E874 - Bachelor Premiere, Traitors w/ Robyn & Nikki, RHOSLC Reunion, Southern Charm & Nick’s Apple Beef
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January 28, 2025
TLDR: Discusses The Bachelor return and drama, joined by Robyn Dixon and Nikki Garcia for Traitors recap, RHOSLC reunion, Southern Charm, RHONY finale, Nick's Apple store drama, Daily Dilemmas, Lawsuit Update, and more. Also includes Cynthia Bailey and Crystal Kung Minkoff on Humble Brag.

Welcome to The Viall Files: Reality Recap, where we dive into the latest happenings in the reality TV realm, including insights from The Bachelor premiere, a look at Traitors with guests Robyn Dixon and Nikki Garcia, and the latest reunion dramas in The Real Housewives of Salt Lake City (RHOSLC) and Southern Charm. Here's a concise summary of the key points discussed in the episode.
The Bachelor Premiere
The episode kicks off with an enthusiastic recap of the Bachelor premiere featuring Grant.
Key Highlights:
- Nick Viall expresses optimism about the new season, emphasizing Grant's gentlemanly qualities and potential for drama.
- Nish discusses the memorable entrances, noting standout moments, including creative fashion choices and memorable interactions among the contestants.
- There's anticipation around how the upcoming episodes will unfold, with speculation about potential villains and romantic pairings.
Traitors with Robyn and Nikki
Next, there’s a lively discussion with Robyn Dixon and Nikki Garcia, who were recently eliminated from Traitors. They share their experiences and insights about the game, hinting at key strategies and emotional moments.
Important Insights:
- Robyn speculates about Boston Rob as a potential traitor based on reactions from castmates.
- Both guests reflect on the chaotic environment of joining the game and how critical first impressions can become in this setting.
- The duo shares poignant thoughts on alliance dynamics, expressing disappointment over betrayals.
RHOSLC Reunion Drama
The discussion shifts to the RHOSLC Reunion, characterized by intense revelations and shifting alliances amidst the cast.
Major Takeaways:
- Lisa Barlow's controversial remarks draw criticism for potentially leading to misconceptions and creating drama with other housewives.
- Discussions of the jeweler incident spark debates about community ethics and how rumors affect personal lives.
- The dynamics among castmates reveal underlying tensions and the impact of past seasons on current relationships.
Southern Charm Highlights
Overview:
- The episode also delves into Southern Charm, highlighting the Taylor and J.T. controversy, illustrating the complexities of loyalty among friends.
Key Observations:
- Taylor is seen as a victim of backlash from various cast members, highlighting the ongoing struggle between maintaining friendships amidst personal feuds.
- The tension escalates when J.T. spreads rumors about Taylor's boyfriend, leading to confrontational back-and-forths that evoke anger and confusion.
- Viewer perspectives emphasize that not all contestants appear as supportive friends, calling into question the authenticity of their relationships.
Conclusion
This week's episode of The Viall Files offers viewers a vivid look at the intricate webs spun in the world of reality TV, emphasizing the importance of friendship dynamics, the weight of rumors, and the challenges participants face on these competitive platforms. With engaging discussions and guest insights, there’s plenty to look forward to as the seasons unfold.
Stay tuned for further updates and analysis as these shows continue to provide entertainment and drama for fans everywhere!
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What's going on, everybody? Welcome back to another exciting episode of the Val files reality recap edition. I am your host, Nick. And I got to say, I'm very optimistic about this bachelor season. Very. I'll get into it momentarily. We have an amazing episode lined up for you. Obviously will break down last night's episode of the bachelor premiere of grants.
Journey of Love is now kicking off. We got traders. We got some Salt Lake City Reunion. We have Robin and Nikki from Traders, both excommunicated from the castle. They will be joining us later in the show to talk about, you know, WTF. Why were they kicked out? Especially Nikki really got.
Stacked in the back. She's like, I hate. I felt her pain. Yeah, but don't say it. Like she said it. She said, I'm here to catch traders. She's an empath. You know, if it's, if all you got is the energy in the room, like maybe don't vote off your bestie.
It was like watching Bambi's mom shoot Bambi. Anyways, we'll get into that later this episode. Bachelor, I want to get into the Bachelor. I want to kick things off before we get to household headlines. I wasn't really sure going into the season. We had the pleasure of interviewing Grant not too long ago. If you don't know much about Grant, you want to learn about Grant, I know they don't do much with the intro package. Obviously he was on Jen's season.
And he didn't, you know, he was like a top five, top six. Anyways, that episode that going deeper with Grant is out there, but you know, Grant, you know, nice guy, really, really what I know, what we learned about Grant is super nice, definitely a gentleman, successful, good looking, like has a lot of qualities, but I wasn't sure about like how messy he could grant it, you know, I wasn't sure.
And then obviously, you know, never, you never know with the women they cast, you know, like that's really not Grant's job, you know, and like, who knows, you know, they're not really ever casting for the bachelor. So you never really know. Here's why I'm optimistic. I'm super optimistic because I've always said if the, if the bachelor could pull this off, it would probably be one of the best seasons of all time. And if you guys saw the super teas, now the super teas hard to trust.
Sometimes because you know they they really are you know specifically around the drama So like it does seem dramatic but at the very end boy They were like I don't know how that's edited to the point where like Most of it's not true and that at the end was assuming its grant talking to his dad. I believe that was done. Uh-huh
Also talking to Jesse, where it's just like going into the final date. Like Grant doesn't know who he was going to pick. But to the point where Jesse's like, hey, you need to decide because they bring the person you're not going to pick first. And it's just like, he's like, I don't fucking know. And like if that's how if that's how it plays out, it's going to be good. It's going to be juicy. It's going to be messy.
Because, you know, if we all love the women in his final two, then like we're going to feel bad for one. It's going to be kind of awkward. That's going to be great. What if we love one, but hate the other? What if one of the two finalists are the villain of the season? Oh, that would be epic, right? Like lots of good possibilities. Anyways, very optimistic about this season. What do you all think of night one?
I loved it. I was like, I don't know that I've seen the Bachelor make out with this many people the first night, but I was here for it. I was like, just the waters. It was quite a few. It was more than 30. I wanted, I wanted to go. I wanted grand to just make out with every single one. I was like, pour it up.
Do it get in there, but I actually loved their his women. I still do think Ali Joe is going to be the villain. For sure. Yeah. There were five cases, by the way. I don't think Ali Joe is going to be the villain. I think she's going to have an early access. She might just be from Jersey. She was in the super teaser. Yeah, she was. I think the Puerto Rican lady. Carolina.
Yeah, I think she's definitely going to be a villain. You think she's giving villain? There was a scene where she's walking up some stairs and she's basically said, yeah, I'm the villain or something villainous. Who was your favorite entrance? I think my favorite entrance was Latia. She's bad at basketball, but she had this barkly. The dress was insane. Honestly, I feel like the fashion this season was kind of blah.
Really? I was like, I really do love sparkles. No, a few of them pulled it off. But a few of them looked like they were just like guests at like a cocktail wedding attire. First kiss. Like, was this like a? Oh, no, she was giving fashion. I liked her. Alicia. Alicia. Alicia. She was giving fashion. She was giving fashion. Yeah. The next she was giving fashion. Maybe, you know, what do I know? I don't know. It all kind of gives prom dress to me, but it's cute. And I like it. And I thought they were all really sweet.
I feel like Rose could have maybe pulled something more. She just had like a silk satin dress, you know, Chloe, the red high neck was also kind of giving wedding guests. What about Dina? Dina's dress. Oh, Dina looked amazing. Yeah. Dina looked amazing. So did Zoe, the t-shirt shooting the t-shirt. That was my favorite. That was a good one. That was awesome. Plus she was last.
Isn't she like an engineer? Yeah, engineer and model. That's so tight. That's awesome.
Rose came out first. So wait, she came out last. That usually is important. When did you come out? Well, oh, I was middle of the pack. Yeah. I was an underdog, baby. They didn't seem to be coming. Yeah. We got Alex with the silent E got that was first impression for me. At least we know. At least we know. It's now Alex and not Alex or Alex. I was shocked by that first impression rose. Didn't see that coming.
I didn't either. Maybe he was like, I feel like I have to give it to her because she brings a llama and then she doesn't get the impression rose. That's a little. I couldn't take the like skits with the llama. Oh my god. It was a bit much too much. Everyone was doing it. Then Jesse was doing it. Yeah. I loved it. Alicia beating with the llama. I was like, I love Alicia Moore for this.
Well, I'll say that the first impression rose is very much the decision of the bachelor very little influence from the producers go into that decision so he must really like her and couple that with the fact that like she also gets Alex gets the first one on one day that's like a double target on your back.
The former showrunner always told me after my time on the show that they tend to get their villain from either the first impression rose or the first one on one day because it puts a target on their back and then that person has a hard time handling the attention. You know, when you get that valid early validation and if you feel like there's a connection and then all of a sudden you feel like you have this connection, a bunch of people have had no time
So when you feel like you have a connection with someone, you take things more seriously. You start, you know, not even realizing you start kind of dismissing your peers a little bit because they're like, they're out there hanging with their homies and you're falling in love and people are just kind of get annoyed by you. So it's a double whammy. So much for a no drama llama. How did y'all feel about Bailey's constant selfies?
So Leah was triggered. Oh, my God. I fucking hated that. I literally... Two cheers. She's an influencer. It just, when I thought I was like, oh, this is too much. And then she kept doing it. Yeah. Also, not great quality. I'll say that. They weren't great quality. It's a vision into your life, Grant. I mean, like, take a picture of me.
She was honest up front. I do respect that. I will say I liked the Bobbit. Like the Bobbit was cute. That was funny, but it was just like the constant selfies that it was like, okay. I mean, I guess it must have been some producer's phone. They're like, here, take this in with you.
I will say, you know, we're going to see all those photos on bachelor's Instagram. You guys don't know this, but in the NFL world, they often say how week one is alive because it's early in the season. You know, there's a lot of upsets because like it's week one, you know, teams aren't really at their full capacity. I would say the same about night one and the bachelor.
I think we have to be careful about like our observations about who these people are night one because again, it's not one. They're super nervous. They're coming out. They're told to do a bit. They're encouraged to do a bit. They're encouraged to stand out. So let's let the dust settle.
We never know like maybe bailey will just like completely lose the whole like phone bit like for those who are have been watching for a while peter webber season one of the more iconic seasons of all time. All of Victoria is not showing up for hometowns but and another iconic character everyone thought she was going to be a villain.
Early on, she had like champagne gate with Kelsey and Hannah Ann really just kind of like settled in and like really became the unproblematic like sweet, you know, dare I say, slightly boring. And I mean that and I love Hannah Ann in the best possible way. But like, yeah, it was, you know, you got to let the dust settle before like the real drama unfold. So, you know, week one's kind of a lie.
I did like Juliana a lot. I wish she would have actually taken a bite of that cannoli though. She really just only got the edge. She was chewing for forever. She may have been nervous, dry mouth. When you try to eat something and you're like, oh, no. She had lipstick on. What is she supposed to do? We're in the makeup? Yeah, I think she should go for it. If you're going to do a bit, let him wipe the cannoli off your lip. Maybe a kiss, maybe a kiss. Do a real lady in the tram.
I want it. I want it real. What about Parisa slide show? I love it. I loved it. At first, you know, obviously they did her dirty with like, oh, let's like take away the stereotype of crazy lady and cats while like looking at her rock collection. Lane on her stomach. I'm kind of obsessed with her.
But he gets back to like again night one is about doing these types of things and I thought she delivered it and sold it in a in a great way like obviously you sit down for a PowerPoint it's giving like oh my god like type a you know like like oh my god and then like she she had a lot of fun with it I thought she did a really good job I was shocked that she got the last rose.
But I think she got the last rose because, you know, again, early on, they will always pick one or two people who they think kind of gives crazy eyes and like is the most animated facial expressions because like the longer they have to wait for the rose, the more they just like lose their fucking mind. And so she seems to be a very animated has a lot of animated facial features. So I don't think her getting the last rose means she's like on the chopping block. She looked like Mariska Hagerty. That's all I could think. She did special victims unit.
I don't know what's going on order law and order. Who looks like her. She looks like her interesting. I do not see that. Sorry, Justin. They're both white and brunette. No, it's the face, like the facial features. Did Parisa's slide show at all give anybody how to lose a guy in 10 days when she's like, yeah, family.
I love her. But she did it in a very cute way. I wish she would have like kind of, maybe she did and they cut it out, but I wish she would have leaned into like, AI really knows us. Because that was AI's fuck. That was a first time AI showed up on the bat in the bathroom action. That's kind of creepy. I thought she was good at photoshopping. I was like, no, it was a little I wish she would have been like AI. Yeah. It was a so well and it maybe would have. There were like six fingers in there for sure. Yeah.
I bet that Parisia would make a mean YouTube video essay, though. I would watch it. I would watch that Alicia got second to last Rose after they kissed and had such a moment and cute banter. They had a lot of chemistry. Could you imagine y'all kissing and then him being like, you got to go.
No, that she was imagining that for like an hour because that while that first rose ceremony when he like walks in Says like four names walks out waits five minutes comes in says four more names walks out And then sometimes if he like forgets the four names because like they'll always they usually give you four names And they're like if you forget doesn't matter Honestly, you can do one at a time because every time you walk out They won't know why they'll freak the fuck out. It'll be it'll be great But usually it's for yeah, they'll give you four names and you walk and walk out give four and then you're just waiting the whole
time. So yeah, that first row ceremony took like 45 minutes and she was just like going in and being like, oh, I got the first kiss, blah, blah, blah. And then he's just like handing out the roses. Um, anyways, yeah. It's also kind of intense when he would just grab the rose and just stop at every group of women and then be like, okay, keep going. Oh my God. Wait, Rose and the clay rings.
I thought that was cute. The movie, the clay rings. When they had the clay and they were. Yeah. And then Grant's sister pulled up. I kind of like that. I like to. I called it though. I was like, it's a sister. It's definitely her sister. Oh my God. I was with them. I was like, is this an X? Like this is so shady. She looks exactly like Grant. I feel like as soon as they saw her, they would have been like.
They're related in some way. That's so true, but that's grand. I was like, okay. Well, they were cutting in and out to the ITMs of all the women giving commentary, and then it was always like, this girl, she's a baddie, she's awesome, she's that, and I'm like, it's definitely a sister, because otherwise it would have been like, who's this motherfucking... Showing up late. Yeah, like you could tell with somebody. That's a good plan. And he was like, oh, shit, but not like, oh, shit. Yeah. Used to excited for it to be somebody dark from his past. Great looking family. Yeah. Yeah. Great looking family.
Yeah, fine little bit. Anyways, optimistic about this season, wasn't sure going in, but I'll be tuning in. They're doing the damn thing.
Do you guys have any front runners? Dina. Zoey, I think Juliana, for sure. Zoey, yeah. Latia. I love Latia. Was Zoey basketball? No, that was Janae. Oh, no, Janae did the chalk and Janae went home. I was really calm. Zoey was the shirt. Oh, yeah. Latia had the sparkly basketball. I'm going to say my top four right now are going to be Latia, Zoey.
Rose. Rose, you think? Maybe. Alex. There are so many clips of her sobbing crying. Rose was like, you did me so dirty. Yeah. Mine's Alex. It's definitely not Carolina, because you saw that clip of her going to Grant being like, what did you say about me? Carolina, I think she's going to go the way of Sydney. She's going to be like top six. She'll go to home right before hometowns. Yeah.
She was going to be one of my finalist. No, she can't be like it's like Carolina or just guessing here. Alex, Alicia, and yeah, that's that's what I got so far. So I got Zoe, Latia, Rose, and then Juliana, Natalie, Juliana for sure.
Natalie, maybe Julian. Julian is the one who ate the cannoli and they had that cute banter. She was like playing the piano and he was like, you're so talented and they're going, they're kissing and he was like, she's talking during the kissing. They're like, oh, yeah. Yeah, I guess we'll see. Carolina, I think the fact that she, I loved how she admitted dating a DJ. Yeah. Yeah.
I was good, some good self awareness. But like the, I think she's like, she, she's been like behind the DJ booth a lot, I think. Yeah. I think, I think this environment that she in is not as intimidating for her as it is some of for these other women. And I think that's why she's ultimately going to be the villain.
She's going to be unafraid and cocky and confident and like, it's going to start rubbing some of these women the wrong way. She was crying every two seconds. So. In the superties. No, just not. Just like episode one. Every conversation tears. I don't know why I'm doing this. Yeah. We don't either. Okay. Well, exciting times. All right, household headlines. What do we got? Love is blind is returning on Valentine's Day for season eight. All right. Love is love is still in the air.
Where's the season again? I think it's Minnesota. It's Minnesota, yeah. Yeah, Minneapolis. Between the cities. The home of Prince. The home of Prince. Midwest drama. Do you think people are actually watching this on Valentine's Day? Because you know the first batch is like three, four episodes. I will be. Well, I feel like Valentine's Day is like at this point a little.
Overrated, you know, I feel like people less and less people are going out to dinner and like doing this big hurrah. I feel like most people now are like, let's order in. Let's like watch a movie, let's do something together personal because have you been to lunch or dinner on Valentine's Day in LA? Yeah, it's just sounds like a mess. It's a pre-fixed menu. You're sitting there with like, I'm already out.
Couples that are like, couldn't get a babysitter. So you're in between strollers. And this is like Beverly Hills. Like I'm like, we did this last year. And I was like, never again, are we going out for Valentine's Day? I say, I just like everything being heart shaped that you can buy as someone that really loves like a little heart shape. No matter what time of year it is, I get to bulk up. Nick and I went to home goods the other day and
I had just ordered Valentine's Day baskets and I've got Easter baskets. And so I was like, OK, I've got to like find some stuff to fill these. And we were in home goods. And Nick was like, what is it? I mean, they've got like this heart shaped noodles and glitter. And he's like, who is buying this? Like, oh, it's popcorn. Yeah. In the shape of a heart? No, it was it was a bench. Oh, yeah. OK. Yeah.
But it was very much that trend on TikTok that's like, have you ever, excuse me, ma'am, do you have a five foot look? You gotta do that. It's like the weirdest shit. And they're like, oh yeah, right over here. Do you have a frog doing a backwards yoga pose while holding a hose? Do you have a statue of a corner of a cob that's peeled like a banana that kind of looks a little phallic?
Yes, we just got it in. Yeah. Then we went to the Apple Store, which was triggering for me. I shattered my phone. It's trying to steal a lemon from our neighbor's tree. They were, you know, first of all, they were hanging over in our yard. They have a giant lemon tree. There's hundreds of lemons more than enough to go around. Anyway, some are hanging over. We, I was, I was married. It's giving a February enthusiasm.
He wants him to pay to have the tree removed or whatever. Anyways, I was making shish kebabs, which was already in an epic fail. Nally hated it. I really failed dinner. How do you feel shish kebab? I don't want to talk about it. Now I guess I'll have cereal. I wanted to order Chinese and he was like, what if we just made like
Chishka bobs, that's different and knew like chicken kebobs and I was like, all right, sure, I could do that. The chicken wasn't cooked. It wasn't cooked. It wasn't my best work, but.
The rice was all wrong. Sorry. In the process of procuring two lemons, I shattered my phone. It wasn't even shattered. It was just glitched. You didn't break the screen, but the whole screen was green. It was giving technical difficulties. Oh my god, technical difficulties. In the morning now, I decided to go to the Apple Store. I had some laptop issues. I figured, you know what, let's just go.
You know, I had some old air buds that I needed to like hopefully replace as well. And we went there early. And then I was like, Oh, it turns out that I opened to 11. We left at 10. So like, let's go to Home Depot and like have some quality time and connect home goods, whatever. And then so we promptly got to the Apple store. I got to the Apple store at 11 o'clock. As soon as they opened up, there's like me and three other people. There's no one there. I was raining. Finally, it rained in LA, by the way. Yeah. And then I'm like, Hey, I need to buy a phone. No problem. They're quick to help me about that. Buying anything. No problem. Tons of people.
Hey, I have also, I have my laptop and some stuff. I have some help, but like, oh, well, do you have an appointment for that? I'm like, no, there's like three people in the store. Well, I guess, you know what, you know what, we can help you out as if like they're doing me a favor. Meanwhile, there's also a guy like on a microphone yelling out.
being like, all right, the workshop starts in five minutes. There's three people in the fucking store. And he's like on a microphone yelling to the whole store. Well, I'm just trying to get some help from my laptop and my phone and my air buds. And then they made me a point from my laptop and then.
sort of like, oh, well, it's your charging cord. I'm like, great. Can I get in? Because I got the laptop like six months ago. Yeah, like, let's see if it's under warranty, but we have to like book an appointment for that to like see if it's under warranty. Like, I guess anyways, I had the appointment. And then like, what about my airports? Like, do you have an appointment for that? I'm like, this isn't my appointment. No, you have to book a separate appointment for that. I'm like, huh, I'm like, I'm about to lose my fucking mind. Derek worked at a Apple store. I don't know how he did it. I don't know what's
Are you telling me that you have to have a separate appointment? That's what they were telling me. Which one did you go to? Was it the growth? The one in the Americana? I don't know. Anyways, but they're like, oh, good news. We have an appointment. No, your computer is under warranty. We can replace your charging card. Oh, bad news. We don't have that replacement cord in the color of this one. So we're, you know, like we can't give you a new one here. We can ship it to you. And I'm like, well, I have no other way to like charge my laptop.
So I thought, by the way, the color, wait, they wouldn't give it to you because of the wrong color. Yeah, apparently a different color. But so I'm like, well, I guess I also have to buy one because then I thought I was going to get a different color. No, I got the same color, but like that one's available for purchase, not for the replacement.
Oh my god. I'm losing my mind. This does sound like a curve episode. Then while I'm like getting my new phone and uploading it, I'm like my computer is like at like 1%. So I'm like, hey, do you have any like chargers for this laptop? Now I got one of the new laptops and you know how like every like six months like Apple like changes all their chargers.
and my old laptop had the two USBs, and then remember the one that had the magnetic charger? That's one mine has now, where it just kind of breaks away. Well, turns out, my computer charges both ways. I never knew, and they, the guys who sold me the new charger, never fucking told me, but this other guy's like, oh, you can use this. I'm like, are you fucking kidding me? This is after I spent $50 on a charger that is under warranty that they told me they couldn't sell me this one.
I was about to lose my fucking mind. But that's warranted. I think that's absolutely fair. I feel your pain. I feel your pain. And then I was dead. The Nick rolled his eyes and gave some attitude. I just told my eyes, he's like, are you mad at me? I'm like... A little bit? He was like, are you mad at me or Apple? And Nick was like, Apple? And he was like, because I just work here. That's such a meme. You know what? No, I'm like, no, I hate you. No, I think you're an asshole. And I hope that the rest of your life is nothing but misery.
Nick, I want you to know that you're seen. I've also been a Karen in an apple before. It was triggering. It was really, really, really fucking triggering. I feel like we all have a place or something that brings out a Karen in us. Mine is the people who knock on my door after they walk past my nose listening sign and you witnessed me. I did.
the other day as this woman it's always when rivers down for an app and the dogs go fucking crazy when people ring the doorbell and this girl is like hi mister they i'm not even going to try to pronounce it and i was like i'm his wife and she was like okay we were just replacing windows do you have any windows or doors that you would like me to look at to replace and i was like no but did you see the no soliciting sign and she was like oh
I see it now. And I was like, great. Cause you just woke up my baby with my dogs barking. And she was like, all right. Well, I'll be seeing myself out as you should. Thank you. Thank you. I feel like we all have a place that the DMV, I feel like brings out a lot of Karens. That's shit though. It's the DMV. You know, the DMV is run by an inefficient government and like whatever. Like Apple is like richer than most countries. It's the lyricist company in the world. Cause they're pricks.
Yeah. You know, it's annoying at an Apple store as if you ask for someone above them. They'll be like, I'm the highest person here. That's what it got me irritated. If that were to happen to me, I'm digging my feet in. I'm not leaving. That's not true. Let's just say I have a corporate contact after that visit.
Your follow through Justin is really I aspire. Thank you for it. Yeah, it's really. Yeah, most people are just threat nurse, but you're actually like, I say peacefully and I think that's where they're like, oh, we can't even say this person's mad. Yeah, no, it's great. I, my face crumbles. I just.
Do y'all know what's going on with Billy Ray Cyrus right now? Good. I don't think I know. He posted an Instagram post, full post with caption saying that he's praying for his father. Like, I hope he gets help. He may not be here for long. A lot of like strong emotions in that post, but he's not explicitly saying what's going on. I know people are assuming that it's like addiction, maybe alcohol.
Well, I remember when him and fire rose got a divorce and there was like audio footage released of him like screaming at her or something. And then I know Miley has spoken about how she's like, I got my narcissistic side from my father and none of them communicate with him or something. But then yeah, I saw trace Cyrus, which I didn't even know there was a trace Cyrus. And I guess there's another son too.
It's bracing bracing bracing. I mean, it seems like an ongoing saga that this family obviously faces constant turmoil and a lot of sadness. I don't, you know, I do feel sad for him that he feels like he needs to come to Instagram and hopes that that'll be a way to get through to his dad. Yeah. I hope it's a sad situation. Yeah. Yeah. So I don't know. Scary movie is being rebooted and I am personally very happy about this.
On a forest of saunce, I'm ready. Just everybody. But I mean, it came to my intention that Nick can care less about the scary movies. Never really got into it. I didn't really even get into the screams after like Scream 1. But it's my understanding of the scary movies. franchise was first was based off the scream. The first one is like every other movies about like a different scary movie. Are they scary? I think Joel McHale was the last thing. They're like parodies. Yeah. In the most recent scary movie. I knew that just because of his. Any other any other reasons why we're excited about it?
I just think we need like because I used to do where I'd watch this like the actual horror movie and then watch the scary movie version after and then I'd be like healed.
And the first two were directed by the Waynes Brothers. I don't know who directed the other few, but the Waynes Brothers are taking it back over. So this will be directed by them again. So it'll be in the vein, I'm assuming, of the first two, which was explicitly funny. Ashley Tisdale was in the last one with Madea. Yeah. Actually Sarah was in the fifth one too. It's just, I feel like we're severely lacking and just good goofy silly fun. Yeah. For like pure idiotic and lunatic purposes. I don't think it's sense. I just want to like sit in a movie and just like be allowed to laugh. Yeah.
So it is actually funny. Yeah, they're like their spoofs. Have you seen this scene of where she's like Cindy the TV's leaking? You've never seen that or heard it. Have you seen the ring? No, okay. I think you need to watch one. You'll enjoy it. Do you like scary movies? It depends on how scary I guess. Like I don't want nightmares. Yeah, but I also like that's why you watch scary movie. I love it. Is it like
You might feel for a second like, oh, this is kind of scary, but then they immediately make you laugh. Yeah. And then it's like a dick joke. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Love a dick joke. Love a dick joke. In the spirit of since everyone responded to my losing my mind over the Girl Scout cookie. Are they on your side or off your side? I don't know. Don't care. Okay.
People had opinions. I had one, but I came up with I have a new like fun segment. I want to do daily dilemma. Leah came up with the title of a random family saga stories where there may or may not be a debate to be had. This week's edition is wedding themed. Leah, can you read that headline?
Absolutely. Mom catches heat for agreeing to pay for her daughter's wedding, but not her step-daughters. Ooh. Valid. I'll give a little more context if you want. Yes, please. Okay. So the two daughters have gotten engaged and only Hannah was informed that her wedding would be paid for. When Alexa asked her father if he and her biological mother would be paying for her wedding, he told her no.
He said she should have a wedding that she and her fiance can afford. The sisters went to lunch and Alexa found out that Hannah's wedding was being paid for and she called her dad crying that it's unfair. So, who is the biological parent here? The dad. Alexa asked her father, yes. Yes. It's her stepdaughter. So, the dad is the biological parent. The mother is the stepmother.
Damn, that's dirty. Who's paying for it though? Is it the stepmom? Who makes the box, man?
I think it's dirty. I don't like it. But when did they get married? If the mom, if I want to pay for River's wedding and you had a kid with someone prior, you can pay for their wedding. You and her mom can pay for that wedding. That's not what I'm saying. If this couple got married three years ago or something and the mom her whole life has been saving up for her daughter's wedding. Yes, that is what happened. The mother was saving up for the wedding.
So John believes that they should split the money evenly between the sisters, although the woman told him no, because I was the one who had been saving the money. I'm team mom here. Yeah, valid team mom. How long have they been married? Do you know that dad? Have they been married for like, has this stepdaughter been in her life for like five years? That's the thing. Is it like they got remarried when the stepdaughter was like 10 or when she was like 30? Because I think that's also different. You know, all of the girls now.
I am not sure. Either way, I think I'm team mom. I think it's a bad dad story. I think the stepchild's biological mom and her biological dad should step up to the plate and help her out. Maybe there's no mom. When their daughter was 10 years old, from that point forward, it was decided that she and John would split Hannah's cost while he would split Alexis cost with her mother.
She claims that at the moment she told John that she was starting a savings account for Hannah and hoped I could save enough money to pay for her wedding or a down payment on a house. The woman said their finances are kept separate and the conversation didn't come up again. So this was a conversation they had when one of their daughters at least was 10 years old and she said, I'm saving up for my daughter to have a wedding. John could have asked Alexa's mom to start a bank account to save up for their wedding, did not.
And this is where we're at right now. I don't think she's an asshole for it. No, I'm a team mom. Yeah. Team mom. I have step siblings. I'm also a team. There's a lot of step kids out there who are not happy. Who do not agree? Yeah. But take that up with John. John, you fucked up dirty John. Absolutely dirty John. Would you get married at a Chuck E. Cheese? I already did.
Uh, yeah, well, uh, what, uh, check it, she has in an April Fool's joke, right? Or something about a wedding package? About saying that, yeah, there's a wedding package and then basically a couple had a wedding at 8 a.m. out of Chuck E. Cheese for $800.
eight a.m. That's early risers to go to that wedding. But like she opted out like what I found fascinating about the story is like because she was going to have a different more expensive wedding at a different more expensive pizza place. It says because the bride wanted to have a fun wedding that didn't break the bank. She started looking for local pizza restaurants that could host around 25 guests, but everything exceeded her budget. I thought it didn't make sense to spend thousands on a pizza dinner. So I tried to think outside the box
And come up with a venue that would be more fun, but still on the cheaper side and great. They landed. If you're going to go to a pizza joint, just pick the cheapest one. You're going to say, if you're going to go to a pizza joint, just get married. There's that. But what I thought was also super cute about this story is that not only was it only $800, everybody got an unlimited game.
bracelet so they're all playing arcade games for the reception and then they're like parting gift was they got a prize with the tickets that they won. And they also did it before they open to the public 11 a.m. so there's a ton of kids just running around.
That's cute. That's awesome. I think they nailed it. I'm sorry. No, it's definitely. If you're not, if you're, if your sister-in-law doesn't own a beautiful animal farm where you can have a Yellowstone themed typed wedding, go Chuck E. Cheese. Yeah, legit though. That's what we would, honestly, it was like that or Chuck E. Cheese. Yeah, so. I would go Margaritaville.
I think I'd probably do like a movie theater that's had the arcade in it. Okay. Definitely want to love that. Another dilemma. Uber is giving out free month of rides for teens who failed their driver's test.
I feel like this is an uber scam. I don't know. So we're congratulating them for failing. Basically like dumb kids get free rides. The reason they're doing is basically they're trying to help the parents out. So they're saying because the parents have busy schedules with like dropping them off at practice to school that like take care of your kids. I'm not putting my kid in an uber.
Yeah. Well, Uber's like, sorry, parents. You're too busy not parenting your kids. Let us. Let strangers take your kid to soccer practice. Well, so it's like a teen account connected to the parents account. So I think you could assume it's a more safer version. Oh, so they're letting the drivers know that a miner is about to enter their vehicle. They're giving them a heads up.
Yeah, that's what it sounds like. You're trying too hard, Uber. Yeah. Hey, parents, just parents, you know, be involved with your kids. Why don't you have driving lessons for kids then? Like I, right? Maybe teach them a skill. Instead of putting them in a car along with a stranger. Yeah, teach them how to drive. Yeah.
You know, maybe that's what they're doing. Yeah. The driving test can be hard for some people. Not for me. I password flying colors. I failed my first one. You did? Yeah. Your written test. You failed like three. That's an adult. No, when I was 16, no, the written test in California are bullshit and it's like, it's they're complicated questions. No, my first driver's test. I, you know, it was a four way stop. So I thought he totally paused.
I paused and then there was a car coming. It was, uh, and then the drivers like, yeah, there, there's a car coming. You failed. Uh, but then the second time I only got one point off. Wait, what do you mean? So you stopped out of just an intersection that was go? I was about to go and I would have made it for sure, but the instructor told me to stop. And since they had to like stop me from going, I guess that was an automatic fail of some kind. I don't know.
Wait, can I just say that I don't think driver instructors get enough credit because that's a very dangerous job. Like think about that, that you're literally in the car with somebody who does not know how to drive while everybody else is driving. You've got people driving crazy because they're experienced. No, some of them do. Some of them don't know. But some of them, no. Nick, Natalie, who is going to be the one to sit in the car and do all the hours with me? Okay.
Do you think you'll handle it more calmly? Um, I just feel like I do think I'm a better driver. And I feel like we learned that with your whole, what story was that running out of gas? Yeah. I don't know if that, I said it was my driver's bills, but.
We also failed your adult test if you just admitted to that so you feel your first. I did. I do still have a door to the driver's life because I'm scared. You know, it's not going my way. All right, we're coming up shortly. Robin from traders who was one of the two that was voted off. We are excited to talk to her, but first.
for all of you and we'll spend a brief amount of time on it because it has gotten real toxic out there. Guys, we are very much obviously in the minority when it comes to the Blake and Justin. Oh, I'm getting threats in my DMs. I'm getting you better stop talking about Justin or else type of DMs. Yeah, which is crazy. Colleen Hoover had a deactivate her Instagram. She's being her
harassed and bullied so much, a friend of show like Liz Plank, Justin's former co-host, one of many people who has separated herself from Justin, also getting harassed and bullied online. But anyways, yeah, it's getting real toxic out there. Which I thought, I think we were, you know, kind of a surprise about just because like obviously you guys know you're aware of our opinion on the case, but like if you are on the other side of things, it was just like shocking. People are literally sending Natalie threats, which is also interesting because no one's sending me those threats. I'm sure they will now.
I mean, I see people like trying to like discredit our, you know, because like one of the few shows out there like who are not Team Justin, like a lot of like the army of Justin influences are like, you know, definitely coming for us, which is always funny and fun. But I will say I did talk to some people over the weekend and I got a better understanding of where the Team Justin people are landing and why they're landing and why there may be such vitriol. If you are Team Justin, my friend went to a dinner party and overheard a group of women talking.
And they were very much anti-blake, right? They were making some wild comparisons. I think the general theme of this group of women, the why they thought about Blake, according to my friend, was they think she's lying. They think she's making this story all up, which I do think that's the one thing all of us can agree on, that if Blake is just falsely accusing this man of making up stories, that would be like one of the worst things someone can do, given like this, the damage of what it does to real victims out there. And then I got a phone call from a friend whose opinion I really respect and trust.
It was a work colleague and acquaintance, you know, haven't heard from a while, but do very much trust their opinion, and they were not team-like. I will say the people I did talk to, though, however, acknowledge that most information she is getting or informing her opinion around is just watching clips online. She's like, yeah, I didn't listen to your shell. I'm like, that's fine.
So it is a bunch of online. Did she read the complaints and the lawsuits and stuff? I'm clear. I think she's reading like a lot of people, you know, because I was a lot of creators covering it and they're posting clips of the complaint. So I don't think she sat down and read all the complaints, which I have done.
But I think her big takeaway is like she like she said she was in Blake's camp at first. And then when this video came out, that like kind of changed her opinion in a sense that like apparently after watching this video and reading Blake's complaint, it was like Blake's complaint didn't match the video. I'm not going to get into that. There's a lot of different opinions on out there right now, but that was just her opinion.
So yeah, I think she just kind of thinks she's being a Karen. And then like she also referenced how like recently Blake's team like referred to Justin as an abuser. And she was just like, you know, none of these complaints like she's like, it doesn't say abuser to me. And I, my response to her was, well, listen, like, and I would say this to anyone who's been on Justin's camp. I was like, if you got hired at a job for let's say a three month engagement to consult on a job.
And the boss of that job is someone that you were going to be working with every day. And the reputation of this person that you were working with every day was like, he was, they were a saint. And then two weeks into it, all of a sudden, they started like giving you the ick here or there. They started making you feel uncomfortable. Then one day that I called your friend behind your back, I listed it some personal information, just a bunch of little things that were just like, I'm.
I don't want to go to work anymore. I'm uncomfortable. And then you finally complained, turns out they were also HR, but you finally complained and then you found out. And again, this is just my interpretation of the events. I don't want to get into what people disagree with. You finally complain and then you found out that person hired people to bully you and your family and harass your other coworkers about you online and really make your life miserable. Like, wouldn't you think that person is an abuser? And they were like, yeah, I guess I kind of.
That's kind of how I see it, but the reason why my opinion is what it is is strongly based off of the fact that interview just in a long time ago, read his books, consumed his content. And I just personally think that if you're going to make your whole platform through the books you write, the podcast you do, the TED Talks you do, you are the voice for women to hear their sorrows and their pains and champion them.
And lecture man and literally his message is hey guys are you man enough to believe women's stories that that is Justin's literal message if you're going to do that ultimately in my mind you're selling safety you are selling. I am safe to a group of vulnerable people and that vulnerable group is any women who's ever had a bad experience with a bad actor who's a man.
And so when you are selling that you are safe, you're literally saying, you can put your guard down around me. And it's just a lot easier to protect yourself when you see something coming versus when you don't see it coming. And I said to my friend, like, if I went to go see my priest for like counsel and then out of nowhere that my priest started talking to me about porn they like, I would probably feel way more uncomfortable than if Mike, my kind of gross friend did it, right? And he put that responsibility on himself. So in my mind, if you're going to do that, you better walk the walk.
And my standards for people like that are so high. And that's why I have such a strong opinion because I just think it's highly unlikely that he walked the walk that he did. Like she's accusing me of sexual harassment, not sexual assault. I think he did a bunch of weird, creepy little things. And I think she told on them because she wanted to get back to work.
And I think he's hired a bunch of people who have created a lot of discourse and influence. But anyways, that's our opinion. I don't know why it's gotten so toxic, but I think we're trying to back off it a little bit so people can stop threatening my wife. But we'll see how things play out. I think it's going to be like Mary made this joke. Like, it's going to be like that Britney Spears doc has tried past. Like people are going to watch it and be like, oh, we should have known.
be like in 10 years, they're going to be like a bunch of Twitter threads being like, Blake Lively was always the victim. And you guys just like didn't know. Like you see with Amber Heard, it's just like such bullshit. It's like maybe we could just believe a woman. I think Justin and Blake want to go to court. That's my prediction. I think Justin's New York Times case is going to get thrown out. And then a lot of legal people I've talked to, I think him and his team are going to end up owning the New York Times money.
And I wouldn't be shocked if his lawsuit against Blake and Ryan also gets thrown out. And I think Blake's going to win and anything when that happens, it'll be interesting to see all the alleged witnesses, according to Blake's complaint, what they say and the other details that we really don't know about. And I guess we'll see. And then maybe you guys can tell us we were totally wrong and we're not up next. We got Robin from Shredders.
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Robert, how's it going? Great. How are you? We're doing great. We're sad that you're not on traders anymore. I'm sad too. I had unfinished business. All right. Well, let's start it there. What was the business that you wanted to do before you got sent home?
After that round table, I was thinking I gave it some thought and I instantly was like, okay, Boston Rob is a traitor. Just based on drag queen's response to him, he had such a visceral angry reaction to him calling him a traitor. I just knew I was like, okay, this is a different response than dealing accusing Bob the drag queen of being a traitor. So I was convinced that Boston Rob is a traitor and I was going to get him the next day.
was so upset when they murdered me. And when I found out they didn't and banish Boston Rob that night. I mean, that is a good take, but I do. And I said this with Wells. I feel like the people you throw out at the round table. I mean, clearly none of them were traders, but it was like, what? She thinks they are? What? What were you kind of going off of?
Well, I'm not the only one that was wrong on people. No, no, no, I know. I know. There's a lot that are wrong. I mean, after you know, I'm not the only one. I was just probably vocal because I'm just like, you know, I'm not here to just like be one of those people who just kind of sits here quiet and tries to sneak by. I just wanted to.
You know, I came there to make a television show and I just wanted to make a television show. And so for me, it wouldn't have felt right if I was sitting there just like being quiet and not saying anything. And you've got to like think about what it's like to be in our shoes. Like I've been a viewer. I love the shows of viewer, but when you already know who those three or four traders are, you're just honing in on their behaviors where we're in a room with 20 other people.
who we really don't know. And so we're evaluating every little thing that they do. So we don't have a luxury of just paying attention to a handful of people. We are watching everyone. We're saying, OK, well, let me see if something weird is happening. If there's a shift in energy. I mean, I even, after Alan picked his traders, I thought Sierra was a trader because she went in the kitchen and grabbed a bowl of grapes and started eating them. And I was like, oh, she's trying to deflect.
You know, she's trying to be distracted from the fact that she just got picked to be a traitor. So you're really looking at every little thing that people are doing. With Wells, it was like, I don't think they showed it, but like when we had our little conversation in the billiards room, he got up and walked out of the room. And I was like, Oh, okay. Like he's in the hot seat and he wants to just avoid this conversation. So I
the only one, but I was right on Boston Rob. I wish I had had the opportunity to really convince people that it makes a lot of sense why early on, you know, and I think Wells was saying this or I think a lot of the faithful were talking about how they wanted this season to be the season where you guys like found out a traitor right away, but just hearing Robin, like hearing how you and the rest of your cast kind of came up with their theories, many of which were wrong. It speaks to like,
When you're looking for something like you just kind of over read every little thing and like the traders usually are the one who are more calm. More reserved because they're operating with a little bit more like just confidence so that when like when everyone when all the faithful get accused of something I think you you look inherently guilty because you're like I'm not you know right do you feel like that's why Danielle is kind of no one's really suspecting hers because she has these like crying moments and she.
Absolutely. I mean, Danielle from the jump, and of course you all don't see everything, but every little thing that Danielle did was filled with some sort of emotion or like, you know, anxiety, even at the round tables. I remember that first round table when it was between me and Wells.
And, you know, you look around as people are like making their pics or whatever. Like I made my pic early as well. So boom, I put my thing down. And so, you know, I'm looking around and Danielle's sitting there, she's just like deliberating and she's like, oh god.
like she's so stressed like she's just filled with angst over this decision that she had to make and this pick she had to make and I saw that and so for me I'm like she's not on my radar because she's totally just stressed over this pick so it's like you really
I, I, you can't, I made this mistake and probably a lot of people make the mistake is you put yourselves in the, in the shoes of a trader, you say, well, if I was a trader, how would I act? And for me, if I was a trader, I would be really low key. I wouldn't be bringing attention to myself. I wouldn't be, you know, going from person to person and talking so much like drag queen was doing. And so seeing Danielle be so just emotional and she would be kind of like a little bit all over the place and have a lot to say.
She never was on my radar. So this game, I mean, I think you just never know, like you just have to throw something at the wall and see what sticks at that point that early in the game. Were you as shocked as we were to see Nikki go home? Because especially after her like performance with the
Like two times in a row, she like refused to save herself and then also crying again. Like, I'm like, I'm just trying to figure out, like, before you left for people floating Nikki's name around, it seemed like it came out of nowhere and it wasn't even close. It was like unanimous that she got. Yeah. Got picked. So before Nikki was put into the caskets,
People were floating her name around. Oh, the caskets. You know what, Boston Rob's called it. He said, like, we're going to get a two for one because we'll kill one and people are going to still think probably someone is a traitor in the casket. Boy, that Boston rum. Yeah. So that's kind of, and they were aware of that. So I think actually,
It was Nikki and Jeremy whose names were being floated around as traitors. So when they went in the caskets, a lot of our, you know, like antennas went off. We're like, wait a minute. We were just saying that we think Nikki and Jeremy are traitors. And we had seen Nikki and Jeremy kind of like talking on their own. And so it was just all these little like,
Red flags were around Nikki and Jeremy. But we knew Jeremy wasn't, though, because he got killed. Right. So then the thought was when Jeremy was killed, we're like, well, then Nikki must be a traitor. Like that was like, like, Jeremy was on it or something. What was your reaction to seeing Danielle turn on Carolyn? It's a mess. Crazy. Yeah.
You know, I don't know what happens, but I felt like, first of all, I thought Boston Rob messed up by, by doing what he did to drag queen that early in the game. Because it creates, we can see it just creates a snowball effect of distrust amongst the traders. And so now.
what Danielle did, that was just like insane. She should have known that, and maybe she did it on purpose, she should have known that Dylan was going to go back to Carolyn and tell her that she was floating her name about. I just, I thought that was not good strategy. She should have really laid low. It was too early for them to start trying to frame each other way too early. So I'm curious to see like, where does this go?
This season, the housewives have had a target on their back. Um, do you think that it's based off of the previous season, like Phaedra being such a good trader that they think that like want that you guys are so unsuspecting? And like, was the, like, did you feel that they were targeting you in the house?
Yeah, for sure. I felt like people came in just based and were trying to recreate what happened the season before or trying to, they were just basing their biases based on what they saw the season before. And so they saw Phaedra be a traitor. They saw Shire last a really long time in the house. And so I think they just assumed, oh,
housewife has to be a trader. Right. And then on the flip side, the traders knew that that would be the thought process of everyone and it would be easy to frame the housewives. I, you know, but what I loved about it was that this season is completely different than last season. Like,
you know what we're seeing where we haven't seen anything really like it before and I think that's what now people coming into the game in the future should should keep in mind like you know you can't base anything that happens in your current season on what you saw the previous season because they got to keep it fresh but they definitely had their eyes on the housewives we have targets on our backs and
It was kind of unfair, though, because they would say, like, oh, you guys have had numbers and all this stuff. And I'm like, yeah, but the gamers have numbers. So I have his numbers. Like everyone else has numbers. Why are you worried about us? That's what kind of shocking. If you're going to target any group for no reason other than the fact that they're a group, target the gamers. They're going to be good. And you have to assume that one of the gamers
I mean, you have survivor big brother challenge. I feel like that would be at the round table. My only argument of like, you know, if you don't have anyone so early on, it's like you've got nothing. It's like, well, let's go for West because you're a gamer and like it's got to be.
For some reason, maybe yes, maybe no, but like might as well try to take out a game first. Well, let's get the gamers fighting with each other or something. I mean, so Tony, so think about it. Tony from Survivor, we were we banished him because that's true. Yes. He was a great survivor player. And, you know, it was just certain things Tony would say around the house that were like,
So we took out Tony, they took out Jeremy. So we started to take out the gamers, but they were just stuck on this house. But when I watched them murder me, I was like, OK, that was anti-climatic. It was just like, OK, let's just pick Robin. Like, what? Can I get a reason for it?
So you like basically like wake up in a producer walks in and be like, you're dead. Um, no, that's not how it works. So we actually all wake up and get dressed as if we're going to breakfast. And because we do professionals throughout the day, you can be asked to do a confessional before breakfast. That doesn't necessarily mean you were murdered. But if they ask you to do a confessional before breakfast, there.
That's when you get murdered. We're ready for the day. I was ready to get Boston Rob. I was ready to start. Did you also think like I on where she thought the survivor cast were.
Survivors of diseases of some kind or an ailment. God bless her. So, although I didn't, the only boss, the only survivor I knew was Boston Rob. I knew that. Survivors was a television show. Okay.
I wish there were clips of her being like live disease. Yeah. She's so funny. I was so mad they murder her just because she's so funny. Like, yeah, no, I don't know what they were thinking. Funny. Oh, I feel like producers kind of stepped in there and been like, well, let's find someone else. Do you think we picked her as a traitor? That would be crazy. I mean, you know, that would have been comedy. It would have been like Derinda and I on if they were actual traitors. Yeah.
It would have been comedy. But I was definitely like, can a producer step in and stop and tell them to stop killing housewives? Like, come on, you need us on the show. You want good TV, keep the housewives on. Robin, who give me three housewives from any franchise that you want to see next season.
I would love to see like Erica Girardi. Okay. Yeah. These are people like, we'll never do it. Cause like, yeah, we never do it. We can't have our phones. And Erica Girardi, Nini Leaks would be fun. And,
Let's put Ramona in there. Love. I think that would be pretty, pretty exciting. Any more questions for Robin before we let her see her? I do. Going into the round table is like, what was your strategy for how you decided who you were going to vote out? Were you corroborating with specific people trying to see how they were going to vote? Or were you doing it just like, individualistically?
Well, because it was like so many people, it was, you know, in order, like, I didn't really have an agenda to push. Like, for me, like, say for, um, I had Wells and I had Tony just on my mind. They were like really the only ones, but I wasn't trying to, like, vote somebody out. You know, if so, because it was that early, it was like, let's see what the rest of the group has to say. Let's see if they have anyone to put out there.
And since people didn't really have a lot to put out there, it's like, okay, well, let's go for the ones that are in my head. So no, at that point, there was no strategizing with the round tables. It's just so early, so many people. You just want to see what everyone else is thinking. What color are your eyes are the most insane things I've ever seen? Oh, thank you. They're green. They're so pretty. Oh, my God.
Well, I'm, I would love to cover Potomac at some point. So maybe we will start. Wait, that's great. Yeah. Please come back. Well, yeah, I'm like, I'm not on Potomac anymore. Um, but yeah, maybe as a friend of, are you done, Don? You're forever gone.
I mean, I don't know. I'm sure you have opinions on what's going on, and we can get you on here to just talk some shit about your previous castmate. I mean, I have a lot of opinions. I believe it.
A lot of opinion. All right, Robin. Thank you for your time. It's been super fun watching you on traitors and hopefully we'll hear some of those opinions on Potomac. Yeah. Thank you. It's a pleasure. Take care. Bye bye. Bye. But one thing too that I wonder where I'm like, I understand like while you're in it.
And it's it's so many people but like for me just even taking a step back and like why was boston rob offered to come in already and then we have a second offering of him back in the game like to me i would already immediately want to have him out because i'm like why are we pushing so hard to have this man on the show.
He's shockingly flying under the radar for a man who, everyone's like, yeah, boy, he would be really, really bad if he was a traitor. Right, you didn't want him in the first round. They all know that he's a traitor, but for some reason they're too scared to make a move and to get him out. Yeah. He's just too good of a gay player. Like, Derek knows that he's a traitor. Like, they all are saying... Well, that's a thing, though. It's just like, he's surviving now. It's still fairly early. Like, Rob's not gonna win. No, no.
up next the exile that i think shocked everyone at least shocked me i think robin gave it some context about like the i forgot about the casket element but i was still blown away more specifically because chris shell had a vibe but anyways we'll get to hear from uh... the faithful herself niki garcia is up next
Look at our Bambi. Hi, guys. Hi, Nikki. Nikki. What the fuck? Why are you are sabotaged? I was. I'm never joining an alliance again. No, I'm just kidding. I'm not alliances. Have you confronted?
Um, I'm trying to say this without being whenever Crichelle came home. So that could be up all the way at the finish on who knows, but when she was able to have her phone, she, I was her first phone call. And she honestly is the sweetest thing that we love. We love Crichelle, but, but like vibes, energy, energy, huh?
I know I was shocked. And I knew at the point the minute because that was towards the end of like just going at it with everyone. And then I knew that like my fate was sealed. Like that was, yeah, definitely.
We talked to Robin earlier and her theory, because obviously she wasn't there when you actually got voted off, but she made it seem like the target was very much on your back as a result of the whole coffin situation. A few episodes back. Is that what you attribute it to?
Totally, because for a challenge earlier that day, like Rob made it a point to join our car. So it was like us bambies. And then he came in, which I thought I was like, oh, that's interesting. Like he really wanted to go with us. And I legit did not think he was a trader only because I swear it's in her handbook. Traders aren't allowed to out traders. Like that's like a rule.
So when the whole situation with him and Bob went down and how like you guys should see that raw footage, it was insane. I'm thinking when everyone had those theories, I'm like, yeah, that's smart because it was super heated, but like you can't do that. You can't out a trader like your trade. Can you give us a little tea of some of the insane things we didn't get to see?
I mean, just how they were going at it. It was so heated and it went for like 15 minutes. And like, I can't even remember the stuff they're saying, but it was just like, I thought they were about to physically fight. It was pretty nuts. Wow.
I know it was like really intense. And I was in shock and that and you know, it's funny because I got really close with Bob and when you start this whole journey, you share van with some like with a few people before you like we do stuff for three days before even actually starting the day. So it was Gabby, Bob, Tony and I like the whole time. So we all four got really, really close. You get close with who's ever in the van.
And Bob, to me, is one of the funniest people. Like, I just, I loved him. Off camera, made all of his cry laugh, like, just super funny. And so he played me great. Like, I had no idea that he was a traitor. Like, I totally was manipulated and brainwashed. And like, no way. So when my reaction, my reaction was real. I don't know why people thought I should have thrown a chair in the air, flipped the table, like,
made some big dramatic like oh my gosh bobs trader like i was actually shocked and i was kind of shocked that that was a target on my back of how i reacted. It is crazy to see how people come up with their theories which we've come to learn is almost based off of nothing. In creschel's case it was based off of.
Her being an empath. Her being an empath. I felt for she was crying. She really didn't know what it's like. Michelle, if all you got is vibes, just don't vote for your friend. Listen, I get it. It's a game. It's traitors. If you got some hard facts, be like, hey, girl, I saw you say you were a traitor. I got to call you out.
Or at least she could have, I feel like, come to you and been like, hey, your reaction in the car, like, set off some red flags with me. Yeah. Did she ever do that? Did the first time you got accused by Cristal? Was that the roundtable? Yeah. Whoa. I was super shocked. I was like, wait, what? All right. In the moment, though, I know like you guys are fine and we all love Cristal. She's super nice, but like how pissed were you?
I actually, what kind of was crazy, I was more sad and emotional. Like, okay, so I've been a sports girl my whole life, soccer, then wrestling, all I've ever known as a sisterhood. I'm a dynamical twin. So an alliance for me and being in a girls group, that makes sense for me. That's how I roll, that's how I work well with.
So when that happened, I was actually just taken back and it made me emotional, which I was like, oh my gosh, why am I so emotional about this? But it actually hurt me. I felt, I guess, betrayed. And so I was like, I don't want to cry. Can we just wait a sec?
because I hate showing emotions that way. But I was more mad at the others for accusing my personality. That fired me up. When West and I went at it the night before, the week before, I actually, my blood was boiling as if I was in a bar fight in college. I just hadn't had that feeling in so long. And I think when people are coming up, they expect me to be a WWE wrestler and
be this big heel from 2017. I'm like, what? I'm like, this is the craziest thing I've ever heard. And then the night after then to get attacked, you're just too cool and calm. And I was like, what? That's pissed me off. In my head, after that argument, I was like, I think I just want to go home. And then when Rachel spoke up, I was like,
I might even argue anymore i'm so done and over this night to defend myself for stupid shit and i was like done yeah i can imagine cuz obviously you know a lot of people get casted on the show like have a pretty long history of being on reality v or in your case you know you know w we and.
They come with a history. They come with a reputation of some kind. And you're right, like 2017, it must be super annoying to have people tell you about you from something they saw on TV from eight years ago. Oh, yeah. I mean, big time.
Tom the whole time had to like remind all of us like he wouldn't let them make him be a traitor because of his past. And it was like, dude, that has, what are you even talking about? It's just, I guess I went in there like just playing the game of whatever people are going to play the game with, you know? I didn't think about people's characters or who they were years ago. So it's super annoying, especially because
when your fictional character is getting brought up. Like it's not even like, oh, so you were like this on Total Divas and Total Bellas. It was straight up like when you were heel with a written script, like how you would screen up people. This is how she must be and she's hiding it, you know? Did you practice or was your speech kind of off the cuff? I feel like it was so good. It hit the nail. I mean, just being like, maybe I shouldn't come after people's personality.
You know, if you don't know them and then you're like, I'm ready to get home to my kid. Yeah, thank you. No, that was like just off the cusp is what was crazy about that day. I had no idea. Everyone was talking behind my back. Like, I had no idea. No one came to you. It was already a struggle for me because that was as you girls would know, it was day two of my period and my period was. Like,
I during the game, you can't even see the producer to my left. Maybe that's what her shell picked up on a little PMS. Yeah. I see through that. I go, Bri goes, so maybe your energy was up. I go, well, yeah, but they knew I played in bed that day. Like I was cramping hard. And I did miss my son, but like, you know, it was like,
whatever. And Rob was just there all the time. And I was like, dude, I can't. This is just a lot today. This should have been an off day. But so maybe that was the energy. Maybe that was understandable. I was on my period. Yeah.
But it was literally right before we were going in. Well, before they make us be quiet, before we go in, is when someone told me, I can't remember who, but it was like they're coming after you in the strong table. And I was like, wait, why? I'm sorry. Didn't we just like end this the past week, which was actually the night before? And so I was fully blindsided, like had no time to prep, had no time to change people's minds before.
So the out was just a curious, because Wells had mentioned that some of the, I don't know if they're all like an hour, hour and a half, but they, they're clearly much longer than we get to see. Was the whole time spent at the round table, like people like telling you why you're a trader or was there anyone else like brought up in that conversation that we didn't get to see?
that. I think that night was just me. Well, at least you got Dylan. He was he was your hero, even though it didn't save you or anything, but like he seems to be playing this really well because like for him to be right about you, like everyone else was voting against you. And he wanted to take a stand to say like,
The group isn't thinking right. I really don't think you and Sierra aren't traders. He ended up being right about that. And it's just like, I really think that gives very faithful vibes because I think when you see like what's clear at traders, right? Like it's, it's, it's to your advantage to go with the group, right? If someone's name's getting thrown out there, you might as well vote them off because at least, at least it's not you.
And Dylan had the balls to say, you know what? I'm not going to vote for Nikki or Sierra because I just don't think it's them. And it's almost he want it's like he wanted to speak to the faithfuls out there. And I think every time he does something like that and he gets it right, it makes him look more faithful. And I think it protects him against the traders because if he goes out, then it's almost like, oh, you know, it puts a cent on the traders. I don't know. How did you see Dylan doing or, you know, the doing as well as I?
think he is. No, totally. Dylan was such a stud the whole time and like I connected really well with him off the bat. Super cool guys, super smart and he plays the game really well and I think that's what bothered him because like obviously you don't get to see everything. So I was really on to Danielle and just watching other seasons because I was actually a fan of the show before the offer came in.
Um, when you're so convinced someone's a traitor, it's like you almost don't want to point them out yet till you get other people on board because they're just going to murder you that night. So like what happened to Jeremy our season. So Dylan and I would have really great conversations. And I think, I mean, I feel like he reminds me of Peter from last season, but he's really just really great. And he has balls too, which I like. Like he, he's just, he's really great at this game. And
I see this season watching it now. Now I get why it felt like chaotic when we were there because I feel like the traders are so messy. Usually traders go in and they're all like, they have a plan, right? Now I know I was so chaotic before we'd go into those round tables. Like you would literally be like, okay, how am I supposed to put?
And then literally 10 minutes before everyone's running around saying this or that and you're like, wait, what? And then you get in your head. And I feel like it's kind of shown the season and why everyone votes first the same person because they are like, have their person before they go in and then they get rocked a bit. So then everyone follows each other except Dylan. Dylan sticks to what he wants, but like,
Everyone else. That's why when you see, I feel like every round table, it's like, okay, everyone's voting for who? Like, where are we going? You know what I mean? Yeah, no, definitely. I definitely know what you mean. And it seems like that's definitely what's going on. Are there any like people we're overlooking that you think are playing the game really well or you feel like we'll continue to pop as the season moves along?
Yeah, I think Gabby, she just needs to start speaking up, but I think Gabby is doing a great job. Like she, it's like, she just needs to trust her gut and her instincts because it's there for her. And so I think she'll start to shine. I'm curious to see how she's next week with me being gone because we were so buddy buddy, even more so than Rachelle, like Gabby and I were together all the time.
Like we couldn't wait to get our glass of wine at the end of the night. Cause we only get one. And like we just hung out the whole time. But you only got one glass of wine a day. Yeah. And there was like some nights where it was just too late and Gavin or like, wait, no, but like we, you all pump lots of wine. So please after our day today, like not even two. No, the, in those days are like 12 hours, sometimes longer when you get stuck in a coffin, it's
Same. Yeah. How long were you in that coffin for? How to be almost two hours. Oh, my God. So we like it with no break, no, like, hey, if you want to cost a phobic. So you have to wait for everyone to go like leave, then you have to wait for them, the traders to make the decision, then the traders to come kill. And then for the traders to leave till we were allowed out of our coffin. And then they let Sierra and I out and Jeremy was still in there.
And I was so upset about it because well, Jeremy and I clicked and he like little did we know we are talking too much in front of Bob who was a trader. But yeah, so he had to be there for a really long time. It was a rough, rough night. What have you had to pee? Because he didn't see anyone. Like, and then not only that, then you go to green screens after. So you're like, you're hitting up your green screens at like 1 a.m. Like,
Just it was rough. The whole thing was rough. And I am so not a gamer. I love to be experienced, but I came home and I told Brianna, yeah, I'm not a gamer at all. It's not fit for me or my personality.
Do you think, uh, Boston routes going home soon? Do you think they're on to them? I think he's becoming too obvious. Honestly, I feel like all the traders are so obvious. I literally, I wish I have it in my book every night. I would write down Carolyn and Danielle. I'm so mad at myself. Like for not just.
on my out when I was leaving, I wouldn't be like, Oh, and everyone look at these two because it's so obvious. I caught them talking all the time by themselves, like in a way that didn't seem like when you would walk in on like Gabby Christian, like just laughing and like having fun, like there seemed like they were scheming. Sure. And now I think Rob
I think after the Bob thing, people were little like, Hmm. And then I feel like now he's just getting a little too obvious. And there's definitely no unity with the traders like at all. I mean, at all, like it's crazy. I think it's what's made it so confusing for the Faithfuls because usually the traders, like they're just, you know, they're, they're a group. They're their own alliance.
What will be interesting, you know, I don't know if they're going to do it, but like last season they brought in a housewife who became a trader and then they had an opportunity to recruit a trader. I'm really curious, like, who's going to be recruited? Whether they say yes or not, is this, you know, will they be bringing in more people?
But they got to do some of the traders cuz this yeah there is it seems like a weak group of traders i mean like a boss and robs very good but he's had to almost do too much and like you said kind of shine too much of a light on themselves and the other two are just.
But even piggybacking off of that where I'm like, how do you think that Danielle is sliding under the radar so much? Because I feel like she was so obvious during that last challenge. Yeah, I don't know because this is what's weird. Everyone was talking about it. Like, even from the day of us being on the boats, like people were like,
like I just remember saying like those that crying didn't seem real, but then a lot of people were hooked that Durindo was a traitor. So I think it made people forget and then Durinda got murdered. But I would hear people talk about Danielle like almost every day. And for some reason, so maybe I don't know if this makes them great. It would get so chaotic the 10 minutes before that people would be going and fighting like Sierra and I just it just got pinned on us to the weed argue. And everyone kept
like forgetting about her like even after when she gave her shield up yeah yeah there are people being like oh my gosh Danielle and then i'm like but how how is no one brought her up like i don't think she's been named once at the round table
No, like if she has, it's been like one person. Yeah, it makes all like idiots. The only thing that makes sense, and you said this, Nikki, like, for example, if, um, if Dylan thought Danielle was a traitor, I don't think he actually even thinks Gabby's a traitor. You know, I think he said Gabby is like a throwaway because he didn't want to say Nikki in Sierra.
But if you were to say Danielle, like if Dylan suspected Danielle, he's not going to say Danielle just to like make a point because then all of a sudden there's a target on his back. Like Nikki said, it's like, if you're going to go after something you really think is a trader, you have to have the numbers. You know, they keep saying that like, if you're going to go after someone who's big, you're really going to take them down because like otherwise you're kind of fucked. So now maybe they kind of suspect and they're just kind of, you know,
She was just so obvious, like literally did not grab her photo once for the shield. And it's just like, she was shaking after. Yeah. And you're not afraid to get murdered. And then she's like, Oh, shit. Honestly. And like, I love how Dolores was like, ew, this is like, she was like, don't save me. I love the housewives. Um, I was so sad when they kept getting murdered because I'm like, no, you guys, I'm getting in like front row entertainment. Peace.
Yes. No, it's like, and again, it's not like, I just don't think. I mean, maybe, is it maybe because Phaedra was and obviously Phaedra was like an assassin. Like Phaedra was, she was a dirty traitor. She was in the best possible way. But yeah, I don't know. Like, again, I on what? Really? Derinda? Come on. Like we're not thinking with our heads here. No, like it didn't make any sense. I just feel like maybe this since the US version is
you know celebrity tv personalities whatever season maybe it does need to be a bit more produced i feel bad saying that because they don't produce at all they don't have any interference which is really cool but then it's like there's some characters you want to stick around so i don't know i mean that would ruin the game but
Nikki, always great chatting with you. So sorry you got voted off. We think you got the shaft, but glad glad you got to get back to your beautiful baby and rooting for you. And anything you want to plug? Well, goodness. I mean, I have my show, the Nikki Embry show. That's on Sirius XM. And I think that's it. Do you think Brie will do treaters?
Okay, so she was supposed to do season two. And she said, no, because she was like, if they bear me alive, I don't think so. And I'm like, barrel you out. But after like seeing the few round people, even though Brie would eat people alive, like see, I'm always the calm and cool one. But when you like go out with Brie, Brie knows how to run her mouth. Like she's amazing at it. So jump from the top rope.
So even like the Bella army has totally been going crazy on social and saying like Bree should attacked in and like took care of shit. She would have. But I'm like, Bree, you should really do it next season. But she's like, no, it's she feels like gaming. The gaming stuff isn't for her. Like when she heard my story, she's like, yeah, I just don't think so. I think she'd be good. I think she'd be good. Nikki, thank you for taking the time. Yeah, definitely. All right. Bye bye.
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That does it for our traders, uh, conversation. It's really good. This show. I'm enjoying it. It gets better and better. Like, you know, last, last season, we really loved it, but it's really, we really, you know, look forward to it. Some of the shows we cover, it's more heavy lifting than others, you know, like Roni, which I know some of you guys watched.
All i gotta say is we rebooted brony to just have another dark season like it was just a very dark heavy episode that of stuff you think nobody would cross the line to do is just upsetting i've seen clips and it's something to do with uber and bran and you know what what happens you want to see really wanna.
I can go out and then Siri can fill in the dots if you want to. So basically, UBA kind of just made like a one-off conversation and of the Spider-Man being like, well, maybe Bryn did sleep with someone to get her job. There's tension at a dinner. Bryn's kind of poking at UBA and they're snapping back kind of, but just like not actual real conflict.
as they're walking out to the sprinter van and they get in, things are getting a little bit heightened and then that's when UBA is like. Makes that comment. But then Brynn basically was like saying, you told me to put a dick in my mouth. You told me to put a dick in my mouth. So she keeps repeating that. UBA's like, I never said that. Like that's like, I'm sorry, but I never said that. Eventually the woman are, sorry being like, UBA don't. It was a common like shit talking phrase, as people say. Yeah. Well, no. No, I mean, she still never said it. Like suck a dick, man. Yeah. Yeah.
I mean, Uba still never said it. And then the women of the group started saying, like, stop, like, calling her a whore and, like, slut shaming her. And basically, Bryn brings half the group aside and alleges that Uba knew that Bryn was assaulted and that she's then still decided to slut shame her. Yeah. She's using very strong words. She's not filtered. She's saying what happened. And now these women are like, why would Uba do this? Like, why would she do this? But they're not telling Uba. They stop rolling.
And you've got like all the women super emotional now and like Jenna lines is crying just being like be nice to Brynne because like this is the first time that some of these housewives are hearing about this. And Aaron got real and yeah, they're trying to protect Brynne. Well, Aaron is like guys where we crying what happened and the women are like, that's not our story to tell. Like this is something very serious. Basically, they stopped rolling that night. They're starting to take mics off. Jessal goes into Uba's room and she's like, Hey, like I just want to like check in with you.
Brent told us that she told you you were assaulted. Why would you be like saying these things to her? Uba knows nothing about this. So she basically is like starts like freaking out. She's like trying in the corner. She's like guttural guttural. She's crying. She's like curled up in the corner. Like, why would she say this about me? Like, why would I, I don't remember this happening? Like, I would have never said this if I knew this. Then she turns into basically going out there and she's like talking to producers.
And like the group being like, you guys let her say this on camera? Like she's starting this thing that did not happen. I swear this did not happen. She goes into a room with Jenna and Raquel and she's like beside herself, but we don't see it. The doors closed and Raquel's retelling it being like, no, like, it was in Jenna's face being like, you believe her, you believe that I would do something like this and that she's, you know, from her faith and everything. She was like, may Allah strike me down and kill my first born if I did this. I did not do this.
And she's crying. She said this is between God, me and Brynn. And she's like, I didn't do this. Well, she hasn't had it yet. But my whole thing is that it's like she leaves the room and whatnot. She's upset and screaming continue. So basically she's out there. She's asking the woman. She's also asking Brynn, like, why would you say this? Producers? Why would you let her say this on camera? All the women are like, we don't know what's going on. Everybody's screaming. We don't want to invalidate Brynn. But at the same time, like, Oova looks like she's like so caught off guard.
Producers are involved. I've seen those clips of Luva just losing her mind. She goes to a hotel with Jessal. This is me kind of shortening a little bit, but Bryn comes into the room later that night after multiple other conversations. She's like, come to think of it. Maybe Uba didn't clock that I told her that I was assaulted. She's like, so maybe that did not happen. Then instantly all of the women are like, I don't want to invalidate you, but you're telling me that you might be lying in this moment.
Like to be clear, not lying about the assault, the assault, but lying. And like the whole thing was about the fact of all these women getting up against Uber and the fact that like you would say something knowing this piece of information and then for Brint to wait till after cameras are down, everything and be like, whoops, maybe she didn't clock it because I was hysterical when I was having this conversation with her, but very much laid down the fact that like Uber was the only person that she told this to. So that's why all the women are like,
She would know this and say this still to you. So they're looking at UBA differently. And then after Brynn confesses that there might be a shot that UBA didn't clock it. Now they're looking at Brynn differently because they're like, how could you let this play out and not say anything and be so definitive that UBA knew?
So brin leaves early and it was also kind of bizarre because the next morning, brins completely fine about it and she's like nothing happens. She texted producers asking to leave the next day and then she's sitting with producers the next morning being like, yeah, you know, I'm just kind of like a I move on like I could we could go horseback riding today. Yeah, which could be a form of coping Jenna said that makes sense and then production just shut it down. They were like, no, everybody's going home after this.
Is there a union? Yes, there is. But in between that, basically, the women, they brought Ooba back and they're like, we believe you, by the way, like we believe you didn't know that being said, we think Brin's going through a lot. They shoot the title cards like four days later. Well, before that, even then something about Ooba's character, like, yes, she might, she English is her second language. So when she gets frustrated, it's for multiple reasons, but like just showing to Ooba's integrity, like she still asked after the fact, she was like, I just want to make sure like is Brin okay?
So she was still even after everything just wanted to make sure that Brynn was okay. And Brynn acknowledge or apologize because like, I don't know, again, whatever Brynn went through, obviously some heavy shit. Brynn did a rolling stone. And before the rolling stones, she she didn't apologize.
No, the opposite of what she did was they shot title cards like four days later where they hold the apples up and nobody really like addressed it. And like, Uba wasn't talking to her and the way of her friend's response was, why does nobody not care about me? Like, why is nobody checking in on me and asking me about that night after she was like, we're good.
So it's a lot of back and forth. And then to Mary's point, she did a Rolling Stones article that released when the finale dropped that was like answering the question. Yeah. Kind of in doubling down, but still not taking accountability, but claiming that she's good with four of the housewives and that she still has work to do with Sai, Uba and Jessal, I believe, but it's like,
Erin commented on a reposting of this being like saying that we're sisters is a reach like I was hoping that Bryn would take accountability. She has a lot of childhood trauma that she needs to work through, but like pretty much saying the fact that you're not taking accountability like do not include me into your shit until you take accountability for it. Yeah.
And then I also think some context around Bryn spinning things throughout the entire season is that Bryn's previous employment was doing PR for companies such as Shell Oil, Johnson & Johnson, Unilever, and most popularly, quote, working on the BP Deepwater Horizon Gulf oil spill.
Okay. She after in the dark. She operates in a dark world. Yeah. Well, then another caveat is that so when they did the first season of this reboot cast, there was another housewife that was filming and she was like, they've done photos. They were teasing her to be one of them. And then she dropped out during filming and nobody ever knew like what happened. They were just like, she just pulled herself from being part of the cast. She spoke out when this finale aired and she was like, Brins, the reason I didn't do it because Brins starts rumors that harm people's reputations intentionally.
And it's like complicated because obviously Bryn has a lot of trauma and had an awful thing happen to her. But then it's like, it's just this dark and messy and upsetting situation for a Rony season that, and the beginning was just boring and then finally gets dramatic and it's in like- Not even dramatic, toxic. Talks awful. In the darkest way.
I think I might watch reading in part one though. Oh yeah. Yeah. Because there's stuff being brought up. I guess Jessal confronts Brynn about a conversation where Brynn implied that Jessal is in love with somebody else. That's not her husband and it was set on camera. Jenna Tulls Brynn to stop spinning and it just stopped talking.
Like it's, it's Jenna's wearing a luxury bathrobe to the reunion. You know who's never going to do housewives, honey montage? Yeah. According to her husband Spencer, which I don't blame her because what I've learned covering housewives to operate in that world, you have to be okay with people just like saying the craziest fucking rumors about you and your family.
You have to think it's normal that people you're working with have personal investigators and teams and forensic scientists at their beck and call. That's something you might have done 10 years ago that you didn't think would ever come up might. Relationships with your jewelers.
Oh my God. We're going to that in a second. But we do have Heidi and Spencer finally on Thursday's episode of reality recap. We'll get to talk to him about that comment about housewives and all the crazy things going on in their world. Obviously for those of you who don't know and I don't know who wouldn't, but sadly their house is one of the many houses that burned down during the tragic fires. Obviously they have been responding in the best possible way that they can. Heidi is now an international rock.
pop star, as she always has been, but she's finally getting the recognition that she deserves. And we'll be able to talk to that a couple as they come together during the tragedy and create some beautiful music. That's Thursday. We're wrapping up headlines real fast reality TV. So James Kennedy is not facing charges now. We know this. Ali Luber did post finally in response to the arrest.
Ali's response in an Instagram story, she writes, Thank you for all your support and kindness. I'm happy that prosecutors decided not to file against James as I never desired criminal charges. We had an argument outside of his house related to him drinking again. However, I was not physically hurt. I was shocked by the headlines and disheartened by how the event was portrayed. We are no longer together, but I'll always support James and wish him the best with his sobriety and healing. Thank you for understanding.
If anyone asking this hasn't changed my opinion about Ike Kennedy, not one bit, my heart goes out to Ali. I hope she's okay. I hope she is living her best life. I think it's interesting in her statement that she pointed out that she wasn't hurt and she made with no mention of the actual allegation that she was picked up and thrown against the room. She really just referenced that she didn't sustain any injuries from said alleged incident. But regardless of what happened there ever since that arrest of James Kennedy, obviously we had talked about there had been
Kind of, you know, stories here and little stories there that a lot of us didn't know much about unless maybe you were like, you know, part of that OG world for a long time, but since then we have looked into it. We've had many conversations with our friend of show, Kristen Doty, and I will say I absolutely believe Kristen.
She's been very vocal about her actions with James. And so regardless of whatever happened with Ali, it hasn't been changed my opinion about James and the history has with violence towards women. So like, I hope he gets sober. But again, I have yet to hear anything from James's mouth about the real problem, which is why he has a history of being physical and violent with women. Yeah. Salt Lake City reunion. All right. Salt Lake City part one from Ben's warming bitch to first chair. First of all, yes, Angie.
Lisa is not a friend at all to anyone like I don't know how anyone calls Lisa a friend like Heather this season Heather talks about how she's really infesting in this friendship with Lisa Lisa is a friend to nobody like Lisa might be a cool hang she might hook you up she might do you a favor if it benefits her in the long run
But like at the end of the day, being a friend is too at times at some point in the relationship to think outside of your own needs to be selfless and just be there for someone who needs a friend. I've literally never seen that from Lisa Barlow ever.
It was crazy that she couldn't at all give any like, I fucked up. I'm sorry with the whole Bronwyn Gwen mentioning the miscarriage on the after show. It was like, no part of her could see. And then Meredith being like, that's why she's crying is because she's sad. It's like, no, I think she's crying because like, no one is agreeing with her, you know, it's like.
She's crying because she doesn't know what to say and she doesn't have one of her classic clap backs to like get her out of the trouble that she's in but like yeah what a terribly fucked up thing to insert yourself in it was a while because it's like i've never watched somebody be able to find a way to turn themselves into the victim the entire time where it was just like.
Well how do you think I feel or I know them to be this and it's like again you can have that experience but you're not acknowledging who you claim to have been friends with you're not acknowledging your friends experience as to how you made her feel and instead it's always a counterback with yeah but I and how do you think putting me being put in this position is and it's just like you inserted yourself into that position.
And then the whole conversation about a jeweler, we had a front row seat because we watched this episode with Nellie's mom, for those of you who don't know, Nellie's mom had an illustrious career working at a jewelry company and being a very successful sales person at a jewelry store. I always knew she was a gem.
And we're watching it. Now, his mom's in the background. She's like, that's the most unprofessional jeweler that she's like, that's the carnal rule. You do not talk about your clients to other people. That's like the biggest no, no, according to her. And then like Lisa is out there and like, I don't know, was it Whitney or all the other housewives were like Lisa is claiming to like not really know this person, not really have a conversation with her son.
My mom took this rule so far. I remember we'd be in the grocery store and she would see like a lot of her clients. Truly, she'd see one of her clients and she would like not say anything because it's like, oh, what if the woman they're with is their wife and they don't know that they just bought a necklace or a ring or it's like they don't know that they're shopping indoors. Like you cannot approach anyone that you know because you don't know what's going on in their personal. You know, it was like she took it so serious. So the fact that like this
And quote, jeweler was texting Lisa being like, she didn't even buy that. She's like, I mean, I wish Andy would have read some of those messages, the fact that he was like, yeah, it's not very good. I will say it also kind of doesn't make sense. Like, I think Lisa and Emma, this friend has brought
Bronwyn also went on watch what happens live and like talked about it, but like the details she was saying didn't also add up to the reunion where like she basically said that her friend or the jeweler was reached out to by reporter so that we can assume that might be Lisa that might not be Lisa. And basically she said we bought the necklace, but then given this economic environment or climate, we decided not to go forward with the necklace. So we got like a smaller one made, but then it became like we were having the smaller one made, but then like we found out about her talking to Lisa. So then we decided not to buy it.
But then in the reunion, she's like, but we did buy it. So it's kind of like, what's the truth with the necklace to begin with? Rowan story definitely does not make sense. Yeah. I'll give you that for sure. But whatever. I don't think she bought it. She didn't buy it. I don't know. Yeah. I don't know who gives a fuck. Yeah. Maybe.
If if if the worst thing taught in bra when we're doing we're flexing in front of her friends and yeah i don't know little do she sure if that's what happened but like again this is about Lisa again like just flat out lying and making up stories and like just leveraging people and going out of her way to like spy on people get tea get dirt like.
Would she claim she never does? Yeah, would she claim she never does? Like she, I mean, she sounds like black males, people like, you know, and this is all to protect her image and her brand. Well, never, even when it's talking about like falsely, you know, making accusations about fake miscarriages, she still can't humble herself to apologize.
Even when she brought up the daughter thing and whatnot or she was just like, even if you hate me, if you don't, if you're not friends with me, can you at least apologize for doing that to my daughter? And she's like, well, that's a lie. And it's just like, like she is just so unable to like remove herself from her own point of view in any sort of way.
I'm just more shocked why Meredith and Heather ride for Lisa so hard. I don't like what am I missing? I like to think she's a good friend until like you come in her way. That's not being a good friend though. I like to think that Meredith rides less for Lisa and Lisa rides for Meredith and that's why Meredith keeps Lisa around.
Maybe. Well, Heather, I don't, I don't know. Heather's reason is Heather's reason only because like, was it, was it Bronwyn who brought up like going to high school with Heather or Heather was kind of always obsessed with Angie. Angie. Heather was like always obsessed with being like friends with the popular girls. Well, yeah. And I mean, Lisa, she's the popular girl. Heather also went to college with Lisa BYU. Lisa said she was the good time girl. That was like a whole thing too. So I mean, I think Lisa is the popular girl and she's a socialite. So I think people want to surround themselves with her surrounding. Yeah.
But I will say Todd did and I kind of wish Todd didn't reference the like blowjobs rumor, like rumors surrounding Lisa too, where he was like, she uses you for the jazz suite. So she doesn't have to work for herself. And I'm like, yeah, that was probably not great. Wish we didn't go there, but yeah. But then he also said that what Lisa did on the aftershow was quote, libelous. So.
I mean, he just said that. So it's definitely a strong word to use. And Bronwyn also said, this is really dastardly of her, which is an incredible word to use. What does that mean? Like dastardly, it's just like... Vile. Vile. Wicked and cool. Dastard.
I don't know. It's a very brown one word to use and I enjoyed it. Meredith did call Angie the backup dancer in the walk video. The most offensive thing that you can call Angie, I guess. I liked you better when you were a backup dancer with Monica and Jen Shaw's walk video. Angie goes, I was a main character in the video. I wasn't the dancer, but I was a main character. I have nobody's backup dancer.
I mean, this was obviously a stupid argument, but like- Angie acknowledged it was stupid too, by the way. Yeah. And again, like after the fact. Angie's not upset about actually being called a backup dancer. I think she's saying that there's more context to it as if like Meredith is calling her a follower. Yeah. Like saying you're the backup dancer. Like that's what she thinks that I got. I think I was team Angie there too, because while stupid, you're right. My understanding is, Meredith is using it as a dig.
100% and saying you're less than because you did this. Yes. And even after Angie's like, no, I'm not. Meredith was like, well, you, you were, you were in the background of the video. Yeah. Yes. Bernice did claim that she was trying to get on the show every single season on our podcast too. So.
And then Angie was on, I did hear an interview with Angie where she had said that she auditioned originally for the show, but didn't fully realize that she thought it was more of like a business opportunity. So she kind of like went in as businesswoman Angie versus housewife Angie. And so she didn't get it the first time. And that's why she said she didn't get it the first time. And it went to somebody else. Are we faulting her for trying? Not at all. Not at all. It's just, I think it just is interesting context in the iconic feud that is Angie and Meredith.
And to be fair, she earned her snowflake getting a flute of champagne dumped over her head by John Shaw. So I'm like, San Diego. She's also my mom's favorite. So I think it's fucked up that Brittany isn't just part of the reunion period. I just, she's a friend. I don't give a fuck. She carried the season. Nick, she can't sit on the couch though, because Andy's going to ask like five questions. She's like, what about me? Yeah. What about my turn? And I want to hear it every time. Also, logistically speaking, friends don't sit on the whole time. I don't think I know they don't. But again, like,
I think do you think she'll be made housewife next season? I mean, you said everyone's coming back. Now we know that she's a friend still. And she also was she's hired by the real estate company that sold on SLC. So who knows if she's doing like a two season? I mean, I am in no way a historian of Bravo.
But how many friends of shows carried the storyline as much as Brittany did? I know Alexis Bellino recently, but that's a very specific lawsuit case. She was brought on as a friend because of the lawsuit where they're like, yeah, Brittany, let's see what she's capable of. And she delivered. Sun, struck when she was a friend delivered. I was going to say, sometimes it takes a couple of seasons though, because they want to make sure lightning will hit twice. Maybe you put all your best foot forward and then the next season you're boring.
If there's any housewife I would bet on it's Brittany because I can tell you like needs to start a million times because she's so lack of self awareness and it's like it's in her bones who she is she's a performer to her point I think she needs to be a full time so we know her full character so she doesn't look so like coming out of the woodworks with what about me because clearly she has like family issues drama like trauma the only problem with Brittany being full time is that would be more Jared.
They are official now. So I want more, Jared. I don't know. I'm hearing the preview of what he texted Bronwyn and saying that he's bigger than any man she's ever been like, what a fucking fact. You know, we obviously, I've been critical of Lisa Barlow's character, but her character on TV is must see TV and like, I don't want Lisa Barlow to leave housewives. You know, I just,
I guess I'm more so just like, I don't need the man, you know, like if you're going to have a doctor, Jared's nasty, like comments towards women, you know, like I could do without and stay out of Mary Cosby's DMS. Yeah, but we don't need. I mean, like, Jared, I don't know, like he can have as much of a role as any of the husbands, which is not that much.
Listen, I say if you're spice enough to storyline, does he come to? He doesn't come to. I don't think so. I would assume that they weren't official by then. The post came out there. They shot. So. Do we feel like we have clarity now with the Whitney Alibaba? I feel like she gave. She made me. She made me see her more guilty because I was like, I thought they stole your pictures. Now you're saying you did use the stock footage for a little bit. In my understanding of this world is like what Whitney was accused of is something that
They all do. Also, I am very glad that Andy was like Lisa, you realize that like this, this one bloggers, 10,000 followers versus our platform, like he finally called her out for being like just because it's.
on one Instagram post and you bring it doesn't doesn't like wait to a being this rumor that everyone knows about that you need to bring up to national television. People should go the distance. She'll create a fake account tweet something and go, oh, look, this rumor is public. I'm going to talk about it. Do you think Lisa DMs Meredith, like that's the power dynamic there? Because Meredith is a queen of DMs. Lisa is the one of just knowing things that are happening. People just tell me things. I don't know how to pass them. Yeah. Should we get on to the southern charm? I was triggered by this episode.
As other charm in defense of Taylor. I'm actually kind of getting into it. Okay. Because I hate JT so much. Right. JT is crazy. I don't. I like him. JT was the fucking loser fucking guy in high school who became friends with all the girls and just talk shit about all the guys who are actually dating the girls and make up rumors and like nothing. And it was just, he doesn't, he's not being Taylor's friend. He's fucking gossiping.
And listen, you know, if like there's a fair going on behind someone's back and it's still going on and you talk to your friend like you need to stop doing they don't do it like you might be forced to have a tough conversation with a friend to let them know hey some shit's going down yada yada yada but like this story is in the fucking past like no one's really a part of it. He brings it up out of nowhere.
And it's also these vague accusations about a guy where, and then he throws Sally under the fucking bus and make it seem like she's like some adulterer, which my understanding of the story is it sounds like maybe he had a girlfriend they made up, they quickly broke up afterwards. I'm not condoning, I'm not saying it's okay. He made an accusation of some ongoing affair. Yeah, and JT was not there.
And also don't forget the fact that last season jt was trying to get with taylor so it's like you telling this stuff about the boyfriend isn't give altruism it's giving your single again just know i'm the shoulder to cry on your right i hate jt now.
Gus owns fucking ugly. Why is anyone even trying to be like, he's like, you clearly are still in love with Taylor and you're just trying to like shoot down. I mean, sure, but at least was it a douchey move by chef? Sure. But I at least understand the motives and it's like, you know, it's his ex girlfriend. He could be a little petty. Fine. But like JT, no, like you're just, no one asked you, you're not involved.
Like, you're just fucking with this girl's, like, mental health. No, you're fucking with two women's mental health, and you're throwing a guy under the bus, which is like, I don't know, maybe he did some shit. This wasn't like, again, not condoning if he made out with Sally when he shouldn't have made out with it, but I don't know, maybe he's done some work. I don't know. Like, the accusations J. Teeth is throwing around about Taylor's boyfriend. Like, all the guys on the show have done some version of this kind of
fuck boy, he's describing fuck boy behavior. And like most fuck boys grow out of this behavior and settle down and like start acting like a person who actually wants to settle down. And for all we know, that's Taylor's boyfriend. And I couldn't love Craig Moore because Craig was literally just like, you're doing it again. This is none of your business. Why are you making this the topic of conversation? And why do you feel the right to be angry about it? It didn't happen to you.
Yeah, I really like right. I really love his back his set up prop crake your set up situation props love. I love that he's just like in family man mode. It really, you know, listen, page and him didn't work out. It sounds like, you know, they just weren't, they weren't meant to be. They wanted, clearly they want to different things. I mean, page is all about independence, not wanting to settle down.
She's grinding. She's grinding. She's a new worker through and through. She's a new worker. The more you hear them both talk about what they want, the more it makes sense that they ended their relationship. But I hope Craig finds this lady. He seems like he wants to be a good husband. Sally's saying she sucked dick for a little bit. A little bit. That was a great line. That was pretty awesome. Not long. Everybody like, what does that mean? First of all, what do you mean? What does that mean?
She sucked a little bit. And then wrapped it up. Was everyone like doing marathon blow jobs or like everyone's like confused by she sucked dick for a little bit? I don't know. Well, in my head, it's like, well, you probably did more than that. So you're just downplaying it by making it like just a little bit. Nah, she was like, it was probably in the back of an ally. She's like, I don't know. She's like, lift it up. She's like, you know what? Let's just fuck.
She said she did say like in the car or like by the car, right? It was something I might have missed her the details, but but yeah, maybe they were in an environment where like honestly for play was this like not the time and she was like, what am I doing down here? Let's just. She said only for a little bit. Yeah.
Why is it time down here? Why is everyone so confused by that? And then the bonita romance with J.T. I'm also just like, it's so orchestrated. And I love the needle, but like, yeah. We also say your party sucks if not only multiple people are leaving in a huff, but like the actual party thrower is the host of the party is also leaving his own party. I think she's faking interest in J.T. just to have a storyline.
I just hate that Taylor, her boyfriend keeps getting thrown under, he's not on this show. We see him in tiny little glimpses. We have Sally, who was talking shit about him. We had her this episode even being like, he's an easy name to throw under the bus or whatever the hell she's like comment she said.
It's just like I just hate that this person who didn't sign up for the show is like the butt of every joke, you know, and is like everyone's trying to tear him down. It's kind of giving like the end of Vanderpump where it was like we were spending more time talking about fucking Joe.
Joe, Joe, oh my gosh, this is Joe, yeah. There were all these friends of and assistants and all this things, because I feel like the cast was either too tired of talking shit about each other. They didn't want the interrelationship drama, so they brought these other people in, and that's giving rerun out of story. It's just clear that Taylor is
finally happy and secure and like good in her life and her relationship and like these people want to tear that apart and I'm just like
Like they want to hold her to the person that she was last year while she was going through a tough time. And then it also sounds like her boyfriend has a real job and just like wants to help her protect her piece when it comes to these people and filming. Yeah. Like he's just not, he's not trying to be the star of it. He's not trying to get in drama with everybody. So everyone's like, do you think it's your boyfriend telling you that you're not allowed to come to the party? And I'm like, maybe he just got back into town wants to spend time with his girlfriend without cameras around because he's not on the show.
The way I saw it is that this group of cast friends are not friends with Taylor, because in the beginning, Vinita's saying, we also, we don't trust her. It's like, well, so we're just using her to expose her, make her a story line. It's like, but she's a friend. Yeah, they're friends with her because of Shep and they're loyal to Shep and not Taylor. But it was really nice to see Molly's concert. Yeah, she played me so well. Molly's great. She can't play tuba as well because of her lip filler.
It was so cute. It sounded very good. I don't think she get more lip filler, girl. I feel like you got more. Yeah. Or put it in there. Oh my God, that Amashir gorge. The angle of her playing the tuba, I was like, I respect her so much that she was like, sure, put it there. I don't care what I look like. Shout out to band kids in reality TV. You don't get to see too many. Yeah.
She might. I did not know that Erica Jane's son is a cop. Yeah. Yep. We've been. And he's on testifying as a part of this is a rocky trial that we were just talking about last week. He was in the cop. We can only assume he's testifying against ASAP. Rocky. He was the cop that arrived to the scene first. Yes. That's just. He's not testifying. I think against or for it's more so just like in accounts of like what he saw when he arrived on scene.
But who's calling him to the stand the prosecution or the defense? I'm guessing the prosecution. I'm sure that I know they both can, but I'm wondering who did. Usually it's the prosecution. Whoever went first. Well, it's just kind of like, you know, we know that Rihanna is like DMing with housewife. She's a huge housewife fan. It's just kind of like crazy that one of the more iconic housewives, his son is a cop testifying in her husband's case. And again, he's facing up to like 25 years in prison. This is like, this is not like fucking a jaywalking ticket.
Well, and also what I read too is that he was offered a plea deal that would have ended in six months. Yeah. And I assume you got to assume good behavior, cut that in half. Three. Yeah, it would have served maybe a month or two. It was like, fuck that. No, let's let's go all the way. I think you need to watch old Erica, like Gerardi, Jane scenes where she's talking about her son being a cop because it's entertaining.
In what way, Justin? What was it? It was a Berlin. What was the trip where Erica was like, don't ever talk about my son. There's that, which is iconic. Lisa Vanderpump was there. Then we have, when Tom Girardi was caught, there was Erica spinning the story of when she found Tom Girardi, and she was like, he drove down a hill, and then my son came. He was snowing out. My son was a police officer, then he rolled his car six times, and it's just been a really tough time for me. He rolled his car six times. I remember that. But then it was snowing during the summer. The snowing in Beverly Hills?
So many details in the summer. It was a whole long monologue. It was when she was like, I don't want people to use it for like the, I don't want to talk about Tom's car was broken in. But then also Tom like did raise Erica's sign as if it was his son too. So I mean, it's sweet on that part, but sure. Very entertaining surrounding the sun.
Tom's house is broken into. He confronted the burglar and then had to go have eye surgery. And then my son had to go over and help. And then my son, he rolled his car five times on the way home. So yeah, I'm under a lot of stress. It's unclear when she was telling the story. It became different people and then there's different details. So yeah, I'm under a lot of stress. When she was like being cagey with being able to answer things and it was like a conversation with Kyle being like, how are you? And she's just like, yep, this is why I'm doing it. And so yeah, I'm saying I'm under a lot of stress. That's such an Aaron Brockovich line.
Is the best part of it. That's how you are to run feet and fucking ugly shoes. She could body that role. I did see a headline recently of Cal Richards new reason why she returned to Beverly Hills. Every single week there's a new headline. That's an amazing headline for new reason. I think there's our first reason.
Her first reason was that she like she wasn't that she had been on the show for so long. She was overwhelmed. She was overwhelmed. They became depressed. So she quit for a week, but then she returned because they're some of these housewives really cannot apologize. Like they are never wrong. Kyle's current reason is that it's because she's known production for so long and like she it's such a big part of her life that she just like.