Episode 401: Dr. Mark Hyman: Why Only 6.8% of Americans are Healthy + His Recommended Anti-Aging Solutions

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You guys, this is a big treat for me. I wasn't just saying that on the story, the Instagram story. We have Dr. Mark Hyman on the podcast today. And guys, I'm sure you know who he is. He's probably the most famous doctor. I think I know. I've known about you for 100 years. At least 100. He's written 18 New York Times, 19, 19 New York Times best-selling books. He is an MD and a functional medicine doctor, right?

Same thing. Yeah. Same thing. Well, I mean, it's you have the both you have the Eastern and the Western. Well, functional medicine is fully Western. It's fully science based. It's not, you know, acupuncture. And are you made a, you can explain that if you want to explain it because people always are

I know it's maybe changed a little bit in terms of the perception, but like people are like, oh, I'm an MD or whatever I am. But I want to go on about all your accolades. The biggest, by the way, is he walked in, he looks like he's like 30 years younger than he actually is. So everything you're doing, I need to know about it.

It is unbelievable. He's like a fountain wealth of information. So I don't even know where to begin, except for what are you doing every day to look this good, this young? You are a walking longevity poster child. He'll be 113 next week. No, no, but do you mind saying how old you are? No, it would be 65 in a month. Yeah.

And do you feel like you are aging backwards? I am actually, I just in the last two years, I did my biological age test, which is measuring your DNA methylation, which looks at your epigenetics, which is how your genes are controlled and are influenced by your environment and your lifestyle.

to highly-modifiable. You can't change how old I am on the birthday calendar, but I can change what's going on under the skin. When I was 62, I did my biological test, and I was 43, which I thought was pretty good. Then I did a whole bunch of things over the last few years. I wrote a book called Young Forever.

which helped me actually get deeper into the science of longevity, and I implemented a whole bunch of treatments, and I redid the test at 64, and I went backwards four years, so now I'm 39 biologically.

Are you kidding me? Oh my God, so like Brian Johnson has nothing on you, right? Well, I got a bigger spread in my age, but he's younger, so I don't know. Well, yeah, that's my whole point. That's a massive difference. So what did you do different in those few years?

Well, I ramped up my strength training, my protein intake. I increased my intake of a number of compounds that have been well researched around longevity, like uralithin A and NMN, and I did also a whole bunch of senolytic herbs and treatments like visetin. I also started to do various treatments like clathin fresis. I started rapamycin. I did a whole bunch of things that

I think are still in the research phase. I'm my own getting pig. I don't necessarily recommend it to all my patients, everybody just to try it. But I'm always willing to sort of put myself out there and see what happens. So I was like, that was pretty good.

Wow. Okay. So you said a bunch of things. So you're, you're a litany. I was told by them actually that it actually helps to build muscle after 30. Is that true? Yeah. So yeah. So, you know, it's, it's fascinating story. You know, we're backing up a little bit, you know, you know, as they begin to dive into the research around longevity. Mm hmm.

It was really clear to me that there was a biological system that we all have that's all built in from basically worms and yeast organisms all the way to humans that are conserved, that are survival pathways, that are pathways designed to heal, regenerate, repair, renew, and upgrade our biology.

So whenever we had stresses and we were starving, when we didn't have enough food or too much of this for that, our bodies learned how to adapt in a way that made us stronger. And so I called these the longevity switches. And only recently have been mapped out and how they interact has been mapped out and what affects them has been mapped out. And they're part of what we call the hallmarks of aging, which are these fundamental things that go wrong as we get older, then underlie all disease.

So, if I said, one of the biggest killers in the world would say, oh yeah, heart disease and cancer. And I said, well, if I had a magic wand, I could just get rid of heart disease and cancer from the face of the planet. How much longer would we live? Well, probably only five to seven years longer. But if we address the root causes of aging itself, which is not a

normal phenomena. Like the process of getting older, we can't tell you about on the clock, right? I was born a certain date. I'm getting older every year. But the biological process of aging in the way we experience it in the West is not normal.

You see people who are 100 years old who are riding horses or hiking mountains, running races, these are outliers. But no, they are people who actually are taking advantage of things because of what they've learned in their lifestyle to actually activate these longevity pathways. So we see people become decrepit, frail, diseased. People spend the last 20% of their life in poor health, their health span is shorter than the lifespan.

Meaning they are okay for a bunch of their life and then they get sick and the last 20% of their life are spent with chronic disease, which is affecting so many people now. When you address these hallmarks of aging, these fundamental mechanisms that we can talk about, you actually can extend life by 20 or 30 years. So for me, that would be maybe getting to 110 or 120.

We're now discovering what those are. There's been billions of dollars now spent on aging and longevity research. It was a neglected science. It wasn't even something that people thought of studying. It wasn't considered a problem, but it is. The decline, the prepitude, disease, frailty that happens as we get older is not an edible part of aging. It's a consequence of bad inputs that cause our biology to malfunction.

that we think is normal. So just at a high level, these longevity switches are part of these hallmarks of aging. And one of the key pathways is we call an longevity set of hallmarks of aging is deregulated nutrient sensing, which is a big mouthful, but essentially it means how our bodies regulate different phenomena that have to do with what we're eating, right? So inflammation and some resistance, muscle building, autophagy or cell cleanup,

antioxidant pathways, DNA repair pathways. So there's all these incredible longevity switches. There's four of them. And one has to do with insulin signaling and blood sugar. One has to do with mTOR, which has to do with basically building muscle or inducing autophagy, which is clean cellular cleanup. One has to do with AMPK, which is also about blood sugar, sirtuins. These are things that are now well studied. And so a lot of the interventions that I did were to regulate these longevity switches in a scientific way.

Now, back into your question, urethane is a molecule that works on these longevity switches. This is mind-blowing. When you think about nature and how we evolved, how does a molecule from a plant, like a pomegranate,

end up changing our biology in a way that actually makes us live longer, that reduces inflammation, that builds muscle, that increases our exercise performance, that increases our VO2 max, that helps reduce muscle loss, that has all these incredible benefits. How does that know what to do? What happens when you eat pomegranate or similar plants like berries, they have something called a lagic acid. And when you have a healthy microbiome, which most of us don't,

That becomes converted by healthy bacteria into a molecule called uralithinate. Now, most of us don't do that because we even if we eat pomegranate, we have a messed up microbiome because I did a talk the other day with 1000 people and I asked everybody to raise their hand if they'd never taken antibiotics. It wasn't a single person that raised their hand. Everybody everybody's taken any body at some point somehow.

And so when you destroy your microbiome, because you take an antibiotic or you affect it, then you can't make it. So if you take this as a supplement, it induces mitophagy, which is cleaning up of your mitochondria that make energy, it reduces inflammation, it helps build muscle, it inhibits mTOR, which uses autophagy. So it has all these incredible benefits.

But is there things we can do without supplementing? I know you wrote a book about food for medicine and all these things. Like if we just eat a bunch of pomegranates, I know that's not going to be the answer. But at the core root, you said something and I was going to even ask you about it. It was at the root cause of a lot of problems. I was under the impression is inflammation, right? For sure.

And so what can people do who don't have access to supplements, who don't have access to all the fancy ladies and greatest, what are like easy strategies? Let's just say like simple things that people can do to help reduce their inflammation.

That's a great question. So as a functional medicine doctor, which we can talk about what that is, but essentially by looking at root causes, it's like the science of creating health is asking why, why do you have this problem, not what disease do you have and what drug do I give? It's understanding the body, the network is a system and restoring the ecosystem of your body to be healthy. And we go to doctors for every different part of our body, every organ has a different doctor, right? Exactly. But they're all connected. Your body is one system.

And so functional medicine is really systems medicine and it's a way of thinking. It's not a particular specialty or modality or treatment. It can be anything from, you know, exercise to exorcism, whatever their treatment works for the patient. I'm going to use it. So in functional medicine, the framework really that we use is looking at these fundamental systems that go wrong. And one of them is our immune system. And inflammation is really the underlying biology of almost all chronic diseases and most diseases.

including obesity, diabetes, heart disease, cancer, dementia, autism, depression, non-immune disease, allergies, gut issues, I mean, the list of skin problems, that's all inflammation. So the question is, you know, what's causing inflammation? That's really what functional medicine does. It gets to the wife, to what's the cause. And, you know, the big cause for most of us is really our diet and our gut microbiome. It's got a rye and environmental toxins. So those are the big three. Right.

toxins are harder to deal with. You can really address your gut microbiome. And the diet is the biggest factor. And so I am practicing functional medicine for almost 30 plus years now, more than 30 years, I guess. I really come to understand that if you do a short-term reset with an elimination diet, an anti-inflammatory diet that supports your microbiome, that lowers your blood sugar, that gets rid of all the extra inflammation in your body, that so many things get better. So I wrote a book 10 years ago called the 10-D detox diet.

Do you remember all the titles? No, no, barely. And essentially it grew out of my experience with my patients where I was treating people with complex chronic illness and it was trying to get them to reset their body to the original factory settings. See, if we clean up their diet and took away every possible thing that could be driving inflammation, what would happen and how fast would they get better?

And so it was so profound in the results that I just, I wrote a book about it so that everybody could access it. Yeah. And actually it's fine. And in January this year, we're launching a online program to help people do this together in community called attendee detox. And, and you can go to drheimen.com to learn more about it. But basically what, what this is, is eliminating the foods that, that are the most inflammatory, so ultra processed food.

which was 60% of our diet, which is not really food by definition. It's just science projects, sugar and starch, which are really the drivers of so much inflammation in our body, gluten and dairy, which are the other two big factors. And also, we get rid of grains and beans, not that they're bad, but for some people, they create inflammation, and it's like just trying to get everything off, rather than just doing incrementally. Do you want it at a time or everything together?

Everything together because, you know, people do all I'm just going to like do one thing and then see what's happening to do nothing. But if you have three or five things that are bothering you to take out one or two, you're not going to feel better. Right. Right. There's a rule of functional medicine called the TAC rules by my mentor, Sidney Baker, basically, you're standing on a tack. It takes a lot of action to make it feel better. So take out the tack, get rid of the cause.

And you're staying on two-tax taking one of them out doesn't make you 50% better. If you're allergic to gluten and dairy, or you have sensitive to gluten and dairy, and you take out gluten, you're not going to get 50% better because you're still reacting to dairy. So this diet is really a way to reset everything.

It was basically protein, veggies, lots of good fats, nuts and seeds, berries, whole foods, delicious, non deprivation diet, not a cow restriction diet. You can use as much as you want. And what happens is in 10 days is remarkable. In terms of inflammation, not only do people lose a ton of fluid and weight inflammation, but they have a reduction in all symptoms from all diseases by between 60 and 70%. Whether it's a migraine or a little bowel or depression or joint pain or headaches or whatever it is,

congestion, sinus issues, it's remarkable how fast it works to just get inflammation out of your system. So you can just do this food base and after 10 days, you'll know. Now, if you don't get better, there's something else going on. You could have Lyme disease, you could have mold exposure, you could have metal toxicity, you could have severe gut issues that need to be treated more directly. But most people will get a significant improvement.

So what are the eating instead? If they're taking out, that's like everything. If you're not eating. No, everything. No, you're drinking water. Oh, you eat what? Basically, you ask how I'm like, look what I look like. I guess what you eat every day in the morning. What are you eating? In the morning of a protein shake, usually after a workout, when you put in the protein shake.

Well, I use Goat Way, which is dairy, but it's a very low inflammation type of dairy. But you can use other forms. Goat Way. Where do you get this from? Amazon. Really? Yeah, Virginia really raised Goat Way. There's Mount Capra that they could go. There's a lot of brands out there. And what's the benefit of Goat Way versus

regular way. Regular way is usually factory farm cows, which is just criminal. Two, it's got lots of hormones and antibiotics pesticides that use in the growing of it. Three, it's coming from cows that are more modern cows that are hybridized to produce a certain type of casein in the milk, which is A1 casein that's very inflammatory.

So, ghosts have a 2K scene, so the sheep, less inflammatory and better tolerated. So, that's what I... But then you don't have to have dairy. You could make it with nuts and seeds and... Well, wait, hold on. Let's still make questions. I mean, there's so much information. Okay. So, goat way. How about, like, what would you say compared that to, let's say, almond milk or... Yeah. You know, calcium milk, alternative milk. So, those are really just not high protein.

The protein is key. As you get older, you need about a gram per pound of ideal body weight, which is a lot more than people are eating. The RDA, the recommended dietary allowance is 0.8 grams per kilo, enough per pound.

Oh, wow. Yeah. Right. So far less. Now you have to understand how they came up with these guidelines. These guidelines are designed to prevent a deficiency disease. So how do you not get protein deficiency? You don't need that much. How much you need for optimal health? Very different number. Right. How much vitamin D do you need to not get Ricketts? Not much, 30 units. Ricketts is when your bones bend and you get, you know, which is vitamin D deficiency. Yeah.

How much vitamin you need to not get osteoporosis or the bistral germany system or not get COVID or the flu? Probably four to five thousand over a hundred times that dose. So the deficiency numbers for the recommended dietary intake are based on deficiency disease. How much vitamin C do you need to not get scurvy? Not what you need for optimal health.

Optimization and deficiency is very different. And so protein is really key. And you need bioavailable protein, especially as you get older. You need a certain amount of amino acid that stimulates one of the longevity switches called mTOR to make muscle. Muscle is a currency of longevity.

Without muscle, you become frail and weak and disabled. The reason people end up in nursing homes is not because they're sick. It's because they can't have their shoes or get up out of a chair or get up out of bed. It's because they've lost muscle. If you don't do anything, you will lose muscle steadily and progressively every year, starting in your 30s. You've got to get on it. And strength training and protein is the magic sauce.

So you gotta do that. Yeah, you gotta do that. That's my breakfast. Well, what do you think in it? You're putting... I put in my whey protein. I put in a mitochondria, actually, the purelithin A. Okay. I'll put in creatine, which helps do a muscle. I also put in, you know, a note like macadamia milk I like to put in berries and then blend it up.

Every day. Every day. Dewey bags. For example, I'm traveling all the day. I'm late or I'll have eggs. That'll be my breakfast. I'll have more other proteins in the morning. Then lunch and dinner can be just tons of veggies and proteins. Lunch, I can make a salad. It's really quick. I can make three meals in half an hour total. I'm busy. I got a lot going on and I like to cook.

So my shade takes me three minutes in the morning. All the ingredients are there in my kitchen. Make it easy. Set it myself up for success. Right. Lunch. I'll get pre-washed arula. I'll get little cherry tomatoes, organic. I'll throw in pumpkin seeds. I'll throw in avocado. I'll throw in olives. I'll throw in a candid wild salmon or mackerel or have sardines as my protein and then pour olive oil, vinegar. And you've got a lot of fat. I call my fat salad.

Yeah. Lots of fat and lots of veggies, different cucumbers, whatever you want in their carrots. And then dinner is usually a piece of protein and, and, uh, regeneratively raised meat. If I can get it bison, elk, venison, or just to regenerate beef, chicken, pasteurice, chicken.

small fish and then usually two or three side dishes of veggies. So my main courses are veggies. It meets a side dish, but it's, it's at least, you know, six ounces to some of the eight ounces of protein. And then the doll have roasted mushrooms. I'll have, you know, usually every day, some form of the cruciferous vegetables, so two or three cups of broccoli or collards or kale or Brussels sprouts. Right. And then usually like a Japanese sweet potato, like a purple sweet potato. I love that. And that's, that's kind of what I eat. And then, you know, a little dark chocolate. If I want something sweet,

But this is if you're like, this is for people who are home 24 hours a day. Most people travel. They're working. Yeah. So I'm traveling. You know, I have, I always care. If you look at my bag, I've got me, I've got enough calories in there. But I don't have to worry about eating anything the rest of the day. I've got academia nuts. I've got, you know, other nuts and seeds in there. So I have basically enough food in my bag. So I don't give the food emergency. So I have to eat crap if I don't want to. Right. And you don't get like that, like feeling of like, yeah,

And then, you know, usually wherever I go, you can order protein and veggies, you know, give me a salad, give me extra veggies, three sides of veggies. Not that hard. You just have to ask. Right. You just have to ask. What about fruit? You didn't mention fruit. The fruit's fine. So it berries in the morning. I'll have fruit and I think fruit can be fine. You know, I think fruit, you know, fruit juice is not good. Yeah. You can eat an apple, but don't have apple juice. Right.

But in terms of like grapes, mangoes, like things are high, high, high. Well, yeah. So if you're eating fruit, you know, it depends on the volume, right? Especially there's like grapes and melons and pineapple and things like that. Bananas are higher, higher glycemic index. You want to be careful with those. You can enjoy them, but don't like pig out. Right.

Well, I ask because, you know, there's a controversy kind of because people like don't eat fruit because it's very high in sugar, obviously. Others are like, you never see a fat person who only eats fruit. But I will say I'm a massive fruit eater. I love fruit. And I do gain weight if I like, I love grapes. I can have five pounds of grapes in two seconds. Right. Well, that's a problem. Right. So it's just a joke with the dots, right?

Yeah, it's all about like how much you're eating of everything, right? Okay. So let's go back then. So that's what you eat every day. That's, that makes sense. Now, what about strain training? You say you're doing it how many times? Cause you're very, very lean and thin.

Well, I mean, I do probably four times a week. I have a routine. I do different bands and I do a whole bunch of different routines. So I travel with it. So when I'm home, I have a gym gym. So I have equipment, I have weights, I have all the stuff. But when I travel, I just bring my bands, which basically takes about a pound, maybe you're less. Right. Takes up this much space. I put in my suitcase and I'll use a door and a floor. So if I can hook the thing to doorknob, I can get resistance. That's what you're doing? Yeah.

How about cardio? There's all this controversy over cardio, especially as we age, right? You know, people say that cardio breaks down muscle mass, right? So as we age, I do believe that cardio is something that we should all be doing. Absolutely. I mean, you can't just pick one form of training. You know, VO2 max is a, is that a really important number. This is a number that measures your mitochondrial function, your mitochondrial, the key to healthy aging, partly why your lip and A works and exercise works and strength training works.

Beotumax is correlated directly with longevity. If you look at your ability to burn oxygen per minute, which is the measure of how they see, if you look at Lance Armstrong, for example, Beotumax in the 90s, he can just go, go, go, like energizer bunny. Whereas the average 30-year-old has a Beotumax in the 30s.

Right, right, right, exactly. My land still has a crazy view. Like he's like 45, even at 65, you can train to get it to go up. And the longer the higher it is, the longer you live. And the order to do that, you need to do cardio and you need to interval training. So you kind of push and stress yourself.

So you can do half an hour or two or three times a week of that. And that'll get you pretty good. You do as fast as you can for 45 seconds per minute, then slow for three minutes. Do it again. You can do it on a treadmill on a bike. It's like sprinting. You know, he's called wind sprints in high school. Right, right, right over that. Okay. So let's just talk about the lot about and we're still on inflammation. Okay. So for inflammation, that make you said all the things about that. Is there anything else we can do? Because like supplements, I know, like, you know, is there a

Let me say, if you take multivitamin, fish on vitamin D, you know, less than a dollar a day, you can do all these things. Yeah, I mean, dollar a day is not nothing, but you know, I think about people spent on their coffee or they're just junk or their Netflix subscription. I mean, like, what do you want to invest in your, you know, invest in your health? You pay narrow pay later.

Well, I think the problem is that right now we're so inundated with information, right? Especially with social media. Everyone talks about this supplement, that supplement, do this, don't do that, do more of that, like, and things ebb and flow and trend, right? So like things that we talked about, remember when carbs was a thing that we should be doing and not eating all this protein?

Are there things that kind of like you've learned in your whole, in your evolution that you're like, wow, this is, I was totally wrong about this. That was completely, this is the way. And what are things like intermittent fasting, for example, like what is your, what's your thoughts on things that are so trendy now that I feel have had a little bit of a backlash to some people?

Well, I think what sells books and what gets people to click on social media is extremes. So you've got carnivores on one side, the vegans on the other side, and it's kind of extreme. And I think I take a more middle of the road position based on the science, which is one, there's certain principles that you follow that allow you to have a wide variety of diets, culturally different diets, personal preference,

differences that you might like, but the principle should be the same. One, food is medicine. So you have to understand every bite you take is information and it's regulating your biology with every single bite and changing your gene expression, your epigenome, your hormones, your brain chemistry, your metabolism, your microbiome, immune system, everything is literally affected in real time, but every single bite of food you have. So the quality of your food matters. Second is, and that food is information and it can upgrade your biology with every bite.

Second is that we should think about nutrition from the perspective of personalized nutrition. Everybody's different. Some people are great on a vegan diet. Some people get really sick on a vegan diet. Some people need more protein, some of them need more fat, some of them need more carbs, and there's no genetics we can do to actually see what people.

do better on or worse on. You will respond better to worse too. And then, thirdly, it's really a simple principle to eat real food. Like, don't eat stuff that's not food. Like, you know, all your processed food is not food. A pop tart is actually not food. It's made from deconstructed science ingredients that have been

process from commodity crops broken down to their chemical individual components. Chemical structures have been changed, so it's not actually even the same molecular structure, and it had reassembled into all sizes, color, shapes of chemically extruded, food-like substances that have nothing to do with nutrition. Don't actually meet the definition of food. If you look at the Webster's definition of food, it's basically something that supports the health and growth of an organism.

Well, these don't, they do the opposite, right? And so technically we're not actually eating food. So eat food. Eat food. I mean, Michael Paul said eat food not too much, mostly plants, you know. Yeah, that's what he, but he says all plants and there are people who think, you know, he didn't say all plants, mostly plants. He said, he said mostly plants. What about microwaving your food?

Is it changes that you're heating stuff up for a few seconds is fine, but if you're cooking food, a micro is bad idea because you get the production of something called ages or advanced location and products. Essentially, it's like think about like a crispy skin on a chicken or creme brulee. This is the proteins and sugars combining in a way that creates a harmful inflammatory compound in the body.

It's a lot of aging is caused by these compounds. Hemoglobin A1C, which is your blood sugar average is an example of one of those, but there's many. They bind to receptors, they activate inflammation, and so they just create this vicious cycle. For sure, don't cook in a microwave. For sure, don't even heat up anything in plastic in a microwave. That's a disaster. You've been putting microwave stuff in plastic with the plastic cover on it. It's like, oh my God.

it's terrible so bad but would you ever microwave your food for like a minute like that's yeah so like I'm lazy and like I'm in a hurry all might like throw a sweet potato in there or something for this that's already cooked I might warm it up or something like that but I got rid of mine thinking that it was like very dangerous. I mean it ideally probably no but like.

So you're not so crazy when we were the other like you are you are you do seem a little bit more like middle of the ground. Yeah, I mean like this is here's the deal. You want to optimize your health. You want to become resilient. You don't want to live in a bubble. Right. You don't want to be a bubble boy. No.

And so there are people who are so fragile. They can't go anywhere. They can't travel. They can't see in a hotel room. There may be people who truly have chemical sensitivities and are that sensitive. And I'm not saying they're crazy and I treat them as patients and you can get them better. But if you're resilient and healthy, your body can handle a lot. So, for example, if you're a diabetic and you have a can of Coke, it'll send you over the limit.

Right. But if you're like someone like me and you work out, you know, five times a week in your strength training, your diet is predominantly like super low sugar and starch. You're in some resistance super dialed in. You have, you know, my insulin levels to my blood sugar is perfect. You know, my A1C is very low. You know, I, I can, you know, have some sweets once in a while. It's not going to kill me.

So you're saying all these numbers, right, which means that you're monitoring all these things and stats. So that tells me that you are a big believer in wearables, right? Like, are you wearing a glucose monitor or are you wearing an or ring or a whoop or what is your test? Don't guess is my motto. I like that. In fact, I co-founded a company called Function Health. Yeah.

to allow people to go deeper. The oral rings are great. CGM's are great. We'll, you know, Apple Watch, but skin deep. They're just skin deep. Yeah. You know, Google sponsors a little better because you got to continue to shoot every glucose, but there's so many other biomarkers. So what I realized was that most doctors aren't checking these things. Most patients don't know what to ask for. Right. If they do, they have to argue with their doctor to order it because they usually don't know what it is. And then they argue with their insurance company to pay for it, which they usually don't.

We co-founded a company called Function Health that allows people for $1.37 a day to get twice a year testing of over 110 biomarkers that gives you a profoundly deep view of your health. That's a lot. It's a bunch of tubes of blood, but basically it's giving you a deep insight in your metabolic health and it's checking things that don't get checked that are the most relevant things.

For example, your metabolic health, people get their cholesterol checked and they just look at the basic numbers. So today I had a patient this morning before I came here who had perfectly normal cholesterol on the regular cholesterol test, but she had severe metabolic dysfunction because she had high number of lipid particles of cholesterol particles and small particles. And so we look at a more advanced cholesterol test to look at the size and number and the quality of your cholesterol, not just the weight. We look at

Let me call Apo B and like protein A, which are really the most important and the most important biomarkers for your risk for heart attack, not the ones you're getting at your doctor's checkup. That's like a 50-year-old test. We're looking at inflammation. We look at autoimmune markers. 30 plus percent of people have an autoimmune biomarker, 13 percent of autoimmune thyroid disease. We have 46 percent with high levels of CVR protein, which is inflammation. We check your immune system, we check your toxin levels of heavy metals like mercury and lead, we check your hormones.

male sex hormone, female sex hormones. We look at your cortisol and we look at your metabolic health, featuring insulin, which, you know, we're working with Quest as our provider of the lab test. So it's not some, you know, it's not some crazy thing. This is like the biggest lab in the country. In the world. So basically, how does it work? That's what I'm curious about. Do you do people walk into a quest?

tell you, yeah, I'll tell you it's pretty easy. I just want to finish with the testing. So we do, we do a nutritional testing, 67% of people have nutritional deficiencies at the minimum level. We're seeing, you know, so much going on in the, in the, in the dysfunctions that are not being looked at. So the, the process is very easy. You just go to function health.com. We're in beta now. So you, with your listeners, we provide it. Yeah.

early access code, which is hustle 100. So thank you. You go to hustle 100, the first 100 listeners to sign up will skip the wait list, which is 300,000 people. Okay, well, listen to that guys. That's very big. So if you guys use a code hustle 100, you skip the 300,000 people guess. Wait, wait list.

And you get you get early access. Yeah. And then you once you sign in, a few minutes question here to sort of get your basic demographics and everything and then you'll get a text from our team. They'll say, okay, you're living this zip code. Your closest lab is a mile away. When do you want your appointment? Okay. Tuesday, okay. I'll go into Tuesday at a clock and you go in.

You show me your little scanning machine, you put your driver license in there, they register your second, you walk in, they draw your blood, 10, 15 minutes, you're out, and then all the data gets loaded up into your dashboard, which is data you own, it's your data, you can track it over time. I mean, it's so frustrating for me as a doctor, because medicine is so analog.

You know, we don't use tech and medicine at all. Like even an electronic medical record is just a paper record in the office. Yeah. And so, you know, if I want to know, okay, let me look at your cholesterol. What was it last year or the year before? And what are the trends? I have to like open a PDF, I have to look at it, try to remember what it said, then come to the new one and look at that one, compare them all on my head or write it down, which takes me time. It's just a pain in the ass. So this is a beautiful dashboard. You can see your trends over time. You get a deep set of insights, but it's not just a data because that

You know, the average person doesn't know what to do with their data, right? Doesn't know the test mean, but we spent, you know, enormous amounts of time sifting through all the scientific literature, bringing knowledge experts in, including me and writing, you know, tens of thousands of pages of content that are then become delivered to you based on your biomarkers. Let's say you have an inflammation and your CRP is like, okay, what does it mean? Why does it matter? Why would it be high? How do you figure it out? What do you do about it? What would you do from a lifestyle person?

from a supplement victim. What do the diagnostic tests might you need? When you need to go to the doctor and what do you need to be informed with to be able to actually be the best advocate for your own health? Because I believe you should be the sea of your own health. Not advocating that to the health care system. My friend Chris Carr had cancer and she's an incredible woman and she was like, she had some really weird, rare cancer and they told her she was going to die and she was like,

Well, that's not okay. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So she sort of said joke that she started a new company called Save My Ask Technologies Inc. You know, like, oh my god, great. Basically, her owning her own health. And that's what we all need to do. And our goal at Function Health is to help people to 100 health years, which I think is achievable for most people. That's amazing.

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So wait, so after you get all the testing and you have the dashboard, do you have someone who helps you kind of understand like, do you get like a doctor signed or you get a definition summary of all your results generated? And then you have the insights that are delivered to you personally, like, what should you be?

What lifestyle changes do you need to make? What toxins do you need to avoid? What do you need in terms of exercise? How do you optimize your microbiome? Do you need to do that? What supplements might be helpful for the particular issue you have? If you're vitamin D's level, how do you know which vitamin D to take? What form of vitamin D? What dose do you take? How do you pick the right supplement? We don't recommend products. We don't selling anything other than the service of owning your own data.

We're not like talking different companies, product stuff. It just provides you the scientific information. Everything's deeply referenced with scientific literature and all the data so you can look at it yourself and then it guides you into a personalized program and then there's an interactive app that we're about to launch which will help support you in implementing the recommendations.

That's amazing, actually. And I can't believe how many biomarkers you're checking for. That's a lot. And then, of course, we already added almost another 200 that if you want to do extra stuff, you can. For example, let's say you have a family history of Alzheimer's. You've got blood biomarkers for Alzheimer's disease, which you don't even need a brain scan for. And you have to wait to have memory issues, but you can actually detect things and then do interventions that will reverse those biomarkers and normalize them.

Wow. We were also measuring cancer screening. We offer one of the biggest providers in the country of something called gallery, which is a multi-cancer detection test using fragments of DNA that come off cancer cells that you can detect in the blood. It's like a liquid biopsy and it picks up about 50 different cancers, 75% of the time it'll detect it.

is only half a percent false positive rate, which is much better than all the current screening tests. In other words, well, I'm going to do this test. Is it going to show positive, but it's really not a cancer. Very rare to have that happen. One in 188 people who we've been testing actually has a cancer we've identified and we've saved people's lives. They didn't even know because we've been picking up early and this text, the text cancer a year to three years before it shows up anywhere else. By the way, just in that alone is worth doing it.

Yeah, I mean, my sister, daddy cancer, my father, daddy cancer, they would have not both had died of cancer if they'd had this test.

So you can pick up cancer, you can pick up potential Alzheimer's. Yeah. And we're doing a whole bunch of stuff on autoimmune testing, on nutritional testing, on toxin testing. We're now able to test things like PFAS, ferric chemicals in your blood, heavy metals, BPA, other chemicals that are... I'm going to get this test. Seriously, I'm going to, by the way, even before you are on this show podcast,

I was told about your program. A few people told me about it because I was told it was way above other programs out there because everyone now is all jumping on these bandwagon, personalize hell, telemedicine, all the things. Yours does sound super extensive. It's because I'm the kind of intel inside.

Well, you know, my background has been, you know, as a doctor at Canyon Ranch, which is a health resort for almost 10 years. And there we did, you know, five to 10,000 dollars for the testing and everybody. Is that how you started? I was, yeah. My joke is I'm a resort doctor because I worked at a health resort and the doctor of last resort.

That's how that's funny. That's how you start. Yeah. And then 20 years ago, I started my own practice after that. And again, I had a clientele who could afford to do deep testing and we've done really extensive testing. And I've seen millions and millions and millions and millions of millions of biomarkers on tens of thousands of people. And so I really understand what's going on in there and things like doctors, we're not checking. And we're always like looking to the future. Like one's a science sake.

Because in the scientific literature, this discovery is getting made. And, you know, for example, we've known about lipoprotein fractionation, which is the test we do at function health for your cholesterol. This is the standard of the care. This should be the state of the art test that everybody gets. It's not expensive, not hard to get. And yet, we ask Quest, how many cholesterol tests that you get are from doctors around the country? Then you're the biggest lab. Yeah. Are for this test. What do they say?

Less than 1%. This test has been around for decades. I've been doing it personally for 30 years. The science is over 40 years old on this. What happens is it takes decades for the science to turn it into clinical practice. That's crazy. It is crazy. My daughter is in medical school now.

She's not learning anything about it in some resistance, nothing about the microbiome, nothing about nutrition, nothing about environmental toxins. These are the things that are causing people to be sex, you know, nothing about how to take care of mitochondrial problems. I mean, it's just, it's astounding to me. Where's she going to medical school? Well, it's a very good medical school.

It's a great medical school and it's pretty much what is going on because we have a pharmaceutical driven healthcare system that is in large part funded by the pharma industry. So a lot of academic centers, they're not getting money from the government. Sometimes they're getting NIH grants, but a lot of their funding comes from pharma that is funding the professors to study a statin or study the ozemic or study.

Is that because a great example, we've got a drug now that's the panacea for weight loss and everybody should be all taking this and they're studying it for everything. So they're studying for depression, for autoimmune disease, for neurodegenerative disease, for obviously heart disease, for obesity, for diabetes, and these pharma companies are just reeking in the money.

And from Novo Nordisk, which is the maker of zenpig and Denmark, is the single biggest contributor to the gross domestic product or GDP of Denmark. That is crazy. And yeah, it's a huge huge and it's like, it's the Eli Lilly, the number one selling drug is one jar. There are billions and billions of dollars a year from these drugs and they're pouring billions into research.

to prove the benefit of these drugs across a wide range of health conditions. They work not because there's some magic to the drug. They work because they give people to listen to weight and the weight loss is what's working. It's like a study that they did on gastric bypass. They said, well, gee, gastric bypass. You can reverse diabetes in two weeks. Someone has a gastric bypass. It's a miracle. Even if they're still overweight and you're still 400 pounds, two weeks later, after you do the surgery, you don't have diabetes anymore and your inflammation goes down and your numbers get better. Well, how does that happen?

Because of the food they're eating, because they don't eat what they were eating. But they did a study where they just, instead of giving them the gastric bypass, they did a randomized trial where they gave half the people a gastric bypass and another matched control group, not the bypass, but just fed them the food as if they would have had the bypass. So on the same diet. Right.

Same result. Same result. No different. So it's not the Mozambic. And so, you know, I was talking to my friend who was the head of cardiology at Harvard. And he's like, I said, you know, why don't you study lifestyle changes in heart disease? Because they work better than the medication. He's just like, hey, no mark. He says, but I can't get $5 to study diet and lifestyle. I can get $150 million from pharma that funds my department, that funds my programs, that funds my fellowship, that funds everything. So I'm going to do that study that they want me to do because, you know, they're paying the bills.

That's how it works. It's super cubbed. That's so crazy to me. And the funny, but not funny at all, is that now you have people who are on these, these, these Olympics and Rigovis who shouldn't be on them. They're like thin people. Yeah. It's like, Oh God. And I see it. It's like, Oh, well, I can tell, you know, they get that. Look, they get that ozemic face. Is that a true thing? Oh, I would say.

Yes, and you lose subcutaneous fat and you lose muscle. And this is a catastrophe because I do not think, personally, I think it's malpractice to prescribe one of these drugs, unless that person has died counseling and understands they need to eat a gram of protein per pound of ideal body weight and they're taught how to do it and that they do it. And two, that they commit strength training at least three times a week because if you don't, what happens is this.

You lose the weight, but up to half of the weight is muscle. Now muscle is your metabolic engine. It burns seven times the calories of fat. And when you lose muscle, your metabolism slows down. So then what happens? Then you stop the drug because it's side effects or you can't afford it forever. And then what happens? You gain back the weight. So let's say you start out and you lose 20 pounds and then you gain back to 20 pounds. When you gain back to 20 pounds,

you're going to gain it back all as fat, which means your metabolism is going to be slower, even at the same weight that you were when you started, which means you need to eat less in order to just stay at that weight. So you will gain more weight even. And it's a disaster. So there's got to be, listen, these drugs like any drug are a tool. A gun is a tool.

go hunt a deer and get dinner, or you can kill somebody. Exactly. I'm not opposed to these drugs. What I'm opposed to is their widespread use is the lack of research on other interventions that worked better. And there's really clear data on this. I mean, Verda Health is a company that a friend of mine started, Sammy.

They basically uses ketogenic diets for reversing type two diabetes and they scale this up they're covered by Medicare advantage. They save an average of six thousand dollars for patient and they've compared the results they get using that for type two diabetes they reversed completely type two diabetes is pretty advanced in sixty percent of patients.

The average of 12% weight loss, which is astounding amount of weight loss. And they have 100% get off the main diabetes medication, almost 90% get off insulin or dramatically reduced insulin. And all the lipid bar marks improve. And all the secondary things that are being measured by these drug companies that are saying they're the benefits of osempic, all those get better. It's not the osempic. It's the diet. It's the diet. So it basically does come down to what you eat, your food, and how much you eat of it.

It's not how much is not as and isn't it might of an issue. It's really the quality of what you eat. The quality because if you eat the right food, you can't overeat. In other words, I said, you know, I want you to eat 10 12 ounce steaks. No way. I said, eat 10 avocados. No way. I said, eat 10 chocolate chip cookies.

No problem. I see a cord of ice cream, no problem. And our bodies, when we eat this stuff that's not really food, doesn't know how to regulate it. And the studies have been done on this. The NIH study by Kevin Hall looked at this very carefully, and he did what we call a crossover trial. It was one of the best types of study designs. We took the same people, gave them a diet, and then let them have a break. I'll wash up here and then give them another diet for a few weeks, and then measure what happened. First part of the diet was eating real food.

Well, yeah. And that's for protein fat carbs calories, then they gave them ultra processed food, and they can eat whatever they want, eat whatever you want, as much as you want on restrictions. When they were eating ultra processed food, they eat 500 calories more a day because their biology was dysregulated. Kids who are iron deficient will eat dirt. The body is going to crave more food and want more food

because it's looking for nutrients, but we're looking for love in all the wrong places, right? Yeah. And so what happened is that you get dysregulated and you think about that 500 calories a day in a weakest 3500 calories. That's a pound of waking.

Yeah, if you don't offset it with exercise. In a year, that's 52 pounds of weight gain. If you eat all your processed food, why is America the fattest country in the world? We have 75% of us that are overweight, 42% are obese. It's increased fourfold since I was born.

You've seen diabetes increase 400%. I mean, it's in the last 30 years. It's insane. And, you know, the metabolic dysfunction, even if you're not overweight, because you could be skinny fat. In other words, you'll look thin, but you're actually bad on the inside. Right. You're sent to just that.

Yeah, your body fat is where the fat is. If it's in your belly, visceral fat, that's 93.2% of Americans have metabolic dysfunction. That means that 6.8% of us are healthy. And what does that mean? That 93.2% has either high blood sugar, high blood pressure, abnormal cholesterol, all the, by the way, caused by too much starch and sugar in our ultra process diet, or they've had a heart attack or stroke or they're overweight.

Yeah, that is unbelievable. Yeah, it's unbelievable. And so we're killing ourselves and it's the cost or staggering. I mean, the government, the US government pays 40% of the national health care bill, which is now $4.9 trillion. Probably a good $2 trillion to that is totally preventable.

And is now being added to our federal deficit every year. And imagine what that two trillion can do for the economy, what we could do with social programs, how we could improve our infrastructure, how we could improve so many innovation, how we could fund different kinds of research. I mean, we're wasting wasting that money. And most people don't realize that. You know, it's one out of every three taxpayer dollars is for health care.

Some believe what I find to be unbelievable is that everyone seems to look for these quick fad diets or quick fixes, but yeah, like it's pretty getting what you're saying is pretty basic, right? Like it's the same things that like if they watch what they eat, quality of the food, inflammation, like these

It's not that hard. It's not that hard. But yeah, people are trying to over or they're overwhelmed with like all this like noise. Yeah. You know, the other thing I wanted to ask you about ozampic or any of these or govies or whatever, can your body acclimate over time anyway? And so you end up even eating what you ate before you even started taking.

Sometimes these drugs affects people differently. I had a patient who I didn't prescribe it, but he was telling me he lost, you know, he did it. I was epic for six months. He lost two pounds. It didn't really make him feel great. He had all these side effects. He switched over to what I told him to do. He lost 60 pounds and he's reverse his diabetes and, you know, he's on his way back to full health. You keep us saying patients. Do you still see patients? Yeah, I saw two this morning. I had a whole patient day yesterday. Yeah.

So you actually still see like one of the doctors. Yes. I don't just play one on TV. No, you don't just play. This is very refreshing. I thought of all the people of all the doctors you wouldn't have time because do you know how many times I've seen doctors sit in the same chair you are and they are their doctors. Yeah, I guess they have a certificate, but they don't practice. They write books and they like to do media and they like to do all these other things. It keeps it real. It keeps you humble. It keeps you learning to do it.

Like it's impossible to find like the big joke is I can't find a doctor. I love it. I mean, I love taking care of people. It's so I mean, it's amazing. You actually are like, would you take another another patient? I need a doctor because there is such a shortage of doctors. You're lying, girl. You're lying, girl.

I know. What is the waiting list for that? Do you have like a crazy waiting list? That's tough. I wish I could see everybody. I really wished. I mean, it's the heartbreak of my life. And I can't tell you where I probably get five to 10 texts, emails, requests every day. Easy. My mother this, my friend this, I'm sick this. And like people I heard close to me and I'm like, I just wish I could help everybody. And I can't. And so this is really why I co-founded Function Health.

was to take what I know and make it accessible not to a few hundred or thousand people but two millions and millions even eight billion person problem. That's exactly what I what we're creating a function is something that is revolutionary. It's why we're the fastest growing health care company in the world. We're creating something called medical intelligence.

You know, you have chat, GBT, and all this. But think about where you take all your own data and all your data is sorted through with the use of technology. Because now we can process. I mean, just in your microbiome alone, there's 100,000 terabytes of data. I don't even know what a terabyte is, but it's a lot of information. It's a lot, I guess.

So no human mind can comprehend all that. So we're able to take all this data and actually understand what's happening to you and input it all into the system and then give you a predictive model of where you are that trajectory from wellness to illness, because things don't happen overnight, right? For example, we were mentioning some of these Alzheimer's tests at Pete House who's 17 or 80 or 40 or neurofibrillae light chain. There's other biomarkers and we're now able to see from a blood test that

You could be developing early cognitive brain injury that you don't even know about because you're not symptomatic. You can tell with brain imaging up to 30 to 40 years before you get Alzheimer's that you're starting to get trouble in the brain. But now with these blood tests, we can detect it. And then you can do something to intervene and actually reverse that trajectory. That's never been possible before.

How is it even possible? I thought there was no cure. Could you give us? Well, there is. Of course there is. I mean, you know, like, give us some things that we can do for our brain health. This is actually fact. I mean, if you look at the studies being done out of Europe, the finger trial, the pointer trials, these are large scale clinical trials using aggressive lifestyle intervention, risk factor modification, and actually showing that just.

reverse slowing down or delaying the progression of Alzheimer's, but reversing. How can we reverse Alzheimer's? What you eat, exercise, dress management, sleep optimization, nutritional optimization, hormonal optimization, addressing all the root causes, toxins, gut microbiome. It's a process. It's a deep involved process.

And I've written a book about this called The Ultra Mine Solution about 15 years ago. It was way ahead of its time, still ahead of its time. And colleagues of mine like Dale Bredesen have taken that and really upgraded it. And he's got a recode program now. He's written a book called The End of Alzheimer's, which talks about the root causes. This is not just happening in a vacuum. It's not such a random event. Why have we seen Alzheimer's increase by 150%? Why? Tell us. Why? Because we have the shitty diet.

Which is sugar. I mean, they're calling Alzheimer's type 3 diabetes now, which is in some resistance. Why we have 93% of the population have some degree of insulin resistance. But this one I understand. Toxins, environmental toxins. There's more education out than ever before, right? We're more educated and you'd think that this information out there, how is it instead of getting less obese, we're getting more obese? Instead of getting healthier, we're getting more sick.

When all we are overloaded with people and information like the health industry, longevity industry, it's a trillion dollar business.

Yeah, we live in a toxic cesspool of food and toxins. I mean, it's just the truth. I mean, the food industry has produced a food that is making us sick and making us die early. And we also have completely unregulated environmental toxins in the society that people just polluted. You know, if we were food, we wouldn't be safe to eat as human beings are so polluted.

Why is it different here than the UK? Well, in other countries, they don't allow the same ingredients. I mean, you might have heard the recent kerfuffle about Kelloggs and these are friends of mine. I didn't ask you about that. Yeah, I mean, like, you know, it's ridiculous. Like in Europe, they have regulations. They have something called the reach legislation in the European Union, which limits the use of chemicals. So here, the way it works is you, if you're a company, you get to use whatever you want and you get approved.

as generally recognized as safe. And then you only get to have it taken off the market if it's shown later to be harmful. So innocent until proven guilty. Wow. As opposed to, you have to prove this is safe before you put in the food. For example, trans fats, the great example. Right. Crisco was invented in 1911, shortening.

Yeah, I remember it. Do I call it shortening? No, because shortening is your life. Yeah. No, it's not why they call it that way. Oh, I thought that's why I call it short. OK. Why do I call it that way? I don't know. But anyway, that was a joke. It was a joke. A doctor joke. Like a dad joke. It's like, yeah, I don't eat red meat. I don't eat it well done. Yeah. So the reality is that the science started coming around in the 60s and 70s and 80s. And it was just really a compelling data that it was killing people.

hundreds of thousands of people a year. And the FDA still did not change its policies. And there was a scientist that was researching this for 50 years. He finally in his 90s sued the FDA. And based on that suit, they changed the regulations to recognize it as something that was not safe. So they took it off the safe list.

And then they encourage companies to remove it from the food supply, but it's still out there. And again, we should have never had that for that long in the food. So we're having- Wow. Yeah. Yeah. You know, it's usually how it's actually thaw you in different dyes and adders and colors. They're added to food here, like Kellogg's Fruit Loops, that you don't get in your craft macaroni and cheese. In this country, it's got all kinds of weird dyes. And if you go to Europe, it's got, you know, basically, carrot dyes to make it orange, not really orange, you know, neon. All these chemicals. Yeah, which, of course, I grew up on craft

Me too, right? We all did. I mean, I was the first thing I learned how to cook. Me too. I think that was like kind of like every child, you know, like my daughter. You boil the noodles and you put the cheese in the milk. Totally. Totally. Where did you grow up? I was born in Spain. You grew up in New York City and Queens and then moved to Toronto and I'm from Toronto. You're Canadian? No, my mother married a Canadian after my cancer divorced. I met you grew up in Toronto? Yeah, from 18. Yeah. Where? Gave you in York Mills.

Really? Oh my God, that is hilarious. Where'd you go to medical school? University of Ottawa. I'm from Ottawa. Are you serious? Does anybody know this about you? All the Canadian. So are you surprised? I have to ask you because like when you started all this stuff, your career, it wasn't like trendy and cool to be a doctor. It wasn't like a massive industry like what we were talking about earlier.

And then a blown up to be like the hot thing. You know how there's all these different trends. We're talking about entrepreneurship, health, longevity. Like, are you surprised at how like you've become so popular in the trajectory of your career? Did you expect this? I don't know. I don't know. I just, I just saw the issues. Wait. I mean, I studied nutrition 45 years ago and college and

wrote a, read a book called Nutrition Against Disease by Roger Williams. It got me thinking about this. It was given to me by a PhD student on nutrition that I was living with. We shared a house together. Oh, okay. And so I got, you know, kind of- In Ottawa? Yeah, in Cornell. In Cornell. Yeah, we went to undergraduate. And I, you know, I just got into health and wellness and herbal medicine and yoga. And I was a yoga teacher before I was a doctor. You were? Yeah. And also I know you're into Buddhism and all that stuff too, right? Are you still, are you still into that stuff?

I mean, it definitely is very much informed my way of thinking about the world in my mind and suffering and compassion and why we can all the mess we get into. That's a good way of putting it. What do you think about all the other modalities that can help? Like meditation, all the other things that help with lowering your, I guess, your stress levels that help.

I mean, look, you know, functional medicine is a way of thinking. It's an operating system and it's agnostic and it's whatever the right set of tools. So there's a whole bunch of tools and a toolkit from meditation and yoga, to breath work, to acupuncture, to drugs, to supplements, to diet, to plasma freezes, to whatever

What is that? You said that in the beginning of the life. Yeah. It's basically a filter in your blood to get all the crap out. And it's one of those therapies that's being heavily researched for longevity. It says we get older. It's like, you know, think about your car. If you don't change the oil, it's crap in it. And it's sort of like that. It's like you filter your blood out, you take out the cells, you take out the plasma, you throw it out, you put a new. How do you do it? You take blood out of one arm, you put it through a machine that filters everything out. It's like dialysis, you know, and then it goes back in the other arm.

And so how accessible is this to the average person? Not that accessible. It's expensive. It's, you know, between five and $10,000 time. It's going to come down in price and it's going to be more accessible. And there's a lot of research going on now. I mean, a convoy is one of the leading researchers out of, you know, on the Palo Alto area in this field. And it's pretty exciting. So I think it's one of those therapies that's to be used for long COVID, for autoimmune disease, for cognitive issues, for Alzheimer's, for longevity. So I think we're just beginning to understand it's been around forever in medicine. Yeah.

What are the dialysis that you're saying? It's not dialysis. It's used for different kinds of autoimmune diseases and neurologic problems in hospitals. But this is a broadening the use of it to different kinds of indications. And I think it's one of the most exciting therapies. And I know it helped me rely on COVID. I'm not super long because I caught it early. But I basically had COVID and I developed arthritis afterwards. My hand blew up and I felt like crap and I was exhausted and my brain wasn't working. And I just did a course of plasma freesis and the next day I woke up and I was completely better.

in one session. Wow. And how long does it take to do it? Usually two to three hours to make your veins an hour and a half to our feet.

Wow, a friend of mine developed long COVID and he had a horrible gut problem and it was terrible. Yeah. Would you suggest with this type of thing that you just said, be good for all different sorts of long COVID? About a percent. In fact, there's some good data out of Europe, Germany, where they looked at long COVID patients and they measured all the auto-any bodies and all the inflammatory compounds before and after they did plasma-free cysts. And then they looked at their clinical outcomes and they found that actually it worked to actually help people recover and to reduce all these biomarkers of long COVID.

Wow. Okay. And then you said something else in the beginning about what you do. You said, you were, you were riffing off a few. You said that. And you said another thing that you do that's kind of on the cutting edge. What was that? Rapamycin? No, not Rapamycin. But you could talk about that too. Isn't that just a supplement though? No, it's a drug. Oh, wait. Isn't that the drug that people take for COVID though?

Now rapamycin is a drug that's used for immune suppression for transplants, but in low doses and intermittently, it seems to work for longevity.

Really? So would you suggest people take trying it? I don't think the data is there for the average person to take it. But like I said, I'm willing to try it on myself. Is it any pig? And if they're a longevity enthusiast and they understand the risks and the risks? I mean, there are some risks. It can suppress immune system function if taken in certain ways. And it depends on the person. So you have to monitor. Okay. Where was the other thing that you said that you're doing? That's a little bit more unique.

No, I don't know. Exosomes, what do you think about exosomes stem cells in the US versus outside the US? Are they different?

Yeah, I mean, there's a lot of regulation in the United States that makes it difficult to get or younger stem cells or umbilical stem cells, exosomes are easier to get, but still not quite regulated. And I think, you know, as unfortunate, but in other countries, they're doing far more advanced work than we are. Yeah. Yeah. And so, okay, so exosomes, anything else that you do? Oh, I do a lot of stuff. Exercise, take all my supplements, do all my stuff. What supplements are you taking?

Oh, I take a cocktail of stuff, you know, my multi fish, well vitamin D magnesium, but then also take a look at my longevity stack, which is your left and a I take him a million tardary buckwheat, which is incredible. This compound that has course in and all these meat are rejuvenating properties. I take the sprout powder I put in my shake every morning.

I take probiotics, I take this senolytic compound, which is a cocktail of different herbs, and things like fisetin, curcumin, green tea that helped her kill zombie cells. Yeah, where do you get that from?

Um, companies called quality. I don't have any relation with them, but they're quality. Yeah, I know them. Okay. And I take, um, I take in a man and I take, why in a man and not NR, like, well, I don't think they're interchangeable. I think.

Do you think they're similar? Yeah. Really? I heard that NR, from what I understand, it gets into your cells easier. Yeah, it depends who's doing the research and making money. I was telling you. Exactly. I got to go. And who's selling what? I know. But that isn't an amen, uh, Sinclair, right? Yeah. Okay. You must be friendly sink. Are you a friend of David? Yeah. He's a character, but hello. Okay. So that's why, okay. So you're taking that. What else would you say you're doing besides all those stacks and I want to

I think one of the killers that is really not talked about a lot is loneliness and isolation and disconnection. When I went to the Blue Zones, it was amazing that there were no nursing homes.

Even if people didn't have kids, they were taken in by their niece and nephew if they were older. It was just quite an amazing thing, and they had the deep sense of connection and community and belonging, meaning, purpose. Those are more intangible things, but investing in your friendships, in your relationships, in your community is one of the most important things for longevity.

I actually think that loneliness is our biggest pet. It's like smoking two packs of cigarettes a day. Yeah, people can die from loneliness. So I totally agree. I know you need to get out of here. Is there anything else that we can talk about that's a little bit? What's the number one question people ask you?

I don't know. I mean, what's the one thing that you hear the most people say like, is it the gut? Is it brain? What's like the one thing like right now that you're in the most text messages, the most DMS about not like even maybe check your own GM? I mean, it's just chronic illness as people have in autoimmune diseases, you know, have

The disorders have got issues have just people are just struggling in our traditional health care system. We're getting sick and sick air. We're making more and more drugs, which aren't working and we're spending more and more. We're getting less and less. You know, we're now spending more than twice any other nation and health care costs per capita. And we also are 48 and life expectancy.

It's crazy. So I have one question. Focus and ADHD. Do you think that that's a real thing? Do you think that we can eat better to actually have a better focus being more alert? Oh, my God. Yeah. I mean, ADHD now affects about 10% of kids. It's something that's now diagnosed with adults. There's a lot of reasons for it. Nature deficit disorder, nutritional deficiencies, microbiome issues, environmental

nature deficit to sort of that more like you're on your social media too much. Yeah. And they're playing and being in nature. 100%. That's why I'm asking the question. Yeah. And I think, you know, it's a real problem. And I wrote again, I wrote a book about this called the ultra mind solution. Same book talking about the brain. So how to fix your broken brain by fixing your body first.

So your body affects your brain and I had a kid talk about that book who was severely eating the one riddle in for years kicked out of kindergarten to like wow behavior. I had all these other health issues that asthma allergies and gut issues and headaches and this and that.

Totally crap diet, processed food, did a bunch of testing, had severe nutritional deficiencies, had totally messed up gut, had bad bugs growing, too much yeast, had lead also in his system. He basically just got healthy, put him in a lation diet, kind of got his body, he was 12 years old at the time, and it was like a miracle. Like two months later, it came back completely normal.

And what was amazing, you know, you can get to the link to look at the imaging, but you can see his handwriting before and after two months. And it was the thing that got me going, oh my God, what's going on here? Because his handwriting, you know, was it legible? A lot of these kids have what we call dysgraphia. They can't, they're writing. It's just a terrible penmanship. And then two months later, it was perfect writing. It was because he had occupational therapy and handwriting lessons. It was because his brain went from being chaotic and dysfunctional and coherent to being synchronized and coherent and functional.

And that was what got me to really understand that the body was influencing the brain ways that we could modify and change, whether it was depression or ADD or OCD or autism or Alzheimer's, whatever it was. And so much, the joke in medicine is that neurologists pay no attention to the mind and psychiatrists pay no attention to the brain.

They're both wrong. There's no brain. There's no brain mind thing. It's all one thing in the body, brain, body, mind, mind, body. It's all the same. And so basically what happens below the neck is pretty much ignored by most other neurologists or psychiatrists or psychologists. And you can't talk your way out of a gluten tolerages causing brain dysfunction or heavy metal toxicity or vitamin deficiency. You've got to treat that.

Yeah. And also exercise overall, this moving your body going outside. All these things are so good for your overall productivity. Mark, you're amazing. Thank you for being on the show on the podcast. You guys, so we said for Dr. Hyman's new and most, his new company, Function Health, which is probably now the fastest growing health company you said on the planet. He's giving everybody the first hundred people the code is a

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If you want to learn more about me, go to my website, DrHime.com, social medias, Dr. Mark Hyman, and podcasts as the doctor's pharmacy, although might be changing the name soon. They know all about you. You're like a million to followers. Okay. Thank you so much. You're an awesome, awesome guest, and I appreciate you being here.