First Stall Theory, Face Fitness, & Feeling Your Way to Better Decisions (5th Thing)
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January 28, 2025
TLDR: Amy discusses 'First Stall Theory' and shares a quote from Adam Grant about value-based decisions, Kat adds insights, a listener updates on their journey, Kate Winslet offers advice on aging, Amy talks about her face fitness progress, recommendations for books 'Fourth Wing', 'November 9th', and 'Daisy Darker' are given, and the hosts chat about Ryan Reynolds' mental state.

In this engaging episode of the 5th Thing podcast, hosts Amy Brown and Kat Vanburen explore a variety of intriguing topics, including the novel concept called the First Stall Theory, thought-provoking quotes from psychologist Adam Grant, and practical advice on aging and self-care. Here’s a comprehensive summary of their discussions, highlighting key insights and takeaways from the episode.
Understanding the First Stall Theory
The episode kicks off with Amy introducing the First Stall Theory, which is a humorous yet enlightening observation about public restroom preferences. Here are the main points discussed:
- The Theory: According to discussions and research, the first stall in a restroom is typically the least used, making it statistically the cleanest option. In contrast, many people subconsciously avoid it due to a preference for being in the middle (termed centrality preference).
- Personal Experimentation: Amy shares her experience of choosing the first stall during a doctor’s visit, testing the theory. This sets the stage for a light-hearted exchange about bathroom habits and preferences.
- Application Beyond Restrooms: The theory suggests broader implications in choosing seats in restaurants and other public spaces.
Major Life Decisions and Values
Shifting from restrooms to more serious life matters, Kat shares a profound quote by Adam Grant:
"Major life decisions shouldn't be based on short-term emotions but guided by long-term values."
Key Insights:
- Feelings as Mirrors, Not Maps: Grant emphasizes how feelings reflect our present states rather than guiding future actions. This reinforces the idea that decision-making should be rooted in our core values rather than temporary emotional states.
- Wisdom in Longevity: The hosts discuss how important it is to remain grounded when making significant choices, advocating for reflection and clarity during emotionally turbulent times. This advice aligns well with personal growth and self-awareness.
Aging Gracefully with Kate Winslet's Insights
In a shared listener update, the hosts reflect on Kate Winslet's perspective on aging, underscoring:
- Beauty in Aging: Winslet urges embracing natural aging signs, stating that wrinkles indicate a life rich with experience. The discussion touches on how beauty norms evolve over time and how society views aging women.
- Skincare Recommendations: Practical advice about caring for aging skin is shared, including applying skincare products to often neglected areas like the neck and hands, showing a commitment to self-care.
Face Fitness Journey
Amy updates listeners about her face fitness journey:
- Therapeutic Effects: She describes the benefits of relaxing facial and neck muscles through face fitness routines, calling it a relaxing and rewarding practice.
- Connection to Language Learning: In a quirky turn, Amy mentions that many face fitness tutorials on YouTube are in Japanese and humorously considers the possibility of picking up the language through these videos as she practices.
Literature Recommendations
The hosts recommend several engaging reads:
- "Fourth Wing": An adult fantasy novel that combines elements of dragons and love, drawing parallels to other popular series such as The Hunger Games.
- "Daisy Darker": A gripping murder mystery that promises unexpected twists, showcasing the narrative skills of contemporary authors.
Listener Update and Stories of Resilience
The episode concludes with an inspiring listener update from a woman named Taylor, who shares her remarkable journey with resilience in the face of personal challenges:
- Sharing Her Story: Taylor reflects on navigating her son's autism diagnosis and her husband's deployment, stating that podcasts provided companionship during difficult times.
- Defining Resilience: She emphasizes that resilience involves not merely surviving but thriving, which resonates with many who face adversity.
The episode wraps up with light banter between Amy and Kat, encouraging listeners to find beauty in life's complexities and the importance of community support during tough times.
Conclusion
Overall, this episode of the 5th Thing offers a blend of humor, wisdom, and practical advice on both the lighter and heavier aspects of life. The conversations encourage listeners to reflect on their values, embrace aging, and take proactive steps in nurturing their mental and emotional well-being. With insightful quotes and relatable experiences, Amy and Kat leave their audience with actionable advice and a renewed sense of resilience.
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Happy Tuesday. Welcome to the fifth thing. I'm Amy and I'm Kat and I'm going to start off with a story about the first stall theory because before Kat and I started recording, right when we sat down, I was like, if you ever heard of the first stall theory and you said you had not, well, I'm listening to a book on Audible called November 9th. Heard of it? No. It's a calling Hoover book.
Oh, it's like a story. Yeah, and the main character talks about how she always uses the first doll in the bathroom because she read that it's the least used by people, which equals less germs. So obviously I decided to Google if this is fiction like the book or actually a real study. And it looks like it's legit. I found an entire article about this called which doll is the cleanest. And according to studies, the middle stalls are to be avoided if possible.
Apparently people tend to choose the middle one because it's in the middle and they like to be in the middle preference. They're like, okay, I'm not going to go in the first one. Don't want to go in the last one. She's preference is that they go in the middle. On the other hand, the first stall, which is the least used is likely to be the cleanest because less people have been in there. Most people will avoid the first stall. And so today, you know what I did? I was at the doctor. Guess which stall I went into the first. That's right.
I went twice. I went before my appointment, first all, and then after my appointment. Guess why I had to go in the first one? The other two were occupied. I had no choice, but that means they bypass the first one probably for the centrality preference. Well, is that what it's called? Centrality preference? Do you make that up? That's what it says here. I tried to avoid saying the word at the beginning, and I was like, just because people prefer the middle stall, but...
I'm trying to imagine what I do, but I feel like I do go in the middle. Probably because it's a centrality preference. But if there's like, I was trying to use the argument that if I don't want to use the first one because I don't want people to like be able to like see me or something, but that's only if there's a line and then you just use the stall that's open.
That's true. But I mean, I'm just saying, if you have a choice and every stall, the world is your oyster, which one are you going to choose? And now you're going to probably choose the first stall because I said this and the main character and the book that I'm listening to said it. And then I Googled it. And here we are. Now we're talking about the first stall theory and it's a whole thing. Interesting.
But I mean, don't hold me to it if you actually like do some tests. But that I think applies to all public places and things. Like I'm thinking you go into a restaurant, you don't sit at the first table, I'm gonna walk past that one and go to the next one, you know? Like if you haven't a choice? Yes, I have a choice. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Well, I don't want to sit by the door because it's drafty.
Yeah. I don't know that it's like a cleanliness thing, but we're going to be in the middle where all the action is, but that's not really what I want to do in the bathroom. True. You know what they call that though, wanting to be in the middle. Centrality preference. Preference. Cool.
That's our new word of the day. We have to work into conversation. Centrality preference. We forgot about the word of the day. I know, it's been a minute. Well, we just brought it back. Yeah, okay. Just now. Centrality preference. In a very organic way. Yeah. That's normally not how we begin the show. We always begin with a quote, but since we were talking about first self theory, I wanted to make sure we touch on it in case anybody is listening to us right now and they are literally walking into a public bathroom. You're welcome.
And would you recommend somebody waiting for the first stall to open up? Well, I can't do that because by the time I make it to the bathroom, I'm already on the verge of peeing my pants.
Do you wait to go? Yes. I do that too and I don't know why I hate getting up and going to the bathroom. Yeah, I needed to go before, so I left work today to go to the doctor's appointment and I needed to go before I left work. Yeah. I should have gone before I left work because then I got to the doctor's appointment, I'm on the elevator and I have to like squat down like I'm getting something out of my bag because I am like, I think I'm gonna pee my pants. And if I squat down and pretend like I'm in my bag, at least I don't delay it.
You know, it just felt like I could like hold it and then someone got really squat down. Yes, because someone was getting on the elevator and I'm like, I can't do a pee dance or hold it anyway. So I put my bag down on the elevator and I'm like, oh, I'm going to dig in my bag right now and actually I'm getting something because I have to pee.
So I just got lucky that the first stall was available, but also even if I wanted to go to the middle stall, I don't think I would have made it. Like I had to just run to that bathroom, pee, and then I don't know what that is. I wonder if that's a thing around a lot of women. I find it such an inconvenience to have to go to the bathroom, but it is really bad for you to hold it that long. Yes, it's terrible for you. Maybe we work on that. I know. I need to rewire my pee area.
I know you can rewire your brain, but you know. You can strengthen the muscles. That's okay, or I need to do that. To rewire. Your pee area, okay. Well, I have a quote. Yeah, we got to get to the quote. Okay, so this comes from Adam Grant, who he's a, I'm pretty sure he's a psychologist, but he does a lot of leadership. Have you really? Oh, yeah, of course. He's great. Well, we've quoted him before, or at least I have for sure on the four things. BFF, I feel like, with Brene Brown, so anybody she hangs out with, I trust.
But the quote is, major life decisions shouldn't be based on short-term emotions. It should be guided by long-term values. Feelings are better mirrors than maps. They reflect your present states but they don't come with future directions. Don't let today's mood drive who you become tomorrow. I love that part. Feelings are a better mirror than maps.
Yes, that's what I was going to say back, but then I can remember all the words. I was like, oh, I like that. Remember it. Remember it. And then I couldn't. So feelings are better mirrors than maps is what it is. So not letting them tell you what you need to do in that moment, but when you know what's going on. I know that this is the right thing to do when I hear you, but sometimes just making decisions when you're all emotional just feels like the right thing to do.
Yeah. But then later, that's when you learn what wasn't the best decision. Yeah. So Adam Grant, he has a lot of good stuff on his Instagram page too. So if you don't follow him, yeah, he's really good. And you know, you said that him being BFF with Brene Brown just makes you trust him more. It's funny you say that because I had a phone call the other day with a woman. I have no idea what she looks like. I thought you were going to say with Brene Brown.
And I was going to say, how did you hold this in? Sorry about that. Sorry about that. It was with a woman that sounds like Renee Brown. Like she could be a Renee Brown impersonator on the phone. Really? So it's basically like I talked to Renee. Okay. I was picturing Renee the entire phone call.
And I thought for sure when we got off that this woman was going to be like, oh, yeah, I've heard this a million times. Because I said, hey, before we hang out, I just have to tell you, has anybody ever told you that you sound exactly like Brene Brown? And she said, oh my gosh, I'm a huge Brene fan. So I take that as such a huge compliment, but no, nobody's ever told me that. And I said, what?
Do they not have ears? Because she works in the therapy space, so I know people she's talking to know Bernay. Or have listened to Bernay or seen Bernay's stuff. It's not like I was talking to someone that has never heard of Bernay Brown. So I'm like, how am I hearing this and nobody else has said this to her? Did you have Bernay on the brain?
No, no. Okay. But my point in telling you this is I trusted her more because she sounded like Brene. He must be related to her in some way. But everything she was saying, I'm like, mm-hmm. Yeah. Yeah. You're legit. Well, Brene has a very calming and strong presence in her voice. Yeah, which I think is strong to do that. Yes. This woman has it.
I think confidence, but comfort, yeah. There was a lot of that. I mean, we were having to talk about some difficult things, and I just felt seen, and I felt, and I'm like, oh, yeah. Sign me up. Whatever it is you got going on. Oh, by whatever. Sign me up because you're basically for an A Brown. And she said no one has ever told her that, but I wonder how subconsciously sometimes if someone just A has a relationship,
With someone that we trust that we automatically give them more credit than we should or they look or sound like something familiar in our life that was safe So we give them more trust than we should. Yeah That makes sense if you have a friend that you trust then I am gonna be more apt to trust that person that makes sense But just because they look like somebody we should still have some thought around that and not automatically give them but I get the relation and
Let me throw this curveball at you. So I saw a picture of my college boyfriend of what he looks like now, kind of. So we're in our 40s. No, I came across a picture of my ex-wife. No, he's with someone that is related to someone that I know now. So I think on Instagram, I just come across because he doesn't have socials or anything, but
I saw a picture and I thought, oh, so I know what he looks like. I don't know if y'all can hear my cat meowing, but at the box. I put a big box in my room because I think it's so cute how she gets in the boxes and...
It's so cute. It's like her own little home. It's just a cardboard box. It's almost like you buy it with kids. You spend money on expensive toys, and then you're like, oh, they just want to pot in a pan. Or a cardboard box. And with cats, it's like, OK, here's a box. So back to this weird realization.
So I see a picture of him kind of recently of what he's looking like in his 40s. And then, you know, my boyfriend were at his house and I see a picture of him from 10 years ago, which would be the age of my college boyfriend now. And I was like,
Is that you? Obviously, Tim. But I'm like, you know, it's really weird about that. And I just said this out loud. I was like, you look just like my college boyfriend in this picture. Like, y'all, they look like they could be brothers. Really? Which is really interesting. So I thought I'd just share that. But not in that I'm dating him because, you know, but I wonder if there was something familiar about him.
Well, I think that's something to say that you're attracted to the same type of people, like looking even, like looks wise, like people go for similar things over and over again. So that makes sense. Does he look like him now? My sister even said that at one point, she was like, he's kind of giving, you know, who vibes. And I was like, I know, right? So you're saying I have a type, but I don't really have a type because I've been all over before. That is true. You don't really have a type.
Even in college, I really don't have a type. It's just interesting and weird. There's nothing related to any of this. And it's not some weird thing of like, that's why I'm dating him at all. It just is one of those moments of like, I wonder if subconsciously, because I know I'm not really. I adore him for all kinds of reasons. But anyway, I was going to share that tidbit. And then all related and you didn't know.
No, I already thought through that because it's so striking that I was like, so you don't have any family in this part of the country, do you? Or this part? Because I mean, I know a lot of his family history. And I said, it's just so weird how much y'all look alike. And he was real confident. He was like, it wasn't he was like, why are you bringing up your college boyfriend?
Which, thank goodness, because he's very mature, but it wasn't like a thing. I like the freedom to just be able to say whatever. I bet that there are some men that if a girl were to make a comment like that, they wouldn't be able to handle it. A hundred percent. So shout out. Shout out just blurting things. I've been saying more of what just comes to my mind. No, just in general, everywhere. Things that come to my mind, I just say it. Has that gotten you in any trouble?
No. Okay. Thank goodness. You've been having pretty good thoughts. Well, that is even your feet. Do you feel more comfortable with who you are in general around where you're not second guessing yourself? And is it you blurting things out or you just feel more freedom to be yourself?
I don't know. I literally, today, we were recording stuff for the Bobby Bone Show, and I said out loud, like a conversation I was having in my head, because I stopped doing something, and then I was like, oh, no, go ahead, do that. And then I go, okay, I will. I said all of that out loud. I said all of it out loud.
Everyone in the room was like, what just happened? And I was like, sorry, welcome to my brain. But I don't know if it's me being off my medication and I'm just feeling good. Usually that happens when people are like under the influence or something where they're like responding to themselves versus you're like very sober. Okay, I will.
No, I was like, okay, go ahead. Okay, I will. Like, I was picturing what Bobby would say to me, which would be like, okay, go ahead. And me being like, okay. But I said both things all out. It was the weirdest thing. All the voices in your head are integrating. Yeah, or I was like, is this the beginning of like the downfall? Oh, no.
I start just saying everything because that's what I do when I saw the photo in his house. I was like, gosh, is that you? Cause you look just like my college boyfriend. That's weird. They could be related. You weren't talking to yourself. No, no, no, no, but I mean, I probably would have like just to help out on that. So anyway, it didn't mean to talk about that at all. I do love that quote. So thank you.
for bringing that to us. Who said it? Adam Brown. Adam Brown. That's how we got to burn a brown, which is how we got to your college boyfriend. Just want to make sure.
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I do have an email from a listener that is an update. We were getting so many updates lately from listeners and I love, I think that they're hearing other people give updates and it's encouraging them like, oh, I emailed something two, three, four, five years ago, I'm gonna send an update. So I'm gonna read this now. It is from Taylor in Virginia Beach and she attached a picture and she said, she did a little PS at the bottom. I'm attaching a photo because I feel like if I was getting a listener email, I'd love to see them.
And I was like, yeah, you're right. So it was a cute little family photo. Hey, Amy, I emailed you about four years ago after my mother passed away from breast cancer. I'm not sure if you'll remember, but in 2020, my husband went on a very long deployment. My mother died of breast cancer and my son started regressing and showing all the signs of autism. He was three and not talking. I couldn't have a lot of communication with my husband and my mother, who I talked to all the time, was no longer here to talk with me.
To say that God used your podcast to help me through that time as an understatement. The Bobby Bones Show, too, of course. My nights with my son were brutal because part of his regression included sleep, so we were up all night long, and it felt incredibly lonely. But when 5 AM rolled around, I knew that I could turn on the radio and hear y'all. I looked forward to it. And on the days that a new podcast would launch, I was so excited. It helped fill the silence in my home and brought me joy and positivity.
I'm convinced that one of the greatest strengths we can possess in life is being resilient. For me, being resilient means finding a path forward and taking hold of moments of joy, because if you look, you'll always be able to find it. It may be a song, a podcast, an outfit, a moment with a loved one or a friend,
or morning corny, but determining to see the joy and enjoy it is so huge to being resilient. The Lord has been so kind to give me strength and wisdom to grow and become resilient, and giving me true moments of joy along the way. My husband is about to leave for another deployment, and my son, who was three, is now seven, and he has level three autism and is non-verbal.
I also have another son who is three and he does not have autism. And I will be navigating the majority of this year as a solo parent. It will not be easy, but I feel way more prepared to step into that than I did back in 2020. I have ways to cope with hard days. And I just have the wisdom to know that all seasons change and I will make it. I won't just survive, but by the grace of God, I may just even thrive. That part gives me emotional.
That line is so good. I won't just survive, but by the grace of God, I may just even thrive. Those are true words spoken from someone that has been through it, which a lot of people have, but she's speaking of the growth that she's had the last four to five years. That's a good line.
And part of my plan to keep my sanity is to stay active, keep laughing, and to do the things that fill my cup so that I can pour out into my two precious boys. And your podcast is going to be a big part of that. I just want you to know that I'm so grateful for the work that you do and I'm looking forward to spending another year listening. Thank you in advance for helping me get through this year as well. Your friend Taylor in Virginia Beach. And her photo, so cute cat, I'm going to show you the picture of them.
That's her and her husband and her two boys? Aren't they so cute? So Taylor, thank you for that. And I know that we will be and other listeners hearing your story. They're praying for you this year for that strength and you are resilient and you will get through this year. And I know what it's like to have a husband gone while I never had to deal with a year-long deployment. Thank God. I had a lot of friends that did. And I honestly would look at them and think, how do you all do this? Like I would deal with
60 90 day deployments with the Air Force, but some of my army wife friends, they were dealing with year, year and a half. And yeah, I was in awe of them and Taylor were in awe of you. And I know that your words, I chose to read your email and I asked her permission, of course, because there's some sensitive information here, but she said, yeah, read it all.
I know that your words are going to encourage somebody else who's going through a tough season to know that they can make it out on the other side and that they actually won't be scared of the tough seasons because they know of how it's going to mold them and shape them into who they are meant to be. And that down the line, they may not be scared of them because they'll know they'll potentially even thrive.
in those difficult seasons and moments. So just wanted to read that because it was so encouraging. And I know she's going to be listening to us this year, and Kat and I are getting closer and closer to being able to tell y'all what we're cooking, as the kids say. Is that a thing? Well, they say, let me cook.
Like when you're working on something, you can eat too. Okay. She ate, she cooked. Oh, let me cook. Okay. Which I don't know if they're still saying that, by the way. But I know there was a season where my kids would be saying, let me cook, mom. Well, we're cooking. Yeah. Okay. Got it.
We're quite not literally cooking up something, but we are cooking up something. So we are close to sharing what that is. And I sort of have been doing a little sample trial case study of sorts. Oh, okay. Like I am.
I have sent it to certain listeners, like what we're up to, to see what they think, because I would like feedback. And I'm not, I haven't, it's just random how I've come across. It's more of, if I'm engaging with someone about something and I'm like, oh, this might be good to ask for part of my case study. It's not really a case study, but just collecting information, getting feedback to see, are we on the right path? Is this going to be something? How do you feel about it? Be honest, you know, hopefully,
They're being honest. So far, so far, so far. Good feedback. Good feedback. There's excitement. There's buzz. I think it could be good. I know I personally am so excited and we're less than a month away. For sure. Less than a month away. I've given myself a deadline because otherwise it'll never happen.
Well, that's not true. You know that it's happened because you've seen the progress. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Even here at my house, like we're putting stuff together. These kinds of things always take longer than they feel like they shouldn't are head though. Yeah. And I'm trying to be realistic about it. But also I was waiting to finalize some stuff with my job and what I do. And it wasn't all up to you. The bigger umbrella of what it is. So yeah, it's not just been totally up to me.
but we are getting closer and it makes me think of Taylor's year. Gosh, I hope for her sake, time flies, but also I want time to slow down because I feel like life really is going by so quickly. It's like that Kenny Chesney song, like, don't blink. Just like that. Don't blink.
That's all I know. I know. I was going to try to sing more too, and I can't think of anything accurate. I have some lyrics in my head, but no, they're not right. Just like that, your six-year-old is swinging a bat. It's always going to say, you're going to take a lap like in a car, meaning now they're 16.
But it's definitely not it. Anyway, time flies. Time flies. So Taylor, for you, we hope it really, really flies. We're going to be here with you, though, hopefully with some fresh new content-ish in a new vibe packaged. Be branded and- And as y'all can tell right now, it's going to be riveting.
We have all the words to describe it. We have everything laid out. There's a whole description, a lot of adjectives. We're really good at clickbait and all of that.
Yeah, we need to actually sit down and do some stuff, but we've been worrying about some other things that take priority, like which rug. And curtains and sound panels and different things. So I'm very, very excited about what is to come and Taylor, I hope what we do have a cooking keeps you company. And I know, again, like I said, your words are going to be so encouraging to other listeners and
If y'all have updates, send them four things with Amy Brown at gmail.com for no. Okay. So we read the listener email and now I have audio from Kate Winslet. It's not audio. She recorded for us, but it's something that she did for bizarre because everybody was like, oh, she must have sent that to you. She did it for Harper's Bazaar. Really nice. And I really like what she's saying. And maybe it's because of in my no botox era, but here's what she had to say.
There are several things I've learned, and that is that number one, women get more beautiful as they get older, for sure, because our faces become more a part of who we are. They sit better on our bone structure. They have more life. They have more history. Things that I find incredibly beautiful are wrinkles around the eyes, the backs of hands. I think those things are very beautiful.
Okay, so right now the wrinkles are on the eyes. I can get behind. I still don't want my hand stage, which I have embraced. And I've told the story before, like I look down and I see my mom's hands and my mom's not here anymore. So I'm like, oh, it's my mom. But then I'm also like, oh, it's my mom. But. Oh, I'm going to still put my skincare on the back of my hands. Do you do that? What? Yes. Everything you put on your face, you need to put on your neck, you're chesting the backs of your hands. I never thought to do that. When you're done applying it to your face and your neck, at least.
and hopefully your chest. You should not do my chest. Okay. Take it from a 44 year old start now. I don't think I started my chest until the last few years and I wish I would have started in my 20s. But here we are and I take whatever product, fine. If you're just doing your face cat, you do it on there and then boop.
Just instead of wiping it on a towel or anywhere else, just put on the back of your hands. I've never thought to put skincare on my hands. I don't even really wear lotion on my hands. We're still young. You know, driving gloves are kind of a thing to protect your hands. Okay. I'm not ready for the gloves. I do wonder, because you know, you hear that like the when you get your nails done, that's bad for your hands. They're like UV the lamp. So should I wear gloves when I do my nails?
I have no idea. How are you going to wear gloves when you do nails? They have the fingerless gloves. You're just going to cover the top part of your hand and then you put it in the lamp so then it's kind of like a tanning bed. You know that you can get skin cancer in your fingernail bed. I don't want to talk about this anymore.
Okay, when you go to the dermatologist, you're supposed to go with no fingernail polish or toe nail polish. That way they can. If you're doing a full body checkup, like you're yearly. I haven't been to the dermatologist since high school or college. What? You keep reminding me to go and I'm like, oh, I'm going to go. But I actually am going to do a lot of doctor's appointments that I'm not used to doing. I do like my yearly physical and stuff like that.
Now that I have better insurance because I finally have like an actual insurance plan versus like one I had to buy for myself because I'm self-employed Okay, so I get better benefits gotcha I mean that makes sense and I know that going to the dermatologist is a privilege It's not something that's people are used to going to or that is often covered. I mean I could have gone I just never thought okay
I'm making excuses. But thank you for making excuses. But also, there's some people that are like, well, I wish I could go. Yeah. And that's a whole nother thing. In America, we got to figure out. So put the lotion on your hands. Put the lotion on your hands and ask me how my face fitness is going. How's it going?
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Could you see, could you notice? I don't know, I noticed right away and I like the 10 minutes that I'm doing. It's very therapeutic, it's relaxing. I've learned that relaxing the muscles in the neck is very important for your face.
But you wouldn't think, but if these muscles are tight, that's what pulls down, and that starts to pull your face down. So if you release and relax the muscles and the neck and the shoulders. Well, yeah, but you've got to massage it out. I can't remember the name of this muscle, but you have one on the right side and the left side, pair of muscle. Got it. Centrality preference muscle. You massage that, and it's actually quite painful.
They say it'll get easier, but mine is sort of really tight and embedded into my neck. But if I squeeze it, it gets loose and it feels better, but that hopefully is releasing some of the muscles and relaxing some of the muscles in my face as well. I don't know that I see anything, but I feel better. I feel relaxed, like I look forward to doing in the morning and sometimes even do a nighttime routine. And I found all of these women on YouTube
There's all these free videos. Like, I was gonna subscribe to some of this stuff and I'm like, look at all this content out here. It's so great. A lot of them are in Japanese. So you just follow what they're doing.
Yeah, but I'm thinking, if I do this a lot by the end of it, I might know certain words in Japanese, like Nick. Face knows. Do you know any of them now? Not yet. Okay. But I'm saying if I'm consistent because I'm reading the subtitles. Oh, yeah, yeah. And then I'm listening to what they're saying. And if I hear it enough, you might just accidentally pick up a language. Yes. A very difficult language. This could be my
Superpower one day if we need Japanese you never know like in a time of crisis it'd be like who speaks Japanese You're on a plane you're on a plane. There's emergency and they're like Help does anybody speak Japanese and you're like
I know forehead massage. If you jump up and you literally are like, I know forehead. I know relax. I know lips, jowl, jawline, ears. There are so many pressure points in the ears that help. I see this being really helpful for you. I know lymph nodes. You know what you will know. You don't know it.
You're acting like you are. Future me won't know. Like if there's ever a situation where I need to relax some Japanese, I might know it because I'm doing so many of these videos. And I gotta say they are so, I'm not kidding. I'm gonna send you one and you're gonna do it. Do it at night before bed. Did you do it? Did you do the five minute one or the ten minute one?
Well, I didn't do it. You didn't even open it. You say it was a weekend and I said, well, I think I asked you to send it to me and then I think I had to get ready to go so I'd have time and I was like, oh, I'll do it later. And I never did it. So I don't know if it's five or 10, but knowing me, if I want to start it, I need the five minute. I do skincare, but I just rub it on my face and go on.
I have the time and definitely in the morning, I have the time to do that. You should do it. I've been listening to an audiobook though, so I don't want to have to. What are you listening to? Because I'm listening to November 9th, so what are you listening to? Okay, so I never thought this would be me. You would actually like this because you were a Hunger Games girl, weren't you? I was. I'm listening to fourth wing. Have you heard about it? No, but I am very interested. Is this something that's popular right now? Yes.
How do I not know about it? I didn't know about it until two weeks ago, and a couple of people I work with recommended the book. I didn't think anything of it, didn't really read what it was about, downloaded it, started listening to it, and then I was like, wait, this book about dragons. I do not want to listen to this anymore. So I texted my friends and was like, why did you not tell me this is about dragons? This is not my cup of tea. However, they encouraged me to just stay with it. It is very similar type vibe of Hunger Games. There's just dragons involved.
And it's not weird. I mean, it is weird, but it's like fun. Hunger Games is a little weird. I mean, kids are like fighting for their lives. Well, similar. Kind of odd. This is a little similar. And I mean, my November 9th book, I'm really liking, but they've gotten a little older as the book progresses, but in the beginning, they're 18.
You're not like relating. And they're having like a love scene. I don't like hearing. Oh, that also. They're 18. And I'm like, no, no, no, no, no, no. I have a daughter that's 17. I'm not listening to this. Well, this book had, I was very shocked by it. They had a love scene in there too. And it was audiobook, so it makes it even weirder. It was like 20. I had it as fast forward. It was like dragons. It was humans. There could be a future dragon. Wait, the dragons did. Procreate?
They didn't procreate in the book, but there was mention of them. I can't explain it because it just sounds weird when I say it because I'm talking about dragons, but they have some alone time and you get connected to a dragon. So like you feel the feelings of your dragon. So then they started feeling the feelings of their dragons. I'm not giving this book a good explanation. It is really good and I'm hooked. And there's I think three books and the third one just came out and it sold out immediately.
So people are loving it. Okay, the fourth wing is a adult high romance fantasy or romanticity about drugs. Seeing adult high romance fantasy. Okay, this audiobook is like 27 hours long. I probably got through 17 hours before there was any romance scene.
So it's not a big part of the book. It's just there is a heavy storyline of a romance. But that makes me like the book.
You know? Okay. I'm trying to see if mine's a romance to see. Mine's a novel. Well, you know what? That's different than what SMUT is. Do you know what SMUT is? That's like a romance book that is heavy on the romance. Writing. I can say romance. But what does SMUT stand for? It's got to mean something. SMUT meaning, SMUT book meaning. A SMUT book is a book that contains explicit and graphic
Content. Apparently, whatever the dragon was doing. The term smut can also be used to describe other media that can take, oh yeah, okay, I've heard of smut used in that way, but I guess I just wasn't thinking about a smut book. But this is not a smut book. This just has a love scene in it. Yeah, proclaim that from the time. This is not a smut book. It's a sexual fantasy book about dragons. I just want to clarify.
I just want to clarify that it took at least 13 hours before Okay, it's good I think you would like it and I bet people listening a lot of them have read it and they probably want you to Listen to it and give it a chance to if you like hunger games. I just feel like you would enjoy it If you like centrality preference
Around dragons. You like this book. Okay, Kat, you're funny. Well, I recommend November 9th, except for It's a Little Weird that they're 18. It's a calling Hoover book. Oh, we haven't talked about this. Well, I don't really know what to say. Did she see Candace Owen's whole thing? Yes, I watched every second. Oh, I didn't. I just saw her talking about it and was like, she's talking about this. This must like,
Well, and she read the entire legal report. She did? Yes, because that's what she does. Like she can understand all of that. And she said, let me tell you, I mean, and she gave very strong opinions. She was very clear to or wise, I guess, to make known that this is her own opinion.
Correct. I mean, but in a way, she's saying what I'm saying is facts because I just read it. She's like, this is my opinion, legal, based in facts. I mean, I believe what she was saying. So I was very impressed with her breakdown and what was her like overarching that Ryan Reynolds is behind all of this and he's having a mental breakdown.
Oh. That Blake developed feelings for- How do people know that though? Because she read through all the trends, she read through everything. And she's like, it's obvious to me that there was feelings, text messages, different other- Leah, yes. Oh. I don't know how many pages this are legal or what all it is, like 90 pages or something. And a lot of jargon that maybe us common folk don't understand.
But she broke it down, and I will say that I believe her. What she was saying seems to be accurate, but I'm not going to put all my eggs in one basket because I believed a lot of different people throughout this process. And she even called that out, too, of if you're going to have strong opinions about something and you haven't read the entire thing, then don't say it on the internet.
Yeah, shame on some of you that have spoken out about this in such a confident way, and you don't know all of the details. And while she doesn't know them personally in what's going on, she just is able to form a very educated opinion based on what she has read. And in a nutshell, to answer your question of what she was saying is that Blake, and what's his face? Justin Belldoni. Justin.
There was feelings there, and Ryan got wind of it somehow, learned of it, and has taken control of this, thinking that he had the power to make Justin just disappear out of Hollywood.
And that's not happening. And now she's like, why is she saying he's having a mental break? Is that if he knows what's in these papers? So it's like, if you're a rational thinking person and you know you have taken this too far, then you likely just stop.
and you own whatever. And you're like, you know what? This is what happened. Here's where we are now. But because there's she said, if they go to court, there is no way that they will win. There is just absolutely no way. And that it's it's she called it. There's an abuse word, but like a legal abuse. And now, gosh, I want to get the word accurate, but I didn't even know we were going to be talking about this. So I didn't even bring it up. But
What he is doing, if her theory is correct, what he is putting Blake through with this is... He's putting everybody through too. It's really, really sad. And I thought it was kind of funny that she tagged him in the video.
Oh, Ryan Reynolds, which is not going to help. If he is having a mental breakdown, that's not going to help. Yeah, I don't think she here. I mean, whatever. He's probably tagged in like tons of things. Yeah, he's probably not looking at it. Hopefully he's not looking at all that stuff. It's just that whole situation, I think you saying sad. It is sad. It's sad from the beginning of this, that movie, you read that book, right? Yes, I read the book, loved it, saw the movie, loved it. I know the movie was fine.
Yeah, I mean, I didn't love it as much as the book, but I mean, all this craziness. So, I mean, I thought they did a good job. Well, the craziness started with a premiere of the movie, but yeah, I tried to like just put that in my mind because that book was so good and it had the potential to be such an important, I think, piece for so many people because even reading it, I mean, I was like a ball of tears reading that and it's based off of, I want to say that's based off of Colin Hoover's mom's life or something.
similar, like loosely based on. But it just is sad that like something that could have been so hopeful and helpful and meaningful to so many people. Now everybody's just going to remember it as this.
And if it really is based in what, I guess, Candace Owens is saying, that's even sad or that it's all trying to cover up. What about the next book that begins with us? They're never going to make that movie. You really think? I don't know. Because Justin owns the rights to it. Justin's character wouldn't be really in the second. I didn't read the second book.
remember how we were thinking like he was such a dirt bag for a little bit well i had a hard time with that though remember because i love him like i've been a fan of what did you think of his 27 minute proposal video or whatever he did for his wife that was weird but some people like that kind of stuff i thought that was weird but i i loved his book man enough i listened to his podcast he was on unique therapy and he was
I don't know why he agreed to be. I mean, I shouldn't say that because it's kind of putting myself down, but he's way bigger than my podcast was. And he came on my podcast to talk about that book was so gracious, was so kind. You could tell he cared about that content. So when I heard about this, I was like, Oh, no, I like want to believe the best in him, but I also can't just be blinded by the fact that I've been a fan of his. So I was upset when that first stuff came out of like, Oh, maybe I read this all wrong.
I don't know. I feel like I shouldn't even be saying anything on it because I really don't even know what the facts are and I haven't read those documents. Probably understand them. Candace referred to Ryan as terrifying, unhinged, the true villain. I don't know. It's not just the way she put it. I was like, okay, someone even commented. I went to the Instagram post and said, well, first of all, her caption for her video was Ryan Reynolds is terrifying. Here is how it will end.
And she gave her theory on how it's going to unfold. And then someone commented, I literally could care less about anyone in Hollywood. The Candace starts talking about somebody and I'm all like, what? She does have a lot of conviction in the way she talks. I guess I'm surely this is going to be, well, my thought is Justin isn't going to want to settle this. This is, I know nothing about law. So take this with a grain of salt. I guess my normal person thought would be
If I was Justin, I wouldn't want to settle this out of court because I would want to clear my name. But if I was Blake or Ryan, I would be like, let's clean this up now because I don't want people to. Well, apparently Justin's team, they're ready to put up an entire website with all the facts. Oh, my God. So that people can just go to the website and read it all. Okay. And like here, yeah, facts, no printer. That's another thing the kids say apparently.
You just thought of that, and I was like, that's kind of like, you know, it's like witty. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. All that snow printer. Wow. So yeah, how did we start talking about that? How did we get on that, Justin? Oh, books. Calling Hoover. Calling Hoover, yes, because I'm reading or listening to November 9th. And I just, I really love the concept of this book so much. What is the concept? 18-year-olds? I just don't like that they're 18. But what is it about? I wish they were like 30.
Well, I'm too nervous to tell, because what if I give away? You're not going to give away. You might get shamed, but there's dragons involved. In a nutshell, there's a couple. Hold on. I don't understand why you can't. Because I was on the Bobby Boncho. I am known to ruin things. Okay. Well, what is the back of the book say?
Well, okay, let me just pull it up. Well, it's an audio. An audio, which I don't understand why you could just be like, it's a love story about a couple that met in high school. It's a love story. Okay, they met. They were strangers, but how they met is super cute in a restaurant and she is insecure. You'll learn in the book. Why if you listen to it? But she was a beautiful girl that was an actress and an accident happened and she suddenly really insecure. Well, he's someone that like sees her for her and she need to stop.
Oh, gosh. So then he's a writer, but he's 18. I'm like, he's 18, but he's a published writer. No, he's not published. Okay. Yeah, but he ends up getting anyway. I don't know. I don't want to say too much. Okay. Let me see.
Where does it say what I can say? You saying whatever comes into your head backfire. I'm gonna go to Amazon. I think that gives enough about the summary of the book. It's a love story. Okay. Fallon meets Ben, an aspiring novelist the day before her scheduled cross-country move. Their untimely attraction leads to them spending Fallon's last day in LA together. And her eventful life becomes the creative inspiration Ben has always sought for his novel.
And then they have this really good novel idea. So that was November 9th. And then they only meet up with each other every November 9th. So like a year passes by, but you don't have to listen to a bunch of stuff in the ear. It'll be like next November 9th. And then you're drawing into what happens that day. And they're supposed to meet up. They don't have each other's phone numbers, emails, nothing. They just have to meet at the same place, November 9th. And every November 9th, you're like, are they going to meet?
Is one of them going to show? Wait, that's the but not show. It's just one day each year. That's crazy. Authors just are so crazy to me. The way that they can formulate a story around that. I have another bookwreck that doesn't have dragons in it called Daisy Darker. And it's a murder mystery. It's all going to say the ending blew my mind, blew my mind. I don't understand how a writer can do it. Like it's a talent and a skill. I'm afraid I'll never have.
But don't you want to write a book? I can't write a story like this. That might not a novel. Yeah. Like you would write a real. I'm not creative enough and I it's just nonfiction self help type. I don't know. I don't know. I don't like the term self help, I guess. Informative.
Do you know, I saw Glennon Doyle, this is like just a clip on Instagram that she must have been on somebody's podcast and she said this, but it just stuck with me about how oftentimes men will write books and it's always put in the leadership section and then women write books and it's automatically put in the self-help section because men are leaders and women need help.
You know, wait, that tracks you know. We're like this problem that needs to be fixed and men just need to be like in charge up. Yeah, right. Well, I'm definitely not going to write a leadership book, but now that now I kind of want to. Now you need to write something and just be like, I'm writing this and it's not going to be put in self help. Thank you. And it goes in the leadership section. Yeah, like nobody needs to be fixed here.
Is that the title? That's a write that down. Write that down. Well, I'm not me. I'm not going to write it. Nobody needs to be fixed here, except for maybe Ryan Reynolds. Apparently he's spiraling. He has some stuff going on. I'm intrigued to see what happens with all that.
I know, but I mean, I'm thinking like there's kids, like you're spiraling and we're not considering like all the different variables and people that are impacted by this. And then Justin has a wife and kids. Yeah, like just this is just like, how did we get out of control? Wild times. All right. Well, well times. Okay, Kat, where can people find you on Instagram at Kat Vamvirin and I'm at radio Amy. And we hope that you are having the day you need to have. Bye.
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