Handgun Radio 437 – Ruger RXM & More!

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Hello and welcome to Handgun Radio. I'm your host Ryan Bejad from the Wildwoods of Central Maine and this is your home for all the news, information and discussion in the handgunning world. This week we talk the new Ruger RXM and the Dark Mountain Stowaway 5.7. Please check out the Patriot Patch Company for their awesome patches and other high quality items. Visit at patreonpatch.co for more information and there are cool artist proof renditions that come along on the Apache month patch that you get.

Thank you to all our patrons business of patreon.com slash handgun radio. Mr. Oddball, how are you doing sir? Oh, pretty good. And Aaron is joining us as well from the ACP podcast. Mr. Weirdbeard is in dispose at the moment. He might be joining us, but Aaron, how are you doing? Hi, any emergency holographic weird bed. Okay, Robert Piccardo.

I am doing all right. Thank you. I've been dealing with some depression for quite a long time, but it looks like things are the light at the end of the tunnel isn't an oncoming train for once. So I'm feeling pretty good.

Glad to hear the things are going better for you. Me too. So, what do you do this week? Other than try not to go insane dealing with family who I still don't know what my plans are exactly for Christmas. And for those listening at home, it is currently Sunday, 12 December 22nd.

at quarter to nine local time. And my wife's family hasn't figured out what days we're supposed to be wearing, all that fun stuff. But other than that, pretty good. I think I got everything sorted out. Got a prime rib ready to cook for the family whenever they tell me what day I'm supposed to be wearing to cook.

Um, and, uh, let's cook your prime rib, hardball. Cause I honestly, I hate prime rib. Uh, it, uh, honestly, this will be the first time I've done it, but looking at multiple recipes, prime rib is stupid, easy to cook. I much prefer like a spiral ham. Fair enough. Um, but basically, uh, what I'm planning on doing.

is rubbing it down with some butter and salt and pepper and various spices and throwing it in the oven at I think the recipe said like

500 for five minutes per pound. And then after that's up, just cut the heat and don't open the oven door. Let that heat, that residual heat stay in the oven and just let it sit there for like three hours until it's up to temperature. And that's all you have to do.

I had seen the same thing. So yeah, I just, every time I've ever had it, it just is always super fatty. And maybe it's just because of the person to trim it right or something. I don't know. So there is a good chunk of fat right next to the meat on a prime rib.

And it's going to have a decent fat content, but fat is flavor. And ideally, it should be that kind of fat that really softens up and just turns into juices as it gets hot instead of

You know something chewy and tough, but i saw something that someone said that i was a post they put on facebook it said uh can we can we change the the annual meat. Thing for thanksgiving to a brisket cuz don't nobody pretend that you like eating that dry ass bird and in fact that that's what i had the things giving this year with was. I made some brisk some oven baked brisket.

uh, which again, it is a real easy thing. You, you, you, you put, put together your, uh, spice mix and, uh, rub it on it and, uh, actually, and brown, brown the, uh, hunk of meat and then throw it in a touch oven and throw it in the.

uh, oven for like four hours and you've got a pretty darn good brisket. It's not, it's not as good as properly smoking it, but it also doesn't take 12 hours. So true, but not having turkey on Thanksgiving is in fact heresy.

Actually, the turkey that we made this year was actually pretty good. There you go. If you don't do it the right way, then it gets a little dry. But I'm not a huge turkey fan. And my preference for traditional Thanksgiving meat is ham. But I'm not going to

I'm not going to stop anybody from having turkey. It's a good choice too.

read, uh, D tag much, but I know you're, you're a fan of the odd guns. There was a review. I'm going to put it in the show notes here, but I'll throw the link in the, in the discord chat too. Um, I thought you might like this, the simmer on 62 pocket Navy conversion in 380. Oh, speaking of pistols, I almost bought a, uh,

New gun at the gun show last weekend. Was it a bond arms super short barrel in a derringer in forty five. Is this the one with a barrel so short you can see the tip of the bullet sticking out. Not quite but.

Not far off. But unfortunately, the gentleman that was selling it had a bunch of signs up saying cash only and the ATM at the convention center was out of money. So the third time I've heard this story and it's depressing to even more. Welcome, sir. I have returned. It was West Morocco.

Oh, goodness. It's, it's a lot better than Boston. We were just talking. I told the oddball how much he would love the simmer on pocket 62 in 380 ACP, the conversion that was reviewed on the truth about guns. Oh, again, it's that's that's a semi out of caliber revolver. It's a semi out of caliber on an old West revolver. I'm angry.

Just saw the barrel off with a hacksaw and you're good to go. Oh the size of that thing though.

No, looking in his hand, though. No, that's what I'm saying. That is, again, I see. Now, I would be, I would be much more willing to entertain the idea of semi-auto cartridges in revolvers if we went back to making minuscule revolvers again. Like there are some like old like H&Rs, like in 22 and things like that that were really small.

And, and we just now everything's like J-frame is like the floor and everything is bigger than that. Well, yeah, before the J-frame, you had the I-frame, the terrier. Yeah. And I, and I just followed that link and that, that's adorable. I know. And especially for you, that guy's normal size.

And weird, I do once again have to point out. So I know you don't like semi-auto cartridges in a revolver. And you don't like single action only with loading gates.

How did you feel about my black hawk and 30 carbine and I will mix over well well so first up I liked it just fine because the moment the moment I finished shooting it David took it from me and unloaded it.

Because again, I think I punched out the first two and it took me four tries to do it. I'm just not good at, I don't have the muscle memory as Stephen King said in the gunslinger, the reloading trick, to be able to index the chamber with the loading gate to punch it out one after another after another in a fast fashion.

It was weird because when I got my first single action, I was able to do it right off and I had never had one before. Yeah. So apparently I was a gunfighter previously. Yes, maybe you were. Or the men in black traveled across the wasteland and Ryan, but Chad followed. Well, excellent. Aaron, what did you do this week?

I went shooting for the first time in a long time, because again, with the depression I've been dealing with, the thought of, I have to put on clothes and I have to deal with people and I have to drive, just really doesn't seem worth it. But things are looking better and I actually had the desire to go shooting. And so I shot a gun that I've only shot once before,

And it is the rigor max 9 that I bought back in. I don't even remember what month it was now. But it was something that I had my eye on for quite a long time. And I was saving up. And then we had the first Trump assassination attempt. And I went, you know, gun prices are going to go up, or they're going to make it impossible to buy online. And I just went ahead and bought by, I think it was buns, guns shop.

and uh it's a rigor max nine and i really really like it the first time i shot it i didn't do very well by my own standards because the recoil was just a little too snappy it wasn't as bad as i feared but it it was sharper than i had hoped and i was the first time shooting a pistol with a red dot for the first time and so

I've gotten some practice in with it now and also I bought a hogue handle on the grip and that really helped the snappiness of the recoil. Now it's just more of a strong push and I could shoot a lot more and I did a lot better. I still have lots of room for improvement. My biggest problem is I anticipate recoil and the only way to fix that is to shoot a lot more, which I would do if it wasn't so stinkin' expensive, but

Yeah. And the Ruger, the Max9 doesn't have a super aggressive texture on the grip either. Adding that whole grip like you talked about probably is definitely a huge advantage. Number one, it's added a little cushioning as well. But it also adds like it's kind of a stickier texture than the actual factory stock grip.

I don't know, I thought the stippling on it was pretty good, but I'm definitely happy with the hogue on it. And so most of my hits were solid defensive hits, but I'm a gamer, I'm a perfectionist. It's not like they all need to be bull's eyes, but I want to shoot in like the nine or the ten ring, and I wasn't.

What was it? Mel Gibson said, aim small, miss small. Yeah, that was in the Patriot. And so I shot about a hundred rounds at about 25 feet. I say that because it was a motorized target holder and there was no actual way for me to tell where it was. There's like a line on the floor and I go, that's good enough based on the shadow. So it was somewhere around in there, shot a hundred rounds and I had a fun time.

So, yeah. Excellent. And you said you had a training pistol too. Yeah, I didn't know if we were going to talk about that now or later. Well, we can do it now if you want. Okay. I put it in the main topic. I was reading for the main topic. Weird has to say something. We jump around. Okay. Ryan lives to break the rules.

all right so so this is my contribution for the main topic but but we're doing it now uh... you know we will do it live is uh... or rally said yeah uh... okay so because i am the head of operation blazing sword and pink pistols i frequently have to teach people how to shoot and look i i don't claim that i'm an instructor by any means but

I teach them the basics of safe gun handling and operation and I can do that and I wanted something that was safer than just a.

unloaded gun, but more functional than a blue gun. And what I did was I found something that not only fits all those qualifications, but has the bonus side effect of, I can use it for dry fire. And it's from a company called Laser Ammo, and it is a recoil enabled Glock G19 training pistol, and it uses green gas. And so essentially what it is,

It is an air soft lower and then there's a laser emitter barrel and you charge up the magazine with green gas. I went with that rather than what's what's the other one? CO2, I think. Yeah, I just CO2 cartridges.

Yeah, because CO2 is a little more punishing, and I think it was more expensive than the green gas, which is basically being subsidized by the Airsoft fandom. And I really like it because I can drop the magazine. I can work the slide.

And when I've got a live magazine in there, it will actually, you know, recoil and make a sound, although it doesn't hurt my ears. My mother's 85 years old. I let her shoot it and she had a fun time. So she didn't think the recoil was too much or the noise was too loud. So if you've got someone who's really averse to shooting a gun,

then you could train them on this, and it's completely safe. I have Glock 19 magazines. I tried to fit a Glock 19 magazine into the magazine well. It will not fit. So there's no way to turn this into a gun. And my hope is to take it to some conventions and have like a little laser training gallery.

And so people can come up and, you know, Pew Pew have fun shooting laser targets, but also I can teach them the basics of safe firearm handling if they don't already know it. The only drawback to this is that it's almost the price of a new gun. It's $425.

So it's not cheap by any means. But I have a legitimate business reason to use this. And so that's how I justify it. I don't know how anyone else on a fixed budget, they might not be able to. I'll jump in with my salesman pitch is that any gun that you have had for any length of time, you've probably put

Unless it's a super duper bougie expensive gun, or you don't shoot often at all, you've probably put two to three times what you paid for that gun in ammo downrange. And if this is taking very, very cheap gas, then you're probably going to be your, it's practically free is what I'm saying.

Well, you will need a laser target, and those also aren't cheap. But yes, over the long run, it will probably save you money just for practice. For when you want to go shooting, but you don't want to put on pants, you can do this. It's dry firing, but with a little bit more. It's damp firing.

Well, I mean, considering that there's a little bit of oil mixed in with the propane to make green gas, yeah, it's kind of moist. And it is a sufficiently complicated device that charging that much isn't ridiculous.

I can look at something like that and go, yeah, I can understand why the price point is. Is that what you say for 80, 490? No, 425. 425. But I do want to point out because I am evil and an enabler. They have the 1911 version of this at the lowest price I've seen at 299. Yeah, because no one wants it.

Ryan, you have all people. Sorry, weird. Well, I'm just trying to tempt weird into buying it. I mean, there is something about the, well, anyone that carries a 1911 is too old to understand how them fancy laser things work. So, what is this laser that you speak of?

I was going to point out that Ryan carries an idea. I noted that Ryan doesn't really understand how these laser things work. Which is very true. So, Mr. Weird, what do you do, sir?

I don't even know it's all a blur. I'm late because I just got back from Logan Airport. My parents took a two-week cruise and they frequently use our house as a staging ground. So they came down two weeks ago, spent the night with us, and then I gave them a ride to the airport, and then they came in tonight. Their flight was delayed.

I've been, it's been a while since I've been to the Logan airport, sell a lot. It feels like it was the same lot, but boy, it was terrible and crowded and people not knowing how to deal with other human beings. And then the traffic was awful. And I got home much later than usual. And because my parents aren't sticking around until Christmas, they have to go back up to Maine. We're going to have a little mini Christmas in the morning, which means my daughter is very excited and sticking to the ceiling and walls.

Yeah. Lucky they weren't on the Airbus 310 that I flew today on flight simulator because I crashed that friggin thing right into the ground just before I landed at Logan. I just the other day someone was sharing the video of I think this was like in the in the late 90s of the dude who I think in Seattle just like walked into a walk down to the tarmac and stole an Alaska airplane.

that was that was in like the two thousands of what was it yeah he stole he stole a uh... uh... it was a terrible it was a it was a it was the the jeffs i don't know i think it was i don't remember the plane but yeah he kept talking to him in a t c i don't know i'm not going to crash and anybody like hey can i go see that island over there you guys mind

And he did like a, did like a couple of three, he did, he flipped it over and inverted. And he, they were like, we don't, but cannot believe that you actually did that. Yeah. And, and, and it's supposedly it was like, he got within like 10 feet of the, uh, uh, 10, 10 feet of the, uh, of, of the lake when he was in a de Havilland. He was in a de Havilland, um, Canada dash, uh, dash eight 400.

Which is a turbo prop. It's not even a jet. What was his name? 28 year old Richard Russell stole it from Seattle Tacoma Airport. He, let's see, broken guy. I got a few screws loose. One hours and 15 minutes after takeoff, he successfully executed a barrel roll before he crashed the aircraft on a lightly populated island in Puget Sound.

I mean, you got to give the guy credit doing a barrel. We're on a Q 400. I'm amazing and ripped the wings off the thing. I know. Me too. I mean, aerobatics planes are not built the same way as the regular plates. It's just like whenever you see a movie where someone takes a, takes a, just a standard car over a jump.

And they keep striving. And it's one of those like, no, the movie road trip actually did it really, really well when they jumped before the whole thing just fell apart. It wouldn't quite be that comical, but it would be functionally that.

He spoke of wanting to do a couple maneuvers to see what the aircraft would do or question the coordinates, coordinates of an orca that had been brought to national attention saying, I want to go see that guy. He stated that he did not want to hurt anyone. And the final minutes of a communication apologized to his friends and family near the end of the flight he was aircraft was seen performing a barrel roll or a Puget Sound, recovering approximately 10 feet above the water.

A veteran pilot said that the maneuver seemed pretty well executed without either stalling or pulling the wings off. When an air traffic controller requested he land the plane after this maneuver, he said, I don't know, I don't want to. I was kind of hoping that was going to be it, you know. I wasn't really planning on landing.

There's a pucker factor for everybody listening. Ten feet with a bombardier Q400. And also, you can hear like he was talking to people. So this is probably going to be like life in prison for me, isn't it? And they just are being very tactful not to answer his question.

a boy well we're what's your drink segment sir cuz i know you got something the mail i think that and yeah that's the that that's the one that i i want to talk about you set me and actually i don't have the bottle do you know the brand name yeah i just says like bidders or bidders number one or something

Yeah, the I could I could go I got a picture on my phone. I'll look it up. You sent me a essentially it's a an old-fashioned pre-mix where it's essentially the the sugar the sugar syrup and the bitters all mixed into one and it's a it's just a real like I the first thing I did was I just poured a little little little spoonful just to see what it was like and it's

It's very, very nice. The Jenton is really, really strong. It sure reminded me, actually kind of gave an instant thought of like, oh, this is kind of tastes a little bit like Coca-Cola. And send the chat.

There it is. Oh, that's my table. Yeah. Yeah. Bitter milk cocktail, cocktail mixer, bourbon barrel aged old fashioned. And yeah, and it is. And so the fun thing is the, I mean, the first thing I did was I mixed it with a little bit of rye, a little bit of bullet rye, just to see what it was all about. And

Why i have set it before i made an old fashioned on the show before and said overall i'm not crazy about old fashions not because they're not a great drink but i just don't find that they're that transformative to just either i feel like they they they beg me to.

They beg for a different, like, a little bit more, like either more like a Manhattan or a Sazerac or something else that's close to an old-fashioned, but a little bit beyond that. But one thing that I realized is, hey, this is like...

This makes it painfully easy to old fashioned anything. And as I said in previous episodes, but it's worth reiterating, the reason why they call it an old fashioned is the original cocktails were essentially medicine.

Uh, but people, you know, but also sometimes people just liked it. So we'll have medicine just for fun. But alcohol was pretty much one of the like pretty much the primary over the counter medication for pretty much everything as, uh, the, uh, the CEO of, uh, wild Turkey said, uh, said, uh, back then it was either, it was either, it was either whiskey or a lot. And people liked to stick to whiskey as long as they could.

And and bitters were designed as essentially patent medicine. And so they were designed as for healing properties for settling stomachs and things like that. And so taking a liquor and adding bitters and sugar to it. And the sugar is just simply to make it so that the wall goes down a little bit better was essentially the first cocktails. And it was really, you know, very utilitarian in its design.

And so the reason why I got the name old-fashioned is as many people speculate it was that people would go into a new fangled cocktail bar where people are using vermouth and triple sac or Curacao or

Mariskino and other other of the the the liqueurs that were coming in that were used for mixing and saying no no give me give me an old fashioned cocktail and it's synonymous with either bourbon or rye but anything can be made into an old fashioned.

And I just decided on a whim to make it with gin. And the picture that Ryan shared, you can throw that in the show notes if you want, is with Tank Ray. And I found Tank Ray was a little bit high on the Juniper. But if you did that with Bombay Sapphire or

Um, or new Amsterdam that would, it's absolutely amazing. And it's, it's kind of neat to the fact that you're throwing in what you would normally associate with whiskey just because it's really those flavors are all kind of tied into whiskey cocktails, but you could actually do this with gin. You could do this with rum. Probably do it tequila. I mean, I should probably try it with tequila, but that's.

There's there's a number of YouTube bartenders who have done the will it old fashioned and have made old fashions out of spirits other than whiskeys and and it's really good and I encourage anyone to give it a try both the regular old fashioned way of using either sugar cube or sugar syrup or and bitters or if you want to pick up the the the bitter milk cocktail cocktail mixer

by all means. It's good stuff. And thank you so much, Ryan. And the dole camp button also helped you. Yes. Yes. Yeah. You also sent me two political buttons. Dole camp and the Ross Perot. Ross Perot, because I've always mentioned that I met Ross Perot when I was in when he was when he was running for for president. Our band played a hail to the chief of the Star Spangled Banner when he gave a speech at our high school.

I'm young enough to remember watching all that and someone was doing a Ross Perot skit. And they just had the big ears on. I don't remember who it was. Yeah. Well, also, also fans of the Fifth Element. That was that was who Gary Oldman used as his dialogue coach for.

Jean Baptiste Emmanuel Zorg was he was watching Ross Perot give speeches recorded and that's that was that was where that accent came from.

Yeah, once you once you once you know that you can't you can't unhear it. Yeah. So, so an actor is playing a man with a very French name, but he models his voice after someone from the deep, deep Texas. Yes. Okay. Great sucking sound. Pleasure to see you again, father.

Alright, so we'll head into the main topic, the Ruger RXM in.

So this was, I mean, we're a little bit late to the punch here, obviously, but the Ruger RXM, I mean...

I like it. They partnered with Magpol and they're making essentially a Glock clone, but with Ruger sensibilities, I guess. I mean, this makes perfect sense because if you if if people remember long enough, because I mean, I haven't really been following the Ruger semi autos after the the the P series. But

But the, because I just, I fell in love with the M&Ps once the, once the Glock killer wars kicked off. But the SR9 and SR40, they were designed, they, they, Ruger openly said these will fit in comparable Glock holsters. So you could get an SR9 or an SR40. And if you had like a Glock 19 holster, it would absolutely fit in that holster and run just fine.

And so they were already kind of trying to edge into the to the to the Glock world without making a direct Glock clone. So this actually makes a ton of sense, especially since the the Ruger semi autos are great guns. And if you've got one, it's I'm sure it's wonderful. The prices are great on them. But

They've been, they've been kind of, they've been kind of also rans in the full size duty pistol line. The small guns have been rocking and rolling, but the duty pistols have really been trailing behind many of the others. I think probably Taurus is probably even outselling them. So this actually makes a ton of sense. Oh, is this the one that's being touted as a Glock killer?

I mean, it's straight up a Glock clone. It is a Glock, just with no Glock parts on it. With one major difference, which is, it's a chassis gun. Yeah, that was, I just read that the other day and I was like, oh, I saw it, I saw it going through and I didn't get a chance to change that. This is a chassis gun, isn't it?

Yeah, which I've seen a couple people state that this is that this is the gun that Glock should have already put out. Okay, so for people like me, chassis gun is that the one where the gun is actually the trigger group as opposed to the lower?

Yes, correct. Okay, great. So which means that, okay, cool, you want a different grip or you want to do your own custom sibling job, and you're done screwed up. Mm hmm.

That's fine. You don't have to go out and buy a new gun or, you know, do a new background check and all that fun stuff. Yeah. The part you paper is the trigger group. Right. So you can buy a new grip, a new frame and pull the trigger group out of the old one and stick it in the new one.

Which also means I remember the people and this is a brilliant design, but it's also risky as hell because what if you don't like it? But the people that actually sought took like either a Glock 19 or a Glock 17, usually Glock 19 and sawed the grip down so that it would flush fit a Glock 26 mag.

Yeah. And that's great. But once you start cutting on that, there's no backseas. It's that or buy a new gun. And now all of a sudden, you can cut it down and, oh, worst case scenario, you're out a $25 to $50 part. Right. I imagine this is also

very helpful for people who live in gun unfriendly states, like California or Massachusetts, where you have a listing. And so by listing just the modular trigger part, you have far more capability rather than, OK, this one comes in green. So now we have to give it another list on the approval

thing, and it's got to be tested to destruction and crap like that. Well, I'd be willing to bet that this gun and many others like it would not be approved for California or Massachusetts. Well, so, but that was the thing is actually, we did a segment on an ACP a while back, but California actually got a SIG 320 approved on the proof roster under the grounds and it was a single shot. It was a non repeating. Uh huh.

but it was the SIG chassis. So it means that you could buy this single shot completely neutered gun and then just throw all the California compliant parts away. Same idea with, I mean, one of my daily carries is a SIG 365 and the Massachusetts compliant one has the thumb safety. That is mandatory. You have to buy it with the thumb safety for it to be Massachusetts compliant.

And so I immediately took it, bought a Wilson Combat Grip Frame, took the chassis out, popped the safety off the chassis, put it back in the frame without the safety that in the frame doesn't have the safety hole. And away I go, I've deleted the safety off of my P365, under full compliance with Massachusetts law.

And of course, amusingly enough, California, after they caught on that people could do that with the 320, put out a notice saying telling owners, yeah, you probably shouldn't do that. Because while it's unclear, you might be breaking the law. Uh-huh. But you're always breaking the law in California, no matter what you do. We can't figure out how well, but it might be against the law.

Yeah, all you need is some wealthy gun collector to say, cool, I'm your huckleberry. Come at me, bro. Yeah.

I did want to comment on your statement with the full-size Ruger pistols after the p-series. Everything that I've seen, I've never fired one, but everything I've seen and everything I've heard, like the Ruger American and what was it, the security nine, I think, was the name

Yes, security nine and the Ruger American, we're after the SR series. Yeah, our good pistols, they just never caught on with anybody. I honestly... It's a crowded market, too. Yeah, it's a crowded market, but...

For years, people have explicitly not wanted sexy. And people are talking in the article I'm reading right now. But the whole Polymer 80 craze where people were building their own, because you can buy the slides and the barrels and the springs on the aftermarket and they ship right to your door. And this is basically doing all the work for you.

Yes, it is a firearm. You have to, you know, do the paperwork and everything else. But like we were talking about with the fire controls unit, you know, it's eminently customizable to your tastes. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. So I mean, this is a good market for them to get into when it looks good. And, you know, when it has the Ruger name behind it, it does generally, I mean, there have been a few missed tests, but in general, it means reliability.

And talking about it being a crowded market, it'll be interesting to see how it does because specifically, we've now entered a time where Glock clone is a crowded market.

Oh, but when it has the ruler name behind it, I think that's that's a big step up for a lot of people. Well, people who are used to buying rubers, you know, there are some people who are gun guys and they know about rubers. They know about Smith and Wesson. They know about Glock. Oh, yeah. But you know, they don't know about.

You know, who are the people doing the glock clones? Well, I don't know about polymer A.D. BSA. You know, they don't know about PSA. They don't know about polymer A.D. But they know about Ruger. They see that Ruger has one looking like this, like, hey, OK, I like that.

Oh yeah, you're absolutely correct on that. And it has an MSRP right at $500, so it's a little bit cheaper than the Glock. And like we've been saying, it does have the one big added benefit of its it's a chassis gun.

This is going to push Glock to do that because there's no reason they shouldn't. Well, and, and that is really the thing with Glock is Glock seems to never do anything until they are absolutely forced to. You know, they, they, the, the, the bouncing between whether finger groups are good or not. Uh, and no.

They finally added the removable backstrapped after like three or four different companies had come out with. After everybody else had come out with them. Walter did it way back with the P99. Yeah. I think they were fairly late to the party with the red dot cut. And this comes with a flared magwell too. Yeah.

Yeah, and so, yeah, and I'll just say for my own personal thing is the, when finally the mag restrictions, one of the reasons why had Taylor carry a 1911 is because Massachusetts has limited magazines. So therefore, a single stat when you're dealing with anything bigger than a 365.

a single stack is really the only way to go. But when I no longer have to be beholden to the mag capacities, I'm like, oh, well, what should I do? And I've looked into some of the more bougie options just because why not? And I've just found that like holster fitment and that sort of stuff can get tough. And so I'm just like, oh, you know, I should just build a, you know, have a P365. But I've got the Wilson combat frame.

But I don't want a $3,000 Wilson combat 365 build. And so instead, it's one of those like, I'm going to see if I could, you know, when the laws change here in Massachusetts, because the Supreme Court hopefully has finally told them to knock it off.

I just want to just, I'll just buy a chassis and just start buying parts because you can do it all piecemeal and just put it together exactly how I want it rather than worry about, oh, I'm going to buy this gun and then I'm going to throw some parts away or put some parts in a bin. Lego gun. Yeah, exactly.

Aaron, what do you think of this? Do you think you would you would like something like this or actually, Aaron, you were talking about your hand size. This would be a good option with the chassis system. You could get a smaller frame. Oh, you could just not the chassis. Yeah. You know, I mean, maybe, you know, maybe they maybe they start to sell just the frames. You buy the chassis as a serialized part and then you customize it to what what fits your needs.

Yeah, when I had my Glock 26 and as weird and audible will attest, I have tiny little hobbit hands and I really had difficulty reaching the trigger.

I could reach the trigger, but then the backstrap was against my thumb, rather than the area in between the thumb and forefinger. And it's just like, yeah, that's not good. So what I did, and yes, knowing full well how dangerous it is, I took a Dremel tool to it and actually cut off part of the backstrap. And I put finger grooves on the right side. And I

I was very careful and I managed not to screw it up and made it a lot easier for me to shoot. So an option where I would get that functionality without having to butcher the lower, that would be great. Yes. Thank you. Well, even even if you butchered the lower, you could still get a replacement lower for like, what? $60, $70 maybe. Right. Right. Because it's not the gun. Exactly. Right. Right.

And also, on top of that, you and I were talking a little earlier about it, is the fact that the P365 is magic and the fact that they took a double stack nine and made it the size of a single stack nine. But we were talking about the magazine and all of that. And while the magazine is a little bit thinner than many of the competitive double stacks,

out there. It's not that much thinner and really a lot of the magic behind it is how thin they made the frame. And so in theory, the idea is, oh, you've got a Glock here and it's taking Glock magazines, but it's a big bulky thing. Well, does it have to be that bulky?

The cool part is it just take clock magazines which are just cheaper than dirt. And made by people that aren't Glock. Look like the idea is that you don't like everything on this gun you can you can replace upgrade change.

without ever having to go to any one group. So these people are all competing with each other and they all want your money. So this one of those like, yes, you can get a Glock magazine. But if you don't want the magazine with Glock stamped on it, Magpul is more than happy to sell you a magazine that has Magpul stamped on it for a little bit cheaper.

The next one here I want to talk about, and I saw this on 22 Plinksters page. I will throw the video link into the show notes. It is the 5.7 stowaway. Yeah. And I wish this was a 9. I like 5.7, but I kind of wish it was a 9. But this thing is so cool. He has a suppressor on it with a brace.

But it's the Stowaway pistol by Black Mountain Arms. And it is a bolt action. You have to pull the striker back. 379 MSRP. But you could take it apart, eat the collar. It's awesome. It's such a nice little compact package.

So I'm going to pick up the idiot ball and ask the question, why a bolt action pistol? So technically it's a rifle, but we call it a pistol and we use the fancy loop around thing with the buttstock that is a arm brace, but isn't an arm brace sort of thing. OK.

So you get an SBR without doing the whole tax stamp thing. Okay, but that doesn't answer the question of why bolt action. Probably because it makes it cheaper and simpler to make. Yeah, since you don't have any parts and springs and such. All right, that's fair.

And also, it can be taken down into like several different pieces. If you watch the Plankster video, he can't show how he takes it apart, but he can show on YouTube how he can put it together for some reason. That makes it valid under YouTube's rules. And so, like, you could literally have this all just in your pocket, basically.

I mean, you think it'd be the other way around. You think that YouTube would object to people building a gun, but if you want to turn it into pieces, that's fine. I know. He shows in the video how he puts the collar on and puts the bolt in the gun and puts the suppressor on. This is a seven inch barrel. Now I need to go to ballistics by the inch.

And also Aaron, that it being a bolt action means that it can be a lot lighter and and also quieter to suppressed. Yeah, because you don't have the bolt cycling back and forth, which is going to give you port blast. And you're also going to have the sound of the action working. And while there's definitely folks that have made a takedown,

AR 15s or whatnot, that making it a bolt action makes it a lot simpler to make it a takedown. All right. Cool. And it's kind of cool that you did the bolt on the left hand side of the gun because you can keep your pistol grip on. Well, that's pretty standard for bolt action pistols as well.

Yeah, you can keep your hand on the pistol grip and then your left hand comes up and does the bolt and also he made it so you don't actually have to feed the round into the chamber. You can just drop it in and close the bolt and then cock it back and fire.

And I looked it up on ballistics by the inch and you're, it's, they don't have five seven unfortunately. So I'm not, this is a one to one, but, but according to this one, depending on bullet weight, you're getting generally around,

1500 to 1700 feet per second out of it except for like the ultralights for that in 22 mag which is close to 5'7". That'll give you some distance and reach out and again this is a

That's a, it's a nice, it's a very versatile cartridge for a lot of things to do. The bolt action will, will change it. I always point out a semi auto carbine in five, seven would make a great, like, you know, a ranch rifle, you know, something that's behind, you know, the, the, uh,

in the cab of a truck or under the seat of a combine or something like that where you might be out going around and you might see a pest animal like a coyote or something like that.

But also, if in fact you were attacked by a bunch of people or cattle rustlers, they still got those. With a semi-auto with one of these massive magazines, well, one shot may not be as good as like a nine millimeter on somebody. But hey, if you've got 20 or 30 of them, guess what they all add up? What's the ballistics by the inch and the nine out of the seven inch barrel? Let me have a look.

while he's looking that up. It's also interesting to see 5.7 used in this role. And it makes a lot of sense for 5.7 to be used in the, you know, okay, this is for a

survival or a pack gun where yeah you might end up needing to take out farmments or a small game where you know a lot of similar guns would use like 22 long rifle or 22 magnum or something like that and and having it be a rimfire cartridge or having the five seven being a centerfire cartridge rather

uh just makes it inherently uh more reliable because well i think five five seven is also more optimized for a shorter barrel length so i mean let's just say we're using like a heavy three fifty seven in a bolt action you're probably going to be burning a lot of that power out of the end of the barrel yeah

Yeah, you know, the five seven is inherently, you know, in the P 90 and stuff like that is generally a shorter barrel length that it's optimized for. And there is something to be said of a single shot.

bolt action or otherwise rifle or pistol is honestly a lot of fun. And I think that's one of those things where you're going to have people in two very different camps on it. You're going to have the folks that are going to look at it and just not get it, which I think

errands in that camp of i i i i i don't get it um and the other camp of okay this is really neat i want one i want one bad i mean once you explained it to me i had a little better understanding of why it was neat but yeah i had a lot of questions.

If you're up in the field, you get a peck of yolks running up on you, and you take one of them down with this. At the first shot, and you drop one of them, like solid right down to the ground, the rest of them are going to run. Hopefully, generally. It is perfectly fine for you to look at something and go, I don't get it.

Well, really, what this reminded me of was the 1992 John Woo film, Hard Boiled, where one of the bad guys, they're having like a shit out in a hospital, and one of the bad guys has a Thompson Center Arms contender. And it's just like, why is he using a single shot pistol? Oh, it's chambered in 223. Interesting.

Well, and I'm glad you mentioned that because that's something that like I did not understand bolt action pistols until I had

the opportunity to shoot, I think it was a cricket 22 bolt action pistol. And at which point, oh, the the accuracy and forcing you to take your time and all this out in the other, the okay, now I understand. But it's one of those things that it's kind of an odd ball or an odd

idea really, especially in this day and age where, yeah, you can get a semi-auto all day every day that does the same thing with no reloading.

Most people with with pistols there there's a certain level of the well, how accurate you have to be especially when you've got a few more right behind it and you mentioned john you would mention john woo and using it at Thompson center and john woo's later film a hard target with john claud van dam mm-hmm

uh... the villain who is played by the the legendary lance henryson uh... he's using a topson center in and his is in forty five seventy mhm so crazy like me and we're you can chamber anything in a bolt action that's what it is about to say all i see you too far and i am fd b

And actually, yeah, this was one of those that I first saw one at the GOA conference, and at first blush, I didn't get it either, until I really sat down and looked at it and thought about it. And it kind of tickles a giggle button with me. Of course, also, I've been thinking about

printing out the hitchhiker 22, which I link to in chat, which is a, which is a very similar firearm in 22LR. You know what else tickles me, Audible? What's that? This tank folio in 38 Super. I don't know why I like 38 Super. I've never even shot one before, but I want one. I mean, they're flat that thing is. Yeah.

38 super. I want a 38 super. I'm sorry. I'm stuttering. I mean, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's a cool round, but, but, I mean, that's, that's the ultimate joke is I, when, when, when, uh, 357 saying came out and it was being marketed as, oh, it's, it's a 357 Magnum, but for a nine millimeter size handgun. And I looked at the ballistics and I went, no, it isn't you liar.

And then suddenly, a friend of mine got a carry gun in 38 Super. And I was just like, oh, look at the ballistics on this. The ballistics are really, really good. And they went, that reminds me of 357 Sig. It is. And it's 357 Sig is 38 Super, but with a fat bum and no rim.

Flow bore 38 super 124 grain jacket at hollow point at 1350 115 at 1450 now I can't tell it with 10 with 10 Foglio is that a It's like a witness I think is the witness or is it a is a CZ 75 basically I think as a Hello Kitty sticker Hello Kitty sticker on the site

It's a kalashna kitty. I love it. Yeah, I looked it up there. The tank, hopefully, your gold custom is a witness. It's a CZ-75. I mean, you're getting damn near 357 Magnum ballistics out of it. It's a long cartridge. That's the one pain in the ass.

Yeah. Yeah. It needs needs to be needs to be in guns that are chambered in 45. Yeah. And then just just because I'm odd, odd ball, the Lipsi's exclusive Ruger, they just dropped the Bisley in 41 Magnum. It's beautiful. That is a pretty good a Buffalo bore offers. Oh, dear Lord.

the folks that weren't hugged enough as a child. Aaron, do you know Buffalo Boar? No, I don't. Buffalo Boar is our favorite ammunition company that we talk about here because you will find the heaviest possible ammunition you could ever find. They'd make literally like 25 ACP Magnum ammunition.

Yeah, they find the limit for you and put the round right up to the limit of what firearms shambered in that can take. And there are some instances where they will straight up say, yes, this ammo is only for these guns or explicitly not for these guns. This ammo does not respect your safe word. Yeah.

Go, go on the show notes, Aaron, I'm posting a link to one of the heaviest they have for 41 Magnum. This is just absolutely insane. Heavy 41 Magnum outdoorsman. Keith led semi-wad cutter 230 grain at 1450. I mean, the 265 grain at 1350.

I mean, still, this is the part that I don't like about 41 Magnum is it's getting shot by it? Well, yes, but it fits in and only fits in an end frame size revolver. And it holds as much as they're generally six shots. And it's, you know, that's just one of those like, okay, I get it if you want something that's kind of in between

you know, 44 Magnum and 44 special. But, you know, either download it, download the 44 Magnum or, or, or, or, or all that. It's, I just, I've never got 41 Magnum. Weird. These are the same people who make, I'm looking at it right now, a 60-grain hardcast, flat nose 25 ACP that goes 850 feet per second. Revolutionizing the concealed carry 25.

Or I also looked it up there blowing up your baby brownie. Yeah. They're heavy, 357 mag pistol and handgun ammo, a 357 Magnum round with 180 grain jacket at a hollow point, rated at 1500 feet per second that they state. This ammo is safe to shoot at any steel, 357 revolver, including J frames, watching that to get off a J frame.

Imagine firing one out of them out of one of those 340 PDs. Oh, here we go. 45 ACP plus P outdoorsman 255 grain hard cast lead flat nose going at nine at what is it? 925 feet per second.

The slow and heavy 45 is really heavy and not so slow. Aaron, let's see the most dangerous ammo they load that you could shoot out of your Ruger Max.

Let's see. Nine millimeter Luger plus P plus 124 grain at 1300, 115 grain at 1400. The outdoorsman, 147 grain, hard cast at 1100. Penetrator, 124 grain at 1300. So this is basically... This is basically the commercialized version of Bubba's piss and hot hand loads.

Yes, I love that group. I love that group. I love that group. I love every post I ever see in that group. I just posted a chat. They're 45 gap page where, I mean, the joke, of course, of 45 gap is it's like really, really lousy 45 ACP, but hey, it fits in a smaller gun with very, very diminished capacity.

But then they've got like 45 gap ammo that like outperforms like standard issue plus P45 ACP. They got two different 230 grain loads that are rocking at 900 feet per second. The 185 is going 1100. Yeah. Those primers have got to be a little bit mushroomed. Or just really, really hard meta.

Oh, I love those guys. It's just so awesome. I just love the fact that they actually stock a 25 ACPR cast. Oh, man. And last one here, Springfield has a 2.0 of the XDS.

Yeah, so I don't know if you guys remember these things. Springfield came out with the XDS, which one of those things that Springfield decided to give Beretta a run for. It's money on stupid ways to differentiate.

It's different pistols. If you don't know what I mean, don't know what I mean. Look up the Bretta 92 and the Bretta 92. 90-t-w-o.

oh that's helpful right uh so so they came out with uh a few years back they came out with uh you know of course Springfield armory has the XD series and the XD NM which uh M stands for manage where where they uh

actually match the slide and frame together and do a couple extra special things and make it a better pistol. And the XDS was the slim version, the slim single stack.

which when it came out, there was a lot of good buzz around it, and it originally came out in 45 ACP, and then later came out in 9mm, which, of course, people like

weird would always be interested in a compact single stack slim 45 ACP pistol. And the 45 ACP kind of fell off. I believe they discontinued it at one point. And of course, once the 365 came out,

Any sales for the XDS pretty much vanished as far as I'm aware. I was looking up something different on their site and noticed that they actually now have an XDS 2.0. So they've updated it a little bit through a red dot on it, etc. And they've reintroduced the 45 ACP.

which I just, I find it interesting that they would come, that they would reintroduce a pistol that a single stack compact carry piece when, and they have reintroduced the 45 ACP. That's the one part of it that, okay, I can see that this could make sense.

The nine millimeter in today's market with the 365 and the Hellcat and the rest of the tiny double stack nine millimeters. I don't really understand introducing a new single stack nine millimeter. It's not a bad looking gun. You're supposed to get rid of the stupid grip safety.

I will say I have an XDM compact. In fact, that was the first gun that I carried. And that grip safety, you really don't notice it.

But it just shouldn't be. It's just one more failure. Oh, that's a reasonable critique. When my wife got her new car this past week, they were like, oh, you could press the button and the tailgate goes down by itself. I was like, OK, yeah, what happens when that motor craps out? I said, that's one more failure point.

When that motor craps out, I can tell you, you can get out and just pull the gate down. Oh, still, but in the same thing, like with her seat, with her seat, that was the other thing she was saying. She goes, I like it when I had the automatic seat thing where it would move forward and back and I hit the switch and now I have the lever. And I said, yeah, okay, so what if the seats all the way back and that motor craps out on the seat thing, but you can get your seat forward.

This is one more failure point. Oh, yeah. And there are some people like I specifically was interested in the XEM at the time because I wasn't real crazy about the idea of carrying a firearm without any external safety on it. And that grip safety was comforting to me. I do like the guns.

Can't recall there was one, I'm trying to think of it, but I can't recall what it was, but they had the grip safety on it. But if you wanted to, they included a pin and you could push the grip safety in and you could drive a pin through the grip.

and it would totally keep the grip safe completely down. Oh, Caltech's done one better for you. There was at the P15, their newest 9mm. There's actually a basically selector switch that you can, you turn with a screwdriver that

So you can either have the grip safety or you can turn it and it locks the grip safety in place. Yeah, that should at least be an option. I mean, otherwise it's a good looking gun. Yeah, and also part of it is the XD series.

My xDM has a very light true single action trigger to it. It's not as nice as in 1911, but it's a lot lighter and a lot shorter. Travel that then say a clock, etc. So you need something extra there. I'd be a little bit worried if it didn't have anything. If that particular gun didn't have anything.

And may I turn and say one of the things is the, oh my God, gun makers, stop doing this. I found the magazine, a magazine for the, this is one of the nine millimeter ones. And it's got the lip off the back side. Oh, like,

So I'm sure many of us practice doing the indexing our magazine by feeling where the little lip is hanging out. And this happened to me back. Jesus, this was ages ago. I decided that I wanted to upgrade from the Smith & Wesson 642 I was pocket carrying. And hey, look, Walther came out with this PPS.

So I walked into the gun shop, saw a PPS in there and realized it was a little bit more expensive than I was expecting. And they took it out, racked the action back, put it down. I dropped the magazine into my hand, closed the action, and then stuffed the magazine in backwards. Because again, I felt that lip in my hand and turned it around. Now, in defense of Springfield in this particular case, that particular magazine is one of the extended mags.

Uh, where they, they also had to extend the grip, including, including the back strap. I like it. I mean, I, I like the looks of it. I like the texture on the grip. Yeah. I was a good firearm. I was seriously looking at buying one and then the 365 came out. Yeah, I did. The three, the three, three, three, three 65 was pretty much a game changer at all. All aspects. Yeah.

uh uh uh uh before we wrap up uh i'm surprised you haven't gotten one of these yet um you were talking about burrata and i just thought of this oh i i saw one at the gun show this past weekend what were they asking for it

I forget what they were asking for, but it was a lot more than I was willing to pay. Especially since not only did they have it, they had the original presentation case and the whole nine yards.

We're talking about the Beretta Millennium. Yeah. And there is a certain amount of when it comes down to it, it's a gorgeous gun. But it's a commemorative gun, which I tend to shy away from. And it's the Ferrari of Beretta's. And when it comes down to it, it's a brigadier slide with the safety in the wrong spot.

Oh, it's on the frame. Yeah, it's in the wrong spot. Weird. Fix him. I'm just saying you can't you can't you can't do the gas pedal with with with a frame mounted safety. And I got to tell you, when you learn when you learn to ride the safety on a 1911 to keep the muzzle down, it really does help.

I have had induced malfunctions because of frame safeties on 1911 style pistols. Oh, what did you drag your finger on the slide? No, because my hand would push the slot would push the safety up against the slide. He a very strong man. Well, you know, you just push forward on the safety lever on a

Reddit slide and it disengages or head. If you push down on the safety lever, it will disengage. All right, next show is safeties. We will discuss which isn't everything else. Where did I go? We'll go back to our old days of crabbing bottles of rot cut.

and drink those and yell at each other. The difference is I'll be right and you'll be wrong. All right so with that we'll head into the wrap up section and close out the show.

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Well, I'm all over the place with my nonprofit and advocacy work and my blogging. And so you can find the links for all of that at link tree slash Aaron Paulette. That's link to dot e forward slash Aaron Paulette all one word.

Excellent. Throw that in the show notes so we have it when I go to post this next week. And Mr. Oddball, where can people find you when you come down out of the clouds? Well, before I say anything else, I do have to mention that some of the charity work that Aaron does is Operation Blazing Sword and Pink Pistols. And if you don't know what those are, look them up there. Wonderful organizations. Yeah, absolutely.

And you can find me. I am also on the Swear to Calber's podcast. And I have a blog at gunscarstech.com. And I'm usually hanging out on the ACP Facebook page. Oh, and thank you for my crossbow too, by the way, Oddball. You are very welcome. I punched a toothpick through an empty beer can the other night.

Was it a nutty nutty can? Yes, it was. Those are sterner stuff than your regular Budweiser case. I go, holy crap, I said my kids definitely can't play with this. Yeah, I didn't realize quite how powerful they were when I

No, I appreciate it. I'll I'll bring it to work. I have a couple coworkers that will love getting a toothpick in the back of a neck. But thank you for that. Well, I've got a couple co-workers have more eyes than they need. Yeah, I mean, they'd look better in a patch. Oh, no, that's a patriot patch. Then you put a velcro thing on their eye patch and they get to have a thing there. Oh, that's awesome. Yeah, exactly. How could how consider you?

You almost owed me a new microphone and keyboard, man. Alright, well, I appreciate everybody. Thank you very much. And until next week, have fun and safe shooting. Broadcast for shooters, hunters and gun enthusiasts. This is the firearms radio network.

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