So then then it will happen. So do you feel like maybe even the fighter Pereira or a blessing in that it showed you what you need to work on?
every time it's this is the only way how to how I want to see that yeah yeah especially especially the the guy like him who's really top guy and his
Style, his mindset, what he showed to him now was something I needed to work on. Still, I'm on the way. Well, his style is extraordinary. It's very unusual, as is yours. But the thing that's shocking the most about him is that he only needs to hit you once.
He's is it much different the power that you feel from him than anybody else? There is a different from other guys. Yeah, there is a different, but Only one thing I can say like I know the receipt receipt be you know the recipe. Yeah, what's the recipe?
was the recipe, how to, because you have to know how to give the punch and how to accept the punches, how to move with it.
how to overcome the bad moments and all these things, but it's better, much better to defend the punch with the hand or defend the punch with the movement. Did you ever watch any of his glory kickboxing fights?
This is a good one to watch the Artem Vahitov fight. Vahitov is very technical. He won a very close decision. It was very close. It was one of those fights where you could call it either way, but he won. But he's very technical, very interesting to watch him deal with the style of Pereira.
Because Pere has such an unusual way of moving. Even the way he holds his hands up, and he looks different. So do you. You look different. There's only a few fighters that if you saw their silhouette, I could go, oh, that's Yuri Prohaska. I can see it right away. I can know how you move. And Alex is that way as well. It's a very unique way of moving. But the way Vahitov handled it is a good blueprint for a lot of people to avoid the power and keep the volume on him.
What was your original style? What was the first martial art that you learned? Muay Thai. Muay Thai. Yeah, I started in my high school. I started with karate because it was in a daily schedule. What kind of karate?
And I felt like I need something more contact, more and more aggressive. So not aggressive, but more. More potent, more potent. Yeah. So I started with Muay Thai. Yeah. The most potent. Yeah. Muay Thai is fascinating to me that this one island figured out how to fight better than anybody on the feet.
Yeah, that's right. And a lot of it, they did it through gambling. Yeah. That's a lot of it because there's so into gambling that they had so many fights and then people just fought a lot and then they're like, what works best? And then they figured it out. Yeah. And right now after watching on back, I'm just, I'm just still realizing what is the, what is the
Best style, what is the best movements, best deadly techniques, what to do. And right now, after the washroom on back, I see them why Boran, like in my next chapter to what I want to see real, like in Thailand, to see really how to use that and how to
Because I'm the man who's like taking the piece here taking the piece here and making Combining it all together. Yeah So do have you trained in Thailand? Thailand. Yeah. Yeah, just a little bit for like Three weeks there before before the title fight with Tashira Then I was there with for camp. Yeah, book it. Yeah
One of the greatest knockouts that you had was that Dominic Reyes spinning elbow, which is beautiful Muay Thai. That's beautiful flow. It's like you just timed that out. That was a real coming out party for you that fight because that was when people like my god, like this guy, always find a way.
Yeah. When you first started fighting in MMA, was this something, first of all, how old were you when you had your first fight? Oh, when I was first fights in my 18, 19. And were you looking at it as a career? Yeah. Yeah. Right from the beginning. Were you looking at it to do that was what you wanted to do professionally? Yeah. Yeah. Right. Right away. Right away. Yeah. It's from my year, 2020, around my 20. Yeah.
You knew you wanted to be a championship fighter. Yes, yes. Because that was something that I was too inspired by because I was a young guy who tried to challenge everything around himself, everything, every man, every situation, everywhere. I'm better than this. I'm better than this. And it's not the school.
Just not in the school. But I like to fall in love with the fighting, with looking for, finding my biggest strength.
That's the why I'm going every time to the nature, to sleeping in mountains. That's why I'm living in the cottage, to be in the contact with the nature, to feel the present moment and the rare nature, power of the water, fire, of all these things, of the sun.
Yeah. Yeah, I was going to ask you about that. Like, when did you start this training in nature? Because when you look at your setup that you have at your place and everything's outside, you know, you put pads over trees and you punch and kick trees. Yeah, sometimes it sometimes looks, looks, looks weird.
But, you know, wow, I don't like to... I don't like. Right now, I realize I need you. Right now, I want to overcome the people, the demands, the spank partners in the training.
like in my personal way. I was inspired by once I was inspired by Masut Tatsu Oyama, who was the founder of Kyokushin Kaikare. And I saw his movie and how he spent
more than one year, one and a half year in the mountains. And he trained just in the mountains under the waterfall in the winter. And he made from himself a really, really something like unshakable mind.
self-confidence so deep because he, he found the way how to overcome, how to rule his body, how to, he's describing that in his book like,
the mind without the thinking, like without the thoughts, pure mind, pure focus, pure consciousness right here, right now. And I took that, like, my own way. And I think it was year two, fourteen, two, fifteen. And I took everything in myself. I took ten, ten.
And I went to the mountains, to the mountains and I slept there for just for like one week, two weeks. One healthy. And I was inspired too much, so I did the same thing. I ran there and I punched to the rock.
Yeah. And I just want to fight with the environment, like with the nature around me. And in the end, you can realize there is no fighting. There is nothing. This is the pure life because
This is the pure life because the life has the one reason to overcome everything around and survive, survive, survive, survive. And this is the nature of what is in us. And as deeper you can go in this uncomfortable environment and all these things.
that deep, you can understand the life and like be a philosopher about that, like, understand more deeply. And I don't know how to say it. Yeah, no, you're saying it right. Yeah, I understand what you're saying. So that's why. So I was inspired by the Masutatsu Uyama. And then that's why
I decide after the second fight with Alex, I need to go to Japan, to Japan, to the places, to make a blackboard from Kyokushin Kai Karate and really feel all these things.
like a realist, realist. Not just think about how it can be, how is this style can be, but to live that. That's it. Because I like to take an inspiration and take it and go there. Fight that guy.
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For additional terms and responsible gaming resources, see DKNG.co slash audio. Well, you're obviously very physically talented, but I think one of the things that does separate you from other fighters is this mindset that you've cultivated and that you embrace. And I think it's the only way. It's also something fascinating about the fact that you do do it outside. I think that scares people.
I think that's something about the fact that you like to be fighting in nature and punching trees. Because I'm coming from one village where there was a lot of good guys. But everybody we are still really crazy.
when we are celebrating it's all the time about right now we are trying to slow down to to show others like we are on adults like we we know we are the man but still it's about like the showing the the strength yeah how what to what to destroy how to how to punch other guy how to how to show the strength and above others yeah so
And when there started on the, okay, like I said, when on these parties started the level of like, it was really dangerous, of fire and firearms and the cars and the fire and it was not safe. Then I said, guys,
Okay, we are a man. Let's be mature. Let's yeah, please Yeah, take it down a notch because somebody could die Yeah, yeah, that's something what you what you have to realize and these these a sense of a Looking for a strength these something These true madness like a
like when I see this picture.
Oh, of that. And it remembered me that when I saw that when I came here. The JRE logo. Yeah, the logo. And when I saw that, it remembered me like, yes, go through, going through all the time, choose the hardest way, and go through, overcome whatever, and show you are the, you are the boss. Yeah.
And this is it. This is why I came from that place where we are trying to show each other this one. And I tried to carry that energy and put it
in the calm way to show it in the cage. And that's why the samurai ideas of the Bushido Codex helping me in that to show it. That's all.
I understand. And then you feel that in training in nature and then experiencing the wild and getting it out there, it becomes even more pure because you recognize it all around you as survival. That's right. Yeah. Yeah. Thank you. Thank you. You are on the wave now. We're on the same wave. Yeah. So when, what year did you start doing this training in the wild?
Like I said in 2014 yeah, like I was I started was inspired by by Masutatsu Oama and Then I realized it's not about opponents man. It's about just your body Just about your rural body how much you can you can rule your body rule your mind rule your emotions logical state of thinking yeah to
Find the way how to not overcome how to rule your breath, because this is the way.
Because this is the most primal thing of the body when the child is born. First is breath. Everything is like you can settle by the breath in the body. Not just by thoughts. The thinking and thoughts is
like a great surf, but a bad boss. Yeah, really. So it serves you well, but you can't let it control you. Yes. So there's a many levels what you have to rule in your body, what you have to understand, and put it in one way in the present moment.
Yeah. So you had your first fights when you were around 18, 19. Yep. And then how long, when did you decide that you were ready for the UFC and how did you make that decision? Because I do know that you were offered fights before. Yep. But you said, I want more development time.
that was somewhere in the center of between my sixth, seventh, five in the horizon. So around the year 2017 to 18. Yeah, something like that. And yeah, I realized that man, there is a
There is a way in the rising yet. Yeah, so I need I need to know I need to I want to take a title here. I want to prove that I'm the
Like the king of Japan, to rule these guys really. And then I can go to the league of the best. Because if you want to go to the league of the best, better to be prepared for. Yeah, I think that happens too often. That's why I can fight for a title in three fights.
I think boxing has it right in that boxing. They look at fighters, managers look at fighters as an investment. So if you're a manager and you have like Floyd Mayweather, you don't give Floyd Mayweather the best fight, you can get him right away with the toughest guy.
you want to see how he performs with a guy who's an inside puncher a body body puncher who's a brawler you want to see how he handles a slick guy like a manual gustus with unorthodox movement you want to how's he handled Diego Corralis long tall reach and you build them
with fighters that you think you've got to know when they're ready. And then there's an objective assessment. OK, he's ready. Then you start moving it into top 10 contenders. Then you move into a title shot. It's good. He throws you right to the wolves. Yeah. It's good to have this objective. Yes. And if you I like to to be
adjust the watcher of the of my progress of the of the situation think about that how to plan it how to how to see that not not personally just to see yourself as another person and put it in myself in a way where it will be the best for these for these targets and then go in and do that
Yeah, yeah. And when you, you had a very quick rise in the UFC to a title fight. So you fought, was Volcanos Dimir your first fight? Yeah. Yeah. So you beat Volcanos Dimir, then Dominic Reyes was the second fight? Yes. And then, bam, title shot. Yeah. Crazy. So that's the reason to be so prepared. Yes. Because if you're successful, things go very quickly.
That's right. That's right. You have to be ready. When you look at your first fight with Volcanos DeMere, and then you look at your fight with Jamal Hill, do you see significant improvement? With who? First one. When you look at your first fight in the UFC, when you fought Volcanos DeMere, and now you look at yourself now in the most spectacular performance against Jamal Hill, do you see the improvement?
Right now I can say yes. Yeah. Yeah. Because there was, with the walker, as the mirror, there was just a pure raw power, raw aggression, aggression, aggression, but not so. Refined. Yeah. Yeah. So, yeah. You can see that in the fight, man, there was, there was just a pure chaos.
Your chaos man. I was too too too much Sometimes is the self-confident like when you are too much self-confident. It's a bad thing. Yeah, like because Eagle will took you to another another line and it will It will destroy you. Yeah, it will burn you so you have to keep that burn that fire under control and to give the these
these attacks, these aggressive aggressiveness in just a small, to keep it under control just like that. Yeah, I like what you just said, that ego will take you to another line.
Man, it's good to be, to have it. We can't live without, in this world, with corporations, with collaboration, talking, relationships. You can't live without. But also, you have to cultivate that. So there is two worlds, like, without in life. So you have to go in.
Yeah, they have to be working together the mind and the ego have to be working together and they're the no mind This then that's right. They stay the flow. Yeah, and the eagle will take you out of the flow. Yeah, the eagle like I'm gonna fuck him up and then boom you get hit
Yeah, I like what you said, though, about it takes you out of the line, because it takes you into a different line. It takes you in a different line of fighting. And then sometimes in that line, you'll realize you're out of place. You realize you're leaving openings that shouldn't be there and you're trying to force. Yeah, good force. Yeah. Force and power. Yeah. Yeah.
And when you realize that, it's bad when you don't realize. And sometimes it's good when you have the people around you to, man, bring you back. And that's why I'm sometimes really glad for my team, my people around me to keep me back.
That's what's amazing about having a coach who knows you, having trainers who know you. They know where you're at, like, calm down, calm down. Everything's great, but you're hitting the gas too much. Like, so it'd be a little more technical, move around more. Yeah, yeah. But not too much. Not too much, not too much, right? That's right, because sometimes it's these wildness, the aggression to take over. Like, it's true necessary, but...
Well, that's what I asked you after the fight. I said, there's something about you where you thrive. You get better when it's chaotic. Yeah. There's something like, it seems like you relish in the chaos of these wild exchanges. Yeah. It's very, because sometimes fighters like to piece people up where they're not getting hit. Like Jamal Hill's really good at that. Like the Glover to share a fight, he had a fantastic job over there.
utilizing his game and his accuracy and reach and he just put it on global yep yep but they don't want to be in these wild exchanges you seem to want to be in these wild exchanges because you thrive then yeah that's right that's right and sometimes it's i don't know where where is the where it's these
to keeping yourself and the control is going through. Sometimes it's going from the fear to be not hit. Sometimes it's going to be careful for the takedowns. But I want to be fearless in that. To stay behind, stay before the opponent.
and have no fear. No, you can go as close as you want and try to hit me and you will not hit me because I'm here and I feel you. I got you. So I can't explain it and I don't want to explain it. I want to show that in the fight.
I know what you're saying. One of the things that we were talking about, Daniel and I were talking about when we were doing the commentary was your head movement was so good. It was different than before. It was like at another level. What specifically had you done to prepare that made your head movement so much better?
I have a long time I'm working on that. Before I stepped in the U of No, since my title finding... I really exactly know what's when I started to work on, especially on that, because I realized that this is my game. This is really what's me. And it was around the title fight with
with King Molavar in the Rising, so that was a title fight in the Rising. And it's about the feeling, the opponent, the field opponent, but not be, but to not be, how to say.
Do not let these feelings to push you in some way. You don't understand to feel the space, but still be calm, be unshakable.
you can feel the space around you, everything, and whatever will move right now. You will react for that, and naturally, because you will feel all these things like yourself, like everything is you.
And then then you can step to the level. I'm everywhere Because there is no different between me this this thing this thing the opponent but still but still and That's sometimes why I need to be why I need to be a little bit hit to feel the aggression Back to the fight that was that was before the before the UFC and I need I was needed to to get hit because I need to
Because I felt him, felt the movement, felt the right movement, everything was right. But I also needed to be more aggressive once it's to go through the opponent. Because I was too, how to say, too nice, too nice for them.
just show them I can slip and I can move everything. You can't hit me, but this is not the fight. The fight is the answer to catch him in the right moment. So yes, to be here and now, to be, like I said, to be everything, but still to not be
Pushed by this feeling like to be so nice, not too much aggressive, but something in the middle is still controlled, that it's all about controlled balance.
I like what you said, like, that there's no difference between you and your opponent. Like you're not even, you're just in this flow of movement and life. And this thing you're choosing to do, there's no difference between you and them. You're not, you don't even exist. You're just a part of it all.
Yes, and the bad is bad for fighting is when you really realized we are doing this we are doing we are fighting each other and right now I'm going to hurt other person and you don't you don't see really the
the difference between you and him so you know you are doing to yourself but this is the game what we chose and we are here to to have a fun so not just have a fun to to leave these experience
to live this experience and an extreme experience that will teach you about yourself like no other experience. If you want to learn about yourself, go fight. You really find out. You can bullshit yourself all you want, but until you fight. And when you go through a loss, like the loss is to Pereira, what is your process like of evaluating what went wrong and how to change things?
Was what's wrong? Yeah, like how do you what what's your process? Like what do you do when you when you lose a fight and then you come back like What is your thought process? What do you say? I have to learn I have to figure out what went wrong. Let me know after that last last the second fight First time I can first time in my life. I realized that man That was a really like
I will not say what was that, how hard it was because I don't like it. But it was something that I didn't experience yet, not till now. So that time I really realized how powerful the meditation and the true self-talking with
how the true meditation looked like, because I have no other chance, then the start, stop doing a bullshit, stop doing just pure inspirational training in the garden, stop doing all these things and
and start doing just things, what really matter, what can, what have a real effect, how you can feel, how you want to be, and the power of true self-talking, power of true overcoming the mistakes in the life
can be the boss of your mind because sometimes it's, sometimes it's, yeah, it was, it was the next level. Yeah, very difficult to recover from a loss like that. But you, yeah, because especially when you lost like, that was, that was bad. Yeah. For me, like,
how to say like, like a man who likes the honor and and all these, all these coats, like from Bushido moral, moral cult, like that was something was for me. Really bad. He gotcha. Yeah. Yeah. That's how it goes, man. You say it like you said, you can say it like that, but I really
work on every move every thought every catching the every every move in the inner fighting and now it this happened that was not me that was that was really
It was me, but man, you showed yourself your worst, your, your worst to the world, man. But so that's why. But then you came after that and showed your best. So this is the thing about overcoming a loss like that is that I'm sure it was awful. But because of it, the pain that you felt from it caused you to rise to another level.
That's what is life about. Yeah. Yeah. I'm still. Yeah. You need the challenge. Do you need Tom Poe, you know? Yeah, no, no. That's right. And how I see these worlds and this is what I wanted to speak with you.
What is here right now? The true challenges in this world, in this age, like in a human's life.
What is there? Because how I see that, like, there is not too much think what we... Not too much. There is a lot. But still, we can go right now. We have to go to another level. Because there is too much of the comfort life.
of the people, because like that, you can have the food. Like that, you can have a drink, a massage, everything. So there is no price, like I see, in the young people, what they want to pay to achieve something, really achieve something.
They just want things handed to them. This is an entitlement error because things are very easy. And when things are easy, it's very difficult to develop character. That's why for young people, I always tell them, you should choose to do something hard. Choose to do something hard for your human development, for you as a human being. Because if you just live your life in comfort, you will have a terrible life.
Yeah, I think. And only one reason, only one thing what I realized, like, may be the one, one, one thing, the step up will be like, take out two steps back and understand the true life.
I think so. I think we'll realize that the people that live this way are living disastrous lives and people will learn from that mistake because this level of comfort that most people have is very new historically. It's very new in human history. There's never really been a time where the poor people were fat.
This is a weird time. The poorest amongst us have no worries about starving to death. They're in America. They're fat. It's more common than not. I think some crazy number of people in this country are obese. What was the number? It was like 60%.
60% of people or obese, something crazy like that, which is just nuts. And it's too easy. It's too easy to exist. And I don't mean it's too easy, like you don't have to work and I'm sure everybody has to work and your work sucks. It's hard and you got to get up every day. But physically, you have to do something to test your will and your discipline. And if you don't, you're going to have a shitty life. That's right. That's right. That's right. And you won't be able to control yourself in situations that require you to stay calm.
I think right now it's up to like it was in every culture, up to the old, older, older people to teach the younger, like to real life, to tell them, like to simply tell them the stories, listen the stories, live the true life, man, because we are forgotten for all these things, because we have the phones and
This is the fake lives. It's a fake life. It's a fake life and it's bad for you. It's bad for your development. It'll hinder your potential. Like whatever you want to do in life, if you want to be an artist, if you want to be a musician, whatever you want to be an author, it will hinder your development if you live the comfort life.
and okay so this is it and how you see the like in the 10 years in the 50 years in 100 years what's the next step for that right now I'm trying to to lead you in some way but no this is your podcast sorry but I'm curious I'm curious about that because I'm I'm
trying to, this is my, this is my true motivation, the human evolution, the evolution of myself, how to fight better, how to overcome the opponent better, how to show him that I am everywhere and you have no chance around me please.
keep hold your head down and tell the other I'm the winner. You know, you know, this is like, yeah, my ego. Right. What wants this, but the way to this, there is, but still in some humble way, humble way to show it like peacefully, show it, show it like. So violence peacefully.
Yeah. That's it. Yeah. It was nice seeing you and Jamal Hill out after the fight, having a drink together. That was nice to see. Yeah. I bought him the, like, my original drink, what I'm drinking, the vodka, vodka, soda lime. And I told him, like,
We fight together, we drink together. Let's go for that. Because, man, we are everybody. We are one. In the end, there is no enemy. Even with your baddest enemy of the world.
Man, it was a good life. It was a good fight. Let's drink together. Let's celebrate together. That's all. Was it cool? Was it cool hanging out with him? That was cool. That's something what I like to do with my opponents, whoever won, you win, you lose, whatever.
That's great. It's always nice to see. That's one thing that people really do love about a great fight is afterwards when the guy's hug. Yeah, but still. Still.
I don't like to speak about opponent in some way, in some way, before the fight. And after fight, change it. Like, it does not exist. And right now we are the friends and everything good, man. Please. Let's be honest. You talk a shit about me. Talk a shit about me. Okay, so you are the motherfucker, but it doesn't matter.
Let's drink together. You are who you are. I am who I am. Let's drink. But stay, stay honest. Right. Man. Yeah. Yeah. Because that's why I like to keep same word, same attitude before the fight.
in the preparation and after the fight, in the fight, after the fight, all the time, like the same. That's me. And I want to show me, not me before and me after.
Right, there's a lot of guys just for the sake of promotion. They talk a lot of shit and they're just trying to stir things up and make the fight more exciting by insulting people, insulting the families. Yeah, and it gets very ugly. And I think the audience turns on them over that.
And one of the things that's shown with your success and your popularity and guys like Alex is that you don't even have to speak English. Like it doesn't matter if you kick out. I mean, if it doesn't matter, you could talk all the shit you want, get everything hyped up. What really matters is how you perform inside the octagon. When you perform inside the octagon, like Alex has, like you have,
There's no need for shit talking. People love you and they love you just by the style of your fighting and you're expressing your soul inside that cage, like who you are as a man inside that cage. You don't have to talk shit about someone's wife or all that crap. Yeah, that's why many people around me, like my manager team tried to be more
more focused for a promo and all these things. And man, the fight will do the promo. This is the main thing of everything, not selling these things, these things, these, these, giving the main thing is the
The fight. The performance. The performance. That's what kind of drives me crazy about when championship level fighters have to do a lot of promotion before the fight. I'm like, man, leave that guy alone. What's really important is how he's going to perform. If you want to promote it, have a bunch of people like me or, you know, Daniel Cormier or Chalison, and have people talk about the fight.
hyped the fight up. You don't have to bother this guy at seven o'clock in the morning and talk to him for an hour about some fucking nonsense. That's what I like. Leave them alone. Yeah, that's what I like when you have seen. They are focused for performance. That's great. Every time. And no talking before, no one fight, other fight, no special promo before the, yeah, like.
Afterwards do interviews like right now afterwards relax but when leading up to the fight the most important thing is that you're 100% prepared and anything that distracts from that should be eliminated.
That's right. That's right. That's right. Yeah. And many, many, many fighters are, yeah. Yeah. Like focus for, yeah. There are things about shit talking that I do like. And what I do like is that, first of all, it gets a lot of people excited about it, which makes me happy because I want more people to watch the sport. But also there's a psychological aspect, especially Conor McGregor.
He's so good at talking shit that he gets people so angry that like when he fought Jose Aldo for instance, like no one had ever treated Jose Aldo anyway other than with respect. He was one of the greatest champions. He's an elite fighter. He defended his title multiple times. Destroyed his division. Yes.
But you could tell that all that shit talking from Connor had an effect on him emotionally. And I think his ego made him go out of line. So he ran right at Connor and tried to hit him and Connor stepped back and cracked him. He was so energetic. So now imagine if instead if Jose Aldo fought that fight,
and dragged it into the fourth and fifth round and started using the leg kicks that he used on Uriah favor and started like picking apart from be careful in the beginning, but stay inside the game plan, stay inside, fight the best of your ability. Don't get emotional, that could have been a very different fight. But that's the weapon, the weapon of shit talking. And especially if you know how to use that. Oh yeah, he uses it better than anybody. He gets people so mad.
That's right. That's right. But still, it's a big weight. It's a big weight. What you need to handle. What you know how to handle that. It's also that big weight weighs on you as well. It doesn't just weigh on your opponent. When you talk a lot of shit, it puts extra weight on you.
And again, if that can get you out of line, the additional pressure, you might hear the audience boo when they introduce you and you're like, oh shit, what have I done? Yeah, that's right. Not everybody has these big self-confident to keep that. Yeah, it's an interesting aspect, but I don't like, if I've had to choose one way or the other, I would say just fight. There's no need to talk shit. We should behave like martial artists.
You know, my attitude about that is a true self-confident man, a true man who overcome and understand his body, his mind, his opponent's mind and body, and his mind don't need to... That guy don't need to talk shit to...
It doesn't matter to show that to others, to the crowd, or to fear the opponent. Because why? I know that. I don't need to make this show to anybody, because I know what will happen. I have this self-confidence.
The thing about talking shit though, it does make you more money because it does cause more people to pay attention. Like a good example of someone who doesn't need to talk shit but talks a lot of shit becomes successful is Gordon Ryan. You know Gordon Ryan, the Jiu Jitsu champion, that's his belt up there, that's his Abu Dhabi belt. Gordon talks a lot of shit and he's the greatest of all time.
and he still talks a lot of shit. That's him. But that's also why he's so popular. It's because people talk shit back to him and there's a lot of back and forth on social media. The most important thing is to be him. To be not like to play it. Right. To be true yourself. When you are like that, okay, be a bad guy or whatever, but just show yourself, that's it.
Right. Who are you? For real. Express who you are in there. And you might not even like who you are after it. That's right. Yeah. So a lot of guys that aggression, especially after a loss, it leads them to a place where they're like, I don't even like how I behave. I don't even like me, especially with the bad feelings of a loss. So when you have all this aggression and shit talking and then a loss and a bad loss and you have this feeling of like I was an asshole and I lost.
And the crowd cheered when I lost. Fuck. That's the game they play though. That's the game and this is something what is for me. I can't forget I for myself because I want to show really through myself so I can't talk shit. Yeah, you've got to be yourself. Yeah.
That's me. Yeah, you can't, especially now, if you try to become an asshole now, everybody would be confused. Like, what's going on? If you took a heel turn? I am asshole. But so
So big ones, so I need to keep myself so straight. So I can't do that because that will be just, like I said, eagle line. I will show you just this one line. No, I need to show you the center. You need to be pure. You need to be you with no bullshit. And that's how you perform at your best.
So after a fight like this, there was a lot of, and I brought back to the Luke Thomas video, he was saying, like, you could be a middleweight champion. Like, if you made two, you fought at 208, like, that's a lot lighter probably than Jekyll Stupa C. Jekyll is huge. I look at him, I was like, how does Jekyll make 185? He's so big.
Have you thought about that? I know there was some talk about that at one point in time. Yes, I thought about that. But the main thing for me is right now I see the way in light heavy because I'm this
one of the strongest guys in this division. And I still feel like there is a way in light hair weight. And I said to myself, like, okay, you can go to the middleweight, but first show the consistency in light hair weight. Take a belt, then you can, with a belt from light hair weight, you can fight for the belt for middleweight, to be a double champion.
Yeah, so yeah.
Well, you know, it's interesting because weight cutting is, in my opinion, the worst aspect of the sport. Josh Barnett was just talking about this. He was on the aerial Halwanis show, and he was talking about the dangers of weight cutting. In reference to Armand Sorukians having to pull out of that fight. Armand is big. He's big. When I stand next to him, I cannot believe he hates 155. He's very muscular, very dense, and very lean.
And so for him to make 155, it must be an absolutely brutal weight cut. I got to think he weighs 180 easy. Maybe more. He's big. And I think off when he's out of camp, I bet he weighs closer to 200. I mean, he's fucking thick, man. So for a guy like that. Why do they do that? Why do they do that? Why do they do that? Why do they do that? Why do they do that? Why do they do that? Why do they do that? Why do they do that? Why do they do that? Why do they do that? Why do they do that? Why do they do that? Why do they do that? Why do they do that? Why do they do that? Why do they do that? Why do they do that? Why do they do that? Why do they do that? Why do they do that? Why do they do that? Why do they do that? Why do they do that? Why do they do that? Why do they do that? Why do they do that
Uh, higher weight class. Well, the thing is, at that weight class, Islam Makkachev is so fucking good. And he's so big. He's another one. You stand next to him. You're like, how the fuck does this guy make 170? And he was actually talking about his first fight with Alexander Volkonowski. And one of the problems that he faced was that the fight was very early Australia time so that it could be on pay-per-view in America. So he was getting ready at 5 a.m.
So he did not have the time to recover from the weight cut from the previous day. Okay. So instead of having a full 24 plus hours, so if you're weighing in at 10 o'clock in the morning now, is it what time do you weigh in? What time did you weigh in in Los Angeles? Eight. Eight in the morning. Okay. So eight in the morning and then you have a full 36 hours plus before you fight. That's right. Which is plenty of time to recover and rehydrate. Yeah. But he did not get that with the Volcanoski fight and you saw it in his performance. He didn't look as good. Okay.
And because he's fucking big, man. So I think weight cutting should be eliminated. I said this to Aria Manuel when they first bought the UFC. I said, listen, man, you know what we should do? Get rid of weight cutting to stop it. Look, if you can randomly test people for drugs, you can randomly test their weight. Show up with the scale. Hey, buddy, step on scale.
You're 190 pounds. How the fuck are you making 145? Do something like that. And come up with more weight classes. There should be a weight class every 10 pounds. This idea of these giant gaps like 185 to 205. That's a 20 pound gap. That's huge. That doesn't exist in boxing.
They should have every 10 pounds, 85, 95, 205, 225, and then unlimited. Instead of 265, let them weigh whatever the fuck they weigh. They just got giant guys out there that can't fight in the UFC because they can't make 265, which is kind of crazy, right? Like Bigfoot Silva when he was at his prime, when he was when he was saucy, he was like 300 pounds. He was fucking huge. So I like the way they're open weights, man.
Yeah. Yeah. Open weight, not 265. Francis and Ghana weigh whatever the fuck he weighs when he doesn't cut weight. Probably weighs like 290. Instead of having weight cuts, just take the champions, find out what the champion weighs. Like, don't get rid of the championship belts.
Find out what is Islam Makkachev way? Islam Makkachev is a UFC champion, best pound for pound fighter on earth. Find out what he weighs. What do you weigh if you were healthy, if weight cutting didn't exist? Would it be 185? Okay, 190? Whatever that is. That's how you fight now. And we're not going to weigh you in the day before and let you rehydrate. That's crazy talk.
fight people your size and and also the fights would be better because too many guys get depleted horribly by these weight like Max Holloway said he would never make one fifty one forty five again after fought Iliad to point so I can't do it anymore because he had gone up to fifty five he got thicker and then he went back to forty five he just drained he just wasn't himself he didn't look good so
I think that would be, and I know this is not an easy thing to do, but I do think it's just like getting steroids out of fighting. When they brought in USADA, when USADA came in, you saw people's physiques melt. You saw people that were doing steroids on a regular basis and gaming the system and testing negative on the day of the fight, but all throughout their camp they were using, you saw their bodies change.
They had started looking like doughy and flabby because they didn't have any testosterone anymore. They had fucked up their endocrine systems. Instead of allowing that, they brought in USADA, and USADA started randomly testing, and a lot of people fell off. Great champions fell off. The guys like Vitor Belfort fell off. Great fighters who, when they were using, were unbelievably good, but then as soon as they had to be natural. Okay, so we realized that we're gonna have to sacrifice some fighters for that.
This is the same approach that should be made with weight cutting. Weight cutting should not exist. It's terrible for you. It's unnecessary. It's not necessary. It's just sanction cheating that we've done forever. If you're telling me that Alex Pereira, when he fought Israel out of Sonia, he weighed 185 one day and 226 the next day.
That's crazy. It's crazy. It's crazy. It's not a slight against Alex because Alex is willing to fight heavyweight. He's willing to fight it what he wears. It should weight cutting is something that exists. It's sanctioned. They allow it to happen. They know what's going on and it's cheating. That's right.
They're not really 170 pounds. That guy's 195. He's depleted and dried out, and then he's going to swell back up again, and he's going to look huge the next day. Like Tricus. Everything is evolving. Yes, they should evolve that because for the safety of the fighters, for the safety of the fighters, it's not good to dehydrate your brain 24 hours before a cage fight. That's right. It's dumb. But nobody's going to listen to me.
Nobody listens to me, Yuri. Nobody. Maybe after DCI. I don't think they should even have cages. I think it should be an open floor. I think it should be an open floor like a basketball court. Yeah, because I think the cage allows you to get up when you wouldn't ordinarily be able to get up. You could walk
wall walk. The cage allows someone to press you up against an unnatural object. There's a cage there. So you could press a guy up against a cage. Whereas if you were standing in the center, you could do moitai sweeps. You could rotate around each other. There'd be more action. There'd be more movement. That's right.
I also think if someone takes you down at the beginning of the first round, at the end of the round, you're on your back. You start that second round in the same position. Yeah. You see that? Like, yeah, I have the similar of the fighting. First, I thought like, why there is a rules? Why there is the... I got you.
I, I pokes is not allowed. So I'm glad for after these last fight. It's not allowed. It shouldn't be allowed. It's very effective. Man. Yeah, but yeah. Show all your weapon of your body, how you can defeat these men. That's all. One against one. That's all. Yes. One against one. That's all. And the little, the minimal amount of rules possible. You know, another thing that I think they should do, and I'm going to talk to Dana about this this week.
cover the fingers. There's no reason to have these fingers exposed. It doesn't help anything. It doesn't help grappling. You never grapple like this, right? You never, you never use the finger. No, no, no. Nobody does. You do this or you do this or you do different things with your hands, but your fingers are always close. Still the feeling, still the feeling. I understand. But the problem is the pokes because everybody does this because you used to sparring with gloves on. So allow the poke eye pokes.
Man, everybody, you will, you know what will happen? Everybody will be more prepared for, for, for, no, for, for every possible attack for an eye, because eyes is the weapon to my, especially, I get, I can speak about that, because I'm using that like I see. So.
I know what you're saying. Maybe it's weird, yeah. The problem is you don't want people to go blind. Like Michael Bispin can't see out of his right eye. I feel like for the sake of the athlete's future, everybody will do every fucking, sorry, every fight.
so seriously so preparation will be so and every people in the crowd will watch that with the man in this fight there can happen something but after that fight we will not can nobody can change right right so we will like the fighters we will
Speak better, perform better, train better, be prepared to die. And not just in our mind, just to die, to show the best performance. I mean that philosophically, you have to stop thinking and be in the moment and all these things. But
But that's what that's we are right now speaking like about ancient fights like about the fight fight for a life real fight. Yeah, real fight. No rules at all. Do you think maybe get rid of cups too and allow kicks of the balls? That's real. It's a real target.
It's a vulnerability of the human body to ignore vulnerability of the human body. It sounds weird, especially in this age of the full of loss and all these things. But that's how I see that. We are living in the age where the loss is worth loss and the system is working. So we have to put some system on the fighting too.
Eddie Bravo actually came up with an idea. He was joking around, but he wanted to call it ultimate sack fighting, where you would allow to kick a guy on the balls, and that your balls would be exposed. His leg when the balls are in play, the game changes. And the idea was that your balls are so vulnerable.
But yeah, you cover them like a tie cup, you know? And that if they didn't, if the balls were hanging out, like your chin is hanging out, that it would change everything. He was just joking around. It was very funny that the guy who would win would just have like iron balls. But nobody has iron balls. I mean, the human body has the eye pokes and ball shots. You didn't see your vulnerabilities. You didn't saw the monks, how they kicking. I don't understand that.
I think they're just hitting each other in the tank. I think their balls are tucked up. Otherwise, it doesn't make any sense that you could just slam your foot. Because also, the way they're doing it, the monks, they're kicking up. They're kicking up. So I think they're just slamming their shin into the, in step into the tank. It's not really the balls. Like if you front kick that monk in the balls, just front, snap. Front, he would fall down dead. He'd be like, ah, what happened? I got iron balls.
Nobody has iron balls. Nobody has iron eyeballs either, you know, the problem with eyeballs is yeah, these guys. Yeah, see how he's doing that He's getting kicked in the middle. Yeah. Yeah, he's getting kicked in the tank his balls I can even see the way his sack has pulled up see that little thing that he's got on there, but still he's right. Yeah He probably has a little balls to unfortunately
Yeah, it's stupid. Either way, that's stupid. If that was the only way, if you could train that way, and a lot of the ties, they kick banana trees and kick sandbags, and we have a sandbag out there. It's so brutal to kick. But if you do that enough, you'll develop those micro fractures on your shins, and it'll make your shins much tougher. You can't make your balls tougher. You can't make your balls tougher.
Yeah, I think there is no, no. Don't read. I just punched himself with a dick. Reason. This is so ridiculous. This is so ridiculous. This guy's used to take. Oh, no. Fuck me.
oh no don't do it oh god no slam the nut by a log he's not just hit each other the balls but again i think if you step to one of those guys and front snap kicked him right in the balls and it fall down this is stupid
You know what I realized when I saw a lot of masters of these Kung Fu doing these weird stuff and all these things. So there is a way to
like about obsession of the of the martial arts of the doing something in in your life to the deepest level. But still, this is a fighting. Yeah, about this about the win. So I don't know if this
can can will help you to really defeat the no no no especially this is the just defense yeah okay so you are the preferred prepare to defense your your boss and
So, man, really think about it in real. Don't give it too much on this side of an art of just doing
It's good to know one thing, one, two. One, two. Really, really deeply so you can time that, timing that in every situation to know how to do this movement in every situation.
these movements. They're not an effective use of your time. Yes. Yeah, it's not going to help you be a better fighter. It's there's a lot of ancient movements that are probably good for the development of your consciousness and they're probably good overall for your ability to be a better martial artist because they teach you certain movements which are almost like a form like kata. A lot of people talk about forms and they say it's a waste of time. But I think it's a moving meditation. I used to think it was a waste of time when I was a young man.
Everything is when I got my black belt. I just learned the cottos and then afterwards I'd forgotten them Yeah, as soon as I just learned them so that I could pass the next test and then once I knew all the forms and the cottos I didn't care anymore. I just wanted to fight so like yeah, but but all these moves they're important are written in your in your body in yes, maybe maybe you don't realize that the edge
But in the hardest situation, maybe one move will jump up and bomb. Because you've trained your system. You've trained your system about those things. Like the Neo in the Matrix, man. I know the Kung Fu. I know Kung Fu. They think they're going to be able to do that now.
This is a day I was just reading an article about that and they were comparing it to neo in the Matrix They think they're going to be able to download skills into people's brains man. It's what sucks. This is no, but it sucks because it's I want him to learn the way you learned I think no man. There's a The ego the force the force we will do that by
I will take it. And this, there it is. Me, the meat tree. It has the meat tree. Hey, the meat tree. Hey. And instead of like to take a, take a, find a real snake and whatever, I, I cannot describe describe on the, on the snake. So that train those movements. So when the punch comes, you block you counter and then that it's in your mind.
you will take some information and by the force, you will give it in in yourself, yeah, to I don't know which which form you you meant, like, like the way they're made, like the matrix we spoke. Let's Google that because they were Jamie will find the article.
Maybe like, I don't must have that, uh, do or link, I don't think or something like that. I don't think it was that invasive. I think it was, it was some other technology that they think they're going to be able to utilize. Scientists use matrix style learning to write skills into human brains, see non-invasively so they don't have to inject anything. Okay. Put up. Okay. Okay.
a wire in your brain. Techniques use real-time brain imagery and neurofeedback. It bypasses learning processes that require effort, study, or practice. With our method, not only can we nudge complex patterns around in the brain towards known ones,
but also for the first time, write directly a new pattern into the brain and measure what effect that has on a person's behavior. So Dr. Coraline Lordin, lead author of the study and assistant professor of brain and cognitive sciences at the University of Rochester. That's crazy. Okay, and this is the one side. The second side, how I'm looking, how I'm taking that.
is about, right now I have no antenna, but it's not about just about the hair, it's about to be open, to be connected with the...
with consciousness. And there, I don't know how it's working, but it's working to be just connected for all the information, what's, what ever happened and will happen is there in this moment right here, right now. And it's just about the state if you are, if you can be really connect for that, because I don't know where.
Many moves, I didn't... Rehears them. I didn't trained. They just came out. And they just came out. Yes. And in the fighting, in the fight. And I don't know where. And I didn't train Spinning Elbow. Never.
Really never man really I didn't train that never and just follow your side I was just there. I just following the flow following the moment because there is a one elbow, okay You have that and it's going really slow you have a second here it is Yeah, you have the second elbow see it use that boom
Boom and between one and second one. There was a long conversation of you can do that try to do that Okay, I don't believe that no do that please and This was such a phenomenal exchange
People love that antenna, too. They love that crazy hair. Are you going to bring that back? I liked you like this. Yeah, I streamlined it. Do you think I'm worried about that antenna? Like, that could get caught in something. Do what? It could get caught. Like, if you're in a submission situation and, you know, people grab shorts, I don't think anyone should wear shorts either. I think you should wear tights. Maybe I can grab it. Like, that's what I'm saying. You could. Yeah, you could. You know what? You could and it would be legal. Dominique Reyes caught me in a, in a guillotina.
And I was there and I said, fuck, I have the hair, big fucking hair. I can't give the heads up. So that was the problem. That's what I was saying. That's what I was saying. Yeah, I think shaved is better for you, but it looks cool. And that's what I'm saying. Like, it's not about right now. I feel like it's not about the hair. It's not about anything. It's just about...
to I have to say to be there be here and now that's all that's yeah that's all what no bullshit just be in the moment especially right in the moment you have all this momentum on your side because that spectacular victory so you must be very energized right now you must be really feeling like you're on the right path
Yeah, but still this is, this state and this feeling can have the two sides, yeah. So that's why I, because I know how it is to be a champion, how is this all these feeling and still how is, what is the, to not be the champion to really lost like a, like a shit, like a shit.
fell on the ground like a she after and so I realized that it's about to be just here right now to be just here right now in this moment and show through yourself right not playing not you don't do stupid shit don't do
don't have the war air be angry be no just be that's it show your true self that's all that and that's what I like on on the states on it on America like they everywhere like they are
They are okay with that to show yourself, through yourself. And in Europe, we have some special thinking about America. There is something better than
something better than everywhere. And you hear just pushing more to everyone, to just live through yourself. And maybe I'm wrong. No, you're right. But freedom. This is freedom. Fuck man. Freedom allows you to be your best self.
Yeah, and this is something what man what is for me so inspirational Yeah, but still it's a gift a big gift, but a big I'd say
Big weight. Yes. Big responsibility. Yeah. Big responsibility because if you don't know how to work with the gun, it can be dangerous. Right. Yeah. So right. Right. Right. Yeah. With great power comes great responsibility.
Yeah, where you sit right now at the top of the heap, like after Uncle I have, especially after that performance, it's very likely that either you or a lot of people are forgetting about Yom Bohovitch. Oh, he's like to give him his props because Yom Bohovitch is still one of the best fighters in the world. And I would like to see him get another shot because he's also 41 or 42, I think now.
You know, he doesn't have much time left in his prime. Yeah, and Jan has maintained like even at 40 years old still. Yeah, it doesn't show any signs of deterioration. That's right when I thought about opponent my next opponents There was just like these guys on collive Pereira the Pereira is most but
Let's see how the negotiations will be. The Pereira on Callive and maybe the Baku Witch. So these three guys I see feel there I see the challenge. Yes. They challenge because I want to go somewhere where I will feel I can
Because every time, when there is a challenge, there is a new you. Something new, what you need to overcome, what you need to rule, what you need to do.
Which means observe. Yes. Yeah. They're the elite level of the game. Yeah. You know, Yambahovich, he's one of the, I think the only gods to go the distance with Pereira other than Bruno Silva, right? Yeah. Yeah. Because he has the hands up. Also, that guy's made out of iron. I mean, I never forget the fight with Ankelive when he was just going shin to shin with Ankelive and Ankelive could barely walk.
yambahovitch is made out of rocks and i thought like he won that fight very close very close fight but you could definitely see given it to yambahovitch there's a lot of those fights here's another thing that i think should happen you see i think we need more than three judges i don't even think that the judges some judges are very good i think the judging in california is very good i think uh... overall i think
We need at least five judges. I think three is too little. I think we need, because there's too many times where two judges get it wrong. And the crowd is like, what the fuck? I think if you had five judges, then you have two judges that would counterbalance that other, and there would be three, two in the right direction and you would get a good result. I think you're more likely to get a good result, an accurate result of what the fans and the experts see about the result of a fight than you would if there was only three judges. Or five things they'll win.
Yeah fighting to win well that that's the I mean what Gordon likes to do Gordon Ryan likes to do is no No time limit fights. He does no time limit fights with no points Like we're going to submission. This is what this game is about. It's a bit me strength. That's right Yeah, yeah, yeah, imagine that if they start doing the UFC like the old UFC like UFC one no rules maybe for somebody it will be a little bit
Mm-hmm like they will not like it because we'll be maybe sometimes it will belong maybe but maybe So what yeah, yeah, that's fighting. Yeah, that's fighting people watch baseball Yeah, no no offense against baseball, but that shit's boring as fuck compared to fighting. Yeah, you know what's my theory about that so there is a Sports a lot of sports, but the first one first sport first
For version of sports version of sport was like one man wants to overcome the second man Yes, and it came from
DNA from from DNA from fight from fight for these a piece of From caveman for food from eat from food fighting from Yes This is this this that's why it came from and in the in the in the time there was like Let's let's do some other another competition another competition right to not be so violent
So wild. But to be honest, the realest one competition is the one man against the second man. That's why that sport translates through all languages. It's the only sport that translates like cricket. Cricket is huge in other parts of the world.
Nobody watches cricket in America in other parts of the world is it billions of people watch cricket nobody gives a fuck about cricket here put cricket on TV No one's gonna watch and we in the time we gave the some rules the kimonos the all these things no, let's Well, that was the beauty of the first UFC
The first UFC was just wild. No weight classes, no real rules other than iPods. Joe Son was fighting Keith Hackney, and Keith Hackney was caught in a guillotine, and he's just punching Joe Son in the balls. It's a famous scene. Do you remember that? I remember watching that going,
Oh, this is awful. This is awful. There's another one in Brazil. Big Daddy Goodrich was fighting this guy named the pager. Look at this. Just pure nut shots. Just one after the other right to the ball. This is horrible.
Show me the monk training. But here's the thing. If he's wearing a cup, especially if he's wearing a tie cup, a steel cup, which I also think should be illegal. I don't think you should have steel cups. Because steel cups act as a leverage point as well. Not only that, you could break your foot on it. It's an unnatural object. And then if you get someone in an armbar with a steel cup, you could break it. It's like it's an extra leverage point. It's like bending a stick over a rock.
use it like a weapon. Yeah. And you, Kenny Florin used to always fight with a tie steel cup. And he's like, I don't know why anybody would fight with anything else because it hurts them when they kick me. Yeah. And it really is like a good leverage point. Maybe it's also good for the mount. If somebody mounts you, there was a guy that I used to train with a mirror in a vardy and he used to get on top of you and mount you and drive his cup. He just drive his dick and he had solar plexus and he'd want to tap. It was horrible, but it was smart. I mean, if it's legal, it's a smart thing.
Find a way between the laws imagine if nobody had cups of cups were illegal. There'd be so much more nutshots You know maybe somebody will find a way how to jump with these cupboard to do a face I don't think so. I don't think that's real. I don't think that would work
But other than that, the rules, they're pretty good. They're getting a little bit better. I'd like knees on the ground as well. I don't think a opponent should be allowed to be in a turtle when your head is vulnerable. You have to move. You have to avoid those knees. Like before my last fight right now, the referee, with the big mustache.
Oh, Mike Beltran. Mike Beltran, yes. Sorry, Mike Beltran. Because he's a good guy. And he tried to tell me how to, because I didn't know that. The change of the rules? The change of the rules. Like when the hands down, when he's not the elbow, when the hands down, and you staying and the legs and the hands down, you can need the opponent to the hands still.
That's better. That's better. Much better. Much better. Because guys were gaming the system. They put a hand down so they couldn't get need in the face. That's crazy. That doesn't make any sense. You should not be doing that. Yeah, that's a good rule that they changed. Another rule is the 12 to 6 out. Well, that should be leaked. And now that's legal again. That's the only reason for John Jones ever having a loss. You know, so there's this good movement on the rules. Rise and allow needs to the head to a grounded opponent and kicking.
Did you get accustomed to that and have to like get that out of your system when you came to the USC? Yeah. Yeah. Is there any moments where you like thought about throwing it? Sorry. No, no, I didn't thought about that. But when you are still, when you are in the control in the, in the fighting, what's the, I think the, the biggest, biggest thing of the fighter in the fighting to, to stay in, in the control. So you know what to do, what can't do, but some, there's a moments when you don't,
Don't control yourself too much, so it's dangerous. But in raising, I used that. I did that like I think twice. Yeah. Yeah, it's very effective. It should be allowed. I think it should be allowed. I think the only problem with soccer kicks is the cage. So the cage, if your head is right there and you get stomped, you can't move. So it's the unnatural barrier of the cage that's a problem. That's why I think basketball court.
Yeah, matted down basketball court, just two men in the center of it. Have a warning track where you go outside the warning track too many times, you lose points, because you're trying to avoid the fight. Plenty of movement, plenty of time to room, and if someone gets you down. I was just trying to imagine that, and it's good, it's much better. Because you wouldn't be able to just stall the fight up by holding someone against the cage. So sometimes when fighters are exhausted, they'll just clinch against the cage, try to catch their breath.
That wouldn't be allowed. You couldn't do it. There would be no opportunity to do that. That's right. That's right. Also, if you got taken down, you'd have to get up with skill. You can't just use the cage to get up. It's very hard, especially if you got a great wrestler like Islam on top of you. Very hard to get up any other way than wall walking.
Just right now, I'm thinking about it. I was the name of the movie Hunger Games, just to put somebody and somebody somewhere, and they will find each other in the natural environment, environments, and they will fight together, and everybody will watch that, so give them weapons.
Well, have you seen those? They do have like people with armor on fighting sword fights now. Yeah. Yeah. Crazy. Yeah. Just a matter of time before they take that armor off. Yep. Yep. That's right. That's right. In some crazy country. Yeah. Some wilder country that's just a million dollar purse. You fight with swords. So, jeez.
Then you're back to the Roman days, the Colosseum. But still, how I see that, when we are going higher in understanding everything, we have to go... Maybe I'm wrong, deeper in the these row things. We want to see more row, because to be not two, something like two goals.
You understand me. Yes, I do because the consequences are higher. You have to get more pure. So balance balance. Did you ever read any Miyamoto Musashi?
you know i read yeah of course i don't even have to ask but the book of five rings he talks about that because me a multi-massage with such a great sword fighter that he he believed the only way to fight at your best is you have to be a balanced person very balanced you have to be an artist you have to be able to do calligraphy and write poetry you can just be aggression you have to be completely balanced and he believed in that so strongly and taught that so strongly in the book of five rings that if you
If you think about how he applied it to sword fighting, it makes sense. Everything what you're saying makes sense because you have to be completely pure when it's just two men and swords. You can't have any bullshit. You can't let the ego get you on the wrong line because you're not just going to get punched in the face. You're going to lose your head. That's right. Yeah. That's right. There is no time. And that's why I don't like it. There's no time for.
talking. There is no time for a bad word in your talk. No time for a bad move in the fighting. So
your mind has to stay controlled, stay present and do nothing, what's not useful for this moment. Right now we are in nature here.
when our life will, these podcasts, these talking, maybe when you will not talk your everything true, everything honestly,
It will cost you a life so we will ever move we both We will pay attention of every our word because in in that ages of Miyamoto Musashi there was a Even even the word can cost somebody's life. Yes, so that's why they were so Precise in everything in every that's the Japan every movement every
even the teapot, even the tea ritual is art. So that's why they are so precise in the thinking.
in expressing your true self, not just talking, whatever, matter of fact, hey, hey, what's up? I do it.
This is something when I don't like to America. Like everybody ask you, hey, how are you? And don't care about your answer. And I want to say, hey, I'm great. How are you today? No, he's don't care. And it's going somewhere. So why ask me? Why are you doing this? So it's a figure speech, unfortunately. Yeah, but still.
It's a it's a kind figures. Yeah, I know I'm not real. Yes, but it's not real. They don't really care what you're doing. I don't care. How are you? I understand.
So yeah, let's let's be real, but sometimes don't don't push it too much to right to the I'm important every my vote is important every movement so the true power is coming is coming with a lightness to be lightness and lightness is not to take in so much seriously and take in
too too much lights so taking like like don't care about what I'm saying so some balance balance this is constant balance and staying pure staying here and do you is that what you're feeling when you stare your opponents down because like
These, one of the fights with Pereira and the fight with Jamal Hill, you just lock on your opponent and you stare. And is that what you're doing in that moment, just trying to be completely present, just to empty yourself of all bullshit? Yeah, this is the moment before the fight. It's all about that, because there is no opponent. There is just this moment.
I'm everywhere. That's everywhere. I like it. I'm everywhere. Yeah, but this is not something I'm telling you that because I want to be cool. No, no, I don't think you are. This is a real truth.
Yeah, that's all. So now that you have this big victory, what happens next? Do you wait for the UFC to call you? Do you wait for Enkelive and Pereira to fight to see what happens next? This is what I am right now, not expecting what I want to see to fight. If they fight will happen because they are translating that so much, they are fight.
So let's see, let's see who's the best and my attitude and
Right now I know that what to do, not to get better, to do a real serious preparation to get prepared for both of them, doesn't matter who, and be ready for negotiation about the next fight.
I won a title, but I will let the life to give me who's before me right now. Who's the challenge right now before me? So it's just about whatever the challenge is, accept it, and then try to find your best self for this next performance as well. That's right. It's an exciting time for you, man. How old are you right now? 32. It's a perfect prime. That's in your prime.
It's exciting time. Are you enjoying this life? Yes, yes, yes. Yes, enjoying. But a man, a long time, nobody asked me for like for these questions. So I didn't thought about that long time. But yes, since I decide, I want to go this way of the of the warrior.
of a true man to feel the true power and take it to my life and live with that, not just to feel that and go away, but to keep it in a daily life.
Yes, yes, I'm enjoying that. And I don't know who said that, like, watch yourself like an art, like an David you are. Well, you're making a masterpiece.
Master, make a masterpiece from your life. And that's what I like to do in my meditations. To take a step up, watch yourself, watch where you're going, who you spend time with, where is your daily routines, how it makes you better,
and then go into the deepest level of the present moment and leave that and stay with your best ideas what you are connected with.
Yes, so, yes, you ask me, yes, I leave that. But I didn't, in the time, right now, I can say it right now, I didn't expect, it will cost you
everything, like it will cost you your old personality and you will be born like a new personality. But still, I know somebody, my spirit, whoever choose that, because I know this is the way.
One of the things that I have to talk to you about was in the Alex Pereira fight, you thought that they were using some magic spirit, black magic. Why did you think that? You know, okay, I will take it from another start. When I'm doing something,
I'm doing that, like, I'm extreme in everything what I'm doing. So I want to go to the bottom of the start where it's the source of that, where it's going.
And the source of the spiritual world of that question, what is the spiritual world? Where the source is? If there is some weapons, how they use that in the cage?
And I went in that so deep, so I get lost, really. So I had another chance just to totally close these doors, just believe that I am who I am, who
to believe just for ideas which I started with, like the martial arts and all these things, and just be in the gym and train. Don't do another these bullshit because with the Pereira, I really get lost and I started to believe
to another people, to not just myself and this is something, this is the way to the health, when you start stop believing yourself, you're through yourself and when you start believing some spiritual guys who's trying to protect you or giving you something and trying to lead you and they know what's the best for you
And that was my biggest school in this life, I think. So yeah, that was my last preparation to just believe in myself, go to the gym and train, do a good camp, do a camp, what was the first, your biggest inspiration. So in Japan, I made a camp in Japan, then I made a high attitude training in Mexico,
Then I went back to my city Bruno for my guys for my team and we made a solid Good camp hard camp and The last fight I'm happy that Happy What is it about getting down to the source that made you think he was using black magic? Yeah, it's every time
a big, no big difference experience. I said that that worked. Big power when you are responsibility. It's big responsibility, not just
big responsibility we are we are I want to speak right now so I don't I don't want to speak about that fully because still it is it is something what I am humble for and I can say this is it this is it yeah to because everyone everyone have has the their own way and nobody is
like even me prepared for saying something what what can be for somebody like take it seriously, you know, you know, maybe, yeah, again, I get lost in that. So the thing is
I just started to believe. I will not speak about where is the magic, how to use the magic. But you believed that there was magic working against you. And that was the biggest power to my opponent because I was focused for him, not for me.
And that's where the Black Magic lies. And then? Because it gets you outside of your own head. But is that Black Magic or is that just his presence as a champion? Because that's the aura of a fighter is a weapon. He has. He has a role in a Sonya when he says Prime has that. Mike Tyson in his prime had that. Anderson Silva had that. There's an aura that champions have when they're in their prime that makes you think about them instead of yourself. And it probably seems like Black Magic. Yeah. But still, this is the
Just for me, is a pure self-confidence. And to be pure self-confident, you can't think about your opponent.
And that was something that I made, that was something that I really went to another level. Yeah. Yeah. So when you look at yourself now in this amazing performance against Jamal Hill, are you imagining yourself even better? Are you constantly imagining yourself even more precise, even more accurate, even more effective?
Yeah, sure. But right now, I'm more in reality about that. Not just in imagination. I want to see that in video. I want to be real. I want to see the results of my work. All these things, real. Not just think, like, still think about, I can be better. I can do this, but I know.
I want to be a champion and I'm going for it and I want to show that to everyone. That's all. And I will show that. And then we can speak about the black magic again. No, because...
So right now, you don't even want to concentrate on the idea of that. Yeah. And to protect yourself from that, you just don't think about it and be in your own mind. It's all about that. Yeah. It's all about that. Because in the, like I said, the mind is a big, great to serve, but the baddest, the baddest, the boss. Yeah. Yeah. So that's why it can run away from you.
Yeah, that's why I had to go back to the Japan where like my all believe started to go really deep because there I started to be I don't know how to say like not not just inspired but to live
live it, really live it without anything. In managing your mind, I'm sure one of the most important things is to not have a lot of negative influences, not have a lot of negative thoughts. Do you spend any time on social media when you're in camp?
Yeah. Yeah. But, but I'm doing just some posts and that's all. Yeah. Just posting the post and that's it. That's how to do it. Post and maybe some answer too much. Just a few of my friends. And that's all. No, no reading comments. No reading anything because I'm here to right now. I'm here to.
to show you my way of the martial arts, of my way to the strength, where I still feel the way. And this is it. What is the days that you spend in darkness and silence? What does that do for you?
Still, it's about exploring your mind. Keep your mind disciplined. Keep your thoughts on the ground. Observe the mind. It's all about the mind. And then about the training, because I train there too. You mean that dark room? Yeah. So meditation, observing mind.
follow, follow your and find the best, the best of your, what you can, what you can achieve in this life, what you can
If you can, if you want, really. And this is the question what everybody has to answer for, to ourselves. Which life we want to live, which thoughts is the useful, which not, which I need to let go, and which I want to keep in my life.
And so it's just a deep exploration of your own mind. Yes, maybe because there is a lot of levels, like imagination, some visualizations, some life dreams, all these things, because after three days, there is an opening, the third eye is opening, and you can see
You can, you can see truly who you are and maybe sometimes it, somebody needs more days without food. So it's going to be, then it's without food, it's going to be like more intensive. Yeah. Everything's going much faster. So yeah. So when you started doing this, you, you do no food. Do you just drink water when you're in there?